Killzone 2 Review

By Dan Whitehead Published 29 January, 2009

Hardcore uproar.

Version tested: PlayStation 3

It's easy to be blinded by the sideshow with Killzone 2. Any platform exclusive is going to attract the wrong sort of attention in the current console climate, and when the game in question is the sequel to a poorly received last-gen title, the stakes are raised even higher. Sitting down to evaluate it, you can feel the clutter hovering over your shoulder. Texture maps are scrutinised for the slightest flaw, frame rates obsessed over, AI team-mates subjected to Mensa tests.

Fortunately, Killzone 2 makes it easy to ignore them. Let those with vested interests debate the pointless minutiae. For those pining for a muscular, aggressive military shooter, whose console has the biggest balls soon becomes a minor concern. It swiftly becomes apparent that Killzone 2 isn't going to be pushing beyond the boundaries of its genre. That could be taken as lack of ambition, but in context it feels more like creative focus - this is a game that polishes existing concepts to a compelling shine, rather than colouring outside the lines in search of new patterns.

So it is that you find yourself controlling Sgt. Tomas "Sev" Sevchenko, one of a quartet of tough-talking space soldiers tasked with bringing down the despotic Visari and his Helghast armies. Visari has stolen an experimental nuke which could turn the tide of the war, and you're in the midst of the spearhead battling to retrieve it before the launch codes are compromised.

Joining you are Master Sergeant Rico Velasquez, a grizzled veteran of the first game; Lance Corporal Dante Garza, who fills your quip-happy good ol' boy quota; and Corporal Shawn Natko, the obligatory possibly-psychotic demolitions guy. All could have been drawn from any shooter of the last five years, and it's only the mixture of convincing animation and above-average voice acting that brings them to life. The script certainly doesn't help much, since most of it seems to consist of people barking "F*** dis shit!" and "Go! Go!" over and over.

For much of the game, you'll be accompanied by at least one of these gruff stereotypes, but it's far from a squad game. They'll react fairly intelligently to the situation, but their presence ultimately only serves to remind you there's no co-operative mode, and Killzone 2 constantly feels like a game designed for co-op. There are often multiple ways to approach each level, different routes that take you up, over and through the crumbling Helghast architecture. Since you're unable to tell your AI partner to take the high road, you'll inevitably wish for a human friend who could really take advantage of these strategic opportunities. It's a baffling omission, and Killzone 2's most obvious weakness.

'Killzone 2' Screenshot 1

Firing out in the open is a good way to get killed. That's probably why your friend looks so alarmed.

Story may not be the game's strongest suit, but all that's really required is enough information to keep you pressing ahead through the military campaign that makes up the single-player missions. Each stage flows into the next and, apart from a couple of deviations from form involving a gun turret and a mech suit later in the game, the goal is clearly to create a tense, claustrophobic experience that convinces you that you're pushing into hostile alien territory, one bloody, dusty inch at a time.

This is not the game to play if you want to be able to pop through a door, spray the enemy with lead and watch them all keel over. The Helghast are armoured and (most of the time) they're smart. Taking them down requires patience, cover and short controlled bursts of accurate fire. Sure, you can probably take down a solitary grunt by peppering him with a wild spray, and if you opt for the lowest difficulty then this tactic becomes a lot more workable, at the cost of your self-esteem, but the moments when you'll be faced with just one enemy are few and far between.

For the most part, they attack in squads. They'll flank you. They'll use grenades to flush you out. They'll take it in turns to keep you busy with suppressing fire, then wait for you to reload and rush your position. Die, restart and take a different approach, try a different angle of attack, and you'll see the enemy reacting to your actions rather than simply popping out of the same cover spots like sideshow ducks. The landscape may not change as often as some would like, you're battling the same enemies from the start of the game through to the end, and there are few obvious set-piece moments, but that's because the gameplay itself is the set-piece. Battling your way across Salamun Bridge may not sound particularly amazing in theory, but in practice it's the sort of seriously meaty tactical challenge that too few shooters bother with these days.

Weapons are realistic, with only one gun in the whole game - a Helghan electricity cannon - that tips the scales a little too far into silly sci-fi territory. It is justified by the story, however, and it's awesome, so it's not a criticism. Small arms are your best resource for the majority of the game, and you soon come to trust the intuitive cover system, which automatically glues you to whatever you're hiding behind and allows you to slide side to side and pop out to return fire. Long-distance headshots are possible, but by no means easy, so the pride taken in each Helghan downed is earned.

In fact, so rewarding and dynamic are the firefights that it's the moments where the game slips into videogame cliché that let it down. A confrontation with a flying gunship wears the Boss Battle template a little too snugly, requiring you to shoot electricity pylons to hold it still while you break out the rocket launcher. Heavily armoured shock troopers must be shot in the face so they turn around, allowing you to blast at the explosive tanks on their back. These scripted reactions are unwelcome reminders of the genre's artifice, and rather than adding exciting peaks to the gameplay, they feel like predictable troughs that must be bashed aside in order to carry on with the truly fun stuff.

Salamun Bridge - more than the sum of its parts thanks to the game's skill with set-pieces.

There are flies elsewhere in the ointment too. The dual-weapon system forces you to think critically about your ammo reserves, where the risk of running dry must be weighed against the perils of a dash across open ground to grab another gun. Unfortunately, your default sidearm is always a pistol and a fairly useless one at that. Rare are the times when you'll need to bust it out, effectively reducing your useful armament options to whatever else you've found.

It's also rather odd that, should another character fall in battle, you're able to revive them with a handheld zapper. They'll pretty much writhe and call out in agony for as long as it takes you to reach them - their location marked by a handy arrow - but you get no such benefit. If you take enough hits that the red mist closes in, you fall down dead and nobody does a damn thing to help. The revival system also makes a mockery of a later plot development, which I won't spoil. Suffice to say that anyone who wondered why Cloud didn't just use a Phoenix Down on Aeris will face a similar clash between the needs of the story and the mechanics of the gameplay.

'Killzone 2' Screenshot 2

Oh, you can help your buddies - but will they return the favour? No. The ungrateful sods.

Such considerations are less worrying taken in the larger context, however. The internet will no doubt rage for weeks as to whether Killzone 2 is the best-looking console game evah, but it's fair to say that if there's a list, it's going to be near the top. What truly impresses, however, isn't the obvious eye-catching elements but the smaller moments - little things that are so natural that you often don't notice them; those little eddies of dust blowing around a deserted slum village, the way you can be subliminally tipped-off to enemies by a subtle change in light or shadow ahead.

Of course, when the game decides that it needs to get your attention, the results are phenomenal. The brief gun-turret section takes you high above the caustic clouds of Helghan and finds you engaged in a furious aerial battle, played out against a gorgeous sunset. The descent into Tharsis Refinery, on the other hand, is a plunge into hell itself, a breathtaking ride on a speeding automated train, where the wind snaps tarpaulins like bullwhips and the constant, infernal noise threatens to blot out even the loudest gunfire.

No shooter can survive on single-player alone these days, and as with the solo campaign, the online element concentrates on delivering a brutally focused and nourishing experience within otherwise expected parameters. Not much has changed since the multiplayer beta (which we covered in some detail a little while ago), so you get eight maps, drawn from the single-player campaign, and five different game modes. There are variations on Capture the Flag, Deathmatch and Search and Destroy, as well as base-capturing objectives and the enormously fun Assassination mode. There's no cover system in multiplayer, as gameplay naturally skews more to the run-and-gun style of play than the slower, more tactical main story.

All maps and game modes can be mixed and matched to your liking, and online play is split between Warzone, which supports the full 32-player line-up, and Mini-Frag, which caters for smaller matches of up to eight. One on One is self-explanatory, and ideal for more intimate stalk-and-slay games with a very special friend. Suitable maps are automatically chosen for the number of players, and various factors can be modified by using different badges and medals, just as in Call of Duty and similar shooters. It's all impressively flexible, within its rather narrow feature-set, and the host can dictate the terms of any match, either by using preset conditions such as No Pistols, or using on of six empty custom slots to fine-tune their own rule-set.

The plunge into Tharsis Refinery - one of the game's standout sections.

It's the sort of multiplayer experience that becomes richer the longer you play. You start with just one character class, two rifles and a pistol. Each kill is worth one point, with bonuses for meeting certain victory conditions, and provided you're halfway decent you'll soon have ranked up enough to start tailoring your character to your preferred style of play. It's really only once you've unlocked these options that the multiplayer comes to life, feeling narrow in scope at first but offering enviable depth in the long term.

For those without friends, or just wanting to brush up their skills, the Skirmish option allows you to play against up to 15 AI bots on any of the maps. It's more enjoyable than it may sound, simply because the AI is generally pretty dependable and scales nicely. An AI assassination target, for instance, will automatically find a safe spot and keep his back to the wall, which is more than can be said for some of the human players I've encountered. You carry your stats from the online games into these practice bouts, but it doesn't seem to work the other way - you can't grind your level higher by playing repeated offline games against easy CPU enemies.

'Killzone 2' Screenshot 3

That green smoke is a spawn grenade. Drop one in a strategic location before you die and you'll be able to pop back into the action with the minimum of fuss.

Taken as a whole, Killzone 2 doesn't initially seem to offer enough to justify the superlatives that have been dutifully set aside by the PS3 faithful. Despite the often-stunning graphics, it's often derivative of other titles and doesn't - on the surface - seem to have much that distinguishes it from the herd.

It's deceptive though. This is a methodical shooter that makes few concessions to those not already interested in its single-minded approach to cover-based military action. I've compared it to Rainbow Six in the past, but it also calls to mind F.E.A.R, another tough tactical effort that was often misunderstood by those expecting a frag-happy spook hunt. Killzone 2 is a taut and muscular game, a shooter that gives back more than you put in, provided you have the intestinal fortitude. It may take its time revealing its true depths and pleasures, but the journey is well worth taking. Between Killzone 2's unforgiving grit and Resistance 2's alien-bursting excess, the PS3 finally has both ends of the shooter spectrum covered in grand style.

9 / 10

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About Dan Whitehead

Dan has been writing for Eurogamer since 2006 and specialises in RPGs, shooters and games for children. His bestest game ever is Julian Gollop's Chaos.

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Comments (545) 2 years ago

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  • HappyTreeFriend #1 3 years ago

    Ace ace ace...Can't wait for this :o)

  • monkeylite #2 3 years ago

    Whoa

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #3 3 years ago

    “Where’s Larry? Y’know what I mean Larry? Ooh ah ah ah!”

  • Sir_TimAlot #4 3 years ago

    I like turtles

  • tomnol #5 3 years ago

    Let the bitching begin

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #6 3 years ago

    “Where’s Larry? Y’know what I mean Larry? Ooh ah ah ah!”

  • Bagpuss #7 3 years ago

    No ive not read the review either...:)

  • Rizo #8 3 years ago

    9 wow

  • david78 #9 3 years ago

    z0omg.

  • Cloudane #10 3 years ago

    9/10 = brilliant.

    Let the flaming war begin!

  • phAge #11 3 years ago

    49th!

  • the_dudefather #12 3 years ago

    In b4 '9/10, its a flop!'

    this should be fun

  • konniehuqfan #13 3 years ago

    good score!

  • Beano #14 3 years ago

    9... as expected :)

  • DDevil #15 3 years ago

    It should have been 10! EG MS bias confirmed!

  • VandelayIndustries #16 3 years ago

    :D

  • Redh3lix #17 3 years ago

    Expected score. Uber pr0 game tbh.

  • Kenshin001 #18 3 years ago

    I guess GG are redeemed then?

  • butler` #19 3 years ago

    Sweet. Maybe I can finally clock up some hours on my ps3.

  • chessboxer #20 3 years ago

    Awesome. Can't wait for my pre-order to arrive.

  • ph101 #21 3 years ago

    but can the bad guys talk?

  • Pedrolot #22 3 years ago

    SOLD.







    SOLD!!!!

  • Zomoniac #23 3 years ago

    Worse than Fable? Meh.

  • funkyd #24 3 years ago

    Awesome.

  • Ghost_Dog #25 3 years ago

    First time I have ever pre-ordered a game.

    Can't wait!!!!

  • givemebetacode #26 3 years ago

    You have to remember, this is a exclusive review Sony paid for.

    Wait for 1up, ign, gamespot ect to give it it's real score.

  • Yossarian #27 3 years ago

    why not a 10

    what reasonns are there not to give a 10 score


    ARJHHHHHSHFH
    #
    fuck you eurogamer.net I wait all day for this and it a 9

    FUCKI

  • Eraysor #28 3 years ago

    OMGWTFBBQ

    Finally the PS3 has a game worth playing.
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 17:10

  • menage #29 3 years ago

    So the internet will not implode then?

    Still, nicely done.

  • UncleLou #30 3 years ago

    Love the sound of the tactical, dynamic firefights - I'd buy that in an instant, if I had the hardware.

  • monkeylite #31 3 years ago

    SOLD

  • Goodfella #32 3 years ago

    I'm amazed the tards haven't surfaced with 'not as good as Halo then'' comments yet.

  • DFawkes #33 3 years ago

    So better than Carnival Games? Lets see if the charts reflect that.

  • clean515 #34 3 years ago

    Fuck this game. Fable 2 is better.


    lol

  • larry007 #35 3 years ago

    GOTY 2009

    best fps ever

  • aliki #36 3 years ago

    SOLD




    SOLD

  • larry007 #37 3 years ago

    It would have got 10/10 had it been an x360 game

  • Doolz #38 3 years ago

    Great my prediction was right! 9/10 :D

  • Yossarian #39 3 years ago

    give mebeta code is that true about the review exclusive

    if thats the case then this site eurogamer.net has NO CREDBILITY AGAIN

    EVERY TIME A PS£ review comes they hold it back and for why?? $$$ i guess the 360 bias is out of control tho i know that

    JJJJESSSUISU

  • HuggyAtHome #40 3 years ago

    What's the release date for Flower?

  • badboy4life #41 3 years ago

    Guess I'll stick with Halo 3 then...

  • Burkey123 #42 3 years ago

    Just what I expected it t to get. Definite purchase for me.

  • aliki #43 3 years ago

    9/10 for a PS3 game review by Dan Whitehead is pretty much a 10/10

    So...



    10/10!!!

  • speed182 #44 3 years ago

    Lol @ Sony fanboys

  • Yossarian #45 3 years ago

    my friend just link me the halo review

    how is gaylo 3 a 10 and killzone 2 not a 10? how?

    if you can explain this to me then why not write it in the review


    IASDGHHHHDHFHm so angry right now with this site

  • tomnol #46 3 years ago

    Good. The only thing I am worried about is that Resistance 2, which I thought was utter shite, got a 9 too. Same reviewer even, me thinks.

  • FenderMaster #47 3 years ago

    I really can't play another fps right now, but it's great that have Guerilla finally proved themselves... I actually thought KZ 1 was fantastic ... for the fir st 2 hours...

  • Velios #48 3 years ago

    Not as good as Halo then

  • PlugMonkey #49 3 years ago

    MS defense force. Prepare for extraction!

    Oh, ffs.

  • Razzajazz #50 3 years ago

    This thread is going to be horrible, isn't it?

  • speed182 #51 3 years ago

    @ Yossarian

    So what is the big deal, why are you getting so worked up over a review, surely your own opinion is better?

  • GamesConnoisseur #52 3 years ago

    Boooooooring!!

    All the comments that ITS SHOULD BE A TEN, EG BIAS CONFIRMED and all that shit!

    Read the article properly! 9 out of 10 is still freaking good and I m glad that its proven an excellent shooter and now could be seen as a flagship FPS title for PS3!

    Still also said to be 'often derivative of other titles and doesn't - on the surface' but that is deceptively so, there are enough here to make this a must buy not just for PS3 owners but for any gamers.

  • Yossarian #53 3 years ago

    theres no reason for this to be a 9 except an exclusive money deal you saw the review from other sites and mags saying it is a perfect game or near perfect so that a 10


    eurogamer.net writers have NO SHAME

  • B0MBJ4CK #54 3 years ago

    Now Dan.... RUN!!!! Run for your sweet life!!

  • gohda #55 3 years ago

    GOTY OMG WTF OMG WTF GOTY

  • phAge #56 3 years ago

    Excellent review, very well balanced. Hat's off to GG for making such a splendid game, and I sincerely hope that this gets the sales it so very much deserves. Kudos, kudos!
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 17:14

  • penhalion #57 3 years ago

    Suffice to say that anyone who wondered why Cloud didn't just use a Phoenix Down on Aeris will face a similar clash between the needs of the story and the mechanics of the gameplay.

    Proudly, that was my first reaction to her death in FF. My friends will testify that I keep going on about that particular plot nonsense!

    As for KZ2. I have it on pre-order so I'm looking forward to some actual decent use from my PS3 at long last.

  • Redbull69 #58 3 years ago

    9/10 that'll do for me, i do hope that more MP maps will be published though.

  • Yossarian #59 3 years ago

    half the fags here never even play the first killzeone game

    this writer don whitehead jhasn't either I bet


    so why put them on a review this important
    this review is CRUCIAL to get back the salkes from 360
    youre ruining it *your reputation) for a deal with MS

  • Widge #60 3 years ago

    Shame about the script because I do like a good story, even if I'm some rampaging gun fiend.
    Still looks great and I suppose Bioshock 2 (if all goes well) will do the honours in single player story fun.

  • lcmnick #61 3 years ago

    Disappointing.

  • dadrester #62 3 years ago

    i really hope Larry077 (as much of a wind up merchant as he is) end's up not 'getting' the game, and really disliking it.

  • tomnol #63 3 years ago

    So what is the big deal, why are you getting so worked up over a review, surely your own opinion is better?

    He is yanking your chain.

  • XAleX360 #64 3 years ago

    Yeah right, on par with Resistance 2 and worse than Fable 2. Whatever.... Eurogamer's scoring system is clearly broken, even more so with the fact that there aren't mid-point scores, so a game that would actually be "nine and something", which is most of the cases, gets punished easily.

    Whatever. Game rocks, that's what counts.

  • azurelas_2 #65 3 years ago

    Better than Halo (1)

  • Danbojones Verified Senior Staff Writer, GamesIndustry.biz #66 3 years ago

    Regs: Shame on you.

  • gohda #67 3 years ago

    Yossarian is broke.

  • speed182 #68 3 years ago

    Yeah, this is really going to ruin their rep isn't it? NO.

    Are you crying in your room right now? 9 is a good score, you're acting like it got a 5 you fucking moron.

  • Razzajazz #69 3 years ago

    This Yossarian geezer's not serious, is he?

  • Kenshin001 #70 3 years ago

    So I gather one of the squad dies then.

  • JonFE #71 3 years ago

    Yossarian,

    I honestly cannot determine whether you jest or not - I *hope* that you do...

  • Physically_Insane #72 3 years ago

    9/10, pffft.

    I'll stick to the far superior 10/10 Microsoft game, Halo 3, thankyouverymuch.

  • #73 3 years ago

    9 is a great score, and its probably well deserved too unlike fucking halo3.

  • gohda #74 3 years ago

    WORST EG BIAS SINCE MGS4

  • groovychainsaw #75 3 years ago

    Review mentions too many things i don't prefer in my shooters for me - if it had (split screen) co-op it would be redeemed (esp against bots in mp - perfect dark stylee), but as it is, the grindy-sounding nature of the shooting (as polished as it may be) isn't for me - i ain't got the skills or the time to invest in that... If its anything like recent releases it'll be half price within 6 weeks anyway, then it'll be a must buy for me i reckon.

  • UncleLou #76 3 years ago

    Yossarian,

    I honestly cannot determine whether you jest or not - I *hope* that you do...


    He is, which isn't really making things any better. Boring.

  • miiiguel #77 3 years ago

    EG agreement to an exclusive review? Sounds fishy... moneyhatting and stuff.

  • clean515 #78 3 years ago

    Halo 3 is better than this shit.

  • b00n #79 3 years ago

    Is there a way to filter the comments? Let's say only view those of people that are 28 years old or more? Or based on intelligence? Some of the comments here are so stupid i'm even doubting if those people mean what they say.

  • Yossarian #80 3 years ago

    now all im gonna here from my friends is about how 360 games are 10 and sony game like killzone 2 or metal gear solid are never 10 only 9 or even 8 (in the case of metal gear solid which your site gave a 8 score) becuz all theuy read is this shitty site eurogamern.et and never read another magazine or a site with opinions not BOUGHT WITH M$ MONEY HACKSHACKS SELLOUT

    WHY DO U DO THIS

    EVERYTIME IT HAPPENS like clockwork
    I could copypaste all the review eurogamer.net have done and show you guys




    IM FUCLKING SHAKING RIGHT NOW JESUS CHRIST

  • gohda #81 3 years ago

    EG BIAS I HATE YOU EG

  • Widge #82 3 years ago

    PISS OFF SPAZZ TITS

  • gohda #83 3 years ago

    YOU RUINED MY LIFE

  • Entity #84 3 years ago

    I love the way the review tricked me into thinking it was going to get a 7/10, then for safeties sake added another 2 points at the end.

  • speed182 #85 3 years ago

    And nah Yossarian isn't serious he's taking the piss, cba to play along now...

  • Widge #86 3 years ago

    Strange thing, apart from one person, most of the thread is people saying "oh the shit is going to kick off" while its actually not.

    Lets talk about people who look like thumbs instead.

  • miiiguel #87 3 years ago

    "Yeah right, on par with Resistance 2 and worse than Fable 2."
    Where these comparision come from ? I mean... here we have someone whining because a game that places the game running through yellow daisys got a better score to one where you are a nameless soldier that fights aliens in a distant planet...
    FFS!
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 17:18

  • phatb0y #88 3 years ago

    'IM FUCLKING SHAKING RIGHT NOW JESUS CHRIST'

    Congratulations! Your internet is in the post.

  • gohda #89 3 years ago

    EUROGAYER

  • Douche #90 3 years ago

    What an anti climax, i was looking forward to it getting an 8 then the comments section exploding ala MGS 4. Oh well. Looks like i might need to buy a PS3 now. After the price drop.

    'why not a 10'

    Read the fucking review! It tells you why!

  • tomnol #91 3 years ago

    Strange thing, apart from one person, most of the thread is people saying "oh the shit is going to kick off" while its actually not.

    Wait til farticus shows up.

  • godslim #92 3 years ago

    i expected a 9 aswell after playing the beta i knew it wouldnt get any less!
    as for people saying give it 10......nah its damn good but not a huge leap apart from the graphics which are :D
    can wait for this oh and in your face 360 fan boys!

  • PlugMonkey #93 3 years ago

    now all im gonna here from my friends is about how 360 games are 10 and sony game like killzone 2 or metal gear solid are never 10 only 9 or even 8 (in the case of metal gear solid which your site gave a 8 score) becuz all theuy read is this shitty site eurogamern.et and never read another magazine or a site with opinions not BOUGHT WITH M$ MONEY HACKSHACKS SELLOUT

    WHY DO U DO THIS

    EVERYTIME IT HAPPENS like clockwork
    I could copypaste all the review eurogamer.net have done and show you guys




    IM FUCLKING SHAKING RIGHT NOW JESUS CHRIST

    Oh. For. Fucks. Sake.

  • Godhather08 #94 3 years ago

    Awesome!

    Pre-order, checked.

    Nice review, sounds more like a 9.5 to me, but 9 is good too.



  • DanWhitehead #95 3 years ago

    You have to remember, this is a exclusive review Sony paid for.

    Not that I expect this will make any difference, but when I wrote the review I had no idea it was going to be an exclusive.

  • RoyBrown #96 3 years ago

    OK?

    WTF?

    Did this guy even play Killzone 2.

    The game has NO CAPTURE THE FLAG also it has no DEATHMATCH.

    What game is he fucking talking about.

    He can't even remember the name of one of the other games being CAPTURE and HOLD.

    PS. Thanks for the fucking spoiler you dickhead!

    Thanks for telling me Lugar dies.

    Thats awesome.

    Stupid cunt.

  • JonFE #97 3 years ago

    Thanks UncleLou. Boring it may be, but, I guess, that *is* better than actually taking what he says for real.

  • #98 3 years ago

    [link url=http ://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/949/949161p1.html
    ]http://uk .ps3.ign.com/articles/949/94916...[/link]

    !!!!!

    Here's the summary:

    9.5 Presentation
    Everything from the first entrance onto the battlefield to the last cutscene creates a hectic, fun and fast-paced thrill ride through a warzone where each step you take could be your last.
    9.5 Graphics
    Phenomenal visuals prove that Guerrilla either met or surpassed that infamous E3 trailer. Some technical issues hold it back from being a completely flawless masterpiece.
    9.0 Sound
    7.1 channel sound captures every nuance of the battlefield from gunshots to screams along with a great soundtrack. Weakly delivered, curse-filled dialogue (sans Brian Cox) could've been done better.
    9.0 Gameplay
    You'll have to get used to the firearms as well as the AI on both sides. More turret and vehicle sections would've been great, but outside of that, the single-player campaign is fun to play through.
    9.5 Lasting Appeal
    Multiplayer is extremely deep and has the added bonus of an offline skirmish mode. This is where you'll spend the majority of your time once the credits roll.
    9.4
    Outstanding OVERALL
    (out of 10 / not an average)

    Video review also live: http://uk .ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/74...e...

  • ps3owner #99 3 years ago

    Hm, sounds ok. 9/10 seems a safe score for this, review didn't read like a 9. I'll get it anyway. I reckon comments 1-65 haven't read the review yet... you should give it a go, before giving a comment.

    one thing though, how long would you estimate the story to be in hours of game play? isn't mentioned anywhere, would be good to know!

    Ta

  • penhalion #100 3 years ago

    Suddenly XBots seem sane compared to the sony faithful that crawled out of the woodwork. At least the XBots were complaining that Halo 3 SHOULDN'T get a 10/10 because it simply wasn't that good. 9/10 for killzone 2 is excellent. Especially as the general consensus from people who have actually played it is that it's only worth an 8.

  • Burkey123 #101 3 years ago

    Jesus Christ!! Over 100 comments already!? Will it beat mgs's comment section of over 2000 though?

  • GamesConnoisseur #102 3 years ago

    Yosasrian and others who are in the same position (if they are not being ironic) are a sad gits!

    Accusing EG of being in MS pocket or X360 bias for giving KZ2 a 9 when even OFFICAL PLAYSTATION UK MAGAZINE have given only a 9?!

    Are you accusing OPM of being in MS pocket or biased to X360?

    WAKE UP you sad fools! The game is great but score are just a number and just support the case where score should be scrapped and instead just read the proper review!

  • spiny #103 3 years ago

    halolol :D

  • gohda #104 3 years ago

    m$ r shit

  • teabagger #105 3 years ago

    Missed the boat a bit, however:

    To all relevant people...

    In.
    Your.
    Face.

  • Yossarian #106 3 years ago

    eurogamer.net just shot themselves in the foot



    i dont know how much the rest of you know about games culture (i'm an expert), but honor and shame are HUGE parts of it it's not like you can just becomes succesfful by being assholes or getting exclusive reviews. IF YOU LIE ABOUT A GAME IN YOUR REVIEW FOR MONEY you bring shame to your site and the only way to get rid of that shame (or any shame like it) is REPENTANCE


    what this means is the gaming opublic after hearing about this is not going to want too visit eurogamer.net for any reason nor will they read any review from this site. its HUGE now. you can laugh all you want but eurogamer siter have aleinated from the entire gaming press


    eurogamer.net you need to apologise an rewrite this review with the REAL score or you can kiss your page impressions goodbye

  • groovychainsaw #107 3 years ago

    @Entity - I also thought it was going to get a much lower score - the text seemed to focus more on the negatives than any positive elements. It doesn't sound groundbreaking, but solid and polished. 9/10 is a top score, regardless, and its certainly got my interest (where i had none at all before, memories of killzone 1 had eliminated my interest in this game for a long while).

  • andywilkie35 #108 3 years ago

    WHAT THE FUCK?! THIS IS FUCKING SONYGAMER

    nah seriously good stuff, might well have to get involved. I thought the first Killzone was pretty decent

  • konniehuqfan #109 3 years ago

    i don't normally care for fpss but i'm so excited about killzone!

  • Khanivor #110 3 years ago

    There are going to be so many more tards bitching that it ain't a 10 than tards bitching it doesn't deserve a 9.

    Don't let me down tards, it's a slow work day.

  • Buztafen #111 3 years ago

    Just as expected and hopefully well deserved.....day 1 purchase for me!

  • mcmonkeyplc #112 3 years ago

    Man my Xbox is going to be jealous.

  • ronuds #113 3 years ago

    "Nice review, sounds more like a 9.5 to me, but 9 is good too."

    Not to be a troll or that I particularly care, but it sounded like less than a 9 to me. He had some pretty major gripes with the game, like the lack of co-op (which almost all FPS's have these days).

    9 seems to me like lip service, but enjoy! I'm sure it's good enough to be a purchase for any PS3 owner.

  • Incarta #114 3 years ago

    Eurogamer sold out

    OR

    Killzone 2 is a 9/10, and Eurogamer are the best authority on that right now cause nobody else in the comments section has played it. All "it should have been a 10" commenters are sad little sheep who got brainwashed by the hype. Again.

    Yeah, I like my second answer better.

  • Yossarian #115 3 years ago

    grioovychainsaw you shut your mouth about what is in the text the score is a 9

    yes it should be 10 but you just shut up about anything else im serious now

  • lambtron #116 3 years ago

    I believe Yoss is copy-pasting quotes from previous PS3 reviews where the SDF were claiming EG were biased.

    Actually quite amusing if you put it in context :p

  • rotmm #117 3 years ago

    @Yossarian, "i dont know how much the rest of you know about games culture (i'm an expert)..."

    Stramge, you just come across as a prick. An expert prick maybe?

  • septimus #118 3 years ago

    Co-op patch please. Sounds good fun, but even better with said patch.

  • woodnotes #119 3 years ago

    Who else just kept clicking NEXT NEXT NEXT NEXT NEXT to get to the score :)

    Seems Guerilla came through and delivered the good this time. Even if they have needed a rediculous amount of time to complete the game.

  • kazumA82 #120 3 years ago

    Poor Xbots, don't be jealous.

    You guys are getting...um, Halo Wars?

    LOL

  • uglygamer #121 3 years ago

    I was certain this will get a 9. Never has it it been more obvious. Its a solid game. If only Sony could use this as a turning point for the Playstation 3.

  • groovychainsaw #122 3 years ago

    @Yossarian - Well done mate, i wasn't sure how much you were taking the P before, but that last post got some genuine laughs. Props :-)

  • HuggyAtHome #123 3 years ago

    @Yossarian

    Oh just go away and get a life. It's a game. Play it or rent it and then make your own mind up.

    Oh sorry - you already have.

  • mcmonkeyplc #124 3 years ago

    I think I might commit suicide. MS bring this to the xbox! Pleeeeeeeeease! My life depends on it.

  • Obli #125 3 years ago

    Fair review... expected an 8 or 7 as I was reading through. Sounds like KZ2 is nothing revolutionary but a fun, polished, solid experience. Exactly what I was expecting / hoping for!

  • Mr-Bozzey #126 3 years ago

    hmm 9/10 fair play i can live with that read the reveiw played the beta its a fair score. no doubt for me anyways i'll be hooked on this game.

    i guess what matters the most is your own personal veiw really and well .... reveiws are great but it does come down to what you think.

    it was a shakey reveiw alot of tiny cons with weaponary and a.i but fair points such as you can revive buddys but they cant revive you as for the co-op thing im pretty sure that a fair point but i heard as a rumour they might patch it threw at some point.

    but for now this game pre-ordered and the DLC planned im a very happy chappy about it all.

    hope you all enjoy the game aswell

  • teabagger #127 3 years ago

    Yossarian = comedy gold.

  • shogo10 #128 3 years ago

    What have you done EG, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

  • IneptPercy #129 3 years ago

    All good as expected.

    I love some of the comments in here, the ones aying 360 owners will be gutted, here is my point of view as a 360 owner, who doesn't own a PS3 and has a brain...

    The is plenty of good games to play on my 360 so I am still happy, I am also happy that the PS3 is finaly getting some decent exclusives as it takes me own step closer to buying a PS3 (quite a few steps left still).

    Some people own a 360, some people own a PS3 and some own both, if they are happy then leave them to it.

    Back to the 360 owners will be gutted comments, as these must be from the PS3 only gamers, can I ask a question? where you unhappy when halo 3 or gears of war 2 came out? the answer is probably no, so to turn it on its head to you think any 360 owners will really be upset?

  • GamesConnoisseur #130 3 years ago

    YOSSARIAN: what this means is the gaming opublic after hearing about this is not going to want too visit eurogamer.net for any reason nor will they read any review from this site. its HUGE now. you can laugh all you want but eurogamer siter have aleinated from the entire gaming press

    Oh aye OFFICAL PLAYSTATION MAGAZINE tm (UK) gonna feature a huge article about how EG lets down the whole world with BIASED review score of 9/10?! Fuck no cos they given the same score!

    Yoss grow up and be a man!

  • GamesConnoisseur #131 3 years ago

    YOSSARIAN: what this means is the gaming opublic after hearing about this is not going to want too visit eurogamer.net for any reason nor will they read any review from this site. its HUGE now. you can laugh all you want but eurogamer siter have aleinated from the entire gaming press

    Oh aye OFFICAL PLAYSTATION MAGAZINE tm (UK) gonna feature a huge article about how EG lets down the whole world with BIASED review score of 9/10?! Fuck no cos they given the same score!

    Yoss grow up and be a man!

  • brappbrap #132 3 years ago

    hahaha, once you know that then they've all ben very amusing.

    Glad Killzone is good after all the fuss about the first one being gash. I don't have a playstation, but if i did I'd be picking this up. It's not enough to make me drop £300, but the playstation's games library is finally starting to look pretty decent.

  • G-Money #133 3 years ago

    The lack of cover mech in MP is a bombshell for me as i was hoping for a rainbow vegas style implentation aaarrrgh! Still, its probably been mentioned before... Buying on release for shizzle!

  • addyb #134 3 years ago

    Looks pretty good, very nice gfx but at the end of the day its just another FPS game, I will pick this up at sometime but i much prefer fps's on a pc with mouse/keyboard combo

  • Entity #135 3 years ago

    @Groovychainsaw- Pretty much the same here. After getting disillusioned by not being able to climb a 'curb' in the first, I pretty much ignored this until very recently. Pre-order is go.

  • gohda #136 3 years ago

    HHHNNNGGGHH GOTY

  • B0MBJ4CK #137 3 years ago

    But PS3 owners are'nt gonna buy it cos is an FPS....and...and...and they dont like FPSs......... right?

  • Douche #138 3 years ago

    Yossarian - you have to be kidding?

  • mcmonkeyplc #139 3 years ago

    STEAVE JOBS! PLEASE BRING THIS TO THE XBOX!

  • Joel_The_Mole #140 3 years ago

    Thank god it got a 9

  • Mr_Dodger #141 3 years ago

    @ Yossarian keep it coming son, comedy gold!

    If you're for real, it's hilarious. If you're playing a part, it's still pretty funny :)

  • ps3owner #142 3 years ago

    oh and the resolution? 720P? would also be interesting.

    ta

  • tomnol #143 3 years ago

    Hats off to Yossarian. He really makes some people here look like idiots.

    @ronuds: Not to be a troll...

    Begone then.

  • miiiguel #144 3 years ago

    @ Yoshirian
    "i dont know how much the rest of you know about games culture (i'm an expert)"
    Dude... say more of those please.

    "you can laugh all you want but eurogamer siter have aleinated from the entire gaming press "
    Now... seriously, how old are you?

    And in pure mathematical terms, you know the number 9 is the one right before 10. it goes like... seven, eight, nine and then... tata 10!
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 17:30

  • Triggerhappytel #145 3 years ago

    Superb, I can't wait for the release and Guerilla have finally proven they are a AAA studio.

    Roll on Killzone 3 in 2013 ;)

  • TopKatt #146 3 years ago

    Yep. Good review, pleased with that score. Well done EG.

  • G-Money #147 3 years ago

    @ps3owner

    720p is confirmed, as is rock solid 30fps...

  • Yossarian #148 3 years ago

    GamesConnoisseur
    29-Jan-09 17:26:14 YOSSARIAN: what this means is the gaming opublic after hearing about this is not going to want too visit eurogamer.net for any reason nor will they read any review from this site. its HUGE now. you can laugh all you want but eurogamer siter have aleinated from the entire gaming press

    Oh aye OFFICAL PLAYSTATION MAGAZINE tm (UK) gonna feature a huge article about how EG lets down the whole world with BIASED review score of 9/10?! Fuck no cos they given the same score!

    Yoss grow up and be a man!



    okay two things about this post

    firstly, 1) its a PLAYSTATION magazine dummy lol!
    let me explain what this means they review only Playstation games for the SONY machines (including PSP and the original Playstation 2

    .l so everything is held to a higher standard obviously because its jhust within Playstation games and there are less games for those platforms so they review them harder so the SCORES GO DOWN so a game that is a 10 gets a 9 becuz of the harsher review standard on those machines

    LESS GAMES=LOWER SCORES DUMASS!!!!!


    and second even if its true that it got 9 on theis site and that magazine look where BOTH THESE MAGAZINE/SITE are publiushed or put out into. its BRITAIN which has a bias becuyz of the different culture and market they dont have the same understanding of the Japanese games Sony make including, KILLZONE2

    so of course it got a 9 for one or two of the above two reasons

    why do i even bother with these resposnes


    THIS IS WHAT IM UP AGAINST BECUZ OF YOUR REVIEW DON WHITEHEAD

  • #149 3 years ago

    @ps3owner

    The max res it supports i think is native 1080i. Im pretty sure of that.

  • VandelayIndustries #150 3 years ago

    It's a sad day when a '9' is considered bad. I on the other hand cannot fucking wait to play this :) only a month to go :(

  • rotmm #151 3 years ago

    @marronthered,

    No, it supports 1080i natively, which is different than saying it runs at 1080i. It actually will render less vertical lines than 720p, but this allows for better upscaling to 1080i.

  • G-Money #152 3 years ago

    I can't believe i've been drawn in but....

    Yossarian, K2 was made in the Netherlands.....idiot.

  • Lukus #153 3 years ago

    It reads like a review of Gears of War 2, apart from a few paragraphs.

  • Vanmunt #154 3 years ago

    My heart sank when I saw it was Dan 'Lego Batman is better than Dead Space' Whitehead.... good review though, kudos to you very well written.

  • Kazzahdrane #155 3 years ago

    This game is so racist.

    Awesome score though, looking forward to reading the review tonight. Don't have a PS3 yet but will be picking up Killzone when I get one later this year!

  • Godhather08 #156 3 years ago

    From Michiel:

    "Ok, this is the deal: If Killzone 2 detects a TV that is set to 1080p or 1080i and cannot switch to 720p (our preferred resolution, for if your TV supports it), then it will render in 960x1080 and horizontally scale that to 1080i/p.
    The advantage of doing this (over rendering 720p and then upscaling it to 1080i/p) is that you don't have *any* vertical scaling, and analog TV's don't even have a horizontal resolution. The result is a much clearer picture with much less artifacts for those who have a 1080i/p only set.
    Killzone's adviced resolution is 720p, we just made sure that if you have a 1080i/p only set, it looks much better than the 'naive' implementation of upscaling 720p"


    Seb Downie - QA Manager - Guerrilla Games

  • Yossarian #157 3 years ago

    no the publisher is in europe (NOT britain thats where the mags and this site are from as i already explaiined to the poster a w hile back in the thread). (on the last page??) but the Developer is Sony

    its on the box and site for anyone to check

    PLAYSTATION 3 DOWN THE SIDE DO YOU SEE IT DUMMIES
    or do you even know how to read haha

    even in a magazine ad you cna see that written on the side of the box SONY PLAYSTATION 3 FIGURE IT OUT



    sometimes i think its not even worth to make explanations about a game on this xbot site

  • ronuds #158 3 years ago

    "so everything is held to a higher standard obviously because its jhust within Playstation games and there are less games for those platforms so they review them harder so the SCORES GO DOWN so a game that is a 10 gets a 9 becuz of the harsher review standard on those machines"

    I feel like my IQ has taken a plunge for even thinking of replying to this, but - are you serious? You think official mags review games more harshly than a site like EG? Almost every review from an "official" mag is better than anywhere else when it comes to exclusives! LOL

    Wow. Just...wow.

  • G-Money #159 3 years ago

    omg what a fuckwit...

  • Yossarian #160 3 years ago

    that post was for G-MONEY by the way

    just form a cue dummies and illl get back to you all one at a time hahaha if you h ave any common sense to say (i doubt it)

  • des #161 3 years ago

    No wonder that Sony gaming division is broke as fuck,spending money on exclusive reviews,1 point too short,ah Sony...



    Sorry,had to do it,hehe

  • dominalien #162 3 years ago

    So, here I was, reading the comments thread off my PS3, thinking, "who is this yossarian guy? He's so annoying, I have to put him on ignore". So, I went to my computer and found out why I didn't know who yossarian was - I'd already had him on ignore.

    Sad, but true.

  • rotmm #163 3 years ago

    I think I have fallen in love with Yossarian. The man is clearly a genius and knows where it's at.

    He is an expert in so many areas.

  • Calgon #164 3 years ago

    Reads more like an 8 to me ;)

    /Considers going in to game to play 5 minutes of this and come back telling the internets this is the most overrated game of this generation(ala PS3 fanboys on every well received 360 game "they all got paid dammit... I wont beleive it, I WONT!";). Snaps out of it, nah that would be such a tw**y thing to do wouldnt it? ;) plan B of the Sonybot lol, oh and dont forget to add "WOW another shooter just what the games industry needed, looks so different and fresh too" /

    Nah actually its good to see for once its got to be atleast half decent, maybe now certain fanboys will shut the fuck up for a bit and stop trolling because they are miserable. :)

    ...............................................

    To the normal PS3 owners enjoy it, the above is just an example of the idiocy the 360 section has to put up with from Sonybot trolls every time a good 360 game is realeased, couldnt resist.



  • HermitArcader #165 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 09:17:39 22-12-2011

  • Xerx3s #166 3 years ago

    "Thrillzone 2 has just bitch slapped every 360 owner on planet earth. Welcome to next gen Master Chief and Xtarts, now go make me some samiches, I'll need them for the demo next week. "

    *cough* 9/10 < 10/10 *cough*

  • G-Money #167 3 years ago

    Yossarian, I would refer you to the developer documentary on IGN, but frankly I'm off to have a shit, which is a far more productive use of my time than to endure your mindless, ill-constructed drivvle...
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 17:43

  • Douche #168 3 years ago

    I have read some ridiculous fanboy shit in my time but Yossarian, you are in a different league man. Have a word with yourself. You have totally took the focus off what should be a rare PS3 moment in the sun with your insane ranting.

  • miiiguel #169 3 years ago

    Yoshirian the expert... says that Killzone is from a different culture Japanese....
    Dude, Guerrilla games are dutch.

    And he's not taking a p... he's for real. I hope he's not more than 15.


    On the game, sounds really good. I don't really mind about the lack of originality, I prefer atention to detail and do things good than "inovate" for the sake of it. Should be a good game for PS3ers. You should enjoy the game for what it is not because "xbox is da suxors"..., btw.
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 17:43

  • Yossarian #170 3 years ago

    ronuds
    29-Jan-09 17:38:55 "so everything is held to a higher standard obviously because its jhust within Playstation games and there are less games for those platforms so they review them harder so the SCORES GO DOWN so a game that is a 10 gets a 9 becuz of the harsher review standard on those machines"

    I feel like my IQ has taken a plunge for even thinking of replying to this, but - are you serious? You think official mags review games more harshly than a site like EG? Almost every review from an "official" mag is better than anywhere else when it comes to exclusives! LOL

    Wow. Just...wow.



    yes wow you dummy. wow is what i said about reading your post

    YES OF COURSE MAGAZINES FROM SONY REVIEW HARDER thats what i said so why would you repeat it lol. they hold their own games up to a standard that is above a regular standard. havent you heard the phrase "your own worst enemy/critic" so a 9 from a PLAYSTATION mag reviewing PLAYSTATION games is worth more than a eurogamer.net review becuz they review all of the games for any platform it means less

    NOT TO HARD TO UNDERSTAND NOW IS IT!!!!!!!!!


    why am i even trying with you guys this site and the score they give for Playstation games is a joke

  • WinstonChurchill #171 3 years ago

    Yossarian is pulling some Andy Kaufman shit right here.

  • Triggerhappytel #172 3 years ago

    Redstanza - "It's a sad day when a PS3 '9' is held aloft like a olympic gold medal"

    Why is it a sad day? People like me have been looking forward to this game albeit not without one or two reservations, and we are pleased (and a little relieved) to see it has got a very good score.

    Yossarian - "no the publisher is in europe (NOT britain thats where the mags and this site are from as i already explaiined to the poster a w hile back in the thread). (on the last page??) but the Developer is Sony "

    I don't understand what you're trying to say, but the developer is Guerrilla Games and the publisher is Sony. GG are, however, fully-owned by Sony, so read that as you like.

  • ronuds #173 3 years ago

    "Any 9/10 game should be held aloft. it almost a perfect score (Without money involved like a 10/10 score)."

    I assume this is a jab at any 360 game to get a 10? So why when EG has an exclusive review for the PS3 is there no money involved? Oh, and guess what I'm staring at right now as well: A KZ2 ad streaming down the side of my EG page. Payoff!!!!!

    You guys are out of your freaking minds.

  • Lukus #174 3 years ago

    Killzone is a bit of a stupid name though, isn't it. That's probably why EG took a point off.

  • sanctusmortis #175 3 years ago

    Anyone who thinks Yoss, probably one of the forum's most eloquent posters, is serious, you're nuts.

    If people didn't constantly cry bias, we (the forum regs) wouldn't have to offer this service. Just be happy with a 9, okay? It's good, rejoice.

  • MasterNameless #176 3 years ago

    @marronthered

    Anything with lots of movement, which is pretty much all games, looks better with progressive scan. The only game I'd recommend playing with a 1080i res is Myst!

    As progressive scan, in the case of 720p, is 720 lines of information to make up the picture. 1080i is two fields of 540 lines of information interlaced together to make up the picture. So 720p actually has more unique information, but somehow on still images 1080i looks better, marginally.

  • Xerx3s #177 3 years ago

    "Well, it's getting so many 10/10 reviews from other sites that I am inclined to believe that it is a AAA game. "

    Wait, when was 9/10 not AAA? Anything at and above 8/10 is AAA must have in my book.

  • Kenshin001 #178 3 years ago

    How is this review exclusive anyway? There are reviews up all around the net, IGN, Gamereactor, Gameplayer etc.

  • ronuds #179 3 years ago

    "YES OF COURSE MAGAZINES FROM SONY REVIEW HARDER thats what i said so why would you repeat it lol. they hold their own games up to a standard that is above a regular standard. havent you heard the phrase "your own worst enemy/critic" so a 9 from a PLAYSTATION mag reviewing PLAYSTATION games is worth more than a eurogamer.net review becuz they review all of the games for any platform it means less"

    I repeat it because it's probably one of the single most idiotic comments I've ever heard, and contrary to just about what ANYBODY else would say.

    Look at PSMag or XBOXmag scores for exclusives and compare them to metacritic or whatever. It's almost always higher from the mag. Always 10/10's, etc.

  • Lukus #180 3 years ago

    EG bagged the exclusivity on awarding it a 9. I think CVG paid for a 7/10 review.

  • GamesConnoisseur #181 3 years ago

    Hahaha!

    Pluuaassse!

    "okay two things about this post

    firstly, 1) its a PLAYSTATION magazine dummy lol!
    let me explain what this means they review only Playstation games for the SONY machines (including PSP and the original Playstation 2

    .l so everything is held to a higher standard obviously because its jhust within Playstation games and there are less games for those platforms so they review them harder so the SCORES GO DOWN so a game that is a 10 gets a 9 becuz of the harsher review standard on those machines

    LESS GAMES=LOWER SCORES DUMASS!!!!!"

    A simple research, nay just a sample would actually show that all OFFICAL magazines rates their games on average higher than other 'independent' reviewers! I mean I dont even feel a need to bother showing this as its bloody well common knowledge! I m glad that you have overstepped yourself with this interesting argument! Yeah in your own world!

    Still OPM UK is more honest than many but not that harsh as say Edge or EG!

    I m wondering if you would give a better come back to this?!

    EDIT: ronuds beaten me to it! I wonder if Yoss is actually kidding or is being hisself? He could easily save face by saying yeah I was just having my laffs at the poor saps like GC! But if he is being serious... to each his own!
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 17:52

  • Kenshin001 #182 3 years ago

    @ronuds, he is taking the piss. You are making yourself look foolish.

  • DDevil #183 3 years ago

    Hey Yossy, did you hear about this one? Tell me, are you locked in the punch?
    Hey Yossy, are you goofing on Elvis? Hey baby, are we losing touch?
    If you believed they put a man on the moon, man on the moon
    If you believe there's nothing up my sleeve, then nothing is cool

  • Chufty #184 3 years ago

    Phoenix Down revives KOd player, not a dead player.

  • Xerx3s #185 3 years ago

    You guys do realise that yos is taking the fucking piss, mocking the likes of apologie, don't you?

  • coolbritannia #186 3 years ago

    PS3lol, you guys finally get a decent game and you kick off because it's not *quite* as good as Halo 3 or Gears 2? .1% less good than Gears 2, according to IGN.

    Have a nice day.

  • ronuds #187 3 years ago

    "@ronuds, he is taking the piss. You are making yourself look foolish."

    Well, how the eff should I know? As if there aren't really people to make the same types of comments and believe them?



  • PlugMonkey #188 3 years ago

    Wow. Is this Yossarian guy for real? Surely it can't really be possible to be driven apoplectic with rage because a game got a 9 instead of a 10.

    And not because a 9 is fundamentally unacceptable, oh no, just because it's the wrong kind of 9.

    o.O

    Edit: If he is kidding, it's a deeply weird kind of genius.
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 17:56

  • Yaz #189 3 years ago

    @Yossarian who wrote: "eurogamer.net you need to apologise an rewrite this review with the REAL score or you can kiss your page impressions goodbye
    ....yes it should be 10 but you just shut up about anything else im serious now"

    Why should Eurogamer apologise for a review of a game you haven't played yet?

    Until you've actually played the full version of Killzone 2, you're really not in a position to argue whether that review is right or wrong, much less demand that Eurogamer score it higher. :|

    If you feel the same about that review after playing Killzone 2 yourself, then fair enough, I'm sure many here would be interested in your reasons for a 10/10 score, but until then.....

    EDIT: Oh I see, it was all a joke. ;)

    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 17:58

  • Yossarian #190 3 years ago

    Poster Comment
    Lukus
    29-Jan-09 17:45:12 Killzone is a bit of a stupid name though, isn't it. That's probably why EG took a point off.
    ignore poster

    marronthered
    29-Jan-09 17:45:30 please dont call it "thrillzone" that is just sooo gay!
    ignore poster

    sanctusmortis
    29-Jan-09 17:45:33 Anyone who thinks Yoss, probably one of the forum's most eloquent posters, is serious, you're nuts.

    If people didn't constantly cry bias, we (the forum regs) wouldn't have to offer this service. Just be happy with a 9, okay? It's good, rejoice.
    ignore poster

    MasterNameless
    29-Jan-09 17:45:57 @marronthered

    Anything with lots of movement, which is pretty much all games, looks better with progressive scan. The only game I'd recommend playing with a 1080i res is Myst!

    As progressive scan, in the case of 720p, is 720 lines of information to make up the picture. 1080i is two fields of 540 lines of information interlaced together to make up the picture. So 720p actually has more unique information, but somehow on still images 1080i looks better, marginally.
    ignore poster

    Xerx3s
    29-Jan-09 17:46:24 "Well, it's getting so many 10/10 reviews from other sites that I am inclined to believe that it is a AAA game. "

    Wait, when was 9/10 not AAA? Anything at and above 8/10 is AAA must have in my book.
    ignore poster

    Kenshin001
    29-Jan-09 17:46:43 How is this review exclusive anyway? There are reviews up all around the net, IGN, Gamereactor, Gameplayer etc.
    ignore poster

    ronuds
    29-Jan-09 17:47:27 "YES OF COURSE MAGAZINES FROM SONY REVIEW HARDER thats what i said so why would you repeat it lol. they hold their own games up to a standard that is above a regular standard. havent you heard the phrase "your own worst enemy/critic" so a 9 from a PLAYSTATION mag reviewing PLAYSTATION games is worth more than a eurogamer.net review becuz they review all of the games for any platform it means less"

    I repeat it because it's probably one of the single most idiotic comments I've ever heard, and contrary to just about what ANYBODY else would say.

    Look at PSMag or XBOXmag scores for exclusives and compare them to metacritic or whatever. It's almost always higher from the mag. Always 10/10's, etc.




    GamesConnoisseur
    29-Jan-09 17:48:52 Hahaha!

    Pluuaassse!

    "okay two things about this post

    firstly, 1) its a PLAYSTATION magazine dummy lol!
    let me explain what this means they review only Playstation games for the SONY machines (including PSP and the original Playstation 2

    .l so everything is held to a higher standard obviously because its jhust within Playstation games and there are less games for those platforms so they review them harder so the SCORES GO DOWN so a game that is a 10 gets a 9 becuz of the harsher review standard on those machines

    LESS GAMES=LOWER SCORES DUMASS!!!!!"

    A simple research, nay just a sample would actually show that all OFFICAL magazines rates their games on average higher than other 'independent' reviewers! I mean I dont even feel a need to bother showing this as its bloody well common knowledge! I m glad that you have overstepped yourself with this interesting argument! Yeah in your own world!

    Still OPM UK is more honest than many but not that harsh as say Edge or EG!

    I m wondering if you would give a better come back to this?!
    ignore poster




    these two posts are to all intensive purposes the same post saying the same so i will respond to the two at once to save space/reading them all out for the other thread posters


    okay now OPM (the OFFICIAL Playstation magazine, thats what the O is for dummies) are a voice for Sony an official voice to review their game and products (Playstation 3, Playstation 2, the PSP, Playstation Portable etc

    becuz its an official magazine (there are a few actually in different countries, North America, UK, Australia etc they only review the official products from Sony and so there are less review less games to review less hardware and so the standard of a review goes up becuz its just them doing the review of their own games and service (Playstation Home, Playstation Networking etc) they hold it to a HIGHER STANDARD then the other magazine or sites like eurogamer.net which do a review for all the console and games irregardless of any platform they are on (called multi-platform)

    SO IT FOLLOWS THAT LESS REVIEW=LOWER SCORE becuz of HIGHER STANDARD HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU DUMMIES TO GET IT IN YOUR HEADS??!?!!?!

    heck i could even draw a graph for you dummies just its exhausting to type out this post i havent even had lunch yet because of this review Llol


    edit: i have bolded the passages that are new not quoted to clear up some issues with the post

    edit2: fixed the passages again
    edi
    [/b]
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 17:58

  • GamesConnoisseur #191 3 years ago

    Guys, I just checked out Yossy's profile and its more obivous as others said he is taking the piss! As he do have a lot of X360 games inc the more recent one which was Halo3!

    Man!

  • ps3owner #192 3 years ago

    @Godhather08

    thanks for that, clears it up. just the question of single player campain length then to sort.

    it's a first day purchase for me anyhow, multiplayer should be fun :)

  • Les #193 3 years ago

    Gameplay of the original with a better running engine to please the graphics whores and more consistent AI. Must-buy for me! :)

  • phAge #194 3 years ago

    Nobody likes a spoilsport...

  • muzzer77 #195 3 years ago

    A 9 from eurogamer for a PS3 game. Bloody must be good.

  • GamesConnoisseur #196 3 years ago

    Yossy! You are a REAL dumbass, even if you only just having fun!
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 18:00

  • DanWhitehead #197 3 years ago

    thanks for that, clears it up. just the question of single player campain length then to sort.

    It took me about 10 hours on the standard difficulty.

  • ps3owner #198 3 years ago

    thanks dan :)

    all sorted, just got to wait now... damn it :)

  • GamesConnoisseur #199 3 years ago

    10 hours is spot on for most peopel I would expect, I mean most people dont have that much time to play 20 to 30 hours game! My PS3 owning mate at work still took a couple of months to finish Dead Space.

  • Yossarian #200 3 years ago

    Well, this is no MGS4 thread, let me tell you. And it's ended as usual, with a bunch of regs spoiling my fun.

    In future, Eurogamer, could you not give games a 9? It's a wishy-washy score, and harder to troll than a 10 or an 8. Appreciated. See you guys next major exclusive review!

    Love,
    Yossarian

  • bad09 #201 3 years ago

    The review and score was expected after what I've seen of KZ2, it does look good. At least I know I've got SOMETHING to look forward to in Feb. With this and COD: WAW on my shelf maybe it's finally time to trade in the old COD4...

  • robo_1 #202 3 years ago

    10/10 from Eurogamer.es

  • the_sas_man #203 3 years ago

    so not as good as Halo 3 then...

  • KingStevie #204 3 years ago

    A 9 from eurogamer! my flabber has never been more gasted

    Of course it should be 10 lol

    Is sony starting to advertise on this site or something or have the reviewers suddenly grown some balls
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 18:07

  • neonxaos #205 3 years ago

    Well done, I say - this is the first game that truly makes me wish I had a PS3.

  • Benno #206 3 years ago

    reads like a 7

  • spudsbuckley #207 3 years ago

    Hmmm. Wasn't even on my radar up till recently. When's it out?

  • Javier·de·Ass #208 3 years ago

    haha. must be pretty terrible to only get a 9. didn't fable 2 get a 10? say no more! I can read lips, eg.

  • munki83 #209 3 years ago

    A 9 is amazing score and good for sony to get a good exclusive shooter for their console. I cant imagine it will be a system seller.

    Oh and thank Christ it wasn't another EG 8/10

  • PlugMonkey #210 3 years ago

    Well, this is no MGS4 thread, let me tell you. And it's ended as usual, with a bunch of regs spoiling my fun.

    In future, Eurogamer, could you not give games a 9? It's a wishy-washy score, and harder to troll than a 10 or an 8. Appreciated. See you guys next major exclusive review!

    Love,
    Yossarian

    lmao! Maestro! Encore!

    *applauds*

  • JediMasterMalik #211 3 years ago

    Great review, sounds excellent.

  • hulkamania78 #212 3 years ago

    i LIKE eurogamers reviews . But having read the negative review which it was. Why A 9? I am getting it, had it on pre order for 2 years but my favourite SP/MP game is gears 1&2 but I am not stupid enough to say there isnt faults with the game and for me its a matter of taste.
    BENNO said it best ' the review reads like a 7'/

    How can someone literaly slate a game then give it a 9 after 2 out of 3 pages negative to say the least.

    Sorry I dont want someone giving it a ten for my purpose if its not warranted. But come on this review is just as bad and over scoring it. its got so many faults but its a 9 RIGHT OH THEN.

    EUROGAMER SORT IT OUT

  • agparrot #213 3 years ago

    I really enjoyed the first game, and this is now on the list-of-compelling-reasons-to-get-a-ps3-when-it-is-cheaper.< br />
    Good Work.

  • spiny #214 3 years ago

    This is a great thread for building an ignore list, cheers guys :)

  • munki83 #215 3 years ago

    It doesnt seem like a negative review to me. It highlights the few things which seem to make the game fall shy of a 10/10 score.

  • TRUTH #216 3 years ago

    Will get this game but where is the blood & destructible environments, also has been mentioned/looks it's fairly liner!!!!...After seeing Gears Of War 2, and the demo of Resident Evil 5, playing COD 4(PS3), Far Cry 2(360) - I was hoping to be absolutely blown away; but while not disappointed I'm not that impressed that almost 3yrs in the making and hype I was hoping for something that simply out does previous games esp GOW 2 and soon Resi 5 .

    May change once I play full game but so far videos seem to have disappointed me.

  • deathdealer619 #217 3 years ago

    brillliant but so many xbox retards on here going on about 9/10 is poor, one comment reads MOGS "9/10 RIP" What a prick!

  • Mr-Bozzey #218 3 years ago

    hmm just like to comment while games like fable and GOW2 got 10's they are a different genre of game rpg's and 3rd person shooters.

    yes halo 3 got a higher score and i cant see why graphically not as good as kz2 or a.i wise not as good imo storyline ... hmm thats equalboth full of twists and turns.

    but this is a great score for something thats up against games like COD4/5 which many veiwed to be the best of the best.

    i think FPS wise .... its top place for me 1.

    no doubt it hold best game of the year .. so far !

    and no doubt it holds atleast 2nd place best fps game of this gen to many reveiw sites although i do disagree that on that front.

    cant compare it to games like gow2 or fable because well they both play differently try comparing games like uncharted 2 to gow2 thats more fitting both are 3rd person and employ the same mechanics in the game.

  • patchbox360 #219 3 years ago

    good review - but production value comparisons to gears of war should have been made in my opinion

  • Razorus #220 3 years ago

    I don't suppose Killzone 1 is available for download on the Store?

  • GeneralVinyard #221 3 years ago

    9/10
    Shame that Halo3 scored higher and was released well over a year ago eh?

  • vegard #222 3 years ago

    because gears was worth a 10? this game looks sweet, wish i had a ps3

  • MrE26 #223 3 years ago

    Gears 2 got a 9...

    Anyway, good review, looks like this was actually worth waiting for. The lack of co-op is a bit baffling though. Day 1 purchase for me.

  • Ghost_Dog #224 3 years ago

    Co-op will patched later on.

    Does that mean a 10/10?

  • mcmonkeyplc #225 3 years ago

    Man Yos you out did me! Bastard!

  • McGeeza #226 3 years ago

    I'm gutted about the lack of co-op (but not enough to cancel the pre-order).

  • Retroid #227 3 years ago

    9?

    Goody.

    /Thinks about pre-ordering

    'Bout time I had a good PS3 FPS.

  • Widge #228 3 years ago

    This is the last of the big hype games isn't it? Now we can just get on and enjoy future releases as normal people.

  • Tiel #229 3 years ago

    Yoss,

    That was genius. Missing punctuation and all.

    :)

  • Gazza_UK #230 3 years ago

    Swwweeetttt cant wait to play it!

    Anyone know what games EG has given a 10 over the years? just interested to see if they lived up to such an ultimate score :)

  • Tiel #231 3 years ago

    + the thing about afficial magazines reviewing harder --brilliant!

  • Vic #232 3 years ago

    In terms of multiplayer, this looks so much better than any shooter other than COD4.

    Graphically, it wipes the floor with Halo to an almsot embarassing extent, lol.

  • TheComedian #233 3 years ago

    Didn't Resistance 2 get 9?

  • chessboxer #234 3 years ago

    @ Vic

    The multiplayer is better than COD4. I'm happy that I was able to take part in 2 beta phases for this.

  • TheComedian #235 3 years ago

    p.s. - those saying this is a bitch-slap to the xbox need to realise that far more '10/10' and '9/10' games have graced MS's game console that the PS3 (on EG and metacritic at least) In fact, the only PS3 game to have a 10/10 score on EG is Bioshock, which is a port of a MS exclusive...

    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 19:13

  • ParanoidZombie #236 3 years ago

    Wow, looks like the whole SDF crew is gonna buy this game on day 1 and play the hell out of it, which means that KZ2's MP will be full of retards for a while, and that EG's comments threads will be a better read until the god of war3 hype machine kicks in. Remember to come back for the halo wars review, guys!

    PS: how do you manage to be so enthusiastic about another generic space marine fascist dumb shooter? Haven't you slaughtered enough nazi mexican aliens in 2008? ;)... I have to admit the graphics are spectacular, though.

  • david78 #237 3 years ago

    Very few of MS's exclusive's actually deserve a 10/10 though. I mean, Fable II was good, but it's no 10/10 game, that's for sure.

  • chessboxer #238 3 years ago

    @ TheComedian

    Not wanting to fuel the flames but there are more exclusive (not available on PC or any other platform) games on the PS3 with a metacritic rating of 80 or higher.

    Resistance 2 is an improvement over the first game. The single player is shorter (longer than COD4's though) but the action is almost continuous whilst in R1, it was slow and there were many sections with few enemies to fight. R2 also has one of the best multiplayers available too. 60 players online lag free on a console is currently unmatchable and unbeatable (until MAG comes out).

  • DanWhitehead #239 3 years ago

    yes halo 3 got a higher score and i cant see why graphically not as good as kz2 or a.i wise not as good imo storyline ...

    There are two simple answers to that.

    1) I might not have given Halo 3 a 10/10 score had I reviewed it. I think Killzone 2's single player campaign is vastly superior and, while generic, it's story is better told than Bungie's rather garbled narrative.

    2) Halo 3 wasn't just scored on its single player campaign. If Killzone 2 had 4-player co-op and the multiplayer flexibility of the Forge, and the ability to record your games, then it probably could've earned full marks.

  • SpaceMidget75 Verified Senior Software Developer, Minerva Computer Services #240 3 years ago

    Great looking game confirmed! Congrats.

    Now...
    ...I've only got a 4 pages through the comments but it has shown me that Sony fanboys really are a bunch of tedious cunts.

    All we got was a load of bollocks about how 'xbots' were gonna turn up and go mental. They didn't. Why? Because they don't exist anywhere near the scale of these pathetic individuals.

    Instead, what we got was some prick saying some "lol halo sux in ya face" bollocks, not 3 comments in! Grow up.

    Then we get another bunch of fanboys complaining that a 9 is STILL NOT GOOD ENOUGH while STILL digging at Xbox games like Fable 2. WTF!

    Are you Sony Loyalists never happy???

    I'm glad this got a 9 (and 10 on other sites) I really am. If only because it shows some of you up for the children you really are.

    There was a reason games like MGS4 got the so called xbots in there arguing, because there are well document reasons as to why that may be a marmite game. You don't see such comments here and you didn't see them in the 10/10 Wipeout HD review either. Good games are good games. I love em.

    Sorry for the rant, but I'm really starting to detest some of the individuals on here.

  • Gazza_UK #241 3 years ago

    Dan, does that mean you will re-review it if a co-op DLC comes out? ( i heard that GG will do it if people want it )

  • Widge #242 3 years ago

    You may want to read into who that individual is a bit more

  • oldergamer #243 3 years ago

    I'm still scratching my head over the 10/10 for fable 2.

    KZ2 looks interesting.

  • captainrentboy #244 3 years ago

    Wow, this is one fantastic comments section. I really don't get why us gamers are regarded as 'child like' sad fucking geeks by folk with other hobbies, all a non-gamer has to do is come on here, read 90% of the previous comments and realise that we are infact....... Hmmm. :/

    I only have a 360 at the moment, and I think I'm supposed to be feeling exxxxtreme jealousy about now aren't I? Strange, because I actually couldn't give a shit.
    Infact, if anything it makes me happy that the PS3 is building up a nice lil catalogue games that I'll be able to get when Sony pull their finger out and drop the price on their hardware.

  • miiiguel #245 3 years ago

    Oh please someone do a comparision between Fable 2 and Killzone 2! Should be a must read!

    Yellow flowers vs the hardcore shooter! Wooot for nonsense!

  • Zaltan #246 3 years ago

    9 out of 9 really though... Because Eurogamer don't give 10's to PS3 games. *Runs to Pre-Order*

  • penhalion #247 3 years ago

    @OlderGamer

    I'm still scratching my head over the 10/10 for fable 2.

    You and me both mate!

  • RedSparrows #248 3 years ago

    Sounds sweet!

    I preusme the previous 200+ comments have been shite.

  • Gavio #249 3 years ago

    Well a 10/10 to me indicates a perfect game. Now come on how many of us can say we have played the perfect game?

    9/10 is the highest I'd rate any game, of course there all going to have there faults.

    I'm an Xbox owner and Killzone 2 does look very good, would it make me go out and buy a pS3.....No!! Everyone should be happy with the console they have, both have a great selection of games and will continue to get better.

  • menage #250 3 years ago

    "I preusme the previous 200+ comments have been shite. "

    Mine was rather ace actually.

    "I'm still scratching my head over the 10/10 for fable 2. "

    Oh, grow up, different tastes, better world.

  • Salt_The_Fries #251 3 years ago

    Good for PS3 users. It looks like their lust for FPS titles will be finally quenched and Sony would move on to something else. I don't have PS3 and I don't plan to, and KZ 2 is not a game which would make me buy PS3, but it's good for PS3 users.

  • merkdot #252 3 years ago

    Good to see the Sony guys getting a game to play, they're very patient and they've earned it.

  • Monkey_Puncher #253 3 years ago

    It would have been 11/10 if it had been a Commodore 64 game

  • spudsbuckley #254 3 years ago

    This 9 better not be like the Resistance 2 9.

    I thought R2 was a horrible game and i loved the first one even with all its generic-ness. The second one couldn't even compel me to be bothered to finish it.

    Hope this is actually good and not just hyped to the hilt.

  • drumbaby #255 3 years ago

    First day fucking purchase.

  • JDub #256 3 years ago

    /flicks through previous comments

    Some crazy stuff going on there. A day one purchase anyway methinks!

  • Scimarad #257 3 years ago

    Woo and inded Hoo:)

  • GamesConnoisseur #258 3 years ago

    R2 was simply a big pile of disappointment for me personally, and thought it should have got 7/10 or 8/10 at most. Still there are enough people out there who loved it (I shouldn't begrudge them their happiness from the game but... really?!).

    People are also able to recognise good games irrespective of whether its appear on rival consoles, even if they badmouth it in public in hope of changing the tide of the battle!

    PS3 and X360 are going to be here to stay.

    So just enjoy the good games when its come to you, man!

  • Sub-kamikaze #259 3 years ago

    I think I love you Yossarian. I don't normally condone this sort of thing, but you've brightened up a rather dreary day.
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 20:28

  • secombe #260 3 years ago

    Blimey, Wii owners actually seem quite grown up compared to you lot. Awesome.

  • MrsPacMan #261 3 years ago

    Got 1/10th down Yossarians post
    ignore poster

  • Petulant_Radish #262 3 years ago

    God, you're all benders.

  • makeamazing #263 3 years ago

    @spudsbuckley I was going to say the same thing. Resistance wasnt very good and only a 6 in my book :(. Still trying to play it and like it but its just not happening. So I'm hoping KZ2 is better.

    Ps Xbox and PS3 fanboys are as bad as each other... seriously the amount of rubbish that each set of users comes out with is crazy

  • uglygamer #264 3 years ago

    [link url=http://uk.y outube.com/watch?v=CwDDM1SCafA
    ]http://uk.y outube.com/watch?v=CwDDM1SCafA
    [/link]
    Thats how it would have pretty much looked on the Wii

  • Thunderbolt #265 3 years ago

    DanWhitehead,

    '1) I might not have given Halo 3 a 10/10 score had I reviewed it. I think Killzone 2's single player campaign is vastly superior and, while generic, it's story is better told than Bungie's rather garbled narrative.'

    I'm still struggling to understand your comment on how you can praise something yet call it generic?

    I do take whatever you say about Halo with a pinch of salt as your bias is legendary.

    Timesplitters is better my arse.



  • Vic #266 3 years ago

    @ chessboxer

    Glad to hear it. I took R2 back a few weeks ago, just because I got the feeling that multiplayer would be better in this. COD4 was great fun, but I never actually got good at it. I can myself getting stuck into this. Its got so much depth - and looks bloody amazing.

  • Popup #267 3 years ago

    Can GG please make this engine available as the PS3's answer to the Unreal engine. It would be a shame to waste all that R&D on one title and it is obvious that the PS3 is not really that Unreal friendly. Decent review for a decent game and there is no such thing as fanboyism, there is only jealousy and a seeming lack of cash among gamers to rectify the situation. The console is simply a means to play the game and if this was on 'your' console (everyone else) you would buy it!

  • MilkYMoO #268 3 years ago

    Yippee! a 9/10, that is all.

  • smelly #269 3 years ago

    Fits perfectly with my theory..

    Hyped? Shooter? at least 9/10 gauranteed.

  • smelly #270 3 years ago

    >Shame that Halo3 scored higher and was released well over a year ago eh?

    *sigh* go have a wank over your xbox in celebration

  • alpha-0ne #271 3 years ago

    Like the review said this is not doeing anything new but is very polished but i reallt cant underanstd why thre is no campaign coop this is not a new feature and should be there

    Anyway still looking forward to it an want to get stuck into the multiplayer
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 20:59

  • miiiguel #272 3 years ago

    I'm sad, Dan was my favourite reviewer, why did he say those things about Halo. Oh why...?!
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 20:58

  • Widge #273 3 years ago

    Dan? BIASED?
    I find his stuff pretty fair and straight up!

  • Tyedyed #274 3 years ago

    Dont get the complaints really, 9/9 is a great score.

  • miiiguel #275 3 years ago

    I can't pull a Yoshirian stunt :}

    Timesplitters isn't very good though...

  • Law07 #276 3 years ago

    @Popup

    Unreal Tournament 3? I had it and it ran beautifully.

  • chessboxer #277 3 years ago

    @ Popup

    I think the Deferred Renderer Engine is being used in God Of War 3.

  • MilkYMoO #278 3 years ago

    A double yippee!, killzone 2 gets a great 9/10 and I just got into the Quake-live beta, oh yes.

  • Law07 #279 3 years ago

    They could have thought of a better name for the engine

  • smelly #280 3 years ago

    I *really* dont get gamers..

    The review says it's great and you should buy it... who gives a flying fug what the number is at the end?

    Personally i wont be buying it as fps games bore me.. Right.. i'm off to re-read the mario galaxy review and wank over that 10/10 score.

  • bonker #281 3 years ago

    ""I'm still scratching my head over the 10/10 for fable 2. "

    Oh, grow up, different tastes, better world. "

    Er, yeah, exactly and you're slating him for expressing his ...

    Fable II is a generous 8/10 at best and I'm an RPG-lite kinda guy ...

    (And an Xbot).

  • patchbox360 #282 3 years ago

    i still can't get over eurogamers 9/10 for sega rally - no fucking way man

  • richardiox #283 3 years ago

    OMG Yossarian is such a bell-end I had to give up reading this thread as i wanted to reach into the screen and punch his stupid fanboy face off.

    Anyway, KZ2 sounds amazing.

  • onezeonx #284 3 years ago

    so many fanboy tossers around!!

    its just fucking sad!

    this seems a great game! just as 360 had great games....enjoy it ffs

  • Nithron #285 3 years ago


    I hate Sony's PR bullshit, especially all the crap surrounding this.

    But Guerilla seem to have made a genuinely good game, and for that they deserve credit. Shit, even Sony deserve kudos for funding and publishing a high-budget game aimed at the hardcore audience, rather than just chasing the casual audience.

  • Darren #286 3 years ago

    Well Eurogamer gave Resistance 2 9/10 and it was Dan Whitehead that reviewed that too. I didn't think it was that great personally, the single player was extremely bland IMO. I actually enjoyed the first game more to tell the truth so this game could also swing either way for me.

    Still it does look visually stunning from the videos I've seen, at times I can't believe it's running on a PS3, but as far as gameplay goes it had a lot to live up to being the follow up to the lacklustre and overhyped original on the PS2. Hopefully this will play as good as it looks and not disappoint like Resistance 2. Either way, I've pre-ordered it and have my fingers crossed.

  • TurboBailey #287 3 years ago

    Wow! 9/10

    If my memory serves me right COD 4 Modern Warfare was a 9/10

    SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD


  • tomnol #288 3 years ago

    Good to see the Sony guys getting a game to play, they're very patient and they've earned it.

    Given that I still haven't finished Fallout3, GTA4 and MGS4 and have a back log of about another 5 PS3 games (plus a handful of 360 titles) which I haven't touched in weeks, there is really nothing I had to 'earn' in the first place. As a matter of fact, patience and time is something I would wish to have more in order to finish all the stuff that is on offer.

    But I take it, once a true Xbot feels pressed to unload a batch of patronizing wank, there is nothing from stopping him. I hope you have climaxed in a good way.

  • TRUTH #289 3 years ago

    GOW 2 got 9 probably because it was the 2nd game for 360 - it is a kick ass and gorgeous action game. KZ2 is the first installment franchise for the PS3 - looks great and plays a fine fps...But! I don't think it's pushed anything new above many fps. Okay! looks great - but has not given the impression from what I've seen that looks above GOW 2, and even Far Cry 2 considering that was an open world game (only played the 360 version), COD 4(PS3) - though KZ2 looks that bit sharper, but less varied in graphics. Also just played the demo of F.E.A.R 2 - the AI seems more advanced by knocking furniture over for cover, working together and advancing towards you, hiding behind walls etc. This has sort of to the kick out of KZ2 for me at present...I hated Resistance 2 too!...Where is all the destructible environment they promised!

    I like fps/action games - but I feel that KZ2 will be a slight let down after seeing GOW2, COD4, Far Cry 2, Bioshock, Half Life 2. Halo, F.E.A.R.

    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 22:01

  • jaguarwong #290 3 years ago

    As I read through that review I would have in no way expected to see a '9' at the end.

    I was only reading out of curiosity anyway - I have no need for yet another grey space marine game.

  • Darren #291 3 years ago

    @Law07 - Let's face it, the Xbox 360 isn't really all that UE3-friendly either, never mind the PS3, because with the exception of Gears of War and Unreal Tournament, which still suffered from the dreaded texture pop in issue, almost every other UE3-based game has been rife with various issues: tearing, stodgy framerates, samey looks, poor anti-aliasing and/or, yes, texture pop in which tends to give away the fact that they're UE3-based. Even games like Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey and Last Remnant were massive technical disappointments IMO.

    UE3 is really more suited to high-end PCs where the abundance of memory, fast hard drives and powerful graphics cards can run the engine far better. I should know as I'm playing Gears of War and Mass Effect on my PC at the moment... both run and look much nicer than they did on the 360.

  • peak_performance #292 3 years ago

    Great review, Dan.

    Sounds like a game I would enjoy though I certainly won't buy a PS3 for it (as I won't buy a 360 for Gears). Love your comments on what makes the FPS gameplay work, few other reviews of any genre games contain such at all which is embarrassing.

  • #293 3 years ago

    Great review! Amazing game!
    This time I'll have to buy a PS3.

  • Furfoot #294 3 years ago

    xbox 360 samiches sounds gewd to me

  • SteveB #295 3 years ago

    Well this was the game that finally got me to buy a PS3, so I'm glad it's turned out good. Could this be a turning point in the PS3's fortunes ?

  • DT-525 #296 3 years ago

    9/10 that is a excellent score. i hope that score reflects how good this game is going to be. this is a true nextgen game. Sorry xbox you just got served.

  • 3william56 #297 3 years ago

    I'm sorry, I'm not satisfied by this review. I think we need Richard Leadbetter to do a frame by frame dissection comparing it with the E3 trailer, and to lose a point for every pixel not 128x antiunfoogledemuxed.

    /wonders how many posts are on the ignored list.

  • vpin #298 3 years ago

    I can finally use my PS3 for something else other than watching movies!

    Only kidding.

    /goes back to cave

  • smelly #299 3 years ago

    >Fable II is a generous 8/10 at best and I'm an RPG-lite kinda guy ..

    Id give it 7.. too much pissed me off with it.. Like the story seems to be near exactly the same as the original (right down to going to prison, etc).. Being too easy (I'd totally levelled up around half way through). Incredibly short. Having to play through the WHOLE GAME to see the different endings... being stuck mainly to paths.. meh.

  • smelly #300 3 years ago

    >this is a true nextgen game. Sorry xbox you just got served.

    Get a fucking life you saddo twat.

  • miiiguel #301 3 years ago

    @ m¡¡¡guel :

    Dude, you even created a Live account. Wow, I'm impressed!


    edit: shit, and touched! Omg, you spent a good amount of time thinking about me, lol!
    Edited by 1 at 29/01/09 @ 22:51

  • ChadSexington #302 3 years ago

    IGN gave it 9.4, so Eurogamer is obviously in Microsoft's pocket because they cheated Killzone 2 out of its deserved extra 0.4!

    For this injustice I demand Eurogamer be banned from the internets!

  • mukki #303 3 years ago

    well written review!

    Mnnnn dont have a ps3... but now I am going to check how much they are going for on amazon...

  • Psiloc #304 3 years ago

    @ Dan Whitehead

    Pretty sure losing all your health in Final Fantasy denotes a knock out rather than death. This has probably already been pointed out but I'm not sure I can read too many EG comments without losing faith in the world and jumping off a building.

  • qball #305 3 years ago

    what the feckers is a 'muscular game'?

  • IneptPercy #306 3 years ago

    This isn't next-gen, hardware allowing crysis is much nicer looking (and no it doesn't cost £2000 to run it properly)

    I will also add the mentioned PC will also play most multi platform games at a true 1080p with V-sync.

    The PS3 and 360 are showing there age, and to me that is the problem I have with the PS3 now, when I bought my 360 I couldn't dream of having enough money to build a PC with graphics that good, now as the PS3 is just starting to get results PC's have already surpassed it.

    Right now I wouldn't bother owning any of them, as it is I only still own the 360 still as it isn't worth selling it.

  • ChadSexington #307 3 years ago

    Wow IneptPercy, thanks for that enthralling insight!

  • miiiguel #308 3 years ago

    Inept is going to play Killzone in is ultra PC.

    Oh wait, PC gamers only play Crysis.

  • jonbwfc #309 3 years ago

    "This isn't next-gen, hardware allowing crysis is much nicer looking (and no it doesn't cost £2000 to run it properly) "
    Yes, I'm sure you could get away with spending as little as £1999.

    Jon

  • Xerx3s #310 3 years ago

    "Dan? BIASED?
    I find his stuff pretty fair and straight up! "

    ¬_¬

    /coughs

  • Xerx3s #311 3 years ago

    "1) I might not have given Halo 3 a 10/10 score had I reviewed it. I think Killzone 2's single player campaign is vastly superior and, while generic, it's story is better told than Bungie's rather garbled narrative. "

    Errr....rigggghhhht. Fair enough that you think that KZ2's story is better but the rest says more about you than bungie's story skills. :/

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #312 3 years ago

    Yossarian, props for that trolling fest, nice one!
    He's probably laughed himself to sleep by now!

  • ChadSexington #313 3 years ago

    I understand that the majority of human beings are morons. This is an unfortunate fact of life and there is nothing I can do about it. However, the response threads on Eurogamer have made me despair for our race even more.

    Comments like, "I think this game I've never played deserved a higher score" and, "this game I've never played is loads better than this other game I've never played". Jesus, it's fucking pathetic.

    Sure, post your responses to articles like this commenting on your opinions on the writing or your expectations for the game, but if you haven't even bloody played it, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

  • IneptPercy #314 3 years ago

    I am not an exclusive PC gamer, I am more od f console gamer who adopted PC gaming, with that I still use my 360 pad rather than keyboard and mouse.

    Used Crysis as a PC exclusive, most games are on all 3 platforms then each have there exclusives, it is the exclusives where true power is usually realised so it would be fair to compare Crysis, Killzone 2 and Halo3 wouldn't it?

    Trying to point out bickering between 360 and PS3 is pointless, they are both out powered by PC's, I mean a that a £350 PC will out perform them(I am not listing specs, look it up), and the Wii sells more than them, so which ever fanboy camp you fall under you are losing.

    I just go with which supply's me with the best games and I will own a PS3 with killzone 2 one day is it looks very nice, just not at its current price.

  • Stoatboy #315 3 years ago

    @Xerx3s: He never said KZ's story was better - he said it was better told. There's a difference.

    Personally I wouldn't know, and I couldn't give a flying fuck about story in games at all (just point me at the thing you want shot and I'm good to go, cut the fucking jabber...), but poor English comprehension gets my attention.

  • coolbritannia #316 3 years ago

    Either way it's not the Halo killer the Sony boys wanted it to be, it's just a very good shooter that can stand on it's own merits.

  • #317 3 years ago

    Well so much for the cell and RSX being crap eh, plus not forgetting blurays drives too slow?

    edit

    Halo killer? That game is up there with fucking Halflife 2, everyone has rosey tinted glasses simply because what it did a the time it did it well, but other games have surpassed both in terms of graphics and gameplay yet gamers hang on to said memories like grandads do to werthers originals even when theres better sweets out there.

    Halo was shit, and so was 2, 3. Only teens and fucking yanks loved it hence its market penetration.

    /corks wine bottle.
    //goes to bed.
    ///wasnt serious.
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 00:05

  • smelly #318 3 years ago

    @ChadSexington: On one hand +1.

    On the other.. I quite enjoy reading what these saddos have to say.. makes me giggle that there are people this sad in the world.

    (its at this point one of the fangirls will jump in and say "shut up smell you're one of the worst for it" or something)

  • smelly #319 3 years ago

    "This isn't next-gen, hardware allowing crysis is much nicer looking (and no it doesn't cost £2000 to run it properly) "


    Oh gawd.. now the pc fanboys have started!

  • danathjo #320 3 years ago

    fanboy this fanboy that....fuck the lot of you blah blah blah
    it's a good game, yes a good game...now move on
    can't wait to play it but as if it's worth fighting for

    maybe i just don't get it

  • miiiguel #321 3 years ago

    The PC debate again. I can share my thing with PCs:
    Associate them with work, not ludic time
    Too many keys, desk.
    Buy new hardware every year (if not top of the very tops, I could use a... console).
    After getting the utra-super-costy HW, I then had to *find* a game that use it (or play and talk about Crysis, for eva, and eva..).
    Upgrades, virus, patches, popups...
    The desk!

  • foolsgold1 #322 3 years ago

    what people are forgetting here is fun factor.... nice graphics are all well n good, GRAW had amazing graphics but online it never took off....... game longevity in todays climate is all about online, which im not doubting KZ2 on as i based my pre-order on various forum comments on here and cvg talking about the beta..... but to come close to the fun factor of halo and the community of it plus the way bungie listen to the fans, i hope they can emulate that experience, if they do ill be over the moon but i seriously doubt that any game for years will get that notch... although i am looking forward to playing online loads as thats where my passion lies in gaming (screw the campaign!!!).... i just hope they sort out the lame excuse of chat quality before this game is released on PSN...

  • Obiwanshinobi #323 3 years ago

    Taras Shevchenko, anyone?
    I don't play console FPSes and I don't even own PS3, but seeing its owners getting such a mainstream game blessed with distinctive "exclusiveness" feel is kinda heartwarming. Nice to see Sony still alive and kicking. Xbox 360 owners should be glad too. Neither Microsoft nor Sony would provide high quality without any competition.

  • coolbritannia #324 3 years ago

    *goes back to 10/10 Halo 3*
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 00:30

  • IneptPercy #325 3 years ago

    I have never been refereed to as a PC fanboy before, not sure about that one. There is only one title I am proud of, that is a sega fanboy... just you wait the dreamcast 2 will show you all... I hope... Ok maybe not...

    I don't really care how the pixels get to the screen, killzone 2 is very impressive looking, it doesn't look leaps and bounds ahead of other games but certain does look amazing.

    Basically if you own a PS3 buy it.

    If you don't own a PS3 and your budget/moral standing allows you to buy one then this game maybe worth a look.

    If you can't afford it or have something morally stopping you then play something else.

    Sorted it out for you all.

    Now we are all gamers on here, be it a PC, 360, PS3, Wii etc. If we all wanted the same out of software and hardware it would be dull. Trying to convert people to buy the same console as you won't make your console any better.

    Basically play games be happy and let other people be happy even if they don't play the same as you.

  • Rottentomatoes #326 3 years ago

    @coolbritannia

    Wow, seriously? Let's at least wait til the game comes out? Have you played it? Jesus Christ.

  • miiiguel #327 3 years ago

    @Rottentomatoes
    I think he meant Halo 3 thread was way better than this. Halo does the hating thing much better.

  • Spekingur #328 3 years ago

    I'm still pretty sure that Earth Defense Force 2017 is better than this. And Halo 3.

  • monkeywithnoeyes #329 3 years ago

    so not as good as Halo 3 then? (oh no he didnt!)

  • Rash' #330 3 years ago

    it's interesting isn't it? We "gamers" say we want original, innovative content and when we get it, delivering on the hype, we don't give a shit. It's taken 9 hours for us "gamers" to reach the half way point of the full comments section of LBP. "True gamers"? Where the fuck were the "true" gamers when LBP was innovating?

  • Spekingur #331 3 years ago

    I know, Zero Cool! Who in their right minds would ever play Halo 3 and Killzone 2 after having played Earth Defense Force 2017?!

  • NegativeZero #332 3 years ago

    I'm a bit disappointed that they haven't added in some kind of online co-op mode. I could live without co-op in the single player if it had something like Gears 2's Horde mode or Resistance 2's co-op or Call of Duty 5's Nazi Zombie thing. I guess it's a reflection of the fact that KZ2 has been in development for so long that that was probably never even considered as a feature when the original requirements were being laid down.

    Without that I probably will wait for the game to hit a lower price. Decent shooters are a dime a dozen at the moment.

  • Obiwanshinobi #333 3 years ago

    Who in their right minds would ever play Halo 3 and Killzone 2 after having played Earth Defense Force 2017?!

    Who would play any game, when posting here is more fun? Playing games (and enjoying life generally) is for children.

  • Rottentomatoes #334 3 years ago

    @ miiiguel

    I meant his other post, before that one

  • roz123 #335 3 years ago

    I dont really care because i dont play console fps' but it would have been good if it had flopped like the last one so i could laugh at it.

    At least i get to laugh at all these stupid comments instead.

  • gamerbunny #336 3 years ago

    Killzowned.

  • mainaman #337 3 years ago

    Well,dull story,dialogue,characters.No FPS can reach MGS or Mass Effect level of writing,but as long as the shooting is fun,the game is great.The only game since,say,COD4,that provides in this department is FEAR2.

    I hope Killzone 2 will really live to the hype.




  • LordGamma19K #338 3 years ago

    EPIC! Bring it on!

  • j1m.ch053n #339 3 years ago

    passage of time effects our expectations - Halo 3 was 2 years ago - design has improved and designers have got to grips with what the new machines can do. therefore this 9/10 compares favourably with halo 3's 10.

  • secombe #340 3 years ago

    it's interesting isn't it? We "gamers" say we want original, innovative content and when we get it, delivering on the hype, we don't give a shit.

    Same as always really, the World of Goos and LBPs are seriously overlooked, but the usual FPS stuff gets them going bonkers...and yet they moan that the casual Wii players are killing gaming.

  • spekkeh #341 3 years ago

    I'm beginning to think the real reason for the Wii's success story is that it doesn't attract all the insecure pubescent retards. That playing games simply revolves around having a fun time again.

  • Les #342 3 years ago

    "Suffice to say that anyone who wondered why Cloud didn't just use a Phoenix Down on Aeris"

    Why would anyone wonder? Aeris was killed, not KOd so what good would a Phoenix Down do? ;)

  • wez_316 #343 3 years ago

    For anybody who read this and was angry at this game getting a 9 and not a 10... pretend you are from Portugal and all will be fine :p Not sure how anyone could know it's worth the praise of a Eurogamer 10 without playing it... or be unsatisfied by a 9... but still... enjoy the review below from Portugal!

    http://ww w.eurogamer.pt/articles/killzon...

  • hbunny #344 3 years ago

    Oh, my god. It's like listening to the fuckwits when I was growing up, "No, U2 are better than Simple Minds and you're gay!".

    Anyone supporting a faceless corporation with these extreme outbursts needs to get a life. It's entertainment, not some fucking cult!

  • drumbaby #345 3 years ago

    "I'm beginning to think the real reason for the Wii's success story is that it doesn't attract all the insecure pubescent retards"

    Actually, I think it's because it attracts non-gaming nappy-wearers from both ends of the spectrum...tots and codgers.

  • Scimarad #346 3 years ago

    This is one of those 'embarrassed to be a gamer' threads, isn't it?

  • Xerx3s #347 3 years ago

    "@Xerx3s: He never said KZ's story was better - he said it was better told. There's a difference. "

    Actually, no. But that isn't relevant because even then it would be a questionable comment. You can fault Halo 3 for a lot of things but the story and related items are not one of them (at least not for the things he claims, there are some other things which are faulty though).The plot progression is rocksolid, the camerawork is rocksolid, the animation is rocksolid and the music... well.

    But that's that. Let's not turn this thread into a thread about another game. Happened so many times with 360 reviews and it's annoying.

    EDIT: But if he could explain the comment in the H3 thread that could clear up a lot of things.
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 08:46

  • Gradius #348 3 years ago

    @Smelly

    "(its at this point one of the fangirls will jump in and say "shut up smell you're one of the worst for it" or something) "

    Is this similar to fat people who constantly joke about their own weight and put themselves down before anyone else has a chance to 'get in there' as a kind of defence mechanism to protect against someone else making a comment on their undeniable obesity? What you have just done, Smelly, seems to have an extremely similar principle. I know, I know, you're a fanboy (fat cunt) but the normal person (slim person) is screaming to get out, right?

  • Notez #349 3 years ago

    Haha, these comments are hilarious. People getting so worked over some run of the mill FPS. Seriously though, Guitar Hero 2 is better.

  • FTM #350 3 years ago

    I think its nice that Ps3 owners finally have a gears of war style game worth buying and playing..its about time they got to grips and had more than a trickle of quality titles
    now all they need to do is drop the console price to 200 quid and I will finally buy one!

  • onyxbox #351 3 years ago

    All that matters is that it doesn't suck.

    If you have a PS3 then this is a pretty sure thing. Whether it's an 8, 9 or 10 is still a must have - what's the problem?

  • thedaveeyres #352 3 years ago

    What a bunch of fucking twats

  • syphaa #353 3 years ago

    Weird review. I didnt check the score until the end [how you should do it :) ] and it kinda read as a 7/8. Spose it was always going to score higher as its Killzone 2 and its so hyped that anything less would have provoked some reactions.

    Still, sounds/looks good and I was already going to grab a copy of this on release. The multiplayer sounds fun, think that will be where my focus will be.

    Bring on release day!

  • viper_h #354 3 years ago

    I don't understand how mediocre-looking FPS and TPS that do nothing to mix up the genre or change anything consistently get 9s and 10s, but all other genres that don't do anything "original" get marked down.

    Fucking sick of FPS anyway.

  • JahB #355 3 years ago

    I don't understand how mediocre-looking FPS and TPS that do nothing to mix up the genre or change anything consistently get 9s and 10s, but all other genres that don't do anything "original" get marked down.

    yes, because killzone is such a mediocre looking game. i'd rather have a well executed game than something that tries to re-invent the wheel (see mirror's edge).
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 09:51

  • Godhather08 #356 3 years ago

    Just brilliant, rofl -> [link url=http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=zx4yDmPG-FY
    ]http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=zx4yDmPG-FY
    [/link]

  • viper_h #357 3 years ago

    It's another brown and grey post-apocalyptic snorefest. I happen to think it looks mediocre. Sorry to offend you buddy.

  • JHuxley #358 3 years ago

    "Fucking sick of FPS anyway."

    So sick you read a three page review of a hardcore FPS game and felt the need to post a comment afterwards.

    You did read the review, right?

  • Godhather08 #359 3 years ago

    "Fucking sick of FPS anyway."

    So sick you read a three page review of a hardcore FPS game and felt the need to post a comment afterwards.

    You did read the review, right?

    -----------

    He just feels butthurt and needs attention. I can guarantee you he did not read the review.
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 10:04

  • Postumo #360 3 years ago

    Still no RiddicK?

    C'mon EG give some Riddick news, this is bullshat!

  • ps3owner #361 3 years ago

    @Godhather08

    brilliant hrhrhrr ;)

  • Postumo #362 3 years ago

    welcome to Call of Duty 4 v2.0... looks the same to me. Meh game

  • Snooz #363 3 years ago

    Sounds like a jolly good game to me, and I still don't own a 360 or a ps3. From the looks of this thread these consoles give you temperamental problems and narsissistic traits making road rage look like a minor irritation.

  • JHuxley #364 3 years ago

    @Postumo

    No, this game has some AI.

  • kangarootoo #365 3 years ago

    I give this thread 2/10.

  • space_ace #366 3 years ago

    well i'm glad to be proven wrong about "guerilla not having the touch" cheers

  • Spooke #367 3 years ago

    these are the most important parts of that review:

    -Killzone 2 isn't going to be pushing beyond the boundaries of its genre.
    -there's no co-operative mode
    -Story may not the game's strongest suit,
    -it's the moments where the game slips into videogame cliché that let it down
    -Unfortunately, your default sidearm is always a pistol and a fairly useless one at that.
    -Taken as a whole, Killzone 2 doesn't initially seem to offer enough to justify the superlatives that have been dutifully set aside by the PS3 faithful.

    I played the game in testing and I can tell you all it's a straight 7/10 and absolutely nothing more. Generic, scripted and with nothing that can even touch Half Life 2.

  • Darren #368 3 years ago

    This game has no HDD install which is impressive given its stunning looks. However, several reviews I've read pointed out that the game hitches now and again while its loading data so it's a shame that there isn't an optional HDD install. I don't like mandatory HDD installs but I'm fine with optional ones as that means that regardless of how much free disc space you have, you can always play the game when you want to.

  • Moonprince #369 3 years ago

    .
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 10:48

  • kangarootoo #370 3 years ago

    @Spooke

    Wow, what a wholly objective view you have there.

    "these are the most important parts of that review"

    Well so says you obviously. All you did was make that statement, and then follow it with a list of negatives. A work of genius subterfuge, well done, you should be a spy.

    When you wrote that out, did you actually take even a second to think "will this convince anyone I am right, or will they just see it for the unbalanced fanboy tosh that it is"?

    Seriously, does anyone think before they write?

  • Darren #371 3 years ago

    @Spooke - All you can tell us is that *you* think the game is worth 7/10 and no more. I've heard similar things said about Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, Gears of War and Resistance 2! ;)

    Everyone is different and clearly there must be something good about it because the game has been getting very good scores across the board. Personally, I was disappointed with Resistance 2 but that still got 9/10 on this site so there's no guarantee that I'm going to enjoy Killzone 2 as much as Dan Whitehead either. I'm hopeful though.

  • Spooke #372 3 years ago

    have you played the game to the end?

  • you\'reallidiots #373 3 years ago

    9/10 is a great score - why does everybody always want 10/10?! I had the beta - this game is brilliant. Period.

    Anybody saying "But Halo 3 got 10/10...!" so what?!

    Maybe 10/10 is given as being the best game that platform can acheive. Lets say, for example, Silent Hill 4 on PS2 came out on the PS1, exactly as it appreared on the PS2. It scored an 8 on the PS2, but as it pushed the hardware so far on PS1, they'd give it a 10.

    So, effectively, a 9/10 leaves room for improvement. You get too many 10/10's you're gonna rest on your laurels and get lazy.

    Also - some of the fanboy comments on here; "PS3 kicks 360 ASS", "Suck my 360, PS3 owners!!" are pathetic and embarrassing. Grow up.

  • killzone_maximus #374 3 years ago

    farticusmaximus:

    "with nice graphics but not doing anything new or extraordinary. "

    Do you want it to make your eyes bleed and your head explode before you consider a PS3 game to look fantastic?

    "Nice" graphics and "Nothing extrodinary' are your way of saying 'Meh, gears is better"

    Animation, my dear, animation. Killzone is leagues ahead of anything in Gears 1 or 2, as is the lighting.


    "Still sounds an awful lot like Gears to be honest. Apart from the 3rd person viewpoint they are both solid, good-looking, slow-paced, cover-based shooters featuring a space marine and his buddies shooting man-shaped aliens in the face through a variety of brown and grey landscapes with a suspiciously generous sprinkling of waist-high walls. "

    Oh eff off Farticus. You are scratching around to find ANY justification to dismiss this in the face of a bunch of fantastic reviews, so you can continue dismissing the PS3 for having 'a poor library of games'

    This stopped being true about 18 months ago and you know it. So stop being such an XTARD fanbot and wake up for once.

    Oh and I fully expect you to come back from playing it on DrDamn's machine with a list of further objections to it being a decent game.




    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 10:56

  • killzone_maximus #375 3 years ago

    Spooke:

    I very much doubt you have too - anyone can back up fanboy tosh with 'I played it in testing' without ever having proof to show that they actually did.

    It's too late now too, because you can pull any detail from your arse just by looking up reviews and using that as 'proof'.

    just admit your a jealous fanboy xbot ho cant fathom how a PS3 game got a good review. Especially a highly anticipated one that you hoped would be shite.

  • Goodfella #376 3 years ago

    have you played the game to the end?

    It doesn't matter if we have or haven't. Your opinion is just that, nothing more. One mans meat is another mans poison, as they say.

  • Spooke #377 3 years ago

    I can assure you I wouldn't even bother commenting if I hadn't.

    I'm not even a fanboy. I have all three consoles and enjoy them all equally.

  • killzone_maximus #378 3 years ago

    Spooke:

    Sorry, but your word carries about as much weight as a kilometre square of vaccume.

    You havent played it, you know you are talking Shiite, and nobody will ever believe you did.


  • Spooke #379 3 years ago

    Well I invite you to go and pay the money and enjoy it then.

    I was only telling you my experience. If you don't believe me that's absolutely fine.

  • killzone_maximus #380 3 years ago

    farticusmaximus:

    Frightened of people telling you that your opinion is arse?

    Oh clearly you are!

    Ignore away, it wont change the fact that you are a backward PS3 hater.

  • killzone_maximus #381 3 years ago

    Spooke:

    And we told you that we doubt you had any experience, so I think we' take the prfessional reviewers who actually have played it over a poster in a forum who claims to have tested it and hated it.

    Reading your posting history suggests you like to make trouble - fanboy? Or just troll. You decide.

  • youhavenomail #382 3 years ago

    The majority of Killzone 2's scores are perfect for Guerrilla, really. Good enough to sell the game, not so hyperbolic that there'll be a GTAIV-style backlash when everyone starts playing it.
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 11:14

  • #383 3 years ago

    Can the argument that the ps3 is inferior graphically with a pointless CPU now be laid to rest?

  • Spooke #384 3 years ago

    Well I don't really think I am a troll, I may have made a few comments about this game that grate if you are a blinkered fanboy. But on the whole I love a good FPS, but I just think this is generic and has nothing in it that sparkles.

    As I said I have all three consoles, I'm currently enjoying GT5,Grid and Bionic Commando on the PS3, COD5 on the Xbox and Tiger Woods on the Wii.

    But you all really must realise that by posting my comments on here they are my opinion, maybe I should prefix everything I say with 'In my honest opinion i think that' but I didn't really think that was needed...

    Apologies if I've hurt your feelings, ask mummy for some bitty.

  • Redeye #385 3 years ago

    Good review, sounds like an interesting take and a definite improvement on the lacklustre original.

    *doffs hat to Yossarian*

    Kanga: 2/10? Bit harsh, you must be on someone's payroll with a score like that. ;))

    And to everyone else that thinks that 9/10 isn't good enough - what bloody planet do you live on??

  • killzone_maximus #386 3 years ago

    Spooke:

    Prefix it with whatever you want, it does not make it true.

    Fine, you can hate the game for being 'generic' (I think you need to look up the defenition of that, as KZ2 is far from generic), but your opinion is worthless because is based on fantasy.

    Now go back to playing your imaginary PS3.

  • Spooke #387 3 years ago

    says the fanboy who names himself after the game... so no bias there then!

  • DrDamn #388 3 years ago

    @DaemonB
    I'm not sure that is actually the argument. Most will agree the GPU is a bit inferior on the PS3 but the deficiencies can be made up for - the argument is about how tricky it is to make up for those deficiencies. Until we have decent parity across multiplatform titles that will still persist. This is probably improving but taking far too long.

  • Spooke #389 3 years ago

    yes... good advice indeed.

  • killzone_maximus #390 3 years ago

    Spooke:

    Wimp.


  • miiiguel #391 3 years ago

    @ farticus:
    Buddy, these guys are freakin hilarious. They have so much time in their hands and a fixation for 360s. Check this out: [link url=http://gamers.eurogamer.net/user_profile.php?user_id= 305400
    ]http://ga mers.eurogamer.net/user_profile...[/link]

    Amazing! The amount of time this guy spent doing this!!! I don't know if I blush for being famous or be scared for the stalker...


    Some PS3ers just flipped. I hope Sony starts to do something worthwhile, otherwise I don't know where this ends. Should I buy a dog ?
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 11:37

  • Rash' #392 3 years ago

    DrDamn, most will also agree that leading on PS3 will bring that parity sooner. So maybe the question should be why do devs and publishers not support the platform properly?

    edit: gamersyde has posted a number of vids. If nothing else Spook, the visuals most definitely aren't generic.
    Edited by 2 at 30/01/09 @ 11:41

  • miiiguel #393 3 years ago

    @ Rash:
    I've been reading that since... Oblivion. Oh..., right than you had Burnout. Two games in 3 years. Woot?

  • Rash' #394 3 years ago

    miiguel, don't forget CoD4. Seriously, it's true. Converting from PS3 to 360 is more practical, efficient and cost effective. Only EA has been quick to pick up on that.
    Edited by 2 at 30/01/09 @ 11:49

  • miiiguel #395 3 years ago

    @Rash:
    I'm not in a position to say you are wrong, however I fail to see many examples. And I don't buy the MS owns the world and it's paying for the PS3 to look bad.
    Neither I buy the "PS3 is harder to program to because Sony wanted that way" (end quote, from Kaz), by the way.

  • OllyJ #396 3 years ago

    Well I've got a 360, have never even been tempted to buy a PS3 at all but I must say the game looks pretty solid, one game I'm definately jealous I can't play!!!

  • The Storm #397 3 years ago

    so does this have co-op online mode?

  • ps3owner #398 3 years ago

    I didn't think this thread would get interesting again, but for some reason the power of the cell has come up. maybe there is still some life left in this thread? who knows... could also be the standard zombies who debate the same shit until kingdom come. bit like politics. hm. anyway, keep it up

  • DrDamn #399 3 years ago

    @Rash'
    Lead platform will have something to do with it sure, but it still seems fairly obvious from what devs have said - and even crazy Kaz himself - that the system is trickier to get the most out of and that is going to have an impact. MS are masters of software and dev - it's one of their strongest points, so even with a less complex machine there would be differences in this area.

  • DrDamn #400 3 years ago

    @Farticus
    Actually that was internet rumour - GG and Sony have both denied it. GG even going so far as to say the way levels load would prohibit it. So official line is no - maybe it will come at some point though.

  • Bilbo_bobbins #401 3 years ago

    I read this review thinking they were saying it was "so so" but then they gave it a 9/10? How can you pretty much give it all negatives through single player then do that?

    I am gonna buy this, but this review is crap.

  • Rash' #402 3 years ago

    miiguel, you don't see many because devs and publishers have been slow to recognise that leading on PS3 would a better strategy for multiplat development. i never said MS are paying the world to make the PS3 look bad. where'd you get that from???

  • The Storm #403 3 years ago

    guys, where's the cheapest place to buy it?
    amazon? willl i get it on release day?

  • zedzee #404 3 years ago

    There's nothing in the review that jumps out at you and says that this bit was wicked and that part was divine or anything like that.

    It reads like a preview to me; a technical run-down of the game's framework and some of the tactics that players have to employ - that's all.

    And of course, it wouldn't be a KZ2 article if it did not mention that infamous E3 2005 target render footage.

  • DrDamn #405 3 years ago

    @Bilbo_Baggins
    It all really depends how big the negatives affect the game and how much the positives do. You don't just list them and then add em up. The feeling I got from the review was that the best part of the game is the core gunplay - which the reviewer really liked. So on balance that was the score he felt the game deserved. Contrary to your point it actually makes it a very good review, because he covers the negatives and you can see from those whether they would be worse for you personally.

    Too many reviews with high marks skip over or ignore the bad points - and every game has them - so you have no idea what didn't bother the reviewer so much but might bother you.

  • ps3owner #406 3 years ago

    @the Storm

    try play.com

  • BM #407 3 years ago

    Read the review, watched the vids, looks bloody brilliant.

    As a 360 owner I'm a bit jealous to be honest

  • #408 3 years ago

    DrDamn and FartiX...


    I see, thanks for the info.

    @Nick_

    And you cock gets hard for 360 10/10s amirite?

  • DrDamn #409 3 years ago

    @The Storm
    I'd recommend ShopTo - see big banner. Terrible website but great service.

  • Rash' #410 3 years ago

    DrDamn, I'm not disputing the facts, I'm just stating that devs and publisher also have a responsibility in improving the quality of their productions on Sony's platform. The facts you state have been dwelt on for long enough, maybe it is time for some action, that is my point. Changing the lead platform will go some way towards helping in that.
    Edited by 2 at 30/01/09 @ 12:34

  • miiiguel #411 3 years ago

    @Rash' :
    I didn't say you say those weird things (yeah generalizations are stupid...). Heck, that's also why I talk to you.

  • LewisResolution #412 3 years ago

    I haven't read the lot. Has Yossarrian pulled off his mask and declared "AHA! GOT YOU!" yet? I love how one person can single-handedly derail an entire thread like this. Excellent satire.

    Lots of talk of the score, as expected, and very little discussion of the actual REVIEW PART OF THE REVIEW. Please be aware that scores tend to be awarded pretty arbitrarily. One person's 7 is another person's 10 is another person's 4.

    Very surprised at the lack of co-op - Dan's right, that does feel like a glaring omission in this sort of title.

    More stuff later, maybe.

  • pinhead #413 3 years ago

    This game looks pretty good. Not sure what the whining about the score is for though? 9/10 is a good score.

    I would make this the first purchase if I had a PS3 oh and 7.1 surround sound. Nice.

  • Rash' #414 3 years ago

    miiguel, you confused me as it was addressed to me. no worries. :)

  • Moonprince #415 3 years ago

    @miiiguel

    "The amount of time this guy spent doing this!!! I don't know if I blush for being famous or be scared for the stalker..."

    It does make me wonder about the mental state of some of the posters here. It's all very well being passionate about a hobby, but when it get's personal like that then alarm bells must surely start ringing..

    lol miiiguel. You have the cheek to say something like that after the pm's and emails you once sent me..? Joker.

  • Weezer #416 3 years ago

    YES! Post number 475!!

    [EDIT: Oh yeah, er... KiIllzone 2. It's great. Whatever.]
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 12:39

  • local_celebrity #417 3 years ago

    @BM

    "As a 360 owner I'm a bit jealous to be honest."

    Me too. So much so, I almost bought a PS3 last night. A bottle of wine plus Amazon is a truly dangerous thing.

    But even in my drunken haze, I couldn't part with the readies. The fucking thing's still nearly three hundred quid. Someone should go round Sony's and open the fucking curtains. Show 'em a paper or something.

  • ps3owner #418 3 years ago

    Argos has it for £270

  • CroKiller #419 3 years ago

    Killzone 2 9. Halo 3 10. :D

  • miiiguel #420 3 years ago

    @Moonprince:
    It didn't take me any time at all. And it was a personal message. You got the joker part right, though.

  • samk #421 3 years ago

    "Very surprised at the lack of co-op - Dan's right, that does feel like a glaring omission in this sort of title. "

    Yeah - I'll still be buying KZ2 but the lack of co-op is a bit disappointing. Over the last few years the most fun I've had with shooters is playing through in co-op. Resistance 1, Vegas 1 & 2, Army of Two, Gears 1 & 2, Halo 3; I've haven't actually fully played through any of those in single player, but have done so multiple times in co-op.

    Still, looking forward to playing through KZ2 in single player and hope that the devs do find a way to give us co-op, even if it's a bit of a hack (such as warping the other player nearby when someone reaches a cutscene/checkpoint/whatever.)

  • The Storm #422 3 years ago

    what's in the limited edition version?

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #423 3 years ago

    Killzone_Maximus is obviously a rabid, stone island wearing firm leader for the SDF.

    Stand Xbots!

    edit - I wonder how long it will be before they have organised fanboy firm battles at games conventions?
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 13:05

  • Beek4257 #424 3 years ago

    @Nick_: "You think this review is bad, go read the Dead Space review and lol at the 7/10, or the RE4 Wii edition review that also gets a whopping 7/10

    PS3 had Eurogamers GOTY last year, Little Big Planet, yet even that can't get a 10/10 around here. Got to be a 360 game for that honour."

    As far as I can tell, of the 37 10/10's EG dished out, only 3 are on 360 of which only 1 (Halo 3) is an exclusive.
    That's a lot of digits in one sentence but still.
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 13:07

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #425 3 years ago

    From memory, Beek, there's;

    Bioshock
    Oblivion
    Halo 3
    Fallout 3
    Braid
    Fable 2

    So 6 there from memory but only 2 exclusives (think braid is on pc). Most recent 10 was world of goo on the Wii, right? Did MS pay eurogamer off for that one too? sheeit!

  • DrDamn #426 3 years ago

    @Beek4257
    Fable 2?

  • GamesConnoisseur #427 3 years ago

    Yeah and the way people goes on about bias from EG re 10/10 (Yossy not inc!) you would have though X360 would have loads! Score is just a number, the real deal is the article itself!

    While a lot of people have suggested EG do away with scoring, but this would never happen as too much people place importance on the score, readers, publishers/devs and this attract business.

    Show me a successful site that doesnt operate any scoring system? I m gonna be flabbergasted if there is one that is mainstream and successful!

  • Darren #428 3 years ago

    Well I hope Killzone 2 isn't as disappointing as Halo 3. Halo 3 was a real letdown for me, I think I enjoyed Resistance 2 more than that game and I didn't think that game was all that great. Oh Halo 3 was good enough, yes, but for a flagship title for the 360 the overfamiliar gameplay and occasionally lacklustre visuals and sub-720p resolution with no AA really let the whole thing down IMO.

    Shame really because I remember the excitement of playing Halo for the first time on the Xbox, it was astounding, but all I thought while playing Halo 3 was how "meh" it was. That's the single player only by the way as the multiplayer modes don't interest me at all.

    I'm quietly hoping that Killzone 2 captures that "Halo" feeling again, particularly as I've never played the previous game apart from the dire demo. That Killzone 2 is getting very good reviews is, at least, encouraging as I was utterly convinced it was going to awful at worst and mediocre at best after the PS2 original. I'm looking forward to being proved wrong in that assumption! :)

  • Execta #429 3 years ago

    AWESOME !!!

    A 9 from a infamous Xbot site! Well, Killzone 2 will rock! You saw that now.

  • teabagger #430 3 years ago

    A game that no one here has played yet has generated 469 comments...

    says it all really.

  • Darren #431 3 years ago

    Of course, it doesn't help that you haven't played it either, teabagger, and that your own comment is one of the 472 so far. ;)

  • Dave52 #432 3 years ago

    local_celebrity: "Me too. So much so, I almost bought a PS3 last night. A bottle of wine plus Amazon is a truly dangerous thing"

    LOL... hang on a few months - I reckon there'll be a price cut. As for KZ2, I'll be getting it on release day - I'm pretty excited about it...

  • Beek4257 #433 3 years ago

    Oops. Offcourse Fable II. I stand very much corrected.
    I must admit I just quickly scanned the EG reviews archive by score, thinking they were - you know - complete. Should have read the disclaimer...
    Silly me.

    Is 2 exclusives a lot though? Maybe for some, but it doesn't sound like a lot to me. Especially since EG apparently has dished out over 40 (40? Yikes).
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 14:15

  • Tonka #434 3 years ago

    9/10 LOL!

    cancels pre-order

  • knightmt #435 3 years ago

    Enjoyed the review, this is such an over subscribed genre that it is difficult to focus on the differences.
    It is funny but this string actually makes me want a 360 so I can make my own comparisons damn.
    I would like to say so many woman so little time, but it is more like so many games.

  • DrDamn #436 3 years ago

    @Beek4257
    No your actual point is still sound. EG have a reputation amongst some for MS bias but there is little evidence for it.

  • Les #437 3 years ago

    "That Killzone 2 is getting very good reviews is, at least, encouraging as I was utterly convinced it was going to awful at worst and mediocre at best after the PS2 original."

    I expect that the great graphics count for 99% of the improved review scores versus the original. Game journalists are graphics whores after all. If you didn't like the slower gameplay of the original you're not going to like this one I'd expect.

  • miiiguel #438 3 years ago

    "Tonka
    30-Jan-09 14:36:12 9/10 LOL!

    cancels pre-order
    ignore poster"

    /giggles...

  • Vanmunt #439 3 years ago

    @Fartywankamus

    fishing for an argument much?

    To be honest, I was pretty angry with myself that I let such a blatent wanker wind me up so much. This is not called fartygamer, shocking to yourself I am quite sure, and your opinion is that of a retarded ferret. I am glad I have the intelligence to just ignore you, and this I assure you will be the last post in response to anything you post.. congrats your the greatest...





    but i'm better

  • speedjack #440 3 years ago

    Nice to see the PS3 owners finally get the decent exclusives they've long been waiting/due for.

    Still wouldn't buy one though.





  • KingStevie #441 3 years ago

    Reading this review again , it has no emotion almost as if it was written by a nazi robot lol while reading the guys other reviews he scores highly he gushes all over them , i think he begrudgingly gave this a high score

  • TONYgr #442 3 years ago

    GamesConnoisseur

    Show me a successful site that doesnt operate any scoring system? I m gonna be flabbergasted if there is one that is mainstream and successful!



    KOTAKU!

  • HermitArcader #443 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 09:17:39 22-12-2011

  • Collie #444 3 years ago

    I saw what looked like an obvious exploding barrel in the movie clip on the bridge. FPS still have these in 2009?

  • DrDamn #445 3 years ago

    @Collie
    Yes it was, I also demand realism be put before fun or enjoyable gameplay mechanics! Whatever were they thinking?

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #446 3 years ago

    Lol @ Kingstevie

    I love these comments sections!

    I reckon a good inflamatory article would be to compare platform exclusives , say Gears of War2 vs Killzone 2 against each other in terms of graphical performance. That would really get people pissed off!

  • GingerNathan #447 3 years ago

    Actually he's correct there is a fighting staff called a Kung Fu Pole, carry on.
    Edited by 1 at 30/01/09 @ 16:44

  • RGAires #448 3 years ago

    humor.......

    http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=zx4yDmPG-FY

  • Toadie48 #449 3 years ago

    500+ comments!!! Wow!

    9/10 is an excellent score. PS3 owners have a reason to celebrate. An excellent PS3 game has just been released.

  • Tyranix #450 3 years ago

    lol omg liek thiz iz doomzday 4 ps3 lol i define mself by ms choice of video game conzole lol

    Seriously though, superb that Guerilla got their act together. As for all the hilarious fanboys on both "sides", keep the laughs coming. ^^

  • Midwinter #451 3 years ago

    Fuck this, I'm off to pre-order Persona 4.

  • Chalee #452 3 years ago

    Fuck this shit, I'm off to play Ikari Warriors, a game for REAL MEN!

  • dominalien #453 3 years ago

    I, for one, am not really happy Sony decided to match MS's dominance of the FPS. I would have been a lot happier had they not gone out of their way (meaning: neglected other genres) just to make up for any perceived or real deficiencies in this area.

    OTOH, MS is really going for the JRPG this gen, so Sony are not the only ones feeling deficient.

    I'm glad KZ2 is good. Not my cup of tea. I hope RE5 gets 10/10 and is as good on the PS3 as on the X360 :-)

  • KingStevie #454 3 years ago

    The robot that wrote the review was built based on this guy

    http://uk .youtube.com/watch?v=UQdIXkVaHy...

    i wish we could have an angry xbot review
    Edited by 3 at 30/01/09 @ 19:26

  • Chupakun #455 3 years ago

    Lol at shit hitting the fan and splattering everywhere.

    Meh @ high Xbox game scores: how does it affect your enjoyment of KillZone II? It doesn't right. So stfu.

  • adizorz #456 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 19:38:08 13-12-2011

  • MyPointIs #457 3 years ago

    You all +1

  • actionfitz #458 3 years ago

    eurrrgh.
    review reads like a generous 8, strange that...
    cue fanboys issuing contracts on my ass for heresy.
    think i'll nab this from Love.film.com :) try before you buy for the winzors!
    hope it lives up to the score. one more reason to leave my other consoles unplugged.

  • Wildsleven #459 3 years ago

    woho im so glad for the ps3 ;)

  • HardCoreGamer999 #460 3 years ago

    Fantastic ! getting the game ASAP ..
    They had the time to do it well and they done excellent ! Well done Guerilla !
    Good for Sony ..they needed that

    no need to bring the xbox 360 in this debate , both will bring out good games this year

    Edited by 1 at 31/01/09 @ 09:14

  • konniehuqfan #461 3 years ago

    san andreas review had 264 comments only...

  • JoeNut #462 3 years ago

    gonna rock!

  • goopy20 #463 3 years ago

    Wow sure was hard to read through that review. I dont want to sound like a dumbass (probably to late) but it's sounds like this was written by a Nasa scientist?

    I mean "you can feel the clutter hovering over your shoulder. Texture maps are scrutinised for the slightest flaw, frame rates obsessed over, AI team-mates subjected to Mensa tests. (err does this mean it looks good?)

    Fortunately, Killzone 2 makes it easy to ignore them. Let those with vested interests debate the pointless minutiae. (right.....)

    What people want to know is how good this game looks compared to say Gears of War 2. We all knew the graphics are the biggest selling point for this game and it seems to be a good showcase of what the ps3 can do. But are the graphics really the new benchmark for future console games to beat?

  • BurningR #464 3 years ago

    fuck you Xbox 360 lovets outt here your games are crap and you are all faggots, bow down to da mighty PS3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • SexySquirrel #465 3 years ago

    Did it ever really matter if this was an 8 , 9 or 10 ? What Sony really need right now is a system seller , the way Sonic was way back in the Mega Drive days , Super Mario 64 for Nintendo 64 and to a lesser extent Wipeout and Ridge Racer for Playstation. This was never going to be a system seller , there might be a few of you who would buy a PS3 for this , but it's a tiny percent. Sony's great white hope was LittleBigPlanet , it offered something completely different to 360 and Wii but so far the sales haven't been enough to really pull people to the system despite aggressive pricing for a flagship title ( £17.99 on Amazon.co.uk before Christmas , try finding Gears 2 for that ! ) , that was a far more important title than this could ever have been , it's a good fps , both the 360 and PS3 have plenty of them.

  • DrDamn #466 3 years ago

    @Goopy
    Yes - too late.

    @SexySquirrel
    Gears 2 was £30 in some shops on day of release. Just about every big title at the end of last year was available greatly discounted pre-Christmas. The only exception I can think of was Left4Dead - which in my opinion was one of the titles which should have released at a budget like price.

    I'm not sure Sony with all three Playstations have every had a big "system seller" to be honest. Plenty of titles which would tip the balance for some to invest the cash in the console - but not the sort of games which just about everyone who owns the console will have or have had in their collection at some point. A Mario or a Halo.

    With PS1 and PS2 it was more about a broad range of quality titles. Something some would argue is what the PS3 did/does lack. However I think the PS1 and PS2 show you can win a generation with this sort of approach and in some respects it can be advantagious.

  • Kryon #467 3 years ago

    I don't get it.. Wasn't it a common place jibe from the SDF "lulz teh 360 is only 4 da FPS init lulz", now after a few years they get a generic FPS and it's all changed to "lulz teh XBOTX iz liek sooo jelus ov teh CELL powa!!11!" . I'm sure 360 owners have enough FPS to satisfy them (which actually allow co-op), they also have games like Star Ocean to look forward to and of course a few of Sonys lost exclusives like FFXIII, so I can't see any Xbox owners feeling too upset at the prospect of the SDF having KZ. Especially as it's worse than Halo lol.

    Although I do agree that Sony probably didn't pay EG for the 9/10. Their company has become such a pathetic flop over the years that they can't afford to hand out cash for favourable reviews, Sony are so poor that when Kaz Hirai goes to KFC he has to lick other peoples fingers. Not to say MS do pay for good reviews, but I do accept that they are a successful company and could obviously afford to do so, but why would they want to, the 360s game catalogue is obviously superior to that of their rivals.

  • Moonprince #468 3 years ago

    kryon. Pretend for a moment it wasn't you that wrote that, then have a reread.

    Can't tell me your not thinking 'what a cock' surely...

  • goopy20 #469 3 years ago

    Hmm ps never had any systemsellers compared to xbox? I dont want to sound like ps fanboy because i love all consoles but if there is one thing that ms sucks at it is creating interesting game franchises. There is Halo, gears and that's about it. In the time of the ps2 and original xbox the ps had some major game franchises but the reason a lot of people preffered the big X is because it had better graphics. Hell i bought the ps3 because of mgs4 but also because i want to play games that look better then the xbox360.

    Now that killzone2 is out people want to know if this is a game that truly shows the power of the ps3 and some reviewers are a bit vague about this. They say things like "This is one of the best looking games evah!". But that doesnt mean shit really. What will sell ps3's is a game that shows it can do stuff the xbox360 simply cant do. Even if the gameplay sucks major ass then the engine will be used by future games. Off course a pricedrop will help the ps3 as well :)

  • Kryon #470 3 years ago

    @Moonprince

    Not at all, you should learn to take things in context, I think my comment fits in quite well here with all the other posts such as "fuck you Xbox 360 lovets outt here your games are crap and you are all faggots, bow down to da mighty PS3". At Least my post has elements of truth in, with a sprinkling of light hearted humour and without the use of profanities. It's not my fault if the truth in my post upsets you.

  • Obiwanshinobi #471 3 years ago

    At Least my post has elements of truth in, with a sprinkling of light hearted humour and without the use of profanities.

    Surely you didn't let this light heart of yours fall onto your toe lately.

  • Kryon #472 3 years ago

    @Obiwanshinobi

    What is that even meant to mean? You're saying I'm light toe...hearted? Damn! You cut me deep, man...You cut me deep.

  • TRUTH #473 3 years ago

    The game is actually quiet liner, and the explosions are a let down esp compered to COD 4 & GOW 2...Seeing many videos of the gameplay, I have to admit that the graphics are nice - but not the way Offical Sony Magazine has made them out; as mentioned before if witnessed games like GOW 2, Far Cry 2, COD 4, Fallout 3 etc - you will be less impressed. Will by game though.

  • KingStevie #474 3 years ago

    I get what your saying about the explosions buddy but if you think those four games look better than killzone 2 you need to get your eyes checked out

  • DrDamn #475 3 years ago

    @Goopy
    "Hmm ps never had any systemsellers compared to xbox? I dont want to sound like ps fanboy because i love all consoles but if there is one thing that ms sucks at it is creating interesting game franchises."

    I don't think the Playstation brand has had anything like a Halo or Gears where the title gets owned/played by the majority. It has had plenty of games which sold very well and may well have convinced people to buy the machine - but that's a different thing.

    In order to get into the market MS has done very well in creating/owning two very good franchises in Halo and Gears. They have been hugely successful and are therefore interesting enough to a lot of people. The problem they are now facing is not just expanding the game portfolio but getting people to see that has happened. Moving on from their current position they need to be seen as a lot more that Halo and Gears.

  • Les #476 3 years ago

    "I don't think the Playstation brand has had anything like a Halo or Gears where the title gets owned/played by the majority."

    True, its user base has always been diverse in taste while xbox (peronally I believe more by accident than by intent) initially had little more to warrant its existence than Halo which led to a dedicated following of console shooter fans. MS has built on this position with Gears.

  • DrDamn #477 3 years ago

    @Les
    I think it was intent myself. MS needed a way in and it has certainly worked so far. FPS seemed a natural route considering it's popularity and MS's PC background. Now it needs a stronger message of diversity - I think it has got good game diversity - it's just the message needs to be built on. You can see that this is being pushed by the level of advertising things like Lips and You're in the Movies have had.

  • migasUK #478 3 years ago

    there's any game for ps3 10/10?

  • mustardkid #479 3 years ago

    lol @ yossarian

    the clue is in the name guys - yossarian is the main character in Joseph hellers catch 22, one of the greatest satires written

    our yoss is no joseph heller - but you are being satirised, and desevervedly so judging by the response.

  • J.C #480 3 years ago

    Ps3 is shit lol.

  • J.C #481 3 years ago

    Ps3 is shit lol.

  • mike_mgoblue #482 3 years ago

    PROBLEMS

    1. Killzone 2 does NOT have a Co-Op mode for the campaign mode against the PC.

    This is a BIG PROBLEM because new games such as Halo 3 and Gears of War 2 include features such as 4-player Co-Op against the computer in Halo 3, and 5-player Co-Op against the computer in the new Gears of War 2 Horde mode.

    * Clearly, if Killzone 2 was released on the Xbox 360, it would NOT have received a score of 9 out of 10, because the competition is so much tougher.

    2. Pop-Up

    The amount of Pop-Up in the graphics in Killzone 2 is almost as bad as Daytona USA on the Sega Saturn...Seriously, a screen-shot of this game may look good, but seeing it in motion has a LOT of problems!

    3. Low-Resolution Textures

    Killzone 2 has very low resolution textures that appear throughout the game. Just take a look at the shadows of troopers who run by you. It looks TERRIBLE!

    4. Lack of Polygon Detail

    Killzone 2 is an example of how the PS3 does not have the polygon power we were hoping for. Only the dark environments look good. The dark environments allow the developers to forget about background detail in the environment so that they can use the available polygon power on the characters. But when you are in an outdoor environment or an indoor environment with lighting, things change and the characters suffer because the resolution is lowered.

  • QotSAfan #483 3 years ago

    You're all highly amusing nutjobs.

  • jihad #484 3 years ago

    I've just finished playing through the demo of KZ2 and am frankly underwhelmed. Aiming was really difficult and putting the scope on R3 is just absurd. Graphically it was very dull and hardly compares to GOW2 or even COD4 and that game is probably a year and a half old by now. I think i might have to rent this one out before committing to buying it.
    Overall i'm concerned that Sony are just pissing in the wind with another generic shooter which doesn't add anything new to the genre.

  • frazzl #485 3 years ago

    It's a shame Yossarian was outed. This thread has stagnated without his hilarious input :(.

    Anyway I've just played through the demo. It's pretty hefty (over 1.2 gigs) and very short (you'll cruise through it in around 10 minutes), but it is worth getting if you want to form your OWN opinion.

    The game looks good, there is no doubt about that, but in my opinion it is definitely not the best looking console game available. Titles like Resistance 2, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, MGS4, UT3, and Gears of War 2 (yeah, yeah call me an Xbot I don't care) all easily look as good if not better. And no it does not look anywhere near as good as the pre-rendered movie used to hype the game in 2005, or for that matter Crysis running on a top tier PC.

    Gameplaywise, I didn't experience any problems with control latency. Aiming was responsive, and the weapons "felt" great. Both NPC and enemy AI was competent on the default difficulty setting and the addition of a cover mechanic is most welcome. The game does feel a bit slow compared to shooters like Half Life 2 and COD 4, but I didn't find it to be a problem. I didn't like the fact that you can only carry 1 weapon in addition to your handgun. and having to hold down R2 to remain in cover is a bit of a hassle. In all if the demo is any indication, I think the game will be pretty good. Good enough for me to place a pre-order for it anyway .
    Edited by 1 at 06/02/09 @ 02:20

  • TRUTH #486 3 years ago

    Played the demo 10 times - I'm actually not that impressed ?

    1-Graphics while nice - I still think the GOW 2 does alot more onscreen with more effects. Also this game felt very liner (couldn't even take one step into the sea on 1st section), and where is all the destructible environments that Sony made a fuss about - it's all scripted. Nice looking but just at present show me nothing anything above games like GOW 2, Dead Space, COD 4, and even Far Cry 2 (effets, explosions, physics, and an open world - go any where to explore).

    2- AI again seem good enough, but nothing to take it above other games out there. Though on demo it was a standard difficulty setting the scripted scenes are really obvious as in the first section berfore the warehouse. (IE:Rash) The bridge - until you blow it up nothing will happen. the squad will just sit there, you can go for a stroll & they'll do virtually nothing... in the middle of a battlefield! Halo did away with such cheap design years ago, and while CoD4 did demonstrate it can still be done the holes are starting to show in that game. But in this demo they are insulting. Really it's like they showed no interest in hiding them. Very poor.

    3-Way to liner & scripted.

    Am disappointed at present - the control just didn't feel quiet right. Though the single player might not have got the credit that online gameplay got for this game, I'll probably buy it as I am a fps fan & so-far this seems the best for PS3.
    Edited by 2 at 06/02/09 @ 11:44

  • vegard #487 3 years ago

    good job sony, you just made me want a PS3:) actually, i guess that happened around LBP, but even more with kz2 which is more my kind of game (yes, own a 360, which by default makes me a FPS-lover, right?)

    i have absolutely no problem with the game not bringing anything new to the table. gow 2 didn't either, but still turned out smashing!

  • Machiavellian #488 3 years ago

    Well, I guess I will throw in my experience with the demo.
    First and foremost, I believe the hype for KZ2 will be a problem if the demo is representative of the complete game. Let me list my likes and dislikes

    Likes:
    AI - The AI is good, they will rush to cover, throw grenades, and flank. I would like to see them on a harder setting because they will still stay in the same cover and get shot which is still a problem.

    Physics - Very good Physics. Nothing above what you will find in the best FPS games out there but definitely in the top 5.

    Particle Effects - Nicely done. The small details are covered, and really enhanced the presentation of the game

    Animation - On par with COD4 and in some areas better. I did see some stiff moments but they were few and far between.

    lighting - Definitely very good and gives the game a nice Atmosphere. There are somethings that are done better on other games but overall KZ2 is definitely in the top 5.

    Dislikes
    Cover System. I feel GOW and Rainbow six does it better, especially Rainbow 6

    Only one main weapon you can carry. Why limit the player with the handgun seems to be a very bad design decision especially since the handgun is about useless.

    Textures - They look muddy and low res. I am not sure if this is due to the way the PS3 does AA but they are not up to par to GOW2, Dead Space, MGS4, COD4/5, Uncharted and a lot of other games I can list.

    My main problem was that I had read all these reviews, people hyping the game crazy that it was the best looking game on the console and I did not come away with that feeling. If at best, KZ2 feels on par graphically with other top games out there and gameplay wise about average. If the PS3 is the only system you ever play, you probably would still consider MGS4 a better looking game if only going by the Demo. I must say that I was disappointed and I usually never let hype infect me about a game until I play it. I actually must drop a lot of my expectations that I had for KZ2 and come back to it later because right now my expectations are clouding my ability to enjoy the game for what it is.

  • woodyrulesok #489 3 years ago

    I agree that only being able to carry one gun is annoying, but still really enjoyed the demo, can't wait to get the game. Supposedly it really picks up after the first couple of levels.

  • bogmonster #490 3 years ago

    so how many 360's will be traded in, in the next week? Sony should expect to find a boom in their market! mwhahahahaha!
    Why is the demo so huge? I know it's brilliant and everything, but it only lasts like 5 minutes!
    Edited by 1 at 07/02/09 @ 13:46

  • Kryon #491 3 years ago

    "Why is the demo so huge? I know it's brilliant and everything, but it only lasts like 5 minutes! "

    Maybe Sony included a few rootkits and such like, I hear they like to do that sort of thing to their victims *cough* sorry, I mean "customers"...

  • Widge #492 3 years ago

    Multiple languages etc

  • Widge #493 3 years ago

    or insert moan snipe comment here....

  • GamesConnoisseur #494 3 years ago

    EDGE SCORED 7/10

  • m0thr4 #495 3 years ago

    Killzone 2 got a 7/10 in Edge and a somewhat withering review. Looking at the reviews in Metacritic, many of the 90% reviews' summaries seem more like 70-80% scores.

    I enjoyed the demo, but I think I'm going to wait for the hype to settle down before buying this.

  • TRUTH #496 3 years ago

    I can't see what the fuss is about it!...The demo seemed just like a standard fps & extremely liner, also like I mentioned before the graphics, while all nice but so-far from the demo I wasn't blown away by them. I sort of agree with the below points...


    athlete_gamer's picture
    On February 5th athlete_gamer said:

    Killzone 2 isn't a game I'm interested in. The fact that there is no Co-Op mode is a really big disappointment. Games released in 2009 now have a standard to live up to, even on the PS3. Games like Gears of War, Halo, and even Resistance now have a standard to include a Co-Op mode. Yet Killzone 2 fails to live up to that standard, since no Co-Op mode is included in the game.

    In fact, Killzone 2 has actually been receiving a lot of criticism lately for the following reasons:

    * Framerate: The game only runs at 30 frames per second. This doesn't compare with other games that run at 60 frames per second like Gears of War 2, Call of Duty 2,3,4,5, and certainly not Halo 3, which runs at 60 frames per second with a dual-frame buffer. If Killzone 2 would have been released in 2006, it would not have faced such tough competition, because the original Gears of War only ran at 30 frames per second (although the PC version ran at 60 frames per second). But even in 2006, the AAA games like Gears of War had set the precedent to include a Co-Op mode, yet Killzone 2 simply does not live up to that standard.

    * Polygon Pop-Up: This is a major problem in Killzone 2. Walk forward several steps, and then walk backward several steps. The amount of detail that pops into your view as if it teleports, and then pops out of your view as if it teleports is worse in Killzone 2 than any other first-person shooter released this generation on any console. Some of the critics say Killzone 2 is the worst with polygon pop-up since the ugly Daytona USA on the Sega Saturn where the mountain of Sonic the Hedgehog popped up in three seperate pieces. Killzone 2 does have quite a few levels like this where it is almost that bad.

    * Loading: My friends who recently played Killzone 2 told me that it's very annoying the way the game will suddenly experience "pauses" throughout the game that last for up to two seconds at a time. The reason for this is because Killzone 2 does not allow the game to be directly installed to the hard drive. Since the PS3 transfers data at a rate of only 9MB per second (compared to 16MB per second for Xbox 360) it means that there are occasionally hiccups in the game that look like awful framerate stuttering that lasts for one to two full seconds. This isn't just something that happens "between levels" like the Official Playstation Magazine said. Remember, the very biased Official Playstation Magazine was stupid enough to say that Killzone 2 is "The best game ever made," which we obviously known isn't true. So there is no doubt that Sony is paying them off to falsely promote the game and leave out the bad stuff. Trust me, those "pauses" throughout the game are very bad. Each of my friends told me about them.

    * No Co-Op mode: My friends and I totally lost interest in Killzone 2 when we heard there is no co-op mode. No Co-Op mode takes away a lot of fun from the game.

    * No replay value: Now that February 2 has passed and the reviewers and testers are allowed to write about the game, people are pointing out that Killzone 2 has very little replay value. When you beat the game, there is nothing left to do except go back and try and find pointless stuff. It would have been fun to find that pointless stuff if you could do it in co-op mode and talk to your friends while playing, but doing it on your own would be pointless and boring.

    * Loss of Resolution: A lot of the new reviews are talking about how Killzone 2 experiences loss of resolution in characters in the background, and even the shadows of characters taking cover in the foreground. I actually saw this in a video, and it looks really bad. In outdoor environments it gets even worse, because the GPU of the PS3 is forced to share polygon responsibilities with the CPU in order to make up for the extra detail that is needed. Unfortunately, the PS3 doesn't have the ability to display all those polygons, which means resolution is once again lowered on the characters. This is the reason why the developers of Killzone 2 try to keep the entire game in poorly lit environments. That way there is less need to display background detail, which allows polygons to be used on the characters in the foreground. This is actually a smart move if you do it once in a while, but to try and make an entire game like that gets old quickly.

    * Weapon graphics: Graphics such as the flamethrower look awfully bad in Killzone 2. The flamethrower alone proves that Killzone 2 failed to live up to the false videos from 2005 in terms of graphics. All you need to do is compare the flamethrower now to what was shown in 2005 and you will see for yourself.

    And just for the record, MGS4 only influenced PS3 hardware sales for one month. After that sales returned to normal. And like critics often point out, MGS4 dropped all the way down to #34 in monthly sales after just one month.

  • bdc #497 3 years ago

    Truth really really hates the PS3.

    Should be said, you got a lot of things factually wrong too. Like the GoW and Halo running at 60fps thing.
    Edited by 1 at 08/02/09 @ 23:00

  • merkdot #498 3 years ago

    "It's atmospheric, with swirling wind, clouds overhead, and lots of smoke and dust, but it's otherwise static, soulless, and entirely uninteresting, the setting for prosaic Call of Duty firefight after prosaic Call of Duty firefight. Exploding barrels and out-of-place exploding electro-spiders are as dynamic as these levels get. I go all the way to a whole other planet, and this is what I find? Retreads of the same places I've been fighting on Earth all along?"

  • DrDamn #499 3 years ago

    @Farticus
    Yeah later levels are meant to open up and fair bit and give you some choices of approach - the demo is essentially the beginning of the game. Agree on the standard of the graphics. It does a lot a stuff very nicely but as you say has been given a lot of time. Graphically it's not a generation bar raiser - but certainly a standard other PS3 shooters need to aim for in terms of polish and cohesion.

    Controls become more natural as you play and adapt but it does highlight the short comings in the PS controller for me too.

    One comment on CoD and the 60fps. It's not just the graphics engine which stop a game from reaching that, but the physics and AI need to run in the timeframe too and I think this is where CoD tends to economise. It relies in a lot of scripting in the game to manage these. When there are calls on the physics model such as exploding cars or an airstrike then the game can chug with the best of them.

  • Fat_Pigeon #500 3 years ago

    i love the tried and tested method of the generic linear shooter this game does nothing new what so ever but i dont mind that i like that....

    but what a FPS should always do it get the pissing controls right. its too slow even with all sensitivity maxed out the deadzone's horrible and the acceleration just dont make the controls feel tight enough. then there's the ps3 pad which is outdated and shit why can they not just put the analouge stick where the dpad is who uses the dpad any more ??

  • GreyBeard #501 3 years ago

    7/10 from EDGE isn't a bad score at all. Nothing to get worked up about imho.

  • Xerx3s #502 3 years ago

    farticusmaximus: Pretty much my 2 cents after playing the demo.
    Fat_Pigeon: There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with linear fps gameplay. The best fps games known to man are linear.

  • Xerx3s #503 3 years ago

    Moonprince: He is that, but he also has a point though. Certain people here where definitely crying out things like fpslol, HDD=4lamers, size, etc. They've made a massive 180.

  • Rottentomatoes #504 3 years ago

    I have to say... people who are saying FEAR 2 and COD4 are anywhere near Killzone 2 in terms of graphics are either blind or delusional. I can understand GOW2 and Uncharted comparisons, but on console Killzone 2 definitely holds the graphics crown by far, something most sites and even Edge admits. I'm out.
    Edited by 1 at 11/02/09 @ 01:27

  • LewisResolution #505 3 years ago

    When we talk about 'graphics' are we talking about the technical prowess of the engine, or a combination of that and the art design? KZ2 looks incredibly derivative to me, despite the crisp textures and high poly-counts.

  • muscleblade #506 3 years ago

    A 92% average on metacritic tell me this is probaby a very good game. But the hype for KZ2 has been higher than for any other game ever. The fact that Gears, Gears 2 and Halo 3 has gotten better reviews overall tell me this game didnt deliver what many believed it would. LBP is the PS3 exclusive with the highest reviews and is therefore the flagship title for the PS3. Killzone 2 is not.
    It might be a very good game but its not miles better than the competition in any way.

  • DrDamn #507 3 years ago

    @Muscleblade
    "The fact that Gears, Gears 2 and Halo 3 has gotten better reviews overall tell me this game didnt deliver what many believed it would."

    Yes - conclusive proof that if you play this over Halo 3 or Gears 2 you will experience and notice up to 2% less fun!

  • VandelayIndustries #508 3 years ago

    Wow! A tremendous amount of nit picking and false statements going on here. And so many people desperate to dampen peoples enthusiasm for a game too.

    I didn't see this many people moan about a lack of co op in Far Cry 2, Fear 2 or Fallout 3, so why this game?
    Play it or don't play it. Either It's your cup of tea or not.

    And TRUTH, are you taking the piss man? If not at least get your facts straight. Halo 3 at 60fps? Clearly it does 30fps and at a reduced resolution (no doubt to get all the additional features in), and if you're going to use Gears 2 as a standard bearer for graphics on consoles you should really concede its failings as well. The quite frequent texture pop in and the badly reduced frame rate in the later set pieces that I noticed in my play through ;)

  • muscleblade #509 3 years ago

    @DrDamn

    You misunderstood me. KZ2 is definently in the same leage as Gears 2 and Halo 3 even without the coop. But many thouth it would be miles better than the compettition and no one can honestly say it is. Its up there with the best shooters but its in the same leage as the competition not better. Of course its a "must buy" for PS3 owners in the same way that Gears 2 is a "must buy" for 360 owners. No more no less.

  • LewisResolution #510 3 years ago

    It startles me how many people are making sweeping statements about the overall quality of a game of which they have only played the demo.

  • DrDamn #511 3 years ago

    @muscleblade
    Fair enough. It looks like it will be a great title - anyone expecting it to "blow away" previous great titles was being a bit on the delusional side. That sort of title is very rare.

  • Les #512 3 years ago

    Have downloaded the demo but haven't played it yet (which is what happens with 99% of demos that I download. I just don't like demos that much I guess...) Why I keep downloading them I don't know. I guess it's because I can.

    Still looking forward to this (first one was good if you can get past the struggling engine), hope to play it before the end of the year.

  • LewisResolution #513 3 years ago

    @farticusmaximus

    If you're only concerned with the genre's mechanics, then chances are you'll be happy with any polished yet vacuous shooter. Many, however, won't be.

  • DrDamn #514 3 years ago

    @Farticus
    I think your control issue is more with the actual controller than the game. I've played it through 6 or 7 times now and find it fine but the sticks on the PS3 controller are not as good as the 360's you are used to.

    I'm increasingly impressed with the AI - even on the fixed "trooper" level. The encounters are different every time I play it.

  • muscleblade #515 3 years ago

    DrDamm wrote: "That sort of title is very rare"

    Its rare alright. Did happen with Gears though. Gears of war did set a new standard for shooters and blew the compettition away. When i first played Gears it was just incredible in every way. Gears 2 couldnt do the same for me. The standard was already set.

  • DrDamn #516 3 years ago

    @Muscleblade
    I agree to a large extent - tempered a little by personal tastes - it was the first 3rd person shooter to work really well for me. It also had a lot of nice elements which sometimes are overlooked and can be brought into other shooter genres - e.g. active reloads. It's not perfect for me, but did progress the third person shooter in a lot of ways.

    The only other shooter this gen to have such a big impact for me is CoD4 and purely for the multiplayer progression. There it was not so much anything new about what it did - but the balance and execution was outstanding.

  • LewisResolution #517 3 years ago

    @farticusmaximus

    Depends, really. That's a pretty solid argument for big-budget mainstream stuff, but what about beautiful yet broken games like Pathologic or Dear Esther? Where do they fall? And I mean 'beautiful' as in 'poignant, emotive, atmospheric, meaningful' etc, not 'pretty to look at'.

  • jetsetdemo #518 3 years ago

    If only COD4 had not been so good!

  • webcider #519 3 years ago

    Best shooter to date it makes non FPS players play FPS games. ITS THAT GOOD !!!!

  • electrolite #520 3 years ago

    @webcider

    I totally disagree. I'm not into FPS's at all and I'd rather play Halo

  • ThemisB #521 3 years ago

    The demo is of the fucking tutorial! How can you have such an informed view of the game, especially you Farticus? Fuck off to another forum and talk about games you LIKE on systems for which you do not have a irrational hatred. Cunt.

  • Les #522 3 years ago

    "Best shooter to date it makes non FPS players play FPS games. ITS THAT GOOD !!!!"

    Killzone is more hardcore than arcade fare like Halo and Call of Duty, hence less people will be able to appreciate it.

  • webcider #523 3 years ago

    Les:

    Well you might be suprised but some people who dislike shooters, actually found the Killzone 2 demo suprisingly appealing.
    Don't look suprised this game has something which none other shooters deliver.

    I don't know what it is because on the surface it looks Generic however the more i play it the more i love it. the enemies the way it feels its just different and fun. You know what i hate Halo - Gears of War and all the other generic shooters. However Killzone 2 ticks some buttons the way it feels the way it plays its just really fun. I never would have been a person to believe that Realisme Equals fun but in this example its true. So yeah go go killzone 2 i will be playing the shit out of you.

    Games i LOVE! Okami - ICO - Shadow of the Colossus - Katamari - Knytt - Cave Story - Persona 4.
    And yes i love what i have played of Killzone 2. as you can see im not much of a shooter freak. maybe that give a hint!

  • Kryon #524 3 years ago

    "You know what i hate Halo - Gears of War and all the other generic shooters. However Killzone 2 ticks some buttons"

    Does it tick the "PS3 fanboy" button?...Oh, I see...

  • m0thr4 #525 3 years ago

    @GreyBeard
    7/10 from EDGE isn't a bad score at all. Nothing to get worked up about imho.

    True, it's not a bad score by their standards... but then neither is it a great score, which is what I was expecting, given the ridiculous levels of hype surrounding this game.

    On the very next page in Edge, F.E.A.R. 2 gets 8/10 from the same reviewer.

  • m0thr4 #526 3 years ago

    This sounds great. A bit too Gears Of War homo-erotic for my liking but worth a look I suppose.

    Actually, it's a bit worse than GoW in that respect. More macho posturing and far more swearing makes for a game targeted squarely at teenagers.

  • Les #527 3 years ago

    "Well you might be suprised but some people who dislike shooters, actually found the Killzone 2 demo suprisingly appealing."

    Yeah, at least a bit. :)

  • Les #528 3 years ago

    "On the very next page in Edge, F.E.A.R. 2 gets 8/10 from the same reviewer."

    Like all reviewers, EDGE are clowns. They gave BioShock an 8 and I wouldn't be surprised (nor would I care) if they gave high marks to crap like Oblivion too... Just read the text from multiple sources and form an opinion of your own instead of hiding behind the opinion of others. Might be human nature but that doesn't make it less sad...

  • webcider #529 3 years ago

    Kryon there is nothing fanboish about it.

    I don't like to continue playing shooters like in MP however i keep coming back for more when i play Killzone 2.
    And i think its because the enemies are way more dynamic than i ever imagined would be possible on a video game.
    I think fear delivered something like this but i never played that because of the Horror element. So excuse my ignorance.
    However i played Halo and also tried Gears of War 1 - Bioshock - Halflife and so on. I don't find them as interesting as Killzone 2 and im talking entirely how the Gameplay is. The added dynamic to the Campaign makes me coming back and i really look forward to see those Bots and MP in action. Im not a Online guy. However it might be hype it might not be i just know i will play the hell out of this game. For me this is how a shooter should feel. No Hud - No Crosshair and just make you have a great immersion in the shooting Killzone 2 delivers this and much more. its a very under appreciated game and i hope somehow people might realise that later on.
    The only good thing i can recall from halo was the atmosphere and the soundtrack. but nothing gameplay wise got me hyped. then again never cared for MP in games. maybe Killzone 2 will change this also i hope so.

  • electrolite #530 3 years ago

    @webcider

    You are living in a magical happy land of fairies and elves. It's a generic-a-thon FPS and almost completely irrelevant in this generation. It isn't Wii Fit or Mario Kart, and that 360/PS3 fanboys can put this much effort into arguing about a very distant second place is embarrassing for gamers
    Edited by 2 at 17/02/09 @ 03:13

  • LewisResolution #531 3 years ago

    @ m0thr4

    "On the very next page in Edge, F.E.A.R. 2 gets 8/10 from the same reviewer."

    How do you know? Edge doesn't list who wrote what.

  • Les #532 3 years ago

    "How do you know? Edge doesn't list who wrote what."

    Maybe he assumed Edge is just a single reviewer? ;)

  • majinraptor #533 3 years ago

    been playin kz2 for the past 4 days now.... it s awesome... best shooter available on the ps3. Its visuals are f**kin mind blowin!!! cant wait for the servers to go online so i can check out the multiplayer

  • wonton #534 3 years ago

    So anyone else who's played the game and can offer a constructive opinion? Because this may be the first time since GTA4 I've ever bought a full price PS3 game just after release and, well, its gonna hurt my wallet to slap down 30-40 quid for this. I like FPS' generally but i chose to miss R2 to save a bit of money, and now I want to be doubly sure its gonna be worth it.

    Oh and fair play to the so called "xbots", after quickly scanning the last 600 comments the only idiots are the few "ps3lol" children and fellow ps3ers, shame on you lot.

  • Widge #535 3 years ago

    I bunged on the demo again and it really does look something special. You really have to get used to playing it if, like me you've been playing something twitchy like Left 4 Dead recently. I'm dead up for it though.

  • mukki #536 3 years ago

    got a ps3 on ebay to play this puppy and of course god of war 3

    cant wait

  • majinraptor #537 3 years ago

    been playin kz multiplayer for the past day(along with St4 xD) and i can safely say its awesome... very smooth and the match making is awesome.

    word of advice to people.... i played the game on veteran difficulty when i got it and some parts are insanely tough and u ll probably die like 15 times tryin to get thru it.... the screen turns greyish when u get hit alot and tht combined with all the dust and gun-fire is gonna leave u blind.

    dont play on veteran unless ur really good at fps's and dont mind irritations. took me like 8-9 hrs to finish the game on veteran.

    brilliant game!!

  • TRUTH #538 3 years ago

    Now on the 3rd level - it just seems like CoD 4 with less explosions to me so-far. The tank section is fairly naff!. Very good graphics, but seen all before & nothing beyond whats already out there.
    Edited by 1 at 26/02/09 @ 22:07

  • charliemouse #539 3 years ago

    I don't normally like FPSes, I love Left 4 Dead, have played Halo 3, Resistance, some of the CODs and Medal of Honours, but I don't usually get on with them very well.

    But I thought waht the hell, for 30 quid I wasn't going to pass PS3's biggest game up, and I'm glad I got it. The measured cover-based pace really works. It's not perfect, I have no idea who we're fighting or why and it really misses co-op, but I'm having a lot of fun. So there. I think the review was spot on.

  • butler` #540 3 years ago

    the online is pretty solid, great class based stuff etc

    the graphics really are sick, i went back on my 360 to play vegas 2 and it was like going from crysis to counter-strike

  • TRUTH #541 3 years ago

    On the 5th level now - still can't see what Cod 4/5 doesn't do that Killzone 2 does (The Ai is better on KZ though!). The graphics are on par with Cod 4; I believe Cod 4/5 does have more going onscreen then KZ 2. The games AI is not as free thinking as Halo 3's... KZ AI does not command/order enemy troops in battle, they cannot freely independently decide to jump in/out or use vehicles out of choice - it's all scripted, they do not make human errors eg: by enemies throwing grenades that miss there attended target (which kills there own troops or destroying there own vehicle or even both giving you the advantage!), in Halo 3 you or enemies can enter & use station guns or vehicles - not so in KZ 2 as this seems always to be scripted for Ai when or when not to use...I also noticed that only certain amount of characters are onscreen, this is actually tricking you as if there are more, eg: If 10 enemy characters are onscreen, then 4 get killed - another four will then come onscreen from hidden views - this goes on untill a certain amount of kills have been done!...Though the KZ ai is good, but, it's also an illusion in battle.

    Though still on fifth level the game hasn't quite grabbed me as the like's of Half Life 2, Halo, Bioshock.... and the graphics are on par with Cod 4, but, have not surpassed the various games already out there. Infact I still think GoW 2 is a better looking game considering the pace and larger explosions, particle effects and better textures with more onscreen action in GoW 2.

    The game is still very liner (thought still on 5th level!). Like the online game though! Don't why they took out the ducking/cover system though in online battles!
    Edited by 4 at 01/03/09 @ 01:05

  • GamesConnoisseur #542 3 years ago

    A must buy title for PS3 certainly, but as others said the control/aiming is made more harder than it should me and that is a biggest blot in the book for me.

    Limited to one primary weapon and a side arm is fine actually, as the devs said they are trying to be realistic, Halo was groundbreaking for forcing you to carry only two weapons and KZ2 taking it further is good. Gamewise it may limit the tactical element and forcing you more or less to choose the safe-bet gun for each area and use 'special weapon' for certain puzzles/challenges.

    Great visual and Heleghast never tire me yet! Loose aiming was the majority of the reason I died and gone back to checkpoints, as i played on hard mode straight away. However I will still say stay with the game and get used to the 'quirk' of the control and please dont say that it was a good design decision to make it so!

  • kali_mist #543 3 years ago

    A bit underwhlemed with the campaign tbh, but the multiplayer is excellent.

  • devplasma #544 3 years ago

    Finished single player on normal. Well I almost cancelled the full purchase after playing short demo. . . . glad I didn't because the final product is really good. Even the parts from the demo seemed more intense. First impressions were excellent with some great (if heavily scripted) set pieces. Didn't really like the characters in the game but the story was good and graphics are excellent. Guns felt great but I still had control issues with default settings for example I found zooming with the sniper rifle and using cover system a pain. In the end I gave up on cover system and just jumped in and out of cover. Overall I think single player of COD4 is still better but this is still fun. 8/10 for me.

    Back to GTA

  • Mr_Gallows #545 3 years ago

    How can you score KZ2 9/10 when this kind of crap is plaguing multiplayer and making KZ2 the most noobish game on the PS3 (save warhawk perhaps), with super heavy auto aim and aim assist:

    [link url=http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=ZopiWebNxq0
    ]http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=ZopiWebNxq0
    [/link]

    This has NOT been patched and there has been no announcement from GG that they intend to do so. Aiming is pointless. You just aim in the general direction of people and zoom. That kind of "Snap to target when zooming" auto aim is something only seen in single player campaigns (cod has it, FC2 has it... but ONLY in single player). Putting something like that into online play is stupid.

    Eurogamer... did you test the actual online game?

  • Les #546 2 years ago

    Finally got around to playing this. Looks beautiful and is fun to play. I like the slower paced play style way better than the run-and-gun of e.g. MW or Resistance. The guns are nice and the standard pistol is actually useful. The story isn't much but not too annoying.

    Haven't tried multiplayer.