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MMO PC News by Oli Welsh
A professional moderator hired to preside over the first summit of EVE Online's democratically-elected player council has praised the professionalism and responsibility of the delegates.
Agust H. Ingthorsson, who has worked as a moderator in European Union meetings in Brussels, told the New York Times that the candidates seemed more capable than their counterparts in real-world politics.
"I have to tell you that I have been involved in EU meetings where the participants were not as prepared and professional as what we've seen here," Ingthorsson said. "These players have approached this meeting with what seems like real understanding of their roles.
"They are not just fighting for their particular interests but seem to be very socially responsible in wanting to represent all the players of EVE. Perhaps some real-world politicians could learn from them," he concluded.
The Council's first summit in Reykjavik went smoothly, according to the Times' report, after some initial friction between American and European players on how open its deliberations should be. The article makes for very interesting reading for anyone interested in the future of virtual worlds, so do check it out.
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kangarootoo
02/07/08 @ 09:01
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Well I'm glad you think so. Not sure anyone else agrees with you though, including the guy in the article.
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gingerlink
02/07/08 @ 09:25
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To be honest, I think this article says more about how rubbish our real-life politicians are.
But we already knew that. |
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It's not hard to be more organized and professional than most politicians. Here in the UK our government has become one big embarrassment and people cannot wait for an election (mind you the tories are just as useless!)
I've always said, Guy Fawkes had the right idea, so lets blow it up and give it all to the EVE council :) |
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kangarootoo
02/07/08 @ 10:13
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"Because running a make-belive world for geeks is exactly the same as running a continent."
FFS, will people read the bloody words of the article before commenting. If only to avoid looking stupid. |
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"What he said was they were a lot more organised and professional than 'real' politicians."
They're also doing considerably less, with information that's pretty much spot-on accurate to the dot in an extremely controlled environment. The article might as well say "Star Trek roleplayers more organised than NASA". |
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I am one of those geeky nerds on the CSM council (and a regular Eurogame reader) - thankfully they didn't use my photo...
http://hardinfaq.blogspot.com/ I had a very enjoyable time in Iceland. We had approximately 12 hours of face to face meeting with the developers. Which really gave me a wonderful insight into the game development processs (as someone outside the industry). I posted my initial impressions on this EVE related community site: http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewt... Prior to the meeting we spent over 20 hours in ingame/online meetings prioritising issues to take to Iceland (we submitted over 40 issues for discussion) and each member also developed 'paper' on each issue which were submitted to CCP in advance. We developed a template in advance stating the issue, why it needed to be fixed, pro's and cons and linking in various resources. This allowed CCP to investigate our proposals and prepare responses - thus focusing everyone's time on the useful stuff.
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kangarootoo
02/07/08 @ 10:54
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@Aspic
"FFS will people stop bleating on about readint he words as though thats sort of mantra" Hehe. That is kind of funny. 'Cos you would think when it came to reading articles and then commenting on the content of said article, READING THE WORDS should be a kind of mantra. Maybe its just me, but that part seems pretty important. Otherwise we might as well just let a cat run about on our keyboards for all the sense it would make. Nobody said it was like running a real world. But people keep on harping on about how it ISN'T like running a real world, as if ANYONE disagrees. And where did the whole "He didn't make any decisions and had no responsibility." part become relevant? This guy attended meetings, as you point out, observed what took place, and gave his opinion based on previously attending EU council meetings. That is all. How does that make him "full of shit"? |
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Basically what this guy is saying is, based on his experiences with EU politicians the EVE council is focused on what's best for the EVE community and EU types could learn from that. Lets be honest, we all know that some politicians aren't in it for the "love of the people".
Some people here seem to have missed the point he was making |
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kangarootoo
02/07/08 @ 12:55
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@Aspic
What on earth are you on about? Are you suggesting this guy has no more experience than any of us? "Yup. I've been to The Strangers Gallary in Parliament - doesn't mean I know how to run the country" I quite agree, but yet again the relevance is absent. First off, this guy never said anything about his own ability to run the country. Secondly, what rooms you have stood in when on holiday is neither here not there. All all the people who could claim that reading the article is not important, you are way down the list. I'm not sure you are actually even discussing the same thing as everyone else. Is your dad an mep or something, 'cos your anger at this guy seems to be blinding you somewhat. "Some people here seem to have missed the point he was making" Amen.
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groovychainsaw
02/07/08 @ 14:00
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Well, from what hardin said, it sounds like they did take a measured, well-researched, sensible approach to bringing issues before the council. Sounds professional to me. I'm sure the facilitator will be used to many meetings where politicians turn up having done no research and are just interested in getting one thing.
Listening to Keith Vaz's terrible questions in a parliament/closed session yesterday you could tell he knew nothing about the subject he was trying to argue about, only the most vague generalisations, which seems to be common in politics. Now, admittedly, EVE is a much smaller world than most countries, but the facilitator didn't say they were BETTER than a real government, just that they had a more professional approach. Maybe its another aspect of MMOs we should be trying to adopt in the real world eh? God knows most of us do enough grinding in the real world as it is.... ;-)
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Agust H. Ingthorsson, who has worked as a moderator in European Union meetings in Brussels...
I think the bolded part is important for the gainsayers. All he's saying is he's moderated EU political meetings in the past, and the EVE community appeared better prepared and more willing to compromise for the betterment of all parties, compared to EU officials. Kudos to the EVE community for their professional attitude. |
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