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News by Tom Bramwell

1 June, 2005

Some of Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo's highest-ranking executives have spoken out in the pages of a Japanese newspaper just after the Electronic Entertainment Expo, addressing one another's next-generation ambitions in rather scornful terms.

Sony's Ken Kutaragi, who presented PlayStation 3 to the world press in Los Angeles earlier this month, used the piece published by Asahi Shinbun and partially translated by US website GameSpot to belittle Microsoft, claiming that the company was not a threat, and suggesting that their next next-generation machine might be the one to watch - implying that Xbox 360 will fail to make a mark on PlayStation 3.

With regard to sales of Xbox, which briefly eclipsed those of PlayStation 2 in the USA recently, Kutaragi appeared to mock what many perceive to be his company's chief adversary. "Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Shihan [Karate master], and Microsoft is still not a black belt," he said.

However, Microsoft's Chief Xbox Officer Robbie Bach said Sony and Nintendo's presentations "weren't surprising", claiming that the PlayStation 3's capabilities were equivalent to Xbox 360's and declaring: "We will become the market leader with our next-generation console."

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata, meanwhile, cast doubt on the efforts of both Sony and Microsoft, complaining that the concentration on CPU power and high definition visuals would "bloat up development costs".

Once again, Iwata's message was that Nintendo wants to attract non-gamers to the medium by creating games that differ from the current crop, citing Nintendogs as an example of how it's already started to do this. "We're not about selling new kinds of TVs or taking control of the living room," he added on the subject of technology.

Kutaragi and Bach also traded blows on the specifics of their machines, with Bach claiming that PS3's support for seven players on one console, and double HDTV output, was a step too far, and that using Blu-Ray disc media was a big risk.

Kutaragi, meanwhile, said that using Blu-Ray was an attempt to spur on sales of Blu-Ray compatible devices in much the same way he feels that PS2 helped boost the consumer DVD market since 2000.

Microsoft's Xbox 360 console is due to launch worldwide later this year at around $300, while Sony's PlayStation 3 is due next spring and Nintendo is expected to release Revolution at a lower price in mid 2006, with a European release perhaps following later in the year or early in 2007.

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teabagger
01/06/05 @ 12:19
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Seeing grown men behave like they're kids arguing over a bag of sweets makes me disinclined to buy any of their products.
Teeth
01/06/05 @ 12:20
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Well there's nothing really new in there anyway. But I agree, it would be nice to see them get along nicely.
ali-uk
01/06/05 @ 12:22
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Ooo, handbags at dawn!
Blerk
01/06/05 @ 12:23
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"We will become the market leader with our next-generation console."

Heh. In his dreams, maybe.

Anyway, nice to see them all being so 'grown up' about it. :-)
ElephantMonkey
01/06/05 @ 12:30
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amusing
Freek
01/06/05 @ 12:31
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next press release from any one of them:

"Dude! You're so totaly gettting illegal government fudding to subsidise you're failing console, i'm totally telling mom...I mean the WTO!"
captain-future
01/06/05 @ 12:32
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"We're not about selling new kinds of TVs or taking control of the living room,"
hehe, good one.

sony feels very secure and underestimates microsoft. interesting, I think that's not a wise thing to do.

...children playing in the garden...
drumbaby
01/06/05 @ 12:35
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Blimey, they sound like a right bunch of fanboys.
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01/06/05 @ 12:36
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lame.
space ace
01/06/05 @ 12:56
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stupid.
ukdm
01/06/05 @ 12:58
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I think it's Microsoft making the mistake with the XBox 360. They are releasing too early meaning the mass market wont buy straight away, PS3 is coming next year which they are sure to advertise heavily so people will wait and compare the 2. They also seem to be pushing all the wrong features. Games are coming secondary to HDTV, faceplates and online services. I don't want Microsoft to fail but I do hope 360 gives them a massive kick up the backside as to how not to deliver a games machine. I firmly believe they will be in second place again this time round with Revolution potentially taking that spot off them by the end of '07.
Tonka
01/06/05 @ 12:59
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That Kutaragi fella seems a bit biased
octo
01/06/05 @ 13:18
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Arguing over the next gen is pointless. Brothers, sisters come together. Can't we just agree that they're stupid evil idiot fucks?
JHuxley
01/06/05 @ 13:22
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" I just love these types of story, magnets for retarded fanboys.

Oh wait, no, I hate them for encouraging them."

Now look what you've gone and done!
DaM
01/06/05 @ 13:37
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They are the fanboys! I bet they sit up all night posting crap!
NonnyMouse
01/06/05 @ 13:50
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I love this stuff. It's just as good as a videogame. C'mon, goves off!

I can't help feeling that Sony will have to screw up badly for MS
to have any chance of further market share gain - and so far,
there's no sign of that happening.
FredMT
01/06/05 @ 13:55
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Round: 1/2. Blah, blah, blah.
Round:1. Boring...
Does anyone care about these #d@ots?
Nothing new here: moving on...

Was anyone disappointed as me to read that nVidia said their graphic module for the PS3 wasn't finished yet? And what was Sony showing that made people go 'aahhh' if it wasn't a working console?
Ditto for MS and their Xbox 365...
gerg
01/06/05 @ 14:00
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''Was anyone disappointed as me to read that nVidia
said their graphic module for the PS3 wasn't finished yet?
And what was Sony showing that made people go 'aahhh' if it
wasn't a working console?
Ditto for MS and their Xbox
365... ''

Well apparently the Revolution shown was an empty box with a light in it. So, no one's really that ready for the next gen.
Feanor
01/06/05 @ 14:00
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'"We will become the market leader with our
next-generation console."

Heh. In his dreams,
maybe.'

Stranger things have happened in this industry.
The Bodybuilder
01/06/05 @ 14:07
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>"sony feels very
secure and underestimates microsoft. interesting, I think
that's not a wise thing to do."

Nintendo did that (twice), and look where it got them.

I say ken and bill should just duke it out on a pay-per-view MTV show.
Cubfan
01/06/05 @ 14:08
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I thought Sony already won the next gen war? I remember reading it somewhere.
The Bodybuilder
01/06/05 @ 14:10
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Also EG, you should have posted the part where ken talks about the (possible) ps3 high price isn't a "bad thing" and how most customer would rather drive a "BMW with a ferrari engine" (but seems to forget that most people can't afford a BMW, let alone a ferrari).
smelly
01/06/05 @ 14:16
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"but underpowering their Revolution like they have with the Gamecube is a mistake"

The gamecube is underpowered? Couldve fooled me?

Anyhow they havent said anywhere (apart from a misquote in a paper which wrongly stated it'll be 2 or 3 times faster that the cube.. This remark has been stated as being wrong btw) that the revolution would be underpowered.

All they've said is that the other two are concentrating TOO much on cpu power and not other things. That doesnt necesarrily say to me that the revolution will be underpowered, just that they're looking at other things as well as power.

For example, it could be slightly less powerful, but cheaper to make, but the upshot is that joe public wont be able to tell the difference. Look at the number of fanboys who believe the ps2 is technically superior to the cube for an example of this.


"Revolution potentially taking that spot off them by the end of '07"

How the hell you could possibly say this, without knowing the specs of the revolution, or seeing any games running on it, is beyond me.
IronGiant
01/06/05 @ 14:19
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"However, Microsoft's Chief Xbox Officer Robbie Bach said Sony and Nintendo's presentations "weren't surprising", claiming that the PlayStation 3's capabilities were equivalent to Xbox 360's and declaring: "We will become the market leader with our next-generation console."

Hmmm this is interesting to read IMO, bearing in mind that Major Nelson said the XBox360 was more powerful etc. Gotta admire MS's confidence, though i have no doubt Sony will be market leader again.. god knows what excuses Mr Bach will come up with then! ;P

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"(but seems to forget that most people can't afford a
BMW, let alone a ferrari)."

£300-£400 for a Beemer/Ferrari? Bargain!
octo
01/06/05 @ 14:27
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They might become market leader in North America. And that would be an enormous achievement. However I think they will be second pretty much everywhere else. Apart from Japan where they will languish in third place again.
freedumb
01/06/05 @ 14:52
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Its all kicking off now, isn't it? Where's the popcorn, and when's round two starting?
captain-future
01/06/05 @ 14:55
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BMW does something right in their marketing if some chap is comparing their new toy with it. ;-)
The Bodybuilder
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"£300-£400 for a Beemer/Ferrari?
Bargain!"

Yeah, and you would need to buy GT5 (when it comes out in 2009) for that.
The12thMonkey
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Six of one and half a dozen of the other by the sounds of it. I say lets wait for the consles and find out for ourselves, eh?
The Bodybuilder
01/06/05 @ 15:01
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>"I thought Sony already won the next gen war? I remember
reading it somewhere."

What next gen war? From what I've read, the ps3 is the only "real next gen" console. ;)

/jumps behind sofa.
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01/06/05 @ 15:08
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Hmmm
this is interesting to read IMO, bearing in mind that Major
Nelson said the XBox360 was more powerful etc. Gotta admire
MS's confidence, though i have no doubt Sony will be market
leader again.. god knows what excuses Mr Bach will come up
with then! ;P
A worldwide release at the end of the year, at least 3 AAA titles, more money than both Sony and Nintendo put together and Halo 3 in the spring of 2006, I'd say they've got a good chance.
mcmonkeyplc
01/06/05 @ 15:10
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Shit! Run for cover!

/runs

jumpdeveraux
01/06/05 @ 15:11
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"Well apparently the Revolution shown was an empty box with a light in it."

So production hardware then ;)
IronGiant
01/06/05 @ 15:12
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It's not as simple as that.. behind all the bravado MS know damn well they've got a real challenge on their hands to get anywhere near Sony.
mattigan
01/06/05 @ 15:53
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Did Nintendo show ANYTHING claimed to be running on the Revolution at E3?
valli
01/06/05 @ 15:53
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Before I gag on my own vomit, I'm going to say this

Finally, one of them mongtards is gone! \o/
gerg
01/06/05 @ 15:59
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Mattigan:

Yeah, they showed a bit of a Metroid clip. There was meant to be more to it, but they held back as they didn't want people thinking taht Metroid is one of the bigger series.
farakdagler
01/06/05 @ 16:08
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Nope, Nintendo stated that it wasn't in-game which means there's no reason to think that it was running on anything like the revolution.

>Well apparently the Revolution shown was
>an empty box with a light in it. So, no one's really that
>ready for the next gen.
No, no! That's the revolution! It's an empty magic box. :-)
smelly
01/06/05 @ 16:15
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"Yeah, they showed a bit of a Metroid clip."

No they didnt.. That was just a clip to say.. "hey revolution will have metroid on it", it wasnt said to be running on revolution or anything like that, it was just a presentation aid.
gerg
01/06/05 @ 16:19
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My mistake them...
Teeth
01/06/05 @ 16:47
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"#d@ots"

Don't you dare say that word around here!
Vin
01/06/05 @ 16:47
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Yeah, Kutaragi's good at rhetoric.

He's a fucking legend at it.
caligari
01/06/05 @ 17:10
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Yeah, but MY 128K Spectrum is STILL better than your Commodore 64!
smelly
01/06/05 @ 17:18
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"Yeah, but MY 128K Spectrum is STILL better than your Commodore 64!"

HAHA! Yeah.. but back then it was about games, and so the speccy ruled, mainly due to better framerates!

Now the fanboys just care about how pretty their pixels are.. they'd all be comodore 64 fans..


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"...underpowering their Revolution like they have
with the Gamecube is a mistake. The N64 Mario Kart to
Gamecube Mario Kart is too small an improvement (if there
was any)."

Woah woah woah! Hold the phone! Back up just a minute!...Mario Kart on the Gamecube is a HUGE improvement over the N64! Perhaps you should take off those rose tinted glasses and play the N64 original again - I did, and it was rubbish. As far as Gamecube being underpowered: EH!? Surely its at least the second most powerful out there at present?

...and while I'm at it: Come on Nintendo! Get with the programme! Sony and Microsoft are making home entertainment units because its the FUTURE! How many people were pissed off that their GC didnt play DVD's? Yet Nintendo, you said people wouldnt want that and you were wrong... if it wasnt for the fact that I love your games I'd say you were a bunch of chumps... If its going to be a revolution to beat Sony and Microsoft, it better be a fucking big French sized revolution... you dicks... and I wish this post would make a difference...
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a8a
01/06/05 @ 17:47
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To be honest, Im surprised Nintendo unveiled Revolution at E3 at all. Im no marketing expert, but I would have thought that their best bet, when releasing something that was obviously a little different and offbeat from the mainstream consoles, would be to let MS and Sony duke it out at E3 with a fairly low-brow showing (not that it was exactly off the scale in that respect anyway ^^;) and then announce it later in the year when things had calmed down a bit with the inevitable spec wars, maybe at the TGS in September.
a8a
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Sony and Microsoft are making home entertainment units because its the FUTURE!

Yes, perhaps - but you have to recall that Nintendo started out as a toy company. When games consoles were toys, they made the best damn games consoles out there. Now games consoles are home entertainment units, but Nintendo is still making toys. And damn good ones too. And theyre also making lots of money, so its hard to fault them on it really.
spazmo
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^^Agreed^^

Also, there is going to be 2 "home entertainment systems" on the market soon. Why do you want a third?
Ace_McCloud
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A fair point... in which case comparing the systems at all is made fairly redundant isn't it? But then why include DVD playback at all? surely that's the first step to home entertainment-dom, or whatever... I respect Nintendo's background, but come on, this market is evolving and reluctantly or not I'm betting Nintendo will move the way Sony and Microsoft have eventually... But still, like you say, they're making money and who can fault them - its just I like Nintendo and I want a big jazzy machine like the other two have got made by Nintendo...

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