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Banjo demo, Stop 'N' Swop detailed News

Xbox 360 News by Tom Bramwell

19 August, 2008

Rare has confirmed plans to release a Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts demo before the game's release in November, and outlined how the "Stop 'N' Swop" component that links Nuts & Bolts to the Xbox Live Arcade re-release of Banjo-Kazooie will work.

"A Marketplace demo? Yes," lead programmer Salvatore Fileccia told Eurogamer when we popped round last week for our Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts hands-on preview, published today. "We've got various different ideas. I think all the leads on the team all have their own idea what the demo should be, and it obviously makes sense for the demo to happen before the game ships. We all feel that it's essential because the game is so different."

The most likely scenario is a variation on the E3 demo (previewed elsewhere on Eurogamer), apparently. "There were four challenges in the E3 demo in Banjo Land...and that worked well, so the idea would be that and then we'd have some form of the editor in there as well, because that's a whole different part of the game - building things and seeing how they perform, and taking part in challenges."

The team is also "desperate to get Live in there", showcasing some of the multiplayer elements that we played for today's hands-on preview.

While we were up at Twycross, we also inquired after the Stop 'N' Swop functionality that will link the Xbox Live Arcade version of the original Banjo-Kazooie and the new Nuts & Bolts game.

"The way Stop 'N' Swop was meant to work originally was that there's parts in the original Banjo that weren't unlocked until the original Banjo realised you'd been playing the sequel, which we had to change because of the evolution of the hardware of the N64. It would've worked on early N64s but not the later ones," said Fileccia.

"So that's why we never actually released it. It was my job to actually finish it off, so you can't imagine how many fans hate me because of that! So what we're doing now is literally the same thing, so there is unlockables in both games that are accessible once both games realise you've been playing the other one."

So it immediately notices and unlocks, rather than asking you to do stuff in-game? "No, that in turn unlocks bits that you can use and so forth. I think that's about as far as I'm allowed to go!"

Finally, we also asked Rare about plans for downloadable content for Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, which - with its significant online component and the huge promise of the easy-to-grasp vehicle editor - seems ripe for that sort of thing. However, the developers wouldn't be drawn, saying only that "nothing is set in stone", despite internal discussions, and a lot depends on how the game does.

We went out on a limb in today's Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts hands-on preview and said we hope that that's really well - because for all the moaning on forums and comment threads (admittedly away from Eurogamer's excellent examples - you're a classy lady), Nuts & Bolts is a cunning Trojan Horse for an idea Rare came up with years ago, and finally has the tools to realise. We really liked it, so check out the preview to learn why.

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19/08/08 @ 10:10
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Multi-player FTL, unless it's just variations on the single-player mini games like BT. I don't are much for half the content to be playing multiplayer games. Mind you, designing vehicles doesn't appeal much either unless it's to get past a specific environment or something; like say, get a certain wheel to travel across water in it. I'm after a game of exploration and puzzles like the first two, not an open ended createy-thing.

This game will be the deciding factor on whether I decide to plump for an Xbox 360 or not. Braid and the 2 originals coming to XBLA are helping swing the deal. Don't fuck this up with multi-player focus, Rare!
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19/08/08 @ 10:17
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Rare could you please make banjo look more like the old banjo? he looks to aggressive now. the scowl to his face looks wrong.
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19/08/08 @ 10:20
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ffs FFS read the preview before you start scoffing at the multiplayer. This game looks like it's going to be fantastic and has put Rare back at the top of my list. Well, it hopefully will.
LazyDan
19/08/08 @ 10:35
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It still blows my mind that the mystery egg things in the original Banjo on the N64 will finally have purpose on the Xbox 360. It's like it was planned to be like this all along.. WWoooOOoOoOoOo

But eh, I was never a fan of Banjo even on the 64 and this so far looks a bit... Mediocre. 3D platformer by numbers, and Banjo's gone a bit edgy. Nope, not for me - Braid, there you go, that's a fun innovative platformer with gameplay from this generation rather than 2 generations ago.

World 4 is a bitch though.
cerebralbored
19/08/08 @ 10:36
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"The way Stop 'N' Swop was meant to work originally was that there's parts in the original Banjo that weren't unlocked until the original Banjo realised you'd been playing the sequel, which we had to change because of the evolution of the hardware of the N64. It would've worked on early N64s but not the later ones," said Fileccia.

I wonder if Rare ever considered using a password system instead to unlock stuff in the original Banjo game. It worked for The Legend of Zelda Oracle games for the Game Boy Color, although to be fair the Zelda games were released after the first Banjo game. Here's a link to the Wikipedia article as to how the Zelda link-up worked:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_...
Xerx3s
19/08/08 @ 10:39
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List of posters that should read before post:

LazyDan.
LazyDan
19/08/08 @ 10:44
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How so?

The Stop n Swop comment iis fine... It -is- pretty crazy that features in a 10 year old game will finally be unlocked on an entirely different console by an entirely different company 2 generations later.

The game? I'm almost totally convinced that it'll still feel mostly like Mario 64, but 'with better graphics innit' plus the odd gimmick - just like almost every other 3D platformer save for a few notable exceptions, and I'm not alone there.

7/10
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19/08/08 @ 10:59
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Seeing the severe absence of a decent 3D platformer worth playing this gen (R&C is nice, but that's more of a shooter nowadays). I can't wait for this. Nice, colorful and quite innovative. I also loved what these guys did with VP, damn game was so damn cute it should be banned.
MrFlintBlackman
19/08/08 @ 11:29
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A 3D platformer? byRare? in 2008? YES!!!!!!

Banjo-Kazooie you say? in 2008? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drunk you say? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nick_f
19/08/08 @ 14:24
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There was a password system in the original Banjo Kazooie... and in fact you can cheat some of the original Stop 'n Swap functionality into existence on the N64.

More info here:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/file...

Personally, I'll be waiting for the XBLA version. Can't wait to hear the Freezeezy Peak music in 5.1!
cerebralbored
19/08/08 @ 18:02
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Thanks for the link nick_f, I had completely forgotten about the codes that could be entered in the Treasure Trove Cove sandcastle. I did enter those codes into the game many years ago and collected the eggs and ice key as intended.

However, I was still kind of hoping that some of the data from Banjo-Tooie could have been transferred to Banjo-Kazooie in the same way that the Zelda Oracle games did. After reading that faq link, I guess there was only so much Rare could have done at the time.

I have faith that the 360 Banjo game will be great.

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