Valve wants Steamworks in CS: GO XBLA

Would love Xbox Live restriction relaxed.

Valve wants the Xbox Live Arcade version of upcoming shooter Counter-Strike: Global Offensive to feature Steamworks integration.

But it faces a tough job convincing Microsoft to let it do so.

"We certainly can deliver a lot of value to customers to the degree to which we have those capabilities," Valve boss Gabe Newell told Eurogamer.

"The PS3, obviously we made a lot more progress with that. The PS3 customers of Portal 2 are going to start to see the benefits of that with Portal 2 DLC coming out in September. So we'd really like to be able to do that for Xbox customers as well."

The PS3 version of Portal 2 features a number of exclusive features as a result of Steamworks integration, including cross-platform play with the PC version.

There's also cross-platform chat, Steam Achievements (earned in synch with Trophies), player profiles and game invites. You can even play Portal 2 on a PC or Mac - Valve grants a free PC/Mac Steam edition of the game to PS3 gamers.

Xbox Live, however, remains a closed platform, with Microsoft employing strict guidelines on what publishers can and cannot do.

"The main thing is having Microsoft get comfortable with it and let us do it," Newell said of the challenges Valve faces bringing Steamworks to Xbox.

"Right now, there's a huge amount of updates and free content we've been able to deliver to people who have The Orange Box that we haven't been able to deliver to the Xbox because of the restrictions that have been placed on us on Xbox Live.

"We'd love to see those relaxed. Other developers on the PS3 are starting to benefit from Sony's more open approach. Hopefully that will help Microsoft see that's a good strategy for making customers happy, that the barbarians won't tear down the walls of Xbox and turn it into some chaotic wasteland."

One game making use of Sony's more relaxed policy is Dust 514, from Eve Online developer CCP.

"Let's just say that with Sony at least they have policies that allow us to build the game the way we want," CCP CTO Halldor Fannar said during an E3 presentation attended by Eurogamer in June. "That is one of the reasons why we've gone with PSN."

Valve isn't the first MMO developer to find Xbox Live troublesome.

Last year Final Fantasy XIV Online creator and director Hiromichi Tanaka told Eurogamer that a "closed" Xbox Live blocked the game from appearing on Xbox 360.

"The main reason why we couldn't go with Xbox 360 was the Xbox Live system," he explained. "[Live is] different to the normal internet environment, so when we wanted to introduce this game in the same environment as Windows PC it had to be PS3, so that was our choice.

"Microsoft has a different point of view: they want to have a closed environment for Xbox Live. We're still talking to... We couldn't come to an agreement on Xbox Live."

MMO developer Cryptic chucked in the towel on an Xbox 360 version of Champions Online in early 2010. Producer Craig Zinkievich told Eurogamer he was frustrated with the business side of getting an MMO on Xbox Live; the game itself, he said, ran just fine.

Sony, however, seems more open to the idea of allowing MMO developers to play by their own rules on the Network.

"Sony allows us to use our systems," Fannar explained. "Microsoft has Xbox Live. They're very strict on that. There are a lot of issues we run into. It may be a basic thing people don't realise, but with Dust and Eve on Sony's network, we can allow them to chat together. Voice chat, text chat, that's all one world.

"One of the reasons for the partnership with Sony is because they're opening up new ways to do these things. We're going to be managing most of it. We're using PlayStation just for credentials, stuff like that. Then it's all our stuff.

"With our agreement with Sony they seem to be fine with our three month expansion cycle. They've been looking at the MMO space for a while, trying to understand why something like that hasn't still happened on the console. They're coming to terms with it. There are certain things they have to relax just to allow these things to function."

Still, there appears to be hope for Xbox 360 owners - a report in June claimed free-to-play games were coming to the console and that Microsoft was talking with developers to discuss free-to-play game deals.

And last month Hi-Rez Studios boss Todd Harris, who is making Tribes: Ascend, told Eurogamer free-to-play games supported by micro-transactions on Xbox 360 were "inevitable".

Valve is yet to decide how to monetise CS: GO - indeed it may end up free to play, as its other shooter, Team Fortress 2, is.

Comments (17) Latest comment 9 months ago

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  • Xboxfanuk #1 9 months ago

    Why would Microsoft allow a competing eco-system on Xbox Live? If they were going to continue with cross-platform surely it would be through Games for Windows Live which they are going to re-push with Windows 8.

    Valve is clearly putting all their eggs in the more lucritive marketplace of steam and like EA with Origins won't simply be content to support another marketplace like Xbox Live (by publishing more DLC). They want everyone invested in Steam even on other platforms.
  • gjgjg #2 9 months ago

    "But it faces a touch job..."
    Ooh err!

    This will be a bigger and bigger issue for x360 players in future. Ps3 exclusive base is getting better and with steam bonuses like on p2 I find myself spending more time on my ps3...
  • thes #3 9 months ago

    Isn't that the idea with XBL that it is strictly consistent?

    Still - I can't see why companies should be stopped from providing free DLC should they wish to.
  • grayn #4 9 months ago

    "...Games for Windows Live which they are going to re-push with Windows 8."

    Huh. I hope they do a better job than when they re-pushed it with Windows 7, then.
  • frunk #5 9 months ago

    XLB is a business model that worked at the beginning of the cycle when MS were pushing the boundaries of what is possible. But like all technologies they mature and become more open. So I just think that MSs business model is now flawed. They need to change or just get left behind.

    Several policies seem to do nothing these days but BLOCK content appearing on XBox - iPlayer, MMOs, Free-to-Play models - actually ANYTHING that is not just the same as when they started XBL. MS need to move with the times - even if it does involve risk. They can't rely on the XBL cash cow forever - consumers move on.

    They cannot afford to let confidence and protection, turn into arrogance and control. Did not work for the music industry or Libya - won't work here :)
  • ShovelyJoe #6 9 months ago

    First I heard of CS coming to XBL - port to the xbox was an utter abomination. An absolute gaming crime considering how utterly awesome CS was. Excited to see how decent this is - if not pls can Steam sell dust and dust2 to Activision so I can play them on CoD. PLEASE!!!!

    Re the actual article, it seems pretty obvious to me that unless they adapt their business model, their customers will be adapting their consoles to PS3s. Simple really, you cost me access to a plethora of games and content - it costs you my custom. It's all mathematics : )
  • dfua #7 9 months ago

    Valve seem very keen on spreading Steam and creating a rival to the other services. It's understandable Microsoft aren't keen to open the market up for them. Interesting how similar these two statements are:

    Valve says:
    "Right now, there's a huge amount of updates and free content we've been able to deliver to people who have The Orange Box that we haven't been able to deliver to the Xbox because of the restrictions that have been placed on us on Xbox Live."

    EA says:
    "Unfortunately, Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. No other download service has adopted these practices."
  • arcam #8 9 months ago

    While lots of us want MS to become more open and accommodating, there's nothing really to suggest they will be, or to suggest it's a particularly good idea for them as a business. The likes of Apple have shown there's no reason you can't build walls around your product and your customers, and in fact it's a sound business strategy as long as you are not actively pissing off your customers.

    While there has been some grumbling from 360 owners on here, there are no signs of revolt and I see no signs of MS relinquishing their grip on the console market. In other words, Steamworks - ain't gonna happen.
    Edited by arcam at 25/08/11 @ 09:44
  • Xboxfanuk #9 9 months ago

    Valve seem very keen on spreading Steam and creating a rival to the other services. It's understandable Microsoft aren't keen to open the market up for them. Interesting how similar these two statements are:

    Valve says:
    "Right now, there's a huge amount of updates and free content we've been able to deliver to people who have The Orange Box that we haven't been able to deliver to the Xbox because of the restrictions that have been placed on us on Xbox Live."

    EA says:
    "Unfortunately, Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. No other download service has adopted these practices."


    The battle is on for competing services. To be blunt Xbox 360 as a console isn't worth much, but Xbox Live as a service is their golden goose. Valve may seem to be saying, "we love gamers and want to give them patches, etc" but actually they want to build their service on every platform for total dominance. Sony litterally has NO service worth noting and therefore is willing to let Steam come on their platform.

    Ask yourself as a gamer on a console, which means more to you: Xbox Live Achievements, PSN Trophies or Steam Achievements?

    And poor Nintendo...
    Edited by Xboxfanuk at 25/08/11 @ 09:48
  • Snake_2011 #10 9 months ago

    Xboxfanuk with that name pretty obvious how you would speak steam is not doing anything to how PSN works it is ONLY on Valve games.
    Edited by Snake_2011 at 25/08/11 @ 09:54
  • murdoch #11 9 months ago

    I too have been finding myself spending more time on my PS3, this is not just due to better cross over with my PC on games like Portal 2 etc, but also due to the fact PS3 has better 3rd party peripheral support being able to use my g25 wheel and usb headset means I can use both on my PS3 and PC and dont have to spring for extra items I can only use on a specific console which will most likely be out dated in a few years.



  • RevanNL #12 9 months ago

    As good as Steamworks maybe, I don't want another service on top of Xbox Live. I like Steam and all, but I don't really want or need it on the 360
  • Mister-Wario #13 9 months ago

    xboxfanuk: Honestly, the games themselves matter most. Trophies or achievements are icing on the cake.
  • Seoh #14 9 months ago

    I don't think valve are asking microsoft to put the steam store on xbox live, there is no competition here. Valve just wants to be able to update its games with whatever content it wants freely and without having to go through certification. Microsoft seem to think that any addition to a game through download should earn them cash and not be free, frankly its draconian in its approach and directly hurts gamers.
  • Architect_z #15 9 months ago

    Nah, don't bother, they get Left 4 Dead, give CS:GO to the PS3. lol
  • deadstoned #16 9 months ago

    Steamworks is great and works well, GFWL is awful and is the most poorly made software in the industry IMO.
  • obihobson #17 9 months ago

    Apart from the obvious fact that MS want all the money to themselves...
    Maybe sonys more open attitude contributed to everyones credit card details being nicked!
    Saying that though the only time i thought sonys console was out doing the Xbox was on Portal 2!!!, the perfect game for cross platform play!