UK PS3 Starter Pack limited

By Games Industry.biz Published 7 August, 2007

Summer promotion only.

After denying the PS3 Starter Pack is a limited offer in Europe, new evidence from Sony UK has shown that the GBP 425 deal is likely to end at the end of the summer, GamesIndustry.biz is reporting.

Yesterday it emerged that Sony Australia would only be offering the deal - which includes the console, extra Sixaxis controller and choice of two first-party games - until the end of the month. Sony told GamesIndustry.biz that the offer is ongoing in the European regions.

However, emails being sent from Sony to consumers dissatisfied that they purchased the GBP 425 console before the Starter Pack was announced - and therefore missed out on free games and peripherals - have stated that the current deal is a summer promotion only.

"I was sorry to hear that you are dissatisfied with regards to the launch of the PlayStation 3 Starter Pack. I would like to take this opportunity to stress that this is a summer promotion and that due to the nature of this offer it will end on a predetermined date," said the email from SCEE.

But despite acknowledging that these emails were being sent out from Sony, a representative for the company again reiterated to GamesIndustry that the current Starter Pack offering "will continue for the foreseeable future".

While the messages form Sony may be mixed at the current time, it's expected that the company will be making further announcements regarding the future of the console and its price at this month's Game Convention in Leipzig.

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  • tobi #1 5 years ago

    PES 2008 bundle is garanteed!!!

  • drunkymonkey #2 5 years ago

    :/

    The PR coming from Sony gets worse and worse.

  • RexRunti #3 5 years ago

    So a real price cut at Liepzig? Just to give MS and Sony some incentive I'll buy the first console to go under £300 the Elite or PS3.

  • playgen #4 5 years ago

    whenever someone in the games industry says "not in the foreseeable future", that could means whatever it is could happen in weeks, days or even minutes.
    I think its safe to say the promotion is going to last as long as their stockpile of 60gig hard drives.

  • Steroyd #5 5 years ago

    A Real Price cut in October mark my words.

    MARK THEM!!

  • Darren #6 5 years ago

    Well unless Sony are really, really, really stupid, they'll announce a hardware pricecut to coincide with the end of this "summer" promotion. It would be extremely foolish of them not to and the recent US price drop has shown that people DO want the PS3 but they're not prepared to pay through the roof for it that's all.

    The PS3 needs to be £299 or less for it to start selling in significant numbers. It's a real shame Sony in their stupidity decided to drop the cheaper 20 GB HDD model because I'm sure that would have been very popular in Europe if it had been reasonably priced, say, £249.

  • ostrasized #7 5 years ago

    Wow. Sony just lie and lie and lie some more.

    Do they seriously expect people to keep on believing them any more?

    Come on EG or GI - why not bite the hand that feeds you? Next time you've got a big-up interview with a Sony honcho, why not present them with a list of the utterly contradictory statements made by their press departments?

  • captainrentboy #8 5 years ago

    Bloody hell Darren, you're hoping aint you? Why would the 20gig model have been almost £200 less than the 60gig, that's a crazy pricing structure.
    Maybe Sony should have been loving and kind to its customers, like MS were back in the day of the original Xbox price drop, 2 free first party games and an extra controller, thank you very much :)

  • Psychotext #9 5 years ago

    PS3... great console.
    Sony... fucking idiots.

  • JayeM #10 5 years ago

    £300 with a copy of PES 2008...

  • Steroyd #11 5 years ago

    I don't know if a PES bundle will work, it didn't help Microsoft last year.

  • Santino #12 5 years ago

    i agree with you rentboy, after paying full price for one (needed to play VF5) when i heard of this starter pack i felt like i had just been fucked in the ass.

  • richardiox #13 5 years ago

    LOL! You couldn't make a comedy of errors like this up. Amazing.

  • Zomoniac #14 5 years ago

    For anyone who doesn't know, Virgin are throwing in a third game for the £425 and will give you a 10% discount with a student card. I'm not a student, but I nabbed a mate's card and got PS3 with a second official pad, Motorstorm, Resistance and Ridge 7 for £382.50.

  • Darren #15 5 years ago

    @captainrentboy - I was meaning the 60 GB HDD PS3 needs to be £299 and the 20GB HDD model needs to £249 or less for it to achieve mass market sales in Europe that's all and stop people griping it's too expensive. I'm sure if Sony had launched the 20 GB HDD model in Europe in March it would have cost over £349.

  • jellyhead #16 5 years ago

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
    Sony PR should get some Comedy awards this year or there's no justice in the world.

    This is living, eh? :)

  • captainrentboy #17 5 years ago

    £325-350 bundled with Heavenly Sword I'm sure would go down a treat at Chrimbo, but nothing from Sony's past, with regards to console price drops, says to me that they'll dop its price by so much so soon.
    But then again, it's never looked quite so dire for one of Sony's consoles as it does now. I think they'll be pretty much forced into a whopping price cut by this Christmas.
    Edit- Ahh sorry Darren, I clearly mis-understood you.
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 12:10

  • Darren #18 5 years ago

    It is odd though that one of the biggest complaints about the PS3, apart from its lack of games, is its high price point yet Sony have discontinued the cheaper 20 GB HDD model in the US and Japan because they claimed it wasn't popular! I mean does that make sense to you because it sure as hell doesn't to me! LOL

  • flapps #19 5 years ago

    Haha, these mixed messages from Sony are pretty funny, but I do wonder at people who write to Sony complaining about buying the PS3 before the bundle and missing out on the free games. I mean, what do people do when a new Ipod comes out and they've upped the storage capacity and added video functionality? Or when a new digital camera model comes out just like the one they bought but with 10 megapixel instead? Sure, it's annoying, but you just accept that things change and offers get better, don't you?
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 12:12

  • Eighthours #20 5 years ago

    I love Sony PR. :)

  • ProtoformX #21 5 years ago

    The problem is that whilst Sony's PR does seem to be something unholy they don't really need to change it. Whilst gamers will read the PR and wonder how Sony still manages to keep going, the average non-gamer who just plays games for an hour a two a week won't be aware of any of this. They'll just want to get a PS3 and won't be aware of the changing bundles and prices until they walk into Game one day and see it on the shelf.

  • X201 #22 5 years ago

    "It is odd though that one of the biggest complaints about the PS3, apart from its lack of games, is its high price point yet Sony have discontinued the cheaper 20 GB HDD model in the US and Japan because they claimed it wasn't popular! I mean does that make sense to you because it sure as hell doesn't to me! LOL"

    I think it's a "I'm missing out on something" mentality . The inkling at the back of your mind that you've got a "lesser" version of the product. It's like Microsoft with XP and Vista, most will buy the Pro/Ultimate/All the dogs whatsits version so that we feel we're not missing out on anything.

  • Cloudane #23 5 years ago

    Those who think that the PS3 will be £299 by the end of this year are a little bit delusional.

    It will be anywhere between £349-399 but I'm sure that some online shops will chuck a game or two in the 'bundle' for the same price around the Christmas period.

  • Darren #24 5 years ago

    I paid £425 for my PS3 and a further £250 or so on five games and an extra controller yet the recent bundle doesn't bother me at all (I had £350 on a Game reward card anyway). I certainly don't feel like I've been cheated as that's how these things go.

    I bought a new Sony HDTV for £876 a month ago, which was the cheapest I could find it at the time, but it's now selling for £713 on numerous websites. Again, that's just something I'm used to. If you wait then you'll get things cheaper/better value for money but the way I look at it is that I'm playing and enjoying the games and using my HDTV while others play the waiting game.

  • captainrentboy #25 5 years ago

    Fuck me, £350 on the reward card? The reward card!!! Are you sure you aren't on about the gift card.
    £350's worth of reward points would mean you bought a shit load of games, I've never had a customer with more than 30 odd quid on theirs.

  • Freek #26 5 years ago

    Sony doesn't know what Sony is doing most of the time.

  • X201 #27 5 years ago

    @captainrentboy
    Darren's local Game have got parking spaces for the customers Ferrari's ;)

  • RexRunti #28 5 years ago

    I always spend my reward points straight away. Which I seem to get every other purchase. how does the sysem work again as I just preordered 13 games?
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 12:24

  • Steroyd #29 5 years ago

    Holy freak'n freaky freak, Darren £350 off a reward card!!!

    I thought the points expire after 6 months or something.

  • Goolz #30 5 years ago

    Its like they dont want to win lol.

  • afghan_jones #31 5 years ago

    @captainrentboy

    I used to have a reward card that was broken somehow. Basically it always had a magic £2.50 on it which I must have cashed in on about 20 different occasions.

    It was great. Then it stopped doing it and I died a little inside.

  • Tomnd #32 5 years ago

    This is a fucking shambles

  • alpha-0ne #33 5 years ago

    everyone knows its a clearance sales on the 60GB models.. why dont sony just tell the truth

    I fully expect the PS3 price to stay the same but there will be a 80GB model with one game for £425

    If rumours are true it actiually saves sony money to use the 60gb drive instead of 40gb and well a game bundle costs peanuts... an actual price cut however attacks the bottom line directly
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 12:29

  • Darren #34 5 years ago

    @captainrentboy - Sorry, yes, I meant the Game gift card not the reward one! I apologise for the confusion... LOL

    Apparently though, the system Game use wasn't designed to cope with gift cards with that much on them so it took the staff the best part of 20 minutes before they found a way round it!!! Hehehe! I'd traded in about 70 or so Xbox, GameCube and PS2 games and that's why I had so much on the gift card you see.

  • afghan_jones #35 5 years ago

    @Darren

    I did the same thing in blockbuster to get my 360. Had to get my girlfriend to open an account with them as you couldnt fit that much trade in on one account. Did about 60 PS2 games.

  • GingerNathan #36 5 years ago

    "Fuck me, £350 on the reward card? The reward card!!! Are you sure you aren't on about the gift card.
    £350's worth of reward points would mean you bought a shit load of games, I've never had a customer with more than 30 odd quid on theirs. "

    He must mean gift card, £350 on a GAME reward card requires £14,000 (as you get £2.50 back for every £100 spent) worth of sales (not including special offers and pre-orders).

    *edit* Darren already confirmed it. :/
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 12:50

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #37 5 years ago

    "i agree with you rentboy, after paying full price for one (needed to play VF5) when i heard of this starter pack i felt like i had just been fucked in the ass."

    That's because you had. But then, that's what you get if you bend over and ask for it, which is what all early adopters are doing.

  • penhalion #38 5 years ago

    Now do you believe me when I told you the 60gb thing was a stock clearance and wouldn't only apply to the US of A!

    I thank you!

  • Rash' #39 5 years ago

    I remember one of the Sony execs saying (I forget which one) this isn't the make or break peak time in the market, so I'm not expecting anything drastic from the Sony camp until one of the other boys make a move. The Starter Pack looks to be temporary, in the short term; that appears to be a bad strategy. Sony's long term 10 year strategy however is of more interest...
    Edited by 3 at 07/08/07 @ 13:34

  • kangarootoo #40 5 years ago

    "But then, that's what you get if you bend over and ask for it, which is what all early adopters are doing."

    That's just something that people say when they can't afford to be frivolous with money. Was the businessman that paid to be the first civilian in space getting fucked? Or was he just very rich and well able to afford it?

    Early adopters are paying the priveledge of getting something early. And if someone can afford that priveledge they aren't getting fucked by anyone are they? A games console "only" costs a few hundred quid, which relative to the cost of say buying a house, is barely anything at all. So there are plenty of people out there who can simply afford to be an early adopter and are quite happy to pay the required premium.

    Anecdote time.
    A friend of mine once wandered into a branch of GAME store and asked about the Xbox 360 Elite. Idiot kid behind counter said "you would have to be a mug to want to pay that". So my friend just thinks "No, its just that I make over £50k a year, and you are a penny starved teenager, without even a basic understanding of good customer service". I'd have said it out loud.... except I don't get paid as well as my friend :(

  • penhalion #41 5 years ago

    Sony and Microsoft are consolidating their lines. For Sony it's going to be the single priced 80gb model (with or without promotional bundled games).

    For Microsoft it's going to be the same thing. A single unit with Elite specs and the new 65nm processor.

    I think the reason they don't want to come out and openly admit this strategy is because sales would halt overnight. No-one is stupid enough to buy a machine that will be superseeded with a better model a few months later. The only way they would is if the price was dropped on the older model or a lot of value added to the old model....kind of like in the US and the UK respectively.

    EDIT: A fellow dev has just reminded me about the cheap ass model of the PS3 that's rumoured to be on the cards so maybe two models is in Sony's future a single high end machine and a single cheap ass, devoid of features model for the masses.
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 13:21

  • lambtron #42 5 years ago

    @Kanga

    Of course its true that the more money you have the more the significance of a couple of hundred quid diminishes. However, having lots of money does not necessarily diminish your sense of something's worth. There are people who earn far more money than you or I who simply do not think the PS3 is worth the asking price and as such won't buy it, regardless of the fact that its not much money in real terms to them.

    Not everyone goes all Harry Enfield once they hit the big time ;)
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 13:21

  • X201 #43 5 years ago

    "I'd have said it out loud.... except I don't get paid as well as my friend :("
    I think we can allow a little white lie to put a prat like that in his place :)

  • cyacomini #44 5 years ago

    @Santino

    Yeah, but don't forget - some people pay good money to be fucked in the ass.

    Usually fanboys too I'd wager.

  • kangarootoo #45 5 years ago

    @lambtron

    I agree completely. I never said that the PS3 was worth the money, or otherwise. That is of course down the individual.

    What I take exception to is the idea put out by some people that if someone does decide its worth the dosh and buys one, they are somehow a sheep, or are "getting fucked", or have "more money than sense", or any of those insults that people level during these sorts of discussions.

    Everyone makes their own mind up based on the info available and their own personal circumstances. The whole issue to me results from an attitude of "I am right. Anyone who differs from me is therefore wrong". Purile, childish nonsense.

    Edit: P.s. and sometimes simple old fashioned jelousy.
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 13:48

  • Garulon #46 5 years ago

    " Sony's long term 10 year strategy however is of more interest... "

    They don't know what the hell they're doing six months from now. How can they POSSIBLY have a 10 year strategy?

  • lambtron #47 5 years ago

    I can't really disagree with anything you say ;).

    I suppose its all down to how people argue the point. If I bought a PS3 and a friend told me - oh I don't think its worth the money - I wouldn't have done that. Then fair enough.

    On the other hand if he says - OMG you gibbering imbecile, I can't believe you did that you must be mental. Haha the boys at Sony must be laughing at you I imagine I would be more than a litttle peeved ;).

  • Razz #48 5 years ago

    i cant wait 2 get sum new gamez 4 ma PS3! Brap brap brap!

  • X201 #49 5 years ago

    Razz. Have you been playing San Andreas again?

  • Darren #50 5 years ago

    Garulon - "Sony's long term 10 year strategy however is of more interest... "

    They don't know what the hell they're doing six months from now. How can they POSSIBLY have a 10 year strategy?

    You forget that the PSone sold well for over ten years and the PS2 is 70% of the way toward that as well. Certainly the PS2 shows little sign of declining in popularity any time soon as redesigns, price cuts and a cracking catalogue of games keep people buying it. It's not hard to imagine that PS3 lasting ten years really. Sure the games will look dated by 2016 but Wii games do now so clearly not everyone cares about having the latest "thing" for graphics.

    I'm quite sure that the Xbox 360 won't have a ten year lifespan, I reckon Microsoft will dump it as soon as they release its successor, just as they did with the Xbox.

  • mr_ruberfon #51 5 years ago

    @ kanga- the amount you are paid doesn't make £425 for a games console any better value. There is, however, a danger of becoming smug....

    and you can't spell privilege or jealousy. who's paying you £50K??

  • redd #52 5 years ago

    @Darren

    Its one thing the console having a 10yr lifespan, its another Sony not releasing a new console within that 10yr period. And most certainly they will launch a PS4 or whatever its name is in 5 years time, or whenever they feel the need to in order to better position themselves in relation to the competition (which will have new hardware by then).

    And then, within the PS4s first year on the market you and many other people will buy one, and developers will move their resources to that new machine, as will the industry buzz and interest, thus shortening the PS3 lifespan to the industry standard 4 or 5 years.

  • Rash' #53 5 years ago

    Darren, the technology's not there for the 360 to last 10 years. No HDD as stand was a big mistake. But you never know...

  • Garulon #54 5 years ago

    "Darren, the technology's not there for the 360 to last 10 years. No HDD as stand was a big mistake. But you never know... "

    The technology's not there for the PS3 to last for ten years either. 512MB RAM as standard? BIG MISTAKE. 500MHz GPU? BIG MISTAKE.

    I'm sure they can SELL it for ten years, but including a HDD in every unit automatically means they can't go below £200 without incurring a serious loss per unit. The 360 Core could eventually be sold, profitabily, for £50 ten years from now. Which one has the longer lifespan?

  • redd #55 5 years ago

    @ Rash'

    Its interesting you say that, considering the hard drive is probably the most failure prone component in these next gen consoles (well, with the exception of the whole red ring situation right now).

    Anyway, from a technology standpoint, neither the 360 or the PS3 can "last" 10yrs at a top performing level. Heck, they are underperforming right now, and they were released at a time when PC technology is taking big leaps, finally adopting a paradigm shift that supports massive performance growth.
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 15:13

  • Razz #56 5 years ago

    Razz. Have you been playing San Andreas again?

    Nope, I'm just trying to communicate in a way that Sony's core audience comprehends. :)

  • X201 #57 5 years ago

    "Nope, I'm just trying to communicate in a way that Sony's core audience comprehends. :)"

    Wicked!

  • Madlax #58 5 years ago

    some of you need to broaden their thinking and see the whole image

    check this interesting analysis from gameindustry:

    [link url=http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27219
    ]    http://ww w.gamesindustry.biz/content_pag...[/link]

    the problem is that some of you view the market as the "next-gen" systems "ps3,360,wii",that is not the case

    the best selling system currently aside from the wii is the PS2,its STILL outselling the 360 in every region,sony will "NOT" kill its cash-cow and drop the price of the ps3 rapidly,even the 100$ price-cut in the US is no more that increased value over the 20GB version,sony never dropped the price,but observe what that "fake" drop did to sales

    it makes sense,the PS2 is still selling more than anything,droping the ps3 price right now will not only hurt ps2 sales but will also make a great loss for sony with the costly PS3,it will hurt them from both sides

    once the ps2 cash-cow finishs its role by mid 2008,sony would have made even with the PS3 manufacturing costs,unlike whats commonly believed,the PS3 has greatly dropped in cost,once sony breaks even they will be able to introduce a 350$ PS3 easily,however just because they can doesnt mean they will

    we have already seen what a "phony" 100$ price-cut did to the ps3 sales,its expected to outsell the 360 in july even though it currently has a weak gaming library,this tells that most people want a ps3 but price is a hindrence,lift that and the ps3 sales will sky-rocket

    i can see it....by 2008 the ps2 will have already started to decline and the PS3 costs will break even by march 2008,sony will drop the price to 400$ by mid-2008 and 350$ in 2008 holidays with the software line-up that is coming and judging from what a 100$ fake price drop did,the ps3 will very well outsell the 360 in every region by a wide margin,i only see the wii out-selling it

    a 350$ PS3 will easily out-sell a 250$ 360 premium,consumers generaly see more value in the ps3,not to mention the brand name

    as for the short term,this annoucement of limited summer offer is to urge people to get one,they did the same tactic in the US and it worked,they are using it again

    sony,s day is holidays 2008
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 15:26

  • Rash' #59 5 years ago

    It simple economices: there those that think 400 is right for a console and there are those that think 100 is more appropriate, then there's the broad demographic in between. It's through these demographics the PS1 has shown the 10 year life cycle is doable.

    Without a HDD as standard, devs are limited to creating content to the core unit. I'd be very surprised if that tech lasts till 2015. However, like I posted earlier, you never know; they could phase out the Core. Somebody else here eluded to the Elite being phased in as the definative SKU.
    Edited by 2 at 07/08/07 @ 15:50

  • Rash' #60 5 years ago

    Madlax: "sony's day is holidays 2008"
    +1

  • Darren #61 5 years ago

    @Redd - I never said Sony wouldn't release a PS4 for ten years, I'm sure they will in 2013 or whatever, likely in response to whatever Microsoft or Nintendo do, that's how it's always worked.

    No, the point I was making is that unlike Microsoft and Nintendo, Sony don't drop support for their existing systems as soon as they release a new one. That means that users of PS hardware can pretty much take their time upgrading, waiting for the right games to come along and/or a price drop. In the meantime, Sony are still raking in money from the hardware and software sales. Everyone's happy. Maybe that's the secret to building up a loyal user base? ;)

    That's why I believe people's comments about the PS3 being a failure are premature. The PS2 didn't really take off until the PSone was declining in popularity which happened to coincide with the release of some great games and a well-timed price drop. I'd imagine the same will be true of the PS3. Microsoft on the other hand don't have that luxury because they turned their backs on the Xbox before the Xbox 360 was even launched and it only survived after that on the strength of a few third-party titles. The majority of Xbox users were pretty much forced to upgrade if they wanted to play new Xbox games.

  • miiiguel #62 5 years ago

    I would be very bored if I couldn't buy a new console model for 10 years, so that PS3 is for 10 years doesn't excite me at all.
    I don't need new stuff I just want it, really.

  • miiiguel #63 5 years ago

    Madlax: what about games? we DO play games you know ?

    "same tactic in the US and it worked,they are using it again": that's untrue, 360 continues to outsell PS3 in US.

    edit (forgot link): "Sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 (PS3) console in the US rose by 21% in June, analyst figures show, but the machine still trails the Wii and Xbox 360. Tracking firm NPD Group reported that 98,500 PS3s were sold, compared to 198,400 Xbox 360s (up 28%) and 381,800 Wiis (up 13%)." in netwin.com
    Edited by 2 at 07/08/07 @ 16:03

  • Darren #64 5 years ago

    @miiiguel - Me too, but not everyone buys a console as soon as it launches, some people wait for price drops so it might be two or three years into the system's life before they buy it. And not everyone can afford to upgrade straight away, a £100 console with cheap games is a very attractive proposition for parents with kids or students or people on low incomes, for example. That's how the PSone survived for so long and why the PS2 likely has another two or three years left in it.

  • miiiguel #65 5 years ago

    Rash': a "core user" can buy an HDD. And, there are already games that require an HDD.

  • RexRunti #66 5 years ago

    I think MS's dumping of the XBox 1 was a pretty unique situation, they were still loosing money on each one sold as they didn't actually own the designs for the hardware underneath (also why they never produced a slimline or other versions). I would be very suprised if the same thing happend for the XBox 720/1080/5000 or whatever their next one is called.

  • miiiguel #67 5 years ago

    humm, just saw that actually in July (not official though) PS3 sold 160k and 360 sold 140k in the US..., not really a big difference though, knowing that the installed based is arround 3.5 mil to 12.5 mil.

    Anyhow... what about games ???? :)

    The thing is quite clear, americans do love their 360, Japaneses love their Wii, and Europeans dig "oh it's a Sony" (just for the sake of it).
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 16:19

  • Madlax #68 5 years ago

    @miiiguel

    "Sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 (PS3) console in the US rose by 21% in June, analyst figures show, but the machine still trails the Wii and Xbox 360. Tracking firm NPD Group reported that 98,500 PS3s were sold, compared to 198,400 Xbox 360s (up 28%) and 381,800 Wiis (up 13%)." in netwin.com

    thats for "June" the price-cut became effective in "July",the PS3 is expected to out-sell the 360 in july as i mentioned in my above post

    as for games,Sony has million seller,s coming for the system on 2008 some but not all includes MGS4 "europe+japan",GT5 "worldwide",Killzone 2 "worldwide",GTAIV "NA",FFXIII "possibly 2009...will secure Sony,s position in japan",little big planet "world-wide appeal".....these are the few i can recall for now

    as for 2007,i am looking forward for UT3,it seems to be overlooked by many in their calculations,but this i assure you will be a million-seller,with K+M and Mods support nothing is stopping me

    not to mention COD4,Heavenly sword and Haze [these are what i,m looking for]

    as i said

    Sony,s day is holidays 2008



  • Psychotext #69 5 years ago

    @miiiguel: You've just compared MS's shipped numbers to Sony's sold numbers... that's not exactly fair!

  • miiiguel #70 5 years ago

    Madlax: I heard those "whishfull thoughts" about Ninja Gaiden, Motorstorm and let's not forget the "Gears-killer" Resistance aka "CoD with aliens but worse".

    Madlax: July (not official) PS3 - 160k, 360- 140k.

    let's not forget abou Sony's homeland (well, Europeans think Sony is from Europe, but nevertheless...) where Wii sells more numbchunks than Sony sell PS3, not to mention the "what's a 360 ?", kinda a feeling...
    Edited by 2 at 07/08/07 @ 16:50

  • Madlax #71 5 years ago

    @miiiguel

    "I heard those "whishfull thoughts" about Ninja Gaiden, Motorstorm and let's not forget the "Gears-killer" Resistance aka "CoD with aliens but worse".

    my apologies....are you comparing unproven new IP,s like motorstorm to the selling power of GT5,MGS4,GTAIV and specially FFXIII in japan and europe ???

    you do know GT3 alone sold 15million copies,if GT5 sells half that much this time it will be one of the biggest selling franchises on earth

    BTW,resistance already sold 2 million+ worldwide and counting,hardly a failure for a launch game on a system that has 4 million units sold for now ;)

    as i said 350$ PS3 in holidays 2008 and its Sony,s year




  • miiiguel #72 5 years ago

    I wonder why Motorstorm already has 50% off while Gears (for example) still retails at its original price. Is Gears an established IP or a new one ?
    Madlax: if not 2008 than 2009, if not 2010..., hopefully we'll all be here to open the Cristal bottles.

    Meanwhile it's 2007...
    Edited by 2 at 07/08/07 @ 16:58

  • afghan_jones #73 5 years ago

    "BTW,resistance already sold 2 million+ worldwide and counting,hardly a failure for a launch game on a system that has 4 million units sold for now ;)"

    Im not one to get caught up in fanboy battling but that is just so flawed.

    1. A LOT of retailers bundled resistance with the console
    2. Resistance and Motorstorm were the only new games that came out on PS3 that werent a complete bag of crap.

    So Im not really surprised that half of PS3 owners bought it, cause some of them kinda had to, and the others just didnt have anythign else to play.

    Ask yourself if resistance had come out on 360 or PS2 would it have sold well there where there was actual competition? I doubt it.

    Also, I believe at least half of those copies sold were bought by outraged members of the Church of England, looking to research this terrible exploitation of one of this nations finest institutions.

  • miiiguel #74 5 years ago

    quite right..., I didn't ask for 5 Pirelli tires with my VW but I have them anyway...

  • afghan_jones #75 5 years ago

    Hey miiiguel, give me a big ol' 360 high five!


    up yours, PS3 fanboys. everyone knows M$ breed a better class of fanboy!

    (and I do mean breed, Bill Gates takes a special pride in picking out only the most loyal fanboy to take back to his mansion and pass his seed onto.)

  • kangarootoo #76 5 years ago

    @mr_ruberfon

    First off, no-one is paying me £50k. You need to read my posts more closely :)

    Secondly, value is entirely subjective. I happen to consider Sainsburies "Taste the Difference" Coleslaw to be good value 'cos its really nice and much better than the normal stuff, but a parent making ends meet to run a family household may not draw the same conclusion.

  • kangarootoo #77 5 years ago

    @mr_ruberfon

    P.s. There are plenty of words I can't spell correctly, but then there are plenty I can (we could have a spell off if it would make you feel better).

    Whether I check the spelling of a word depends on the value I attribute to its correct spelling. On here, that value = 0.

  • BonzoBanana #78 5 years ago

    I think any comparision between 360 and PS3 sales figures needs to factor in the fact that 360 has a massive warranty/return issue. When so many 360s are faulty it confuses the whole issue. I've heard that Microsoft has a massive backlog of 360s to repair. Perhaps someone can clarify the situation on this. I just wonder how you factor that all in. The majority of 360s go faulty you probably only have a 1 in 3 chance of getting a good 360. There are people who have had 5 or 6 360s. I myself went through 2 360s before getting a refund and then bought another as the games are so good. I've been told there is a huge store of 360s that require a fairly major modification before they can be resold or used as replacements. I'm responsible for two retail sales but only have one 360. I remember in the past returns weren't factored in because it was hard to accurately record these and returns were only a small percentag but the 360 has changed that.

    With regard pricing in the uk £299 is a price point that sells reasonable numbers and £199 can sell big numbers. Sony's current pricing means its would end up being a minority format for most of 2008 as most consoles are sold at christmas and if they go into christmas 2007 at their current pricing the sales will be low. The ps3 has already had its run of early adopters and now it will quieten down unless repriced.

    From my perspective though a £299 PS3 makes the 360 worth about £200. For me the 360 is a very low quality item with terrible reliability and no blu-ray. Yes 360 games are generally better but to be honest I've had so much hassle with my 360s that I'm willing to take slightly inferior gaming especially as the ps3 has blu-ray.

    I'll be glad when ps3 gaming is on a par with 360 and we can forget about 360. Its pure junk. Too much hassle. PCs are bad enough without doubling your stress levels with 360 reliability issues.

    Whenever I turn on my 360 I wonder if it will work today for me. I've had no issues with my current 360 but my the two previous models were truly hopeless so I'm just playing a waiting game.

  • miiiguel #79 5 years ago

    afghan_jones : ;)

    For me a console is as good as the game it delivers, I have no intention to have diner or go to bed with it.

    I'm not a fanboy, I just happen to dig the 360 as much as I dug the PS2, which is a lot.
    Sony also treated me very, very bad with the dead pixels issue on the PSP.
    Edited by 2 at 07/08/07 @ 17:38

  • Rash' #80 5 years ago

    miiiguel, that just supports my impression that MS are linching off the uninform. Besides tempting these ill informed consumers into the purchase of a 360 what actual purpose does the core possess? HDD only games suggests the SKU will be phased out, but at what expensive to the consumer who only has MS's expensive add ons as option?

  • miiiguel #81 5 years ago

    Rash': I also can't understand the reason for this SKU, but hey... I'm just a *Nix admin, I'm sure some suit thought about it (hopefully for them).
    As I can't understand why Sony phased out PS3 60gb in the US.

  • Psychotext #82 5 years ago

    @BonzoBanana: The failure rate only factors into the sales figures if people are buying new machines to replace their broken ones rather than using the warranty or repair service.

    I'd guess there's been a few of them, but not enough to skew the numbers to any major extent.

  • Rash' #83 5 years ago

    miiiguel, the reason 60gb is being phased out in the US (and mark my words it's an international strategy) is because Sony recognise that this gen will be as much about online as will be about everything we else we've come to associated with console gaming... Which isn't to say MS didn't; it's the reason the core infuriates me so much.
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 17:51

  • miiiguel #84 5 years ago

    Sorry... didn't get it..., even though... why did it exist for four months and it still does in EU (ok, we all know we - Europeans - buy anything with a Sony logo on, bu still...) ?

  • Rash' #85 5 years ago

    The content will grow, the purchases will rise, 60gb won't be enough.

  • miiiguel #86 5 years ago

    Still enough for Europeans, though...

    We use DiVX!

  • Madlax #87 5 years ago

    @miiiguel

    you keep crititizing europeans for their choices

    perhaps i should critize americans for buying 380,000 Wiis monthly,more than the 360 and PS3 combined ;)

    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 18:03

  • miiiguel #88 5 years ago

    Madlax: you got me all wrong (text doesn't have "tone"...), I wasn't criticizing "us", I was criticizing (in this matter) Sony for giving some "goodies" to US and none to EU, and I think it's because in here they can do as they please (why price cut, we buy it anyway!; as Harrison said, it doesn't even need games in Europe, the aw3som3 c3ll is enough). They're starting to move their butts in US because 360 outsold them every single month.
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 18:11

  • miiiguel #89 5 years ago

    The Wii is also a strange machine, by looking at US June's game chart, one can ask "what games do its buyers play ?", I mean, they are a lot more each passing month...
    1.) Mario Party 8 (Wii) - 426,000
    2.) Wii Play (Wii) - 291,200
    3.) Pokémon Diamond (NDS) - 288,400
    4.) Pokémon Pearl (NDS) - 214,700
    5.) Forza Motorsport 2 (360) - 197,400
    6.) Guitar Hero 2 with Guitar (PS2) - 197,350
    7.) Guitar Hero 2 with Guitar (360) - 177,600
    8.) Pokémon Battle Revolution (Wii) - 157,900
    9.) Resident Evil 4 (Wii) - 150,000
    10.) The Darkness (360)
    Edited by 1 at 07/08/07 @ 18:29

  • Krun #90 5 years ago

    "will continue for the foreseeable future"

    Since we cannot foresee the future without some kind of quantum time warp viewer (or some other star trek gobbledegook) that means it will end instantly.

  • afghan_jones #91 5 years ago

    @krun

    you have cut them. cut them with a knife made of logic and pedantry. I salute you.

  • cyacomini #92 5 years ago

    "@Madlax"

    "please" could you "stop" putting "quotes" around every "second" word when "posting" here. It's not "clever" and makes it "difficult" to "read" your comments no matter "how" valid they "may or may not be"

    "thanks!"

  • mr_ruberfon #93 5 years ago

    @kangarootoo, (if still around)

    fair point about the spelling.. i guess it's something i was putting a stupidly high value on ; )

    alsoo mens i can't spel anithing wrong know

  • Kryon #94 5 years ago

    Thank GOD! Just when I thought my anal cavity was healing and resuming its natural puckered state, Sony come and cock me right up the arse again.

    BluRay was worth it!

    All hale teh PoWeR OF tEH CELL!!!!C11 (thats a london bus route)

  • YourMessageHere #95 5 years ago

    I love the idea of people sending letters to Sony saying "How dare you try to make a profit by dropping the price/adding value without specifically informing me beforehand! Free stuffs plix! Faster!". It's like when people go into a PC shop and go "What do you mean, worth maybe a tenner? I bought this computer for two and a half grand in 1995!". It's not like buying wine or original art, it doesn't appreciate or even retain value. Every piece of hardware I have ever bought has gone down in price afterwards.

    Some people will never grasp the basic fact that technology depreciates in value over time, and you need to decide on some kind of trade-off between how much you are willing to pay for any given thing and how much you want it, then buy it when it reaches that price. Twits.