Uncharted used less than half PS3's power
Naughty Dog sees "great potential".
Naughty Dog used barely half of the PS3's power to run Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, one of the best-looking games on the console.
So says designer Richard Lemarchand, who says tools such as Edge - developed by senior first-party Sony programmers including some from Naughty Dog - are now in place and ready to begin harnessing the full power of the Cell processor.
Remember, the Cell processor is made up of eight Synergistic Processor Units, six of which can be used to do things at any one time.
"These guys are really old-school programmers: guys who are always looking to shave another cycle off an operation. And part of the skill of developing for the PlayStation 3 is getting the GPU to farm jobs out to the six SPUs - seeing which SPUs are idling and can take up some of the slack in a frame-to-frame kind of way," Lemarchand told ThreeSpeech.
"That's why we think we're probably only using 30 or 40 per cent of the power of the PS3 right now, and there's this great, untapped potential.
"All third-party developers can get the Edge libraries for free and are going to be able to use them in their own ways, to get more and more and more out of the PS3 over the years," he said.
Lemarchand went talked of the sense of sharing between first-party studios, trading "war stories" with Evolution (MotorStorm), Insomniac (Resistance), and Sucker Punch (InFamous).
More encouraging is the close bond Naughty Dog shares with Sony Santa Monica, which is developing God of War 3. Apparently the two studios meet reguarly to discuss development tactics over lunch.
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune recently became the first Blu-ray title to offer Trophy support.
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As the world waits with baited breath for the PS3 to be true 'next gen' because at the moment only 2 games have tapped that potential being MGS4 and Drakes.
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'celllol'
'4dlol'
'bluraylol'
lets move on please
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Anyway, judiging by the screenshots, the game doesn't look all that impressive to me to be honest.
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Everyone sees untapped potential, it isn't something to brag about.
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After Launch of game : We barely scratched the surface.
Yes we know that's the case... do we have to hear it every single time ? Shut up and let the game do the talking.
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my xbox upscales (by the minimum) to 1080p...my ps3 runs at 720p max
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Didnt you post that hilarious line in another thread?
Nobody laughed at it then either.
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It wasn't a good thing.
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I hope they never tap 100%!
My PC achieves 100% all the time and all it does is stop me being able to do anything!
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My PC achieves 100% all the time and all it does is stop me being able to do anything!
Lol - exploiting 100% potential of a machine isn't quite the same as hogging 100% of the CPU 100% of the time - any muppet can do that
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PS3 - Teh Cell
PS2 - Emotion Engine
What smoke and mirrors did Sony use to hype PS1? Or did everyone just get on with making great games in those days instead of talking about potential for years.
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Nothing.. The PS1 was actually a great and well designed machine. They didn't need to invent PR lines.
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In those days PlayStation as a brand wasn't enough on its own to sell units, it actually had to be worth buying. The PS1 was a genuinely great machine, and it was only through that that they came to be in a position where their complacency didn't matter.
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Maybe 2%.
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Yesterday Rare (MS 1st party) talking up the 360.
Just the way it is.
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It's not the display, it's certain games. If you've played MotoGP 06 on 360 and not noticed it, then I won't tell you what it is as once you know then it will annoy you for all eternity. On this matter, ignorance is bliss.
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I thought they didn't need to hype "potential" with PS1 just wanted to check!
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I've played other titles where people seem to complain about screen tearing, but not that one. Either I'm going blind (too much time on SSHD will do that to you) or it might not be such an issue for someone who grew up with colour attribute clash on the ZX Spectrum!
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Thankfully the better developers strive to keep it to an absolute minimum so monstrosities like Saints Row (pre-patch), Heavenly Sword and Splinter Cell: Double Agent which tore all the freakin' time should become a thing of the past (the recent Alone in the Dark being a sorry exception). Uncharted has some nasty screen tearing from time to time but I found it bearable if not forgiveable, mainly because the game itself is otherwise excellent. I've no doubt that the sequel will be much improved in this area now that developers are becoming more familiar with the PS3's hardware. That said, I much prefer Insomniac's attitude to coding games as they admitted in a recent EG interview that they're technical perfections so tearing not likely to ever be a problem in any of their games. In fact, I still think that Ratchet & Clank ToD is one of the most polished and visually pleasing games on any current gen console so hopes are high for Resistance 2 and R&C Quest for Booty.
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Also optimising the game engine can reduce the problem too... look at the differences between MotoGP 06 and MotoGP 07 for example, the latter of which is 100% tear free. Also the recent UT III on the 360 uses a later build of the UE3 than Gears of War and shows much less screen tearing.
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Sure enough, it's the same guy. According to his web-site http://www.mical.org/ , he's doing "top secret stuff for Sony"
This guy eats, sleeps & drinks assembler and has been doing multi-threaded OS development for years.
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I guess that's why PS3 fanboys are so adamant they've backed the right horse - the long game. What a joke.
360 owners have had years of superior looking titles and the best response sony developers can come up with is.... "it's coming"
lol
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The truth is that console technolgy is static for the best part of five years so obviously PC tech is going to surpass them sooner rather than later. Back in early 2005, a console like the Xbox 360 with 512 MB of memory and a forward-thinking ATI GPU was better than most PCs of that time but as we now know the majority of games have issues running at 1280x720 nevermind 1920x1080. Most PCs have been able to run games at 1280x1024 (higher resolution than 720p) for the best part of a decade! LOL
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But what games can you play on it?? 360 ports (that don't run as well) and piss poor adventure games.
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Uncharted 2? Bring it on...
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I blame MS for putting out the 360 in a hurry to gain market share away from Sony (which didn't work), in turn it forced Nintendo and Sony to get there systems out as quickly as they could.
+1
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damn them
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ps However, allow me one strong opinion: you can stick the PC as a viable alternative to console gaming. Geforce 8800 yawnathon whatevernogames.
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I do agree that the PC probably isn't an alternative to consoles. I dont agree with 'whatevernogames', you're just showing your ignorance there really.
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The PS2 was also a dog to work with. It didn't stop Sony making the same (mistakes?) with the PS3. But we should add, it didn't stop developers eventually exploiting the PS2.
As for the PC stuff, sorry I can't go there with you. A console vs PC match on graphical specs alone is not a fair one. You have to the full package, the price, the games, the peripherals, the online service etc, the ease of use etc. To say console manufacturers have mugged all us console owners off is a little inflamatory. I'm very happy with my consoles, thank you very much. In the meantime my other half has just binned the £2k+ 3 year old PC for a new one because it was getting tired and was no longer meeting spec.
Perhaps horses for courses?
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This generation is creating the largest profit out of any generation prior to it, month by month sales are up. It appears that innovation is pushing sales across all major formats (PS3/Wii/360). All of which are selling like hotcakes (software and hardware).
The PC, however, makes up only a very small fraction of the sales in the games industry today. As with your hairstyle; the PC is firmly stuck in the 90s.
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Binned a 2k PC? Are you exagerating, if you're not you had your pants pulled down?
A 2k PC 3 years ago would probably have a 7800gt and p4 prescott? Would easily run Crysis well.
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Thanks for that insight. Perhaps you can use this talent and post this weekends lottery numbers for us all too?
@zero
Are you baiting for a AAA console exclusive list of games vs AAA PC exclusive are you?
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Actually it did. Both Microsoft and Nintendo have a significantly better share of the market this gen than they had last gen.
"in turn it forced Nintendo and Sony to get there systems out as quickly as they could."
That's just not true my friend.
Sony and Nintendo had their own plans for their consoles, plans which had nothing to do with MS. Someone had to be first, and in this case it was MS, but both Sony and Nintendo launched when THEY were ready, neither were forced to launch their console before it's time.
Zero_cool also wrote: "As for the PS3's power, IMO it's not any better than the 360. The two are that tied together it's difficult to differentiate between them....On the other hand, the PS3 is just a cunt to work with. It's funny because when the PSone was released, developers were praising the system for it's easy to develop for."
On that, I do agree.
Although we can't guarantee that Sony will learn from their mistakes with the PS3 for the PS4 (as peterfil pointed out in his reply already).
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The PC, however, makes up only a very small fraction of the sales in the games industry today. As with your hairstyle; the PC is firmly stuck in the 90s.
Looks around the room *how does he know about my hair*.
I said:
PC probably isn't an alternative to consoles
But it does have a lot of excellent games. Whats your point?
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Sorry, it's not been........ binned exactly. It's going into the living room for "web browsing". But yeah, apparently it didn't cut it no more. I expect you're right, it would run Crysis. It's got that SLI dual card architecture thing. I will tell you this; it's got terrible terrible Windows rot. We've reinstalled Windows a couple of times and after a few weeks it didn't seem to make much difference.
Anyway, my other half is a WoW addict. I'm a WoW widow. We've very split on our preferred platforms, but harmonious in most other things.
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This will cure your windows rot:
http://www.wowwiki. com/Linux/Wine
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/sigh
In what way is it an insult to anyone? Seriously, what is insulting about calling this generation of consoles next gen, given that it is the next generation after the previous one. Who would find that insulting except for the most thin skinned and paranoid of gamers?
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If you are interested (though in that case you probably already know about all the current hw) search some benchmarks/tests concerning latest ATi 512 MB GPUs running texture-memory hungry games (Oblivion with Quarl texture mod for example - using up to 768 MB of textures) - they are running perfectly fine, even though the card has only 512 MB of memory. Seems that those stories that ATi heavily optimized memory management were not just plain PRs... In other words, optimization > raw memory (if you have reached the necessary minimum breakpoint of course).
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mcbi4kh2 - least you're able to take a joke. I'm sorry though, I seriously don't feel that the PC is relevant at the moment (this is cemented by the fact John Carmack is concentrating on consoles for id's next engine). I'm a former PC gamer/builder, turned console gamer.
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I, like you, used to be a PC gamer. As soon as I finished uni and got a job as a programmer the last thing I want to do when I get home is sit at a PC. Otherwise I would still be playing.
I dont know whow you can say that the PC is currently irelevant though.
Currently there are 10 million subscribers to WoW.
On average there are about 800,000 - 1,000,000 different people signed into steam at any given time.
Also PC's are, have always and will always be the best place to play a FPS.
They just appeal to different markets, which is what I meant when I said they're not really an alternative to consoles.
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I agree PCs/consoles appeal to different markets, it's just consoles really do make up for about 90% of that market. I think it's a saddening fact that the PC is going for low power internet based games, but I totally see why it's happening (who has the inclination to spend £300 on a GPU?).
We'll see how things progress in the next decade, but I'm fairly sure that innovation will come before ghz. That's why I'm a console gamer (I've also enjoyed more games this generation than any before it).
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Yeah, there are only millions of WoW subscribers and millions of people playing other MMO games generating hundreds of millions every year from subs alone. And there's only millions of Steam users. And never mind that the sales figures so often touted as evidence of the demise of PC gaming ignore download sales and MMO subs, and also discount sales from smaller retailers. PC games clearly make no money at all!
"(who has the inclination to spend £300 on a GPU?)."
And there it is, the old 'you need a £300 graphics card to play PC games'. Your opinion is not even worth considering.
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Never said it did, that was just an example.
Anyway, home time. I might give a longer answer tomorrow.
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If there's under-utilised or under-used or not-quite-there-yet potential in one platform, isn't it equally true of all of them at this stage in their life-cycles?
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According to EA (Well, according to Eurogamers quote), PC games sales are much, much higher than XBox360 and Wii games sales.
Which, by your argument, makes the 360 pretty much redundant?
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Yawn. This has been the mythical goal since the PS3 came out. The problem is that this approach leads to unknown performance as you can't guarantee if an SPU will be available when needed and if not, things need to stall while waiting or quality needs to be lowered as operations are missed.
These are basically statements made by a designer who doesn't actually understand the architecture well enough to realise the statements are nonsense.
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Uncharted is fantastic but what's coming next, is it Uncharted2 or a Jak and Daxter game maybe...
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You also have to think about how long you want the card to last. A HD4850 today will last for about 1 year before it will struggle with newer games and you will have to turn the details etc. down. But that's also the PC's strenght. Even if your hardware is getting old you can usually play newer games, you just have to turn down the details a bit or turn off AA/AF or turn down the resolution. And not all new games are pushing the system to the limit.
I review hardware so I have great systems includding the latest video cards and regularly benchmark these system against both older and newer games. To say that a 3 year old video card like the 7950 can handle Crysis fine is just a joke. If anything that game, even with the newest cards, needs to be reduced in detail and resolution to play it at a satisfactory speed. Medium without any AA/AF usually is fine. It looks great but got quite a lot of popup.
So the PC has some nice strenghs there even though it also cost more and you have to keep it current with drivers, reinstallation of Windows from time to time etc.
Consoles have their strenghs to. While I cannot be certain my older rigs (including my relatively new Mac Book Pro) run certain games i always know that the game I buy for the PS3 or the 360 (or even my Wii) will work exactly as it will work for everyone else. An example, when the MMORG Conan comes out for the 360 I will buy it for the 360 since I have big issues getting it to run well on my GeForce Go 8600 that sits in my Mac Book pro. I have to turn the details down a ton and still it's slieshow a lot of the times. On the other hand one of my main systems can run it better than the 360 will do as they ahve much beter hardware - but that hardware does cost more money.
So, as a long long time computer/PC gamer I've almost exclusively moved to gaming on the consoles when possible as it simply, for me personally, is more hasslefree while still giving me a great experience. But that does not mean the PC is dooooomed. It's jsut a personal preference.
I'ts pretty interesting visiting different countries and see how games are sold. Here in Sweden the console shelfs are huge and the PC-section in most stores are now much much smaller. The times I've visited the US the last few years I've seen stores that no longer even stock PC-games, and if they do only old ones. In Germany on the other hand the PC-shelfs are much bigger while the console-shelfs are smaller. So I guess its hard to say "PC gaming is dying or PC gaming is not dying" globally as there is lots of different markets.
As for the topic for the article. Of course no game is tapping the full potential of a console (or gaming-rig). There is always optimizations that can be done, new techniques that are created etc. which will make the "next" game often better than the previous one. While U ncharted was a great game I must personally say it wasn't THAT good. Graphics were great but nothing spectacular, gameplay was good but nothin spectacular. It was a great game and I expect them to tap even more on the next game from the PS3.
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Isn't EA the publisher for the Sims? I wonder how much money they get from that one .... heck, the IKEA furnitures for Sims2 took top spot in many countries
Seriously though i would expect EA to get much money from the PC as they publish several high-profile PC-games (Crysis and The Sims comes to mind). They should keep doing well with games like Spore.
/B
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LOL, Fuck off. That is all.
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Fact is, PC games sales account for a healthy percentage of the overall market, but the problem is there's no PC PR rep to stand up for it when we're subjected to an annual 'PC gaming is dead' sales report (which inevitably focuses on the US market and ignores downloads, casual games, MMO subs and the huge European audience).
And you really don't need the latest hardware to play new games so long as you don't demand they be run at the highest settings. Friend of mine has an FX-55, 2GB RAM and some ancient NVIDIA card (I think it might even be a Ti4600) and he's recently played through Crysis, Bioshock and CoD4 without any complaints.
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And yet, it seems KZ2 manages to do it.
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All this aggravation aint satisfactioning me
A little more bite and a little less bark
A little less fight and a little more spark
Close your mouth and open up your heart and baby satisfy me
Satisfy me baby
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]http://ww w.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50...[/link]
"Data from the sales-tracking firm NPD reveals that retailers sold 267.8 million games in 2007, 36.4 million of which were PC titles. Console games brought in $6.6 billion, selling 153.9 million units total, while portable software hauled a record $2 billion in revenue with 77.5 million units sold."
You can't argue with the numbers... The portables are selling greater than 5x the amount of games that the PC is. EA may be making more money from PC, but that's from a select few games.
I agree that the PC market has MASSIVE potential, just not with the games that are being developed today. Didn't Crysis sell well becasue it was given away with some select GPUs?
*still plays C&C on PC - seriously can't be expected to do that on a pad*
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I can, and I'm going to
Firstly NPD = USA, which does not reflect the market as a whole.
Secondly Im betting that that only covers physical sales bought from a shop.
I download virtually all of my PC games through Steam and other services.
Thirdly it also doesnt take into account monthly subscriptions for MMORPGs.
Didn't Crysis sell well becasue it was given away with some select GPUs?
No, Crysis did well becasue it was a bloody good game.
Also Counter Stirke is still the most popular online FPS currently out on any platform (I think) averaging at about 150,000 users at any give time. Phenomonal.
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NPD track US sales only and don't include downloads or MMO subs. Their figures are largely irrelevant.
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I'm sorry guys, you can continue to argue your point (and I'm sure you will), BUT the PC games market is without a doubt in decline (not dead!) - check NVIDIA's stocks for the past five years. Look at the latest PC reviews on Eurogamer (many review in one article - just like they do for the DS), check the NPD data (or the European equivalent).
PC gaming is changing as a result - look at id next PC game, it's Quake 3 running within IE! It'll work for everyone!! Crysis on the other hand doesn't!!! I have a laptop with a 7900 and Crysis looks utter shite (I downloaded the demo FYI).
I'm really looking forward to Quake Live actually (it's the way forward), it means I can get a few mins of multiplayer without much hassle while the missus feeds the baby...
It may piss off you guys that just went out to but a 8X00 for you PC, but why the hell are you writing comments on a thread that's about the PS3?? To wave your virtual cock at people? 'My cock is much bigger than yours, only I can't use it'.
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You bought the most graphically intense game ever made and are surprised it looks shit on a laptop? I have nothing to say to that.
You can try and twist the facts all you like, there are far more active PC users playing games online than ANY platform. Just look at the numbers for CS, WOW, BF, BF2142 etc.
P.s. We're on the 9 series now
What has a 'virtual-cock' got to do with anything? I thought we were having a discussion.
I thought you were a moron with your first comment, it turns out I was right. Thus I no longer have the inclination to argue with you.
'Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.'
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People seem woefully ignorant of console history and console fact - consoles are a fixed system, so no, you cannot upgrade parts when it gets a bit old, nor can you turn settings down to make the game run a bit better. You're stuck with whatever game the devs give you. However, by virtue of being a closed system, good (even mediocre) devs can squeeze far more power from a console than they ever could from a PC with better on-paper specs. Why should devs waste their time trying to optimise and eke out every last bit of power from a Radeon HD3850, when a) only a small percentage of their customers would have that card, b) there are at least a dozen different variations of the card anyway and c) users can either adjust settings in the menu or upgrade? It's no surprise that some of the best looking and impressive games for a console appear towards the end of its designated life - the devs have finally worked out all the little tricks and know all the optimisations they can realistically pull off.
Yes, console owners often have to put up with a new game that does not look as good as it does on a top of the range PC (Far Cry 2 case in point - console versions are placed at the mid-high PC level), but they don't have any of the worry and stresses. And will also get a far better looking and smoother running game than the vast majority of PC owners.
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Yes, it includes WoW, in terms of retail units sold, but it does *not* include the subscriptions it makes. Makes an absolutely monumental difference, seeing as that's 10 MILLION subscribers paying monthly fees.
Something which neither that article nor yourself take into account.
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Put your head into the sand and keep telling yourself that 2, 5, and 10 year old games make money for a platform that's undergoing serious change. Try to convince yourself it might not happen because someone from EA's PR department told you not to worry.
This has been a fun thread - cheers for the conversation, despite your obvious frustration with me, I have no problems with you.
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(cheapest is $12.99 p/month)
Then you:
Put your head into the sand and keep telling yourself that 2, 5, and 10 year old games make money for a platform that's undergoing serious change.
Im going to repeat my quote:
'Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.'
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The PC market is changing, that's all. It's still making plenty of money and holds a significant market share, but none of the current data we have is relevant as it doesn't take into account revenue from downloads, subscriptions and casual gaming. And yes, 5 year old games are well worth taking into consideration when those titles are generating millions for the developers. You can ignore that if you like, but it doesn't change the facts.
By refusing to accept that your poorly-informed arguments and conclusions are incorrect, you are the only person who appears to have their head in the sand.
Xbox Live?
Yeah, what about it? This isn't a console vs PC argument. We know consoles are popular and make lots of cash, nobody is disputing that.
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But maybe that's because we are sticking our heads in the sand, eh?
Yes. That must be it.
Edit: My typist has been sacked for being fat-fingered. Trained monkeys is such a misnomer.
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PC version: 383,000
Xbox 360 version: 3.04 million
PS3 version: 'over 2 million'
Halo 3 sold 8.1 million units in 2007, that's greater than all of the top 10 PC game combined and it was released in October!!!
Show me your numbers!! Also, it might be worth checking out XBL's film and game sales.
Nuff said.
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Show me your numbers!!!
err, did you even read our posts!?
I dont know how many times we have got to say this for it to sink in, Im trying one last time.
Those sales figures count the store bought retail versions, not the ones bought from digital downloads!
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Ps. all you've done is prove that Blizzard are very, VERY rich!
Totally irrelevant. EA is very, very rich too, does that mean we should ignore all the money from EA sports and The Sims? That'd be a fair old chunk. Are you being deliberately stupid, or does it come naturally?
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06-Aug-08 13:23:28
cue Blig_merk, Swam, Banfoi, Apologie circlewank... "
lol 'Watch out! Merk's about!'
cue annoying Beadle music...
hardly matters tbh, for those companies who actually want to make money,
its a rare studio that can afford independent development cycles for each platform...
most likely it'll be another case of 'lowest common denominator' development.