BioWare: Mass Effect MMO "makes sense"
Would be "amazing" to "live there".
A Mass Effect MMO is not only a possibility, teased BioWare series overlord Casey Hudson - it "makes sense".
"We've been trying to think of a way that makes sense for people to experience Mass Effect with their friends. We haven't yet come up with a way to do that, so we don't have anything to announce at this time. But, obviously, multiplayer is something we want to do more of in the future as a company," Hudson told Game Informer (via VG247).
"A lot of people say that they want to see an MMO - that kind of makes sense for this universe.
"Part of what you're trying to do is save the universe so you can live in it. That's part of the promise for any great IP. It has to be a world worth saving. Mass Effect has that quality to it.
"If you get rid of the Reapers and win that," he added, "wouldn't it be amazing to just live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense."
His comments were made as BioWare announced that there will be no multiplayer in Mass Effect 3.
There will, however, be deeper RPG and equipment/weapon customisation elements in the third game. You'll also witness the return of familiar faces - Ashley Williams and Kaidan Alenko included.
The Reapers: grim.
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Stop destroying great franchises by making them MMO
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Cute.
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"Oh no! Our colony on X is being attacked! Please go kill 3 Krogan Warlords, and I will give you a shiny gun!."
If they can do it right (and I'm not sure how to do an MMO right, it's always a grind-fest with quests that seem silly when you consider that you and thousands of other people will do the same quest), then I'd love it.
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Sorry, you can't use this vendor unless you buy the DLC. You can't go on this raid unless you buy the DLC.
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The elusive unified field theory of sci-fi gaming is some combination of Elite, Mass Effect and fighting people with glowing swords. Also, extra-terrestrial rumpy-pumpy. Bioware could merge sci-fi gaming's greatest genres into one synergistic masterwork.
Presumably they'll ditch that in favour of space-armour DLC, credit farming and microtransactions.
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It's the only sci fi rpg in the market. The only one. It has no competition. It's like saying Barrack Obama is the best Barrack Obama ever.
I hate that you lot seem to like it, I hate that you think it has a good story and I hate that Bioware now wear an air of superiority because they think they have created a modern day classic. It's not. It's shit. I cry blood whenever I hear a whisper of Bioware's dialogue or have to expose myself to their ponderous, tired and unoriginal storytelling. It is frankly laughable that as a company they are heralded as the kings of storytelling in the games industry.
The shooting's good though. Shame they got everything else from the RPGs for Dummies book.
Lean forwards, lean back. Do I need to say anything more? I'm not 12.
Get some fucking taste!!!
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or more succinctly: MEh
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You sure about that? It's cool to hate!
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Ever heard of Phantasy Star, Lost Planet, etc?
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I just think it's frankly very sad that a game with a bog standard and dull sci fi setting, a frankly terrible story populated with bland characters and sub standard 3rd person shooting mechanics has become the darling of the industry. it tells me that the people who champion it have no taste and have never read a good book.
Go and read some Roger Zelazny, Alistair Reynolds and some Azimov and then come back to me.
If like me you have played pretty much every major RPG that has been made in the last 15 years or so you will realise that apart from some pretty graphics, a rather over used morality meter and actual voice acting (from shocking actors) the game of Mass Effect is indistinguishable from those I played when I was yet to grow any hair on my balls.
The quests are the same, the conversations are the same, the structure of the game is the same. You still have to do the same inane tasks so you can make it to the back room of the club. There is still the same awkward adolescent depiction of the night club complete with 'strippers' and still the same red shirt characters that you know are going to die.
It's not fucking good enough. I'm not 12, I'm 30. The genre has not progressed at all in nearly a decade. I've had enough, I want more. I think we as gamers deserve it and it fucks me off that you lot seem happy to repeatedly play the same thing over and over again.
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My investment is in the rpg genre as a whole. ME is just the focus of my ire at this specific moment. And to be honest many other moments because of it's current status in the industry.
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Guy's got anger management issues. Its a multi-million selling video-game franchise, its not someone getting off with your girlfirend or anything. Get over it.
Oh and had to get this in:
"It's not fucking good enough. I'm not 12, I'm 30. The genre has not progressed at all in nearly a decade. I've had enough, I want more. I think we as gamers deserve it and it fucks me off that you lot seem happy to repeatedly play the same thing over and over again"
Shall I call you a waaaambulance? You dont "deserve" anything you fuckwit, how much have you put into the running and growth of Bioware? Nothing? if you dont like it, dont buy it and keep your opinions to yourself.
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"Guy's got anger management issues. Its a multi-million selling video-game franchise, its not someone getting off with your girlfirend or anything. Get over it."
So when things sell over a million copies it then becomes illegal to have an opinion about them. Prick.
"Shall I call you a waaaambulance? You dont "deserve" anything you fuckwit, how much have you put into the running and growth of Bioware? Nothing? if you dont like it, dont buy it and keep your opinions to yourself. "
WE deserve. WE, not I you fucking moronic troll. We as gamers who are being spoon fed the same shit over and over again. Shit that you seem perfectly happy to keep slapping down your gappy aids ridden mouth.
And this is a fucking comments forum you decrepit retard. A place where people go to share opinions. What the fuck are you doing here? Take a wrong turn at scatlovers and doggers r us? Piss off you thick twat.
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I'm not trying to rile you up or anything, but hating the fact that other people enjoy something is completely immature. And an awful lot of people like Mass Effect. To each his own
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Stay classy.
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L'enfer c'est les autres. There's always a bigger neckbeard that does everything you do only better, making it a worthless endeavor for time-challenged people like me. If only they'd make an MMO game where leveling meant specializing (so getting better at one thing, but getting markedly worse at another), I would be interested. After all, you don't see the people from the council melee fighting with a Krogan.
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Not sure if trolling...
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You have to forgive those people that actually believe DA and ME to be good games...
Oh and who remembers killing the beholder in Eye of the Beholder 1 and immediately getting dumped to DOS, lol?
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Good points well made.
My anger is 50% exaggerated for effect and 50% built up over time hence it seeming so over the top. Either way, rage never wins you an argument. Sure makes you feel better though.
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When you've explained why it makes sense to admonish someone for sharing an opinion in an environment specifically designed for sharing opinions maybe I could take you even a little bit seriously.
Also I quite like being angry. Presumably you are not angry and you're a bit thick so maybe a bit of anger helps out.
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He called me a fuckwit. Going to scatlovers level is a perfectly reasonable response.
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Everyone who truly understands anything about games knows it all went down hill from Spacewar! onwards.
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[snobbery] .. Go and read some Roger Zelazny, Alistair Reynolds and some Azimov and then come back to me.
Not sure if trolling...
I don't understand this comment. Is this a quote from a comment that I can't see? Or am I being called a snob for suggesting people read a little before judging the merits of ME's story and universe?
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And yes, I did call you a fuckwit, but I hardy think that warrants the absolute torrent of abuse you have then thrown out at me and others here. For a 30 year old, it seems you really need to work on your self control.
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I wasn't trying to be a literary snob. And last I checked this wasn't a spelling contest. The fact that you knew who I was talking about means my point was conveyed perfectly well. Though you'll have to tell me when bringing up sci novelists became literary snobbery. last time I checked in we were still relying on the classics for indications of that.
You seem to suggesting that reading good sci fi books and then judging Mass Effect in light of what you have read is a bad idea... not sure what to say to that.
Actually yes I do, you're a fucking moron.
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'We don't have time to read any of your stupid books.'
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The only person who has received a torrent of abuse is you. Because you said something so unbelievably stupid I couldn't stop myself.
And while you are up on that high horse of yours I think you will find that it was actually you who started with the personal attacks first. Because I criticised a silly game that you only like because you lack the mental acuity to see it for what it is.
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I enjoy Mass effect, the universe although a little bland has the benefit of not being gritty (i'm sick of gritty) i have had a pleasant time whiling away several hours in both the existing games. I have heard there are plans to make an MMO in the same universe.
Gosh, i wonder how that will turn out.
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Yes you were, you were deriding people for not having the same standards as you when it comes to scifi storytelling, which is in turn due to you having a more sophisticated taste and broader knowledge base. Then spelling the name of the people you champion wrong is ironic.
I actually agree with most of what you are saying (apart from me being a fucking moron, god knows I'm more of a tossing retard), but still really liked Mass Effect 1/2. Yes the storytelling is classic messianic hero bollocks, the setting is mostly derivative of Star Wars and Trek and other space operas, and no it can't hold a candle to Asimov. However, Mass Effect is the first to do a space opera computer game right, and actually I do think Bioware has improved the genre in that your actions feel like they matter, something that I've found lacking in most other classic RPGs. It may just be smokes and mirrors, but I'm fine with that.
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They made the universe too complex to not make more use of it that way.
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Playing as a C-Sec officer in a SP spinoff, take my money BioWare.
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You're right, it came across as desrision. Not what I intended. Rather I was trying to illustrate why I would think less of Mass Effect than others.
Aside from all the hilarious internet banter and name calling (yes yes I know, primarily from me) the point I am trying to make is a serious one.
There is no doubt that compared to other computer games that Mass Effect is a more thought out, richer, character full universe with a solid game at it's core. But that's compared to other games. When you start to compare it to other mediums - film, books, comics etc then it starts to fall down for me. Now ten years ago it may well have been acceptable for something to be good compared to other games but I think that it's about time that the big sci fi opera game we are all talking about is good compared to the best the genre has to offer across the various mediums where sci fi is represented.
There is no reason why this is not possible. Well actually there is one; the need for good writing. Currently the best writers in the world do not work in games. The industry makes occasional overtures to established writers but they are not properly involved in the creative process. You only have to look at Crysis 2 to see how a great author (Richard Morgan) who was supposedly to have been involved in the story clearly had very little imput into anything. As can been see by Cevat Yerli's (sp?) 'a game by' credit at he beginning of the game he clearly had a very tight hold over the creative process. But the narrative in Crysis 2 is embarrassingly poor. Woeful and frankly I think unacceptable in a AAA game. The result, I would argue, of a game developer running the ship creatively speaking, rather than working more collaboratively with a writer of Morgans caliber.
Cevat Yerli is a game developer, he is not a writer or a director no matter how much he wishes it. Until game developers realise that they need proper creative talent rather than just a programmer with an idea this situation will continue.
Like I said before, I don't think it's good enough.
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Thats not how MMO's work, you kill it first time, then it comes back again next expansion...
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You silly little child.
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Make however MMOs you want after wrapping up the trilogy; I don't care. I'm not part of your multiplayer customer base anyway. I hate MMOs and will continue to view them as tedious timesinks akin to having a part-time job (albeit an addictive one - so I guess to make the analogy work, it's like having a part-time job that pays you in crack. Every MMO I've ever played has made me feel like a crack whore: dirty, violated, ashamed, ultimately hollow and filled with self-loathing).
Not that single-player games don't operate according to the same 'hamster wheel'/'carrot+stick+donkey' mechanisms, but at least you can fucking finish those.
(I'm still curious about SWTOR though, so if that somehow manages to change the genre paradigm somewhat, I may change my mind about MMOs in general.)
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First of all thanks for fulfilling the obligatory Monday morning righteous indignation quota. Secondly I agree with a lot of your points if not their delivery. ME2 does seem to get a lot more credit than it is maybe due in certain areas and I for one don't think it lived up to the legacy of ME1.
The games industry is in it's relative infancy, or at least adolescence, and writing for a game is not the same as writing a book. Finding a balance with game play and marketability isn't easy, but hopefully the popularity of ME as a series will lead to more games of this type being created and thereby engender an environment within which better writing can be practised.
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Oh and ME is amazing even if its generic. However I agree the first is way better than the second (story-wise) Like Spekkeh said. It does it RIGHT.
Rant over
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On the MMO front, if they did it right (whatever that means) then it should be done. More Mass Effect for me the better.
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might, i'll repeat that with italics and bold, might
which is all welll BUT we know (see what i did there?) that a Jade Empire 2 would be great, and if you reallly HAVE to go down the online road could, i don't know, feature co-op or something like that or maybe just some dlc.
Make with the Jade!
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Oh shut up. You can't berate someone for swearing and then swear. You thick idiot. And your argument that 'Mass Effect is amazing' is lucidly put and interestingly debated but ultimately I entirely disagree with you. The fact you think it is tells me you have woefully low standards and no taste whatsoever.
And you can accuse me of trolling as much as you want. At least I have put forth a somewhat more comprehensive argument than just 'it's amazing.' But then that's about as much as I'd expect from a ME fanboy.
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Fuck.
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What you would need is essentially a gigantic Co-op game that spanned the entire internet working in all things from the mundane positions to elite operative and all in between all working withing an ongoing and ever evolving storyline that everyone participates in.
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I think you will find that taste is subjective therefore if i/we like something, great, if you dont like it, great. Nobody is forcing it on you and it is highly likely that nobody cares if you like it or not.
Run along now.
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In a lot of ways Asimov is the perfect representation of videogame writing, utilitarian and built around concepts. If I was suggesting for people to read sci-fi which wasn’t just dictated by concepts, but actually demonstrated honest to goodness character and plotting then I’d probably go for Iain M. Banks or Arthur C. Clarke.
The thing I like about Mass Effect, as a story, is that it’s not beholden to sci-fi. It’s essentially 24 in space, using the setting to expand the scope of the story. I think the thing that Mass Effect has going for, it more than any other game narrative, is propulsion. Even if ultimately the main plot finds you weedling around the galaxy the micro-narratives of each mission are incredibly well paced.
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In all seriousness, I would be interested in seeing more of the Citadel (always the planet used in Kasumi DLC as well, it's local and could be done about illegal imports to the Citadel). In particular a C-Sec perspective of the Geth Attack at the end of ME1 and events between the two games. I feel Saren must have had some help being able to get into Citadel Control with a couple of geth before Sovereign showed up. Perhaps there's another traitor somewhere.
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Is that a spoiler?
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Really though.
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While it is a very good universe, the problem with MMOs is that their universes are in a state of inertia. Nothing ever changes. The Mass Effect games are driven by the story, so the MMO just wouldn't have the same charm. Not saying they can't make it work, just that the game would be drastically different to previous Mass Effect games. Bioware just couldn't expect non-MMO players to suddenly play their MMO because they like the other Mass Effect games. Basically, Mass Effect is popular but Bioware can't really expect their MMO to become popular with the same Player base. And we all know that the MMO market is pretty much dominated by WOW.
Also I don't want this to fail. In the future when I look back on the Mass Effect trilogy I want to say 'what an amazing trilogy' not 'It was pretty good but they messed it up with that crappy MMO'.
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