Microsoft UK defends Kinect price

By Oli Welsh Published 29 July, 2010

"You don't have to buy anything else."

A Microsoft UK rep has defended the £129.99 price tag on the Kinect motion sensor for Xbox 360, pointing out that a single unit delivers the complete multiplayer experience.

"The camera tracks six people - with two active gamers - you don't have to buy anything else," group marketing manager Brett Siddons told TechRadar. "I'll let you do the maths, but when you say Nintendo Wii or PlayStation Move you buy this and this, even for a two player game."

"What do you need and what do actually have to spend for a two player game for this device versus that device?" asked Siddons. "You actually find that [Kinect] is very competitively priced."

TechRadar points out that to buy a full PlayStation Move set-up for two players - consisting of a £49.99 bundle of Move and PlayStation Eye, £39.99 for a second Move controller and £29.99 each for two Navigation controllers - would cost £150.

Update: Sony has clarified the pricing of Move, pointing out that additional Move controllers will cost £34.99 and sub-controllers £24.99. So the above bundle would cost £135, not £150. It has also stressed that the sub-controllers are optional and can be substituted with a Dual Shock controller.

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  • NimbusTLD #1 2 years ago

    I don't think you should include the navigation controllers in these comparisons. How many "party" games on Wii used the nunchuck?
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/10 @ 09:16

  • Dolly #2 2 years ago

    Most people I know in the UK will of course have to buy a bigger house in order to find a living room/bedroom with 6 foot+ of space between the TV and the couch, but apart from that GOOOOOOOOO Microsoft!

  • photoboy #3 2 years ago

    "The camera tracks six people - with two active gamers"

    You mean it tracks 2 people and ignores the other 4? Wooo, how exciting.

  • Dave52 #4 2 years ago

    What if I want to play a four player game...?

  • randompanda #5 2 years ago

    "You don't have to buy anything else" - Except games, perhaps?

  • Lankysi #6 2 years ago

    Don't those of us with the older Xbox's need an adaptor or something as well to make the Kinect work? Or does that come in the box? If not, then add that onto the price and reports in America are stating that some retailers are hiking up the price of said adaptor!!!!

  • Kalime #7 2 years ago

    It might be well priced from microsoft's point of view, but who cares, anyway nobody's going to buy this casual gaming crap at this price ^_^
    One thing to consider on top of price for total package is out of pocket price. You can adopt Move progressively, spending each time less than what you would for a game... completing your package with time... With Kinect you need to put £129 pound the table boom...

  • space_ace #8 2 years ago

    what a mean thing to say after shipping xbox without wi-fi and charging too much for it as an add-on

  • Psiloc #9 2 years ago

    Am I the only person who lets my mates bring their own controllers around for party gaming? I don't see how that comparison to Wii and Move prices is valid to anybody other than somebody buying it as a joint gift for two children.

  • SHPanda #10 2 years ago

    Why does he mention the Wii and then compare prices with Move? He shouldn't be looking or thinking about Move. If this Kinect is going to break into the casual market it needs to compete with the Wii, and take existing customers from the Wii to the 360, and persuade potential Wii customers to buy a 360 instead.

    Note a Wii comes with a set of controllers already thrown in with it because motion control is not just an add on for it, so to compare prices, if you want to play two player motion control on the 360 it's an additional £129.99, if you want to do the same on the Wii, it's an extra £70.97 (Remote, Nunchuck and Motionplus) or £47.99 (as let's face it, few games use Motion Plus).

    So Kinect is around 45%-63% more expensive for two people,.

    Oh well, I'll just stick to using my 360 pad anyway, it's built perfectly for games and while they're all off playing Kinect Sports, I'll just play some Gears, Battlefield, or FIFA (if I want a sports title), this Kinect malarky doesn't interest me at all.

    EDIT: 3 edits to fix the spelling errors, that's shameful.
    Edited by 3 at 29/07/10 @ 09:30

  • Genji #11 2 years ago

    Well, given that there's only one physical 'thing' that they're selling, you would think that Microsoft would be saving a hell of a lot on production costs. So it still seems a bit high to me.

    Oh well. It's not like I'll be buying it anyway, but I only wish enjoyment for the people that do! I have a lot of time for "casual" games and gamers, although I do think that Microsoft's E3 conference was quite condescending to them.

  • RexRunti #12 2 years ago

    To be fair no casual gamer owns an Xbox 360 alreay so the real price will be £250.

  • LiveForever #13 2 years ago

    "You don't have to buy anything else."
    Yes but I have to spend 150 euro for something with no real game support. No thanks.

  • GamesProgrammer Verified Games Team Programmer, Eutechnyx Ltd. #14 2 years ago

    Seem to remember this being Sonys catchphrase when the PS3 was considered expensive in comparison to the 360

    Also as buying nav controllers is highly unnecessary as you can just use a dual shock its a strange comparison, especially when there are no games that ive seen that have that setup so far, i would think buying 4 Moves would be more usefull altho probably even more expensive

  • roquey Verified Lead Quality Assurance Tester and Compliance Specialist, Universally Speaking #15 2 years ago

    @Dolly i have a studio flat with more than enough room for Kinect, so i shouldn't think that many people would have to?

    @randompanda Exactly the same with any other console, which is probably why it doesn't get mentioned... Its kind of a given.

    @Lankysi I believe the power supply is provided, would be insane for it not to, although this is MS

    Overall id probly ask for one for christmas, save me the hassle of spending that much. how often id use it? thats another matter...

  • MaxiSleep #16 2 years ago

    Its quite funny to see msoft use the sony ps3 arguments about value etc

  • GingerPixel #17 2 years ago

    Is it really that unusual to have less than 6ft between tv and couch? Pretty much everyone who's living room I can think of has around that ammount of space.

  • darkmorgado #18 2 years ago

    @Lankysi

    Those "reports" of retailers you are citing are clearly in your head, because Kinect doesn't need an adaptor. If you have an "old" xbox, it needs to be plugged in separately, and that plug comes in the box (noth that a standard plug costs much these days) but that's it.
    Stop inventing rubbish.

    On topic - I can sort of see where MS are coming from here, but as other people have said the Wii can't be used as a price comparison because it's motion-control out of the box, and at least with the Playstation all the bits are separate purchases and not all essential. If I'm a single-player gamer, Move will cost me half as much as Kinect, and the Wii will cost me nothing extra at all.

  • rclifford #19 2 years ago

    @Lankysi - No worries there, it works on all xbox 360's regardless of model. The source of confusion will be that the newer xbox models have an additional pass-through power socket on the console itself to make cabling a little neater. With older models it comes with a cable to plug into the wall as normal.

  • Mkwone #20 2 years ago

    I'd rather build up a collection of hardware over time than spend that much in one go.

    What sounds better.

    Heavy Rain + Move Starter kit for £90

    or

    Kinect with Kinect adventures for £130

  • JonFE #21 2 years ago

    @Lankysi:

    No, there's no need for any kind of add on adapter for those with older x360's. You are confusing Kinect's need for a powered up port to provide power to the device. The newer x360's have such a port, the older ones don't. So Kinect comes with an external power adapter in the box, in order to use it if necessary.
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/10 @ 09:32

  • LondonSquare82 #22 2 years ago

    What happens if you have an identical twin? How does it know who is who? Does one of us have to wear a mask?

  • DaemonSpawn #23 2 years ago

    More like " You don't have to buy it."
    I'd rather buy 3-4 new games and keep punching my bag (oh my god, there's no noticeable lag! And I got force feedback for free when punches land!), than pay so much for a Microsoft's version of eye-toy (knowing Russian retail, it will cost on par with Xbox360 itself).

    By the way, I've tried Camspace software yesterday (it allows to use web camera to emulate mouse in Windows - something close to Kinect, actually, but without depth sensor) with Half-Life 2, and it's pretty exhausting to play for more than half hour.

  • tomjoadsghost #24 2 years ago

    Basically, for me, the fact that they're still trying to justify the price as opposed to showing content that makes the price irrelevant is the most telling thing here.

  • anomagnus #25 2 years ago

    @LondonSquare82

    Yes, you will need masks, but due to coding restrictions, it will only recognise Richard Nixon masks

  • spinoir #26 2 years ago

    God these forum's are full of dumb asses lmfao.

  • Fletche #27 2 years ago

    But you can use a Dualshock in place of a nunchuck with Move, most people have a couple of them anyway, so we are talking (if we use 2 players as a comparison because that is all Kinect can handle actively at one time) 2 wands and a camera. So starter kit for Move I have seen for £46.99 add one wand at £32 = £78 to get you up and running with some 2 players fun and if by any chance you don't have 2 controllers, you can get the nunchuck for £23, so just over £100

    Hmmm still cheaper.

  • slippysloppy #28 2 years ago

    It doesn't matter how, or how often the price is justified, come sales figures day we'll find out if it's too expensive or not.

  • Jim_Lahey #29 2 years ago

    Defending the indefensible. The price is too high in my opinion.

  • TeaFiend #30 2 years ago

    But what about the fact most of us are social recluses who avoid contact with the outside world if we can?

  • jag10 #31 2 years ago

    my launch 60gb PS3( now 400gb with HD upgrade) with everything built in. best buy of this generation. also you can use the PS3 controller as a navigation controller. just hold it one handed, you only need the left hand side. also move is compatible with the following titles, killzone 3, SOCOM 4, Resident evil 5, Heavy Rain. and for these you only need the starter pack.

  • Jackface #32 2 years ago

    SHPanda: "Why does he mention the Wii and then compare prices with Move? "

    He didn't. TechRadar came up with the Sony prices. Read the article again.

    And negged for pointing out simple, basic facts. LOL
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/10 @ 11:19

  • Jackface #33 2 years ago

    tomjoadsghost: "Basically, for me, the fact that they're still trying to justify the price as opposed to showing content that makes the price irrelevant is the most telling thing here."

    They're trying to justify the price because we've all gone batshit crazy about the price and presumably was specifically asked about the price by TechRadar, the people interviewing him.

    Engage brain, then type... ;)

  • hahayou #34 2 years ago

    Daemonspawn's post was great until I realised "my bag" didn't mean nutsack. Force feedback indeed.

  • 00.00.01 #35 2 years ago

    @ GamesProgrammer 29/07/10 @ 09:27
    True, the nav-controller is designed as optional as every Move-title will work with one Move-controller and the Eyetoy-camera. Buying 4 Move-controllers is a no-go, have so far tested only one title that alows you to use 2 Move-controllers in a split screen config.
    My guess for PS3 is that 100% of the Move-supported titles will be playable with just one Move and the camera, and titles will be playable with just the DS3 controller as well, though the experience will be less satisfying. I think any PS3-title is always playable in the standard PS3 setting, being a PS3 and a DS3 controller.

  • spinoir #36 2 years ago

    @Fletche
    "But you can use a Dualshock in place of a nunchuck with Move, most people have a couple of them anyway, so we are talking (if we use 2 players as a comparison because that is all Kinect can handle actively at one time) 2 wands and a camera. So starter kit for Move I have seen for £46.99 add one wand at £32 = £78 to get you up and running with some 2 players fun and if by any chance you don't have 2 controllers, you can get the nunchuck for £23, so just over £100

    Hmmm still cheaper."

    ....add a game.....plus £40-50....more expensive.....and lets not forget the several games that use 2 wands.....so plus 2 wands if you want to play those 2 player.....shitload more expensive.
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/10 @ 09:49

  • Widge #37 2 years ago

    Hm. Ok possibly not the most popular opinion to have but its almost like the reversal of the initial PS3 / 360 hardware situation. MS have launched the more expensive, harder to implement system but is the “one component” solution, has potential to do some special things if the effort is put in. Sony have chucked out something simpler, adhering to a standard that is already well used (or at least similar to what the Wii offers) by developers. Its cheaper as a base unit but starts to add up the more components you add.

    If you’ve ever argued the side of “I like the PS3, its got everything in that I need!” then its going to be hard to argue for the other side now. Hence I’m not. Its going to be an interesting one to see how it all pans out really. All down to getting games and developers on board, doing “motion control exclusive” games (because if you can play with the pad, where is the incentive?”. Could very well be both efforts tank, but I don’t think that’ll happen personally.

  • geeza2020 #38 2 years ago

    why MS ever thought this was going to be a success and sell well is beyond me.

  • StooMonster #39 2 years ago

    Kalime: anyway nobody's going to buy this casual gaming crap at this price

    Well that's wrong, I am going to buy one.

    But then, I've demonstrably got more money than sense ... glances at iPhone 4, can't hold a bloody phone call (even with stupid bumper that arrived in the post yesterday).

  • Nighthawk_08 #40 2 years ago

    Fuck you Microsoft. I DO NOT play splitscreen games. Even if I did it would be rare so don't go tellin me it's cheaper when 95% of the time I'm playin solo, or online. It's a fuckin rip off for a camera. Plus WTF is "track 6 players, 2 ACTIVE" isn't that just 2 player??????

  • myiagros #41 2 years ago

    I think you will find the RRP of the move controller is actually £34.99 and the sub controller is £24.99, and both can be got for less than that.

    Based on the RRP the true cost of a 2 player move setup is actually £134.96.

  • Mkwone #42 2 years ago

    Another price comparrison? This time the most basic packages - minimum hardware + game

    Move Starter bundle (£42.85) + Sports Champions (Or the Shoot or Start the Party) (24.85)= £67.70

    Kinect + Kinect adventures = £124.86


    Thats the best prices i've seen (Shopto)
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/10 @ 09:55

  • spinoir #43 2 years ago

    @Mkwone

    Another price comparrison? This time the most basic packages - minimum hardware + game

    Move Starter bundle + Sports Champions = £67.70

    Kinect + Kinect adventures = £124.86

    ...Another fail....the archery at least needs 2 wands so dont forget the extra gear for player 2 on move! And dont say you dont need a nunchuck....to play as its intened you need a nunchuck,,,,,hold that pad sideways now....fells good right?.....right?.....right? lmao

    Edited by 2 at 29/07/10 @ 10:00

  • Jackface #44 2 years ago

    "But then, I've demonstrably got more money than sense ... glances at iPhone 4, can't hold a bloody phone call (even with stupid bumper that arrived in the post yesterday)."

    That's a problem with where you live, then. You must have a shit signal reception in that area, because everyone but everyone acknowledges that even in worst case scenarios the bumper mitigates the reception issue so completely that calls stop dropping due to the 'death grip' when the bumper is used.

    Unless you're in a virtual dead zone, in which case nothing will help you, don't blame the phone.

  • TheNinkyNonk #45 2 years ago

    What's most appaling about this statement is that it flies in the face of their usual rhetoric when it comes to their hardware - buy basic and upgrade bit by bit . This is typical PR moving sand bullshit. I don't think MS have a clue where they're going in many of the sectors they have their fingers in. And I'm glad I sold my 360 last month.

  • Nighthawk_08 #46 2 years ago

    @spinoir

    Right smart ass, fuck the price, just tell me, when you shell £130 for that heap of shit. WTF will you be playing on???that's what confuses me. Your defending a heap of shit with no games that are worth a shit playing. There's not even one announced that sounds good. So please explain why u are comfortable with bill gates's cock firmly up your slack asshol

  • witchdrash #47 2 years ago

    If you have to defend somethings price before it's released by desperately trying to grab at statistics and by adding up various components from other systems, some of which are optional, your add on is over priced, end of.

  • Mkwone #48 2 years ago

    @spinoir

    Sports champions can use 2 move controllers but works fully with one move on all games (the second move controller is replaced by button pressing on the move controller). Start the party only requires 1 move and the shoot uses 1 move but can support 2 people (possible more but i've only seen a max of 2 people playing). Non of those need or have even been demoed with a nav controller in sight.

    If you read i said minimum hardware it's the absolute cheapest minimum set up (presuming you don't already have a PSeye camera for the PS3)
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/10 @ 10:09

  • speed182 #49 2 years ago

    Hahaha, what about games you plonkers.

    MS fail.

  • dr_shambles #50 2 years ago

    "You dont have to buy anything else"

    Yes, and I don't even have to buy this. £130 saved.

  • menage #51 2 years ago

    I´m buyuing games for that money, not going near this softwareless mess it is now.

  • spinoir #52 2 years ago

    @Nighthawk_08

    "Right smart ass, fuck the price, just tell me, when you shell £130 for that heap of shit. WTF will you be playing on???that's what confuses me. Your defending a heap of shit with no games that are worth a shit playing. There's not even one announced that sounds good. So please explain why u are comfortable with bill gates's cock firmly up your slack asshol "

    Wow someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning lol

    Im not getting it just yet, but i see the potential and the value for the target audience.....FAMILYS WHO WANT TO PLAY CASUAL GAMES!.....People who want to just jump in a play a simple game, dont want to fumble around with buttons and sticks, and dont have to worry about taking extra controllers everywhere they go. Not sad gimps who stay locked in a darkroom all day when the sun is out trying to get your trophys/acheivements....whining "theres no games for me yet so im gonna pooh pooh on it". Besides how many kinect games have you played....oh wait....a big fat doughnut. Most people who have actually played some of these games agree that you dont get it til you play it.......well apart from Joyride aparantly that blows. lol.

    At least theyve done more than flat out rip off wii controllers. lmfao
    Edited by 2 at 29/07/10 @ 10:25

  • Widge #53 2 years ago

    yes, lmfao

  • spinoir #54 2 years ago

    @Mkwone

    Sports champions can use 2 move controllers but works fully with one move on all games (the second move controller is replaced by button pressing on the move controller). Start the party only requires 1 move and the shoot uses 1 move but can support 2 people (possible more but i've only seen a max of 2 people playing). Non of those need or have even been demoed with a nav controller in sight.

    Its a fair point dude but its not the full experiance if the movements can be replaced with a button press.

  • Nighthawk_08 #55 2 years ago

    @spinoir

    Dude if playing casual family games gets your rocks off the kinect is for you, but jumping round my living like a prick just ain't for me. Your right, I do play games in a dark room, SAT down, surround sound on full. It's sweet. You should try it. But hell while your playing kinectimals or that fuckin raft heap of shit, I'll be on dead space 2, killzone 3, Rez gold, heavy rain socom............,

    So I wish you all the best in the future of cheap shit gaming, but if u ever get wise, add me on psn. Nighthawk_08. And I'll show you how us real gamers do it

  • Olemak #56 2 years ago

    150 quid is pricey, but then again you do get a piece of kit you could actually control a game with.

  • Shinetop #57 2 years ago

    The fact that they feel a need to defend it shows that they're aware that lots of people are unhappy about the price. Despite what their marketing research said.

    Also, what is the point of tracking four inactive players?

  • swissorc #58 2 years ago

    You don't have to buy anything else. Including Kinect just wait and buy a 3DS for the same cost!

  • spinoir #59 2 years ago

    @Nighthawk_08

    Lol you really cant read also?

    Im not a fan of casual games my friend.I said i wasnt getting one just yet but I have a son and he will love kinect.....so yeah family....target audience....duh! If kinect is not for you then why are you even commenting. The sun is out go back to your dungen lmfao

    The fact that you brought the whole "SAT down" bs to the table shows how truely ignorant you are lol

    Shit gaming......you may want to check that list of yours again, at least a couple of stinkers there.lol
    Edited by 4 at 29/07/10 @ 10:53

  • Collymilad #60 2 years ago

    You know i think the price is too high.

    However, for all the comments that ignore logic, what he says is perfectly true. If you want the full Move experience for two people, the price is pretty much the same.

  • Jackface #61 2 years ago

    It was TechRadar that put those Sony prices out there, not MS.

  • bodypopper #62 2 years ago

    Playing competitive games with Move taking turns with one controller is just as satisfying as doing it with the Wii and the graphics are prettier.
    It''s a much more pick up and play party proposition than Kinect (not having a controller takes some getting used to whereas Move is something you can hold which gives a sense of value for money) which will only really come into its own when decent software is released.
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/10 @ 10:50

  • MeBrains #63 2 years ago

    yes, Mr. Simmons, but the others leave you the choice of buying additional stuff.

    just compare to this: imagine you have a brand new console which you do not add HDD's to, nor WiFi (as a theoretical example), you could say that consumers have the choice of buying these optional parts.

  • rotmm #64 2 years ago

    Too expensive, no matter how MS try to reason it out.

  • RexRunti #65 2 years ago

    Microsoft clearly aren't looking at people who own a console already so the price comparison is most likely to be £250 for an Xbox 360 with Kinnect, £300 for a PS3 with Move (possibly £250 come Christmas) or £180 for a Wii (possibly £150 come christmas). So the questions to ask if you want to know if Kinnect will be a success (with casuals) is "Is an XBox with Kinnect £100 better than a Wii?" or more accurately "Will casual gamers feel that it is better to spend £100 extra on an Xbox 360 with Kinnect over a Wii?" We don't know the answer to this, it depends a bit on Mircosoft's marketing and whether the main stream press get as excited as they did with the launch of the Wii or iPad.

    When looked at from this angle MS's strategy doesn't seem that bad, but then I own Rockband, Steel Battalion and a Tournement Edition Street Fighter IV Fightstick so my own judge of pricing may be a little off.

  • actionfitz #66 2 years ago

    "You actually find that [Kinect] is very competitively priced."

    No actually i find that you can suck my balls.
    What if I want to play solo?
    What if my apartment is tiny and could never support 2 people, never mind 6, spazzing out in front of the TV?
    Microshaft are notorious this generation for their overpriced accessories and peripherals...
    hard drives, wifi adapters etc.
    so, i cordially invite you to eat my meaty shit.

  • butler` #67 2 years ago

    I don't know anyone without 6ft of space between their TV and sofa.

  • spinoir #68 2 years ago

    Same here. Do you all live in barracks?lol

  • spinoir #69 2 years ago

    @trebell

    Awesome find man Zavvi have got a few bundles with an extra game all £135.
    Edited by 2 at 29/07/10 @ 11:32

  • dr_faulk #70 2 years ago

    Mega ROFLZ at LondonSquare82

  • monkeywithnoeyes #71 2 years ago

    "I'll let you do the maths, but when you say Nintendo Wii or PlayStation Move you buy this and this, even for a two player game."

    Hate to point out the obvious but you kinda also need to buy a £150+ xbox 360 too. Where as the with wii you atleast dont need to buy the console seperate from the wiimote. I think that trumps needing 2 wii motes.

    The price is rediculas. It's designed to attract people who dont already own a 360..none of them are going to be able to get it for less than £200... for something thats unproven in hardware and software.

    Treat it like DJ hero. Stay away for the first 2 months and get it half the price

  • spinoir #72 2 years ago

    Getting a bit rediculous when you now know you can get it with an extra game for an extra fiver/tenner.....saving another £30-£40 and yet still you complain!lol

    Fuck it have it free! still complaining?....most probably. lmfao
    Edited by 2 at 29/07/10 @ 11:41

  • Lebowski #73 2 years ago

    Methinks the MS doth protest too much.

  • menage #74 2 years ago

    Don´t think it will drap that soon to be honest. MS are treating this like a new console.

    I still think making an add on is massive fail. A separate stand alone unit which has nothing to do with having to have 360 would have been better. This is just asking too much hassle of people who don´t have a 360. Like 32X or something.

    Has any add on periphal not tied to a specific game ever been succesfull?




    Edited by 1 at 29/07/10 @ 11:43

  • Dylbot #75 2 years ago

    Hi, potential consumers, you're wrong!

    GREAT MARKETING THERE GUY

  • brseg #76 2 years ago

    @Lebowski - agreed, they're very defensive! I thought they'd done loads of market research anyway.

    What you'd really expect is the PR people saying 'wait for the games, they're brilliant' etc, but we arent hearing anything like that, its just cold hard stats about number of bits of plastic.

  • reverandglass #77 2 years ago

    When all is said and done £130 is less than you pay for something like rock band and isn't that unreasonable for this gen. Suggesting it is comepitive against 2 player wii games is just ridiculous which ever way you do the maths and as for move there are so many possible configurations when you consider some people already have the playstation eye that you're looking at £130 -£150 worst case down to £70 - £90 best. Either set up is only expensive if there isn't decent software to back it up and it ends up gathering dust.

  • metalangel #78 2 years ago

    If you're having to defend or justify something in this fashion, it's already too late. It's a bit like all the F1 journalists recently trying to defend the sport, claiming it's not boring and giving all these reasons why. Oh wow, really? Turns out I was wrong, I shouldn't have fallen asleep. Thanks for putting me straight.

    I don't want a Kinect. Casual games suck, motion controlled games suck, I'm not moving my heavy coffee table every time I want to play "Spaz Around" or "Kinectiseizure".

    @menage: I mentioned the 32X in one of these threads before, and after some brief research decided the answer is no, not outside Japan, at least.

  • Timbercottage #79 2 years ago

    You can't get away with defending it just by comparing it to something else which is far too expensive as well.

  • vizzini #80 2 years ago

    I think most people accept that Webcams are £35 pounds or less, and fully fledged Digital8 SD video camera with Nightshot & USB streaming cost about £150 now.

    Regardless of software; which they will also charge for, they can't get away from the fact that it it still looks more like an extortionate webcam. Even if you throw in an extra £25 for the IR functionality for depth perception, a price near £60 would be more realistic; and still probably double what it will be costing to make.

    "What do you need and what do actually have to spend for a two player game for this device versus that device?" asked Siddons. "You actually find that [Kinect] is very competitively priced."

    This article comment, is an admission that they didn't even try to deliver it in a cost effective way to potential customers, but instead chose a price they thought the market would swallow. (nicka completely agree)

    When people are already unsure about the technology, it would have made more sense to delivery Kinect as near to cost price as possible; with a view to recovering revenue and making profit on good or popular games in an expanding market.

    It is no different to Windows & Office pricing, they still charge excessively, even when competing software is cheaper, and the likes of Linux and OpenOffice can be used for free.

  • BuddyChrist #81 2 years ago

    Cool. So I pay £150 to make a raft jump, make a car jump, or make a avatar dance around like a douche until the developer big guns find a way to make it relevant for the hardcore gamer....sorry, not hardcore gamer, more "gamers with an ounce of dignity".

    Young'uns with an xbox play gears and gta. Young'uns with with parents who care have a wii

  • Rack #82 2 years ago

    The RRP for a comparable experience on Move is £85 (Move Plus extra controller) or £50 (single player or if a friend can bring their own controller). You might reasonably expect someone to at most buy Move, extra controller and a sub controller which comes in at £110 at which point it completely supercedes what Kinect is capable of. There's simply no way you can say Move 2 controllers and 2 sub controllers is the basic package, it's unlikely any game will even use that much tech, if it does it will be doing way beyond what Kinect can manage and it's very unlikely one person would buy all that.

  • Beano #83 2 years ago

    Personally I have no issues with Kinect's price (Move is also expensive) - the problem for me is that they have not shown anything for it which looks interesting in any way. Nothing. Everytime I see Kinect demonstrated, I think about Eyetoy.
    Sorry Microsoft, but no sale. Maybe later when/if some good software shows up.

  • Whatsfor #84 2 years ago

    My local landfill site is going to look like a Microsoft expo what with all the RROD xbox's, HDDVD drives and soon to be kinect cameras!

    This was worth the negative karma!

  • Lankysi #85 2 years ago

    @darkmorgado - before you go slagging people off, maybe you should check the facts!! I don't invent stuff, what would be the point of that? Maybe you live in a dreamworld with "friends" and you seem to think everyone else is the same.

    @everyone else - I didn't think there was any need for anything extra for Kinect if you had an older 360, just another plug socket, but this story came out yesterday [link url=http://www.ironstarmovement.com/profil es/blogs/is-eb-games-really-charging
    ]http://ww w.ironstarmovement.com/profiles...[/link]

    Having had a closer look now, it seems that EB Games (read Game in the UK), are charging for what looks to be simply a USB extension cable!!!!!! Absolute rip-off if you ask me. $50 is around, what, £30?? Makes me a little worried as to how long the Kinect cable will be to hook up to the Xbox

  • Stuz359 #86 2 years ago

    What about if you don't already own a 360?

  • Arwin #87 2 years ago

    Indeed, and then of course
    - most games that work with both Navcon/Dualshock and Move will less likely be multiplayer in the first place,
    - then those that are multiplayer will mostly be 'sit down' games like Resident Evil 5
    - and then these can have the Navcon substituted by the Dualshock fairly comfortably
    - which everyone will have at least one of already

    So yeah, I think most people will get just the one or two moves. Though some former Wii owners will be forgiven to think they absolutely need the navcon.

  • Spydy #88 2 years ago

    I honestly can't wait for the epic fail Kinect is about to unleash.

    A device that's flaky at doing the thing it's meant to do (track people), has dreadful lag, can't track you sat down, a library of games that are absolutely pathetic and is way over-priced.

    Bring it on.

  • LondonSquare82 #89 2 years ago

    Anyone else starting to miss the days where you played games with a joystick which had a single "fire" button on it?

  • banjo21 #90 2 years ago

    MS should have some pride and just stay away from this market. Yes it made a bunch of money for Nintendo as they conned their way in to so many cupboards (the ones you put embarassing purchases into , too expensive to throw away but too big and useless to be given space on view). It wont however make any money for MS as
    a) all the thick people have already had 4 years to buy a Wii. Even the pond life amongst our population would have got there by now if they wanted to.
    b) even the die hard stragglers aren't going to look for a wave your arms around like a tw*t game on the 360 platform. You want to act like a fool go buy a Wii, you want a games machine buy a 360, you want a multi purpose media/games machine that doesn't blow up every 6 months buy a PS3. Simple.

    MS should concentrate on ensuring we have great games on a quiet, robust platform. Thats their 3 issues in a nutshell.

  • Widge #91 2 years ago

    No. I still remember playing Streetfighter 2 on the A500...

  • StooMonster #92 2 years ago

    @ designerheadache: Hrm... Kinect cheaper than iPhone 4. It's lovely in everything it does, except reliable phone calls.

    Anyway, my kids are already drooling over Kinect; although they'll prolly play it for a few hours and then get bored. However, why this works for me:

    I'll give Kinect to them at Xmas, so when in-laws are visiting and wish to install themselves in living room and simply sit and watch broadcast television all day long they will be unable to do so because my kids will be monopolising the big screen (and hopefully playing loud annoying music) whilst jumping all over the room, screaming, and generally going mental.

    That's actually worth more than price of Kinect to me. =)

  • Widge #93 2 years ago

    The PSPgo would need to be purchased first for it to fill a landfill.

  • Darren #94 2 years ago

    I agree that Kinect is better value the more players you add and for an existing Xbox 360 owner who can get together with a group of family or friends every weekend it'll definitely be a worth buying as it'd pay for itself over time.

    However, most newcomers won't see things like that, they'll just walk into a shop, see the price of the Wii, PS3 and 360, all packaged with their respective motion-controllers and likely end up walking out with the Wii because it will be perceived to be better value. More so when you consider that Nintendo will more than likely drop the price of the Wii in the run up to Christmas anyway as sales are starting to drop so they need to do something to stimulate them.

    The success of Move and Kinect will very much depend on whether existing PS3 and 360 owners buy them I think; I don't think either will attract new gamers like the Wii does because they're too expensive in these recession hit times.

  • darth_paul #95 2 years ago

    though times over at Microsoft's Marketing Department :p

  • Widge #96 2 years ago

    Existing owners will buy, everyone has their favourite primary system and will go out and get the new toy to go on it! Its whether they can translate user base into motion exlcusive games, that'll be the key. If one just doesn't get any games, then it'll die off as the devs put their flag behind the other method.

    This is why I think remote waggle could be a key. Make game on PS3, port to Wii, and that is two large segments of the console market catered to easily.

  • MrChuckles #97 2 years ago

    Just out of interest, who here is going to buy Playstation Move or Kinect?

    I'll start, i don't have a Wii, i have a PS3 and an Xbox 360, i'll be buying neither of them.

    Playstation Move 0 - 0 Kinect

  • apoc_reg #98 2 years ago

    Xbox 250gb & Kinect with game= £349.98

    Ps3 120GB, move & camera pack with demo & sub controller = £324.97

    Factor in the large xbox hard drive and if you ask me they are neck and neck. Who really cares it sthe software that will count!
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/10 @ 13:03

  • Widge #99 2 years ago

    I'm considering Move. Although I haven't touched a game for a good few weeks now...

  • Widge #100 2 years ago

    Then again, I wouldn't consider Kinect because wtf would I plug it into? The microwave?

    !

  • Mkwone #101 2 years ago

    I can't see Sony or MS stealing too many customers from Nintendo. I think more sony owners will buy move than 360 owners will buy kinect.

    Cost is an issue but so is the level of gaming offered. Move works with tradional games (shoot'em up's, RTS, platformers)- things people bought a PS3 for. Kinect has minigames and very pysical gameplay 360 owners didn't buy their console for those sorts of games.

  • Bartacus #102 2 years ago

    Microsoft have designed a plaything for rich type's like them selves, with huge houses.

    I hope it fails.

    Stupid selfish pricks.

    PS move is far better for gamers.

  • Gastrian #103 2 years ago

    So lets see, we've got a lot of commentators on a heavily slimmed down story sourced from another site which includes quotes from a sales rep at a Kinect stand for a trade show....hmm, okay....

    How about instead of knee jerk reactions we have more subjective thinking. Microsoft UK "Defends" Kinect price? First off how do we know he was defending anything? This wasn't a seminar, he didn't take the stage at a conference and tell a crowded room this, he responded to an interviewer who did not tell us what they said. Techradar may have just asked the question, "Do you think Kinect is competitively priced?" and was given a straight forward answer of "Yes, and these are the reasons why". That wold not b e defending, it would just be a normal explanation.

    Without knowing the context, the quetsion/statement leading to the response or the full answer without paraphrasing then any quotes used are relatively useless as they do not paint an accurate picture and you are relying solely on the writer's opinion.

    Just because the news piece is "sensational" journalism it doesn't mean you response has to be as well.

  • White_Westie #104 2 years ago

    I've never thought of it that way.... If you have friends around for the "socialable" experience then you would need 2/4 ps accessories, wouldnt you.... hmmm...

    Both Kinect and ps move have redeeming qualities - I was more focused on Kinnect at the time, but the more I look at move, the more I like it, kinect looks great for moving around the screen, rts, dancing games, etc. and seems like a good interface, but Im not sure how you would control a game fully (although its only an interface I am sure there will be a way)..

    However ps Move looks like you can move around in your front room with the big dildos in your hand and wang them about and actually have MORE INPUT in to a game.... its a tough decision to decide on both of them....

    I know there have been some reviews on the lag of both, but without actually trying these final versions out first hand, nobody can really comment fully on it, not a full consumer tested final build, where improvements are often made.

    I mean, some internet connections now days can have lag of 200ms. How often does everyone check their "true lag" (we are not talking about little green bars on the screen now or manufactured ping times in games) If the game dev works out to counter the lag in the design, this could "reduce" the overall device lag. i dont know why I am going on about lag anyway, I'm old, will it take that in to account....? probably not...

    I would love to read some comments from members of the public who have played a final build of both of these controls and with apps written for them, that are also final build.... but there isnt anyone out there yet that has a final build of a game / app / software and a final build of the device / firmware, etc.... so for now everything is speculation ....

    damn, 200 ms.... its alot isnt it, how quick can you count aloud to that 200 ms.... probably cant can you....
    Edited by 2 at 29/07/10 @ 13:14

  • Ryze #105 2 years ago

    "you don't have to buy anything else"

    I wont be buying anything at £130 + games.

  • chubster2010 #106 2 years ago

    '"The camera tracks six people - with two active gamers - you don't have to buy anything else,'

    Great - so the 360's resources are being used to track 4 people who aren't actually playing the game?!

    Edited by 1 at 29/07/10 @ 16:12

  • StooMonster #107 2 years ago

    designerheadache: a very long piece of string *and* two cups

    Could well make better phone calls than my iPhone 4: dropped calls, people can't hear me on the other end, not ringing and calls going straight to voicemail even with 5-bars, more dropped calls, etc. My current annoyance is that I bought a dock for said iPhone 4 too (old ones don't work) for £25, note not £24.99 but £25 is what Apple charge for iPad and iPhone docks; and now with the friggin' Bumper it doesn't fit in the dock FFS.

    But interesting point, Apple squeeze additional revenue by not dropping the penny ... seeing as Microsoft copy everything Apple does these days I am surprised that Kinect costs £129.99 and not £130.

  • Xardan #108 2 years ago

    Woa woa woooa...whats with all the Kinect hate? If you dont like it (without even having tried it) then just dont buy it. No need to proclaim your unrational hatred for Kinect and all things Microsoft in the comments section.

  • mcwildcard #109 2 years ago

    On thing that MS hasn't spotted, or Sony has exploited, is that the PS Eye has been out there for quite a while, so anyone who bought the fairly popular EyePet will already have one, therefore it's only going to be £32 for such people to get involved with Move.
    I bought the PS Eye ages ago for video chats, so Move is cheap enough for me to have a punt on.

  • Shikasama #110 2 years ago

    ARMCHAIR EXPERTS! I CHOOSE YOU!

    So many people here seem to know more about Kinect than Microsoft, its a wonder they don't all have their own companies.

  • BlinxHDD #111 2 years ago

    It's overpriced at £50 because its a broken game controller. I expect flawless reliability and a camera only solution's not going to provide that for a long time.

  • metallicorphan #112 2 years ago

    i'm still pissed off with Joyride...E3 2009 - free for Gold people......2010-not free anymore,40 quid

    and the fact that you have to stand up to play it as well,you need to stand up because you have to go round in a circle on the spot to somersalt in the game...which is pretty shit,i would of prefered it to be a simple XBLA racer

    i am still waiting for the benefits of them closing down XBOX1 Live..where are they???

  • mossychops001 #113 2 years ago

    Kinect = Sega 32X

  • Widge #114 2 years ago

    I want my living room to be dominated!

  • MrFlump #115 2 years ago

    This is a massive failing on Microsoft's part. I live alone, its very rare that i have people round let alone have the room in my flat for people leaping around the living room.

    If I were to buy this, it would be a very very expensive single player offering. I don't have a PS3 any more but the pricing for the move would have meant that I can buy what I need as opposed to being forced to buy something that supports more people that I'll never use.

    Shockingly poor pricing point by Microsoft and on this alone, I hope that the Kinect does actually flop to make them realise that they can't treat all their customers as family of 4 groups who gather round the TV to play.

  • Machiavellian #116 2 years ago

    Really when it all adds up, weather you get move or Kinect you will pay roughly the same price. Even single player will find themselves getting at least two move controllers because there are games that uses two controllers from what I saw during E3. The Nav controller is not needed since you can use the DS3 but having to play with it on your leg is sure going to get uncomfortable quick not to mention if it is used with it's motion controls, then using the DS3 will not be the solution.

    When all is said and done, it will be the games that sell Kinect and move and not the price

  • DAN.E.B #117 2 years ago

    I own a 360 and a PS3
    dont want kinect

    dont want move

    dont want waggle

    just want good games

    thats it.

  • Zero Beat #118 2 years ago

    I've got a PS Eye, 2 DualShock 3's, a SixAxis controller and several games that'll be patched with Move support.

    It's costing me £32 to get started with Move and for that £32 I get precision, buttons and rumble feedback and a rechargeable battery built in.

  • Dave52 #119 2 years ago

    I have a Wii and a PS3. I will be buying the Move (perhaps not until next year as this Christmas will probably be a 3D TV affair).

    The Kinect does not interest me at all.

  • metalangel #120 2 years ago

    @metallicorphan re: somersaults in Joyride: Seriously?! I'm not overweight or particularly unfit but that sounds exhausting, imagine trying to beat a tough challenge and having to sign around over and over and over. Get dizzy, lose balance, twist ankle and fall, spilling drinks and knocking stuff over, throw up.

  • vizzini #121 2 years ago

    trebell: One thing is for sure. if the wisdom of the eurogamers comments types is that Kinect will fail? just as Wii would? it's probably going to be huge.

    reality and gamers rarely meet.

    I think many people that knew Wii, HD and Blu-ray would be successful weren't commenting on eurogamer in large numbers then. I was too busy pre-ordering a Wii with Zelda, and playing numerous games on last gen back then to get a eurogamer account.

  • Steroyd #122 2 years ago

    NO ONES ANSWERED MY POINT . £130 is a UNITED KINGDOM price how much is KINECT in the 20million xbox360 owning USA?, Its £99 in our money, which seems far more reasonable. This combined with msofts sucess and big profile over there makes it more likely to suceed. (not too mention the widely sucessful ps2/ps3 beating ,xbox360 slim)

    There's no point to make because it doesn't cost £99 in the USA, it costs $150.
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/10 @ 15:44

  • Wedge1985 #123 2 years ago

    the potential sticking point that i can see with the kinect system is that it's limited to 2 people whereas move could potentially cater for 7 (if its like the standard ps3 controllers etc - i've no idea of the actual number supported...). If you're going to use it as a party games system then surely the more controllers supported the better.

  • ronuds #124 2 years ago

    Oh boy... a Kinect article. And the Internet Lord said: "Let the trolls crawl out from under thy bridges and infect the interwebs with their bile."

  • Widge #125 2 years ago

    and to be fair, the US response I have been reading (note: this does not mean every person in America) has been saying $99 would have been a better price, with a predictable few shouting for $50.

  • Vyggo #126 2 years ago

    We'll see in november..

    I for one think the Kinect is going to do way better than most of you expect, but I am willing to eat my words when it doesn't. Hope most of the "haters" here are willing to do the same.

    Most of you still don't seem to realise you're not the target audience for this thing (single guy in a flat like one of these commenters). The real challenge will be to lure the true target audience into buying Kinect, the families. It will be an interesting x-mas period for sure.

  • Dave52 #127 2 years ago

    But don't most families already have a Wii or are more likely to go for a Wii (given the prices)...?

    PS Move has something for core-gamers as well as families, so at the very least will offer some sort of alternative.

  • Wedge1985 #128 2 years ago

    @Vyggo

    But isn't it failing at the family market purely by being limited to only two players? Strikes me that a nuclear family ie M+D+2 kids would want to play together - or at least dad + kids.

    Equally I'm not sure how the move will do - as people have said it all depends on the software.

    Finally on a more general note, how many people actually own both an x-box 360 and a ps3? I definitely couldn't afford both so the whole comparison between the two is purely theoretical!

  • MeBrains #129 2 years ago

    like the FIRST XBOX, KINECT IS A WELL THOUGHT OUT, LONG TERM PLAN OF SOME SORT BY MSOFT FOR LIVING ROOM / COMPUTER INTERFACE DOMINATION.

    lmao!

    no, seriously?!

    lmao even more... :D

  • Steroyd #130 2 years ago

    SO KINECT works out a about £90 in uk money which makes it FAR FAR more likely to be a HIT with the massive U.S.A. xbox install base. After all the U,K, is but a tiny market compared to the monster america.

    Why are you converting $$$ to £££ to make it seem cheaper in a country that DOESN'T USE SAID CURRENCY? You'd have a point if you were talking about importing from the US but you're not.

    I really don't see the point in it, no-one went ah the PS3 is $599 in America oh well at least it's only £425 in the UK.

  • makeamazing #131 2 years ago

    @Argentlupine if you have an Xbox and kids then you might want Kinectables (sp?)... but to be honest, if it was me and i didnt have a PS3 (LBP and the Lego Games), i would probably just buy a Wii and get some pretty cheap games on that now as that would be a better overall deal (and you would get a better deal with a good range of games). If you have an Xbox, then i still think the cost in the UK is too high.

  • MeBrains #132 2 years ago

    steroyd: I really don't see the point in it, no-one went ah the PS3 is $599 in America oh well at least it's only £425 in the UK.

    quite on the contrary. dickeydon here probably said: "ps3 is £499 here, that translates to $778.99 in the States. That's gonna be a massive fail there..."

    Kinect also is 14274.0 kwanza. which is very very cheap compared to the initial ps3 price of 71946.7 kwanza. It'll surely fly of the shelves there in Africa!

  • MeBrains #133 2 years ago

    @mickey: same with KINECT AS MSOFT WILL INVEST MILLIONS in advertising this xmas , combined with the best 3rd party selling console this gen and with a new slim which even outsold the ps2's it has a 90% chance of being a big, big hit imo far more than sonys move and its "has -been playstation brand.

    What is a 3rd party selling console? and how come it is news that it is outselling the ps2?

    talking about that decade-old console and your "has been" brand. the console still sells pretty well. seems like the brand is holding its own, innit?

  • Rens11 #134 2 years ago

    At least with ps move and Wii your mates can bring around there controllers!

  • Gromit #135 2 years ago

    The most important thing for me, which everyone has forgot, is that KINECT DOESN'T WORK!!!

    As recently as E3 there have been reports of severe lag between movement and on-screen reaction.

    I genuinely think people wouldn't be thinking about the price if there were some mouth-watering games out for it.

  • MeBrains #136 2 years ago

    kinect could well be as important as the invention of the T.V. or the telephone.

    lmao again. god I love these comments! :D


    let's forget pseye did almost all kinect does over 6y ago... maybe you should read up on it a bit: http://en.wikiped ia.org/wiki/EyeToy

  • fm5858 #137 2 years ago

    I hear Microsoft are releasing a chocolate teapot add-on for the xbox in 2011.

  • Steroyd #138 2 years ago

    whats the point ARE YOU SERIOUS? the price in the usa is relevant because its the 360's biggest market and KINECT IS A LOT CHEAPER OVER THERE THAN THE UK so it may SELL MORE. get it?

    YOU CANNOT CONVERT $$$ INTO £££ AND SAY IT'S CHEAPER OVER THERE FOR AMERICANS, ECONOMICS DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

    At the end of the day the Americans will see a $150 price tag, which is not cheap, not matter how you twist it.

  • Bluetooth #139 2 years ago

    Having your daughter virtually molested by Skittles - the price is immeasurable.

  • Machiavellian #140 2 years ago

    But don't most families already have a Wii or are more likely to go for a Wii (given the prices)...?

    Why people keep saying this when the Wii continue to almost sell more than the PS3 and 360 combined. Evidently everyone does not have a Wii.

  • Vyggo #141 2 years ago

    Yeah, I have a family and I don't have a Wii. We have a DS and an Xbox 360. I will definately be buying Kinect, in fact it's already pre-ordered.

    It's a bit of a bummer that you can only play with two people at once, but we'll just take turns and enjoy watching eachother being silly.

    As for games, the adventures thing will be included. I havén't decided yet if we're going for the Dance game or the Sports game, maybe my wife will want to have the Your shape thingy. Plenty of interesting games for a FAMILY in my opinion.

    I don't really care about "less casual games" that will or not will come out. When the kids are in bed I'll probably grab my normal controller again and go crazy.

    Anyway, we will see if it will sell to other families, i think with the right buzz it could be pretty big. Most people have no clue out the EyeToy and will see this as a revolution. Look how much positive buzz Kinect got at E3, it was all over the (family oriented) TV-shows.

  • xenoss #142 2 years ago

    Hahahaa... wow, MS. Where is the Wii in all this?

    Similar experiences, eh. Give me RE5 on Kinect and we'll talk again.

    Oh wait... I don't even care for RE5 on Move. I think I'll finally get a Wii.

  • VandelayIndustries #143 2 years ago

    While I have no doubt that Kinect will shift a decent number at launch I can't help but see it nose dive in the long term. Software and word of mouth will be critical in the long term for both Move and Kinect.

    "So my K/D ratio went from 0.83 to 1.71 since using Move." ... "really!?" "Yeah yeah. Love it"

    Verses

    "It was fun for a while but moving the furniture out the way every time we want a go is becoming a real ballache..." "Really?" "Yeah, and little Timmy throws a tantrum whenever the camera doesn't recognize him." "Oh! well that's not good" "Yeah, it's going on Ebay".

    ;P

  • Zappa #144 2 years ago

    Move is a great deal and has the precision. Kinect cost way too much and is a laggy crazy chicken mess.

  • M_of_the_sys #145 2 years ago

    Well it worked for Activision.

  • vizzini #146 2 years ago

    Trebell: andthe Wii was going to bomb hard. Gamers seem to get it wrong more than right.

    It reads the same as your earlier comment on the previous page.

    Do you really believe that Kinect is going to get any traction with real gamers to gain access to people's houses in large numbers? like the Wii did

    Or are you believing that a marginally better Microsoft version of a 10 year old Eyetoy product (with Infra-Red) is going to have a Rubik cube effect on people still?

    How will Microsoft communicate to casuals (who don't care about 150ms lag) that it is different to Sony's Eyetoy to justify costing £100 more?

    Maybe there are no limits for casuals wanting shovelware, but given that the Wii is having a decline in software sales, even with a growing installed-base @70m, it looks to me that casuals aren't buying the crap quite the same as they were.

  • Kalime #147 2 years ago

    Well, good bit of hatred spread over this topic ^_^ very nice..
    What do people think about this generation of hardware crap not being important anyway, because what we all expect is full Virtual Reality in next gen of hardware? (once you have the 3D and once you have motion controller, you don't miss much to make it fully immersive...)

  • Nukemasta #148 2 years ago

    "you don't have to buy anything else" so kinect works without an xbox then?

  • ALAN_WAKEE #149 2 years ago

    F, in ell

    Thats well overpriced... £129.99 for a 1x4 inch item you could buy the whole xbox 360 slim + controller for £40 more.

    Or a Wii

    £40 to £75 seems right price for just an ADD-ON Device.

  • ALAN_WAKEE #150 2 years ago

    Too expensive just for an add on device just by the Wii at the same price.