Kinect bundles outsell Move bundles 5-1

By Fred Dutton Published 10 December, 2010

Plus: GT5, Donkey Kong sales figures.

Xbox 360 Kinect bundles outsold PlayStation 3 Move bundles by a factor of more than five to one in the US last month, according to a retail analyst.

Wedbush Morgan's professional tongue-wagger Michael Pachter let the news slip to GameSpot, adding that a third of all PlayStation 3 sales were Move bundles, versus one half of all Xbox 360 purchases being Kinect pack-ins.

In other NPD-related news, a few more figures have slipped out following the newly data-free monthly US sales report released yesterday.

According to a NeoGAF source, Gran Turismo 5 sold 400,000 copies in its first week, compared to Donkey Kong Country Returns' 430,500.

Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood found its way into the hands of 1.14 million gamers in its first fortnight on shelves, while GamesIndustry.biz reported that EA's multi-platform racer Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit moved 417,000 units in the same period.

Finally, THQ's new uDraw Wii peripheral managed to shift a very respectable 190,000 units in its first two weeks on sale.

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Comments (53) Latest comment 1 year ago

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  • spazmo #1 1 year ago

    Can't you keep Waggle news on Megaton.co.uk?

  • Promey #2 1 year ago

    Good for DKCR, well deserved.

  • dsmx #3 1 year ago

    Not that surprising in the US, there's more xbox 360's there and sony haven't exactly spent a lot of money marketing move.

  • NotSoSlim #4 1 year ago

    More expensive bundle sells less..shock horror

  • Stop-gap #5 1 year ago

    Exclusive GT5 sells 400k in 1 week, Multiplat NFS sells 417k in 2. Things can't be as dire as all the nay-sayers were hoping for then.

  • Bonders99 #6 1 year ago

    Didn't realise Eurogamer had become US Centric over the last few days

  • GamerG #7 1 year ago

    Wow impressive numbers for Kinect, I think it's snowballing as well, anecdotally i'm seeing more "non gamer" chatter about Kinect than even the Wii did when it first come out.

    MS did very well getting it out in time for the holiday party season

  • des #8 1 year ago

    Kinect=system seller

  • bladdard #9 1 year ago

    Wow! Just how many articles do EG need to demonstrate that the Microsoft is pissing all over Sony in the US. I reckon if you really milk this non-news you could still squeeze two more of these turds out.

  • MJHaylett #10 1 year ago

    you spend that amount of money that MS did then you had better hope it outsells Move by 5:1

  • DarkSeptember #11 1 year ago

    I purchased move the day it came out .I like it , still needs more games though .I also came so close to buying Kinect today , I was going to buy the camera plus Dance Central , but then common sense kicked it....It is tempting though !

  • coolbritannia #12 1 year ago

    Hammering Move then? Been saying it for weeks.

  • man.the.king #13 1 year ago

    Good for them. I hope the people buying Kinect enjoy their purchase.

    Myself, I'm much more satisfied with the bunch of games I have on Move and the ones coming out, as they cater more to my traditional tastes, e.g. Heavy Rain, KZ3, SOCOM, MAG, LBP2, PS Move Heroes, Tumble, Echochrome 2, etc
    Edited by man.the.king at 10/12/10 @ 20:24

  • Geordiemp #14 1 year ago

    ^^

    Sales of my little pony hammer move, but nothing to be proud of.

    As a gamer, I doubt I would not exhaust a Kinect game in probably half an hour. They just look too shallow.

    Good for all the fat americans, they can eat Burgers while pretending to do fitness games/

  • Emmit_Assassin #15 1 year ago

    I'm glad Kinect is doing well, means we'll get good games for it soon. I'd like to see Move do well, too. Competition breeds great games. Not bothered what the Wii is doing anymore. Ours hasn't been out of the cupboard since easter. Mind you, we've got the boys Just Dance 2 and Sonic Colours for it for xmas, so I guess it will get at least one days use this year.

  • GamerG #16 1 year ago

    some people are acting like Sony haven't spent any money on advertising, personally i've seen more Sony ads than MS ones including move ads at least twice this eve, the Kinect ones arent even that great imo

  • NotSoSlim #17 1 year ago

    GT5 has a massive core base in Europe and Japan.In US it was never ever going to do Halo numbers, its basically at 3 million worldwide which obviously proves its best days are far from behind it sales wise
    Edited by NotSoSlim at 10/12/10 @ 20:12

  • man.the.king #18 1 year ago

    @GamerG

    "some people are acting like Sony haven't spent any money on advertising, personally i've seen more Sony ads than MS ones including move ads at least twice this eve, the Kinect ones arent even that great imo"

    Read my post here.

    When my physical therapist, a lady around 30, knows of the Wii and "Kinetic" where you can "dance in front of the TV and cool stuff like that" (her words, hence the quotes - and she had NO idea what the Move was), Microsoft are obviously doing advertising better than Sony.

    Compared to a few years ago, Sony has significantly improved in its marketing (the Kevin Butler ads are a stroke of genius imo, but they are too tongue-in-cheek and in-joke-y for the casual non-gamer to absorb), but it has a long way to go before it can approach the efficiency and effectiveness of Microsoft marketing.
    Edited by man.the.king at 10/12/10 @ 20:26

  • toxic_venom #19 1 year ago

    'ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED
    280 LBS TO GO FATTY'
    Edited by toxic_venom at 10/12/10 @ 20:22

  • Machiavellian #20 1 year ago

    you spend that amount of money that MS did then you had better hope it outsells Move by 5:1

    That would be correct if MS blew 500 million Ad budget in one month but that probably would be total stupidy on MS part. I live in the US and you see way more move commercials then Kinect. There isn't any shortage of Move commercials in the states the difference is that MS hit the right media spots to generate interest in non-gamers and word of mouth is driving sales. It's not always how much you spend but how you spend it that works just as well.

  • coolbritannia #21 1 year ago

    Yeah Move is getting more airtime than Kinect, but my gf (casual gaming personified) saw it and said 'just like Wii then?'

    It's not advertising that's spreading Kinect awareness among the casuals, it's word of mouth.

  • GamerG #22 1 year ago

    @man.the.king

    in my humble opinion the reason why kinect is getting the word of mouth it is not to do with adverts but to do with the fact it is a genuinely new technology that fascinates people so the mainstream media cover it, Move didn't get the same buzz because it is simply a refinement on the Wii which everyone has been using for years now.

    For example I listened to a 10 minute segment on it on BBC R5live, and your advertising money cant get you on the BBC

    (BTW I have a similar story, the guy I sit next to at Fratton park who must be 60 odd and had just got back from Florida said when he heard me talking about COD to my mate and said "in America they have a new game system where you dont even have a controller!";)

  • man.the.king #23 1 year ago

    @GamerG

    "in my humble opinion the reason why kinect is getting the word of mouth it is not to do with adverts but to do with the fact it is a genuinely new technology that fascinates people so the mainstream media cover it, Move didn't get the same buzz because it is simply a refinement on the Wii which everyone has been using for years now. "

    That may be true as well - but I think you credit people with being quite tech-savvy.

    When something is as widely advertised as to make it to "normal" TV like Oprah and DeGeneres, don't you think that kind of product has a greater chance of being in the public consciousness?

    And speaking from my own personal experience, I go to any electronics store and I see these huge boards advertising Kinect as some sort of futuristic experience, and I have to go to the specific PS3 section to see anything related to the Move.

    Another example: flyers - for most multi-platform games, I'll see the 360 version being advertised, while for PS3, usually only PS3 exclusives are advertised. Little by little, that kind of thing takes its toll, and I think Sony have been far too relaxed to take the all-too-important aspect of marketing and advertising seriously.

    If anything, I would say it would be the Sony console that has survived so far more on word-of-mouth than anything else, seeing that until one year ago, their advertising was so abysmal.

  • JBlokeUK #24 1 year ago

    No Astro, your actually visiting usgamer.net

    At least you'd think you were going by the latest news articles here lately.

  • chuck_bone #25 1 year ago

    1. Kinect launched in November.
    2. Massive marketing budget.
    3. Oprah giveaway
    4. Jimmy fallon
    5. Coke
    6. Burger king
    7. Nationwide tour of all the malls department stores and expos.
    Tv adverbs are just one aspect of "marketing"' and arguably that was never ms focus with kinect.


  • IronGiant #26 1 year ago

    Amusing that GAME store i went into today had removed the Kinect demo pod and replaced it with a huge Donkey Kong display.. Kong sticks up for real gamers ;)

  • Lord_BeeJee #27 1 year ago

    @GamerG
    I think so too, the challenge for Sony is to differentiate themselves enough from the wii in the eyes of the newcoming gamers/casuals. Right now most of them class them as a wii(basic version)/move(fancy version) control type vs kinect control type(only 1 choice).

  • coolbritannia #28 1 year ago

    Irongiant, you have a short memory, Donkey Konga?

  • smelly #29 1 year ago

    uDraw is selling well, my kid wants it for xmas.

    But yet not a SINGLE games website has review the f-ing thing!

    Why?

  • smelly #30 1 year ago

    @JBlokeUK : Well it makes a change from molyneuxgamer.

  • suhawk75 #31 1 year ago

    I hear that apples also outsold pears in november too but only in the US. Apparently it was much closer in Europe.

  • Sid-Nice #32 1 year ago


    Holy smoke...

    Is this true?

    Is Sony doomed?

    Does this mean that Playstation 3 gamers are more hardcore than their Xbox counterparts?

    Are Microsoft destined to rule the casual market?

    Will Dr Wii defeat the Dynamic Duo?

    Don’t miss next week’s episode of Console Wars ComMotion Censored.

  • Stop-gap #33 1 year ago

    "To be fair some folks here said Gt5 was bigger than Halo Reach or Halo3.. that's not even close."

    Madness. The only time in gaming history when I could imagine a premier racing game outselling a premier FPS was about the mid nineties before FPSs took root. I'm not sure what comparing a racer to another genre was supposed to prove either.

  • gandhimaster #34 1 year ago

    to man.the.king kinect will do better than move purely cos proper gamers will stick with a dualshock (PS3) and casual gamers will buy a wii or kinect. hardcore PS3 gamers will, majority, not want the move. neither will hardcore 360 owners want kinect.

    but casuals will not want move, as kinect is targeted at them much more than move.

    oh, and ps_2010 = in five years GT5 may actually work properly. ;-P

  • aphex187 #35 1 year ago

    Americans would buy a barrel of dog shi* if it had Microsoft's name on the side.

  • Vice.Destroyer #36 1 year ago

    I haven't done the requisite research, Aphex, but I think that you are quite spectacularly wrong. Or have you forgotten the Kin?

  • Phishfood #37 1 year ago

    What are the figures in Japan like?

  • tiny_Eggy #38 1 year ago

    @suhawk75 11/12/10 : pears are much better. Freaking apple fanboys.

  • GreyBeard #39 1 year ago

    It'd be premature to make a call on Kinect's success just yet, although the signs are good right now the real proof will be if its still selling strongly 3 months post-launch.

    Personally, I like Pachter and I think the guy get's a lot of unneccessary stick from the gaming community because, when it all comes down to it, the guy is paid to have his opinions - but not by US.
    Point being, yes he does frequently get it wrong, but noone should realistically expect otherwise - he's not got mystic powers! And if he gets it wrong so often and to the extent that investors following his guidance suffer, I'm sure his employers will do something about it.

    Personally I like the fact that a rich, successful guy like Pachter cares enough about gaming to put himself out there - he definitely makes a good alternative to the usual spotty-geek image presented by the media.

  • Stratix #40 1 year ago

    I wad interested in Kenect, and then they reduced the spec of the camera, and brought out loads of games I am totally uninterested in, so I'll pass. Dance Central looks alright, but it's hardly worth the entrance fee at the moment. Needs some core games please!

  • SalarymanDaishi #41 1 year ago

    All in due time, I suppose. At the moment, £120 for hardware + Kinect Adventures and £80 for hardware + Sports Champions sound just as untempting as hardware + Wii Fit Plus for £70. Yet, I've been suckered into buying a plastic guitar at one point, so it's most likely just a matter of time. For now, though, I'm really surprised with the sales of both Kinect and Move - never realized that after Wii, there still was such a large, untapped market for motion control stuff.

  • General_Zod #42 1 year ago

    I do hope that my faceless multinational company's waggle device outsells its rivals waggle device. Please tell me it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • man.the.king #43 1 year ago

    @trebell

    "They're good but they're aimed more at fans who already own the system and I don't think they do as good job of selling it to new ones. "

    True - that's exactly what I was trying to say when I mentioned the in-joke-y part. They are more of a "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" to people in the know rather than to people who don't have any awareness about gaming. Maybe they were trying to just target gamers?

  • moriss #44 1 year ago

    "No Astro, your actually visiting usgamer.net

    At least you'd think you were going by the latest news articles here lately."

    you fuckin stupid little twat, the reason youre reading stories about US gaming news is that its gaming news. who gives a fuck if the stats in the story relate to the US or to Japan or to the UK? It all contributes to our hobbie.

    WAAH WAAAH I WANT EUROPEAN NEWS ON MY EUROPEAN GAMING WEBSITE WAAAAH

    well why not just fuckin' join the BNP if youre so against the contributions of other countries to your global hobby? do you only play european-developed games?

  • metamorphic #45 1 year ago

    "hobbie"? mm.

  • Collymilad #46 1 year ago

    lol@moriss

    Time of the month?

  • albinas #47 1 year ago

    As of December 6, 2010, GT5 sales exceeded 5.5 million units worldwide

  • Turbotim3 #48 1 year ago

    But then when the people who bought the kinect bundle realize they can't play halo reach (4gb 360 that comes in kinect bundle) they won't be happy.

  • Turbotim3 #49 1 year ago

    jfdsaf89asf should be shot on site. I can promise you no one will click on your link you piece of crap

  • Turbotim3 #50 1 year ago

    I just finished playing Kung Fu live on the PSN that uses the PS EYE the same way as the KINECT and it works surprisingly well. I just think it's funny how the PS EYE can deliver a similar experience for 29.99

  • electrolite #51 1 year ago

    @moriss

    Beautifully put

  • Dizzy #52 1 year ago

    "But then when the people who bought the kinect bundle realize they can't play halo reach "

    Dude relax... they can play Reach. Just not co-op.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #53 1 year ago

    I really don't mind the US news. Just as I don't mind that most of the "European" news here are actually UK-only news. Quite a lot of ignorant people commenting here as it seems because really, the US news are as relevant and interesting as are the UK news for the rest of europe. It's one big industry and seriously, what's so bad about a news story regarding US Kinect/Move numbers?

    I'm glad to see Donkey Kong selling. Not the easiest time of the year to get a release especially considering GT5 on the PS3 and also Super Mario Allstars on the Wii were also released, both of which are huge releases for their respective systems; Not to mention lots of gamers will have invested more money than usual into Kinect or Move as well.