MGS3 Subsistence dated

By Tom Bramwell Published 14 July, 2006

At long last.

After wondering around in a daze for about six months having sworn it'd forgotten something, Konami arrived breathless in our inbox this morning to announce the European release date for Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence.

It's due out in October on PS2, apparently and comes on three discs, expanding the original MGS3: Snake Eater with new game modes including online options, and recreations of two MSX Metal Gear games from way-back-when - along with a three-and-a-half hour movie cobbled together from the game's cut-scenes on the third disc.

As you'll know if you've been following Subsistence, which came out in the US and Japan about 400 million years ago, this one adds in a 3D camera that Kojima Productions reckons improves gameplay enormously. So much so it'll be including it in MGS4 for PlayStation 3.

There are also new Sneaking Missions, Capture Missions, Rescue Missions, deathmatch and team deathmatch modes to play over PS2 Online.

So, not long to go. Sort of.

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Comments (38) Latest comment 6 years ago

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  • theiceman #1 6 years ago

    Woohoo. First! About bloody time MGS3 Subsistence comes out.

  • askew #2 6 years ago

    No news of a PC release? ;_;

  • Kiigan #3 6 years ago

    About fucking time.

  • AcidSnake #4 6 years ago

    Exactly...
    I don't own a PS2...
    I just have The Twin Snakes and Substance, and I love them!...
    I need the third installment!
    (fifth official installment...I know)

  • Universal_Hamster #5 6 years ago

    Cant wait for this new "Playable" version of MGS3.

  • Hog-lumps #6 6 years ago

    hoorah, this is long overdue!

  • Zero Beat #7 6 years ago

    If they expect more than £20 now they're taking the piss.

  • Steroyd #8 6 years ago

    If they expect more than £20 now they're taking the piss.

    and take the piss they shall...

    I stopped playing on 3 to wait for the fecking subsistance game because i heard your original save files won't work on this one...

    And i wanted to play online with the new camera, geez i thought it would never come.

  • Nostromo13 #9 6 years ago

    imagine the delay that europe will have to suffer for mgs4...thank goodness for region free ps3 (that sorta rhymes, right?).

  • Aysir #10 6 years ago

    "If they expect more than £20 now they're taking the piss."
    It's not exactly a cut down game or anything. It's the full MGS with a brilliant (from what i've heard) online mode and a far better camera angle (which i've played). £30 would be easily justified by this. If it was just the online and didn't include the main game in all it's new angle glory, then £20 would sound right, but it does have everything...
    Still the delay is a but ridiculous...

  • stuarty_2003 #11 6 years ago

    Nostromo, I thought it was region free only if the developers let their games be region free? In a similar sort of way that the 360 is region free, as long as the developers don't region lock their games?

    I may be mistaken.

  • Steroyd #12 6 years ago

    Hideo Kojima has already said that because Sony are making a big effort to make a worldwide launch he wishes to do the same with MGS4.

    Not just that think of the money he would lose with people importing from the US.
    With that said the same would apply to every other Japaneese developer now.

    /laughs Maniaclly

  • Bits #13 6 years ago

    How come this isnt on Xbox like MGS2?

  • aine #14 6 years ago

    About fucking time indeed. I've been holding out on getting MGS3 until this came out, never thought it'd take them this bloody long.

  • JediMasterMalik #15 6 years ago

    No all PS3 games will be Region free. As far as I know anyway, I am pretty sure though.

  • Zero Beat #16 6 years ago

    The US version was cut price (and further cut now it's been out so long) that's why it should be a £20 game.

    EBGames - $30
    Edited by 1 at 14/07/06 @ 16:57

  • tonynibbles #17 6 years ago

    Played the beta. Online is fucking wicked. Really well executed...

  • trevd72 #18 6 years ago

    Playing through this now and the camera is mint. class game cant imagine how you guys played the original.

  • Perry #19 6 years ago

    JediMaster - I thought there were some comments earlier this week which stated that the PS3 games model that is the closest fit is the PSP, which is indeed region free.

  • Mordum #20 6 years ago

    "along with a three-and-a-half hour movie cobbled together from the game's cut-scenes on the third disc."

    please tell me thats a joke... had enough of the cut-scenes when playing the game, the last thing I want to do is watch the whole lot of them all over again.
    Maybe its just another reason for Sony to justify forcing Blu-Ray on us...
    "look how many discs were needed for all this content, if only we had Blu-Ray, then we'd only need one disc"... even though the actual game needs only one.

    Anyway, as far as the release itself, I'll probably consider picking it up... although it will need to offer a hell of alot to persuade me to buy the game for a second time, new 3D cameras and online options isn't enough.

  • ecureuil #21 6 years ago

    Three discs eh? If only there were a bigger capacity optical disc.. we can only dream.

  • JediMasterMalik #22 6 years ago

    @Perry - Yeh that sounds about right.

    @Mordum - Only problem with that is MGS games aren't CGI, ever. He always uses real-time cut-scenes. I do still think though that blu-ray can help games, but I seem to be in the minority on this issue.

  • Mr_Brown #23 6 years ago

    October...bastards...I'll have Final Fantasy XII and Rogue Galaxy by then...this should have been a summer release. The fools, lost half their sales now.

  • JediMasterMalik #24 6 years ago

    Are we getting FFXII at the same time as the Americans. God I hope so.

  • Nostromo13 #25 6 years ago

    i blame sony (for some reason) i mean, when the hell is kingdom hearts 2 coming?

  • JediMasterMalik #26 6 years ago

    http://ww w.play.com/Games/PlayStation2/4... Says 04/08/2006.

  • Nostromo13 #27 6 years ago

    thanks jedi, i use GAME's website for all my release date needs...normally. They still have it listed as Q1 2006.

  • tonynibbles #28 6 years ago

    Why the hell would you use a retail website for release dates?

    w1n

  • JediMasterMalik #29 6 years ago

    Tony you fool. EG have KH2 listed as "Out now".

    http://ww w.eurogamer.net/game.php?game_i...

    Yup uber reliable.

  • Hunam85 #30 6 years ago

    The multiplayers awesome if anyone cares :p

  • dadrester #31 6 years ago

    kind of releived that it's october... i thought it was going to be september and i'm very skint at the momnet... can't justify 2 games in one month... well not new full price games anyhow... now i won't have to toss up between this and okami

  • captain-future #32 6 years ago

    FINALLY!

    I'm looking for the 3D camera and the MSX metal gear game.

    BUT: where's the Metal Gear Saga Vol. 1 dvd that was packaged with pre-orders in the US?

    also: price??? 30 GBP / 50 EUR from play.
    [link url=http://play.com/Games/PlayStation2/CART/ 3-/718086/-/Product.html?cur=257
    ]http://pl ay.com/Games/PlayStation2/CART/...[/link]
    Edited by 1 at 15/07/06 @ 19:16

  • darkphoenix #33 6 years ago

    MG3 playability was a complete nightmare, all thanks to that rotten fixed camera angles.
    Being constantly spoted or shot by enemies outside our visual field, was very frustrating.

    Subsistence is at least twice as good as Snake Eater because this time we really get the chance to play the game properly, instead of being just a collection of bad edited cut-scenes and frustrating stealth/action scenarios.

    The new camera truly lifts the game above competition and puts it right at the top 128bit titles.

  • NegativeZero #34 6 years ago

    I've never been able to understand the appeal of the MGS games. I owned the first one way back, never finished it. What makes them so incredible that Sony fanboys seem prepared to sell their grandmother for the latest installment?

  • Machetazo #35 6 years ago

    ALL PS3 games are region free.
    If you watch the Gamespot video review for Subsistence, you'll see that you're free to switch between original and subsistence camera modes at any time, should you so choose.
    I'll get Subsistence if it is released (like the US version was) at a budget price point. I'm not particularly bothered about the game now, though tbh.

    (I have MGS3, just haven't started it yet - doesn't mean that I won't, though.)
    Edited by 1 at 17/07/06 @ 07:35

  • Talha #36 6 years ago

    @NegativeZero: As you say yourself, you have never been able to UNDERSTAND. Now if you don't, why the heck are you messing with it? And why do you think everyone liking MGS series is a Sony fanboy?

    The franchise has seen and will see a lot of platforms - it is a game in its own right first and a PS exclusive second. You don't understand it's appeal, and that's fine. End of story. Why all the mudslinging? There are plenty of games I don't like but I don't hate people who like them. Why is that so difficult to understand?

    And by the way, Subsistence is one of the best-reviewed expansion/re-releases in history. I guess all the gaming mags and sites are Sony fanboys, then. Not only it removes the frustration of fixed camera angle, it also bundles in the first two instalments and gives an additonal online mode which is completely separate from the main game. An intangible benefit is that you are able to see the game's incredible graphics with much more freedom, not to mention actually survive long enough from enemies you can actually now see. So it seems there are plenty of reasons to celebrate for us Sony fanboys! ;-)
    Edited by 1 at 17/07/06 @ 08:51

  • Triggerhappytel #37 6 years ago

    "kind of releived that it's october... i thought it was going to be september and i'm very skint at the momnet... can't justify 2 games in one month... well not new full price games anyhow... now i won't have to toss up between this and okami" - dadrester

    ...Would that be the same Okami which is out next Spring?!

    I have MGS 3, but might consider buying this too. I'd like to own the 2 original Metal Gears, plus the new camera is a really strong plus point on what was already a brilliant game. Will certainly consider this if it's under £20.

  • robsta2 #38 6 years ago

    October release is just plain wrong! ive been waiting for this game since being taunted by the americans playing BF2 online in MARCH. Come october brits will stroll online on subsistence and get literally raped by players from over the world who have had this game for what already seems like a century.

    How hard is it to translate from American into British ffs!?

    I have the American version already and have played all the new features but the only one I desire "online play" which the DNAS does not allow me to access, probably because it is an import and they do not want us european gamers gaining cheaper games through buying imports and thus obtaining at cheaper rates through currency exchanges.

    IS THERE A WAY I CAN PLAY MY IMPORT ONLINE? ARE YOU EQUALLY PISSED OR IS IT JUST ME??? ARE EUROPEAN GAMERS CAVEMEN?NO? THEN WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT ICE AGE BEFORE WE OBTAIN WORTHY RELEASES????