GAME won't stock Ubisoft Vita launch games

By Wesley Yin-Poole Published 21 February, 2012

Lumines, Michael Jackson, Rayman: Origins, Asphalt Injection and Dungeon Hunter Alliance get the chop.

GAME has confirmed it will not stock Ubisoft's Vita launch games.

Lumines, Michael Jackson, Rayman Origins, Asphalt Injection and Dungeon Hunter Alliance will not be available to buy from GAME stores across the nation when Sony's PSP successor launches at midnight tonight.

"All customers affected by this decision have been made aware of the situation and we will continue to communicate any updates to customers through our Twitter and Facebook feeds," GAME said in a statement issued to VG247.

Vita launch titles from other publishers, including EA, Capcom and Sega, are safe, however, and will be sold in GAME stores.

News of the cancellation of Ubisoft's Vita launch titles only adds to the current troubles afflicting the specialist retailer.

Last week Eurogamer broke the news that GAME would not stock Nintendo 3DS game Tekken 3D Prime Edition.

GAME is currently working with publishers on a title-by-title basis following its loss of credit insurance with the banks last month.

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  • StolenGlory #1 3 months ago

    Oh, what the fuck is this now? I see the slide down the slippery slope continues.

    I wonder if this precludes them from taking those games as trade-ins though.

  • ifoundmysoul #2 3 months ago

    there has been sod all on twitter apart from that posted by people who have asked in store! game have said nothing....

  • Aretak #3 3 months ago

    Not looking good for GAME, either short or long term. Can't say I'll miss 'em.

  • Joco84 #4 3 months ago

    surely the ports and "casual" games are where GAME would look to make the most money. With AAA games, you would expect the buyer to be a bit more clued up and would look for the cheapest place (usually online).
    Cheaper games like most of the Ubisoft launch titles would appeal to younger kids and the mums who buy them, so GAME would probably profit more with them.

    Oh well, no wonder GAME are in trouble!

  • roz123 #5 3 months ago

    Same/similar thing seems to be happening with the Last Story on the Wii

  • onezeonx #6 3 months ago

    wow wtf!!

    so they decide to tell the customers this LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE LAUNCH?

    what a bunch of nobs!!!!

  • Cjail #7 3 months ago

    GAME you are beyond salvation!

  • udders #8 3 months ago

    Probably not stocking it as the vita is crap and the launch games are worse !!

  • Concrete #9 3 months ago

    Yeah, I wonder if we will still see them being sold on their shelves within a week for full price marked as pre-owned. Wouldn't supprise me at all.

  • Whitster #10 3 months ago

    Also when I popped in at lunch to check the bundles they asked what version I had ordered as apparently their 3Gs have been delayed until Thursday. Don't know if thats all stores or just Barking, but still not a good look.

  • elaniel #11 3 months ago

    Nice of them to let people know... a whole day early.

    First the delays with titles not coming in until late Friday to their stores (or even Saturday's), then no Tekken 3DS, now this.... Wow.

  • cw- #12 3 months ago

    @onezeonx perhaps they only found out recently (within a week) that they couldn't do a deal with Ubisoft to get these games..?

  • xMrBrown #13 3 months ago

    I don't want GAME to go down i think there quite good and i'd rather not almost 2000 staff (thats a guess) to lose there jobs

  • HenryFitz #14 3 months ago

    Ubisoft just put out shovelware for every console launch. Their games are no loss. This is a good day. A day when not so many fools will be parted from their money.

  • Colin8703 #15 3 months ago

    This has a lot of similarities to what happened to my local indie shop a couple of years back. He survives on S/H only now and DVD's and retro.

    I'm not sticking the boot in but it's not looking good for Game.

  • onezeonx #16 3 months ago

    "All customers affected by this decision have been made aware of the situation and we will continue to communicate any updates to customers through our Twitter and Facebook feeds,"

    piss off!!

    i have Lumines pre ordered there and not had a call/email saying i wont be getting it!
    thankfully i pre ordered it at hmv and was buying there in the end anyways.....but still!

  • Colin8703 #17 3 months ago

    @HenryFitz You have a point that's almost true apart from Rayman Origins deserves to sell as it's awesome.

  • Shadders #18 3 months ago

    So Game won't be stocking the two highest rated Vita titles

    Well played, Game. :\

  • onezeonx #19 3 months ago

    @udders funny how you keep posting in the vita stories when its so crap eh?

    go play your 360 and dance around the kinect like a retarded fish....

  • roz123 #20 3 months ago

    The sad thing about all these games getting cancelled is that they have had all of these on the shelf in preorder boxes for ages. As soon as it comes time of release they disappear. Half of my local game is probably empty preorder boxes.

    Surprised to see the Ubisoft games out of all those on the Vita getting dropped, Rayman 3D and Asphalt did quite well in the UK 3DS charts despite being dogshit games.
    Edited by roz123 at 21/02/12 @ 16:12

  • chaywa #21 3 months ago

    Good job I paid £6 each for Rayman and Lumines due to a pricing error at Amazon then!

  • onezeonx #22 3 months ago

    @cw- within a week....and they let people know today? lol
    i feel sorry for the people who wont see this notice and go to Game at midnight!

  • kirinnokoshin #23 3 months ago

    Surely the Vita is to be the very last of GAME's midnight console launches..

  • NotSoSlim #24 3 months ago

    @HenryFitz Lumines and Rayman makes your comment retarded

  • threemoh #25 3 months ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8ROhH3_vs#t=0m23

  • Whitster #26 3 months ago

    @kirinnokoshin At this rate I'm expecting people to turn up at 12 to see an out of business sign.

  • kirinnokoshin #27 3 months ago

    @Whitster

    Quite, maybe chance of a freebie? 'Rioters' take note :-)

    Edit: Irony
    Edited by kirinnokoshin at 21/02/12 @ 17:09

  • BBIAJ #28 3 months ago

    EG, are you sure it's midnight nationwide?

    According to my local GAME, it is only the Oxford Street store opening at midnight tonight.

  • itsfuzzy #29 3 months ago

    Loss of credit insurance is THE END for a business that buys any physical goods for resale. I mean would anybody here sell goods to a business on credit for 30 days if they had no insurance? Certain suppliers must be looking for cash on delivery for goods and this is the beginning of the end, soon all their suppliers will.
    Edited by itsfuzzy at 21/02/12 @ 16:23

  • FenderMaster #30 3 months ago

    @Aretak When they're gone, there won't really be any specialist games retailers left in the UK, will there?

    Do you think Tesco is going to stock Atlus latest niche RPG? That means no physical shops left will be around to sell Persona, Dark Souls and Catherine.


    Sure you and I will just buy them online, but theres plenty who won't

    The big question is:

    Will more new copies be sold without Game or Gamestop cannabilising first month sales with trade ins within days or weeks of launch? Or will more new copies be sold when people can walk down to their local shop and pick up aphysical copy on special offer?

    I guess we'll find out soon enough.

    Theres still HMV at least, and in Ireland we have Gamestop too, but still wouldn't wish one of the only specialist games retailers to go bust.
    Edited by FenderMaster at 21/02/12 @ 16:26

  • Whitster #31 3 months ago

    @BBIAJ Yeah the one near my workplace is only 8am tomorrow, apparently only a select few stores are doing midnight. Not that I would come to Barking post 10pm anyway, place is like frikkin Mos Eisley at that time.

  • CheesecakeBobby #32 3 months ago

    The only good thing about GAME is that they usually have the biggest selection of titles on the high street, so there is a good chance they will have what you are looking for. And yet now they can't even get new releases. Down, down, down they fall.

  • Shadders #33 3 months ago

    @itsfuzzy If I was a publisher I would agree to give GAME credit for stock, but say that they are no longer allowed to sell any of my games pre-owned.

  • mandeep100 #34 3 months ago

    Another nail in the coffin for game then.

  • StolenGlory #35 3 months ago

    @Chaywa

    I did the same, but they haven't shipped mine yet. Have yours been shipped?

  • Yuroko #36 3 months ago

    I went to Gamestation the other day and asked if I wanted to preorder Mass Effect 3. They said they are only ordering the pre ordered stuff, no extra stock.

    Suppose they are waiting for people to trade it in to stock their shelves.
    Edited by Yuroko at 21/02/12 @ 16:34

  • castertroy #37 3 months ago

    Game = dead

  • Machetazo #38 3 months ago

    I went in after Amalur, and left empty handed. "Order it online!" the woman tells me. They just do not have any stock. I just might do that, but it surely wouldn't be from Game.

  • Zaiz #39 3 months ago

    Vita is too risky in the western market. I wouldn't bet on it either if I was running out of money. Except they are still selling the damn thing, but without the games. o_____o So my explanation doesn't work out. wtf.

  • castertroy #40 3 months ago

    <quote>Whitster wrote:
    @BBIAJ Yeah the one near my workplace is only 8am tomorrow, apparently only a select few stores are doing midnight. Not that I would come to Barking post 10pm anyway, place is like frikkin Mos Eisley at that time.</quote>

    Got a phone call from barking game today saying that they won't get stock until 9am tomorrow

  • murphy1978 #41 3 months ago

    @CheesecakeBobby not in my local one, hardly any new games; or indeed games from the last couple of months. All pre-owned and rubbish selection there too as more poeple realise that eBay and CEX give you better returns...

  • Rogueywon #42 3 months ago

    I've no love for Ubisoft (thanks to their PC DRM policies), but I can't believe they'd take this step lightly. Even if the Vita launch turns out to be a damp squib, tomorrow is still going to be a huge day for game sales. Most people who go into a branch of Game to buy a Vita is going to be picking up a couple of games with it (though a few may be going the download only route). But no doubt a lot of those people hadn't pre-ordered those games and might have been planning on picking up... say... Lumines. And if Lumines isn't on the shelves, maybe they'll go to HMV later for it. Or maybe they'll get Wipeout instead.

    My point is that Ubisoft or whoever in their supply chain makes these decisions must surely know that they will be losing a substantial amount of revenue by failing to do a deal with Game. And their beancounters must have calculated that these certain losses are LESS significant than the risks associated with doing a deal.

    That's a scary thought.

  • marcsony #43 3 months ago

    Has anyone else heard about the 3gs being delayed till thursday or was it just the barking store cause if i get uo there tommorrow and mine aint there im gonna be very upset as ive not had any comunication from them at all

  • super_monty #44 3 months ago

    News of the cancellation of Ubisoft's Vita launch titles only adds to the current troubles afflicting the specialist retailer.

    I think we can remove the word specialist from now on.

  • paulboreham #45 3 months ago

    Just been into store and this is 100% correct. They said they *may* get them in soon, but had no idea.

    More worryingly, they said that (store wide) the 3Gs havent turned up today as expected. They have paid for priority shipping for tomorrow and are hoping they arrive before 8am for special store openings, but if you have pre-ordered a 3G, then check with your store asap I suggest...

  • Machetazo #46 3 months ago

    @marcsony ring the shop, which I see the poster below you did.
    Edited by Machetazo at 21/02/12 @ 16:40

  • Incarta #47 3 months ago

    Who suffers most from this? GAME or Ubisoft? Because after Tekken 3Ds performance, I feel for Ubisoft.

    If what happened to Tekken becomes the rule rather then the exception for what happens to games that don't get stocked on the highstreet, this could get really bad and not just for GAME, but all publishers.

    It'll largely be GAMEs fault, but it wont be them that just suffers. It's everyone.

    OR, the games will do ok and GAME will die. And the Tekken exception will be down to shitty marketing.

  • smilernick #48 3 months ago

    Ah yes...GAME. The only place that offers pubes in the case with all it's pre owned games!

  • Chuxfm #49 3 months ago

    I'm still getting over the closure of electronics boutique and chips :'(

    Popping into GAME isnt a good experience anymore. Feels like a grim reminder of how the recession is affecting the industry. Though itll be a shame to see it go.

    But still.... they'll stock coronation street quest for the missing hot pot recipe. but they won't stock tekken 3D?

  • TonyHarrison #50 3 months ago

    Game are running out of publishers that they have a good relationship with then...

  • threemoh #51 3 months ago

    @CheesecakeBobby That is true. My local Tesco only stocks ten unique titles, while my local GAME stocks eleven.

  • danbezer #52 3 months ago

    I just phoned GAME cus i needed to confirm my giftcard, apparently they know nothing about this and as far as they're (Or she) is aware, they are stocking them ...guess we'll find out soon enough

  • MojoDex #53 3 months ago

    @chaywa

    I was nothing short of amazed when they posted my games at that price today!

  • BBIAJ #54 3 months ago

    @Chuxfm GAME is Electronics Boutique, I should know, I worked for them just before the switcheroo, and they were just as shit then as they are now, the way staff were treated, and the condition of staff areas was absolutely appalling.

  • FireMonkey #55 3 months ago

    @FenderMaster - "When they're gone, there won't really be any specialist games retailers left in the UK, will there?"

    If there is a market then there will be a store.

    There are quite a few Indies still and I wouldn't be suppressed if more pop up in the wake of Game.

    This is probably really good news for the Indies as it will likely bring them more money and they would already have had to have a pretty effective businesses model to have survived up to now.

  • iManiac #56 3 months ago

    I was livid today to find out that they are only doing Midnight launches in Oxford Street. I'm still getting mine tomorrow morning because of the deposit but after this GAME can go to hell for all I'm concerned.

  • dancingrob #57 3 months ago

    @FireMonkey

    problem with that theory is not many banks are going to be lending the necessary money to start off a new indie, particular as games retail (like music retail) is something that has migrated largely online anyway.

  • onezeonx #58 3 months ago

    @Zaiz your whole post doesn't work out so I wouldn't worry...

  • RawShark #59 3 months ago

    They've only got themselves to blame really. For example with the Vita launch, comparing deals between stores shows that GAME had some of the worst oprices on the high street or anywhere else. They're not giving the average person a reason to go there over somewhere like HMV, or even worse, pick up games with their weekly shop. You can say it's a shame that a specialist games store is going to disappear, but at present it's not like they're going to be very specialist if they only stock games that they're confident will sell.

  • TheOnlyPaulV #60 3 months ago

    i got my deposit at game station (wigan) refunded as soon as i heard about the amazon deal. their policy is a refund on un opened goods, seeing as they will knock the deposit off the console, then ill return it, straight away. at that point they agreed as, i think, they dont want dead stock and as the most expensive place on the highstreet to buy a vita, i dont think they will sell many. i know they wanted a 2 quid deposit for wipeout, so if you paid 2 quid deposit for rayman, would you get that back? so much for 'guaranteed for launch, no refunds of deposits' (unless we mess up!)

  • marmaduke #61 3 months ago

    Why all the triumphalism about the end of Game?

  • marcsony #62 3 months ago

    Yeah so tried to ring stoid on hokd for 20 mins no joy we will see i guess

  • eviroboy #63 3 months ago

    @chaywa Haha yes, and both have been despatched today :)

  • INSOMANiAC #64 3 months ago

    For all we know, GAME might have actually decided to get wise and had the nous to realise it doesnt want to pay up front for thousands of copies of Asphalt and the free ios game Dungeon Hunter when no fucker is going to buy them. Both those games (along with possibly Lumines) will be going for a tenner in a months time, a business tha tis struggling may not want to pay 24 quid each for them, only for them to rot.

    Smart move by GAME if you ask me.

    How many of you were planning on picking up Asphalt and Dungeon hunter tomorrow? I know I wont be. I'd be getting Lumines if it was £14.99 (which it soon will be) and I already have an identical version of Rayman which I paid £14.99 for on Xbox

  • G-copter #65 3 months ago

    As far as I'm aware, GAME are only not stocking these titles around launch. I work in a branch and we had a message down confirming no Lumines, Rayman or Dungeon Hunter to be stocked at launch.

    The implication wasn't as far as "We won't be stocking these titles at all" but seemed to suggest "We won't be stocking these titles at launch, but we don't know when we will".

    And 16gb memory cards are limited stock, too; we can't even cover all our pre-orders for them with the stock we have. =/

    Also, the bundles for in store are not amazing either; literally all the competitors are far better, which is a shame as things like their 360 bundles often rival or beat online prices.

    I fear GAME will come undone with this hardware launch.

  • FenderMaster #66 3 months ago

    @marmaduke i guess people think no specialist games retailers is better than a bad one

  • INSOMANiAC #67 3 months ago

    @G-copter What ARE the bundles on offer?

  • G-copter #68 3 months ago

    @INSOMANiAC

    Solus - £229.99

    PS Vita & FIFA Football - £249.99

    PS Vita & FIFA Football & Uncharted - £289.99

    PS Vita, 8gb Memory Card, Uncharted, £10 PSN voucher - £299.99

    (These are the wi-fi prices, add £50 if you wanted a 3G)

  • toa_boa #69 3 months ago

    @udders

    RROOFFFL - even gave you a "+" for the giggles ... nice try :-D

  • DurzoBlint #70 3 months ago

    People should get in and grab the sweet stock clearance deals before they ultimately collapse. That shit is inevitable.

  • onezeonx #71 3 months ago

    @G-copter PS Vita & FIFA Football - £249.99

    yet HMV do this for £229.99.....bye GAME....

  • INSOMANiAC #72 3 months ago

    @G-copter Thanks, yep, this with this sort of competitive pricing, could very well be the end

  • paulboreham #73 3 months ago

    @G-copter Any news on the branches not receiving 3Gs and when/if they are likely to stock them tomorrow please?

  • Rogueywon #74 3 months ago

    @paulboreham I've just had a call from the small branch in London Victoria. The 3g Vita will be in stock tomorrow "9AM or soon after". That's a bit irritating as I'd planned to pick it up on the way into work, but if I plan my day properly, I should be able to pop in at lunch time.

    Given I'll be on a tight timescale, I just hope to god they don't replicate the situation from the 3DS launch, when they were grinding the queue down to a crawl by going through the same script trying to sell warranty and promote their trade-in services to every single customer picking up a 3DS. Even those who, like me, said right at the start that they'd rather just hand over their money and get on their way.

  • Whitster #75 3 months ago

    @castertroy Shit, when was that, they told me 8am when I went in there yesterday!

  • governmentyard #76 3 months ago

    Just before these disappear up their own arses, could someone, somewhere please buy Gamestation off them for a quid?

  • simsini #77 3 months ago

    Game needs to go to Switzerland with a friend.

  • jonsaan #78 3 months ago

    Both Game and gamestation still have Tekken 3D boxes with coming soon all over the shop.

  • alexbulluk #79 3 months ago

    Not a good sign for the future...

    I do think it's poor that they waited until the day before launch to mention this though. That's just stupid.

  • gorf #80 3 months ago

    mmm starving yorselves to success never works. Looks like Game have engaged death throw mode
    Edited by gorf at 21/02/12 @ 20:14

  • hulkamania78 #81 3 months ago

    Got my Vita ordered from Grainger Games in Manchester but my memory card from the Trafford centre Game. just rang them after all I have read on here they haven't any stock of the 16gb even though I pre orderd.

    I have a card with 15 on so thought I would get the card from there . how wrong I was. They expect a delivery tomorrow at 7 I bet it doesn't turn up the fuckers.

  • SheffAl #82 3 months ago

    bye bye Game - you suck

  • aldo_14 #83 3 months ago

    @FenderMaster Will more new copies be sold without Game or Gamestop cannabilising first month sales with trade ins within days or weeks of launch? Or will more new copies be sold when people can walk down to their local shop and pick up aphysical copy on special offer?

    That situation pretty much already exists for the PC.

  • penhalion #84 3 months ago

    I think this is just strategy. They are simply no longer taking all games and only stocking those that they know or have a very strong idea will actually sell.

    Rayman was down to 20 quid on 360 and PS3 at game so there's no point stocking the vita version. Asphalt was cack according to every review of it, as was Michael Jackson so why stock them?

    Lastly Dungeon Alliance was called a poor mans diablo clone so it's a no brainer that that wouldn't be flying off shelves.

    The pre-orders for games probably fell largely with the ones game is stocking and then simply eliminated the few that had little to no pre-orders.
    Edited by penhalion at 21/02/12 @ 21:24

  • polaris70 #85 3 months ago

    @penhalion
    I don't think this has anything to do with how good a game is or how it might sell. It does sound like Game have a serious credit problem and Ubi won't give them that credit and possibly Sony have scaled it back?

  • coolbritannia #86 3 months ago

    Won't, or can't?

  • RGeefe #87 3 months ago

    @FenderMaster what's the point in having a "specialist retailer" if it doesn't actually cater to the specialist crowd?

    it's like going into a Rough Trade or Fopp only to find that it's stacked with Lady Gaga and Rihanna for £12 each.

  • FortysixterUK #88 3 months ago

    Game over.

    Oh god...I am SO sorry...so so sorry......the devil made me do it...**sob**

  • BonzoBanana #89 3 months ago

    It makes depressing reading about Game's woes. If they collapse, not only will the high street be even more dead and unemployment up but gaming as a mainstream pastime will reduce. I keep reading about supermarkets taking over but in most supermarkets I've looked at the selection and prices are terrible except for the very occasional promotion. The best price for games is online but you have to want the game in the first place to go online. The whole point of shops is to make gaming appealling and grab people's interest as they wander around the high street.

    What amazes me is the people that somehow think its ok to wish Game go under. The venom towards the company just because they find their prices high or they didn't give them a good trade in price. I don't want Game to go under because this country is in a major recession with 16,000 of government debt for every single person in the country. We have lived beyond our means for too long, giving out generous benefits to people who expect to live a good life at other people's expense or public sector workers who demand incredibly generous pension schemes which people working in the private sector can not get. I personally can't seem to find any hate for Game staff and I'm still hoping the company can be turned around.

  • Lateralus2001 #90 3 months ago

    @BonzoBanana

    I really dislike GAME as a company, I think some of their behaviour over recemt years (such as pushing preowned copies at the expense of new copies at the checkout) is not good for the industry as a whole but clearly things will be worse if GAME goes bust. As you say we need a specialist retailer on the highstreet for visibilty more than anything else.

    GAME is a horrible compmany but I don't believe anybody blames the staff (who just do as they are told to pay the bills) or hates the company so much they want it to go bust and will so no sympathy for GAME employees potentially out of a job as you might be implying in your second paragraph. You can't seem to 'find any hate for GAME staff' but then you critise public sector workers many who have have lost their jobs recently (and 700,000 more will by 2015).

    Public sector pensions aren't as generous as you seem to believe; you do realise that the government actually makes a surplus on public sector pensions each year? (More paid in than they pay out) and that generally public sector wages are lower across the board than private sector wages (a better pension is supposed to make up for this) and the employment secretary even admitted the government have the cash in the pension pot to pay the current average public sector pension rate until 2022 even if everyone stopped paying in now until 2022.

    Because private sector companies like GAME often treat staff explotively doesn't mean everyone should wish to be treated this way. Sounds like you have been reading the Daily Mail. BTW I work in the private sector not public, but my better half does and wasn't ammused by your comments :)



    Longterm if GAME is to survive it really needs to adapt, it needs to concentrate on its online business more regarding actual game sales and perhaps its highstreet stores could become like phone shops selling subsrciptions to cloud gaming services PSN/XBox live and hardware etc.

  • BonzoBanana #91 3 months ago

    Actually public sector pensions are very generous;

    http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16021556

    Then factor in only 12% of people employed privately compared to 87% of public sector workers have pensions.

    Then factor in many of the excessive pensions in the public sector are for people who have yet to reach retirement anyway.

    The public sector is a huge burden on this country. Wages and pension provisions should be level pegged with the private sector and if that was to happen the wages would probably drop by a third overall and pensions would drop by three quarters.

    The reason that public sector workers are being made redundant is because the only way to get rid of them and employ people at reasonable wage rates is to put out work to tender, i.e. commercial companies. Often the existing workers will do a better job but they are protected by militant unions and so we are forced to outsource work.

    Why should public sector workers be immune to the real world that the rest of us live in?

    Many countries actually have public sector workers wages and pensions provisions below that available in private companies. It helps migrate the more gifted workers into the private sector where its more important to have the best people.

  • greentango #92 3 months ago

    Good move in my opinion, about time retailers stop stocking shovelware.

  • Lateralus2001 #93 3 months ago

    @BonzoBanana

    Sorry for taking so long to reply. Things are not as black an white as you suggest. You are correct to say that public sector wages are higher across the board than in the private sector but without the full detail these statistics can be distorted giving the impression a huge inequality exists when it doesn't.

    The public/private sector wages were equal as recent as 2002 and do you know why the inequality now exists? Because the public sector now out-sources most of the lowest paid jobs such as cleaning to the private sector increasing the average wages from before.

    30% of public sector workers are degree educated; a higher figure than in the private sector. In other words there are more roles in the public sector that require good education skills/work skills - hence higher wages

    The public sector benefits the private sector. It uses private companies for stationary cleaning and various other areas therefore putting money into the economy and helping private business grow.

    Don't you realise that these proposed changes to the public sector pensions will also affect many private sector pensions? Some private companies use the same standard as the public sector so there pensions will be hit. This was even mentioned on the Sky News tv coverage the very website you referenced.

    If public sector pensions are lowered in line with the private sector it will make no difference. The pensions are affordable. There is alot of information about this online if you search. Even the employment secetary admmitted this. Just because the majority of private sector workers are exploited by the fatcats in their boardroom's across the land doesn't make public sector workers in the wrong. The private sector should have trade unions and campaign for better pay.


    The key issue here is most public sector workers don't have it that good it is that private sector ones who are being mistreated. You claim 12% of privately employed people have pensions. Well they should, that is the point! And BTW when they retire who pays their pension? Oh yes, the government by the state pension. The state pension also tops up peoples pension money who's private company doesn't pay out enough for them to live once retired. If more pivate companies gave people a pension the goverment wouldn't have pay to give them one despite many of these people never having worked in the public sector all there lives.

    When the rest of the public sector workers are layed off where is everyone going to work? There are very few jobs at the moment. The amount of unemployed will rise again hence the government will be paying more money out in benefits.

    Perhaps you want a society were we are all forced to work 50 hour weeks for free and we get flogged for taking a 5 min break during working hours. It looks like it.

    One final point. I quote you "Many countries actually have public sector workers wages and pensions provisions below that available in private companies. It helps migrate the more gifted workers into the private sector where its more important to have the best people."

    What? So you would want the doctor who could potentially save your live to be less intelligent those in the McDonalds boardroom whoose only goal is to line their pockets with your cash as they send you too an earlier grave with there high calorie fatty foods, I can't relate to your point of view.