Uncharted 2 to use all the PS3's power

Better combat and new female lead feature.

Naughty Dog has said Uncharted 2: Among Thieves will come close to using all of the PS3's power, after the first game used just "30 to 40 per cent".

That's according to the Game Informer reveal (read by a poster on the Gametrailers forum), which provides the first details and images of the sequel.

We're told to expect a brand new female lead in the shape of Chloe Frazer, who'll be played by Claudia Black from Stargate SG-1 and Farscape. She may use a rocket launcher, as suggested by cut-scene footage.

Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, revolves around Nathan Drake finding the lost ships of Marco Polo. Action adventure will still very much be the focus, and Naughty Dog has made significant improvements to combat.

Apparently melee will be more "dynamic", and Drake will be able to shoot while running, climbing and hanging, as well as simultaneously move and aim from behind cover.

Firefly composer Greg Edmonson will return to score the game, and Nolan North will once again provide the voice and movements for hero Nathan Drake.

Naughty Dog apparently refused to comment on whether original heroine Elena or grizzled friend Sully will make comebacks.

Uncharted 2: Among Thieves will be unveiled properly on Sunday at the 2008 Video Game Awards. Expect more information to tumble out then.

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune was released at the end of 2007 and is one of the best games on PlayStation 3. It can be picked up as part of the PS3's budget Platinum range for around GBP 20.

We heavily recommend the game, as our Uncharted: Drake's Fortune review points out.

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  • Dizzy #1 3 years ago

    Ha finally the next gen starts!
  • Razz #2 3 years ago

  • Res #3 3 years ago

    I hope it doesn't mean I have to play half the game as a different character, I hate character switching.

    /completely ignores the title and actually reads article
  • the_dudefather #4 3 years ago

    In before OMGS TEH CELLZ TEH BLUEZRAYZ style comments
  • konstantinos #5 3 years ago

    well, if it's one game I will believe that for, it is this one...

    cheers...
  • penhalion #6 3 years ago

    Loved the first one so I'm looking forward to this.
  • Santino #7 3 years ago

    the notion of using a percentage of a machines powersounds a bit stupid to me really, what part of the machines power will they be describing here? what can we expect to be improved? at most i expect some more geometry but i'm guessing the game will look basically the same as the 1st visually (obviously apart from the setting) which is no bad thing, it is still one of the best looking console games out there.

    not sure i like the sound of a new female lead though, hopefully it is to just throw you off and the trio will be back together as the main cast again.
  • DFawkes #8 3 years ago

    Fargate. Good lord please change it. Change it, it's gnawing away at my nerd-sense.

    "Kannavrel, this is Fargate 1. I'm drunk and can't remember what my ship is called, or my name. Hope I don't get thrown across the galaxy and end up with a tall dude with an awesome gunblade thing, a tiny helium farting guy, some gun toting chick who'll rebel, and a plant. That'd screw my day right up."
  • systems #9 3 years ago

    ^The "more power" comes from reduced bottlenecks and spreading the threads better across the processors. In the original game some units would be mostly idle when others were flat out.

    This game was a highlight for me too. Played through it twice and loved it. I reckon they can wring a bit more out of the PS3.
  • the_dudefather #10 3 years ago

    @J1GSAW

    I was referring more to people who use comically misspelled versions of bluray and cell on Eurogamer for mockery purposes

    e.g. 'what about TEH CELLZ?' in any games comparison rundown
  • mattigan #11 3 years ago

    Clown Shoes - LOL how quaint

    But seriously, these 'exploit the full power of the console' news items have been around since SNES days and they are all just PR bollocks to get the fanboys cumming in ther pants.
  • Widge #12 3 years ago

    I've used 80% of my fingers to type this message
  • mingster #13 3 years ago

    All teh powa will b needed 4 her boobies.
  • zoch #14 3 years ago

    I've used 10% of my fingers to type this message
  • menage #15 3 years ago

    I loved the first, if it looks as good as the first I'm already happy. Just don't do that twist in the end bit anymore, kinda lame.
  • peterfll #16 3 years ago

    The first one reminds me of Xmas cos I played it over the period last year.
  • degville #17 3 years ago

    @penhalion I must apologise for thinking you never like any games.... Of course i have never ventured forth my views this being the intersapzz. But can we be sure this is you? please revert to type and criticise Drakes I want to keep the image of you as a miserable b*gger
  • GamesProgrammer Verified Games Team Programmer, Eutechnyx Ltd. #18 3 years ago

    Twats!

    its called Farscape not Fargate.
  • Darren #19 3 years ago

    Note to Naughty Dog... while Uncharted was an outstanding game, could you use some of the extra 60-70% performance to get rid of the god-awful screen tearing that plagued the first game, please... it was really the only thing that stopped the game from being a real graphical tour-de-force IMO. Oh and make the combat to adventuring ratio about 30:60 too while you're at all! :D
  • wewillselfdestruct #20 3 years ago

    "I've used 10% of my fingers to type this message"

    You typed a percentage sign using only one finger? Kudos.
  • Phily50 #21 3 years ago

    So, either this will be 'TEH BESTEST GAME EVA' on the PS3 therefore we have nothing to look forward to after the release of this game, or, conversely, if its shit will 'TEH PS3 BE TEH D00M3D!!!!!'.
    Edited by 1 at 11/12/08 @ 11:17
  • f1r3storm Verified Redakteur, Eurogamer Deutschland #22 3 years ago

    "I've used 10% of my fingers to type this message"

    You typed a percentage sign using only one finger? Kudos.


    No problem with Caps Lock.
  • StooMonster #23 3 years ago

    60%-70% untapped potential?

    Why didn't they use it in the first game? Were they saving it for later?
  • chessboxer #24 3 years ago

    Triple-six-o? Is that the next Xbox, the 6660? FAIL.
  • jonthepymm #25 3 years ago

    Surely that's a spoiler for the first game that Sully is still alive by the end...
  • funkshui #26 3 years ago

    "I've used 10% of my fingers to type this message"

    You typed a percentage sign using only one finger? Kudos.

    No problem with Caps Lock.


    Are you mental??
  • Kenshin001 #27 3 years ago

    Be interesting to see how it turns out in terms of graphical performance. I think this, Killzone 2 and God of War 3 are going to give the PS3 a real workout.
  • Toadie48 #28 3 years ago

    Why would they care about using all the PS3's power? The PS3 is the gayest system out on the streets!!! The XBox Triple-120 is killing da competition.

    Anyway, I gotta go yo! I'm gonna, you know play some of that N64 and then get on to some of that Triple-120.
  • chessboxer #29 3 years ago

  • Widge #30 3 years ago

    well now you've corrected your delete post it makes it all the more awesome
  • Vistrix #31 3 years ago

    Correct me if im wrong, but didnt Uncharted 1 use 80-90% of the PS3s power until it was decided that the game would be better if it was redesigned with simpler graphics?
  • Santino #32 3 years ago

    was there a patch of some sort to fix the tearing? i only played the game about 2 months ago for the first time and didn't notice any tearing at all. This surprised me as i noticed some during on my mates playthrough when the game first came out, especially during the on-rails section.
  • bodypopper #33 3 years ago

    Will there be multiplayer I wonder?
  • Beano #34 3 years ago

    Bah... waiting for Uncharted 3 which will use 140% of the PS3's power!
  • drumbaby #35 3 years ago

    Naughty Dog know their stuff, fashion great games, and seem pretty no-nonsense, so all you piss-takers can do one this time. :)
  • ukslim #36 3 years ago

    Caps-lock won't do it.

    Stickykeys will though.
  • BobsUncle #37 3 years ago

    @Farticus - "Fix the horrific tearing, greatly reduce the awful combat and put some proper puzzles and exploration it might just be a decent game. "

    Thank god I'm not the only one who noticed this, I thought the whole world except me thought this game was amazing.

    Don't forget the shitty camera that zooms out so you can't see where you're jumping, and the bugs, like dropping off a ledge only to land on your sidekicks head and not reach the ground, followed by death because it thinks you've fallen too far.

    But the puzzles, oh my god the puzzles. Did they even qualify as puzzles?
  • BadBoyBonner #38 3 years ago

    From 30-40% up to 100% eh?

    Guess it now finally runs in 1080p.
  • Beano #39 3 years ago

    Though the combat was great and easily on par with Gears (if not better). But hope they focus more on exploring and puzzles in the sequel since the first game was more a shooter than a Tomb Raider clone.

    And yes - fix the tearing this time!!
    Edited by 1 at 11/12/08 @ 12:18
  • Goodfella #40 3 years ago

    I've played Gears 1 and 2 and the combat in Uncharted by comparison is far from a let down, there's just too much of it.
  • LeeroyJenkins #41 3 years ago

    Bet Sony will hate them for saying it will use 100% of the PS3's power, as that means we should never expect to play a game as technologically demanding as Uncharted 2 in the PS3's lifetime. Oh well.

    Luckily, there's a difference between using 100% of the power, and using 100% of the power well.
  • Artemus #42 3 years ago

    Sully had better be in it. The banter between him and Drake was great. Elena I can live without.
  • snafu65 #43 3 years ago

    I always treat these kind of claims with a pinch of salt, I am looking forward to Uncharted 2 however, the first one is the best PS3 exclusive to date and yes that includes the snoozathon that was MGS4.
  • Waldo #44 3 years ago

    "We're pushing the _____ to its limits!"

    In two years it'll be "We've barely tapped the power of the ____!"
  • Kenshin001 #45 3 years ago

    Farty is a big fan of the Surf's Up game, aren't you farty. Tell us all how much you enjoyed it. More than Uncharted no doubt since it was on your Live profile for quite a while!

    /Nelson laugh
  • coomber #46 3 years ago

    If you swap between characters, they will be ruining one of the best games on PS3.
  • BobsUncle #47 3 years ago

    "That is true, but every detail of combat was shamelessly cloned from Gears,"

    Although, I must say when I first played Gears I was shocked at how much they'd ripped off GRAW.
  • Beano #48 3 years ago

  • Arwin #49 3 years ago

    There are some sections in Uncharted that have a bit instable framerate - I too hope that they will get it a bit more stable next time. However, you should make sure that the game runs at 720p - the 1080p mode that was added to the U.S. version (not sure it was ever added to the E.U. version?) to cater for 1080i only displays makes the game run a bit worse.

    Also, yes, you do need to install that first patch that was released shortly after release, as I think that improved performance. I hate tearing, but after that update I've only seen framerate slowdown here and there personally.
  • Masarin #50 3 years ago

    >> "I've used 10% of my fingers to type this message"
    >
    > You typed a percentage sign using only one finger? Kudos.

    I can do it with 1 and a ½ finger.
  • kopykatt #51 3 years ago

    Loved the first - it was just a great adventure but...

    GOW V's Uncharted? WTF!!!!

    That's like the age old one comparing Sonic and Mario. Its pointless, they are two diffrent types of game.
  • Widge #52 3 years ago

    In shock news it is discovered that people are allowed to not like games that you like.
  • Mr_Dodger #53 3 years ago

    I thought it was accepted wisdom that tearing was largely dependent on the tv you're using? This coupled with innate tolerance for it (or lack thereof) means one person's horrific tearing is hardly noticeable to someone else.

    Or was that a different meeting?
  • Zebula77 #54 3 years ago

    Very much looking forward to this one. The original is definitely one of this year's best games. I'd prefer more exploration and puzzles over the combat tho. I thought there was a tad too heavy a focus on the shooting scenes which, although well, implemented, should have been toned down a little.
    Also, I'd like it to be a little longer, or have larger areas to explore.
  • Doctor_What #55 3 years ago

    +1 to Squarejawhero. The gameplay in Uncharted is a bit repetitive, but the overall package was great. I loved the characterisation, the setting, and the script was probably the best I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing in a game. Do these things compensate for mostly one-note gameplay? Yes, I think they do.

    As for the GoW v.s Uncharted thing: I played through GoW, disliked the boring characters, felt the one-note gameplay was okay but nothing special, and was immensely underwhelmed by the whole experience which had been greeted as the second coming by many magazines and even more 360 fans. I've not touched it since. I played through Uncharted, felt the one-note gameplay was okay but nothing special (although I personally preferred the looseness of the controls to the heavy-feeling marines in GoW), but loved the characters. I've since played through the whole game three more times because I enjoy the story so much.

    For me, it's a clear win for Uncharted because it keeps on pulling me back for one more play-through. I've never craved playing through GoW again, but that's just my personal experience of the games. I thought that it might be worth adding a bit of balance to the general tone of 'GoW is an untouchable classic' in this thread. Yes, it's good, but if you prefer a good story and great script over homoerotic grunting space marines then that can heavily sway you towards Uncharted!
  • Beano #56 3 years ago

    "It always makes me laugh when people lower themselves to directing personal attacks to get their opinions across."

    Well said :)
  • DAN.E.B #57 3 years ago

    not.................ALL THE POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????
  • MaxiSleep #58 3 years ago

    Uncharted 2 to use all the PS3's power

    Great. Realistic simulation of plastic bags anyone?
  • muscleblade #59 3 years ago

    "Yes I enjoyed Surf's up for the brief period I played it"

    Me too. Lasted me 4 hours but those where very entertaining indeed. Check the Eurogamer review if you doubth the quality of Surfs Up.
  • ocmerius #60 3 years ago

    I find this 'we're gonna use all the power of the ps3' from ND very funny, especially when they've got the following comment on their own site.

    Q) What percent of the PS2’s power are you using?
    A) People think of systems as glasses and ask: “how full is the glass”. Unfortunately, that isn’t how it works. Any developer who gives you a “percent of system used” answer is blowing smoke. The truth is that every developer uses 100% of the systems power on every game. Some just get more out of that 100% than others. And game after game, we ALL get more out of systems than we did on the previous title. Think of it this way. If the system is a glass, some developers pour in rocks till the glass overflows and then call it quits. They would claim that they use 100% of the systems space. And it is true that no more rocks fit. Some will even put in a rock too many and the game plays slow or runs funny. But there is still some space left for smarter developers. They pour pebbles into the cracks left by the rocks, and they get more into the glass. Then they call it 100% full. But some Developers will then pour in sand, to fill the cracks between the pebbles. They get even more out of the system, yet it is still just 100% full. Some developers go the extra distance, and they pour in water. Then the glass is truly full, right? Sure, but just for this title, because some of the rocks can be replaced with pebbles that do the same thing, if you work hard at it. And some of the pebbles can be made into sand. And some sand can be pressed to water. No developer ever gets a glass filled with only water, no developer has that much time, so no developer truly fills the glass. We just get more and more out of the 100%.
    source
  • Sulphur #61 3 years ago

    Am I really the first one to say... CLAUDIA BLACK!!!!

    Totally loved her in Farscape. She's a brilliant actress. As nice as Uncharted 2 seems to be coming along, this is like the icing on the cake.
  • TheWretched #62 3 years ago

    Claudia Black was GREAT in Farscape!
  • spadge #63 3 years ago

    Will it have sprites in the border?
  • Vanmunt #64 3 years ago

    @Vorlon

    keep it up son, got them on the back foot... farticus slating drakes and then defending surf's up, priceless, fricken priceless..



    oh, and whats it got to do with you square, or are you farticus trying to back track from getting totally owned!!!
  • miiiguel #65 3 years ago

    Well, I find it a bit out of line to be judging farticus tastes. I also enjoyed Surf's Up, is a good kids game, it gives one a strange sense of relaxation. Banjo N&B, I am saving to play it during Xmas..., it sounds the right thing to do. Or maybe Gears of War...

    Anyway, regarding Uncharted, from what I've seen and played, liked it a lot. Though, the X% used is bollocks. With 4-5 lines of code I put a 32 CPU server at my work on its knees (if I ever want to be fired, and maybe arrested...). It all depends on code's quality, imo.
  • turnget2005 #66 3 years ago

    could people just grow up and stop say that the combat is a ripp!
    everything starts from somewhere, was sonic a ripp cause mario did it first, cause if you say yes to that then all platform games are ripps of the first. so uncharted has a cover system WOW barstards using something thats been used for years by a hundred different games, what cunts!

    and to all the fanboys xbox and ps3 get a life.

    xbox fanboys unfortunately uncharted was a great game that you didnt get to play :( dont cry dry your eye
    ps3 fanboys its not the best best game ever its just good 1.

  • Vanmunt #67 3 years ago

  • Vanmunt #68 3 years ago

  • miiiguel #69 3 years ago

    "owned, lol?!"

    WTF?!! 90's lexicon is back ?
  • Vanmunt #70 3 years ago

    sorry for delay in reply... busy on an amzing level on 'surfs up'..













    oh, and owned!!!!!!!!!!!! lololololololololololol....
  • miiiguel #71 3 years ago

    /splaps himself on the head..., dude you're posting in a thread where ppl say "owned, lol"..., thrice...! Get a life!
  • turnget2005 #72 3 years ago

    @farticusmaximus

    every ps3 related topic that this site cares to show and there you are slating it regardless of what it is.

    why not just concentrate on 360 news?

    are you a troll or is my definition of troll out? (genuin question)

    im lucky enough to have both consoles (360 & ps3) and have no need to try and diminish every wii product out there.

    gears is great uncharted is great and thats the TRUTH!
  • ps3owner #73 3 years ago

    this thread + Better combat = more entertaining

    keep it up you retards. I am bored :p
  • Freek #74 3 years ago

    i hope they fix the "instant death" shoot outs. Those bitts near the end got extremly frustrating and boring.
  • wewillselfdestruct #75 3 years ago

    "I can't help it if the PS3 has a history of providing shit software."

    That's so weird: I've got a shelf full of more great games for my PS3 than I have time to play at the moment.
  • jlaakso #76 3 years ago

    "Chloe Frazer"

    Cloetta Fazer is a Scandinavian chocolate & sweets manufacturer.
  • onyxbox #77 3 years ago

    i cant understand why people can't appreciate both 360 and PS3 at the same time.

    'tis Wii that is the enemy... trust me ;-)

  • turnget2005 #78 3 years ago

    @onyxbox

    so bloody true, the wii is turning the gaming industry on its head with this casual gamer crap, in reality the 360 and ps3 fanboys should be joining forces.

  • AllenSpawn #79 3 years ago

    @farticus
    i love the way you call vanmunt a disadvantaged teenager.....methinks you doth protest too much.........i dont see him playing surfs up or nuts and bolts.
    Is that why you wont play dead space either....tooo young to buy or it might give you nightmares.


    lol

    and not owned.......................pwned
  • AllenSpawn #80 3 years ago

    @turnget
    @onyxbox
    Both very true.
    i have all three,but the fact that i havnt even turned on my wii in 3 months, and use the other 2 nearly every single day speaks volumes.
  • Stepharneo #81 3 years ago

    I'm always confused by "horrific screen tearing" quotes, either my eyes are so broken that I don't notice, which is entirely plausible, or maybe I'm actually immersed in the game, too busy enjoying it to notice the visuals (in which case they are wasted on me anyway), or, and I'm not sure if it makes a difference but it really does seem possible, my T.V. is better than the people that seem to hate the visuals.....the only negative visuals I noticed were to do with pop-in...mostly textures, like a leaf suddenly becoming a lot more detailed as Drake touched it.
  • drumbaby #82 3 years ago

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  • BonzoBanana #83 3 years ago

    I don't think 360 vs PS3 is much different from the DC vs PS2 because it took a long time for the ps2 to show any distance from the DC. When you look at a game like shenmue on the dreamcast its still hard to think of a ps2 game that is soo rich in textures. The ps2 underperformed for its spec for a long time and only a few developers managed to push the system. The ps3 is the same its going to end up with probably a handful of games that show some distance to the 360 but the 360 is going to have the greater range of better versions. The 360 is much easier to develop for and optimise. Software developers don't have unlimited time and resources to spend on games. I remember there was a quote that Wolfenstein took 2 weeks to get a good working engine on the original xbox but something like 9 months on ps2 and it still looked a lot worse. Admittedly the xbox is about twice as powerful as the ps2 but even the DC managed a quick conversion of Unreal where as the ps2 version was slow to develop and was slow to play with poor frame rates. On the ps2 some top coders did the Quake 3 conversion and it was excellent but still visually inferior to dc and took longer to program. Games like shenmue probably weren't even possible on the ps2. The dc had twice the video memory, 8meg compared to 4meg on the ps2 and it had texture compression which meant the 8meg went further again. The fact is the ps3 has a inferior gpu to 360 and has seven processors to get working together instead of 3 processors. The ps3 has additional support processors to aid the gpu but it sounds like an absolute nightmare getting them all working together. Memory seems to be the bottleneck in the ps3.

    Personally I'm expecting the 360 to generally outperform the ps3 now and into the future. The main limitation of the 360 is disc storage. The ps3 still has the potential to do larger game worlds with more movies, music and detail. Ambitous games with large amounts of fmv are obviously better suited to ps3.

    Sony are their own worst enemies as they seem to have little regard for developers. The ps3 would have been more powerful than the 360 if they had gone for a better gpu, just two main cpu cores but faster memory. I think the cell approach of 7 cpu cores is a ridiculous approach unless you can provide the necessary memory bandwidth for all 7 cores simultanously.

    I remember developers complaining about getting the best out of the saturn as it was so difficult with its two main cpus. Just two cpus and they were complaining so I dread to think how difficult it is to program for 7 cores.

    Don't get me wrong the ps3 is a fantastic system I have both a ps3 and 360 but I've seen enough games now to see that many developers fail to match 360 standards on ps3 and as a general rule you should think yourself lucky if a ps3 game is near enough the same as 360. You only have to look at haze to see how a developer failed to achieve on ps3. Its ended up looking like a game halfway house between the original xbox and the 360 and that was a game written from ground up for ps3. Drake's Fortune, Motorstorm, Resistance 2, Wipeout HD, Killzone 2, Ratchet and Clank show the potential to move slightly ahead of 360.

    The 360 definitely takes the title for technically most impressive console overall but its only marginally ahead by the average but its still ahead and the ps3 was meant to be better.
  • VMerken #84 3 years ago

    Perhaps some game footage will tell us more than percentages.

    Edit: tearing is screen-dependent. On my SD TV I had a lot of it (including slow-down and "sluggish" geometry). Had the same problem with Devil May Cry 4, which irked me because I thought the PS3 could do better. Then, I got some cables, connected the PS3 to a Samsung monitor and bam, everything runs perfectly smooth at 60Hz.
    Edited by 1 at 13/12/08 @ 00:03
  • makeamazing #85 3 years ago

    I cant wait for this game, certainly will get it. I hope they keep the original characters as they were very likeable. With regards to screen tearing, I got a bit but not lots. I do think the type of screen you have makes all the difference.

    Anyway I dont have a problem with people disliking this game, but they even have to admit that the general concensus is that many more people loved the game. :)
  • Les #86 3 years ago

    "Sony are their own worst enemies as they seem to have little regard for developers."

    That's true. It was a bad decision to release a new hardware architecture at the start of the HD era. On top of already sky rocketing development costs, developers also had to deal with something completely new which, besides the fact that people hate change they don't choose themselves, increased development costs even further. Sony should have known from the previous gen that if developers can get away with shoddy ports, they'll do it. They're in the business to make money after all and they catch every opportunity to cut corners to save some costs. And you can't really blame them. It was Sony's job, by introducing something new, to make life as easy as possible for the developers and in that they failed. They probably bet on their brand strength forcing developers to pay more attention to the PS3 but they didn't count on Nintendo's resurgence.
  • AllenSpawn #87 3 years ago

    @ farticus
    I do have lbp.. Which I try and play with my 4 year old daughter... She can't get used to the 2.5d aspect and can't get up the jumps. BUT when I downloaded the surfs up demo for her(when she was 3!) she could steer, pull off tricks and even got a medal......... That says it all.

    Dead space, uncharted , et al must be a bit hard for u with more than 2 buttons.
  • AllenSpawn #88 3 years ago

    @ farticus
    37? Then stop acting like a fanBOY.

    Actually, at 37, that makes you a fan-man..... Which has such a sad ring to it......
  • DrDamn #89 3 years ago

    @AllenSpawn
    You might want to try a few of the levels created by BeardyBrave - he has created some specifically for his 3 year old to play and they have gone down well. They don't use a lot of the mechanics which would be too complex for a young child but still provide something fun for them to try. He's even trying to include some education elements in them. Interesting and innovative use of the game.
  • AllenSpawn #90 3 years ago

  • Law07 #91 3 years ago

    All of PS3's hardware in its 3rd year?

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm