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No 1080i in Uncharted PAL after all News

PlayStation 3 News by Tom Bramwell

18 January, 2008

Sony has confirmed to Eurogamer what some of you have been arguing about in our forum - that the European version of Uncharted: Drake's Fortune doesn't support 1080i resolution after all.

"Naughty Dog only added it to the US version very late in the development process," Sony told Eurogamer. "Including this in the PAL version would have meant delaying the game's release as a result of QA testing each localised version again."

"The extra time spent on QA could have resulted in the game launching post Christmas (rather than two weeks after the US) which would have upset consumers," the spokesperson explained.

This means that a very small sub-set of PS3 owners in PAL territories will discover that their HDTVs only display the game in 480p.

The reason for this is that some older HDTVs don't support 720p resolution, which is the game's highest available, and despite the developer's ability to upscale that 720p image to 1080i that does require a bit of extra programming to achieve.

Fortunately not many people in Europe will suffer on account of it, because most of our HDTVs are more up to date. In the US, however, the problem is much more prevalent, which is presumably why - alerted to it at the last minute - Naughty Dog acted quickly to satisfy its customers there.

In the end then, we got Uncharted on 7th December with 480p and 720p support, but not 1080i.

It's not all bad news for those two or three of you with older HDTVs, however, because the PlayStation 3 does not discriminate against games from other regions, meaning that you can always pop along to somewhere like NCSX, Videogamesplus or wherever and snag the US version, and enjoy the game in 720p upscaled to 1080i after all.

Plus, of course, it doesn't actually look bad in 480p anyway. Those Naughty Dog kids, they're not messing about.

For more on Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, check out our Uncharted: Drake's Fortune review.

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Inspirius
18/01/08 @ 11:46
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It's a disappointing design decision in the PS3 to not support arbitrary scaling, probably the reason why VGA is not supported.
superted1974
18/01/08 @ 11:46
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But was the demo 1080?
JediMasterMalik
18/01/08 @ 11:46
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The least they should have done is patch it later then, very disappointing for those who have 1080i only. Soz morriss.
morriss
18/01/08 @ 11:47
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Thanks for that, Tom. I must be the only one in Europe! :)
Carlo
18/01/08 @ 11:51
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I think you ARE the only one morriss.

Still, your voice is one of the loudest :)
LeD
18/01/08 @ 11:51
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morriss has a crap telly! Let's all point at him and laugh, kids!
Artemis_Matsas
18/01/08 @ 11:53
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/points finger

Har Har Har

Seriously now, if you really want to play the game, get the US version. Works perfectly :)

And given the chance, although the game is great, the platforming sections are SHITE. Shame Naughty Dog. Sit.
JediMasterMalik
18/01/08 @ 11:54
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They are not shite, they're just surrounded by more shooting.
tobsen
18/01/08 @ 12:01
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I still don't understand whether it would actually look better in 1080i than in 720p. Anyone can shed any light on this?
Arwin
18/01/08 @ 12:07
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@tobsen: the point is that some tvs only support 1080i or 480p, but not 720p.

By the way, VGA isn't supported, but you can still use some displays using an XCM component to VGA adapter or if you have a DVI connection, HDMI to DVI. Your monitor does have to support the 1280x720p or 1920x1080 resolutions (doesn't have to be its native resolution, it just needs to accept it), but then it does work. Although many games these days only support widescreen, so if you don't have a widescreen monitor, some games will look odd.
Rpt81
18/01/08 @ 12:07
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A lot of the demos I've played on my PS3 have been 720p only, and judging by the backs of cases, so do a lot of the full games, so this may be a more widespread problem.
Artemis_Matsas
18/01/08 @ 12:14
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@Jedi

I love the game to bits, but each time i have to figure out that i have to grab hold of an almost invisible ledge with the camera being absolutely horrible, i cannot help but think that these sections should have been so much better.
MBar
18/01/08 @ 12:22
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Hello once again, Europe. It's your old friend Sony.

Bend over, would you?
JediMasterMalik
18/01/08 @ 12:24
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Replace Europe with morriss, and you're there. :D
Darren
18/01/08 @ 12:26
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Uncharted runs better at 480p anyway with far less screen tearing from my own experiences.
Kenshin001
18/01/08 @ 12:28
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Tom, totally OT but since morriss' issue got some attention next time you talk to Sony could you ask them about what they intend to do about the region locked DLC issue? There is an almost 300 post thread about it on the US PS forums. Loads of people have import versions of online games like Warhawk and Motorstorm and found they have been unable to get DLC because a) it is region locked despite the games being region free and b) the Playstation stores do not accept all international credit cards, only cards with a local address so they can not purchase the DLC from the country they imported the game from. Thanks.

Edit: Actually it is kind of on topic since you suggested getting a US copy of Uncharted and there will be much woe and gnashing of teeth if they ever released DLC for it.
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bdc
18/01/08 @ 12:34
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Playstation 3 - the only truly high definition console on the market.






lol
BobsUncle
18/01/08 @ 12:37
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I compared 1080i and 720p on with my 360 and thought 720p looked better anyway.
philw
18/01/08 @ 12:48
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Doesn't really affect me, but will there be an EU patch out for poor ol morriss? Seems the logical course of action.
Gaol
18/01/08 @ 12:49
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A good article for people with 1080i sets - they know to get hold of a US copy, hardly an ordeal; and Naughty Dog should get some credit for at least getting it in to the US version in time - a lot of devs don't bother.
kangarootoo
18/01/08 @ 12:49
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@MBar and bdc

Its not Sony that made the decision, it was Naughty Dog. Wakey wakey.
caligari
18/01/08 @ 12:50
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@ Artemis

The platforming sections are shite? Perhaps you're just shite at the game. ;)
drxym
18/01/08 @ 12:53
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Who cares about 1080i? There are very few sets where it would make the slightest difference. Even in the US, the only people who seem to care are the very vocal, extremely small, and dwindling number who own 480p/1080i sets. Europe very sensibly ensured that all "HD Ready" sets must support 720p and 1080i irrespective of their screen resolution. As 720p is common, there should be no issue playing at that resolution.

Even if Uncharted did support 1080i, it would do so by employing one of the PS3's video modes that sacrifice horizontal resolution to give it to vertical (think anamorphic projection), so it probably wouldn't look any better.
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JediMasterMalik
18/01/08 @ 12:55
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You lot are missing the point, a few people have sets which do 1080i but not 720p, so no 1080i means they go down to SD resolutions.
Boob_Man
18/01/08 @ 12:58
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I think also, it goes to 576P and not 480P.
BobsUncle
18/01/08 @ 12:58
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"a few people have sets which do 1080i but not 720p, so no 1080i means they go down to SD resolutions."

Serves them right for being cheapo shits buying crap TV's, then.
Les
18/01/08 @ 13:08
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"I compared 1080i and 720p on with my 360 and thought 720p looked better anyway."

Yeah, but that's not the problem. People with some TV sets that support 1080i but not 720p get neither but 480p. And that's definitely worse than both 1080i and 720p (once you've seen either of them; the problem with HD is that going back to SD detracts from the play experience while the upgrade doesn't add).
oreillymj
18/01/08 @ 13:19
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HD-Ready sets only have 736 vertical lines so 1080i on these sets is some sort of fudge.

I'd stick with 720p unless you have a "Full HD" 1080p capable set. Your not missing anything. If fact not what you won'tsee is the flicker caused by viewing an interlaced display.


Artemis_Matsas
18/01/08 @ 13:22
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@caligari

Oops... the truth is finally revealed :P

Seriously now, sometimes i'm really confused in these sections. Maybe it's true that i'm not too good at it because i don't hear anyone else expressing the same opinion.

So... i guess it's my fault then.

/goes away crying
rhinoxious
18/01/08 @ 13:23
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"You lot are missing the point, a few people have sets which do 1080i but not 720p, so no 1080i means they go down to SD resolutions."

I don't think anyone is missing the point, its just such a small number of peopleare effected in europe that the discussion has moved on to 720p vs 1080i.

Slamhound
18/01/08 @ 13:31
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WWAD?
crickson
18/01/08 @ 14:11
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Is it generally true that 'the PlayStation 3 does not discriminate against games from other regions'? Or is it just Uncharted:DF?

Sorry if that's general knowledge - I had no idea the PS3 wasn't region-locked.
JediMasterMalik
18/01/08 @ 14:20
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It's not locked, the content is just ever so slightly different.
aabyssx
18/01/08 @ 14:27
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Do NOT use 1080i !!!
It's a terribly bad format. Use a smaller but NOT interlaced signal instead if your TV does not support 720p or 1080p.
oreillymj
18/01/08 @ 14:34
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BTW cheapo PC monitors are a waste of time with the PS3 unless you get one with HDCP or get that little gadget which strips HDCP.

Can't remember the name of it offhand, but surprised it hasn't been removed from the market yet.
DB2k
18/01/08 @ 15:40
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i thought if a TV didnt support 720p it didnt count as an HDTV here in the UK anyway
zoidberg
18/01/08 @ 16:07
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Shouldn't all games run at 1080p, like the PS3 promised?
JamieR
18/01/08 @ 16:27
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I want that game why haven't i bought it yet -_-
farticusmaximus
18/01/08 @ 16:38
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@Zoidberg - *ahem* I think you mean dual 1080p outputs?
darkphoenix
18/01/08 @ 16:52
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dual 1080p and 120fps ( HUNDRED TWENTY FRAMES PER SECOND ), get it right!
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Apologie
18/01/08 @ 16:53
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Gamesradar reported way back in mid June,2007 that Crysis might be coming to the PS3. Apparently a new rumour has surfaced on Gamesradar claming that Crysis is indeed coming to PS3.

"Even before the PC version released, rumours of a PS3 conversion of the stunning Crysis (developed by Far Cry creators Crytek) were rife, and not far off the mark if insiders at the studio are to be believed. The game looks to be a port of the PC original plus some extra modes and features, a kind of Crysis 1.5. Like the PC game you can expect a visual powerhouse; an open-world shooter that begins on a beautiful tropical island before things take a turn for the worse and aliens from a parallel world stake a claim on Earth. Only the mighty Killzone 2 could possibly hold a candle to this shooter. For technical reasons we hear an Xbox 360 version of Crysis isn’t in development. Bet you’re glad you bought a PS3 now, eh? "

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-101081.aspx
Slamhound
18/01/08 @ 17:09
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To answer my WWAD? earlier, it seems the answer is "post something utterly irrelevant to the current discussion."

Well done, Apologie. you never cease to amaze me.
farticusmaximus
18/01/08 @ 17:23
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Awww dont blame Apologie, the little thicky doesnt know what he's doing... bless...
smelly
18/01/08 @ 17:56
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lol

(remembers when sony was touting ps3 as the only "true" hi-def console)
Apologie
18/01/08 @ 18:13
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@Slamhound

To answer my WWAD? earlier, it seems the answer is "post something utterly irrelevant to the current discussion."

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Do you think "No 1080i in Uncharted PAL after all " is relevant??? god bless you son.... let's just say that Crysis coming out for the Ps3 is something from my prespective a little more relevant ok..... ;)
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peterfll
18/01/08 @ 18:20
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Perhaps if it was a bigger problem for Europe (nee Morris) they would release a patch.

Still, where's the 1080p Sony? Then it wouldn't be a problem. I thought by default - especially platform exclusives - would support 1080p.

Of course, its a smashing looking game as it stands. But Sony are the self-proclaimed 1080p kings.
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smelly
18/01/08 @ 21:54
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Problem with 1080p (or indeed 1080i) is that it'll nuke your framerate.

I think it'll be VERY rare to see games over 720p...
NinjaWilliams
18/01/08 @ 22:34
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UK gets shite stained again, surprising? not really! LIVE WITH IT or DEAL WITH IT PPL! lol
Les
18/01/08 @ 23:01
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Just import. Especially for UK residents this shouldn't be a problem at all and often way faster than waiting for the EU version, let alone much cheaper. This is a non-issue.
Royal Fool
19/01/08 @ 10:19
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kangarootoo:
"Its not Sony that made the decision, it was Naughty Dog. Wakey wakey."

Since Naughty Dog is a Sony-owned studio, I'm quite certain they had a part in the decision making process.

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