Face-Off: Bayonetta

By Richard Leadbetter Published 26 November, 2009

Witch won?

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Hold onto your potatoes, because there's no way to sugarcoat this one - Bayonetta is one of the most dramatic Face-Offs we've ever had to do. On Xbox 360, it is a magnificent game, as our import review testifies. On PS3, it looks like an Xbox 360 exclusive that has been dragged unwilling, kicking and screaming across the divide.

Strictly speaking, Bayonetta isn't actually out yet. However, while European gamers can't buy it until 8th January, the game is coming up to its one-month anniversary in Japan, and it's the Far Eastern versions we're covering today. We don't expect wholesale changes on either version of the game to follow, but if the Western release does change significantly we'll make sure to report on it in a follow-up piece.

Back to basics. It's a Face-Off, so what about the assets? As usual, there's an extensive comparison gallery crammed with mostly frame-accurate shots derived from completely lossless HDMI captures, plus of course there's a customary Face-Off video to get your teeth into.

Slowed down to 30 per cent speed, Bayonetta is compared in a series of like-for-like shots. Hit the full-screen button for full HD resolution, or else click the EGTV link for a larger window.

First impressions are that performance is severely impacted in places on PS3 and that graphics have been pared down to boot. All of which seems somewhat at odds with a statement put out by PlatinumGames' Tatsuya Minami. "With Bayonetta, we created the Xbox 360 version of the game first, and then handed off all the data and other assets to SEGA so they could begin the process of porting Bayonetta to the PS3, giving them advice regarding the porting process along the way and overseeing the progress to ensure that the PS3 version would be the best it could be," he wrote.

Later he added: "All involved endeavoured to exploit the specific traits of each console to create an enjoyable experience. We feel the best way to evaluate this is by actually playing the game for yourself and coming to your own conclusions."

Which is exactly what I did, and by all measurable and quantifiable criteria the PS3 version is not all that it could have been. Bayonetta wasn't just developed first on Xbox 360, it was clearly designed to exploit the architectural advantages unique to that platform - the things that a PlayStation 3 port can't duplicate without some very significant performance impediments.

In the original demo analysis, I noted that the PS3 version runs with definite, noticeable and impactful frame-rate penalties, and also pointed out that the content chosen for the Xbox 360 and PS3 demos was not like-for-like. The content omissions can't have been a development issue - the two versions were released simultaneously in Japan - so the suspicion was that SEGA simply didn't want you to see the technologically more challenging elements of the Xbox 360 version at play within the PS3 code.

Bayonetta kicks off with a level called the Falling Clock Tower, a name which only provides a very basic description of the sheer visual majesty to which you are witness. If you've played it in the 360 demo, you'll know that it's very, very special (though it's even better in the full game). It is also completely missing from the respective PS3 sampler, and looking at the final release, it is not difficult to see why. Frame-rate is often running at half the speed of the 360 version and the performance impact, combined with the sheer amount of stuff going on, essentially makes the PS3 version more confusing than playable: you're starved of visual feedback.

While the Falling Clock Tower is one of the worst-performing sections of the PS3 code, it doesn't end there. Throughout the game the gap in performance is colossal, and pretty much unprecedented. To illustrate, it's time for some frame-rate analysis. The first video concentrates on sections that are pretty much synchronised, covering both gameplay and then cut-scenes. Note that on 360 there is a section where 60FPS gameplay transitions into a 30FPS cut-scene, resulting in a pretty sharp rise and drop in the graph.

Synchronised in-game action, with the requisite performance analysis. The difference is pretty shocking.

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Comments (158) 2 years ago

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  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #1 2 years ago

    It all just goes to show, you can't be too careful.

  • uglygamer #2 2 years ago

    Why is it nearly every game the XBOX 360 version looks more vivid and colourful. Anyone?

  • Xerx3s #3 2 years ago

    "but it's still a bit like watching Star Wars on DVD and then moving across to VHS; once you've been spoiled with the superior version, you can never go back."

    Unless it's the version with that new anakin twit mastered in over the real darth vader.

  • Rich72 #4 2 years ago

    where is this demo they speak of?

  • cyacomini #5 2 years ago

    Wonder what version Famitsu/Edge reviewed - would be a bit of a shame if PS3 owners are mislead into thinking this is a solid 10/10 on both machines.

    I havent played the demo yet so can't comment for myself.

  • Gibroon #6 2 years ago

    What I find quite odd is that Edge reviewed the game on the PS3 version and gave it a 10.

    Sounds bloody horific on the PS3.

  • Xerx3s #7 2 years ago

    "Why is it nearly every game the XBOX 360 version looks more vivid and colourful. Anyone?"

    Pixie dust.

  • miiiguel #8 2 years ago

    I don't know why this shouldn't be a 10 on PS3, what just because on another system it looks and performs a bit better? That shouldn't criple anyone's experience, you're palying it on your system.

    It just look/sounds bloody horrific because you know there's another system where it looks better, because it does not look bloody horrific on its own.
    Edited by 2 at 26/11/09 @ 15:07

  • GamerG #9 2 years ago

    yet another victory....

    "That's my boy"

    ** pats 360 proudly on the head **

  • telboy007 #10 2 years ago

    Must be up there near top place for a worst conversion ever award.

  • owl #11 2 years ago

    Wonder what version Famitsu/Edge reviewed - would be a bit of a shame if PS3 owners are mislead into thinking this is a solid 10/10 on both machines.

    famitsu, at least, scored the ps3 version lower (38 to the xbox's 40)

  • muscleblade #12 2 years ago

    This is probably going to be one of the best games next year imo. For me peronally it might be the best game this gen.

    @Gibroon

    Its not horrific on the PS3. Its just much better on the 360. I believe Bayonetta is one of the best games ever to be released on the PS3 actually. Too bad that the 360 version is so much better then.


    Edited by 1 at 27/11/09 @ 08:30

  • muscleblade #13 2 years ago

    @Miiguel

    Good point. My thouths exactly.

  • Cappy #14 2 years ago

    I guess it shouldn't make a difference if the PS3 version is still a decent title, but with games costing £30-40 it leaves me inclined to choose something else instead of Bayonetta. Full price or anything near it seems like a raw deal.

  • Shakey_Jake33 #15 2 years ago

    With most Face-Off articles, the differences are so minor that Rich has to actually explain to us what the differences are, because they're normally not immediately visible in the video. This make for fascinating reading for some of us, and irrelevent reading for others. However, this is the first example I've seen where you could remove all of the text from the article, and even the framerate counter from the video itself, and the differences would still be plain to see. That says something.

  • Gibroon #16 2 years ago

    I think I made a mistake, it was Ass II that was the PS3 version

    edit: cheers Bucko
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 15:16

  • Rich72 #17 2 years ago

    is there a demo for this on live? i must have missed it.

  • chessboxer #18 2 years ago

    On the PS3 to go from DMC4 to this? Oh dear...

  • berelain #19 2 years ago

    @ Uglygamer - its the default settings on the hardware. The Nvidia hardware that powers the PS3 is prone to looking more washed out by default, as was the case with the Nvidia hardware that powered the original Xbox. The Ati graphics which power the 360, however, are given to much deeper colour saturation, but can look a very dark by default.

    As for the comparison... well, it speaks for itself. I played the Jap PSN and 360 demos, and the PS3 version was so dissapointing by comparison. Judged on its own, it made for some entertaining fun, but its shoddy work compared to the silken xbox 360 version.

  • cianchristopher #20 2 years ago

    So, because it's designed from the ground-up to take advantage of the Xbox 360's architecture (a design which means it will always be inferior on the PS3) - the question is: why bother with the PS3 port?

    My guess is that it's a Japanese game, and the Japanese public are extremely xenophobic and inward-looking, so much so that they will never pick the Xbox 360 over the PS3. And, because of their almost total shunning of Western games (and by extension, consoles), they would have pretty much missed out on this game entirely, as it's not on a Japanese system.

    In a recent Famitsu readers list of the "Top 100 games of all time" - only 1, only 1 game was actually developed in the west (GTA Vice City).

    Contrast this with Western love for videogames which always has room for Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Street Fighter, etc. etc. etc.

    I don't like the attitude of Japanese gamers - Galapagos-syndrome, they call it...

  • caligari #21 2 years ago

    @ GamerG

    Just don't, you know, pat it too hard. Especially when a disc is spinning in the tray.

  • Tyedyed #22 2 years ago

    Ah well, thats a shame for Sega as its minus one sale for me. Theres no excuse for ports this shoddy nowadays so ill just buy one of the many other excellent games coming out this winter.

  • spekkeh #23 2 years ago

    These DF articles are getting redundant. Colors of xbox 360 are slightly more vivid. It's the same thing over and over.

  • bnazir #24 2 years ago

    Such as shame for PS3 owners. The SEGA team should look to the likes of titles such as Fifa and COD to understand the principles of cross platform development, otherwise, just don't bother and make it an exlcusive. Yes, you will get less revenue, but your reputation will not take a beating.

  • scorpius45 #25 2 years ago

    Still waiting for the Dragon Age face off.

  • Moonprince #26 2 years ago

    cianchristopher lol cock

  • cianchristopher #27 2 years ago

    @Moonprince: why, exactly?

    [link url=http://www.next-gen.biz/features/japan-votes-all-ti me-top-100
    ]http://ww w.next-gen.biz/features/japan-v...[/link]

    There you go, dickhead!

    It's easy to bash Japan, but that's not what I'm trying to do! Merely pointing out their lack of consideration for western videogames and western systems. They need to open up, more and more.

  • aaronali #28 2 years ago

    that bayonetta... she's hot!

  • INSOMANiAC #29 2 years ago

    Ahahahahhaa the PS3 is shit !!! Oh wait.......... I own a PS3............

  • Xerx3s #30 2 years ago

    "Whereas, you have to enable some options on the PS3 to show the full RGB pallete on a monitor.

    ............. Eurogamer do not enable these options. "

    When you are done sticking yer head up yer arse, you might want to read the stuff that explains in detail, time after time again, that they have taken all the appropriate steps. Even if they didn't, it would still be a m00t point as 99% of the users will use a default setup.

  • Zebula77 #31 2 years ago

    Won't be getting this game, but it's shocking to find a conversion that's this poor. Especially seeing as how multi-platform titles of late are mostly similar in every respect.

    Will be very interesting to see what happens with the EU release of this (the PS3 version I mean).

  • M_of_the_sys #32 2 years ago

    What Moonprince said.

  • markymark22 #33 2 years ago

    It's not the ps3's fault it's the coders. When most multiformat titles are nigh on equal there's no excuse. I wont buy for either system.

  • Dazzyman #34 2 years ago

    I played the PS3 demo then ordered it on JPN 360 next day (own a JPN 360 as its region locked obviously). I think its being abit over egged on PS3 it isnt as bad as their making out and totally acceptable if you buy it for that. It is abit more framey on PS3 but its still very constant.

    Both version tear very badly and they both have frame capping on some of the cutscnees. The clocktower is the first part of the game its an interactive intro then goes int a cutscene and its probably the worst part of the entire game for any slowdown on 360 (which tbh their is hardly any). PS3 one has blurrier textures. Thats about it really. It is bad enough to knock 1 point off for the PS3 version over the 360 as it is bad enough but it would still be worth a 9/10 over the 10/10 for 360. If I remember right Famitsu gave the JPN version of 360 a 40 and PS3 got downmarked slightly.

    Ive got m8s bought it on PS3 (Id have done same if didnt have JPN 360) and they been more than happy with it. The sticking point with the PS3 version is the loading anyway it loads way too much and Sega are doing a patch for it (should already be in it for retail in europe/usa). Takes about 10 combos on average to load on PS3. 360 your lucky to do one.

    Game itself, well for me its best 3d fighter Ive played and Ive played pretty much all of em lol I played nowt else when it arrived on Saturday and enjoyed the 11hours for every second and will be going back to it for years.

    BTW on that tech the scene with the tram the full game you dont get any slowdown or frame dip on retail its constant silky smooth :)

    Theirs a much better frame analysis here of PS3 demo
    http://zoome.jp/ps36 0/diary/423/
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 16:04

  • ThemisB #35 2 years ago

    What a shame for us PS3 owners. For me this has gone from a must-buy (before the version differences were known), to something I was going to pick up cheap, but now it looks like I won't be bothering at all.

    I hope it sells well on the 360 outside of Japan, as I'm sure it won't on PS3. I'd really like to see more games like this, either a sequel or more original IPs from Platinum, so buy it 360 owners!

    /jealous

  • bnazir #36 2 years ago

    Speaking as a PS3 owner, it is almost always the case that when it comes to multiplatform, Xbox has the advantage. This is not really the fault of the developers, but that of Sony and it's catastrophic delay in releasing the PS3 to market to compete with the Xbox during the early stages.

    Now the market is saturated with experienced Xbox developers hence why it is so difficult to pull off a proper multiplatform title.
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 16:13

  • KayJay #37 2 years ago

    @ notmyrealname - is it me or does it look like it could have been on the psp as well? I mean, I dont know how it plays but.. it's really not pretty.

    Yeah thats what I thought. It really aint that pretty...

    But jesus. Those frame rate caputres are amazing. The PS3 looks to struggle to to get to 30fps and the 360 is steady eddy at 60fps. Really bad.

  • IMD1_Pk #38 2 years ago

    No port can be as bad as Orange Box. Not that it was Valve's fault but that is the biggest difference I have seen on consoles so similar in spec this whole generation.

  • davisorle #39 2 years ago

    @miiiguel
    A game that runs constantly ingame under 30fps is not a 10/10. A game with bad texturing and thats blurred out and sloppy port frmo another console isnt a 10/10. There are way too many reasons why this game isnt a 10/10. Same reason why a lot of ppl didnt enjoy nor bouhgt a Crysis cause their PC couldnt handle it with acceptable FPS or why ppl love Uncharted 2. You cant expect this game to be a 10/10. Since when? Yeah the gameplay is the same but this isnt an arcade title not a puzzler that you dont even consider counting the visuals into account for a review and a game rating...

    Anyhow, what I can think of is that Sega only released this on the PS3 ( like this ) either for making extra cash ( cause if they recoded it from scratch for the PS3 it would cost more and take more time so that I dont know how they see it or works for them )... and to also not be flamed ass this was gonna be a 360 exclusive? I know it sounds stupid but come on. Look at this game and how badly its transfered onto the PS3. I really dont understand why unless they didnt expect it to be so difficult to port it without loosing so much quality and yet not managing to make it run smooth on the PS3. That might be the case.

    I just dont see how can someone with a PS3 and a 360 possibly buy it on the PS3 ofc. Other than that its a great game after all. This matter wont trouble me further. Il'll buy it on the Ps3 then but in a week or so. I dont even have time for what I have got recently.

  • ElNino9 #40 2 years ago

    Bayomehtta.

    Played the demo of the Jap store about a month ago, and thought it was shit.

    It seems to be reviewing well everywhere, so maybe it was me that didn't get it...

    Even so, graphically I think it looks shit on the 360, and is completely loltastic of the PS3.

  • FierceAngel #41 2 years ago

    Sega should of got SUMO to do the port as they've been pretty good at previous titles.
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 16:20

  • ziggy_played_guitar #42 2 years ago

    I don't know why anyone still answers to moonprince stain (not my words a EGer who already saw what a prick we have here) of a individual his contrinutions to the community resumes to "twat; cock; asshole; stupid...", what a pleasant litle dick.

  • davisorle #43 2 years ago

    @cianchristopher

    You might have been downrated aenough but you are right in too many levels. Hence the differences always on the charts form ours with theirs. I always check low rated posts. Most make sence except the yelling fanboy comments which is good that they get burried I guess.

    Edit:
    @spekkeh
    Even if there was a toaster on the article instead of the game you wouldnt have known apparently cuse you must be either blind, too slow or simply not have checked the slightest this article. Specially on this face-off.
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 16:26

  • JohnnyWashnGo #44 2 years ago

    Crikey - thats shoddy, very shoddy.

    As a PS3 gamer who does not own a 360, I have no choice but to boycott this game. Crappy conversions should be a thing of the past these days... Bad SEGA.

  • Gaol #45 2 years ago

    ciancristopher lolcock

    Indeed.

    Loves his 360 so much he is xenophobic towards Japanese gamers, despite the fact that a significant minority of them actually bought one.

    As for the topic, a Temco style rebuild was clearly the way to go, even if it meant huge delays. Pity.

  • DaftVice #46 2 years ago

    It's incredibly frustrating to see this when PS3 exclusives really do look noticeably better than 360 exclusives. Easy come, easy go, I guess.

    Edit: Knew I'd get the disagrees but you just have to look at games like Uncharted 2, Killzone 2 (as dull a game that was), MGS4 and Motorstorm 2. There is a blindingly clear difference. Not that I'm arguing that they are better games for it but expecting parity on multiplatform games should be a given.
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 16:43

  • darkmorgado #47 2 years ago

    Earlbasset, am I a sheep because I have the same opinion as everyone else here that thinks you are a complete and utter tw*t?

  • Quint2020 #48 2 years ago

    Man, I wish this game was out now.

  • Dizzy #49 2 years ago

    Good to see a 360 game not being held back by multiplatform architecture decisions.

  • Weezer #50 2 years ago

    @PS3 owners: Ha ha haaaaa!!

    Oh, hold on. I've got a PS3.

    D'OH!

  • JahB #51 2 years ago

    @DaftVice

    it's not a given. porting from one system to the other (regardless of what your lead platform is) isn't easy, and the console that isn't lead will always have a worse result. the only thing that matters is how big that difference is. and in the case of bayonetta, there's a certain studio that should go and hang their heads in shame.

  • DaftVice #52 2 years ago

    @ xXBrombeerXx

    I've got two 360s, bought the first one a good three years ago, so it's not like I don't know what both consoles are capable of. I really didn't say 360 games don't look good. You can read my comment again. Mass Effect looks stunning and GoW is impressive.

    You've played Uncharted once and haven't touched it since? I guess that gives you a full rounded impression of the game then...

    @ JahB

    Yeah, you're right. I wasn't really interested in this before it started getting all the perfect scores, I guess I'm just disappointed. Especially after Criterion led with the PS3 on Burnout Paradise and porting from the PS3 to the 360 seemed much easier and so the best option.

  • Fleeby #53 2 years ago

    Have a PS3 and a defunct 360. I still miss it. And here's another reason why.
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 17:08

  • Fleeby #54 2 years ago

    @DaftVice

    You're damn right about Killzone 2 being dull. So +1 to you.

  • Smoped #55 2 years ago

    @xXBrombeerXx: You know, I loved GoW 2 as much as the next guy, but it was very monochromatic, which is sort of a shortcut for better-looking graphics, but in the long run tends to get a bit dull.
    In fact, I'm hoping against all odds that the Avatar game will be good since it seems to be choc-full of bright, vibrant colours. Not that any of that has anything to do with Bayonetta (which I'm preordering, because I liked Devil May Cry 4 quite a bit, so there!)
    Still, no need to fight. The demos will be officially out here any day now, won't they? Then all the folks who have a PS3 but no 360 can decide for themselves if the graphical issues actually hinder their enjoyment of the game.

  • XAleX360 #56 2 years ago

    I played the demo on PS3 and it was decent on performance.

    If the PAL release gets some improvement, I'd recommend it anyway. The game's great

  • Gecks #57 2 years ago

    muramasa the demon blade is arguably the best looking game of this generation and that's on the wii, so i wouldn't put too much credence into what systems exclusives "look better" when we're talking about the 'power' of the consoles.

    i think people often confuse good art-design with technical superiority. i wouldn't be surprised if earth defence force 2017 on the 360 pushes more polygons than uncharted 2, but that's not really the point, is it?

  • freakzilla #58 2 years ago

    As a PS3 only (if you exclude PC) gamer I can't say I give a damn, Bayonetta is just an ugly whore to me. But I am surprised that someone as experienced as Hideki Kamiya (spelling error?) didn't even try to deal with the ps3 version.
    Edited by 2 at 26/11/09 @ 17:30

  • rayscoota #59 2 years ago

    All I can say is.. I hope sony learn from this generation and make a more 3rd part friendly system for the next Gen.

  • XAleX360 #60 2 years ago

    @xxrbomberxx

    Dude, you must be smokin' something pretty bad.

    Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 are totally on another, superior graphics level than Gears of War 2.

    Heck, even Resistance 2 is very close to it and Uncharted 1 does quite a few things better. UE3 is a multiplatform engine and PS3 exclusives are generally much better looking than 360 ones, because they can use the system's true capabilities, unlike these mindless ports.

  • Bangaioh #61 2 years ago

    I am lucky enough to own both 360 and PS3. I waited and bought a PS3 slim as soon as it was released and haven't played XBox since.
    I'll be forced to buy the 360 version here but honestly I wish they had done a better job in converting because I hate the idea of turning on my 360 again for something that is not an exclusive (MW2 on PS3 was pretty good for me).

  • peterfll #62 2 years ago

    All this article re-enforces is that if developers don't bother to code to the strengths of their respective platforms, you can end up with less than stellar performance. And for this generation of consoles, that applies more to the PS3 than 360.

    Yet people still read more into it, and will forever more I guess.

  • peterfll #63 2 years ago

    @ xXBrombeerXx

    Perhaps you should switch on the "next gen" filter in Uncharted 2 and then you might think it looks as good \ better than GoW 2.

  • penhalion #64 2 years ago

    We would go get it but it's not actually out here yet!

  • Lord_Gremlin #65 2 years ago

    Well, I loved PS3 demo. So I've ordered this game for PS3 anyway (thank you PlayAsia). To other PS3 owners: Look, if you like the game, support it. Buy it. PS3 outsells 360 in Japan, an if it'll outsell it everywhere PG should consider making sequels or just other games for PS3 primarily, or even exclusively. It's all about money.
    As for comparison - it doesn't bother me. I've read similar things about Viking Battle for Asgard. But still bought PS3 version and haven't noticed anything really bad. Well, I've played with that patch, which added Dualshock 3 vibration.
    Than again, I remembering Famitsu score. 38 out of 40 - which means, 2 out of 4 reviewers think that PS3 version is just as excellent as 360. As for technical stuff... When I read such articles, I remembering Crysis. Photorealistic game, horribly dull.

  • Vergis69 #66 2 years ago

    Yet another dig at the PS3, this site seems to love doing that. ANY Excuse. Lazy developers are to blame for this, not hardware, there are enough games out there to prove the PS3 can handle better than that and I shouldnt need to list them.

    I own all current gen consoles btw and no I dont think the 360 is shit. Just fed up of these stupid "Face-Offs"

  • LeD #67 2 years ago

    Once again the PS3 get cruelly sodomized by the 360.

  • Smoped #68 2 years ago

    @LeD: The PS3 was asking for it though, with its voluptuous 250 gigs practically bursting out of the seams of its sexy new Slim outfit.

    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 18:02

  • EuroStalker #69 2 years ago

    Xbox owners may have time to play this game given there hasn't been any thing fresh and decent for a while but where are these PS3 owners getting the time to play Killzone 2, Uncharted 2 and my personal favorite A Crack In Time. I haven't even touched FIFA 2010 since getting Uncharted.

    I want more time. Must finish these games before March 2010.
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 18:08

  • cjb110 #70 2 years ago

    I know this tends to generate into fanboi mess, and I'll be upfront and say all my gaming is 360 and PC, my PS3 is excellent blu-ray player but not one ounce of it says 'play me', so I've played and completed Heavenly Sword and got some PSN games that's it.

    But I can't believe these face-off's are still basically going 360's way, with proper textures and effects and decent frame rates. Surely the devs have had long enough on the PS3 to get things sorted? Is it just that dev is done on PC's and 360 is much closer to PC's so its easier to get better results? Or is there some fundamental design issue with the PS3?

  • fjharps #71 2 years ago

    in most cases i think trophies/achievements has a lot to do with peoples preferences if people are into trophies they end up getting it for the ps3 and don't bother if its inferior same goes for the 360 and achievements.

  • xentar #72 2 years ago

    for a long time it was PC gamers who had to cope with extremely bad ports from consoles. Now it seems like most developers are using their PC dev skills to make games for X360 and not put enough effort into PS3 versions of their games. And thta is a shame. Looking at Uncharted 2 its very clear that the machine is capable of awesome things... The only good news is that there are not many ports this bad. And I wont exchange my PS3 in favor of loud and ugly Microsoft machine with paid online play. And trust me, I used both for a long time

  • berelain #73 2 years ago

    @notmyrealname - you need to see it moving to appreciate how good it looks. Stills make it look fairly bland. Its the animation and amount of pyrotechnics that make it awesome to look at.

  • Calgon #74 2 years ago

    I think its time for a SDF cull... amIright people? Grab a rifle and lets shoot some vermin!

  • GreyBeard #75 2 years ago

    You know back in the day, a truly bad port was usually characterized by missing features and content, broken controls, and other things that drastically diminished the experience.

    Now, apparently, just having slightly weaker graphics is considered to be OMFG NOWAII!!!

    I'm not defending the port -its clearly inferior to the original- but really is all this teeth gnashing justified? Do you play games to actually *play* them, or for the bragging rights of how slick it looks?

    I've got a half-decent PC, but its nothing compared to the best of the best. So I get to play games on High detail, not Ultra High. I'm still playing the same games though, and I don't feel the urge to run out and buy the latest, top-of-the-line, GPU every 6 months.

    The point is this: judging from the movies the PS3 version -sloppy though it is- is still running at >30fps on average, and that is fine. There's this thing called FRAME COMPENSATION, its what you need to have when you can't guarantee a constant, fixed, frame-rate, which is true in this instance for BOTH builds.

    What that ensures is that the input response is not tied to the screen refresh rate, so the game plays consistently even when the poor hardware is blowing a gasket trying to keep up with the action.

  • Calgon #76 2 years ago

    Colossus80 oh STFU!... the most immature, bitter and blinkered gamers are PS3 fanboys. I dont really read the PS3 sections as a result of this(so I wont know about the trolling from the 360 fanboys... but Ive seen plenty of the reverse and theres an aire of self rightiousness about them too like its their right as PS3 fanboys to shit all over 360 related topics) and if I did buy a PS3(which I might do eventually when I have the time and think it would be worth it for me... i.e enough exclusive that *I* want) I wouldnt dream of going online with it because free or not I find theres a large section of its fans who are sad bastards. Say what you like about the 360 fans but Ive never seen a verbal assault on anyone just saying they prefer the PS3 try saying you prefer the 360 around some of those fanboys and watch their reaction... its pathetic and its one of the sides of gaming that makes me feel a little bit embaressed to be a part of(not taking part just the online - gaming discussion scene in general).

    edit: Btw @Greybeard for once I agree with him if you take a look at this thread, the only people making a big deal of the differences are who? Its not the 360 fans, I see this time and time again and people like you act like its everyone elses fault... its not! I mean it's not as good as the 360 version but its not unplayable, it doesnt look terrible... if the choice is between that and getting a 360 to play it, I know which most of the whiners here would rather do(they'd rather chew off their own hands than "betray" Sony) and they might aswell rather than this *tantrum throwing* that wont change a thing.
    Edited by 6 at 26/11/09 @ 19:28

  • Calgon #77 2 years ago

    Colossus80 oh thats a well thought out retort isn't it? I didnt see that one coming... may aswell have said "I know what you are but what am I?" Grow up!

  • stepneg #78 2 years ago

    @EuroStalker
    "Xbox owners may have time to play this game given there hasn't been any thing fresh and decent for a while but where are these PS3 owners getting the time to play Killzone 2, Uncharted 2 and my personal favorite A Crack In Time. I haven't even touched FIFA 2010 since getting Uncharted."

    Yeah all PS3 owners are playing through Killzone 2 for the tenth time because it's so fresh and decent.
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 19:11

  • berelain #79 2 years ago

    "oh shut the fuck up... the most immature, bitter and blinkered gamers are PS3 fanboys."

    swearing and insulting other users doesn't do much for their perception of your own maturity, either. In my experience, Xbox 360 fanboys, PS3 fanboys, and PC fanboys are all as bad as each other, and as bad as the other self-righteous narrow-minded fools that seem to permeate our society these days.

  • lavalant #80 2 years ago

    ^^Lets be honest, PC fanboys are the worst. joypad? joyyyyyypad?

    Anyway, I look forward 'Tit'uesday.

  • sfp_noodle #81 2 years ago

    u know, criterion said not so long ago tht if developers think theyve maxed out certain consoles then theyre just not talented enough...or something along the lines of tht. i think platinum games and valve especially shud think about tht long and hard. some ppl have the choice of what platform they want a game on, but alot of others cnt afford to and are left with a broken port because of a developer's ignorance or sheer incompetence.

    PG are good enough to spend a little time on another console to work to its strengths. in the same way vavle make enough money off their games to hire staff with ps3 coding experience.

    if a truely terrible licensed movie game can work better on 2 consoles than a very good multiplat game then something really is wrong with the games industry. its like they just cant be bothered.



    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 19:21

  • GamesConnoisseur #82 2 years ago

    Pity for PS3 owners to get an inferior port this time when they nowdays get pretty more acceptable ones. STILL doesn't change that the game are still fun and 2 ps3 reviewers gave it 10/10 and other 2 9/10 for 38/40.

    I don't get the boycott ps3 version wails and promises of never touching x360?!
    Doesn't it works both way.... X360 owners splashing out on PS3 is welcomed but PS3 owners who secretly got X360 is a traitor?

    Both consoles have lots of pluses and yes Multi Plat edges ahead on x360 so what? Enjoy the game man!!

  • Calgon #83 2 years ago

    GamesConnoisseur nice to see someone who actually *gets it* in the comments for a change, yet you ask them and its the 360 fans who are being unreasonable.

  • Calgon #84 2 years ago

    berelain swearing is neither mature or immature actually... depends on how you perceive it, in that instance it was acceptable as he was being both offensive and hypocritical.("Get over yourself";) My first post was justified after the treatment ciancristopher got from the butthurt SDF crowd(lets face it they are feeling sorry for themselves and taking it out on someone there)... they singled one poster out as a threat to Sony as they sometimes do(too often), I just dont see why we should ignore it so much because its not really acceptable.
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 19:34

  • laudy #85 2 years ago

    how is anyone on here a threat to sony, microsoft, or anyone else?
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 19:54

  • Calgon #86 2 years ago

    Laudy exactly no-one is they get wrapped up in the "system war" mindset... it really is war to them, bless them.

    Its not that I dont notice that alot of PS3 fans/owners are normal and not totally bitter and hatefull towards anyone who doesnt like what they like.

    For example:

    "I played the demo on PS3 and it was decent on performance.

    If the PAL release gets some improvement, I'd recommend it anyway. The game's great.    "

    Notice the lack of rage froth around the corners of his mouth? No tanturms, no random attacks on the 360, it's fans or MS for no reason, performance was decent enough and they are happy enough with that. If the majority of the PS3 fans on EG(actually online in general) I've come across were like that I might have a totally different perspective.

  • midnight_walker #87 2 years ago

    I played the PS3 demo. It seemed fine to me as far as performance goes, I'm really not sure what all the fuss is about. As for the actual game itself, I'm really not sure what all the fuss is about. It seemed quite good, but seriously? 10/10, 40/40? Not quite.

  • laudy #88 2 years ago

    As time has gone on, DF's comparisons have been getting closer and closer, so this comparison has come as a bit of a surprise in my view.

    The language used at the beginning of this one, in my view, was unnecessary. What was so dramatic about it? As I read through and watched the videos, I was expecting something with wii graphics to represent the ps3. In all honesty, you wouldn't know what you were missing if you didn't own both consoles.

    And incidentally, I can't slow my games down to 30% speed so why should I watch videos that have been slowed down? Also, there are clear differences, but i wouldn't use words like "shocking".

    A lot of fuss over not much at all.

    Some folk may have got a bit hot under the collar because of the incendiary language used at the beginning of the article, but hey, no need to get in a flap about it is there? They want page hits, they get them. Simple as.

    I don't buy into this "system/console war" shit. You pays your money, you take your choice.
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 20:18

  • Scribble #89 2 years ago

    I got this for the PS3 as it's region free. I might get the 360 version when it's out in the UK. Or is the Japanese 360 copy region free too?

  • Calgon #90 2 years ago

    They should do a Dragon Age comparison, it would be funny just to see how these same people react if the PS3 wins one... I'm not sure Dragon Age is worthy of its own comparison though , thats why I think we havent seen it yet, it might be in the next monthly one though. I dread to think what the reaction will be if the PS3 doesnt win that one after it gets analysed fully. :D
    Edited by 2 at 26/11/09 @ 20:25

  • laudy #91 2 years ago

    I don't think it's about "winning" per se...if anything, these comparisons show the level of effort developers put into porting a game from one console to another...

    although i can appreciate that for some, it's about bragging rights.

  • McLovin85 #92 2 years ago

    Fuck 'em. If i can play great gameplay and good looking titles like Uncharted 2, MW2, Batman, Killzone etc then i just don't have time for lazy developers who simply can't be assed to even remotely make an effort in making sure both versions of the game run similarly. they're definitely not getting my 'children's inheritance' :p

  • laudy #93 2 years ago

    @McLovin85

    that's precisely what i was getting at. +1

  • Zaiz #94 2 years ago

    @Laudy

    I don't own a console(I put the extra 300 dollars into my PCs/laptops) but I can tell you, the PS3 version's textures do not look nearly as good, and the FPS is harmful. FPS usually doesn't matter too much to me, I only optimize settings for high FPS if I plan on playing them online. I would, however, care quite a bit if I was getting a kinda maybe sorta 30 FPS experience when the other console was rocking 60 FPS.

    Oh, and on the subject of Sony sillyness, what is driving them to use that ridiculous new system for the new PSP? It's just going to make developing for it stupidly hard, and I really don't care about graphics on my DS, as it's on a tiny screen already! I do want that new Golden Sun lots, though. ^__^. It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

  • Calgon #95 2 years ago

    laudy I dont like that though, at the core of it they know damn well the effort was there regardless of the results, so they have a tantrum and lambast the devs because they didnt meet their expectations. Some decisions are out of the devs hands, it might well have been easier for them to get parity with a complete re-write or maybe the PS3 simply does take longer and they didnt have the time to reach parity but they dont get to decide that and some of the dev comments are confusing and suggests that the PS3 version did get the right treatment.

    I must confess Im suprised that this game has garnered so much attention as I'd never heard of it until a few months back.
    Edited by 2 at 26/11/09 @ 21:56

  • IronGiant #96 2 years ago

    Yawn. Lazy coding.

  • davisorle #97 2 years ago

    @DaftVice
    If you have 2 360s why are you dissapointed by this? Cant you just buy Bayonetta for the 360? I really dont get what you mean or you just lost something there.

    @Dizzy
    Interesting way to put I guess..

    @JohnnyWashnGo
    We need to sto pusing the word "boycott" so much. Not everything is boycotting. In this case you arent buying it cause its just not that good due to porting "issues". Its not that you dont buy it for any other reason. :p

    @Gaol
    Would cost time and money. And dueto the fact that time is money so thats x2 money. Once in each case ;). Temco did it cause now that the PS3 is also gaining some ground and selling big in the East it was the best move they could do. Its like a release of a whole new game if you think about it with Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2. This was expected since in the first place NG 2 was a 360 exclusive. Its not like they had it planned. No, not at all actually. In Bayonetta's case Sega would have to focus on doing the same game twice, waste way more time, way more resources and working hands when the sales difference wouldnt be worth it. You have to see it from their perspective to understand some times whats up with it. And I bet you that now if they wanted to make a Bayonetta 2 they would waste minimal time emproving the excisting 360 coding and would have pleenty of time to recode it well enough for a next PS3 release for the next of the series ( ibet there will be or based on the same engine etc.. ) Feel free to dissagree.

  • Arwin #98 2 years ago

    "On PS3, it looks like an Xbox 360 exclusive that has been dragged unwilling, kicking and screaming across the divide."

    As expected, because that's exactly what it is. The developers designed this on and for the 360, and the PS3 version was purely a commercial consideration by SEGA. And right they were, incidentally, because the game sold 6x as much on PS3 as it did on the 360 in Japan in the first week (120.000 vs 20.000 if I remember correctly)

    The developers were very good at using the EDRAM in the PS2 by the way, and as the 360 also uses EDRAM they probably felt right at home. ;)
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 21:02

  • Gay-Lord-Perry #99 2 years ago

    wow, 360 version shits all over the ps3 version

  • espibara #100 2 years ago

    Yet would uncharted 2 be possible on a 360 without the same sort of sacrifices?

    Not starting a fan war I own both consoles and handled correctly they can both awe insipre.

  • TRUTH #101 2 years ago

    Lord_Gremlin

    That's why it's been scoring very highly by highly regarded games magazines inc Edge, Famutsi (Japan), GamesRadar, etc. If this was a PS3 exclusive you would be saying it's way beyond anything the 360 can do, also it's the best game ever (PS3 fans always over exaggerate over PS3 only games!).

    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 22:12

  • Gaol #102 2 years ago

    @davisorle

    I agree that it would cost Sega a lot more money, but the final product delivered to PS3 owners would be much better. In effect the job they've done is a bit of a cash in. This type of game sells big on PS3 in Japan, and a slash-em-up of this nature really demands a fluid frame rate.

    What I'm saying really, is I'd prefer them to have prioritized the quality of the product, over the lure of immediate cash sales. Long term, it buys them goodwill if they intend to turn this into a franchise; and often they sell the rerelease to existing owners again if it has enough extras.

    On another point, I'd have liked the article to have more info on just how playable the PS3 version is in it's own right. It spent a lot of time on the differences between the formats, which was a bit of a known quantity to anyone that's played the demo or reads forums. I hope EG to a seperate review of the PS3 release.

  • AOFanboi #103 2 years ago

    I don't get why a developer/publisher wants to ruin their reputation by producing a sub-par port on the PS3 - it is not like it reflects badly on the PS3, only on their lacking skills. The Uncharted games and others have shown you can create great software for the SP3 if you put the effort in.

  • TRUTH #104 2 years ago

    AC II is probably the best cross conversion - probably the best looking game (and open world with a lot more going on it then UC 2), with it's openess and variety and how populated it is - though the 360 was that bit better; it shows that PS3 can still follow without having to suffer to much as in Bayonetta.

  • Trejser #105 2 years ago

    Game fully utilize all adventages off Xbox hardware and look worse than many multiplatform titles, LOL.

  • Dizzy #106 2 years ago

    "They should do a Dragon Age comparison, it would be funny just to see how these same people react if the PS3 wins one"

    I am sure they will do a DA one... not sure about PS3 winning that one TBH. I prefer my games above 15 FPS.

  • T3TSUO #107 2 years ago

    Getting really sick of these one sided articles. Not only are they designed to show the PS3 in a bad light but more often than not deliberately so as seen with the CoD MW2 review. Not only did Eurogamer try to show the PS3 fairs worse framerate wise even though you can clearly see in both videos more action taking place, hence more stress on the PS3 hardware and I don't know what they've been doing with the shots but the majority of other website comparison sites show the PS3 looking better.
    [link url=http://www.gam eswire.net/comparisons/modern-warfare-2-playstation-3-vs-xbo x-360-comparison_42.html
    ]http://ww w.gameswire.net/comparisons/mod...[/link]

    [link url=http://www.videogameszone.de/aid,699011/Call- of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-Grafik-Vergleich-zwischen-PS3-vs-Xb ox-360-Update/Special/
    ]http://ww w.videogameszone.de/aid,699011/...[/link]

    This isn't the only instance either.
    But what really gets me is the selective games Eurogamer chooses. Why haven't they "faced Off" Dragonage in which the PS3 has a very clear graphical advantage over the xbox.

    http://uk .gamespot.com/features/6239466/...
    Edited by 1 at 26/11/09 @ 23:28

  • Loghorn #108 2 years ago

    Yet another reason why my PS3 only gets used for Blu-Ray & Exclusives. This isn't surprising.

    @ espibara: I definitely agree with you there. I believe if given the chance with the same development time & money, that the graphics in UC2 can also be achieved on the 360.

  • DUFFKING #109 2 years ago

    @T3TSUO

    Because you and everyone else who implies bias is retarded, that's why.

  • Kryon #110 2 years ago

    This is definitely the year of the PS3...




    ...lol

  • Trejser #111 2 years ago

    Loghorn: Microsoft Game Studios have time (2 years) and money, so where are games looking like Uncharted? Remedy have lot of time, maybe Alan will look like Uncharted? No. Screen tearing, texture pop-in (http://ww w.gametrailers.com/video/exclus... floor, 1:50 - 2:11) and low res shadows (http://ww w.gametrailers.com/video/exclus... 3:13).

  • Badassbab #112 2 years ago

    Oooo bad port, should've been a six month to a year wait for a proper conversion (NGS2) or not released at all. Hopefully the Euro release will be superior.

  • T3TSUO #113 2 years ago

    @DUFFKING
    Most mature reasoning there but if these face off's are just to show who wins in the graphical prowess stakes then let's start comparing exclusives. There would be a clear winner then. XBOX and it's samey Unreal powered engine games wouldn't look so hot then.
    People need to get a grip. It isn't the hardware that's to blame, it's the developers. Gone are the glory days when Dev's wanted to show off their programming talents. Now it's fast easy money and poor ports because Dev's don't have the required talent to a system justice.
    And let's be clear here. Bayonetta may push the 360 to it's limits but at the end of the day it's still an average looking game FX wise and what's more an immature awful looking beat em up that's only really suited to the Japanese market. This one will only be a minor hit amongst the hardcore crowd.

  • Badassbab #114 2 years ago

    T3TSUO -

    I know you feel jealous about the PS3 losing most multiplat H2H but no need to be all fan boy about it. Eurogamer uses state of the art tech for their face offs, compare that to Gameswire who incorrectly claim the less blocky shadows on the PS3 MW2 is down to AA lol. In fact compare the Gameswire comparison with the Eurogamer version and I think it's clear to any non blinkered person the Eurogamer version is far far more in depth.

    As for Dragon's Age I agree, c'mon Eurogamer where's the face off? So far I've heard the PS3 version looks better but 360 runs better.

  • Badassbab #115 2 years ago

    Semitope-

    Of course it's fanboy. He's looking at the H2H with PS3 specs on. He's moaned about MW2 H2H on Eurogamer while providing laughable 'evidence' to the contrary. Have you visited those links? I suggest you do so. There's simply no comparison in which H2H is the more thorough he's just shot himself in the foot . In fact Gameswire were just comparing pictures and nothing else. The other one was in German so I couldn't read it.
    Edited by 1 at 27/11/09 @ 01:07

  • T3TSUO #116 2 years ago

    They only lose these Face Off's because Eurogamer chooses to. Love the Resident Evil 5 one. All year EG have bemoaned the screen tear amongst PS3 Titles. When we see the tables reverse and it's the 360 that has poor screen tear compared to the PS3's rock solid v-sync locked image, it's the 360 that wins as "it helps with the aiming"
    Or take Tekken 6. PS3 clear winner. "Not so as it's a poor game on either system"
    Or how about Il2 review. Both have poor screen tear yet PS3 see's framerates in the high 50's compared to 360's 30. According to this Bayonetta review that should see the PS3 win this one. Not so it's a tie....
    I'm not being fanboyish I just want equality. I've seen some pretty terrific 360 games over the PS3. All these Face Off's are designed to do is to provoke a reaction and get web traffic. If EG insists it's to show what system has the best version of said game it needs to include other formats such as Wii and PC AT THE SAME TIME.

  • Badassbab #117 2 years ago

    T3TSUO - Well I could argue against all the points you made but let's just agree to disagree. I'm not sure which games you mean that can compare to RE5 from H2H point of view. I hope you're not comparing the screen tear on Il-2 Sturmovik H2H with RE5 H2H.... And that quote on Tekken 6? Is that your's or Eurogamers? I thought T6 having been ported from a PS3 based arcade machine would've wiped the floor but the 360 version manages to offer higher res. Only the CG were markedly superior.

    Semitope - Tell you what. You can make yourself feel better reading vastly inferior H2H from competitor websites, I'll stick to the one which uses industry leading state of the art technology to capture frame rates, hi def screen shots, screen tear etc and commentry from technophiles who actually use the correct terminology.

  • womble #118 2 years ago

    semitope, give it a rest. Your incessant fanboyism is boring and obvious.

    I don't see you whining when a great game like Uncharted 2 is designed specifically for the PS3's strengths and limitations, yet you whine when a game is designed for the 360's particular strengths.

    Take the good with the bad, chum.
    Edited by 1 at 27/11/09 @ 02:53

  • Zander #119 2 years ago

    If we are so scared about "lazy developers" then just imagine if one of the console makers "won" (so stupid having some sort of allegiance to a bit of plastic and metal!). These "lazy developers" wouldn't even have to try at all. Yeah so no porting needed (btw those bitching - i'd like to see you try porting highly optimised code from one platform to another in the timescales these devlopers have to work in - its not the devs that set deadlines!!) but also no need to make their games as good in the first place if you can only buy a game on one console. Choice is good!

    In fact i'd say the problem with the xbox/ps3 situation is that their is not enough diversity between the two, although with Playstations additional heritage i think they have a little advantage here (I said a little!!). Although MS is trying with its own games studio and trying to tie down exclusives like Mass effect. Neither have enough exclusives yet though.

    I like the idea of these articles, from a technical stand point, but its funny when people take them and go off on one, picking up selected comments and applying them to their already biased logic. Not to mention the fact that those that are so angry with EG they MUST put down their thoughts down here are just giving EG an excuse to write simliar articles (they feed off your hate!) . Just chill.

  • TAPNGO #120 2 years ago

    i think the xbox360 suffers from being too easy to program for, i also think results like this makes developers think twice about making 360 games too good if its multi platform, because its going to take at least a year to make the ps3 version at least somewhat equal to the 360, can you imagine what a triple a developer could do on the 360 with 3 years too work with, all the development time goes to propping up the ps3, just saying.

  • pomegran #121 2 years ago

    "i think the xbox360 suffers from being too easy to program for" - Ummm, yeah. It does suffer doesn't it.

  • LHH #122 2 years ago

    haha love these comments threads.

    mark me down boys!

  • Azazel #123 2 years ago

    What's Quistis doing on the front page?

  • Quixz #124 2 years ago

    First party 360 devs just don't seem to be pushing the machine hard enough IMO, but hey who knows.

  • M_of_the_sys #125 2 years ago

    The transparency effects in this shot are full resolution on 360, but significantly lower on PS3. However, the effect to the human eye is barely apparent.

    Now quit crying out EG bias. There's a slight (barely apparent to the human eye) difference but apparently it's still a good game. If the face offs bother you that much then perhaps you should buy a 360 as that usually has the better build according to the face offs.
    Someone made the point that these articles aren't about winning, which I agree with, although if that is the case they probably shouldn't call it a face off. The articles provide the information for people interested in this kind of stuff or people with both platforms.
    Personally, I wouldn't notice the difference. Won't be getting this game unless I really like the demo though.

    Edit: @hammerhead

    It is a very good choice actually. 360 is a better choice as most multiplat games are slightly better.
    Edited by 1 at 27/11/09 @ 09:31

  • laudy #126 2 years ago

    @M_of_the_sys

    Indeed, I tend to think the same thing...the phrase "face-off" implies competition though, and some latch on to that. Comparison: Bayonetta, does really have the same ring to it does it? :0)

    I haven't actually read a review for this game, these articles can be a review in themselves, but from what I gather, both versions scored highly? (someone help me out with that!). I wouldn't notice the difference either to be honest so that's why it's up to folk like digital foundry to point it out. These comparisons don't actually influence my choice when making purchases, the demos do. Having said that, they do make interesting reading.

    It just amazes me that some on here resort to insulting each other over software.

  • DiamondIce #127 2 years ago

    Unless the 360 version was so bad a conversion that it was unplayable, I will always choose multi-platform games on the 360 because I prefer the controller.

    I will be downloading both demos next week out of interest, though.

    Another game that is interesting me in terms of cross-platform quality is Dante's Inferno. All the videos I have seen are playing from the PS3.
    Edited by 2 at 27/11/09 @ 10:32

  • mr_boogedy #128 2 years ago

    All this bullshit fanboyism needs to be put to bed. I'm glad these articles exist: they're an interesting read.
    However, all I want to know -and preferably prior to the retail release- is whether one version is significantly worse than the other, and whether the differences are game-breaking (in comparison).

  • BillyBrush #129 2 years ago

    the sheer amount of effects on-screen at any given point is never going to favour the RSX.


    Surely this is not a good reason to change the way the game is developed - effects on screen, are something most gamers...want..

  • Lawrens #130 2 years ago

    I have the imported version of the game on ps3, I have no intention of buying it on the 360, I haven't even played the 360 demo to compare to. However the framerate is terrible, not just the clock tower, I really can't believe people have eyes that bad, and defending how bad of a port this is, Mass effect had bad framerate and people bashes it, now that simply because the game is on both systems with controversies people started defending and lower their standard saying "it's not big of a deal". The game is playable, so was mass effect, doesn't mean the framerate don't bother me.

    There should also be framerate/graphics analysis at other points of the game, because it's just NOT only the clock tower with crappy framerate, however I understand there would be spoilers. During chapter 2, not only the framerate was a mess, the resolution look upscaled as well (or it could just be just a strange blur filter). In the plaza against 1 miniboss and a bunch of other angels, especially if you take out witch time (equip bracelet of time), and put them all on berserk with the other accessory, with a lot of effects while angels are berserking and being killed left and right, the better you play and faster you are, the more noticeable the framerate is, it was still playable, but the framerate drop is apparent as well, of course I was just messing around in that chapter for halos after beating the game 3 times and it doesn't affect me in any ways.

    I find it funny people keep defending over this game saying it's not a big deal, it's playable, sure, keep defending it and keep having a low standard. I bought the game for 70 bucks so I can say how bitter I am, but I bought it because I support platinumgames and how good the game is, I'm not even blaming anyone but it's stupid to hide the fact this game is a piece of crap port. I especially like when people pointing out the framerate for the analysis as they scream "the gameplay is usually 30-45fps! It's only the cutscenes that's 24fps!!!111" as if EVERY gameplay moment of the game consistently are being locked at 30fps like uncharted freaking 2. Oh yes this port is just as good as Uncharted 2 now, because it is certainly only cutscenes that are in 20fps, naughtydog should learn from them.
    Edited by 1 at 27/11/09 @ 12:46

  • patchbox360 #131 2 years ago

    come on God of War 3 - lets do this

  • neems #132 2 years ago

    It's not the visual differences that matter, they probably are very slight to the vast majority of users, especially when you're in the thick of the action. It's the feel of the game that is significant. A low, erratic frame rate is a huge flaw in a fast paced action game, as it will affect playability.

    They should have massively pared back the visuals, lowered resolution, left out post processing, anything it took to get the frame rate at least constant (and preferably up towards the 60 mark). Perhaps the way forward will be to have actual graphics options in console games. You only need 2 options - performance, or, er, the other thing. Not performance. Bling?

  • M_of_the_sys #133 2 years ago

    What I played of GOW III at the Eurogamer Expo looked very nicely polished though I think I heard it was still an early build. The only animation bit that I didn't really like was the part where you take Helios' head off. Looked a bit too cartoony. Dante's Inferno was great fun although the graphics weren't, in my opinion, as good as GOW III.

    @laudy

    Bayonetta scored 9/10 on EG for a Japanese import copy. There's no Metacritic score yet though.
    When I look at the comparisons, in some shots one looks better and in some the other looks better. Sometimes I don't notice a difference until the article tells me that their special tools picked this or that out. However, I don't have these tools in my eyes so it doesn't make much difference to me.
    At one point I had three mates looking at the Assassin's Creed 2 comparisons and we all had different opinions. Guess it's down to the individual really.

  • metalmike25 #134 2 years ago

    I think most people with eyes can agree that Uncharted 2 is the best looking console game released. Claiming that because it's linear it can't be best looking is a ridiculous thing to say. So what if it doesn't have a massive open world. It's like looking at a beautiful woman and saying she would be prettier if she had a huge face with plainer features. But if that's your thing then good luck to you

  • metalmike25 #135 2 years ago

    Yeah, that's ok, i just said most people. I don't scrutinize textures and all the other technical stuff. When it all comes together to me it's graphically the best game i've played

  • Badassbab #136 2 years ago

    I hate it when other games are brought into the equation when the face to face is clearly about only one game. Uncharted 2 is an amazing looking game and really does show what the PS3 is capable of but I don't think any other developer apart from Naughty Dog could've pulled that off. They are a really talented bunch. But is Uncharted 2 that much better looking than RE5 or Gears2 which are on a middleware engine? From what I saw at Eurogamer Expo I don't think it's a lot better. Anyway, next month I'll have my very own PS3, can't wait to play the exclusives UC1&2/HR/MAG/KZ2/R&C/MGS4/LBP/GOW3.

  • CHAZBIGPOTATO #137 2 years ago

    Thats one grade A piece of Ass, screw the comparisons!

  • TRUTH #138 2 years ago

    Dragon Origin on PS3 has slightly sharper graphics - but lonnnnnnnnnger loading times (we're talking a fair bit here!) and frame hits are quite bad compared to 360 version. Some lighting effects are also missing too!

    Looks sharper but at a cost. PC version is the best.

  • TRUTH #139 2 years ago

    Yes but GOW used middleware, also the characters and chaos is much larger then any thing in UC 2...It's a middleware software that had been tweaked from GOW 1 - not re-written from scratch. This game is also fairly old now (almost 2yrs).

    UC 2 is great looking game - but is really ahead RE 5 (360 version), Dead Space (360), GoW, Assassin Creed II (there's so much more in this world and the game going on then UC 2 - and more openness), Fight Night 4...No!

    The PS3 has had almost 5 years of Sony funding and development especially for PS3 exclusives, where 360 does use middleware (Saves MS money and time!) and actually buys exclusives and is encouraged to do so (Splinter Cell, GoW, Mass Effect) all using middleware - mainly Unreal engine. Yet theres no sign of it that PS3 exclusives can't be done on a 360 - if it can run GTA (TBOGT looks the best of GTA series), AC II. Take example AC II (360) and show to most people and they will marvel at it - then show UC 2; they will marvel at it...ask them whick looks better: you will get a fairly mixed response. Though AC II is actually doing a lot more then UC 2 in it's environments and open world (not obvious if you don't observe - like GTA IV)
    Edited by 3 at 27/11/09 @ 23:47

  • TAPNGO #140 2 years ago

    im waiting to buy a ps3 until it does what it did in all those videos before it launched, remember the 1080p dual screens-the big chunks of mud flying everywhere in motorstorm-every game in 1080p. WTF HAPPENED????????
    SDF(sony defense force) please explain.

    by the way: " HD DOESN'T START TILL WE SAY IT STARTS " ???????
    they act like 360 games look poor.

  • TAPNGO #141 2 years ago

    @semitope im not hung up on the videos, but why would i buy a system for 3 or 4 games if 99.9% of multiplat games looks better on the other system. when the ps3 passes the 360 in quality i will replace it. i have a mac, im not a microsoft fan but whats the choice, they made a great "game" system not a freakn' swiss army knife.

  • des #142 2 years ago

    So much damage control here,but nothing matters Bayonetta is pure awesomeness.
    Get the superior version,if you have a choice,if not then you are out of luck...

  • Loghorn #143 2 years ago

    @Truth: I agree with you. IMO, I have to say that both KZ2 & UC2's graphics are so overhyped & overrated. They're nothing more than just in Native 720p with 2xAA or 4xAA like most of the other current 360/PS3 games that are out right now.

    [link url=http ://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241
    ]http://fo rum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php...[/link]

    Just scroll down below. They have it for UC2 at least. People act like they're in Native 1080p or something.

  • TAPNGO #144 2 years ago

    @semitope are you still hung up on rrod, the new 360's have a lower failure rate than ps3 or wii( look it up ).
    im at least going to buy a ps3, sony fanboys are so screwed they dont even think about another system.
    the last few years it was wait till next year , wait till next year now its lazy developers, 360 holding ps3 back, the ps3 is hard to program for, youre still listing games that haven't come out yet, on and on. i don't even like to post messages but all you hear are fanboys like you go on and on about " blue ray and the power of cell ". i bet your ps3 is on an altar sorrounded by 7 virgins, ohh sorry 1 virgin.

    just list every ps3 exlusive good or bad , where's haze , that must have been fun.
    Edited by 2 at 27/11/09 @ 22:12

  • Kaminari #145 2 years ago

    In many ways, I consider Bayonetta as a brilliant XBox exclusive, and I definitely can live without playing it on my PS3.

    In this day of Uncharted 2 and even Assassin's Creed 2 (which, for a cross-platform game, looks superb on the Sony console), it is simply impossible to tolerate such sub-standard conversions like this one. Buying Bayonetta PS3 in its current incarnation will send the wrong signal to Sega, which will say something like: "If crappy ports sell, why bother optimizing them?"
    Edited by 1 at 27/11/09 @ 23:02

  • TAPNGO #146 2 years ago

    @semitope
    However, the Falcon introduction had an adverse immediate effect, with the first two quarters of 2008 seeing first-year 360 failures spike to 10 percent. However, the study points out that a sell-off of older consoles in the fourth quarter of 2007, which then met their maker the following year, could also be a factor.

    Since Q3 2008, first-year 360 failure rates have plummeted.

    Fortunately, SquareTrade found that Xbox 360 quality has improved dramatically since the third quarter of 2008, shortly before the 65nm CPU/GPU "Jasper" model was introduced. Since then, first-year failure rates have plummeted to below the 4 percent the company projected. Looking at 500 units purchased in 2009, SquareTrade found that less than 1 percent had suffered the Red Ring of Death.

    <a href="http://www. gamespot.com/news/6216691.html
    ">http://www. gamespot.com/news/6216691.html
    </a>

    i dont even care about the failure rate as long as mine didn't ,
    get your head out of Kazuo Hirai's backside and see the light fanboy, also
    its 3 or 4 games i like jackass notice i did not say what you should like on the 360 and like a fanboy you
    go rattling on like youre some kind of expert.
    who is really stuck in the past.
    Edited by 2 at 28/11/09 @ 01:39

  • TAPNGO #147 2 years ago

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  • TAPNGO #148 2 years ago

    @semidope
    is your whole life an excuse.

  • man.the.king #149 2 years ago

    @miiiguel

    "I don't know why this shouldn't be a 10 on PS3, what just because on another system it looks and performs a bit better?"

    Actually, didn't Famitsu rate the PS3 version slightly lower?

  • man.the.king #150 2 years ago

    @BuckoA51

    "So PS3 owners have to put up with another poor conversion because of Sony's decision to make the PS3 such an oddball machine. I still want one for Uncharted though"

    In my opinion, oddball architecture doesn't have to do much with this argument. What probably happened is that development planning follows the market, and, currently the 360 has a slightly larger core gamer market, so in multiplat coding, priority is probably usually given to the engine on the console with the higher market share.

    All in all, imo, even if the architectures were reversed and the 360 had Sony's "oddball" architecture, while the PS3 had the 360's more PC-centric architecture, the result may still have been the same as the game developer followed the market rather than actual technology. It's not Sony's fault the 360 got "there" (to market) first.
    Edited by 1 at 29/11/09 @ 09:09

  • WayMucho #151 2 years ago

    These articles are a great way to build up your 'ignore' list (although you miss an awful lot of the discussion)

    I find these articles very interesting and a useful way to decide which platform to buy on, but the 'mine is better than yours comments' are getting soooooo boring now. Both consoles are great in their own right and technically there clearly isn't much between them. I'm really glad PS3 is showing what it can do with U2, etc,

    I remember being an XBox 1 owner always frustrated with crappy late ports of PS2 games (after my PS2 borked). This gen seems much more balanced

  • HokutoNoKen #152 2 years ago

    Framebuffers:

    Bayonetta (360) 0xAA:
    1280x720 * (32/8 + 32/8) = 7 372 800 = 7Mb

    Ninja Gaiden 2 (360) 2xAA:
    1120x585 * 2 * (32/8 + 32/8) = 10 483 200 = 9,9975Mb

    Both games fit the 10Mb EDRAM.
    Edited by 2 at 30/11/09 @ 12:01

  • funkateer #153 2 years ago

    Just downloaded the PS3 demo, and it is every bit as shoddy as the article makes it out to be. And the article is right that it indeed looks much much better on the 360.

    But risking sounding like a broken record, I wish DF would stick to the facts. Nothing in the demo suggests that this game is too much for a PS3 to handle, as DF is guessing. Everything in the PS3 demo just shouts 'unoptimized', 'rushed', 'unpolished' to an almost shocking degree.

    Especially this part is utter bullcrap:
    "Bayonetta wasn't just developed first on Xbox 360, it was clearly designed to exploit the architectural advantages unique to that platform - the things that a PlayStation 3 port can't duplicate without some very significant performance impediments."

    DF is by no means in the position to make such ludicrous statements. They haven't developed the thing, they haven't ported the thing, they just don't know what they're saying. All this is, is yet another typical DF guess. Just stick to screenshots and comparison videos.

  • Badassbab #154 2 years ago

    I've played Bayonetta on PS3 and tbh I think it's ok. I mean put it up against the 360 one and it is much less polished but how many PS3 owners are going to be doing that? It still looks and plays fine but if you are the few out there who have the choice then definately get the 360 one.

  • funkateer #155 2 years ago

    @semitope
    "no they don't have the same decoding power. 360 fails there. "

    Perhaps there is a slight difference in 'decoding power' (what an odd term) in favour of the PS3, but rest assured the 360 still has plenty of it and hardly 'fails' in this area.

  • waggy79 #156 2 years ago

    Enjoyed the demo loads, despite not liking DMC4 or NG2 that much. Earlier DMC's and NG1 I loved but the sequels lost something. This feels fresh and more importantly, fun.

  • BuckEntropy #157 2 years ago

    Only just discovering this site, and been barely reconoitering the fringes of the console wars since the first time I got in the trenches for XBOX 1... and well, the more things change, the more they stay the same I guess.

    I love these face-offs from what I've read so far, and something I'd wish more people could keep in mind is how novel it is to have two consoles that are so close in performance ability, that it's even relevant to nit-pick the details to this degree. That said, the fact DF wont refrain from adding the fuel of qualitative judgments to the mix, only serves to undermine the spirit of objectivity otherwise at the forefront of this endeavor; and feed the fire again.

    In a perfect world I guess every console would get a custom version of each multi-platform game, such as NG Sigma 2. In ancient times (you know, back when how many bits your console/personal computer had seemed to mean something) that was more the rule actually, but it just ain't gonna happen anymore. And while this example may be a shame in some terms, it's also perfectly consistent with Hideki Kamiya's history and apparent mentality about it, since nearly every game he's ever headed up was treated as an exclusive and developed as a custom engine. I don't recall PS2 or Gamecube/Wii owners crying foul about it before? The only thing that makes this any different is Sega's own mentality about it, but to an extent you can't blame them either.

    Personally, although I'm not so vindictive as to be happy seeing PS3 owners this disappointed, it's still nice to finally see some dramatic real world examples of the relative strengths 360 does indeed possess being fully exploited. I'll direct this @funkateer here: no that part of the article you took exception to was not "bullcrap" at all, there are some hard truths about the bandwidth advantage when it comes to the amount of blending going on in this game; even in the most hypothetical terms, there's probably no way PS3 could ever run this game 100% intact, barring some completely esoteric and single purpose rendering technique. Could it have looked and performed a lot better than this version does? Most assuredly, and this sort of fast turnover hand-off porting situation almost always turns out mediocre, that's a given.

    I'm really hyped for Bayonetta after playing the demo, this sort of game is becoming an endangered species. An irony struck me as I've read this coverage and thread, Bayonetta is actually a lot closer to being a next-gen 'PS2 style experience' than anything on PS3 ever likely will. And it was only a handful of years ago that so many people still espoused the intrinsic superiority of that certain Japanese aesthetic, how the fashions do change... I just can't help but wonder how many of them now think a game like this "looks like crap" ;)

  • HokutoNoKen #158 2 years ago

    Bayonetta patch 1.01 has been released for the PS3!

    I am kind of suprised that not more people on the net (Eurogamer, Gametrailers, Beyond3d, NeoGAF, gamefaqs etc) discuss it as it's not only tha load times that seem to have been improved...

    Here are the improvments that I have noticed with the patch:
    Load times has improved allot (of course with the install)
    No more blur on the many of the cut sceens (the ones that still has it probably had it from the beginning even on the 360 version).
    Allot less tearing.
    Frame rate has improved and the game feels allot more responsive too. Do I dare to say that the frame rate is similar to the 360 version now?! With the improved frame rate the games IQ looks more defined.
    Even the textures seem to look better now.

    EG should really do a new analysis for the PS3 version.

    For people that really likes this kind of games there is no excuse any more not to get the PS3 version. Go and get it already!

    / Ken
    Edited by 2 at 02/02/10 @ 07:18