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Turning Point: Fall of Liberty First Impressions

Xbox 360 PC PlayStation 3 First Impressions by Dave McCarthy

24 July, 2007

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It is, as Allen points out, unflinching in its depiction of violence. During his introduction, he explicitly links the conception of the game to 9/11. Which is interesting because there are other moments of resonance during the various movies and demos: planes crash into skyscrapers, rendering them towering infernos; bodies fall from the rooftops; kneeling prisoners are executed with a bullet to the head. It's interesting because it's clearly a manifestation of the American fear of invasion (which has ironically spawned several American invasions of other countries). It's also interesting because, of course, ratings boards on both sides of the Atlantic have shown a recent tendency to clamp down on the depiction of violence in games.

But Allen is confident that such an unflinching approach is justified: "We're not doing things in a gratuitous fashion. If we have any scenes that are shocking it's because they are a reflection of the reality we're trying to portray, and we're basing that on real or probable events. When we do have violence and mature moments in the game, they're serving the theme, and the theme is that this war is personal. And war is a brutal thing. We're not trying to romanticise it or to glorify it: if it's shocking it's because it should be."

In any case, there's more to the game than violence. There are also jet aircraft and massive zeppelins overhead - a facet of the advanced Nazi technology that is one of the game's key features. Like the counterfactual scenario, all of the technology is plausible and based on the research breakthroughs that the Nazis had made by the end of the real World War II. Technology like infra-red goggles, for example, or the attack blimps all stem from real-world discoveries. And in the second demonstration of the day, the blimps play a big part, as Carson dodges their searchlights, rappels along ledges, shoots people in the chest and takes out an entrenched machine-gun position in what Allen describes as one of the game's quieter levels. It's still very loud.

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Something about tanks on the lawn.

As is the final showreel, which sums up the cinematic polish and the atmospheric sense of an occupied America by showing off another of the game's key features: real-world monuments (largely getting blown up). As the action spans across New York, Washington and London, Nazi gunboats proceed down the Thames under Tower Bridge; The remains of the Chrysler Building provide a dramatic backdrop for another shootout; and finally, the White House explodes, offering a hint of the dramatic twists and variety that Allen reckons will characterise the narrative.

"Good entertainment has something to say or to invite discussion on," he argues. "What we would hope is that Turning Point offers a number of interesting themes that hopefully invite discussion. One of those is about people being the product of the decisions they make in life. On a global scale, decisions by political leaders lead to global changes, so we're really trying to have a game that explores those sorts of ideas."

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wonton
24/07/07 @ 10:48
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isnt there another game being made in an alternative universe where soviet russia invades the usa instead?

seems to be a bit of a fad going on.
bioreit
24/07/07 @ 10:52
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@ wonton

Yeah. Look at Command & Conquer: Red Alert for the best mainstream example of an Alternative History computer game.
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dredd97
24/07/07 @ 10:52
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command and conquer - Red Alert 2 had exactly that storyline....years ago..
octo
24/07/07 @ 10:53
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Stop wrapping up everything in your realism versus anti realism bunk Mr Pr Person and just make it the best fucking shooter ever made.
Dr.Gash
24/07/07 @ 10:54
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Hurrah!
souljacker2000
24/07/07 @ 10:55
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sounds SSSSSSSWEEEEEEEEET
Tiger_Walts
24/07/07 @ 10:56
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Heh, that taxi cab accident actually occurred IIRC.

Oh, the article mentions that.
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afghan_jones
24/07/07 @ 10:56
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I thought boo hiss, WW2 FPS again.

Then I read the piece and thought, ooh that actually could be good. sorta like freedom fighters on PS2 which I enjoyed a lot.

Heres hoping its actually good.
wonton
24/07/07 @ 11:01
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well actually i was thinking about world in conflict but i should really have remembered RA2 as well, heh.
Dr_Evil
24/07/07 @ 11:07
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@ dredd97 - the storyline of a Soviet invasion of the US is even older than that. See the John Milius film (from 1984) 'Red Dawn'. That earlier inspiration gets a nod from C&C: the first mission of the Soviet campaign involves a paratroop assault on Washington, D.C. and is called 'Operation: Red Dawn.'
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Mickle
24/07/07 @ 11:19
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Looks pretty interesting
BobsYourUncle
24/07/07 @ 11:20
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The screenshots look nice, but I prefer World in Conflict's setting.

USSR vs USA > Nazis vs USA
bioreit
24/07/07 @ 11:26
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Aww man, Red Dawn was awesome.

I think I have that 'saved' (ahem) to a laptop somewhere - may have to dig it out and revel in the eighties memories for a while.....

WOLVERINES!
peteb
24/07/07 @ 11:29
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/wonders if this will make it out in Germany
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24/07/07 @ 11:30
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For a game with such emphasis on plausibility that Attack Blimp design is an utter load of crap. The envelope looks about a tenth of the size it would need to be to carry that bloody great metal _boat_ propeller that it's got stuck to the back. wtf? Is it supposed to be amphibious or something?
Rev. Stuart Campbell
24/07/07 @ 11:30
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To see WHO surrendering in 1940?

You should know better, Taurus. Tch.
Hughes.
24/07/07 @ 11:34
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David Jaffe's canned/postponed project "Heartland" had China invading the US too. Unlikely it'll get made now, as it will seem a bit "me too" with this is coming.
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24/07/07 @ 11:52
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We need something to freshen up FPS and as far as gaming goes, this looks quite interesting. The idea as a whole isn't very new though. Phillip K Dick wrote a book in the 60s called Man in the High Castle which was about the US being invaded and occupied by both Germany and Japan.
mattigan
24/07/07 @ 11:54
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"Kirov Reporting" used to strike fear into the hearts of my enemies, back in the day.

Makkuro
24/07/07 @ 12:22
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Odd that there's no mention of the event that actually decided the war: Germany's defeat in the Soviet Union.
BaggyAnt
24/07/07 @ 12:25
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I'd be interested in this if I had chance to be the Germans that would be cool
Carbon_Altered
24/07/07 @ 12:51
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"That's where the blimps come from, the troop carriers that are capable of crossing the Atlantic. Why didn't they see it coming? Well it's 1953, there's no satellite"

But there was radar you fcuking idiots.
aldo_14
24/07/07 @ 12:53
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To see WHO surrendering in 1940?

You should know better, Taurus. Tch.


Perhaps Scotland fights on, holding a line at Hadrians wall.
TonyCocaCola
24/07/07 @ 13:07
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Scottland would have probably helped the nazis ;)

This game looks pretty cool, I like the Idea, i dont care how 'unrealistic the blimp is', im sure it wont ruin the game for me. Looking forward to it.
Dave_Taurus
24/07/07 @ 13:08
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"To see WHO surrendering in 1940?"

The Scottish and Welsh keep fighting. Maybe.
space ace
24/07/07 @ 13:15
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and you still can't fight as german :/
ruckus
24/07/07 @ 13:41
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...at the end of the game, Joe six pack stands at New York harbour. Dead german soldiers bodys lay smouldering in the early sun. SUDDENLY A RUSSIAN DESTROYER PULLS UP TO THE QUAY - WE WANT OUR FUCKING WAR BACK!!!!!1!!11!

...and all of 'Gods country, land of the free, freedom feckers' get BLOWN TO BITS - ha ha.
jachap
24/07/07 @ 18:39
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"We're not trying to romanticise it or to glorify it: if it's shocking it's because it should be."

Oh, fuck off.

I refuse to believe a game containing giant nazi blimps will teach anyone any meaningful lessons about the nature of world conflict. Its just war porn.

At least when Red Alert 2 did this several years ago it didn't take itself so bloody seriously.

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Scimarad
24/07/07 @ 18:46
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The in game screen shots I've seen for this game look bloody awful!
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24/07/07 @ 19:57
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German airships bombed london in the First World War. The US had dirigible aircraft carriers, until they worked out what a huge liability they were. Attack blimps are not new and not advanced. However, airships are unbelievably cool, so I'll let them off.
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24/07/07 @ 20:50
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I hope the Nazi's win in this game. Make a change anyway. Then in the expansion/sequel, the rest of Europe can overcome their Nazi overlords whilst the Nazi's are drunk after beating Uncle Sam's boys, and rescue the bloody Yanks. Then the Americans get to lick our feet in gratitude for the next 50 years like it should be.
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24/07/07 @ 21:50
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"Odd that there's no mention of the event that actually decided the war: Germany's defeat in the Soviet Union."

If the UK had surreneded by 1940, this would have been a huge help to the Germans who could have concentrated almost all of their forces in the East. No single event decided the war, so its unfair on the other Allies to say it was all the Soviets (although granted, they played a huge part).
drunkymonkey
24/07/07 @ 21:53
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That other game is World in Conflict.

Spark made Call of Duty Finest Hour, right? That was crap, but probably due to the technical limitations and not the quality of the developers themselves.

Even so: WW2 is yawn-inducing for me these days. I think only Airborne will interest me.
jachap
25/07/07 @ 11:10
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YourMessageHere, if you're post is directed at me, saying, "However, airships are unbelievably cool, so I'll let them off," just proves my point.

This is an overblown alternate history war game and that's how they should publicise it. I'm tired of games saying how truthfully they depict the horror of war. They just don't.

Games are fun. War isn't. Action titles are necessarily geared at making war unbelievably cool. They hardly promote pacifism.

As for blimps, if this game was aspiring to depict anything but a pulp fiction invasion of the USA, it seems far more probable the Nazis' rocket research would have a much greater influence on their strategy.
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25/07/07 @ 19:25
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@ jachap

No, not aimed at you at all. I was just surprised at them trying to pass off blimps as amazing high tech advanced vehicles when they're patently not.

What you say looks pretty accurate to me, all things considered; I too disapprove of them trying to make out that this is super-realistic when it is clearly another exercise in "what if...?". I suppose I just ignored that as marketing speak. So far as I can see all games seek to portray themselves as The Most X Game Ever or The Game That Makes The Experience Of Y More Realistic Than Ever Before in one way or another.
bit_mite
25/07/07 @ 21:03
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I can't help but agree with those doubting the plausibility of this game. I'm pretty sure that the Nazi government didn't want war with Britain or America - the only reason the US entered the war was Pearl Harbour, and I think the original Nazi battleplan assumed that Britain would ally itself with the Nazis. The Third Reich was (initially at least) only going to consist of France and other territory Germany lost in WWI, plus a chunk of Russia (for oil). Not that i was there or anything ;)
Thornhillboy
25/07/07 @ 22:47
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If Hitler was powerful enough, I doubt he would have stopped with Europe.

I'm much more likely to believe the Man In the High Castle turn of events.

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