David Braben slams PS3 hackers

By Robert Purchese Published 25 February, 2011

"Right now it is Sony that is hurting."

PS3 hackers who cling to misguided 'I own the console so I can do what I like' arguments are hurting game developers and buyers and publishers - the lot.

That's the opinion of David Braben, creator of Elite and founder of Frontier Developments (LostWinds, Kinectimals).

"It really annoys me when hackers claim they can do what they like with what they find, especially when it is destructive to the security of all the other PS3 machines," declared Braben on Develop.

"These people are damaging to everyone with a PS3, not just to the games dev community, because of future security measures that will be needed. But there seems to be a blind-spot among some players perhaps because they imagine it will mean free stuff in the future."

Working out how to hack PS3 is like working out how to break into a car, Braben analysed. If you shout about it to everybody, who benefits - punters or crooks?

"There have been suggestions that releasing hacking information is an issue of freedom of speech," wrote Braben. "That is such rubbish."

"It is all about what is reasonable," he added. "Hacking into a machine as an academic exercise is one thing. Broadcasting the information is another.

"We should all be prepared to roundly condemn such people. Right now it is Sony that is hurting. Tomorrow it will affect all of us in the development community, so we should stand against it together, now."

Braben's tirade concerns Sony's on-going war against PS3 Jailbreak and figurehead George "Geohot" Hotz. Sony upped the ante recently by threatening to bar anyone caught using "unauthorised or pirated software" from PlayStation Network or Qriocity.

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  • NewbieZilla #1 1 year ago

    Does he talk about their games any more? Or just mouth off about whatever his flavour of the week is?

  • JBlokeUK #2 1 year ago

    I agree with him. Ultimately it's the developers I feel sorry for.

  • Schiraman #3 1 year ago

    So... we're back to the "you wouldn't steal a car" argument, are we?

    You know what? Unlocking a piece of home electronics so you can install whatever you want on it is not at all like breaking into a car. Unless he means discussing PS3 hacks is like telling people how to break into their own cars? Bit of a strange simile, all in all.

    As for the idea that PS3 security being broken is some kind of mega-disaster for developers and gamers alike - how is it that every other platform, all of which had their security broken long ago, seems to be doing fine despite this?

  • jablonski #4 1 year ago

    Oh Braben, do shut up.

    Whether I agree with you or not, just stop mouthing off.

  • Agent_Orange #5 1 year ago

    "Working out how to hack PS3 is like working out how to break into a car, Braben analysed. If you shout about it to everybody, who benefits - punters or crooks?"

    It's nothing like advertising how to break into a car. No one is going to hear about a method to hack a console and come round my house and hack my console for me without asking. Someone might hear how to break into my car and steal it though.

  • menage #6 1 year ago

    Don't know. Was a bitch move of Sony to remove linux and such, other way around I don't think geohot (and others) is/are just in it for being a 'freedom fighter". Just some dude who wants to be famous, otherwise he wouldn't be doing an eminem all over the internets.



  • jstar #7 1 year ago

    The only thing I want to hear from Braben's mouth is Elite 3's release date.

  • beastmaster #8 1 year ago

    With The Outsider bring cancelled, I suppose he's got to drum up some kind of publicity for something.

    Doesn't stop him being right in this case.

  • afray #9 1 year ago

    Do I like hackers and pirated games? No. Do I believe that a) people have a right to do with their own property as they wish, and b) asking someone to keep quiet about hacks is a stupid security policy? Yes. Unfortunately piracy is a consequences of this, just as the BNP are a consequence of free speech and democracy, but that doens't mean points a & b are invalid.

  • toy_brain #10 1 year ago

    If nothing else, these discussions have given me a deep aversion to using analogies ever again, because they always cheapen the argument and provide an easy attack-point for people who disagree with you.

  • Stompy #11 1 year ago

    Post deleted at 23:13:35 17-04-2012

  • wowami #12 1 year ago

    less talking and more Elite 4 please

  • Zephro #13 1 year ago

    "people have a right to do with their own property"

    Pity that software running on said property isn't also your property then isn't it?

  • MaliceMajorE15 #14 1 year ago

    "Working out how to hack PS3 is like working out how to break into a car, Braben analysed. If you shout about it to everybody, who benefits - punters or crooks?"

    That is the single greatest quote to come out of this whole argument

  • DirectAim #15 1 year ago

    Does it hurt the guy who is skint and has rent and two kids to feed? Does it hurt when he can't buy new games because they are £40 and he has shit to buy for his baby? Does it fuck, I'll be hacking my PS3 and leeching as many games as I can, I will also sell copied games to as many people as I can thus improving my life and making money which I can use to buy 360 games,

    On a more serious note, I have a hacked 360 and I still buy games that are worth it, hacking doesn't destroy markets, it builds e

  • customfirmware #16 1 year ago

    Keep the hacking in the spotlight boys, were just gonna keep these story coming until everyone knows that the ps3 can be hacked. (shakes head at EG).

    /sarcasm.

  • Shikasama #17 1 year ago

    If you can call what Geohot did 'enabling piracy' then making guns is 'enabling murder'.

    It's not hackers who pirate, pirates do.

    LISTEN TO GOLDIE LOOKIN CHAIN DAMMIT.

    As a sidenote, I do download some games (mostly as dry runs to see if they'll run on my PC). I also spend an average of roughly 300 quid a month on games across two consoles. Anyone telling me I am killing the industry can fuck off frankly.

  • Moonprince #18 1 year ago

    @directaim: If you have a kid, I pity what it will grow into given the guidance you'll give it.

    Do it a favour; have it adopted.
    Edited by Moonprince at 25/02/11 @ 10:23

  • MoGamer2006 #19 1 year ago

    David Braben has a regular column in Develop, in which he writes about many industry topics - he's not just "mouthing off".

    Incidentally, the issue of Develop this column appeared in was released nearly 2 weeks ago - good to see EG right on top of the news as it breaks. :o

  • davisorle #20 1 year ago

    Post deleted at 15:13:14 09-05-2012

  • menage #21 1 year ago

    So being poor is reason for stealing?

    Maybe if you're starving but it sure as hell doenn't count for Killzone 3. Get a real job.



  • drumbaby #22 1 year ago

    "No one is going to hear about a method to hack a console and come round my house and hack my console for me without asking."

    Someone might (because of hacking) cheat when playing against you, or gain access to info you don't want them to, or ban your account when you don't want them too, or force software/ hardware companies to react in a way that doesn't make life easy...or any manner of things they previously couldn't have done before.

    Someone should come up with an analogy that covers all of that, and then teach people how to use it ;)

  • arcam #23 1 year ago

    But there seems to be a blind-spot among some players perhaps because they imagine it will mean free stuff in the future."

    This is why people get annoyed with the anti-hacking stance and flame-wars erupt, even when the anti-hacking POV is reasonable.

    He is implying that anyone that doesn't support his view is only interested in piracy (i.e condemn hackers or you are a criminal too). No matter how you feel, it should be obvious this isn't the case.

    I do not even own a PlayStation 3, so I have no interest whatsoever in 'free stuff'. But I still agree with the right to run the code you choose on a machine you own.

  • gandhimaster #24 1 year ago

    the reason people have kicked off more at the PS3 hackers than 360 ones etc is thus: - all the PS3 hackers cried foul at Sony for removing OtherOS so they hacked to get it back. BULLSHIT. Sony removed OtherOS cos Geohot told the world he used it to backdoor into the PS3 so Sony had to close the hole.

    at least all the other hackers didnt come up with some crap to justify what they did. when geohot created the iphone jailbreak people were happy and praised him mainly, he just told people what he'd done rather than lie about the reasons.

  • makememoo #25 1 year ago

    Lets run the car analogy.

    Someone locks their keys in their own car and finds a way to pop the door to get the keys. They then tell someone else how to do it, and then get arrested for being a car thief.

    That sounds logical to me right?

  • Collymilad #26 1 year ago

    Seriously these people need to stop using these ridiculous comparisons.

    Like breaking into a car is it? Well if you break into your own car what's the problem with that, dickhead?

  • HL706 #27 1 year ago

    "Hacking into a machine as an academic exercise is one thing. Broadcasting the information is another. "

    Spot. On.

    I don't condemn what Geohot did, but did he really need to broadcast to the world; "Hey, I can run unauthorised code on a PS3!"

    I don't think so.

  • Murton #28 1 year ago

    "Pity that software running on said property isn't also your property then isn't it?"

    Holy shit, would you look at that? That my friends is someone who understands. /sarcasm

    The hardware, that's the box and all it contains, if the property of the owner. He can do what he likes with that and that right is protected under various trade laws. By all means if you want to modify the console that you own go for it, but bear this in mind:

    The software, the GameOS, that's property of Sony Computer Entertainment and all PS3 users have to click a button to electronically "sign" the End User License Agreement which clearly states that features may be added/removed without notice and that any attempts to modify or circumvent the software is strictly prohibited and Sony have the right to take reasonable action against anyone who violates the EULA including barring/withholding services and legal action.

    Let's leave the dumb analogies and comparisons to grand theft auto behind and look at hacking the PS3 for what it is. A violation of corporate property, nothing more, nothing less. And while GeoHotz' hack may not have directly enabled piracy, it is the important first step and he went public with his work, showed people how to get started and encouraged them to continue, what the hell did he think was going to happen? If/when piracy does become commonplace on the PS3 it will likely be based on his work, however you slice it he is at least partly responsible and should man up and face the consequences for his actions.

  • Darren #29 1 year ago

    Surely David Braben's argument applies equally to the Xbox 360 and Wii, neither of which are strangers to games piracy? What about the people that hack those and allow illegal games to be played on them?

    I find it strange that he has singled out a platform which until recently was the most pirate-free for games of the three current console platforms, a staggering achievement when you consider that it took mere months to crack the Wii and Xbox 360 (something that must have hurt Microsoft given how closed the Xbox 360's system is). Although I certainly do not condone what the hackers have done, they have exposed a security weakness that, from what I've been reading, is entirely their own doing. Perhaps this whole sorry episode will teach Sony to be more careful in future?

  • KrazyFace #30 1 year ago

    Damnit Murton you beat me to it! Well said.

  • Gaddafi #31 1 year ago

    Sure, the analogy is way off, but still.. overall, I agree with him.

  • NorUraeus #32 1 year ago

    What it comes down for me is that, yes I do want to be able to run anything I want on my hardware in principle, but I didn't buy my PS3 with that as the primary purpose. The primary purpose I, and I assume most people are in the same boat, bought a PS3 was a gaming system (and blu-ray player). The problem is that the cracking that allows me to install anything on my PS3 is also enabling people to pirate games, which might negatively affect if developers bother to target the platform (ref. PSP) or more commonly people using the hacks to cheat in online games, reducing my enjoyment of playing online. So since I bought the PS3 to play games, the damage the hacks does to my ability to enjoy playing those games far outweights the value of me being able to install nethack on my PS3.

    So please if people can stop adoring the hackers, while one can argue what they do shouldn't be illegal, it for sure it not making anything better.

  • arcam #33 1 year ago

    What is the difference between this and students publishing the chip and PIN hack online, or releasing details of the Oyster card hack?

    Anderson and his colleagues discovered the loophole in chip-and-pin security in October 2009 and told the banks about the flaw later that year. They revealed the loophole publicly on the BBC's Newsnight programme in February 2010.

    "It is outrageous that the banking industry should try to censor a student's thesis even though it was lawful and already in the public domain," Anderson told the Guardian.

    "It was particularly surprising for its chair, Melanie Johnson, to make this request; as a former MP she must be aware of the Human Rights Act, and as a former Cambridge graduate student she should have a better understanding of this university's culture.

    "Her intervention was completely counterproductive for the banks who employ her: Omar's thesis will now be read by thousands of people who would otherwise not have heard of it," he said.
    Edited by arcam at 25/02/11 @ 11:11

  • redneon Verified Programmer, SUMO Digital #34 1 year ago

    @jstar:

    I can confirm that Elite 3's release date is.....

    April 16th 1995

  • Zephro #35 1 year ago

    ""Pity that software running on said property isn't also your property then isn't it?"

    Holy shit, would you look at that? That my friends is someone who understands. /sarcasm "

    Buh? You just repeated what I said but in more words...

  • chasejamie #36 1 year ago

    Is Geohot a fire based pokemon?

  • coldzero #37 1 year ago

    There are plenty of 'hackers' who prob networks/websites/software for fun to find security holes and flaws, they then tell the provider about the problems so they can be fixed for the greater good. If the advice is ignored by the corporation and its a serious enough issue then they announce it through the proper media channels to highlight it without giving specific details so the problem gets fixed. Then there are people like Geohot who found the flawed security keys and decided to release them to the interweb, why....EGO. Pure Black hat douche-bag IMO.

  • fleeboy #38 1 year ago

    @DirectAim - People like you genuinely make me sick. Tell you what, you run around after your kids all morning, go to work, work really hard, do overtime for peanuts, then come home make the kids food, read them stories put them to bed then when your sat down minding your own business I'll reach in your pocket and lift your days wages how’s that?

    Does it hurt the guy that has a job? Does it hurt the guy that runs around all day? Does it fuck (except when it’s YOU)! I could pirate games too I'm just not ignorant enough to ignore someone else's hard work. Go fetch your dole money you sponging scum.

  • davisorle #39 1 year ago

    Post deleted at 15:13:14 09-05-2012

  • arcam #40 1 year ago

    @coldzero: "then they announce it through the proper media channels to highlight it without giving specific details so the problem gets fixed."

    Not sure if that was in response to my post, but that doesn't apply in either of my examples:

    "It is the publication of this level of detail which we believe breaches the boundary of responsible disclosure. Essentially, it places in the public domain a blueprint for building a device which purports to exploit a loophole in the security of chip and PIN," the letter states.

    -----------
    A spokesman for NXP, which was formerly a division of Philips, the electronics manufacturer, said: "We don't mind them publishing the effects of what they have discovered to inform society. I think this is absolutely fine. But disclosing things in detail including the algorithm ... is not going to benefit society, it will create damage to society."
    Edited by arcam at 25/02/11 @ 11:32

  • GamesConnoisseur #41 1 year ago

    PUT the same people who defends the right of hacking and even piracy as a head of developer doing big business locally, I bet you every pound I owe, they wilk change tunes completely.., that is they they seriously don't want to see their staff being downsized or off sourcing the business.

    Hacking and piracy are different things but they are entwined, as piracy can't work with all the piracy proof around but only once they have been hacked apart, then the piracy can thrives.

    People drumming on about X360 piracy existing but does no harm, it's more about the ease of piracy and the extent of it, X360 piracy can be done but such a bother and MS's banhammer make it challenging.

    I would happily get two of my PS3 get hacked and downloads all the pirated games if I believe that it's actually harmless and only a question of smaller profits for the greedy and evil publishers like Acti... But that is fortunately not my naive world view.

    Grow up, if you decide to pirates games, please at least be mature and fully own up to yourselves if not others about the responsibilities and on how it's not a positive contribution to the industry and our beloved hobby.

  • Serai #42 1 year ago

    "The software, the GameOS, that's property of Sony Computer Entertainment and all PS3 users have to click a button to electronically "sign" the End User License Agreement which clearly states that features may be added/removed without notice"

    Are your consumer laws as shit as they are in the states? If not then EULAs can say you have to give away your first born, it still wont make it legal. Tad happy i live in Norway, where the removal of the Linux feature will most likely grant buyers a refund (case pending).

  • obidanshinobi #43 1 year ago

    Gamers slam David Braben for not making a new Elite game and for turning The Outsider (which sounded promising) into vaporware.
    Get back to making good games and shut that dick holster you call a mouth Braben !!!

  • Zephro #44 1 year ago

    "Without HV, Linux and FreeBSD kernel hacking my life is meaningless"

    Sounds like a dull kinda life. That's coming from a programmer.

  • berryl227 #45 1 year ago

    "But I still agree with the right to run the code you choose on a machine you own."

    I'm not sure on this but when you buy a product dont you agree to it's terms and conditions of use? E.g in the ps3 case you won't hack it and run custom code otherwise that terminates the conditions of use of in which it was sold?

    Therefore you are actually breaking the terms on which the sale was based. Glad this is going through the courts leave them to sort it out

  • Widge #46 1 year ago

    This entire right to run code on a machine you own thing has smacks of the entire “I have a right to own a gun and protect myself” mentality in the US.

  • space_ace #47 1 year ago

    excuse me, is this the same poor industry that makes $1b off its best-sellers?

  • Zephro #48 1 year ago

    "But I still agree with the right to run the code you choose on a machine you own."

    I think that's fine, as long as it's code you legally are allowed to.

    So you can't modify the OS but you should be able to run your own OS. That you made from scratch including all the device drivers. You just can't use Sony's software...

  • modo_komodo #49 1 year ago

    Because of these hackers, Sony released a firmware update that meant I could not upgrade my HDD - AFTER I had already bought the drive and an external disk to back up game saves to.

    /super sad panda

  • el_pollo_diablo #50 1 year ago

    I think Braben is right. And I also think he does have a right to mouth off, given that it's his livelihood.

    Sorry, I know that's not the trendy answer to give.

  • arcam #51 1 year ago

    Therefore you are actually breaking the terms on which the sale was based

    That much is true. The question is whether those terms are valid in the first place, and what Sony can reasonably do if you break them.

    Remember when you buy a console game, you also agree to terms and conditions that say it cannot be sold on to anyone. This obviously doesn't hold much traction in the real world.

  • DannyXanny #52 1 year ago

    @chasejamie

    I almost choked on my brew :p

  • vizzini #53 1 year ago

    Since the PS3 hack was published what has actually happened?

    PS3 game prices increased above the 2.5% VAT increase in the UK? (Yes, look at Killzone 3's online price)

    PSP/PS3 firmware that doesn't add new features (eg a better web browser for both for reading EG), but just security patches? (Yes)

    So Braben's comments are on the money in my book; PS3 hacking has cost me the price of a new 250gb slim when OtherOS was removed(which is inferior to my 60GB original by features & appearance ), and now the couple of things I'd like Sony to improve in thier consoles are looking more distant. Divert more of their efforts to security rather than features to improve the PSP/PS3 is the big cost to all of us.

  • Smoped #54 1 year ago

    *Ahem!* " David Braben, co-creator of Elite and founder of Frontier Developments who really hasn't made anything great since he stopped working with Ian Bell."

  • BuddyChrist #55 1 year ago

    It's the hackers fault dlc is so damn expensive... before the hackers did anything....
    "Sony is shit. Crime is to blame." there you go, makes more sense now

  • bslsimes #56 1 year ago

    Not too surprising, remember that Braben is firmly opposed to you being able to sell on something that you've paid for.

  • Jolly_Armadillo #57 1 year ago

    I agree with David too

  • lasersrule #58 1 year ago

    The only people at fault are the security team at Sony and whoever approved the security implementation as fine for manufacure - and this is where the blame should lie for pubs and devs. If the machine's security hadn't been so poorly implemented, the hack wouldn't have happened, whatever the situation with Other OS's removal. It's likely Other OS was removed because Sony already knew how fucked the security was and were hoping no-one would find out.

    Consumers are basically raging at hackers for discovering how vulnerable the machine is and then telling everyone, instead of keeping it secret. For all we know, darker hackers could have compromised credit card details or developed a bricking utility they could deliver to any PS3 that's online, format the machine's HDD, make PSN purchases without user consent and so on.

    This is why the only reasonable way forward when a machine is cracked open is to make the entire info public - it shifts the emphasis onto the manufacturer to be held accountable for what is, ultimately, negligence on the manufacturer's part. It's only when information like this is made public that anyone can objectively assess risk, as was the case with the chip and pin hack.

    The car analogy is only correct if the car manufacturer sold a car it claimed was secure, but had locks you could open with a paperclip once you knew how to jiggle it. Who's at fault in that case? The paperclip jiggler or the lying/deluded manufacturer?

  • arcam #59 1 year ago

    The really stupid thing about the car and house analogies is that there are tonnes of books, articles and videos explaining how to break into a car or pick the lock of a front door, and none of these are illegal.

    *edit: I'm trying to add sources in the spirit of keeping this debate logical rather than emotional:

    Lock picking: [link url=http://uk.lifehacker.com/#!5672326/learn-to-pick-locks-for-fun-and-an-increased-understanding-of-security
    ]http://uk.lifehacker.com/#!5672326/learn...[/link]
    Breaking into a car: [link url=http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-break-into-a-car-without-the-alarm-going-of/
    ]http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-b...[/link]
    Edited by arcam at 25/02/11 @ 13:05

  • dingo75 #60 1 year ago

    Next "Elite" or stfu up Davy.

    I buy a console and not a subscription service when I go to a shop and buy a PS3.
    I can do with that thing whatever pleases me as it's mine.
    Otherwise provide me the option of a rental with the possibility to return the console once the next gen comes out.

  • arcam #61 1 year ago

    what a bunch of cock jockeys some of these people are, do they think they are Neo stuck in the matrix for fucks sake? they could really do with turning there energies towards their own lifes

    OK, eventually I'm going to have to resist the urge to correct so many ignorant posts on here, but I couldn't let this one slide.

    *George Hotz has won multiple awards and prizes at various International Engineering and Science Fairs, and had interviews with the Today Show and Larry King because of it
    *He's been named a Top 10 Overachiever under 21 by PC World magazine
    *He's travelled to Sweden to talk to schools about science and engineering
    *He produced a 3D imaging invention that earned him a $20,000 scholarship from Intel
    *He's an alumnus at the Johns Hopkins Center for Talented Youth

    Agree or disagree with his morals or personality, that's fine, but telling him to 'get a life' when he has achieved more under the age of 21 than probably anyone on this comments thread, and when you can barely string a sentence together, is hypocritical and misinformed.

  • Bonders99 #62 1 year ago

    There are a lot of car analogies, let me chime in with mine. OK, let's say:

    You buy a Ford Mondeo Diesel (PS3 in this case) - shelling out good money.

    You normally buy Diesel at the filling station (Legal Software from the retailer of your choice) - because that is what you need for the primary purpose of your purchase.

    Now you decide to tinker with the engine (Hack it) so it can run on Red Diesel (cheap pirate software bought from a car boot sale or Dodgy Dave down the pub)

    This is illegal as the revenue is compromised (iresspective of whether you agree or not) for HM Govt (Sony in this case)

    So when caught you feel the wrath of HM cosntabulary and co (Sony's Banhammer)

    Can people still whinge it's wrong for Sony to protect their investment ?

    Just my tuppence worth fellas.
    Edited by Bonders99 at 25/02/11 @ 13:44

  • MaxiSleep #63 1 year ago

    David used to be cool.

  • MoGamer2006 #64 1 year ago

    There's nothing wrong with Braben's analogy - he's only using it to illustrate a point. Unfortunately, no analogy is perfect, so of course internet pedants can wilfully ignore any of the points he's making and make genius posts along the lines of "PS3s don't have windscreen wipers so your analogy sucks, Braben."

    BTW, it annoys me with all these twats saying you can do whatever you like with something you buy. That's not true in many cases. To labour the original car analogy, you can't just rip it apart and stick spikes on it or whatever, it has to be roadworthy and safe for the driver and other road users. I see the PS3 thing as similar - hacking and modding machines can lead to problems for other users - for an example, look at how hacking has ruined COD4 online.

  • arcam #65 1 year ago

    I tried. We're back to sticking spikes on cars. I think I'll leave this thread be now.

    Thanks to anyone who read my posts with an open mind :)

  • Rack #66 1 year ago

    It's more like learning how to disable the product sabotage that makes it break down every 20,000 miles and stops it from flying.

  • GreatBlackthorn #67 1 year ago

    If you can't afford to buy something, then that means you haven't worked enough or saved enough to have any right to buy it, not that you have a right to fucking steal it. That's the whole basis of our economy. Hackers who promote the 'freedom' argument and fools who buy into it are simply exploiting the fact this new digital age of ownership muddies the waters. It is still stealing no matter how anyone attempts to justify it and anyone proud of doing so should take a moment to think of long term effects of their actions. No matter how much people bitch about DRM, it is piracy that has weakened the legitimacy of the PC market, and should it become as large scale on consoles then the same will happen too. I dread The Witcher 2's launch because of how many deluded, lazy destructive thieves will shit all over CD Projects hard work by stealing the software and then act as it was their RIGHT to do so because they own the hardware.

    Only cloud technology has a chance of beating the pirate problem and it cannot come soon enough.

  • MoGamer2006 #68 1 year ago

    Poor Arcam. He's trying to educate us and we're just to dumb to get it.

    I tried too - but thanks for doing exactly what I was complaining about, i.e. focusing on something irrelevant (in this case, a clearly outrageous off-hand comment about putting spikes on cars) to dismiss or ignore the point being made.

  • man.the.king #69 1 year ago

    What many of the pro-hacker (and yes, there are some Sony-haters and 360 fanboys in this group as well, indignant just because it is Sony) posters on here forget is:

    If you have paid for something, you can do whatever you like with it.

    However, that DOES NOT mean: "If you have paid for something, you can do whatever you like".
    Edited by man.the.king at 25/02/11 @ 15:03

  • SvennoJ #70 1 year ago

    Arcam So why is he wasting his time with trying to get Linux to run on a ps3 slim. It doesn't seem he's hurting too much for cash that he can't shell out $2000 for a ps3 development kit and make something cool and groundbreaking?
    Edited by SvennoJ at 25/02/11 @ 15:02

  • DoctorFraud #71 1 year ago

    Hotz is a nice and generous man. He gives me free games. I fucken love him ^_^

  • arcam #72 1 year ago

    I've answered any posts directed at me by PM (except "he needs to get laid"-type posts) - I've already posted too many times in this thread and I was starting to get snooty ;)

    Not ignoring the issues, just assuming that some of you are getting sick of me in this thread. I don't blame you, I have a tendency to get a bit righteous but I stick by all my comments :)

  • chessboxer #73 1 year ago

    @dingo75

    Then by the same logic, you shouldn't have a problem with people who are modifying game data for titles such as MW2 as these people have purchased their games, so they can also do what they want with the content right?

  • zedzee #74 1 year ago

    I'll have to agree with "Murton". You own the hardware, Sony owns the copyright to their software that's on it (or comes as a game or from a third party).

    You can mod your own machine to your heart's content but you should NOT disclose that you did so - certainly not in a public Hacker's Fest and show off about it.

    If you're cheesed off about Sony removing the "Other OS" option, then simply sell your console and boycott the machine altogether. Having agreed to the license at the start and then moaning about it won't get you anywhere, I'm afraid.

    When Sony delayed the PS3 in Europe, decided not to offer proper BC and put an extortionate price tag on the console, I simply went back to the GAME shop and got my deposit back and boycotted the PS3 altogether.

    I love my PS2 and PSP - they keep me happy enough. I accept this is not the same for everyone else/not possible but hey, you still have a choice of consoles and choosing another one is the best way to hit back at Sony.

    If everyone had done that rather than moan, bitch and give car analogies, they'd have put "Other OS" back (and maybe even BC back) before you could say "how much for the launch price?!!!"

    Over & Out.
    Edited by zedzee at 25/02/11 @ 17:15

  • waynenot #75 1 year ago

    He's right.

  • IMD1_Pk #76 1 year ago

    Ironic considering until last early fall hackers weren't pirating games. If Sony implements support for OtherOS again you can bet all the high level hackers won't be bothering with helping support pirates anymore.

  • arcam #77 1 year ago

    if some these sad bastard hackers went outside,got some sun on their face,drank some beer,and maybe had some lovin from a good women

    Didn't help much for Julian Assange!

    OK I'm done ;)

  • betrayerofhope #78 1 year ago

    sony gave these hackers everything they wanted and still they proceeded to hack it.

    when geohot hacked the ps3 hypervisor through linux, did anyone expected sony to keep quiet and shut up?


    geohot and his punk ass hackers have no rights taking about other OS since geohot's own actions led to other OS being taken away.

  • DoctorFraud #79 1 year ago

    No need to fuck about inside the ps3, just download and play. Good times!

    For us, not $ony.

  • Kaminari #80 1 year ago

    Elite 3 was released eons ago -- it's called Frontier 2, it's choke-full of bugs and it's not because of the security flaws of the PS3.

  • Phishfood #81 1 year ago

    I'm sure the hackers feel totally guilty now after reading this rant

    /sarcasm

  • skoypidia #82 1 year ago

    Time to buy a PS3 then.

  • IxianD #83 1 year ago

    I cant take Mr Braben seriously as a developer anymore, only seen shovelware coming from his studios of late. Sir, return to what made you famous, Elite.