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PC Xbox 360 News by Robert Purchese

29 July, 2010

Zeno Clash developer ACE Team believes PC owners are "more open" to weird game concepts.

Speaking to Eurogamer, co-founder Carlos Bordeu said that may have been the reason Zeno Clash struggled on Xbox Live Arcade.

"I don't know whether it was because most people had already played Zeno Clash on PC, or that the console game launched a year later, but we definitely had much stronger sales on PC than on Xbox 360," Bordeu revealed. "It hasn't sold nearly as well."

"Zeno Clash was definitely weirder than most games, and it would be absurd to think that didn't put-off some people.

"PC players are maybe more open to trying weird games - games that aren't so mass market," he added. "But I don't know that I'd put it as harshly as PC gamers are smart and console gamers are stupid."

Bordeu accidentally let slip that "maybe we might get a nice surprise later this year when we might have some sort of price promotion [for Zeno Clash on XBLA]". Maybe I shouldn't be saying that," he quickly added, "as it's not confirmed."

He went on to point out that Zeno Clash had "extremely good" sales in Russia, where everybody is mad.

Zeno Clash is a brutal first-person brawler that caught attention for its strikingly original world, where trees, bushes and architecture bulge with Gaudi-like charm - not to mention its unusual cast lead by hermaphroditic central character Father-Mother. The game remains a staggering achievement for a team with a core of four (and at most seven contributors).

The original PC release of Zeno Clash happened in April 2009. The game was enhanced with co-op among other things for Xbox Live Arcade a year later. Dan Pearson assessed the PC game and Christian Donlan appraised the XBLA version.

Chilean dev ACE Team is currently hard at work on Rock of Ages, a tower defence-style game that involves rolling a boulder around a map trying to destroy rival settlements. More on that, plus the status of Zeno Clash 2, later.

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GamerG
29/07/10 @ 14:06
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Because games are cheaper /thread
noface
29/07/10 @ 14:08
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"I don't know whether it was because most people had already played Zeno Clash on PC, or that the console game launched a year later"


no shit sherlock
hiddenranbir
29/07/10 @ 14:08
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Because consolers are a more simple folk. Chortle chortle.
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29/07/10 @ 14:11
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As soon as I get some points this is going to be bought, along with puzzle Quest 2. How much is it in steam? Also, was it even in one of those crazy Steam sales?
Adi-C
29/07/10 @ 14:14
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I dunno, most games i would call weird are japanese, and thus are on consoles eg. DS. All the cooking, dating, walking the dog games and shit.
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steve1979
29/07/10 @ 14:14
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As soon as this hits 800 points i'll buy it. Simple as that.
Mogs
29/07/10 @ 14:14
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I thought PC gaming was dead, didn't anyone tell them?
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Vyggo
29/07/10 @ 14:17
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Shame, this is a cool game and perfectly suited for console-controllers.
ZuluHero
29/07/10 @ 14:18
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"I don't know whether it was because most people had already played Zeno Clash on PC"

Bingo! At least us weirdos did :)
machinesoul1
29/07/10 @ 14:21
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The fact that it wasn't very good may have been a factor in 360 owners not taking the plunge after playing the demo, it was for me.
Doctor_What
29/07/10 @ 14:23
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Flower on PSN is weirder as a game concept than Zeno Clash.
mfnick
29/07/10 @ 14:24
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I want it but I dont buy any games at 1200 points. Simple as. Especially when said game can be picked up with a box, disc & everything on PC for £8.95 as highlighted by the Zavvi ad on this site.

I'll be more than happy to buy it once it hits 800 points.

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MiniAmin
29/07/10 @ 14:24
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One of my favourite games, loved it.
TeaFiend
29/07/10 @ 14:25
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Or the fact the story is terribly short and there is not a terrible amount of replayability? If your game is over the magic 1000MS barrier it needs more to it than "It looks pure dead weird man".
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29/07/10 @ 14:25
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It was a year later and I'd already had the chance to buy it for PC at a fraction of the ~$15 it was asking for on XBLA.
Vortex808
29/07/10 @ 14:28
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Personally, since about tekken 3 i just don't dig fighting games much. Although i did like Batman:AA so maybe that's not completely the case. I am more than happy to try 'weird' games if they appeal to me.

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29/07/10 @ 14:32
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They'll play anything...as long as it validates the huge cash outlay ;)
FanBoysSuck
29/07/10 @ 14:32
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Proper 360 pad support on the PC version please! The lack of changable key bindings for certain actions make this game unplayable for me :(
Mogs
29/07/10 @ 14:38
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" thought PC gaming was dead, didn't anyone tell them? "

It is for high budget HD titles and anyone who says other wise is kidding themselves. consolkes is where all the money is so thats where publishers will go. WOW and other MMO ,(plus flash) is the only market left for pc gaming, the days of crysis are over as crytec and epics pc desertion shows.


Then it's true. PC gaming is dead!!!!!!!!!!

/Uninstalls Steam and cries.
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29/07/10 @ 14:43
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I played this really weird game once about this guy in dungarees. He broke blocks with his head, jumped on turtles and whenever he ate a mushroom he grew to twice his size! How weird is that! Sadly it was on a console, so I don't think many people played it.

Oh, wait...
bad09
29/07/10 @ 14:53
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"It is for high budget HD titles and anyone who says other wise is kidding themselves. "

/ goes back to 1080p HD "dead" gaming laughing at Mickey and "HD" consoles

Hey don't worry Mickey I fell for "HD consoles" at first to.
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29/07/10 @ 14:59
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I'm a PS3 owner and I love the weird games (Linger In Shadows, .detuned, Noby Noby Boy, LocoRoco), I'd say push weird-envelope as far as their imagination will allow.
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29/07/10 @ 15:06
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um yes they are. Anyone who knows anything about PC gaming's history knows that.

This is the platform that has tycoon games about anything, a simulator about everything, and has had over the years all genres appear on it.
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NunianVonFuch
29/07/10 @ 15:17
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Game was all right. Think it's more that it was seen as cheap on pc whilst on 360 it was priced as "Premium XBLA" for 1200 points which is always going to be a barrier for people.
Machetazo
29/07/10 @ 15:19
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This game made its reputation on PC, then a port after the fact, attracts disappointing results. They ought to have been developed/released closer in tandem. There was too long between, and too little marketing buzz remained for the console release to have made much of a splash. I'd be surprised if there wasn't also a recognition disadvantage.

I know that I read plenty of comments from people weighing up, trying to "get" the game, before deciding whether they would buy it, or not. Add in the 1200 MSP, and feedback calling in to question the value, and I think that's pretty much a closed case.
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29/07/10 @ 15:19
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I think it's mainly down to 1) the accessability of having any game you want at your fingertips and 2) the brilliant deals that steam run. I have 2 mates with high-end gaming PCs and 360s. You can tell by their 360 collection they're all about first-person shooters but their PC collections are a completely different story. People are more willing to take a chance on something at the right price.
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29/07/10 @ 15:24
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@Mogs
Then it's true. PC gaming is dead!!!!!!!!!!

/Uninstalls Steam and cries.


I'm organising a graveside vigil for PC gaming, bring your own candle. We'll all get through this together. :(

mickey2010 is a funny man.


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29/07/10 @ 15:30
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Then it's true. PC gaming is dead!!!!!!!!!!

/Uninstalls Steam and cries.


PC Gaming has been dying for years, and years, and years, and years. It's still here, there are still free games out there which are brilliant, cheap games you can buy for very little money, indie games and - oh of course - Steam, with it's regular and automatic updates to games, it's willingness to compensate when things go wrong... that's before we mention Cataclysm (which will be awesome, I should know because I'm in beta), The Old Republic and The Elder Scrolls Online, which I want more information on NOW Bethesda, you reuined years of my life with Oblivion so I need to know how many more years of my life you intend to rob me of... oh, and DC Universe online and a few other MMOs which are looking tasty!

Couple this with games recently like Torchlight, Dragon Age: Origins (Which has mod tools so the userbase can keep it going long after the DLC demand dries up), Mass Effect 2, the remakes of Monkey Island, Sam and Max, SBCG4AP, Left4Dead, Half Life 2 Episode 3 coming soon which won't be crap I am sure and remastered games like Resident Evil 5 which play as if they were born to be played on a PC (Though I still want Sheva to die a horrible horrible death)...

If this is what dying is like, then that's perfectly fine with me, because I won't be forced to forget about backwards compatability next generation will I? :P

note; To answer the topic though, I am more open to weird games, but I like weird and experimental games. If you get the price point right, I'm sure console users will lap it up, but it's got to be good and it's got to work. That's kind of important, because there's still a bitter feud over control pads vs keyboard and mouse (which will never be resolved I'm with the keyboard and mouse crowd). It's easy to say "It's not selling well on XBLA!", but there's a lot to do when you port a PC game to a console, and vice versa, and it's not always for the best...

Sorry Dragon Age XB360, we're looking at you...
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29/07/10 @ 15:38
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I wonder if it's because there's not as many hateful 14 year old PC gamers as console gamers to dismiss anything that's not CoD as "gay"?
darth_paul
29/07/10 @ 15:45
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funny thing... if you look at it, the consoles are the ones who "died". they have turned into pc's. you have an operating system, you can install games on it, patches

the pc just keeps reinventing itself. its far from dead, and as an open platform, will always exist. the consoles, on the other hand... and now with onlive/gaikai... hmmm
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29/07/10 @ 15:45
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Possibly, though I can assure you I've experienced just as much of that in Left4Dead and L4D2. It's inescapable really... of course, it can be quite pleasurable when you're screwing over others and waiting for the reaction. Does that make me a bad person?!
miiiguel
29/07/10 @ 15:46
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Bought it; played it; completed it, loved it. I don't know who this "console crowd" is, and I don't realy care.
lucky_jim
29/07/10 @ 15:56
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I like weird games. I just didn't get on with Zeno Clash for some reason. I liked the tone and art style and all that, but the game itself felt a bit unresponsive and "squishy" to me so I didn't buy the full version. It's a shame because I really wanted to love it, I'll give it a chance if it's ever XBLA Deal of the Week but I suspect the controls didn't do too well out of the transition from PC to console.

Darwinia's poor sales on XBLA is far more unfair than Zeno Clash's fate imo.
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29/07/10 @ 15:57
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"the pc just keeps reinventing itself. "

It "reinvented" itself out of my gaming space. I play games for over 20 years now and I started on the PC. It is indeed dead like year-old horseshit (to me)

@badboy: wanna play a round of Wipeout HD with me on your PC? Oh wait...
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29/07/10 @ 16:12
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Stick it on PSN for £5 or so and I'll buy it.

I like weird stuff, except for when they poo on each other, thats a bit too far
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29/07/10 @ 16:17
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ah I love it when console fanboys actually dare to mention exclusive FPS games when it comes to comparing PCs to HD consoles.

Really? That's like comparing the Wii to the 360 about platform games just because the 360 has a few XBLA games and Banjo Kazzooie.
cristoflanga
29/07/10 @ 16:23
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Viva Chile mierda!!!! cough, cough.
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29/07/10 @ 16:24
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@ mickey2010

Er I have a 360 and PS3 right next to the PC I never use them :) but then personally the exclusives on the consoles these days are incredibly weak in terms of my own personal taste (with the possible exception of LBP2 when it hits).

Oh and in your little list there I see no SSF4 or RDR, they only two games not on PC (yet!) I would cut my dick off for.

Most consoles probably are in the bedrooms if live is anything to go by, still on my 42 inch TV the "HD" consoles 'ain't freakin' HD compared to my PC :)
miiiguel
29/07/10 @ 16:28
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Another freakin cat fight...

PC! Consoles! 360! PS3!


argh!!!!!!!!
noface
29/07/10 @ 16:32
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"Most consoles probably are in the bedrooms "

What the WHAT?

I don't even...
Deckard1
29/07/10 @ 17:00
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I'm a console gamer and I like weird games. I just thought Zeno Clash was shit. Poor gameplay and the "weirdness" was too forced.
noface
29/07/10 @ 17:01
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bu..bu..but the russians bought it!
porkloin
29/07/10 @ 17:03
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What a pointless article/news story/drivel. Just an excuse for everyone to do exactly what they've been doing on this comments thread. Argue about gaming platforms you fucking idiots.
noface
29/07/10 @ 17:08
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^^this guy is right. there is no argument over nothing.

type out the steam-price
type out the XBL-price of the game

/kicks himself outta thread
Dirtbox
29/07/10 @ 17:16
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Console gaming is dead.
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29/07/10 @ 17:25
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I always find it a bit funny when people declare that PC is dying when consoles "die" every few years. The new games front on the Gamecube, PSOne, and the first Xbox is a bit quiet now, isn't it? ;)

Edit: TBH the PS2 is a bit quiet now too, really.
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Sharzam
29/07/10 @ 17:46
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Well i dont know if weirder is the right one. I think more 'varied' as PC land is the very defination of open anyone can make games with any ideas regardless of whether or not they sell (case in point freeware).

So were used to seeing and experimenting, where as consoles are a very controlled enviorment where most of the time only things they think will sell are even produced. Which means there are less 'what if' games.
monkeywithnoeyes
29/07/10 @ 17:58
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pc gaming isnt dead.. it's just surviving off the back of consoles.
the_mtfr
29/07/10 @ 19:35
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So how about releasing the PC version of the enhanced Zeno Clash? I'd buy it.

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