Left 4 Dead 1 getting new campaign
Next month. Free on PC, 560 MSP on 360.
Valve has announced plans to release a new campaign for the original Left 4 Dead next month, which will be free on PC and cost 560 Microsoft Points (£4.76 / €6.72) on Xbox Live.
Crash Course will work as a traditional co-op campaign, and includes new Survival mode maps, but its "primary goal", according to Valve, is to provide a complete Versus mode experience in just 30 minutes, streamlining the existing approach.
For Versus mode there will be a recharge timer for infected team-mates, and adjusted item-spawn behaviour. It's set in new locations and "bridges the gap between the end of the No Mercy campaign and the beginning of Death Toll", with new locations, new dialogue from the original cast, and an "explosive finale".
Valve had come in for criticism following the announcement of Left 4 Dead 2 at E3, with some fans arguing that it was reneging on its promise to support the first game - and while the announcement may go some way to assuaging their concerns, the fact there's a cost attached on Xbox 360 but not PC will likely raise eyebrows again. We've contacted Valve to ask what's going on with that.
"Since the release of Left 4 Dead last November, the design team has been excited about creating new experiences for this world and allowing players to do the same, by releasing much of our internal toolset, like the Survival Pack and Authoring Tools," Valve boss Gabe Newell said in a statement marking the announcement. "We're working with the fans toward the ongoing entertainment value of the product."
The Crash Course campaign is "targeted for release in September", with Left 4 Dead 2 due out on 17th November.
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/hangs head in shame........
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Erm, [citation needed].
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200msp is a right price, if you ask me
DFawkes: amen to that
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/signs petition.
Wait...
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Seeing as it's free on PC though I think I'll pass Valve, sorry.
/now also plans PC purchase of L4D2 instead of 360.
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Presumably anyone who pays for L4D DLC is going to play the campaign in question more than once...
*sighs*
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Mr Microsoft "Look Valve we are fed up with you giving shit away for free. If these idiots will pay to unlock cars in game they already own, then they'll pay for your new campaign!"
Mr Valve "Ok, if this is the only way to get it released... how about 400msp?"
Mr Microsoft "No, it will be at least 800msp, or you'll go straight to bed with no dinner"
Mr Valve "Fine we'll meet you half way, 600msp."
Mr Microsoft "Don't think i'm falling for that, you little tinker! It'll be 560msp and you'll like it. Not so clever now are you!"
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i will probably get 20hrs plus out of this campaign...
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...if their games were not absolutely top notch, which they are, they would probably be buried in a sea of whinge a la silicon knights
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I hope CoDMW2's DLC is free on PC as well
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While the sequel uproar was complete nonsense I think 360 owners are right to be slightly annoyed this time, another platform is getting the same DLC for free. That's not on in my book.
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Or is that too much of a stretch?
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And we can't have Bethesda look bad!
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"buahahahahah one campaign for 560msp? maximum of 1 hour of gameplay? thats the support!!!! fuck yeah!!!!
200msp is a right price, if you ask me"
One campaign in L4D means not one map and not just 30 minutes of gameplay - if you compare map quantity in any Gears Of War 2 DLC and any L4D campaign, you'll see they're the same. And that's just 560 points, not 800! Plus replayability is great, so multiply that time at least 5 times. Personally I'm quite happy with it - new campaign will suffice till L4D 2.
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shame for xbox owners though, but at least it's coming to the 360
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I'm fully aware of that, but, its like 9 months after - first they gave us something that should be already in the box -no wonder that was for free
now we have some kind of irrational price of 560msp - who is doing the maths in Valve/M$? I mean, come on, why not 420? maybe 680? but that's not the point
the point is, no matter what this is only one campaign - I've played L4D for days, and I'm sick of all four campaigns (coop and versus)
I've got that strange feeling that and gonna chew through this campaign in 2-3 days and never gonna come back
I'm not happy that Valve threw me a bone, for that price I would like a steak
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No thanks. Just because the other content was free (content which should've been in the boxed copy in the first place mind) it doesn't in any way whatsoever come anywhere near to justifying this rip-off.
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And we can't have Bethesda look bad!"
Difference is, Bethesda's DLC for Fallout 3 for example has lasted minimum (for me personally) 6 hours each, with each one charged at 800. Doing the maths, it's not even comparable.
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...and given that I have played that "too little content" for hundreds of hours across two platforms, thank the sweet Lord Jesus they didn't include more, or I wouldn't have had time to play any other games, or eat, or sleep.
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1) its VALVE - so its great there's new content - shame its not free on the 360 but hey blame Microsoft on that one if you MUST moan.
2) For the price of a couple pints and a pack of crisps you get content which I know a lot of people here will find a lot more than 30 mins value out of - especially those that love playing vs mode.
3) If people are still only playing L4D offline - you are missing out on so much its ridiculous
4) Please stop moaning - sign a petition if you like (its all the rage I hear) or better still vote with your wallet and not buy it. Simple.
mini rant over
I concede that the amount of points is a strange number. what can it all meeeeeeeeeeeeeannn???
Now then whats 'For Versus mode there will be a recharge timer for infected team-mates, and adjusted item-spawn behaviour' going to mean to actual game play eh? Interesting.
and also - for the 360 owners who will coughing up coin - what achievements will there be?
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either way I'll be buying it cos I effin love that game and each campaign is worth hundreds of hours cos each playthrough is different.
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That valve, want to encourage people to move over to pc gaming and using steam as remember that valve entirly own there games on steam and dont have to pay a publisher or micrsoft a penny.
Or
They simpley wanted to give it away free as thats what they have done in the past, but microsoft wouldnt let them.
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If you work it out in real money it's probably something that makes a bit more sense - some sort of rounded number or something.
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... Sounds like a fairly ridiculous attitude tbh. But hey, whatever floats your boat etc.
Anyway, great news! Roll on September. The survival patch gave this a fresh burst of life for me and my mates and I expect this will do the same. Then a whole new game only 2 months later? Heaven! I can't understand the complaints, tbh.
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I just hope that the modders get round to finishing the Left4Winchester campaign (based on Shaun Of The Dead for anyone who doesn't know) sometime soon. I've only seen 2 or 3 completed campaigns from the community, the rest are in alpha or beta.
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I actually have L4D both on the PC and the 360 (long story) and I might have given it a bash on the PC but I will have to download L4D and install it and patch it up and then get the new content. It will take me longer to set it up than it will to play it. And most of my friends are on XBL so its not like I will have a lot of use for the Steam version. :/
Could have been so much easier if MS and Valve had both tossed it for free on XBL as well. I dont wanna pay for something I will only try for a couple of hours at the very most.
Eh well, its not a big deal anyway. Bring on L4D 2.
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You do realise L4D is a multilayer game and as such has hours and hours of gameplay behind it? this content is like a Halo 3 map pack or a CoD:WaW map pack it adds more maps for the mp experience! If you buy it on the sole bases its a sp romp through a few maps you are deluded!
As it cost, i expect achievements for the 360 this time!!
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What do you want, 10,000 crap levels?
The content costs £4.76 not including any reduction gained from discounted points, the campaign works in all three modes and you know it'll be of a very decent quality.
So many people want the Moon on a stick....but they need all of Saturn's Moons and every other Milky Way Moon too because one isn't enough, oh no...!
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Secondly, I'm quite sure that completing Crash Course on Expert will take longer than 30 minutes anyway.
Thirdly, Survival Mode provides excellent replay value when you have a spare few minutes.
Fourthly, Versus Mode also provides excellent replay value and is undeniably wicked fun.
Fifthly, you can get 2,100 points online for 15 notes. That puts this DLC at a price of £4. That's cheaper than two pints. It's cheaper than a cinema ticket. It's cheaper than a lot of things.
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Why do people keep saying that? I have played Halo 3 MP for about 200 hours. L4D for about 20 hours. To me both contents have differant replay value. It might have the same value for money for you but it clearly doesnt for me.
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Cool. I respect it when the retarded make a virtue out of necessity.
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Regardless it does suck.
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I can't help but feel that had Valve deemed the PS3 audience worthy of its talent then this pack would be free on 360. If Valve want's the extra content out for free they could do so on PSN, just look at that massive pack EPIC released for UT3 as an example.
Also, look at all that free content released for Burnout Paradise. No way in hell were Microsoft going to enforce a charge on that if it was going to the rival console for the princely sum of nowt.
Edit: Drunken spelling hiccup
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As great as Versus is, it could have done with a revamp for Left 4 Dead 2. I rarely have two hours to sink into a single match in one go these days. Additional online modes mayhap?
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If people are stupid enough to play an FPS game on a console then they are stupid enough to pay for content that's free on the superior FPS gaming platform: the PC.
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When you go exclusive on consoles, MS has you by the balls.
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It's still not cheaper than the PC version though, which is FREE. I'd imagine that's the real reason people are complaining.
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Our Clan are paying for our own server, between use we pay 5 quid a month to keep a few servers running for different games. notting is free.
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You mean the people doing the complaining needed a reason?
If it was free, people would complain that a Versus match could be completed in "just" 30 minutes.
People would complain that there were no new weapons.
People would complain that there were only two chapters.
People would complain that there were no new Special Infected.
Certain gamers complain about everything because, for some reason, they think they're owed the moon on a stick. For free.
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/checks down back of sofa
finds sweet wrapper
finds mcdonalds french fries
finds remote
finds £5 note!
Cheers Valve! \o/
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Interesting to note how Penhalion isn't showing his face around here, after ripping into Valve for 'betraying' and 'lying' to their customers about new content for L4D.
Maybe because he has now been proven to have been totally and utterly wrong on every point he made...
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Cool. I respect it when the retarded make a virtue out of necessity.
Thanks for proving why I never want to be a PC gamer with that perfect example of the pompous self importance that qualifies 90% of the PC gaming community.
Well that and the fact that if I want to play anything that isn't a FPS or RTS I don't have to wait at least 4 months for a shoddy port riddled with DRM because PC gamers can't be trusted to actually pay for entertainment.
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The last piece of DLC also included a hefty patch ("title update"
Either way, it's not up to Valve.
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"maximum of 1 hour of gameplay?"
You have clearly never played Left 4 Dead.
And you must realise how starting a post with "buahahahaha" makes you look?
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"Difference is, Bethesda's DLC for Fallout 3 for example has lasted minimum (for me personally) 6 hours each, with each one charged at 800. Doing the maths, it's not even comparable."
Well no, I suppose its not comparable. As the DLC for FO3 has mostly been a bit rubbish (or at the very least, below expectations). Hours of gameplay isn't the only measure of quality, surely.
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You are all gamers, who gives a crap what sort of hardware you use (they are all computers on the inside anyway). Grow up.
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I just called you a retard because you behaved like one, don't read too much into it. If I had the preconceptions you assume I have (and stressed in my reply for comedy effect) against console gamers in general, you'd do a sterling job of proving them, too. As it is, I just think you're an individual idiot who happens to prefer consoles, trolls on internet sites and then whines when people bite.
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They wouldnt dare pull this shit on PC gamers.. why should they expect 360 owners to settle for it?
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None of us know what rules MS put in place. It could be to do with data sixe costs for all we know. The Survival game mode update was tiny, whereas a whole new campaign will need more storage and take up more bandwidth to delivery to gamers.
What is wrong with just saying you don't really know for sure why there is a cost discrepancy? That would be the truth, which seems like a good place to start from.
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I love PC gaming
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I love PC gaming
YAWN
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Aww. Did the poor babby pay for the gimped console version where you have to pay to play and use an inferior control system?
Of course they're looking for money for the 360 version. 360 fanatics have no problem buying multiple replacement consoles and paying for their online gaming when no one else does. It's very easy to get money off most of them.
/has never bought any content besides XBLA games
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Well if you are going to predictable AND boring, what do you want... a pat on the back? And if you think that acting like even more of a fanboy child is going to upset me, you are sorely mistaken. It just makes things twice as amusing as before.
I own a PC, and a PS3, and a 360, and I would own a Wii if there were enough decent games on the thing. At any given time I choose whichever system give me the game experience I want. I don't make any distinction between any of the systems other than the game experience they give me at any given time (and depending on my varying needs, any one of them can be the favourite for a time).
You obviously have some other sort of tribal allegiance agenda (leading you to assume that everyone else is as fanatical as yourself about unimportant tosh), which clearly involves flinging your own poo at "rival" systems.
Each to their own I suppose.
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Suck it bitch.
Oh, and an Iphone if we're counting that as a gaming platform now. I always but multiformat stuff on the PC if i can because of mod-ability and knowing that it's highly unlikely i'll be charged for DLC.
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Suck it bitch."
Oh christ, that is funny. Keep going, please do. Are you going to start showing me the contents of your piggy bank next?
Edit: Oh, and you added the iPhone too. We really are comparing piggy banks aren't we
Top marks young man. Clearly you must be a millionaire to own so many gadgets.
This reminds me of something.
/goes hunting
Here we go.
http://www .theonion.com/content/node/33490
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Also, nice going using someone elses work to illustrate your rather bewildering point.
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And as for referring to the work of others, I'm nothing if not humble (obviously).
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You see, this is where I would write YAWN again. You just can't help yourself can you.
Consoles clearly don't play games badly, or people wouldn't buy them. And yet people are buying them, in greater volumes than PCs as it happens.
So how do you explain this phenomenon (without falling back on the usual reserve of the fanboy, which is that everybody is a stupid sheep except your good self and a handful of your friends)?
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Ok we dont know what Microsoft charge to place dlc on live true.. but what we do know is that A) its VERY doubtful it costs Valve $7 per download worth to keep it on there.. so why 560point if not in aim to make them a profit? B) survival mode wasnt a huge download true..neither was the added chapters to V's (which should of been on the disc from the start), but both were offered free. And then theres the free dlc from other less selling games.. such as the 1GB+ Midnight club LA dlc. But regardless of size the fact is they were offered for free..so obviously Microsoft arent insisting that valve charge us for it - which is simply a fact.
Also, Valve are obviously aware that they're charging 360 gamers for something they're offering for free so why not add something exclusive to the 360 download? why not offer something additional thats not in the PC download? Microsoft arent preventing them from doing that are they?
Had valve also been charging for the pc version..even at slightly less of a cost to make up for the charge MS place on dlc, then it wouldnt be so bad. But it leaves a sour taste knowing that the only reason why they're allowing the charge for console gamers is because they know they can get away with such. They're already on shakey ground with the PC community..and steams worth alot more to them than their 360 install base.
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I'm not saying that MS charge Valve a cost rate and make no profit. MS will be making a profit from every bit of content on XBLive. Otherwise, why would they bother doing it?
I don't know all the answers, but that is kind of my point. The 1GB Midnight Club DLC that you refer to is a point well made. Maybe my supposition that MS are charging Valve based on data size is rubbish, maybe MS charged Midnight Club too, but they ate up the cost themselves? I dunno.
As I see it, Valve aren't charging gamers for content delivered through their own system (Steam), but users ARE being charged for the same content delivered through a 3rd party system (XBLM). On that basis it just seems reasonable to me that the cost is a result (one way or another) of the presence of said 3rd party system. If it were down to Valve, why would they not charge PC users to (the suggestion that PC gamers won't pay for extra content is patently nonsense - there are no shortage of examples out there).
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]http://ww w.eurogamer.net/articles/valve-...[/link]
"Valve has told Eurogamer that it has no intention of charging customers who download additional content for games like Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2, despite the widely spread increase of paid-for updates in the PC and console world."
[link url=http://g4tv.com/thefeed /blog/post/696431/Opening-The-Valve-The-Gabe-Newell-Intervie w.html
]http://g4 tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/696431...[/link]
"So what we’d really like to do on the Xbox is work with Microsoft so that we can do exactly the same thing that we do with PC users and say hey, everything’s free and everybody always has that."
[link url=http://kotaku.com/368047/team-fortre ss-dlc-price-is-up-to-microsoft-and-sony
]http://ko taku.com/368047/team-fortress-d...[/link]
"We contacted Valve to clarify and their VP of marketing Doug Lombardi informed us that, "The platform holder owns the final call." So just as we'd suspected, whether or not we see these maps for free is indeed up to Sony and Microsoft."
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Never said a developer wouldnt ever charge for PC content i dont believe?
What i did say was that Valve are on shakey ground with their PC install base at the moment over L4D2, and that steam is worth more to them than the 360 install base - both of which are true. You alienate the PC install base from this game by charging for content whilst everyones vocally pissed at you, you then also risk alienating them from other software on steam.
Not that they'll never charge PC players for DLC, or that its THE reason why its free on the pc.
The whole size= cost is proven to be rubbish. MS place a small charge on all dlc for server space/advertising. Which in itself shouldnt be the case seeing as all gold subs fund the live servers as it is. Sony also charge publishers btw... you may of read Capcom complaining about such as reason why some demo's werent hitting the ps3.
I think the most valid point is that Valve have a reputation for being fair, theres also no denieing that having delt with MS in the past on this very issue of wanting to offer dlc for free (to which they did so why not now?) they're in full knowledge that they will be charging 360 owners. So why then not offer something extra in that download? theres no limits placed on them there.
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Hey man, I didn't mean you had said PC games wouldn't charge. Others have said it, but I should have included a (not talking about you here) caveat.
"What i did say was that Valve are on shakey ground with their PC install base at the moment over L4D2"
I'm honestly not sure that is the case. You can never trust the vocal minority to represent the whole market, and didn't the L4D2 pre-order numbers show that barely anybody cared as much as the boycotters suggested?
"The whole size= cost is proven to be rubbish"
I'm sure it is. I was just throwing that idea into the air (much like a clay pigeon)
@skillian
All of that does seem to suggest that MS made the call.
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Seriously, where is this comment. You quote it, but I can't find it on the page - searching for the phrase you quoted only brings up your post. It might have been deleted, but I couldn't find it when the comments were only just over the first page, yet you still seem to be referring to it.
Genuinely perplexed.
/aha! Unless it's from someone I'm ignoring? Who is it? Tell me!
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its a shame its nearly a year later and this is what we finally end up with,paying for it isnt the issue for me im just gutted that we didnt get more,as i play this game daily it would have been great if valve had come good on there promises.
there will probably be another campain released soon seeing as this is a link between No Mercy and Deathtoll the next will probably be a link between Dead Air and Blood Harvest either way keep it coming valve just try and release a full campain eh?
L4D2 is a must buy for me!,lets just hope valve put more effort on delivering DLC for this one.
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"Theres no denieing that MS will charge Valve.. but they do not force Valve to charge us"
Well, its sort of an issue of semantics. If MS charge Vale, Valve have to decide whether to pass the cost on to us or absorb it themselves. If they decide their business plan can't absorb the cost, then they are being forced to charge us in a way.
I just don't think it is reasonable for us to demand that Valve should invest money in making this extra content and THEN get charged to give it to us for free!
"and they've not made Valve set the price at 560points"
Again we simply don't know that for a fact. And there is nothing wrong with saying so.
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Ah, cheers! Oddly, he's not ignored by me and if I go to Eurogamer on a completely fresh machine (and I'm talking just had XP installed, here!) and don't sign in, I can't see his comment!
Is there some kind of automatic blocking thing going on in my brain, or is this a new Psychic service from EG? If so, I wish to complain that it's still letting me see idiotic comments on the Games On Demand page, so may still need tweaking!
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"Well no, I suppose its not comparable. As the DLC for FO3 has mostly been a bit rubbish (or at the very least, below expectations). Hours of gameplay isn't the only measure of quality, surely. "
Well, that's subjective isn't it regarding quality. I got all of them except for Anchorage and Zeta and loved them all.
At the end of the day, I more than got my money's worth with all the F3 DLC, and didn't from the £35 odd I spent on L4D. It remains the only full priced game of this generation that've genuinely felt short-changed by. And before you say it, I did play MP almost exclusively, so being limited to SP only just isn't the source of my opinions.
Call it a low boredom threshold or whatever, but the environments got samey very quickly, the gameplay unbearably repetitive after just a couple of days, and the AI director not really giving me much incentive to replay the campaigns endlessly like some others did. They still felt like I was playing the same game over and over again, with the illusion of being 'different' on each playthrough not being that huge to me. It needed about 2 or 3 more full campaigns for me to feel like I got my money's worth.
Opinions opinions, but for me 560 points (around a fiver) is too expensive based on my experience of the content in the rest of the game.
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Yes its subjective. I realise that AND I was just being a bit cheeky about it.
I haven't played competetive mp in L4D, I've only played the co-op campaigns, but I've played an awful lot of those and comparings hours of fun with other games I'd say I've gotten my money's worth. I also found that upping the difficulty added more to the game's longevity. It was potentially quite short, and I'm not making excuses for it, but I just enjoyed it an awful lot.
It is a shame that we have to pay if we want this expansion, but thats just how it is I guess. And as has been discussed in this thread, it may not have been down to Valve to make that choice.
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Funnily enough, I felt more cheated by downloading Broken Steel than by getting a map pack. I enjoyed BS and getting the level cap up was nice, but once you've done it, that's *it*. Done, gone. Replayability is my key quality for getting DLC, fo'sho. Unless the DLC is *huge*.
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give VS a try its amazingly good!
the campains good but pales in comparsion too VS
for me VS is what this game was made for and what makes it one of the best online games ever made.