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Naughty Dog co-president Christophe Balestra believes the technical demands of Uncharted 2: Among Thieves make the game "impossible" to recreate, like-for-like, on Xbox 360.
"I guarantee that this game couldn't be working on Xbox 360. It would be impossible. I'm 100 per cent sure of this," Balestra told ars technica.
"It's the combination of Blu-ray and hard drive," he explained, revealing that "every single bit" of the 25GB disc had been filled.
"You can play the entire game without loading. We don't require an install. We're doing all the post-processing effects on the SPUs [Synergistic Processing Units]. The quality of the depth of field we have, you can't do that on the Xbox.
"We've invested a lot of time maximising the power of the machine," added Balestra. "That's our job, to make the PS3 shine."
It's not the first time Naughty Dog has talked-up technical prowess of Uncharted 2 or the power of the PS3 itself. The Sony-owned studio has said the sequel uses all of the machine's power, whereas the first game - a poster-child for PS3 - used only "30 to 40 per cent" of its capabilities.
Naughty Dog also houses Sony Worldwide Studio's ICE Team, which concentrates on making PS3 tools and engines to power first-party games.
It's no surprise that Balestra said Naughty Dog is "very open" to sharing advancements with third-party PS3 developers as well as closer siblings - like God of War III developer Sony Santa Monica - then. "That's part of our job," he offered.
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kangarootoo
27/08/09 @ 09:10
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Part of me wants to issue a giant YAWN over this sort of commentary. I really liked Uncharted though, so its hard to be dismissive.
I suppose I might summarise my thoughts as such... "What you say might be true, but it is bad for the internet and humanity that you are saying it out loud". |
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ChthonicEcho
27/08/09 @ 09:11
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Yeah, yeah, just like Star Wars: Force Unleashed was impossible on the PC, right?
It's amazing how often video game developers happen to spew even more bollocks than politicians. |
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StooMonster
27/08/09 @ 09:15
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Why do PlayStation developers and Sony feel the need to say "this is impossible on Xbox 360", do you ever see the reverse?
If I were to buy a PS3 Slim, this would be one of the titles I would buy with the system because it looks pretty good; but the hyperbolic rhetoric is silly. |
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Vertical Stand
27/08/09 @ 09:17
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Devs make pacts with website, receive coverage in exchange for giving troll soundbites that encourage ad hits.
Nerdgate scandal exposed!
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Exclusive game in can't be done on other platform shocker. I do find their tech talks very open and interesting though. Like the use of spe's to calculate positional sound, reverb etc. Pity eg missed that out and instead decided to concentrate on provoking the fanboys.
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daz_john_smith
27/08/09 @ 09:23
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I believe him, especially since he's intimately familiar with development for Xbox 360. I mean it's not like Naughty Dog only make games for PS3... right?
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"Any developer who gives you a “percent of system used” answer is blowing smoke. The truth is that every developer uses 100% of the systems power on every game. Some just get more out of that 100% than others. And game after game, we ALL get more out of systems than we did on the previous title."
That's a quote from....well, it's from Naughty Dog |
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sarcasmoidosis
27/08/09 @ 09:28
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If even the smartest people at Sony feel a need to /drool from time to time... there's no hope left.
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Sony-owned studio employee sounding like Sony PR types shocker! :-|
I wish all these hype-merchants would shut the fuck up and concentrate on making games, whichever company they work for. Is having the mentality of a child a requirement in management? (hmm seems i'm late to the shocker party :) )
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IneptPercy
27/08/09 @ 09:34
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Basically to say an engine built from the groud up for the PS3 won't run on a 360 is hardly shocking, dare I say with some time and effort this game probably could run on the 360 maybe it would lose some touches in the process but the game would be just as playable (pure guesswork i am not a developer). The reality is the 360/PS3 aren't really that far apart and in some cases the PS3 may have an edge and in others the 360 will have the edge. Basically the difference in what is coming out of each console is never going to be worlds apart.
As for what can't be done, neither console can run Crysis... PC Wins... (This is a joke before anybody gets upset) |
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The key word in the opening paragraph is 'like for like' as it is certainly true that Uncharted 2 as it is coded on the PS3 would not work exactly the same on the 360. However, I'm pretty sure it would work fine if it was coded from the ground up for the hardware, even if it meant coming on multiple discs with loading times, having screen tearing, inferior physics and fewer graphical effects. It wouldn't be 'like for like' perhaps but does that really matter so long as the game is playable and looks great regardless?
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hiddenranbir
27/08/09 @ 09:40
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A lot of 360 games are impossible on the PS3. Cause the developers didn't make 'em!
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Ninja_Tino
27/08/09 @ 09:42
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All this does is fuel the fan-boy fire and cause hostility between those adolescents.
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Why do theyeven need to say this stuff?
I know they're hoping the fans lap it up but it's really sad. Of course you could do it. You take all the localisations on one disk, you look at compression and you also (if you had to) spread across a couple of disks and just have one annoying disk swap. Impossible? no just a different approach. I do wish they'd stop this with th big Sony exclusives. Sell us your games on their quality and not this console war BS. This game is good enough on it's own.
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actionfitz
27/08/09 @ 09:44
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"The Sony-owned studio"...
switched off after reading that bit. though I am looking forward to it :) |
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Monkey_Puncher
27/08/09 @ 09:45
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It does look good, but didn't they say the same about the first game as well? Very boring, though more power doesn't guarantee success, as Xbox found out last generation. The game's been designed with PS3 and Bluray in mind, so it's really not that surprising of a statement.
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I'm not surprised, as it's a well coded exclusive, with no chance of it going muti-platform. There's no reason to consider any other hardware than the specifics of the PS3.
However - the same could be said for many titles built from the ground up to use the strengths of the 360 hardware. Even GTA IV had to be delayed and compromised on the PS3, for example. The same is happening with iPhone games, as they can't be recreated on the PSP without compromise, and obviously Wii/DS games have to be butchered to work on other formats. Swings and roundabouts...
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So let me see if I'm getting this. It's not actually technically impossible at all, it's just that you'd need to have blu-ray on 360 for it to fit.
Talk about a misleading story! Edit: I should also add that by his description of Uncharted 2. The PS3 has now reached it's limits because he's using 100% of the power to do the game. I think that's going to backfire from a PR standpoint but, then the old saying is what goes around comes around isn't it.
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BillyBrush
27/08/09 @ 09:56
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Hmm...it's completely moot given they're owned by Sony.
But also interesting that he only really pins down blu ray size (ohh how dvd has held back 360), and a depth of field effect that sounds a very tenuous claim given these effects usually only come to one of the two plaforms.. they have a very nice looking game...they should big it up...but not by slinging mud at the competition |
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@penhalion - "So let me see if I'm getting this. It's not actually technically impossible at all, it's just that you'd need to have blu-ray on 360 for it to fit."
I'm not even sure it even needs BD anyway, it could work on multiple discs just as well with the inconvenience of swapping a disc every few hours of gameplay. That's assuming that Uncharted 2 is still completely linear like the first game was though. It used pre-rendered cutscenes (taken from the in-game engine) to mask loading times so they could feasibly have been real-time on the 360 with loading screens, say. It's all pure speculation though as we're very unlikely to ever see Uncharted 2 running on the 360. |
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UKGN_Zoidberg
27/08/09 @ 10:05
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There is simply no reason that a game would need to use 25Gb of space other than lazy developing. GTA San Andreas used barely half of a regular single-layer DVD!
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Mentalist(air)
27/08/09 @ 10:06
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Utter nonsense, really. If there were sufficient financial incentive, they could probably make a PS2 version that plays precisely the same, and looks almost as good on an SDTV by chopping out a few polygons and scaling the textures down.
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