Home has been hacked - report
Could be used to spread viruses.
The Telegraph is reporting that Sony's PS3 virtual world, Home, has already been hacked.
"Developers" have apparently found a "security loophole" that allows them to upload any file to, or even delete files from, the Home server. This makes it theoretically possible for hackers to spread viruses through the social software, or try to force it offline.
Other hacks are said to allow users to download files from the Home servers (such as another player's avatar), change the text and music, or use the in-game screens to watch their own video files. Apparently this is possible using the Apache web server and DNS redirection, which might mean something to some of you.
Home went into open beta, granting access to all PS3 users, last week. You can read our impressions and more at the Home personal space, sorry, gamepage.
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(Even though it was full of cocks before it was hacked)
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Indeed... this is a good thing.
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Well my PS3 is safe anyway, Home is gone forever
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The article fails to mention that the file would still have to go through some kind of Sony security configuration (most likely some heavy firewall/scanning software/hardware).
It also tries to suggest that everyone is at risk from viruses/these files, but thats impossible. Worst thing that could happen is Home goes offline.
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Fixed.
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People still hating on Home? Is that still cool?
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http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=jlbC77GS0Ak
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Some clever guys have been able to use a DNS-redirect trick to use their own files in their own Home session. But no files on Sony's servers have been deleted or changed. And the changed files have only been displayed/used on the "hackers" own PS3.
And no... this can NOT be used to spread viruses either. Eurogamer is waaay of target here. Tabloid gaming journalism!
Read the real story here (be sure to check the links in the bottom of the article) :
http://ww w.engadget.com/2008/12/14/plays...
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LOL if it was an "ET" Sony would make a virtual new mexico landfill site for £4.99 so we could stick all the virtual designer gear in it
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So in other words, it only impacts him, it doesn't change anything on the sony servers or has any effect on other users.
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You'd expect this kind of story to make the newspapers but you would think EG would do a bit of research, or even apply a bit of common sense, when posting these articles.
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So true!
(And this speaking from a guy who really likes the machine.)
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I am sure you could force some kind of buffer overflow with custom media/files downloaded from Home (if that could be done). Anyway... that has not been done or discovered, but rarely are machines 100% bug free against buffer overflows. Also yeah, like a lot of people have said, the hack is not really that bad. More like a mod IMHO
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The DNS redirect is a purely local change that only affects you, so in no way is it a "hack".
The exploitation of scripts on the Sony Home servers that let you upload, download and delete files is a significant security vulnerability, if it works as described.
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Which it doesn't.
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It's written by Beano so we should not be surprised.
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Home, that is.
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Good initial post. I was too annoyed at the Telegraph's poor level of investigative journalism to write anything more useful than "teh are suxor!!".
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the Internet media IS gunning for Sony... bring back magazines... oh wait... didn't Edge just award 360 best hardware award.
:-D
crazy world we live in.
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@beano
Ahh... so they replaced some of their own files? OMGH4X! OH NOES I R GOT HAXEWD!
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Went to the Engadget link - StreetSkaterFU's blog is "closed for maintenance", so we can't actually see what he claims to be able to do. PS3hax is blocked at work, but that Engadget story makes it clear that that second link was from a guy who used StreetSkaterFU's methods to only change his localised content
According to the limited information available from Engadget, StreetSkaterFU claims to be able to change, upload and delete content on Home's servers. But like I said, we can't actually verify what his methods were, as his blog is down.
So I guess I'm asking where "Some clever guys have been able to use a DNS-redirect trick to use their own files in their own Home session. But no files on Sony's servers have been deleted or changed. And the changed files have only been displayed/used on the "hackers" own PS3" came from, because the second guy? Absolutely - what you said is perfectly true. StreetSkaterFU? He's claiming that he can do those things.
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One hack uses a combination of the Apache web server and DNS re-direction to allow users of PlayStation Home to watch their own movies on display screens within the game, and change text and music to whatever they choose.
So what? This is completely harmless.
A second hack enables players to download any file they want from PlayStation Home's servers, such as a fellow user's profile or avatar, the cartoon-like representation of themselves they create to appear in the virtual world.
Unless Sony were stupid enough to run the server software as root/admin, I highly doubt this is possible. But it makes no real sense, as the profile and avatars are unlikely to be 'files' anyway, more likely stored as objects in a database. Your local PS3 profile information is not stored in Home, so that's safe... which leaves your avatar? Big deal, surely you could just copy it by looking at it and replicating it for yourself manually?
But the most worrying vulnerability found in the Home software is the security loophole that allows tech-savvy users to upload any file to the Home server, or delete any file from the Home server. It raises the spectre of malicious hackers spreading viruses and malware across the PlayStation Home platform, or even launching sustained attacks on the virtual world's servers to force it offline.
'Tech savvy users' eh? Curse those pesky brainiacs! Again, this sounds like utter bollocks. Are users logged in to Home given root/admin access to the servers? Do they have the ability to execute files? I doubt it.
I'm not sure where the 'journalist' who wrote this article got his 'facts' from, but I'm waiting for the version written by someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
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Tech savvy my arse, there is no way whats described here is possible, cept the changing vids/pics for your local network/ps3. Which, by the way, big fckin deal.
1/10
PS: DNS redirect is where you setup your local DNS (domain name service, the thingy that converts the domains you type ([link url=http://www.pornhub.com)]http://www.pornhub.com)[/ link] into ip addresses, which is what the interwebs use) to have an entry for the domains sony use for home. Those entries you put in go to your server instead, and you put some movies/pics. For you, nothing to worry about.
For someone to upload something onto Sonys home servers, they would need to get through (most likely) some kind of multi tiered firewall solution, work out which boxes inside are accessing the data, it could even by on some other file storage device (a NAS somewhere, serving via HTTP, who knows). This would require intimate knowledge of their network. Not likely. Even if they where 1337 haxor d00ds, they'd still need a shitload of info they wouldn't easily have (ips, passwords, account names, database sids, etc etc).
So in summary, ignore this retarded article and rightfully question the sanity of the 'tard who posted this news article.
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GPS analogy alert!:
It's like you're trusting your GPS to go to London and arrive in Newcastle (sorry, that may sound silly, but I don't know where the hell is Newcastle, so... it might work).
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I'm confused now.
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I believe all Xbox live traffic is encrypted.
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EG SLOWLY TURNING INTO THE NEWS OF THE WORLD.
SCAREMONGER TACTICS SNIFFED OUT BY GEEKS
FULL STORY AT 4AM, AFTER YOUR RAID.
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Buffer overflow? That should be a typical DNoS (denial of service), and that's way, way shady..., not even cool.
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Home will eventually be a very cool thing - but it has a long way to go. Still in Beta don't forget...
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PS3lol.
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my score for this fantastic article is: 1/10
I think that's the second 1/10 score. so we already agree that it's shit.
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Do you not read other people's comments then...
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"Am I the only one who can't understand half of the comments here? What the FUCK is a 'DNS redirect-trick buffer overflow virus mod' and should I be scared of it?"
Push Circle, Triangle, Up, Circle, Triangle, Down, Circle, Triangle, Up, Circle, Triangle, Start.
Yes, you should be terrified and writing letters to tabloids telling them about your ill-defined fears! That's how tabloids work!
Of course you could just post it here on The Daily Outrage/Eurogamer. *cough*
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Because i don't know what the fuck they are talking about either.
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I could potentially spread a virus but is anybody worried*.
*Besides my wife or the prostitutes i frequent.
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Oh and to make pompous people add me to their ignore list.
"Ho-Ho-Home"
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This is how I'd imagine they'd work (and why you don't need administrators’ privileges). It is not unreasonable to expect that your PS3 sends and modifies files on Sony's servers as things like avatar and apartment information needs to be stored (it doesn't make much difference if it's a true file or an object or a hash in a database). We can assume your PS3 has write/modify privileges to do this. Those stored files need to be accessed by other people on Home so they no what your avatar/apartment looks like etc. presumably this means your PS3 has read privileges for other peoples files then. What this hacker has done is discover a way of intercepting, and understanding the processes involved in this (as proved by the DNS rerouting) and so can download other people’s avatar information and manually modify his own. This by itself is not necessarily cause for alarm as just replacing his avatar with a virus is a bit like trying to open a Word document with Excel (or trying to install OSX on a PS3 for a non MS example) it just won’t work. If however (and there is no evidence that this is the case… yet) there is a way to trick the PS3 to run some sort of executable code from these files (which could be possible after all Macs were tricked into running executable code form JPGs not too long ago or might already have the option for it built in (like macros in a Word document or Java in a webpage)) and Sony have serious problems.
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What you're talking about there is a possible buffer overflow (or underflow) vunerability - exploiting that successfully would expose a user who downloaded the avatar data (by seeing the person in Home perhaps, so not *that* likely
It's lucky Sony spent a lot of effort getting the security right, rather than handing over coding to the idiots who wrote "The Getaway" then rushing this thing out half-finished to hit some arbitrary marketing-point-scoring "ship date", right? Otherwise they'd be exposing their loyal PS3 userbase to all kinds of scary shit. Phew!
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"I call bullshit spread by rival company."
I agree, the logical initial step is to blame those dastardly fiends in [Rival company] who obviously must be responsible because they're not liked. [Rival company] also caused the global recession in a flimsily disguised attempt to slow PS3 sales!
Straight to Conspiracy, awesome.
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I call than comment a tin-foil hat bullshit. I mean, evilfox, do you really believe what you just said? What's the next step, Home is not so good because [Rival Company] put a curse on it ?
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The article linked in the Engadget story is "down for maintenance", but you can read the google cache still. Basically, he's claiming that because Sony aren't encrypting the connection to Home, you can modify packets to the Home servers, allowing you to upload/download any file by changing URLs and POST data in requests from the PS3 client.
I don't know if he's right or not, but it's pretty serious if so. It's not the kind of hack your average PS3 owner can do, of course.
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"miiiguel, sneetch. I know people that you don't
Yes, you do. Indeed I suspect that there's no overlap between the people I know and those you know. I find that fact very, very reassuring right now.
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Also, if someone could get arbitary code to execute on the PS3 (which is what a virus would need to do), the FIRST thing they would do is dump the system firmware to a PC and start to decode it. Then, pretty soon, begins the unstoppable wave of PS3 games piracy.
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.. That said.. A games website exists by criticising peoples hard work (i.e. reviewing games).. So therefor why not have people criticise their (as in the reviewers) work?
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17-Dec-08 20:05:45
@vorlon-man: +1 - EG deff appear to be anti Sony/PS3. Not that I care too much.
I own a PS3 and am happy with it. Buying an MS console has about as much chance of happening, as me buying an EA game.
Never gonna happen.
Why?
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Then again, not as bad as actually being in HOME.
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"EG deff appear to be anti Sony/PS3. Not that I care too much.
I own a PS3 and am happy with it. Buying an MS console has about as much chance of happening, as me buying an EA game.
Never gonna happen."
Welcome to Irony County. Population you.
/was gonna add you obviously spend weekends in "Whinersville" along with vorlon-man, but couldn't make it snappy enough int he 4 seconds I thought about it.
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of air fitting that you could want. Wholesale prices too. I guess these could be used as small water pipe fitting also. I
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http://me gagames.com/news/html/console/c...
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Everything in Home is encrypted. The only thing that may not be are the Java applets on the arcade machines in the bowling alley. Replace one of those and there's a chance you could do some damage (highly unlikely though, as Home should be sandboxed from the rest of the PS3, and the applets won't have sufficient permission to run...)
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There seems to be a concerted effort by the (highly paid) press to talk up the death of the PS3. I'm guessing that MS are worried about PS3's potential in 2009.... And no - that's not tin-foil-hat wearing nonesense, it's common sense. I know a lot of people with both consoles and they are all bemused by the "360 is better than the PS3" garbage that the gaming media are constantly spouting. There is a biased - without a doubt.
In fact, a number of people I know with both have actually hacked the 360 (because you can) and use it as a free demo system to decide which games to buy on the PS3.... go figure.
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Because if they wrote "it's unfinished and rushed out" it wouldn't quite have the same ring to it, would it?
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About ppl paying to talk shit about the PS3.. SPECIALLY CNNmoney i'd think about it twice before I'd say something like that. I do agree it happens in most cases like stupid online websites cause they make their money that way but not CCNmoney. EG etc i don't care eitherway. I have an opinion of my own eitherway about mostly everything.
I actually have a modded ( as u mentioned it "hacked" ) 360. I download everything and buy the good ones since i wouldn't spend so much for SO many games. Though this past couple of months too many good games = too many had to be paied for them :/
But why test on the 360 and buy on PS3 and not on 360? lol makes no sence when the 360 has best performance in most games overall ( no matter the best hardware arguements its a fact that 360 version of mostly all games perform better ), best support both as updates, DLC and online behavior/suport..
So most of the ppl i know have a hacked and a pure 360 from the ones that do it. None has a 360 to test and buy on PS3. It is kinda dumb imo.