Schappert would love to see MGS4 on 360

By Robert Purchese Published 16 October, 2008

"We definitely have the power to run it."

Xbox Live boss John Schappert has said he would love to see Metal Gear Solid 4 on 360, and that the console certainly has power enough to handle the beefy game.

"I'm certainly in the fan club that would love to see Kojima-san's masterpiece come our way. It would be wonderful to play Metal Gear Solid on the Xbox. It could become another of the many franchises that started their life on another console that are now coming our way," Schappert told MCV.

"I can't speak on behalf of Konami, but I can shed more light on the fact that we definitely have the power to run MGS4.

"There are a lot of recent examples that are in true high-def on our platform and aren't on PS3. We've got an amazing amount of horsepower and graphics power," he added.

His comments further grind the rumour mill set into action by Japanese Konami PR Yoshitaka Arai, who told a regional publication yesterday that "worldwide demand" for MGS4 on Xbox 360 was "quite high", and something the company was "looking into".

Kojima told us in August he was fed up of people asking for MGS4 on Xbox 360, but then he's trying to move away from the series and leave future instalments to a younger team, anyway.

The Metal Gear Solid creator is expected to unveil a brand new game at the Tokyo Game Show in 2009, too.

What's all the fuss about? Metal Gear Solid 4 only got 8/10. Look at all those worms!

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  • ps3owner #1 3 years ago

    8/10

  • Ninja_Tino #2 3 years ago

    Better than Big Rigs?

  • andywilkie35 #3 3 years ago

    Played it, completed it, loved it, and would buy it again if it came to 360

  • RexRunti #4 3 years ago

    Played it, completed it, enjoyed it, and wouldn't bother buying it again if it came to 360

  • Aloominum_man #5 3 years ago

    @andywilkie35

    Why, if you don't mind me asking? Serious, non-antagonistic question. Multiplayer?

  • patchbox360 #6 3 years ago

    dead space a 7/10, mgs4 an 8/10, sega rally a 9/10

    starting to not trust eurogamer reviews... starting from now

  • DFawkes #7 3 years ago

    Is that a new article that has trolling now? How are we supposed to keep this civil when even news articles are going "look, it got 'only' 8/10!"

    But I digress, I still have no doubt the 360 is technically up to it, and I don't think we were ever in any doubt Microsoft would think this is a good thing. I agree, I think everyone should have the chance to try it out. It's a fantastic game, and since the cutscenes are skippable they're not a problem.

  • Redeye #8 3 years ago

    I'd buy it.

    *expects this thread to become yet another fantard-ridden disaster*

  • ParanoidZombie #9 3 years ago

    Hmm, the fact that a microsoft PR praises the game publicly is a sign that something may be in the works... Or maybe he just wants us to believe that something is in the works. So the inevitable conclusion is: it will or won't happen, but there's no alternative.
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 15:18

  • MasterNameless #10 3 years ago

    Yeah, there is definiately a lot more value in reading the actual review text than just focussing on the score. That way you can gauge which parts of the game rang more true with you, and which bits that would annoy you personally, then score it yourself, more according to your tastes.

    Not sure why I bother though, people will always get hung up on the damn number at the bottom of the page!

  • Aysir #11 3 years ago

    I'm sure Schappert has the technical knowledge to know if MGS would run well if PORTED to the 360. It's not a question of whether it works if it was built from the ground up as a 360 game - but as a port I doubt it would run well at all. Too much of the game would have to be rewritten as it makes a big deal about the fact that the original was on PS1 and the this one is on PS3 - it's a case of why bother? I'm sure MGS5 (whenever that is) may be on 360 but there is no way they'd rework MGS4 for the 360.

  • Demento41 #12 3 years ago

    MGS4 sucks anyway. 360 owners aren't interested in that shite.

  • LHH #13 3 years ago

    I'd buy it again on 360.

  • Kryon #14 3 years ago

    Of course MGS4 will come to the 360, just like every other 'important' third party PS3 exclusive.

  • peterfll #15 3 years ago

    I've yet to see a game that definitively proves it wouldn't be technically viable on the other platform.

    The last I recall EG making that consideration was in their Uncharted review, but after completing it even I wasn't convinced you couldn't have had that game on the 360, as lovely and smashing as it was.

  • Xerx3s #16 3 years ago

    It's oke now peeps! We are allowed to be mildly interested in MGS4 now. The big man says so! ;)

  • miiiguel #17 3 years ago

    The train's rolling, no turning back now. MGS4 will be on 360, otherwise this dude wouldn't mention it, imho.

  • FenderMaster #18 3 years ago

    man... that would be so unfare, 360 owners get FFXIII, Tekken 6, and possibly MGS4

    PS3 owners dont get GoW, Halo and Mass Effect

    if it was a 2 way swap it'd be cool, but its not, the PS3 is losing all exclusives all over the place

    If MGS 4 is one of them I'll be very pissed off...

  • Redeye #19 3 years ago

    Aysir: A case of why bother? Step forward, Mr. Greenback, and your millions of associates.

    Demento: Thanks for proving my previous point.

  • miiiguel #20 3 years ago

    "PS3 is losing all exclusives"
    PS3 aint losing exclusives, you get the games anyway. You shouldn't have a problem for others having those, as long as you can play them too.

  • Widge #21 3 years ago

    "GoW, Halo and Mass Effect"

    Aren't these first party titles?

  • Kiigan #22 3 years ago

    I would buy it again, if it was a decent port (ie. not like the Xbox port of MGS2)

  • Redeye #23 3 years ago

    FenderMaster: GOW, Halo and Mass Effect are all first-party titles, and properties owned my MS. MGS4 and Tekken 6 are third-party titles, not owned by Sony. And third-party publishers are seeing the financial wisdom in developing for both platforms, to recoup the massive outlays made in making the things in the first place.

  • miiiguel #24 3 years ago

    "GoW, Halo and Mass Effect
    Aren't these first party titles? "

    Not Mass Effect, I think.

  • ParanoidZombie #25 3 years ago

    @miiiguel: published by microsoft, and MGS worked on it, so yes ME is first party, I guess.

  • Redeye #26 3 years ago

    miiiguel: You're absolutely right, Bioware owns the IP, not MS. So there you go, Fender, chances are EA might get round to commissioning a PS3 version if someone points out how many $$$ they might make from it.

  • turnget2005 #27 3 years ago

    @patchbox360

    agreed! after recent reviews im starting to think that EG are slipping.
    bioshock 10 gta4 10 gta san andreas 9 WTF MGSGOP 8!!!! its funny how most other sites got them the other way round.
    back to gamespot for me then!

  • Widge #28 3 years ago

    What were the PS2's first party titles?

  • Godhather08 #29 3 years ago

    8/10 for MGS is a fucking scandal and a disgrace!
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 15:41

  • ThePissartist #30 3 years ago

    "Played it, completed it, loved it, and would buy it again if it came to 360"

    Eh?

  • wingzerosys #31 3 years ago

    Look if it'll shut the Xbots up, fucking port it, it'll suck though and serve them right.

  • ThePissartist #32 3 years ago

    "I'd buy it again on 360."

    WTF?!

  • aldo_14 #33 3 years ago

    The train's rolling, no turning back now. MGS4 will be on 360, otherwise this dude wouldn't mention it, imho.

    Or, y'know, he (being an MS employee et al) can help negate the value of MGS to Sony as a selling point for their console by implying it'll come to the 360 (regardless of whether or will it not).

    In any case I don't remember any claims from the development team that MGS couldn't be done on the 360, only that the code was tailored (i.e. optimized and that sort o' ting) for the PS3 and would thus presumably be tricky to port over (but not impossible, of course). Konami would probably like to have MGS4 on the 360 methinks - good money - but if it's as much hassle as writing a new game would be.....

  • FenderMaster #34 3 years ago

    At least the next Team Ico will be an exclusive, right? .... right?

    RIGHT?

    M$ hands Sony a wad of cash "give us Ico 2!!"

    Sony: "sure thang boss"

    PS3 owners worldwide: *groan*

    buy some fucking exclusives Sony for the love of God!!

  • wingzerosys #35 3 years ago

    I take back my "Is the PS3 the new Dreamcast thread?" Atleast the DC had exclusives.
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 15:50

  • penhalion #36 3 years ago

    What he should be asking is do his audience have the patience to play it! It's not an experience I'd ever repeat. Especially the rediculous is he dead, isn't he dead ending....then other ending....then nonsense explanation of everything.

  • jack_klugman #37 3 years ago

    MGS4 sucks anyway. 360 owners aren't interested in that shite.

    I am a 360 owner. I am interested in "that shite".

  • bonker #38 3 years ago

    What's with all the CPU/grafx power talk?

    Can't MGS4 just be released as an XviD on a CD?

  • Branoic #39 3 years ago

    personally I think mgs4 was a 10, and I'm not saying that as a ps3 fanboy - I've got both platforms and if anything prefer my 360 a tad, but this article's last line is pure genius.

  • bonker #40 3 years ago

    "I've yet to see a game that definitively proves it wouldn't be technically viable on the other platform."

    Dead Rising?

  • miiiguel #41 3 years ago

    "Cough... Team ICO is first party."
    Everything has a price.

  • wingzerosys #42 3 years ago

    Wouldn't Sony and Apple sue Konami?

    Or would they butcher the game by taking out Apple and Sony products.

    Port it Konami, the 360 version would be a butchered mess, they'd have to remove a certain little minigame and cutscenes.

  • bonker #43 3 years ago

    "man... that would be so unfare, 360 owners get FFXIII, Tekken 6, and possibly MGS4

    PS3 owners dont get GoW, Halo and Mass Effect

    if it was a 2 way swap it'd be cool, but its not, the PS3 is losing all exclusives all over the place "

    AYBABTU!

  • FenderMaster #44 3 years ago

    @ Garo

    I know, given Sony's strange attitude towards losing all exclusives this gen it wouldnt surprise me if Sony sold Ico 2/3 to M$

  • Vertius #45 3 years ago

    You may have the power, Schappert...but you don't have the storage.

  • wingzerosys #46 3 years ago

    Exactly, *predicts PS3's doom next year.*

  • miiiguel #47 3 years ago

    "You may have the power, Schappert...but you don't have the storage. "
    With NXE's HDD instalation feature, that issue is no more a problem.

  • Widge #48 3 years ago

    Apparently if you install a game to play on your console then its a failure.... :(

  • wingzerosys #49 3 years ago

    It doesn't just come down to power or storage, what about Sony's references/products and Apple's products?

    What about the controls? No more jiggling Rose's boobies or shaking the sixaxis.

  • Vertius #50 3 years ago

    "With NXE's HDD instalation feature, that issue is no more a problem."

    Not with all those HDD-less 360s, and you'd be pushing it with the 20GB. Only MMOs are able to require the hard drive, and it'd be a big turn-around to make an exception for MGS4.

  • Feanor #51 3 years ago

    MGS4 has a Metacritic average of 94 and a 92% average on Gamerankings.

    The 8/10's from EG and Edge were by some margin the lowest scores it received globally. Just like Halo (lol)

    I see ten other 8/10's for MGS 4 on gamerankings, so the margin is zero.

    http://ww w.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/9...
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 16:08

  • miiiguel #52 3 years ago

    @ Vertius: http://ww w.eurogamer.net/article.php?art...

  • Darren #53 3 years ago

    Of course the Xbox 360 could run MGS 4, there's nothing on either the PS3 or Xbox 360 IMO that couldn't be done on the other provided the developers have both the time and money to do it. I think that's pretty evident from the exclusive and multiformat games I've played on both systems.

    The PS3 has the advantage of Blu-ray and a standard hard drive but MGS 4 is broken down into five chapters each separated by a 2-3 minute HDD install, perfect for a 5 second disc swap. In my experience, there really isn't that much different between the PS3 and Xbox 360 in terms of performance, the 360 perhaps has the slight edge on the graphics (generally better anti-aliasing) and the PS3 possibly has a better CPU.

    I hope MGS 4 does come to the 360 like BioShock did to the PS3... seems unfair that single console owners should miss out on great games and IMO MGS 4 is a great game, one of this year's best so far for me. :)
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 16:12

  • jack_klugman #54 3 years ago

    No more jiggling Rose's boobies or...

    What, what, what?

  • Triggerhappytel #55 3 years ago

    Oh for fuck's sake, we don't give a shit. Just port it and be done with it, if that's what it will take to shut everyone up.

  • Gazza_UK #56 3 years ago

    Id rather my balls exploded into flames then see MGS4 go to the Xbox.

    IN MYYYYYYY OPINIONNN anyway

  • Darren #57 3 years ago

    @Gazza_UK - I'd be careful what you say if I was you... ;)

    Flame-grilled testicle, anyone? LOL

  • miiiguel #58 3 years ago

    /touches balls dearly, and makes a huge effort to erase that image/

  • wingzerosys #59 3 years ago

    Ffs, it doesn't matter if the 360 can run it or not, the 360 version would be butchered.

    Alot of things would have to be removed or they'd get sued by Sony and Apple.

  • Gazza_UK #60 3 years ago

    ill take one..

  • Vertius #61 3 years ago

    Not everyone will be applying for that, however, and not everyone will part with the expense.

    Besides, the royalties Microsoft charge on multiple DVD games are horrendous, if they're not exclusive games. Unchanged, MGS4 would be on five DVDs at least, and with changes, perhaps down to two or three. They're is still a storage issue, despite how minimalised Microsoft is attempting to make it.

  • wingzerosys #62 3 years ago

    @jack_klugman.

    If you call Rose on the codec, you can jiggle her tits with the Sixaxis, it would have to be removed along with shaking it to change the Octocamo back to its default camo.
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 16:19

  • miiiguel #63 3 years ago

    I don't get that "sued by Sony"; in Open Season (360) game for instance, there's a big screen during credits in the "Thanks to" where it says "We would like to thank Sony Pictures"; than again Vaios say "Sony recomends the use of Windows Vista Premium", I mean, the idea that the companies hate each mustn't be true, imho.
    On the other hand, I don't realy know what your're talking about as I didn't play the game.

  • stevetuck #64 3 years ago

    so by 'worldwide demand' he means 'didnt sell as we hoped'

  • wingzerosys #65 3 years ago

    In-game PSP & PS3 consoles, PS1 references, Apple Ipod/Laptop, they'd all have to be removed along with MGS 1 stuff.
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 16:23

  • aldo_14 #66 3 years ago


    Not with all those HDD-less 360s, and you'd be pushing it with the 20GB. Only MMOs are able to require the hard drive, and it'd be a big turn-around to make an exception for MGS4.

    I'm pretty sure, also, that MS won't allow mandatory installs for anything but the most exceptional (i.e. MMOs) cases, too

  • Vice.Destroyer #67 3 years ago

    @Vertius

    Just for my information, is there a source for the royalties that Microsoft charge for games on multiple discs? It sounds like a totally outrageous thing to charge developers for.

    *Is therefore most probably true*

  • Vertius #68 3 years ago

    "On the other hand, I don't realy know what your're talking about as I didn't play the game."

    Snake uses an iPod, all the computers in the game are Macs or Macbooks, there are some codec conversations involving some "You have to change the disc now... Oh, wait. You don't! We're on a Blu-Ray disc! Dual-layered, too!" moments, a certain familiar foe tried to search for your memory cards, and was disappointed if you used a Sixaxis rather than a DualShock 3, and finally, if I didn't forget anything, Snake controls the Metal Gear Mk. II with a PS3 controller.

    Also, Metal Gear Online uses a very obscure system that doesn't even involve the PSN. They'd have to rebuild it to work on Live.

  • indafunkyhouse #69 3 years ago

    "PSP, PS3, PS1 references, Apple Ipod, Laptop, they'd have to be removed along with MGS 1 stuff. "

    The PSP, PS3 and PS1 references if you mean by way of showing those consoles would, they can simply change the names if they are referred to in the ingame text, they can easily ask to licence an iPod image from Apple if they so wished, or then again just make it look like a generic mp3 type of player, same with the laptop, doesn't need to be branded, and the MGS1 stuff could be left in as thats not owned by sony, but by Konami instead and if they want they could throw that in anygame they wanted. IP rights can easily be avoided :-)

  • Widge #70 3 years ago

    Ha, I forgot it used the PSone emulator to run the MGS1 section.
    Microsoft would blatantly want the Zune in there instead of the iPod.

  • IronGiant #71 3 years ago

    Bizarrely enough Sony don't seem bothered, they're more interested in investing in first party titles. If they keep churning out games like Uncharted, Wipeout, Warhawk, ICO etc, that's fantastic but at the same time they're being very niave if they think third party titles like MGS aren't important when people decide which machine to buy.

  • wingzerosys #72 3 years ago

    Both Sony and Apple compete against Microsoft, their products are advertised in MGS 4.

    Kojima couldn't put MGS:TTS stuff in it due to it being on a Nintendo console.

  • miiiguel #73 3 years ago

    "Also, Metal Gear Online uses a very obscure system that doesn't even involve the PSN. They'd have to rebuild it to work on Live."
    Final Fantasy XI also doesn't use Live.

    Guess they would have to replace some of the jokes, but I see no problem with the iPod and Mac use. We have a Mac with windows at home ;)

    oh, and you should take a look at Major Nelson's site, he is a MS employee and a major iPod fanboy...
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 16:31

  • Garulon #74 3 years ago

    "Just for my information, is there a source for the royalties that Microsoft charge for games on multiple discs? It sounds like a totally outrageous thing to charge developers for."

    They don't, the pressing plant charges you per DVD though so more DVDs=higher per-unit manufacturing cost. Yes it's only 50p or whatever, but for a two million seller that's two million extra pounds you have to budget for.

    That's what Carmak was moaning about basically.

  • wingzerosys #75 3 years ago

    Let them port it, let's see it get slagged off and get poor review scores due to it being butchered.

    It'll suck, just like the xbox version of substance, I'll stick to the superior version thanks.

    Disk swap or Install? Decisions, decisions.
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 16:33

  • Garulon #76 3 years ago

    "It'll suck, just like the xbox version of substance,"

    There was no XBox version of substance, fantard. And MGS IV won't suck any worse on the 360 than it does on the PS3; that is instead of watching an old Snake Pilliskin smoke after an hour or so of incomprehensible cut scenes you get up off your lardy tard arse and swap disks.
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 16:33

  • wingzerosys #77 3 years ago

    "Fantard," lol.

    Yes there is, look up MGS 2 Substance on xbox.

  • Vice.Destroyer #78 3 years ago

    Thanks for that, Garulon. I thought the fella was wrong. That extra 50p will probably translate to an extra fiver on the RRP for the game, if it ever came out. No big deal, either for consumer or the publisher.

  • mikeck #79 3 years ago

    "Is that a new article that has trolling now? How are we supposed to keep this civil when even news articles are going "look, it got 'only' 8/10!""

    Most articles by Rob have unnecessary digs about something - I think he's an angry man trying to stir up the fanboys for kicks :p

  • Xerx3s #80 3 years ago

    "miiiguel: You're absolutely right, Bioware owns the IP, not MS. So there you go, Fender, chances are EA might get round to commissioning a PS3 version if someone points out how many $$$ they might make from it. "

    Bioware more or less stated that they had no interest in brining ME2 and 3 to other platforms than the pc and 360, partly because the sequels build on what you did before it.

    "Alot of things would have to be removed or they'd get sued by Sony and Apple. "

    Ah, you make three odd assumptions. First you assume that Apple or Sony (NOT sony games) has an interest in suing. These products where implemented for the sole reason of advertisement. More copies == more advertisement. Suing also hurts brand names so companies rather settle outside court. A more likely scenario would be that the contracts would be renegotiated. In this fanboyism plays no role, only money talks.
    Second, you assume that the makers of the game are some sort of complete n00bs with formatting contracts. Companies this big have massive legal departments that specialise in creating contracts. A safer assumption would be that they anticipated the remote possibility of this and included it in the contract.
    Third, you assume that they wouldn't easily alter things. The ipod i.e. could just as easily be replaced with a zune i.e. These are not complex programming overhauls that we are talking about.

  • Gazza_UK #81 3 years ago

    @Xerx3s

    thanks alot mate for being realistic THANKS A BUNCH

  • wingzerosys #82 3 years ago

    I've given up caring, this gen is nothing but a joke.

    PS3: Hardly any games/loses just about every game.

    360: Steals games/not happy with the exclusives its got/greedy.

    Wii: A gimmicky kids product/lacking decent games.

    I regrettably own all 3.
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 16:47

  • XdarXideX #83 3 years ago

    Microsoft would never allow any references to Sony in any games on the xbox360 (and vice versa). So yes, they would all have to be removed. It has nothing to do with Sony making a decision whether or not to sue... it's a basic guideline.

  • Widge #84 3 years ago

    I was so hoping for a Valkyria Chronicles review before the end of the week, and I all I get is Schappert flapping away :(
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 16:55

  • muftak #85 3 years ago

    there is alot of sony gear in MGS 4 but what the hell are they going to do with the DVD piss take cut scene take it out or make up new lines?

    something like The cell lolz or blue ray (spellt wrong) is to slow for us.

    anyhows great game right amount of cutscenes and gameplay , still not sure if the 360 could pull this one off in a perfect conversion but hey you never no

  • wingzerosys #86 3 years ago

    Ok lets turn it around, say the 360 had MGS 4 exclusively and it had MS products in it.

    MS would soon sue if it was ported to the PS3.

  • miiiguel #87 3 years ago

    @ wingzerosys: don't take this the wrong way, but you should try playing the games for the sake of it. If you start playing a game and thinking at the same time "damn, those 360 users and their fancy graphix..."; or "FFS I hate that PS3 and its huge amount of data disks...", you will spoil your precious time.

  • Garulon #88 3 years ago

    "MS would soon sue if it was ported to the PS3. "

    Ninja Gaiden Sigma (the XBox Original port that the PS3 could still only barely run) had XBox references in it, didin't it? Microsoft didnt' sue then.

  • Moonprince #89 3 years ago

    "Microsoft would never allow any references to Sony"

    Pro evo 09 has them...

  • wingzerosys #90 3 years ago

    I think they removed that protoype xbox.

    Miiguel you talk shite.

    Snake lives, Meryl gets married, Big Boss dies, Ocelot dies, there was no Liquid, Eva is Snake/Liquids mother, she also dies, Naomi dies, Zero dies, Patriots get erased, Vamp dies, Raiden's got a son (john), everyone else lives.

    There, no need to play it. Lol.


    This should shut them up, there no need for a 360 port, let the PS3 have atleast one decent exclusive.
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 17:11

  • miiiguel #91 3 years ago

    chip on sholder, huh?

  • wingzerosys #92 3 years ago

    Nope, my shoulders are chip free. Lol.

  • miiiguel #93 3 years ago

    You do sound annoyed though...

    /imagine a dude kicking things around and screaming "dam treeeee six teeeeee!"/
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 17:18

  • wingzerosys #94 3 years ago

    Why do I? Is it because the PS3 is failing due to MS? MGS 4 should stay PS3 exclusive, that's all.

  • miiiguel #95 3 years ago

    because you lost your cool there for a moment, that's all.

  • wingzerosys #96 3 years ago

    Lol.

  • FenderMaster #97 3 years ago

    MGS4 is very possible on 360

    a few codec comments?
    snake holding a ps3 controller?
    an i pod (not even an in game model)
    laptop brands

    none of these would be remotely difficult to change

    a 2 DVD wouldnt be a problem

    then youve got the shadow moses flashback, which im pretty sure doesnt use PS1 emulation, since (as far as i know) 40 gig PS3's dont have bc, so shouldnt be an issue


    i still hope it doesnt happen, because it would seriously devalue my decision to go with PS3 for its exclusives rather than 360

    i bought the PS3 for FFXIII, MGS4 & Team Ico's next game

    losing FFXIII was bad.... really bad, but losing our only exclusive epic would really sting...

  • Kryon #98 3 years ago

    What's going on, why aren't the SDF here disputing these obvious lies? I don't get it. Where's hedbog with his inane wittering, where's Aplololol with his cut 'n' paste-o-rama? Has the SDF finally realised they can't win? I almost feel sorry for them now. Chin up guys, you still have Resistance and KLOLzone to look forward to ;P

  • Nithron #99 3 years ago

    I'd rather it came out on PC, personally, like MGS1 and 2 did. If i recall correctly, for added irony, Microsoft Games were the publishers for the PC version of MGS1.

    I can unequivocally say that it most definitely is possible on PC.

  • dudefella #100 3 years ago

    Would probably buy it again for 360 if it was a good port for the cheeve mints. But it'll probably come on 5 discs.

  • Kryon #101 3 years ago

    I hope it does come on five discs. It's quicker to swap a disc than wait five mins to install. It kinda makes it hard to immerse yourself in a game when it has long installs between every section, a quick disc swap would be infinitely better imo.

  • NickJC1 #102 3 years ago

    Kameo 5/10 ,RE4 Wii edition 7/10, Dead Space 7/10, MGS4 8/10,

    Splinter cell Double agent 9/10

    lolz 10/10

    plus giving 10/10 to PS3 bioshock when it's a lazy port?, they don't even have to try anymore, you hand out perfect scores like they grow on trees.

  • Feanor #103 3 years ago

    @ Arbiter: An 8 is not that different from a 9. EG and EDGE being two of a dozen places to give MGS 4 that score is neither strange nor exciting.

  • RedSparrows #104 3 years ago

    'PS3: Hardly any games/loses just about every game.

    360: Steals games/not happy with the exclusives its got/greedy.

    Wii: A gimmicky kids product/lacking decent games.'

    Oh my lord.

    You have the worst reasoning I've seen for a while.

  • cyber_nicco #105 3 years ago

    "Look if it'll shut the Xbots up, fucking port it, it'll suck though and serve them right. "

    Serve who right, Xbox owners? Why?

    If he/she replies would someone please re-post it - I won't see it. otherwise.

  • Xerx3s #106 3 years ago

    "thanks alot mate for being realistic THANKS A BUNCH "

    Huh? If you want it that much, get it on pc or 360...

  • Xerx3s #107 3 years ago

    "Ok lets turn it around, say the 360 had MGS 4 exclusively and it had MS products in it.

    MS would soon sue if it was ported to the PS3. "

    WHY IN FUCKS NAME WOULD THEY SUE?! You're making absolutely no sense whatsoever!

  • Xerx3s #108 3 years ago

    "This should shut them up, there no need for a 360 port, let the PS3 have atleast one decent exclusive. "

    0_o

    "Why do I? Is it because the PS3 is failing due to MS? MGS 4 should stay PS3 exclusive, that's all. "

    Yeah so while you are blaming everything on ms, why don't you add war, disease, hunger, etc. to that. If the ps3 is failing (a rather odd statement), it is only because of one reason. Sony. I seriously don't understand how you can blame a console manufacturer for trying to get as many games as possible on their system. At best you can blame one for losing them.

  • Widge #109 3 years ago

    lol! Kyron still fighting the GOOD FIGHT.

  • killerbread #110 3 years ago

    wow such retards who own the 360 come on i bet all of you will buy it on the 360 and yes it is an amazing game but wait they would have to put it on about 4 disks and out another 4 gb on the hdd to play it and they would have to change the game in so many ways like when one of the guys said "please put in disk 2 oh yer it dosent need to because of the space of bluray" yer i know its not like that but its kinda like what he said if any one played it

  • Feanor #111 3 years ago

    Dear oh dear

  • Les #112 3 years ago

    "Xbox Live boss John Schappert has said he would love to see Metal Gear Solid 4 on 360"

    Who wouldn't?

    "and that the console certainly has power enough to handle the beefy game."

    Haven't played it yet, too big of a PS2 back catalogue and frankly PS3 games that attract me more currently (LBP and Valkyria Chronicles to name a few). If it's mainly about pixels, I'm sure MS's pixel pusher can handle it. The audio side will probably fare less well (no 7.1 or uncompressed) and for the gameplay, no idea how clock cycle intensive that is. But if the rest of the current gen games are anything to go by, it's probably mostly about the pixels.

  • Freek #113 3 years ago

    It's simpel math: low installed base + high production costs = multiplatform release strategy.

    And why is that bad news? More people get to enjoy more good games, developers can increase their revenue, everybody wins.

  • bad09 #114 3 years ago

    Well I got my PS mainly for MGS4 (and Blu), would I care if it got ported to 360? No in fact I'd salute Konami for letting more people experience their (flawed) masterpeice.

    MGO would be a lot better on the 360 that's a cert!

  • FenderMaster #115 3 years ago

    contrary to popular opinion here, exclusives are very important, though bad for the consumer...

    If MGS4 does go to 360, then PS3 owners are left with the reality that the picked the wrong format, a bitter pill to swallow

    having MGS 4 as an exclusive made missing out on Halo 3, GoW, Lost Odysee and Fable 2 bearable, but if MGS 4 goes to 360, i've pretty much lost every excuse to have paid significantly more on a console with fuck all exclusives

    Exclusives are what make a console what it is, if MGS 4 goes all we have left is Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank and Wipeout Little Big Planet

    i look forward to a single format future, id didnt kill the dvd business, it didnt kill the music business, and it wont kill the games industry

  • Kryon #116 3 years ago

    @Arbiter

    "Neither Sony nor MS can win you berk. Nintendo have won already or haven't you noticed? "

    LOL, You really do sound like a beaten dog. Where's all the bravado you and your SDF bum chums used to show? First it was "Nah, FFXIII will never never everz get a 360 releez yoo schoopid XBOTS lulz!" Then it was "Teh free6T kant never havez der Tekken innit blud ROFLZORZ!" etc, etc, but now (about 15 lost exclusives later) you fools don't even bother denying it anymore. You have finally realised that Sony are now Microsofts bitch! Enjoy your Blu-ray player and leave the proper games machines to the real men.

  • Les #117 3 years ago

    "If MGS4 does go to 360, then PS3 owners are left with the reality that the picked the wrong format, a bitter pill to swallow"

    A rather moronic conclusion as 99% of games appear on both platforms. Yes, PS has more 3rd party 'exclusives' to 'lose' as it's had a longer history. And of course it makes getting a PS3 less necessary (if it's necessary at all) if you've got a 360 already but it goes the other way as well. TBH, I really don't understand people that get both.

    "i look forward to a single format future, id didnt kill the dvd business, it didnt kill the music business, and it wont kill the games industry"

    We don't need a single format to get generic, uninventive, no-risk releases. Happening right now on PS3 and 360 and no doubt the successors of those formats will converge more towards Wii-like machines and again we'll have three different machines running the same games, making sure their potentials remian untapped but at least the idiots (lowest common denominator) can shoot ugly aliens in the face...

    But seriously, a single platform would be even worse for gaming and would basically be a PC. Low margin business for all involved as nobody will be able to establish a profitable OS monopoly on it again after the MS disaster. And it would be quite hard to get a single hardware standard with multiple companies manufacturing the thing, each trying to out-do the competition slightly. Which will lead to not all games working on all machines, which will lead to consumers getting confused and not bothering at all with gaming, basically repeating the current PC gaming fiasco.

  • Kryon #118 3 years ago

    @BritishBlue

    AWTFAY? Listen you only joined up here to get your free SOCOM Beta key, you freeloading peasant! It's time you scuttled back to whatever gaybar you came from. Grow up, indeed!

  • wiggy1 #119 3 years ago

    it wont happen full stop. in the words of terry tibbs "thank you & goodnight much love"

  • FenderMaster #120 3 years ago

    & brittishblue, exactly, but as Les said, there is the danger of it basically turning into a PC in that case, but then again, what stopped CD player/dvd player manufacturers from having the same arms race?

    A rather moronic conclusion as 99% of games appear on both platforms. Yes, PS has more 3rd party 'exclusives' to 'lose' as it's had a longer history. And of course it makes getting a PS3 less necessary (if it's necessary at all) if you've got a 360 already but it goes the other way as well. TBH, I really don't understand people that get both.

    for people that can only get one, you have to choose the one that you think will play host to the exclusives you like more. if the console you side with loses thos exclusives, but the other format doesnt, then youve picked the loser, and although you can still play multi format games, your machine has nothing over the competitor, who's exclusives are still intact
    Edited by 1 at 16/10/08 @ 21:42

  • Kryon #121 3 years ago

    "I had a 360 before I had a PS3 "

    So what? You after a medal or something?

    "Nintendo's dominance blah blopity bleh"

    Who cares? The Wii is for fat middle aged women and little girls, there's a lot of them so it sells well.

    "You are a tool"

    You're a spasticated bucktoothed walrus with teh bad AIDS but who's counting?

  • FenderMaster #122 3 years ago

    Kryon, gamefaqs is that way --->

    eurogamer is where (mostly) adults come to discuss games

  • septimus #123 3 years ago

    It's not coming out for 360. Unless it's years later or shit.

    Calm.

  • Les #124 3 years ago

    "for people that can only get one, you have to choose the one that you think will play host to the exclusives you like more. if the console you side with loses thos exclusives, but the other format doesnt, then youve picked the loser, and although you can still play multi format games, your machine has nothing over the competitor, who's exclusives are still intact"

    That argument would have worked if the format one chose in the first place didn't have the exclusives anymore. Which isn't the case. The machine you chose loses nothing of its attractiveness by a title that you liked going multiplatform (besides the obvious deteriorated quality as it won't be able to take full advantage of the system's capabilities but that goes both ways as well). What the machine does lose is some of its competitive edge, which is relevant to the platform holder (which is why Sony invests heavily in 1st party software) but not to the consumer.

    As we all know by now, because PS3 and 360 are both losers, HD games must be multiplatform if a publisher wants to make any money. Of course Sony will be hurt by that more than MS because of its larger legacy of 3rd party exclusives: A competitive edge that became unsustainable because of changes in the industry's economics, not much they can do about it. But like I said, doesn't matter for a consumer, after he/she has made her choice (which in most cases will be neither PS3 nor 360 in which case it's even more irrelevant).

  • FenderMaster #125 3 years ago

    @ Les

    your missing the point

    Yes you can still play MGS 4 even if it does go to 360

    but if the PS3 lost all exclusives then it no longer has anything over its competitor, and you start to think "hey, if I got a 360 I could have played MGS 4 AND Halo 3, instead I got a PS3 and Just MGS 4, know what I mean?

  • Kryon #126 3 years ago

    @ FenderMaster

    "eurogamer is where (mostly) adults come to discuss games"

    and hippies with stupid hair who look like trannies, or so it seems from your profile pic.

  • FenderMaster #127 3 years ago

    aint nothin wrong with being a hippy Kryon

  • SeesThroughAll #128 3 years ago

    but if the PS3 lost all exclusives then it no longer has anything over its competitor, and you start to think "hey, if I got a 360 I could have played MGS 4 AND Halo 3, instead I got a PS3 and Just MGS 4, know what I mean?

    Perhaps you mean: "hey, if I get a 360 I can play MGS4 and Halo 3, or I can get a PS3 and play MGS4 and LittleBigPlanet"

    Your argument is weak, because you're trying to compare third party exclusives with first party ones, which BOTH consoles do have.

  • Xerx3s #129 3 years ago

    "wow such retards who own the 360 come on i bet all of you will buy it on the 360 and yes it is an amazing game but wait they would have to put it on about 4 disks and out another 4 gb on the hdd to play it and they would have to change the game in so many ways like when one of the guys said "please put in disk 2 oh yer it dosent need to because of the space of bluray" yer i know its not like that but its kinda like what he said if any one played it"

    This is what you would call an irony bomb.

    "i look forward to a single format future, id didnt kill the dvd business, it didnt kill the music business, and it wont kill the games industry"

    Short memory I see, it's not a new concept and tried several times before, every time ending in a massive failure.

    "TBH, I really don't understand people that get both. "

    Heh.

    "We don't need a single format to get generic, uninventive, no-risk releases. "

    Yup, they can keep that on the wii, as long as the good games keep on coming to the 360 and ps3 as has been the case till now, I'm perfectly fine with that.

    "AWTFAY? Listen you only joined up here to get your free SOCOM Beta key, you freeloading peasant! It's time you scuttled back to whatever gaybar you came from. Grow up, indeed!"

    0_o

  • Redeye #130 3 years ago

    *looks back at original comment and ensuing train-wreck*

    Damn, my precognitive powers are immense. Or it was just inevitable. But quite a few reasoned gems amongst the slurry, especially regarding actually porting the thing. Note to those who think it would be an impossibility - it's amazing what you can do with time, bloody good coders and a shitload of cash. All of the marketing gubbins? Easily changed. Have to ditch a mini-game? Sure someone's smart enough to design a new one. And disk-swapping? Not exactly rocket science, is it?

    The question that everyone's completely failed to ask themselves is this: considering the afore-mentioned shitload of cash that would be required to get it out ASAP, would Konami make enough money out of it to make it a worthwhile venture in the first place?

  • zooms #131 3 years ago

    @Arbiter

    How do you know they didn't record 360 specific bits when they did the PS3 specific bits - they must have entertained the idea that it might one day make its way to the 360.

    TBH I have no idea why any third party would do a platform exclusive unless the platform holder was giving them a kick-back of some sort.

    I think its a good thing that there are fewer exclusives - it means that the games that are platform exclusive have to be a cut above the norm. Exclusive may turn out to be one of the key battle points of this generation - but Sony really need to look at their price point.

  • RazorObsession #132 3 years ago

    I say just port the damn thing, Sony references and all. its not like 360 owners are unaware of Sony's history, most of them probably having owned a PS1 or 2 at some point in their lives, or at the very least played a metal gear title on one.

    its some free advertising for Sony and Apple, we'd probably get the jokes and i doubt any one would actually be offended, except for the hardcore fanboys, which lets face it, is probably a good thing.

    If Schappert had the option of having MGS4 on the system, warts and all, or not having it at all, i dare say he'd choose the warts.

    If it can be done, and it will make the company a large chunk of money for relatively less work (converting takes less time than building from scratch), then lets face it, shareholders will probably make it happen, not the baying of fanboys on forums.

  • migasUK #133 3 years ago

    sony is losing ground on console field...sad :-(

  • migasUK #134 3 years ago

    sony is losing ground on console field...sad :-(

  • Les #135 3 years ago

    "but if the PS3 lost all exclusives then it no longer has anything over its competitor, and you start to think "hey, if I got a 360 I could have played MGS 4 AND Halo 3, instead I got a PS3 and Just MGS 4, know what I mean?"

    Halo is a 1st/2nd party exclusive (the IP is owned by MS) so if Halo's your thing there's nothing to go but 360. But believe it or not, there are quite a few people around that couldn't care less about Halo. Just as there are people around that don't care about Sony's 1st/2nd party titles (Killzone, Resistance, MotorStorm, LBP, GT, God of War, Ratchet, etc.) that can't be played on competing consoles as long as Sony's in the business. Deciding which console to get is a matter of looking at the 1st/2nd party titles that interest you most as the 3rd party platform exclusive has more or less died thanks to limited interest in HD consoles.

  • drumbaby #136 3 years ago

    Schappert, just get down on your knees and beg for it in front of the gaming public...oh, you already have :)

  • saku_luk #137 3 years ago

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    ]http://ww w.gram.pl/upl/news/200810162029...[/link]

    damn I put wrong link first time xD

    x360 box ? ;p

  • chris_ace #138 3 years ago

    Post deleted at 11:55:13 13-12-2011

  • muscleblade #139 3 years ago

    "starting to not trust eurogamer reviews... starting from now"

    Started that long time ago. Still like to read them though.

  • Xerx3s #140 3 years ago

    [link url=http:/ /www.gram.pl/upl/news/20081016202940.jpg
    ]http://ww w.gram.pl/upl/news/200810162029...[/link]

    heh. ;)

    You do realise that it would give the 360 version more than 5 times as much space as it takes up on the ps3, right? :D

  • muscleblade #141 3 years ago



    "Neither Sony nor MS can win you berk. Nintendo have won already or haven't you noticed? "

    The Wii is so different from the 360 and PS3 its like comparing different kind of products imo. The war is between the 360 and PS3 and the 360 is winning and even though i dont love MS the best should win and therefore i hope the 360 wins in this console generation ( long sentence i know lol). It might be different in the next generation. If the PS4 is superior to the Xbox 720 i hope the PS4 wins. I stick with the best anyway.

  • FlipC #142 3 years ago

    To my mind we have at the moment a set of Xbox games that have been designed for that architecture and have been ported over to the PS3 (and Wii); we also have those games developed for both consoles concurrently which, let's be honest, favour the Xbox platform. Then we have those games designed for the PS3.

    What we haven't seen yet is any of those games being ported over to the Xbox. I for one would not only welcome this, but would hope that such a transfer proves to be very easy. With the amount of whining from both fanboys and developers over how difficult/nerfed current ports are, showing that going in the other direction is much simpler may encourage developers to prioritise the PS3 architecture over the Xbox platform.

    At the very least it'd be nice to see hundreds of threads comparing still images from between the two versions and the Xbox fanboys having to defend their console for a change ;-)

  • Frandroid #143 3 years ago

    muscleblade said
    "The Wii is so different from the 360 and PS3 its like comparing different kind of products imo. The war is between the 360 and PS3 and the 360 is winning..."

    I'm afraid you're wrong, because you're fighting the wrong war. As far as MS, Nintendo, Sony and their respective shareholders are concerned, the 'war' is for money and long term profitability. Personally, I'd say the Wii was kicking the other two all over the park on these terms.
    The 'war' that the fanboys are interested in is for the best/most powerful/impressive/sexy console with the best/most powerful/impressive/sexy games. There is a common, incorrect assumption that victory in this ring leads to victory in the cash war.

  • sneetch #144 3 years ago

    @miiiguel
    "PS3 aint losing exclusives, you get the games anyway. You shouldn't have a problem for others having those, as long as you can play them too."

    Exactly. I wish more people would realise this, instead some people seem to think that these exclusives going to the "enemy" is somehow a betrayal. It's childish, like a toddler who doesn't want to let someone else play with his toys because they're his toys. Well, sadly, they're not your toys, they belong to the developers. Konami aren't going to demand the PS3 version back but you have no claim to them just because you happen to have bought them and the console they originally appeared on.

    Konami are in business, they want to make money, pay the bills, feed the family, they don't (and shouldn't) give a crap about any console war or about a small number of inarticulate, angry fanboys tilting at windmills. If they can more than double their potential market by porting this then they'd be absolutely insane not to.

    Besides, as others have pointed out it's a two way street; some 360 exclusives go to PS3 other PS3 exclusives go to 360. Konami owe Sony nothing for MGS4 in the same way that 2k owe Microsoft nothing for Bioshock.

  • Les #145 3 years ago

    "The 'war' that the fanboys are interested in is for the best/most powerful/impressive/sexy console with the best/most powerful/impressive/sexy games. There is a common, incorrect assumption that victory in this ring leads to victory in the cash war."

    +1

  • muscleblade #146 3 years ago

    Frandroid wrote:"The 'war' that the fanboys are interested in is for the best/most powerful/impressive/sexy console with the best/most powerful/impressive/sexy games. There is a common, incorrect assumption that victory in this ring leads to victory in the cash war"


    I agree fully actually. Nintendo wins (has won) the cash war and MS wins (has won) the fanboy war for making the best/most powerful/impressive/sexy console with the best/most powerful/impressive/sexy games. Sony hasnt won either with the PS3 im afraid.

  • Calgon #147 3 years ago

    FlipC no we dont want that... the reason PS3 games fall behind in developement progress compared to other consoles I feel is because Sony designed the console for their PR department rather than their dev community (a disregard for their needs), it ticked the right boxes to get the hype train rolling before the 360 launched(as they did before the PS2 launched its a tactic they employ... "wait for ours its going to be so much better... no you cant see it in action properly yet... look at these videos though ;)" ) but even when they are given the extra time just for the PS3 version to compensate for the more difficult to program for hardware, the results have been equal at best to 360.

    It simply isnt right to let other platforms suffer just to get performance out of the PS3, thats Sony's fault and many people who bought the PS3 must have heard it before(so they should have thought about it more) any devs who do that will rightly have those particular versions shunned by both PC and 360 owners.

    I dont know if its true or not but apparently the devs of Dead Space did this ... they started on the 360 version, then put it on the back burner to spruce up the PS3 version enough and then went back and finnished the 360 version and didnt leave themselves enough time to get them at parity = 360 version suffers for Sony's incompetence, way to get your priorities right devs.

    Take a look for yourself, theres no excuse if this is all true and legitimate but it could be a case of poorly sourced screenshots:

    [link url=http://d.ha tena.ne.jp/yoda-dip-jp/searchdiary?word=*[Game%20Xbox360 ]
    ]http://d.hatena.ne.j p/yoda-dip-jp/search...[/link]

    It didnt turn out to be a must have anyway, but as a fan of the genre I probably would have picked it up, I still may do because by the sounds of it the shortfall is cosmetic anyway but not at full price. Is there anyone whos seen both versions that can confirm the screens are accurate?

  • VMerken #148 3 years ago

    Come on Schappert, it's just an 8/10... no need to concern yourself with "on par" games.

  • Collymilad #149 3 years ago

    It's a matter of time.

    Can't wait to see the Sony fanboys weep.

  • FlipC #150 3 years ago

    Calgon: I agree that Sony has to take the blame for the irregular design of their console and development tools; however what I'm trying to point out is that it may be easier to take an optimised PS3 engine and convert it into an Xbox version. You are simply emphasizing my point that most engines start off favouring the Xbox and a team then has to 'spruce' it up for the PS3. Under those circumstances of course the PS3 lags behind. Of course a dev might want to put the 360 version on the back-burner, after all they know the engine already works on that; that's how it was built.

    Until we see a PS3 'exclusive' ported over to the 360 we just won't know.