PS3 is Linux 'supercomputer'

By Games Industry.biz Published 14 June, 2005

Says Sony's Ken Kutaragi.

Sony Computer Entertainment boss Ken Kutaragi has claimed that the PlayStation 3 is being positioned as a supercomputer capable of running multiple operating systems, with the Linux system to be pre-installed on the machine's hard drive.

Interviewed by Japanese website PC Impress Watch, Kutaragi lashed out at Nintendo and Microsoft for defining their systems purely as toys or game consoles, and said that PS3 will be sold as a "supercomputer".

In order to accomplish that, the system will ship with the Linux operating system on its hard drive - although it's not yet clear whether that drive will actually ship with the system as part of the default configuration, or as an optional extra.

Kutaragi claims that the PS3 will be capable of running multiple operating systems, and could in theory run Linux, Windows and Mac OS X together. He also mentioned Lindows, a variety of Linux designed to emulate the ease of use of Windows, and alluded to a "new OS" which could be the Linux-based system which Sony is rumoured to be working on with a number of other Japanese companies as a potential competitor to Windows, especially in the media space.

This isn't the first time that Sony has tried to position one of its systems as a personal computer rather than a console - the firm tried to make the same claim about the PlayStation 2, in a move which was largely seen as an attempt to win lower import duty from the European Union.

However, this time around, Kutaragi seems serious about the system's computer-like capabilities - citing applications such as photo and video editing as possible functions for the system's Linux operating system software.

Such functionality would be a logical evolution of the type of software which ships with Sony's PSX media centre systems, and would be an unsurprising addition to the box given the company's ambition in the home media space.

It's an area where Sony seems likely to face competition not only from Microsoft, but also from Apple - which commentators believe is likely to make a bold move into the living room with a new product line based on the popular and low-cost Mac Mini computers, and powered by Intel processors.

It has emerged that Sony did indeed approach Apple with a view to encouraging the computer maker to include the Cell microprocessor in its future systems, but according to sources close to the Japanese company quoted by the New York Times, Apple boss Steve Jobs was "disappointed" in the Cell processor and opted for the Intel deal instead, although whether technical or commercial reasons were foremost in that decision is still unknown.

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  • onyxbox #1 7 years ago

    bloody hell, so looks like next gen really is about 'who's media centre have you gone for, Sony, MS or Apple ?'.

  • Blerk #2 7 years ago

    although it's not yet clear whether that drive will actually ship with the system as part of the default configuration, or as an optional extra

    From everything he's been saying it's sounding more and more like it won't be.

    C'mon, Ken. Shove a plug in it and wheel out somebody who's going to tell us what the bloody games will be like. You're boring.

    Tch.

  • Blerk #3 7 years ago

    Apple boss Steve Jobs was "disappointed" in the Cell processor and opted for the Intel deal instead, although whether technical or commercial reasons were foremost in that decision is still unknown

    Didn't the original reports say that he thought it was shit and not as good as the PowerPC? Which he then dumped in favour of Intel? :-)

    Seems like Ken's not the only one with a few screws rattling about in his head, eh?

  • drumbaby #4 7 years ago

    "Lindows"

    /resists rather obvious racially motivated joke

  • Captain Fetid #5 7 years ago

    Why run Linux of this probably is going to be a closed system anyway? If he wants to sell it as a supercomputer, all of its internals should be accessible. It should be open for all to develop and create for.

    Now that I come to think of it... Could this be the goal? An open supercomputer, on which you can run PSMC (Playstation Media Center) without resorting to (semi-)legal means?

  • Blerk #6 7 years ago

    So are they shipping with a mouse and keyboard, or are we navigating our way around Linux with the Batarang?

  • Dizzy #7 7 years ago

    When was he going to wrestle that bear again?

  • #8 7 years ago

    ken speaks complete hogwash , im not even going to bother reading his interviews anymore .

  • #9 7 years ago

    Where's 'Bullshit Arnie' this morning?

  • Kengro #10 7 years ago

    Hell yeah...
    All i want is a console that might get viruses

  • phAge #11 7 years ago

    All our base are belong to Ken.

  • redd #12 7 years ago

    yes Blerk, the report clearly states Steve Jobs being disappointed with the performance of the Cell, which he thinks even the powerpc can beat... What is Eurogamer trying to do? Omiting stuff like this and for the sake of sony pride and honor making just a referral to it in yet another 'PS3 teh SuPeRcOmPuTeR' news post...

    And for the record, 2mb cache chips (intel) aint going to get cheap any day soon which would make the Cell even more desirable with sonys 'put them in toasters' manufacturing philosophy... i'd just like to see them manufacturing PSPs aplently, which they dont seem to be able to do... not that i'm interested nowadays, the console seems software dead for the near future.

  • octo #13 7 years ago

    Pushing it as a supercomputer?

    Weird.

  • joey #14 7 years ago

    Oh, for the love of God, this whole next gen thing is really starting to get on my tits. They are all games consoles, and they will all ship with a control pad, not a keyboard. And the PS3 is not a sodding supercomputer either, it's just going to be a fast games machine. If one of these machines does not have a HDD, then none of the cross platform games will bother supporting it, just with the current gen. No one ever buys add-ons for consoles, and as you can get a PC or Mac for a few hundred they are never going to compete in that maket either.

    Personally, they should have spent whatever it cost to develop the OS thing on a GAME, an origainal one, that uses the new hardware really well - and it would make business sense - we might actually buy that!

  • mattigan #15 7 years ago

    "Batarang"

    LOL, thats EXCACTLY what I thought of the controller.

  • tonynibbles #16 7 years ago

    Well, they didnt put CELL in it for nothing.

  • struddie #17 7 years ago

    This guy should just sit down and give his mouth a chance...

  • kaosridder #18 7 years ago

    wasp thats the exact opposite of what I read everywhere else. The cell is great at calculations like SETI and such stuff. But as a gaming platform it sucks. Thats why they had to use Nividia for gfx. Initially the ps3 was to be entirely celldriven, which Sony gave up at some point.

  • jpar123 #19 7 years ago

    "yes Blerk, the report clearly states Steve Jobs being disappointed with the performance of the Cell, which he thinks even the powerpc can beat... What is Eurogamer trying to do? Omiting stuff like this and for the sake of sony pride and honor making just a referral to it in yet another 'PS3 teh SuPeRcOmPuTeR' news post... "

    Yes redd its all a big conspiracy that EG is sony-biased.

    If you believe the line above me I've got a bridge that I can sell you.

    Isn't it OBVIOUS why Apple would be against Sony?
    There are *GASP* rivals!
    Apple is trying to be the media centre that Sony is trying to be. You think you'll say "the competition chip is better than ours but ours has better... umm.. colours?"
    I don't care about the cosmetics! Its a chipset! All I care about is SPEED!
    jeez.. sometimes the fact that I don't know these people makes me feel good.

  • Genji #20 7 years ago

    come on arnie... where are you when we need you?

  • Blerk #21 7 years ago

    Ah, the good old days... I remember fitting maths co-processors to some of our college's 286 PCs. :-)
    Edited by 1 at 14/06/05 @ 11:27

  • Dizzy #22 7 years ago

    >The Cell has unremarkable integer performance.

    True... A Cell powered PC would be very sucky indeed. I can not even believe that Sony actually wanted Apple to use Cell as a Mac CPU. Soooo funny.

  • Xerx3s #23 7 years ago

    OKE, FFS! HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE NEED TO HEAR THIS MARKETING FANBOY BS?!

    A console ISNT a supercomputer! Its nowhere near REAL supercomputers such as Blue Gene /L!

    It runs on 1 cpu that is capable of 3.2 ghz, and most of its tasks are dedicated to processing large ammounts of streaming data such as films! THAT ISNT A SUPER COMPUTER.

    Im gonna bash an At. Jaguar controler down the throath of the next person who still dares to claim such marketing bs.

    "Apple boss Steve Jobs was "disappointed" in the Cell processor and opted for the Intel deal instead" Yeh, well, duh.

    OW and still ppl admire FP eh? How am i gonna say it? FP = useless for games! (well most of it anyway). Its great for prerenderd crap, such as sony's ENTIRE e3 stand.
    Edited by 1 at 14/06/05 @ 11:40

  • Tweakmonkey #24 7 years ago

    True... A Cell powered PC would be very sucky indeed. I can not even believe that Sony actually wanted Apple to use Cell as a Mac CPU. Soooo funny.

    I don't know about that. The Cell is made by IBM after all, which made the PowerPC, which traditionally had very good FP calculations, which if I'm not mistaken are good for all the media type apps like Photoshop...

  • Dizzy #25 7 years ago

    Errr.. we are talking about integer performance, not floating point.

  • Carrybagma #26 7 years ago

    Just think - there are months and months to fill with hundreds of dull stories about people with business interests suggesting their products will be better than rival products. Still, I suppose that's what we're here for. At least Ken provides *interesting* nonsense to think about.

    14) The contents of KenK's fingernails are backwardsly compatible with PRIMOS and VMS, whereas BillG's can only run MSDOS

    I call upon Captain Nippon to unleash the dogs of bonkersness!

  • Tweakmonkey #27 7 years ago

    Are you saying the Cell has worse integer performance than PowerPC?

  • Blerk #28 7 years ago

    OW and still ppl admire FP eh? How am i gonna say it? FP = useless for games! (well most of it anyway).

    Floating point is useless for games? What do you think is being used to calculate all those complex 3D worlds you're looking at every time you fire up a game, then?

  • Teeth #29 7 years ago

    Bah, we can just use fixed point for all that. Old schooooool!

    /is working on 16-bit no-floating-point sprite-based scrolling-text-layer hardware at the moment and loving it

  • strangeguy #30 7 years ago

    It couldn't run Windows because Cell is not an x86 chip. The same with OSX, cell isn't a Power PC chip. They'd have to rewrite the Linux kernel for Cell but I doubt MS will do that for Sony!

  • weebl #31 7 years ago

    Who the heck apart from M$ is saying that 80% of games are integer based? For any 3d based games with any sort of physics going on, you would reckon that over 90% is floating point based. Perhaps an energy bar or something might be integer based, but in any case, couldn't you treat integers as floating point numbers anyway?

  • Teeth #32 7 years ago

    stop using M$, it's sad

  • Grunk #33 7 years ago

    Sound like those guys from marketing (LPDN) are at it again.

  • Heds #34 7 years ago

    I reckon the only way to settle this NextGen rubbish is to put Ken and J Allard in a sealed room, each with their consoles, and let them just bash the hell out of each other.

    At least it'd shut them up. Then Ninty could come forward and astound the world. With whatever shoebox they're building.

  • #35 7 years ago

    I can imagine the Electronics Arts / SONY demographic loving the prospect of trying to figure out how you use 'Linux', I'm sure it's very street!. I wonder who Ken is actually targeting this 'Supercomputer' for? :/ Because I have the sense that come launch time, most of the people who would normally buy a Playstation will be particularly alienated by it all especially when they realise they have a PC World Rep trying to sell them a 5 year warranty, mandatory optional HDD, Keyboard and Mouse with it.
    Edited by 2 at 14/06/05 @ 13:25

  • Dizzy #36 7 years ago

    > Who the heck apart from M$ is saying that 80% of games are integer based?

    Please pay attention.

    We were talking about Cell powering a Mac.... just like Steve has said.. Cell is rubbish for Mac/PC type machines.

    Games obviously have more need for floating point, but I have the feeling 70% of this site doesn't know why (because Ken said so!!!!)

  • old_skool #37 7 years ago

    Here's a very interesting article

    http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEW S_EN/20050425/104149/?ST=english

  • old_skool #38 7 years ago

    Here's a very interesting article for those who didn't see it yet

    http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEW S_EN/20050425/104149/?ST=english



  • Gurgeh #39 7 years ago

    Article introducing the Cell processor (written before Apple's switch to Intel)

    http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/cell-1.ars
    "...Everything on this processor is stripped down to the bare minimum, so don't expect a ton of VMX performance out of it, and definitely not anything comparable to the G5...

    ..Apple's use of this chip is within the realm of concievability, but it's extremely unlikely in the short- and medium-term. Apple is just too heavily invested in Altivec, and this processor is going to be a relative weakling in that department. Sure, it'll pack a major SIMD punch, but that will not be a double-precision Alitvec-type punch."

  • The-Bodybuilder #40 7 years ago

    >"I reckon the only way to settle this NextGen rubbish is to put Ken and J Allard in a sealed room, each with their consoles, and let them just bash the hell out of each other."

    An unfair fight, considering ken has the batarang, and can continue to throw the pad at allard.

  • Blerk #41 7 years ago

    But Allard can counter with his "electrified Xbox Cable of Doom"!

    Zzzzzap!

  • JHuxley #42 7 years ago

    "http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/cell-1.ars&q uot;

    I'm not doubting the validity of that article, but why do they have 7 pages on the 360 processor and only 2 on the Cell?

  • Gurgeh #43 7 years ago

    > I'm not doubting the validity of that article, but why do they have 7 pages on the 360 processor and only 2 on the Cell?

    a) they have 3 pages on the Cell - theres a part 2...

    b) the Xbox 360 article isn't just about it's processor

    c) lack of information from IBM when the article was written:

    "Unfortunately, they didn't include many more microarchitectural details in today's session than they did in yesterday's. Most of the session covered issues like power management, clocking, the design process, and so on"
    Edited by 1 at 14/06/05 @ 15:59

  • mcmonkeyplc #44 7 years ago

    My god! Shut this man up!

  • JHuxley #45 7 years ago

    "lack of information from IBM when the article was written"

    OK, that explains it. Thanks. Although with that in mind surely a definitive conclusion can't be reached? They should really do something new on the Cell.

  • Gurgeh #46 7 years ago

    > Although with that in mind surely a definitive conclusion can't be reached?

    Yes it can. The Cell does what is it designed to do. It isn't designed to be a G5 or Pentium-whatever replacement, and it wouldn't do that job very well. Which is one of the reasons why Apple passed on it.

    > They should really do something new on the Cell.

    I'm sure they will; they will probably do a write-up on the Ps3 like they have on the XBox 360. Remember the 360 is six months closer to release.

  • JHuxley #47 7 years ago

    Gurgeh, I was talking about a definitive conclusion between the Cell and Xenon. Most gamers don't care much about Apple's dealings. :p

  • RobTheBuilder #48 7 years ago

    Yeah, a Supercomputer.

    Like the emotion engine ever delivered on 20% of its promises...

  • Scimarad #49 7 years ago

    Oh dear, there goes Ken again...

  • joey #50 7 years ago

    Llama's

  • Captain-nippon #51 7 years ago

    Wow, after reading some of these so call replies, it seem to me Sony have something that everyone really want or hurting having. Hell even Steve Jobs got into th is mess.

    Sony PS 3 is really going for the ONE TWO THREE PUNCH Here. Attacking Microsoft window, Intel and Apple at the same time with Just one Little machines call PlayStation.

    By using linux, Sony will help introduce Linux to millions of new users, a number MS can't be to happy about. Having the PS 3 as Super Computer will increse sale for those who looking for a new computer.

    With 2 Tflops per second that's faster than an PC on the market.

    A game console and a supercomputer at a price of $350. That's just too good to be true.

    By Introducing the PS 3 as a computer Sony is getting the Upper hand on X360, which is not going for the computer idea because that would mean that every X360 need a window OS in the system. Having a window OS in the X360 would
    increase price of the X360 and hurt sale of Window based PC. And there is noway that MS will ever ever ever use Linux.

    As for Steve Jobs comments for the Cell, well he just full of himself when he talk too.

    Cell it is a great processor. The reason why he's not using cell is because He fear the power Sony have over Apple. Sony owe the Cell processor. To say that Jobs is not impress by the cell design but all the Macs used the PowerPc
    which the Cell is based on. The Cell is the Super Version of the PowerPC processor. Do you think anyone at Intel will say Cell
    is a GREAT PROCESSOR.? Hell NO. Also, don't you think it's kinda funny how Apple is sleeping with Intel now instead of the IBM.

    Apple is trying to be a media company that Sony IS. Apple stupid Mac mini will be up against the PS 3 for the
    living room... Too bad the Mac Mini is inferior the the PS 3 in every aspect. From Network Interface, Streaming Media, Processing Power and of course the PS 3 is a sweet GAME CONSOLE.




  • Kengro #52 7 years ago

    Captain-nippon
    The supercomputers run at 100+ terraflops, best one to this date does 135....
    No... Ps3 is no "supercomputer", till i see it i will rate it as a overhyped piece of junk. Besides, Steve Jobs i belive knows what he is talking about. I will guess that he has seen more of the cell than anyone here, so i give him that point and you the donkey ears :)

  • DaveT #53 7 years ago

    "A game console and a supercomputer at a price of $350. That's just too good to be true. "

    That's because it isn't true.

  • mustardkid #54 7 years ago

    sod all this hogwash about hardware

    WHERE ARE THE KILLER APPS

    i dont care what apple thought about the processor, i don't care about flops... giga, terra, or otherwise. some of the highpoints of my gaming life have been on 8 bit machines with less of a spec than todays kettles. ok so sometimes i'm happy to settle for some old ideas in smarter packaging. it would be nice to see something fresh, but new game styles don't come around very often. so give me something with character, something with soul, ico didn't do a whole lot of new tricks, but god, that game had heart - lets see more of that, proof that even in these days of huge developement teams something with the vision of the early bedroom codies can still happen.

  • cubed2d #55 7 years ago

    "By using linux, Sony will help introduce Linux to millions of new users, a number MS can't be to happy about. Having the PS 3 as Super Computer will increse sale for those who looking for a new computer."
    Id hardly call it super computer. its fast ill give them that but not super computer standard.

    "With 2 Tflops per second that's faster than an PC on the market."
    at the moment. it wont take long for PCs to outclock it.new consoles are allways more powerful than pcs, and the pc allways catches up. just the way life is.

    "A game console and a supercomputer at a price of $350. That's just too good to be true."
    becuases it isnt realy true. anyway, why would the adverage user need a super computer.. anyone ever stopped to think of that? super computers are tipicaly used for rendering, scientific experiments, weather modling and things like that

    "By Introducing the PS 3 as a computer Sony is getting the Upper hand on X360, which is not going for the computer idea because that would mean that every X360 need a window OS in the system. Having a window OS in the X360 would
    increase price of the X360 and hurt sale of Window based PC. And there is noway that MS will ever ever ever use Linux."

    it wont cost microsoft anything to put software they own on the x360. its probly running a special vertion of windows CE anyways, or maby even xp embeded. with low level programs like operating systems, its quite easy to recompile the program to another platform aslong as its written in ansi C. im oritty sure windows would be, that allows for microsoft to change target platform with ease if circustances change. and lots of microsoft software allready is made for power pc processers. i have msn, office and other Ms stuff on my mac

    "As for Steve Jobs comments for the Cell, well he just full of himself when he talk too." he is a little bit, but hes been in the industry longer than you have, so ill take his word over yours.

    "Cell it is a great processor. The reason why he's not using cell is because He fear the power Sony have over Apple."
    what utter rubbish.

    "Sony owe the Cell processor."
    They dont own it. that co designed it. they only own what that put in to it. and from what i gather it wasnt much. IBm seemed to have made it in exchange for some sony tech.

    "To say that Jobs is not impress by the cell design but all the Macs used the PowerPc which the Cell is based on. The Cell is the Super Version of the PowerPC processor."
    He isnt impressed means he isnt impressed. he has been reported to have said that he thinks it will perform worse than an equivilent power pc processer, or something along thoes lines. you can take it and tweak it as much as you want, but just becuase you change something dosnt mean its better than the origonal

    "Do you think anyone at Intel will say Cell
    is a GREAT PROCESSOR.? Hell NO."
    well, i think they would say its good if they thought that. then they would leech all the tech they could from them and make there own vertions. look at intel and AMD. they dont slag each other off much, they just try abd get a step ahead. they setal ideas from eachother all the time

    "Also, don't you think it's kinda funny how Apple is sleeping with Intel now instead of the IBM."
    nope. this is mainly beacuse IBM still havent come up with a low power G5 chip, so apples laptops are stuck with ageing tech. apple dont like the way power pc is headding so they changed to intel. thats business, not sleeping.


    "Apple is trying to be a media company that Sony IS. Apple stupid Mac mini will be up against the PS 3 for the
    living room... Too bad the Mac Mini is inferior the the PS 3 in every aspect. From Network Interface, Streaming Media, Processing Power and of course the PS 3 is a sweet GAME CONSOLE."

    i pod and i tunes anyone? apple are beating sony in that line of media. the mini mac is a different kind of system. its small and portable, not designed to be the most powerful computer. they have the same kind of network interface as ps3, wired lan and wifi. streaming is streaming, you cant say ones better that the other, that depends of software as much or maby more than hardware. to say the ps3 does it best is just foolish. and yup you said it, the ps3 is a games console. if i buy a games console, i buy it to play games. i dont care about the adons, there nice but i have a pc that im happy with, as do most peole. sony just seem to be loosing direction and making the jack of all trades station, and if there not carefull its going to be a master of none.


    i hope thats a fair anough anayasis :p
    Edited by 1 at 15/06/05 @ 00:32

  • IronGiant #56 7 years ago

    "Yeah, a Supercomputer.

    Like the emotion engine ever delivered on 20% of its promises... "

    FFS Rob, even the fanbois haven't mentioned that old chestnut. Trust you to.

  • Scimarad #57 7 years ago

    FFS why don't you ignore all this crap! I can just see all these claims coming up in a few years time as you go on about 'how the PS3 never lived up to the hype'. Are you really telling me that this is in any way credible?

    It's probably going to be a damn good console with some great games on it AND THAT'S ALL THAT SODDING MATTERS. Fine they should gag good old Ken but saying a machine isn't going to live up to claims like this is kind of beside the point - Nobody with any sense takes them seriously in the first place!

    Edited by 1 at 15/06/05 @ 07:51

  • Blerk #58 7 years ago

    Bet the games are rubbish, though. :-)

  • Kengro #59 7 years ago

    Big Blue has once again set a record for building one of the world's fastest super computers. IBM's Watson Blue Gene system will be second only to its own Blue Gene/L supercomputer installed at Lawrence Livermore National Labs (LLNL) that became the world's fastest system in March.

    The Watson Blue Gene (BGW) system will achieve a processing speed of 91.29 trillion floating point operations per second (teraflops), nearly matching BlueGene/L, which has reached 135.3 teraflops.

    Betanews.com

  • JHuxley #60 7 years ago

    "sony just seem to be loosing direction and making the jack of all trades station, and if there not carefull its going to be a master of none."

    What are you talking about? It's a GAMES CONSOLE. Only mad Kenny claims the PS3 is a 'super computer', and nobody really believes him.

  • jawolf #61 7 years ago

    MustardKid: I applaud you.... Sanity! Thank you.

    *pretentious wanker hat on*

    Some clarity maybe:
    Will they offer PS3 in a rack (not rackmounted ;o) like the minimum of BlueGene, which is a single 1 rack 750KG offering at minimum. It does give a nice 5.73 TeraFlops peak per rack using 1024 nodes consisting of 2 X PPC440s (at 700MHz)? See http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/deepcomputing /pdf/bluegene_spec_sheet.pdf

    Xerc3s: if you don't mind 16 racks of them together you can get 70 TF (which would be 14.6M wide and 1M deep and 2M high - which may be similar to the original XBox size ;o). You will have to give us all here some great insight into your knowledge of game programming, as obviously integer calculations is everything(maybe we should be using Mascot Capsule API?). You talk as if you know so much, and I think you should enlighten us uninformed bretheren about just how to do it.

    Theorhetically, right at this point in time, both the PS3 and Xbox 360 offer good performance to density even if you exclude graphics subsystem performance. (which is around 0.2 teraFlops for either of them for single precision FP - the SPE's offers about 0.022 TeraFlops in double precision FP) You don't get redundancy like BlueGene though, unless you buy two and buy two copies of the games ;o)

    *pretentious wanker hat off*

    After saying all that, I'm with MustardKid: good enjoyable games are what we give a crap about.

  • blicko #62 7 years ago

    He also mentioned Lindows, a variety of Linux ...

    ... that is now known as Linspire.

  • Destrado #63 7 years ago

    I remember not too long ago that the Apple G4 was touted as a super computer chip because it performed a gigaflop (someone correct me if I'm wrong about the rate of flopage) because the original definition of a supercomputer was one that could perform a certain amount of floating point calculations in a certain period of time and the definition had not been updated.

  • Captain-nippon #64 7 years ago

    hahahahhahah

    this is great, after reading so many X boyies posts, than it hit me. You're all afraid of PS 3. What the hell would you spend so much time complainting and bashing the PS 3. When we all know that it's twice the power of the x360.

    """""""""A game console and a supercomputer at a price of $350. That's just too good to be true.""""""

    """""becuases it isnt realy true. anyway, why would the adverage user need a super computer.. anyone ever stopped to think of that? super computers are tipicaly used for rendering, scientific experiments, weather modling and things like that"""""""""&q uot;

    But is TRUE. For $350 it can't be any less true than that. Yes, Super Computer are ues for heavy duty calucations, but that never mean average people can't use it for general purpose. One thing is for sure with that kind of power everthing will be a lot faster. The true fact is PS 3 is more powerful than the average PC on today market, and about a $1000 cheaper. Now that's TRUE.

    """""""""" "it wont cost microsoft anything to put software they own on the x360. its probly running a special vertion of windows CE anyways, or maby even xp embeded.""""""""

    Well this might be true, but I haven't heard any XP on X36O yet. Since there was no OS on the X box. For now, I'll just have to say NO, as in MS don't have plan for any OS on the X360.

    "As for Steve Jobs comments for the Cell, well he just full of himself when he talk too." he is a little bit, but hes been in the industry longer than you have, so ill take his word over yours.

    So it like me saying Kutaragi say PS 3 is a Super Computer because he been in the industry longer than you and seeing now he was part of the design team from Sony. Kutaragi know know about the Cell the Jobs does. Kutaragi help design the Cell.

    Afterall, he master minded the PS 1 and PS 2 and stole the thunder from ninendo when Sony enter the game business. Something Microsoft wasn't able to do to Sony when MS enter the gaming business.

    "Cell it is a great processor. The reason why he's not using cell is because He fear the power Sony have over Apple."
    what utter rubbish.

    It's harder to accept the True than it's NOT. Cell is faster than any processor on the market today. To say it's not a great processor is rubbish.


    """"""i pod and i tunes anyone?""""""

    So what can the Ipod do? NO, REally what can it do?

    Sony have something called the PSP, which sold over 5 millions Units in 6 months, whereas it took the Ipod 3 years to reach 5 millions units.

    It play game, music, movie, internet. See where the PS 3 is going.

    """"""apple are beating sony in that line of media."""""""

    Give the PS3 some time, than we'll see. It took the ipod 3 years when anyone notice it.


    """"""the mini mac is a different kind of system. its small and portable, not designed to be the most powerful computer. """"""""

    portable?????so there's no wires, everything is wireless? I think you need to reexample the Mac Mini again.

    """"they have the same kind of network interface as ps3, wired lan and wifi. streaming is streaming.""""

    Same kind, but not BETTER KIND or faster kind. Streaming is Streaming, and when your computer run out of gas and all the moving pixels slow down would be cool with you. Or when you streaming off or on the Internet and everything is in slow motion. How ridiculous of you to say something like that.

    Streaming is Streaming, than what's the point of increasing our bandwidth than.

    """""""""you cant say ones better that the other, that depends of software as much or maby more than hardware. to say the ps3 does it best is just foolish. and yup you said it, the ps3 is a games console. if i buy a games console, i buy it to play games. i dont care about the adons, there nice but i have a pc that im happy with, as do most peole. sony just seem to be loosing direction and making the jack of all trades station, and if there not carefull its going to be a master of none. """"""""""

    That's business. the PSP is the fine example of the PS 3 isn't. A all in one package.


    lavalant,
    """""it said that the ps2 will have graphics like that of toystory, hahahahaha! """""""""

    PS 2 does have toystory graphic. Here's a few games from PS 2 that have superior graphic than toystory. Final Fantasy 9, X, Metal Gear Solid 2, Jak 3 Killzone and Final Fantasy 12. It's true FF 12 is for the

    after reading your posts and your other half Kengro, it's safe to say that X360 and MS will be making their last appearance in the console wars.

    do you know the differences between going to lose and ARE WINNER?

    To say that Sony is going to lose in the next console wars is something that you wanted, which no one cares. It also show your fear and also reflect the facts that you are afraid if MS is going to lose. And no MS can't affor to LOSE, because if they LOST, It's game over for them. NO MORE Xbox 720.

    As for Winner, well that title is reserved for Sony ONLY. NO MS junkies allow.



    """No... Ps3 is no "supercomputer", till i see it i will rate it as a overhyped piece of junk.""""""""

    kangro, now we all know why no one is buying the Xbox....hahhahahhahahah that's funny man.





  • spillz #65 7 years ago

    "PS 2 does have toystory graphic. Here's a few games from PS 2 that have superior graphic than toystory. Final Fantasy 9, X, Metal Gear Solid 2, Jak 3 Killzone and Final Fantasy 12."

    glasses anyone?

  • Blerk #66 7 years ago

    Final Fantasy 9 is a PSOne game. :-)

  • Kengro #67 7 years ago

    Let's see here
    As for promises sony are the king's. But keeping them is a different stor

    Gt4 was said to have a great ai. Did never happen
    Toy story greaphics on ps2. None of the games mentioned are even close
    Good online play. That's not seen yet

    Microsoft already out of the gaming industry?? What the heck are you smoking??
    Ms is the company that will be hardest to get out of the industry. Sony got no cash whatsoever, but they got debt as hell. Ms have wast amounts of cash, and as theyr proven they can and will get game developers at will...
    Just the way sony did get a hold of this industry..

    As for fanboys i think you Captain-nippon are the worst. But i'm not wasting time or energy on fanboy idiots. Welcome to my ignore list

  • Gareth.de #68 7 years ago

    Well this might be true, but I haven't heard any XP on X36O yet. Since there was no OS on the X box. For now, I'll just have to say NO, as in MS don't have plan for any OS on the X360.

    You seriously need to do some research here. It's all very well bashing some of these fanboys (in fact, bashing fanboys is my favourite past-time!) but you at least need to back it up with fact - not more bullshit.

    Every console has an OS. No matter how simple. Even your fucking iPOD has an OS.

    The Xbox OS was a highly modified version of Windows 2000. It's very different of course, and probably has only a few original lines of code left over, but it did actually start out as Windows 2000.

    The Xbox 360 console is using a highly modified version of the Xbox OS. Again it's very different to its source OS and probably only shares a small percentage of the code, but that's where it came from.

    PS 2 does have toystory graphic. Here's a few games from PS 2 that have superior graphic than toystory. Final Fantasy 9, X, Metal Gear Solid 2, Jak 3 Killzone and Final Fantasy 12. It's true FF 12 is for the

    And what the fuck is this?

    'PS2 does have toystory graphic'? I'd like to see some proof of that please - give me polygon counts, texture resolutions, screen resolutions and frame-rates of these games, and of Toy Story. I'm pretty sure the PS2's efforts would be laughably inferior, and to be honest every fucker here with half a brain will readily admit that because it's just common sense. All you need to come to this conclusion is a pair of eyes and a brain bigger than one of your balls.

    Seems to me like you're a Sony fanboy... which does explain how you made the hilarious comment earlier than MS had no plans for an OS on the 360. Oh how I laughed...

    As for the PS3 - which, being a Sony fanboy will be a topic of great interest to you - I'm afraid that no, despite Sony's best efforts, the PS3 will not be classed as a super computer because it just doesn't have the capability. Here's the definition: A supercomputer is a computer that leads the world in terms of processing capacity, particularly speed of calculation, at the time of its introduction. The term Super Computing was first used by New York World newspaper in 1920 to refer to the large custom built tabulators IBM had made for Columbia University.

    A computer that leads the world in processing capacity? Hmm. Does being at the VERY MOST, the 500,000th most powerful computer in the world grant super computer status? I'm afraid not. You'd better look for another reason to play with that silly little wart you call a cock.
    Edited by 1 at 19/06/05 @ 17:53