Sony downplays FFXIII Xbox 360 deal

By Robert Purchese Published 23 July, 2008

"It's not an exclusive on their platform."

PlayStation marketeer Peter Dille believes Final Fantasy XIII going cross-platform is not worth getting upset about.

"What you have with Final Fantasy XIII is a lot like what [Microsoft] paid for with GTA IV. It's not an exclusive on their platform. It's now a cross-platform game," Dille told MTV Multiplayer.

"Consumers responded to GTA IV on the PS3 just as they did on the 360... And I think if you fast forward to when Final Fantasy XIII comes out I think you're going to have millions of people who grew up playing Final Fantasy on the PlayStation playing it on a PlayStation 3.

"They spent a lot of money, I'm sure, to get Final Fantasy onto the 360, but at the end of the day it's on our platform as well."

Dille went on to talk about Microsoft opening the chequebook in order to secure big titles, but argued that developers who want a "global return" from their games will choose PS3.

"If you look at the global footprint, PlayStation 3 dominates in Japan where the 360 is really irrelevant. In Europe, the PlayStation 3 is already past the 360. And in the United States you have a dogfight," added Dille.

"So back to the third-party community, they're looking at what's going on, they're realigning their development resources to exploit PS3 and I think they understand that if they want to have a global return on their investment, PlayStation 3 is the only place they're going to get it."

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  • Fuser #1 4 years ago

    Thing is, it was never supposed to be a dogfight - after Sony's dominance with the PS2, the PS3 'should' have wiped the floor with the 360 and the Wii - and its not happening.
    MS wasn't really a valid alternative last time around (i.e. you had to have a PS2 as well as an Xbox) but this time its different....

  • rob230 #2 4 years ago

    Lol of course they'd play it down.... it's either that or cry...

    However they spin it, it's still a massive kick in the spuds

  • Psiloc #3 4 years ago

    The lost money is going to be people with a 360 now having one less reason to go for a PS3 as well.

    For people still with neither, he probably has a point.
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 12:20

  • Steroyd #4 4 years ago

    Not if it has the same affect to hardware sales as GTAIV did...

  • bad09 #5 4 years ago

    am I the only person who couldn't care less about ANOTHER FF whatever platform it's on?

    Most overrated series ever!! (But that is coming from someone who thinks JRPGs are the most overrated genre ever so maybe a little biased!)

  • kestral #6 4 years ago

    What's the real situation? are there statistics on totals of games that are sold every month split by platform across the different territories? That would give a better indication of which platform is doing best surely, rather than consoles.

  • Raz76 #7 4 years ago

    Does that mean we can have the other Sony exclusives on the 360 as well? Cool.

  • Buenos_Estente #8 4 years ago

    The only game i might have been tempted by on PS3 so far was FFXIII - so but putting it on a system i already own they do indeed lose one sale... for now!

  • miiiguel #9 4 years ago

    I'm buying it (360's FF13)... for historical reasons.
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 12:27

  • alimokrane #10 4 years ago

    As far as history goes, GTA titles on the PS2 sold each more than 10 million. The 360 has eaten more than 60% of that. We'll talk about FF13 in 2009/2010 but I am seeing a similar scenraio happening at least in the US, less likely in europe but the 360 version will still eat into the PS3 hardware sales bump even in europe!

    Personally, I was going to buy a PS3 for FF13, now I dont have to, yet.
    Edited by 3 at 23/07/08 @ 12:34

  • Mr_Brown #11 4 years ago

    Heh, the console war has less and less significance these days. The market has grown at an extrodanary rate and continues to grow. It has literally become big enough for all three companies to be sucessful in varies degrees and most are only held back by their choice in hardware and manufacturing costs.

  • ciril #12 4 years ago

    "Personally, I was going to buy a PS3 for FF13, now I dont have to."

    As he said ^^.

  • Inquisitor #13 4 years ago

    Perhaps they understand that they shouldn't be aligning themselves to any one console (unless that's the wii, heh) and should be spreading costs between PS3, 360 and PC?

    They're not going to shoot themsevles in the foot getting exclusive PS3 games. Cross platform all the way.

  • IneptPercy #14 4 years ago

    '"Personally, I was going to buy a PS3 for FF13, now I dont have to."

    As he said ^^. '

    And me.

    It really does make me wonder how big effect this will have on what were potential PS3 sales, Microsoft really need to make sure that people know its coming to 360 (much in the style of the GTA4 adverts a saw a lot before release)

  • Beek4257 #15 4 years ago

    I barfed in my mouth a bit right there.

    @Bad09
    To put it differently: if I wanted to play this or these kind of games, I probably would have bought a PS3. All these JRPG's coming out on 360 have me kinda puzzled.
    (This offcourse is a VERY PERSONAL oppinion)
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 12:47

  • BooMMooB #16 4 years ago

    damage control, damage control.....

  • amcd28 #17 4 years ago

    Jesus blig_merk,

    How in the world of buggering fuck do you know that they had no intention of buying it?

    /Takes own advice from other thread and steps back, takes breath and actually goes back to work

  • stepneg #18 4 years ago

    Watch out Blig_merks about, he's now got so desperate he'is even making up quotes to reply to in an effort to protect his treasured Sony.

  • Colin8703 #19 4 years ago

    Are they both worldwide at the same time releasewise? PS2/PS1 Final Fantasy's took ages to come out in Europe afetr the US release but the Square/Enix stuff on 360 has had a much quicker turn around so far.

    Just a thought and obviously, pure speculation.

  • strangeed #20 4 years ago

    I wonder how much it costs to develop for both consoles and how much cheaper it would be if there were one standard format. Or maybe two, one based on Nintendo's current direction and one based on the other two's direction. Would that encourage innovation or slow it down?

  • des #21 4 years ago

    What? I thought they were happy about it and made a drunk party with strippers to celebrate...

  • amcd28 #22 4 years ago

    Blig...

    Might "hate" PS3, but doesn't mean they hated PS1/PS2 and the previous Final Fantasy games.

    Except for Bad09, but he's entitled to his opinion ;-)

    /Goes misty-eyed at the thought of playing FF on his PS1, loving it until his memory card lost all his game saves and he had to start from scratch. *Sniffs theatrically, wiping eyes*

  • Oldern #23 4 years ago

    PlayStation 3 dominating in Japan? There is a lot in this sentence waiting to downplay.

    It is safe to assume that the lead at the United States is still bigger than the PlayStation 3-s lead from Japan and Europe, combined.

  • Beek4257 #24 4 years ago

    "PlayStation 3 dominating in Japan?"

    ? I thought Nintendo was.

  • ED209 #25 4 years ago

    @strangeed

    I agree, the world would be a happier place (for me) if there was just the Wii and one other good-graphics console instead of both PS3 & X360. Just so long as they base it on the good one, and not the shit one ;)

  • MrFlump #26 4 years ago

    I really hate all the rhetoric these guys spin out.

    The PS3 has a higher base than the 360? I've got both consoles and i've remained wholly unimpressed with the games that I got with the system and the ones that have subsequently come out on the PS3 compared to the 360. The only reason I have the PS3 now is because it is a "cheap", upgradable Blu-ray player. I don't play games on the PS3 and have very little inclination to start

    I wonder how many people own a PS3 primarily as a blu-ray player and not as a gaming system and if those numbers are ever taken into account when Sony talk to developers about getting a return on their money? The 360's installed base is entirely gamer, the PS3's accommodates more than just a gamer.

    Either way i don't give a toss and the winners are Square-Enix who spend a lot of money on the franchise and this just means that the FF franchise can move into a new and more expanded market and grow from there. Don't really care about exclusivity and think that console exclusives of games just shows a lack of ambition by many software developers and a draw purely to the cash as opposed to the old days where people wrote games for fun.

  • bitesize #27 4 years ago

    I think you're going to have millions of people who grew up playing Final Fantasy on the PlayStation playing it on a PlayStation 3.

    what about those of us who grew up playing final fantasy on the SNES huh?

  • Fernando #28 4 years ago

    so i guess Sony wouldn't mind losing Tekken 6 exclusivity? ;)

  • alimokrane #29 4 years ago

    @blig_merk

    Very nice analysis yes but you're forgetting something very importanr! What would have happened if there was NO 360 version AT ALL, the obvious response would be HUGE numbers of PS3s shifting.

    Compare the above scenarioi.e. no 360 version at all VS what happened and then we can talk about the REAL impact of GTA. Like you said 60:40 percent split (in the US that is) so that 60% would have gone to PS3 i.e 60% of the number of copies of GTA sold were on 360, if there was no 360 version, those 60% console owners (around 5 million in the US) would have caved in and bought a PS3 for GTA.

    I'd say 5 million is a BIG BIG loss of potential consoles sold.

  • Littlefinger #30 4 years ago

    I haven't bought either console yet, but was going to get a PS3 largely for Final Fantasy. Despite the announcement I think I still will, becasue as far as I can see, Final Fantasy Versus is still a PS3 exclusive. I don't understand why Sony aren't playing that up. Surely it means that the PS3 is still the console to get for Final Fantasy fans?l

  • elliotreed #31 4 years ago

    Fact is that Sony have made the wrong decision at every strategically important point during this generation, and they're going to be paying for it for a long time.

  • Farzlepot #32 4 years ago

    I never had any interest in the Final Fantasy series at any point in history, so this single piece of news doesn't really bother me at all.

    However, I am pleased that so many prior exclusives are becoming multi-platform. I hate the way console manufacturers buy exclusives, forcing anybody interested in the series to buy their machine at an expense of hundreds of quid. And while this surely works for them in terms of increasing revenue (after all, I bought the Xbox 360 because of the exclusives that appealed to me more than the exclusives on the PS3), it has always seemed morally dubious to me. I mean, I'd like to play certain games on the PS3, such as GT5 if it's ever released, but I don't have the moolah to shell out for another console.

    Let's keep breaking down the exclusivity barriers! Get the European Commission to do something about it I guess! They LOVE suing people! They'll sue ANYBODY! For ANYTHING!

  • andijames #33 4 years ago

    Good god why does every story like this turn into a 360 vs PS3 arguement. It's a good thing if you have a 360 and you want to play it. FACT. More people have 360's than they originally had with Xbox's because the 360 came out before PS3 by a year and people wanted a new console with "new" games. FACT.

    End of the day it's good for 360 owners that they're getting a wider choice of games. Wasn't Bioshock a 360 exclusive not long ago? Isn't that coming to PS3 now? It works both ways. Whatever system you have just enjoy the games that come out for it. More choice is always a good thing

  • menage #34 4 years ago

    Sigh........

    but.....

    ah fuck this...

    Sigh again.


  • Dizzy #35 4 years ago

    >If you look at the global footprint, PlayStation 3 dominates in Japan where the 360 is really irrelevant

    As is PS3.

  • ZuluHero #36 4 years ago

    So just because i used to play FF on sony's consoles, that means that i owe them some type of unwritten loyalty? Sony are fools if they think that is the case.

  • TheJuriel #37 4 years ago

    So cute, Sony, saying 'at least we're glad it still comes out on our console'. So manly.

    Anyway, I was going to get a PS3 for FFXIII, and now I don't have to ever get it for anything. Rock.

  • Goodfella #38 4 years ago

    Er, most rubbish logic ever. GTAIV and FFXIII not being exclusive will mean people with a 360 already will not need to buy a PS3 to play them. So they'll lose sales. Genius.

    Not really. How many people who are fans of the Final Fantasy series would have a 360 but not a PS3?

    The way I see it is fans of the series will get it on the PS3, ''most' people who don't have a PS3 would never have bought it. It's like a 'bonus' to 360 only owners.

    Just how many people were holding out on getting a PS3 just for this one game? Not many I would guess.

    I have a 360 and a PS3 and I won't be getting it on the 360.
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 13:57

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #39 4 years ago

    How many people who are fans of the Final Fantasy series would have a 360 but not a PS3?

    In the US and UK (the 1st and 3rd biggest national markets for videogames)?

    Probably just under half of them. You wait and see.

  • Bearintraining #40 4 years ago

    I agree with most posters - I'm one of those people that would have bought a ps3 just for FFXIII. Now, I'm quite sure that Versus will remain ps3 exclusive, but Versus is still a long way off, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it didn't turn out to be ported if the ffxiii 360 version sells well. After all, once they ported the "white engine" to the 360 for ffxiii, the technology to do it is there.

  • Arwin #41 4 years ago

    The only thing I'm curious about is what effect this will have on the series. The series had been moving to being a lot less linear on the PS2. If this doesn't change, then the 360 version may have a bit of a challenge in terms of multiple discs and such (though I guess you'll just install one on the HDD and keep one in the disc, and insert the others for all the cinema or something?).

    After FFX-2 but of course especially after FFXII I wouldn't want to go back to the way things were in the 'old days'. But I'd also be disappointed if Square doesn't fill up a full dual layer BluRay. ;) So will be interesting to see where it ends, beyond just lowering quality or increasing compression of cinematics in the game ...

  • jebus #42 4 years ago

    "It's not an exclusive on their platform. It's now a cross-platform game,"

    Exclusivity on their platform isn't the point - the lack of exclusivity on your platform is the point.

  • TheBard #43 4 years ago

    This whole "We're gonna sell it on PS3, too" talk is useless for me.

    But what I like is this:

    I have an Xbox 360. Many people desire Final Fantasy XIII, GTA IV etc.

    Microsoft makes it happen, that I, as a Microsoft customer, can play these games on their console.

    Now I have the nice, warm and fuzzy feeling, that I own a games console where the manufacturer cares that I can play all the really hot games. And if they are originally PS3 exclusive, Microsoft goes great lenghts that they lose this exclusivity so I have the option to play them as well.

  • redneon Verified Programmer, SUMO Digital #44 4 years ago

    @Godfella:

    "Not really. How many people who are fans of the Final Fantasy series would have a 360 but not a PS3? "

    Lots, I think. If the only reason for owning a PS3 was for FF (as was in my case) then I wouldn't bother buying one until the game was out. I'm a huge fan of the FF games (I imported FF VI for the SNES, back in the day, and I've never looked back) but I also prefer the 360 to the PS3.

    Why would I go out and spend £300 on a console to play FF XIII on when I've already got a console I can play it on? Does it make me more of a fan if I play it on a Sony console? How pretentious is that?

  • andijames #45 4 years ago

    I wonder how many discs this is going to come on being a very FMV based game? HD FMV too!

  • alimokrane #46 4 years ago

    @Deagle

    Agrees 100%. Thank you, you saved me time typing.

  • LunatikCajun #47 4 years ago

    "The only game i might have been tempted by on PS3 so far was FFXIII - so but putting it on a system i already own they do indeed lose one sale... for now!"

    +1

    If they really do re-make 7, and its exclusive, that would create a bit of a re-think

  • mexalen #48 4 years ago

    attachement rate, anyone?

    Last time I've seen a chart about it, the PS3 sold only like 3 games per console, where as the 360 had 7 or 8 titels attached to each sold unit. Don't know if this are actual numbers, but it's not like the PS3 had a rush of great games recently.
    So much for a "Global footprint"...

  • JonFE #49 4 years ago

    Having Sony downplaying the awkward for them x360-FFXII deal (like the GTAIV before it) is one thing I totally understand... Having actual gamers doing the same, like they have some kind of investment in their PS3, truly troubles me...

  • SpaceMidget75 Verified Senior Software Developer, Minerva Computer Services #50 4 years ago

    @Deagle

    Agrees 100%. Thank you, you saved me time typing too.

    For the record I would have bought a PS3 at some point for FFXIII and a new Team Ico game. I'll probably be called liar though. =[
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 15:08

  • Beek4257 #51 4 years ago

    And how exactly do you know that? Have you stumbled across a study in which each and every console owner was asked whether he/she owns more than one system, and concluded that it was a "very select few"? Unless you have then it's an utterly groundless claim to make.

    Common sense says so. Do you have any?

    And all of sudden I'm part of "the very select few". VIP ME, yeh!

    And: " global footprint ... Sony ... dominate Japan ..."

    ???Nintendo anyone???
    Edited by 2 at 23/07/08 @ 15:10

  • Drone #52 4 years ago

    "And how exactly do you know that? Have you stumbled across a study in which each and every console owner was asked whether he/she owns more than one system, and concluded that it was a "very select few"? Unless you have then it's an utterly groundless claim to make.

    Common sense says so. Do you have any? "

    My common sense says your wrong. I dont need to prove this because its "common sense".

    See what i did there ;-)

  • zedzee #53 4 years ago

    "It's not an exclusive on their platform. It's now a cross-platform game."

    That's a bit like saying "GTA-IV wasn't delayed because the PS3 version caused problems, it's because the X360 version was finished too early" !!!

    I just love the way that these 'marketeers' think they can pull the wool over everyone's head!

    Just admit it, you've lost FF's exclusivity to the PlayStation and now it's multi-platform, starting with X360.

  • zedzee #54 4 years ago

    "...when Final Fantasy XIII comes out I think you're going to have millions of people who grew up playing Final Fantasy on the PlayStation playing it on a PlayStation 3."

    Not if the X360 version is the same but cheaper. This could well be a 'console shifting' killer app for Microsoft.

  • Quak #55 4 years ago

    > GTAIV raised PS3 sales by a larger percentage than 360 ales.

    Of course it did, as the 360 started off with a bigger number so it's obviously going to take more to reach the same percentage. It's pretty stupid to raise this as any kind of point.

  • MightyMouse #56 4 years ago

    There are a suspicious number of people who were apparently going to spend £300 to play one game here... Even if these are all real, does anyone really think that this will be true of, as one random estimate was, 5 million people? Maybe there are just too many counterfactuals here to come up with a decent estimate of the impact of FFXIII being cross-platform, and I'm sure Sony would have preferred if every game were one of their exclusives, but I can't see that anything this guy's saying is really controversial or indeed PR BS.

    I don't really know what this guy could ever have said that people here would be happy with.

  • Beek4257 #57 4 years ago

    I you do, then you clearly dont live in the credit crunch reality tht the rest of us do.

    And all of a sudden I'm apparently rich too!

    Yeh X2.

    Can't wait for one of the following posts to declares me pretty as well.

  • Godhather08 #58 4 years ago

    It's laughable to read all the pathetic people claiming they were going to buy a PS3, but now that FF XIII is coming to X360 also they won't buy a PS3 anymore. Those "fanboys" in disguise should just go throw them selves in front of a train.

    What counts the most is that PS3 has already passed X360 in Europe and software sales for PS3 are much higher compared to software sales on the X360 in Europe. This gap will only continue to grow, the xbox fanboys are just scared and flood every PS3 article with their FUD. PS3 owners on the other hand are now comfortable with how things are, we see the quality of what we have and what's to come. While X360'ers can't stand that the PS3 goes from streangth to streangth, they cling to every negativ PS3 news they hear.

    Get a life fanboys. The PS3 is here to stay, and it will only get better.

  • Darren #59 4 years ago

    What Peter Dille fails to appreciate is that for every PS exclusive the Xbox 360 gains as a multiformat title, it's one less reason to buy their own expensive PS3.

    It might not have mattered so much if the PS3 was cheaper than the Xbox 360 but it isn't, it's twice the price of its base model. That means that anyone wanting to play GTA IV, FFXIII and Devil May Cry 4 as well as 360 exclusives like Halo 3 and Gears of War 2 can buy an Xbox 360, save £150 and put that money toward buying the actual games. No matter how Sony spin it, the Xbox 360 has become a more attractive buy this year because of those games.

  • Lexx87 #60 4 years ago

    Um actually Mr. God I was going to buy a PS3 for Final Fantasy, now I don't need to. So what the fuck you talking about?

  • NewbieZilla #61 4 years ago

    How many million selling games does PS3 have?

  • Beek4257 #62 4 years ago

    What counts the most is that PS3 has already passed X360 in Europe and software sales for PS3 are much higher compared to software sales on the X360 in Europe.

    Nope. What counts most is good games. The rest is nothing but clutter. It's called EuroGAMEr for a reason.
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 15:33

  • LunatikCajun #63 4 years ago

    "What counts is good games. The rest is nothing but clutter. "

    +1

  • Godhather08 #64 4 years ago

    Well Mr. Lexx87, you were planning to buy a PS3 in late 2009 early 2010 just to get FF XIII. Good thing you plan far ahead, what about FF XIII Versus? What about if there are other heavy hitters coming 2009/2010? Your one and only reason for wanting a PS3 is FF XIII, not everyone buys kiddy fairy tales.

  • Godhather08 #65 4 years ago

    You X360 fanboys are still stuck complaining about the bad ports from last year. All the good multiplat games out in 2008 are just as good or better on the PS3. Deal with it.

  • Godhather08 #66 4 years ago

    "I've never seen ownage on a scale as I did at this E3, the way Square slapped Sony in teh face is one for the history books. Sony are going to be butt hurt for about 20 years over this. And the more they downplay it the better it gets.

    Sony = fucking owned forever."

    Said the biggest fanboy on these forums.

    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 15:40

  • Dizzy #67 4 years ago

    "You X360 fanboys are still stuck complaining about the bad ports from last year. All the good multiplat games out in 2008 are just as good or better on the PS3"

    You new here?

  • Godhather08 #68 4 years ago

    I have not been a Eurogamer reader for a long time, but it seems to me this place is a nesting place for X360 fanboys. It's seems everything SONY is attacked with full force by a horde of X360 fanboys. What's the deal?

  • stepneg #69 4 years ago

    @Blig,

    For someone to dedicate what must be an extreme amount of time to spouting utter nonsense in defense of a company you have nothing to do with must take a very disturbed individual. With that in mind I think I'm going to have to put you on ignore for your own good.

    What am I saying this is comedy gold, I haven't laughed so hard since MS announced FFXIII was coming to 360.

  • penhalion #70 4 years ago

    If it's so not an issue, then why mention it at all?

  • Colin8703 #71 4 years ago

    How much money would you bet on the PS3 version not being 1080P?

  • Godhather08 #72 4 years ago

    Lol, you guys are living in an alternate universe were Microsoft is your GOD. I'm out of here, I'll leave you guys to pat each others back, just keep telling yourselves that X360 is the best thing since sliced bread. You guys are dillusional.

    BTW. I'm Norwegian, I have no connection to blig_merk if that's what you are insinuating.

    For en gjeng med tapere! ;)

  • thepiedpiper #73 4 years ago

    I'll buy a PS3 when it's under a 100 quid. So, might be some time then....

  • paulf #74 4 years ago

    I love how both sony and microsoft both seem to conviently ignore wii when making sales comparisons

  • bitesize #75 4 years ago

    I am categorically stating that everybody in this forum who claims to have changed their mind about buying a Ps3 entirely based on Final fantasy exclusivity is a flat out liar and should be ashamed of themsleves.

    fucking hell, we've known for a while that you're a bit of a loon blig_merk, but that takes the biscuit. maybe you need to start reading what you're posting before you hit the post button to make sure it's not completely ridiculous...

  • Godhather08 #76 4 years ago

    Seriously farticusmaximus, you really are a sorry-assed individual. I'm on several other forums, and they're a lot more balanced and fun. This place is like if you're not an X360 fanboy then you're not one of the cool bois. Like I said, this is an X360 fanboy nesting place.

  • darc #77 4 years ago

    Wow, must be something in the water this week. At least three identical threads flaming simultaneously. Is it the summer doldrums getting to us or what?

    Anyway, I'll trade you back the next two FF's for a port of Uncharted. I'll throw in a couple more for LBP, what do you say?

  • SpaceMidget75 Verified Senior Software Developer, Minerva Computer Services #78 4 years ago

    Godhather, do us all a favour and find somewhere else.

    ...and take that twat blig with you.


    Exclusives sell consoles. 1 less exclusive = 1 less reason to buy that particular console.

    FACT.

    You can't deny that as you always use PS3 exclusives in your arguments. Yes, JP is the biggest FF market but the franchise has lots of fans in the rest of the world. I also don't give a fuck if you think me and everyone else is lying.

    Now fuck off.
    Edited by 2 at 23/07/08 @ 17:33

  • JonFE #79 4 years ago

    @Dizzy:
    "You X360 fanboys are still stuck complaining about the bad ports from last year. All the good multiplat games out in 2008 are just as good or better on the PS3"

    I'm pretty sure I've already read that comment from Apologie, almost word to word, so, Dizzy, No, I don't think he's actually new here :)

  • Godhather08 #80 4 years ago

    @JonFE

    Maybe, people repeat the same things because that's what the see in these forums not because it's the same person.

    You fucking guys can't get through your think heads that more than one person has a different opinion than your own xbox-loving opinions. Wake up!

  • speedsix #81 4 years ago

    Why do I keep hearing the "people grew up playing it on X platform therefore they'll want to play it on X successor platform"?? It's complete nonsense, the same as people saying GTA is a playstation franchise and people will want to play it on playstation just for some sort of nonsensical nostalgia.


    Dry your eyes Sony.

  • Kryon #82 4 years ago

    I own both systems hence don't really care but it seems the SDF are taking it pretty hard, I bet Godhather08 signed the DMC4 petition in blood and tears, Jesus!

    MS is in your studios, stealin your exclusives! Get over it!

  • Goodfella #83 4 years ago

    Ok, hands up those of you with both a PS3 and a 360?

    Now, if you intend to get FFXIII, which console would you get it on and why?

  • Godhather08 #84 4 years ago

    "Ok, hands up those of you with both a PS3 and a 360?

    Now, if you intend to get FFXIII, which console would you get it on and why?"


    How can anyone even say they're gonna buy a game that's not out til late 2009 or even 2010?

    First I need to see if it's any good.


  • Kryon #85 4 years ago

    Probably the 360 because I prefer a quick disc swap to 4/5 minute installs between every level, I also enjoy looking at anti-aliased graphics which is something the PS3 rarely offers.

  • dieseljunkie #86 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:42:38 15-12-2011

  • Godhather08 #87 4 years ago

    If it's good I'd buy it for the PS3, because of:

    - Trophies (I like them more than achievement points)
    - I'd be getting the game on 1 BD, instead of 4-5 DVDs
    - Maybe SE would allow for unlocking charaters or other stuff in FF XIII Versus, when you have a save-game or trophies from FF XIII.

  • Kryon #88 4 years ago

    And by the time it is out the PlayStation 3 will have taken over the Xbox 360 already.

    To be honest, I'll never understand 'sales figure fanboys'. I mean, gloating about your system of choice having the best games library is one thing. Gloating because it sells well is just strange imo. It's like a Ford Fiesta owner saying "Yeah, take that you fucking Veyron owners, my car soldz mor than yours init! BugattiLOL"

  • Jamelle #89 4 years ago

    What a bullshit. I own both PS/ PS2 and bought a 360 at launch. A year ago I was thinking of buying a PS3 because I'm a big fan of FF series / God Of War/ GTA and Twisted Metal. Now with Sony losing all these exclusives to 360 ( except GOW and TM ) I will wait till the price drops under 250€ and will probably buy their games in platinum.

  • old_skool #90 4 years ago

    The truth as they say is probably somewhere in the middle. FFXIII will likely stop the sale of a some PS3 consoles ( God alone knows how many ) but it'll likely do nothing to increase the 360 install base. BTW it makes no sense for SquareEnix to release it on the 360 in Japan, they'll never recoup their development costs by releasing it on a console with a pitiful install base.

    I think Sony will counter this Microsoft move the same way they handled the GTA4 saga, release a bundle, possibly a price drop at the time of the game's release. That's probably why they're so cocky.

  • SpaceMidget75 Verified Senior Software Developer, Minerva Computer Services #91 4 years ago

    @old skool,

    While I agree that it's probably not worth SE releasing the game on 360 in jp, I don't think development costs would be a factor.

    They'll have the jp text and audio from the PS3 version and the rest of the code from the rotw 360 version. Relatively speaking it would be a doddle to do.

    I'm not sure how many of those 600k 360 owners would buy the game tbh. If 500k would buy it then it may well be worth their while. That's for them to decide although I suspect the potential profits from such a small install base would make it very easy for Sony to pay for jp exclusivity. ;)

    Given the price and number of JRPG's on the 360 it 'could' reach a point where people actually start buying the thing in decent numbers. Won't happen if FF is exclusive though.
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 19:22

  • old_skool #92 4 years ago

    "While I agree that it's probably not worth SE releasing the game on 360 in jp, I don't think development costs would be a factor.

    They'll have the jp text and audio from the PS3 version and the rest of the code from the rotw 360 version. Relatively speaking it would be a doddle to do. "

    @SpaceMidget75
    Well, that depends if they are developing the game on both platforms at the same pace and timeline. If not then that means the Jap PS3 version will be ready before the 360 version, who knows. Eternal Sonata didn't help, neither did Lost Oddesey. No use in flogging a dead horse.

  • SpaceMidget75 Verified Senior Software Developer, Minerva Computer Services #93 4 years ago

    I'm assuming that they wait until the 360 version is complete i.e. the PS3 version would have been out in jp already.

  • the_sas_man #94 4 years ago

    i like jam

  • JonFE #95 4 years ago

    @Godhather08:

    You jumped to defend your comment (fair enough) yet you didn't question who Apologie is, so allow me to remain skeptical...

    Ooh, by the way, next time you are responding to me, please keep the swearing to yourself, will you?

  • Kryon #96 4 years ago

    @ZeroCool

    What's that sound? Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's my next doors neighbours 360, I wonder what they're playing, maybe it's DMC4 or FFXIII or RE5 or one of the other "Sony exclusiveslol" (all with anti-aliasing, no jaggies and no forced install).

    /fixed

    The PS3 is the better blu-ray player, end of.

    /fixed again

    ;)

  • Godhather08 #97 4 years ago

    @JonFE
    "You jumped to defend your comment (fair enough) yet you didn't question who Apologie is, so allow me to remain skeptical...

    Ooh, by the way, next time you are responding to me, please keep the swearing to yourself, will you?"


    Well, I have no clue who or what Apologie is except for the meaning of the word, and I apologise for swearing in my response to you. I got a carried away and hot headed with this thread. I don't know why you many here question me being new to EG.

    Guess the atmosphere here is more hostile than other places I visit on the web.


  • Kryon #98 4 years ago

    @Arbiter

    I really hope that FFXIII *REQUIRES* an install on all platforms, because at least that way the game won't suffer from the limited range of baddies per-area that Lost Odyssey does. It's not a major problem, but anyone who's played a FF title in the past would have found the relative lack of variation in LO noticable.

    Jesus, you're scraping that barrel so hard you have wood chips under your fingernails.
    Edited by 1 at 23/07/08 @ 21:40

  • JonFE #99 4 years ago

    Godhather08, apology accepted.

    BTW Apologie is one of the most vocal Sony defenders/fanboys (take your pick) here in Eurogamer, or at least was until recently when he stopped posting under that nick (but is suspected to return under another). He was very pro-Sony/anti-MS under all circumstances and he kept coping-pasting various passages found on the web to support *his* opinions.

  • Godhather08 #100 4 years ago

    "Godhather08, apology accepted."

    Thank you JonFE.

    I'm not anti-MS, I think the X360 is a powerful console and has it's place just like the Wii and the PS3. I do not wish any of the 3 consoles to fail, the competition forces Sony and Microsoft to deliver more, better and faster.

  • Vandrius #101 4 years ago

    The problem with Microsoft is that they are so US-centric.

    The US has a vast minority of the worlds population... they are just loud and obnoxious, so they tend to have their opinions heard.

  • SleepyMagpie #102 4 years ago

    "Vast minority". Great thread this, many chuckles.

    I am one of the "vast minority" who would have bought a PS3 for FFXIII if I had to - to play it.

    Thing is I already have a PS3 beside an Xbox360. I'm still getting FFXIII for my 360 though, cos it's a better machine to play games on.

    The PS3 is a very good Blu-Ray player and DVD upscaler. But it has a very small, and mostly unattractive catalog of games.

    "Vast minority" - that's like, almost an oxymoron, isn't it?

    Final Fantasy on 360 - there's another!

    By the time I get to Phoenix she'll be rising
    She'll find the note I left hangin' on her door
    She'll laugh when she reads the part that says I'm leavin'
    'Cause I've left that girl so many times before

    By the time I make Albuquerque she'll be working
    She'll prob'ly stop at lunch and give me a call
    But she'll just hear that phone keep on ringin'
    Off the wall that's all

    By the time I make Oklahoma she'll be sleepin'
    She'll turn softly and call my name out loud
    And she'll cry just to think I'd really leave her
    Tho' time and time I try to tell her so
    She just didn't know I would really go.


    Og kan du kutte ut med å snakke tull din nyrike PS3 ignoramus? Du skjemmer ut oss andre norske!

  • davisorle #103 4 years ago

    That guy in the interview is a global fuck. 360 I play great new games often. It took the PS3 to bring out 3 big FOR THEM tittles many years and will need way more to do so again.. So you can eat your global console you morron. As if i care what sells in Japan ffs. Have you seen what they drive? ffs... Fucking ignorants

  • GamerG #104 4 years ago

    If Sony still had FF13 then they would have trumpeted it at E3 and would point to it as a game that will help them catch up with 360.

    Its no surprise Sony have made these comments, PR is basically putting a spin on things to put things in a more positive light for you and it seems for some of the elements of the SDF its worked. However anyone with any modicum of intelligence knows this is a big loss for Sony it would have given them a tonne of positive PR in the run up to its launch for a start.

  • Godhather08 #105 4 years ago

    "Thing is I already have a PS3 beside an Xbox360. I'm still getting FFXIII for my 360 though, cos it's a better machine to play games on. "

    Isn't it stupid to decide this 1 to 1 1/2 year before the game is released, and you don't even know if it'll be any good. What about Final Fantasy XIII versus (if it still is exclusive at that time) and Final Fantasy VII remake, or God of War 3, or the ICO-team project? What about all the other PS3 exclusives like inFamous, Killzone 2, MAG, Little BIG Planet, Resistance 2, Motorstorm Pacific Rift, and other new ip's Sony may or may not reveal?

    You have absolutley no arguements what so ever why you think the X360 is better for playing games? Is it the controller? Is it because you can play Halo 3 or GeoW? Games like Mass Effect and Bioshock are PS3 bound. Where is the massive list of X360 exclusive games that you're looking forward to? GeoW 2 and Fable 2? Two great looking titles btw. Please give credit where credit's due and don't dismiss thing just because you want to be fanboy or something.
    Edited by 1 at 24/07/08 @ 08:12

  • Kryon #106 4 years ago

    You have absolutley no arguements what so ever why you think the X360 is better for playing games?

    90% of multi platform titles are better on the 360. MS have (and probably will continue to) buy out most of Sony's important exclusive titles. The 360 doesn't force me to install games due to a slow drive more siuted to playing blu-ray movies.

    It's all very well going on about how bright the future is for Sony, "Oh, but soon Resistance 2 and MotorStorm 2 will be out!!!", so what? What is actually out for the PS3 right now?

    The 360 has the best range of fighters, racers, RPGs, JRPGs, FPSs, etc, out of all the 'next gen' systems at this moment in time. That may well change but with MS buying out pretty much anything of any importance Sony exclusive-wise, I don't see it.

  • Kryon #107 4 years ago

    @Arbiter

    What on earth does HD caching have to do with forced 5 minute installs between each level and an initial forced install of 8 minutes? At least try to learn about the tech before you start spouting absolute shit you obviously know f-all about.

    LO, did things in just the same way as most other JRPG's, i.e. a few different monsters in each area of the map. Only someone looking for a fault (in this regard) would find one. i.e. an insecure mule of Sony.

    "Fuck off fanboy"

    Lol, pot, kettle, etc, anyway this is a pretty good indication of your intellect, so perhaps I shouldn't bother with you...
    Edited by 1 at 24/07/08 @ 09:40

  • Godhather08 #108 4 years ago

    "90% of multi platform titles are better on the 360."
    This is not true, there are still examples of a multiplatform games in 2008 that are better on the 360, but they are further and further apart. I could say that GTA-IV is better on PS3, less pop-up and better frame-rate, or Devil May Cry 4, Battlefield: Bad Company, Burnout Paradise, NCAA Football 09, Grid, and many more, all these games are almost identical on both systems. Like I've said, you have to move on from some of the bad early ports on the PS3.

    "What is actually out for the PS3 right now? "
    If you don't know then you should check it out, it's not hard, all the multiplat games are ofcourse out.
    There have not been many exclusives worth mentioning other than Metal Gear Solid 4, but then again the X360 has had 0 exclsuives worth mentioning in 2008?


    "The 360 has the best range of fighters, racers, RPGs, JRPGs, FPSs, etc, out of all the 'next gen' systems at this moment in time."
    Well, yes, there are still more games available for the X360, as it should be since it released one year in advance.

    You should stop talking like there are no games for the PS3, because all new games are now release for both PS3 and X360 and they are just as good on the PS3. First party titles will of course not be bought by Microsoft. I find it funny that Microsoft has to pay large amounts of money to get games on the X360 and they're not even made X360 exclusives, they pay for multiplatform support. At least Sony are building their own range of first party developers and putting money in to their own ip's. Microsoft is like the top 4 football teams in England, buy all the best foreign players and make a great team. It works but it's not very healthy or admirable, it would be nice if Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea, and to some extent MAN U, actually had english players. In the same way that it would be nice if MS stopped buying games from other companies and made some of their own for a change.

  • Godhather08 #109 4 years ago

    "Like it or not, the 360 is the better gaming platform.
    It is more powerful"
    Not true.

    ", has a larger and more varied games catalog,"
    True.

    "does not force installs"
    True, but it's often more an advantage than a drawback. (eg. shorter load times in-game)

    " has better loading times"
    Not true. Several PS3 games have better load times, Oblivion and GTA IV comes to mind.


    and does multiplat games better.
    "Not true"


    "Whether you prefer PS3 exclusive games or not it a separate issue. Personally I think 90% of PS3 exclusives are well below acceptable standards, as are the multiplats. "

    Personally I think you come across as one of the biggest fanboys ever.

  • des #110 4 years ago

    GTA IV is 720p 2xAA on 360,640p 0xAA on PS3
    Also 360 version has better frame rate,check Eurogamer frame rate measurements...
    As for other games check Eurogamer vs articles,it might surprise you or not lol

  • Gradius #111 4 years ago

    I was just going to comment but then decided it was better not to bother....

  • Godhather08 #112 4 years ago

    "Also 360 version has better frame rate,check Eurogamer frame rate measurements... "
    As I've found out EG is not the most trustworhty or unbiased place to check.

    "As for other games check Eurogamer vs articles,it might surprise you or not lol "
    Why not check IGN or even Gamespot, you'll get less biased articles and reviews, maybe you'll broaden your horizon a little bit in the process.

    This is from IGN:
    "For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud."

    You X360 guys should get out a little more, fresh air and new impulses. EG is not the one and only gaming site guys, it's widely known that EG is pro X360.

  • Kryon #113 4 years ago

    "Like I've said, you have to move on from some of the bad early ports on the PS3. "

    Go and read the EG face-off articles. The 360 wins hands down every single time. There are a few PS3 versions of games that equal their 360 counterparts, but it is literally only a few.

    "Well, yes, there are still more games available for the X360, as it should be since it released one year in advance. "

    Exactly, so you admit the 360 has the better games library, this surely obliterates your claim "You have absolutely no arguments what so ever why you think the X360 is better for playing games? " ....Erm, there's more of them to play and they are of an equal or higher quality.

    "You should stop talking like there are no games for the PS3, because all new games are now release for both PS3 and X360 and they are just as good on the PS3."

    No, not all of them are, in fact, most of them are not. I refer you once again to EGs 360 vs PS3 face-off articles.

    Edit- Oh, I see we've gotten to the old 'EG is biased' chestnut... Zzzzzzz. If you feel the journalism here is bogus then feel free to visit another gaming site....
    Edited by 1 at 24/07/08 @ 11:00

  • Kryon #114 4 years ago

    "it's widely known that EG is pro X360. "

    Funny, in an earlier post of yours, you claim to be new to EG, so what are you talking about???

  • Godhather08 #115 4 years ago

    "Exactly, so you admit the 360 has the better games library, this surely obliterates your claim "You have absolutely no arguments what so ever why you think the X360 is better for playing games? " "

    I didn't say better, I said larger, I still don't want old games that were released the first year the X360 was out. Large games library doesn't automatically make the X360 the better gaming platform or? I think not, it's a great gaming platform as is the PS3. That's my opinion. You rabbid X360'ers seem to downplay the PS3 every chance you get, you're to scared to admit the PS3 also is a great gaming console.

  • Godhather08 #116 4 years ago

    "Funny, in an earlier post of yours, you claim to be new to EG, so what are you talking about??? "

    Widely known, doesn't mean within EGs own forums. It means in other forums, get it?


    Edit:
    Did you read the part from IGN?
    Do you think EG has more cred than IGN?
    Edited by 1 at 24/07/08 @ 11:08

  • Kryon #117 4 years ago

    @Godhather08

    At the moment the 360 has the best -

    Fighter - VF5 (online)

    Racer - Forza 2

    JRPG - Lost Odyssey

    RPG - Mass Effect (or Oblivion which both systems have)

    FPS - Gears of War.

    This isn't my personal list of favourite games, but check metacritic/gamerankings and find me a PS3 game in each category that outscores it. You won't be able to.

  • des #118 4 years ago

    When IGN starts using Beyond3d as reference and develops good technique for measuring frame rates and AA,then they might be a good site for technical comparisons.The best think about IGN now is LiveWire,it rocks seriously,i could praise it for days lol

  • Kryon #119 4 years ago

    @farticusmaximus

    Aww FFS, is it really fuckin Headbog again? Jesus, doesn't that cretinous sock ever give up? :(

  • Godhather08 #120 4 years ago

    Fair enough Kryon, those are all good games.

    As a PS3 owner I still have plenty of good games to play. I love these title:

    Ratchet and Clank: ToD.
    Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
    Heavenly Sword
    Metal Gear Solid 4
    Motorstorm
    VF5 is also for the PS3, without online.
    Even GT5 Prologue though it's very short.


    I'm just saying if you own a PS3 you have plenty choice and also lots of cool stuff to look forward to.

    Edit:

    Thanks for the support blig_merk, I agree with your post.

    Maybe it's that X360'ers are so nerdy that they have to disect every game and try to find something that is better on the X360 versjon so they can feel good and have some ammo in their war against the PS3?

    I thought it sucked before when a EA sports game on the 360 ran at 60 fps and the PS3 version at 30 fps, those kind of big differences are a thing of the past. Now it's down to macro differences that no one really care about.


    @des
    "When IGN starts using Beyond3d as reference and develops good technique for measuring frame rates and AA,then they might be a good site for technical comparisons."
    Do you realise how that sounds? ;)
    What about using your eyes, playing the game and rating the experience?
    Edited by 2 at 24/07/08 @ 11:40

  • Kryon #121 4 years ago

    blig_merk

    "See, being selective about what you choose to compare is easy. "

    I wasn't being 'selective', I just compared the main 'genres', i.e. Fighting, Racing, RPGs, etc. I freely admit that the PS3 has the lead in regards to action platormers like R&C/Uncharted, but that's its one and only saving grace. Lets go though the rest of the titles you mention.

    Best third person shooter: MGS4 - Nope, it gets 94%. The same as Gears of War. (although I don't really see MGS as a 3rd person shooter tbh)

    Best baseball sports game: MLB: The Game. - Nope, it's better on 360. PS3 scores 74%. 360 scores 79%.

    Best ninja game: Ninja Gaiden Sigma. - LOL, it's a tarted up port of an old XBox game. It also scores lower than the original XBox versions which I can happily play in my 360.

    So even with your silly selection, you still fail...






  • InsoFox #122 4 years ago

    The amount of 'oh yeah? prove it!' type comments on this story is pathetic. This is comment box, for your opinions. It's not freakin' phoenix wright.

  • Ryze #123 4 years ago

    @blig_merk

    Do fuck off you cretin.

    We'll all buy PS3s in 2010 or whenever the Shadow / ICO sequel or God Of War III is released, or the console is reduced to below £199.

    Happy now?

    Fuck off then, and grow a brain while you're at it.

  • Kryon #124 4 years ago

    blig_merk

    "So neither is better then - so it can be down to preference, so how can you categorically state Gears is better?"

    I didn't state Gears was better. I just said you wouldn't find a higher scoring game of the same genre on the PS3.... And you didn't...so..

    "I meant MLB the Show - which scores 83 and is published by Sony, so again, you lose. "

    83? So it doesn't score as well as the 360 version of Fight Night R3 then? So 360 still wins the Sports category then...

    "Sigma has plenty that is not present in the XBOX version"

    Listen, if you're happy playing 'remixed' five year old XBox1 titles that don't even better their originals, good for you. I already played the superior original versions many years ago on my XBox, so not really interested in Sigma, Glad you're enjoying tinkering away on it though, good for you...
    Look, the PS3 has a few good exclusives, but like you admit in the ' Xbox 360 will outperform PS3 in software for years' thread, the 360 has well over double the amount of 90%+ scoring titles than the PS3 does. 12 for 360 (of which 4 are exclusive) and only 5 for the PS3 (of which only 1 is exclusive), right?

    That says it all imo.
    Edited by 1 at 24/07/08 @ 17:03

  • IneptPercy #125 4 years ago

    The idea of buying a console for 1 game is a bit mad, but the problem is the list of games it took to get me to buy a PS3 is dwindling to the point of lets not bother.

    Going backwards games which I would have got a PS3 for are:

    Ace Combat - now 360 exclusive
    Final fantasy - Multi
    Devil May Cry - Multi
    Metal Gear Solid - PS3 exclusive

    Don't get me wrong there is other games I would consider when I do eventually buy a PS3 but the main reasons are no longer there, not just that to me one of the worse hits to the PS brand was the loss of capcom, don't get me wrong there were never officaially exclusive to the PS2 but near to it. Now some of the best games to come on the 360 are from them.

  • Kryon #126 4 years ago

    "Different people have different gaming tastes, and not everyone wants to play the games the 360 scores better on."

    That must mean that PS3 only owning folk must only play a total of 2 or 3 games, seeing as most of the good PS3 games (baring R&C, Uncharted & MGS4) can be played on the 360 as well and are in fact marginally better.

    Look, two years ago, I would have agreed with you. When games like RE5, FFXIII, DMC4, GTAIV, etc were expected to be Sony exclusive, yeah, there would have been a reason to get a PS3 on the promise of all those hopefully great sequels to all those great PS2 games. MS has now bought out the majority of the must have 'Sony exclusives'. So really now it just comes down to whether you want a blu-ray player or not tbh...

  • Kryon #127 4 years ago

    I know I shouldn't bother but I'm bored, so....

    So what if Fight Night round 3 scores better (it's on the Ps3 too, and only scored lower because it was a year older) than MLBThe show - one is baseball, the other boxing. Why would someone interested in baseball games buy Fight Night?

    Oh dear, we were discussing which system has the best games in each genre. I'm assuming you don't know what 'genre' means. I'll explain, both boxing and baseball are sports, hence fall under the 'sports' genre. Understand yet?

    So what if Gears scores exactly the same as MGS4? One is a 3rd person shooter, the other a stealth shooter. They pley differently

    LOL, exactly, so why did you tout MGS4 as the highest ranking '3rd person shooter' on metacritic? As I said in an earlier reply to you, I don't consider MGS4 a 3rd person shooter in the traditional sense.

  • SpaceMidget75 Verified Senior Software Developer, Minerva Computer Services #128 4 years ago

    Don't worry Kryon he's doing his hypocrite thing again.

  • Kryon #129 4 years ago

    @SpaceMidget75

    I know, it's headbog again, no one else is quite as retarded :(

  • Gradius #130 4 years ago

    Jesus! They should make school holidays illegal, otherwise you end up with people like blig_dork trying to integrate with the rest of society (and failing miserably) :(

  • Kryon #131 4 years ago

    blig_merk/Swam/Headbog (and all the other sock accounts you've made)

    What is the point? You constantly contradict yourself and when you realise you've lost the argument you completely move the gaol posts to suit your views. Anyway, what you're now saying is, the 360 has the larger more varied games library with vastly more high scoring games and five times the amount of exclusives but you just want me to understand that there are people who would rather own a PS3 even though it's lost exclusivity to its main big hitters like FFXIII, DMC, RE5, etc, and is generally worse when it comes to multi-platform titles.

    OK, point taken. There are Sony fanboys who will buy a Sony console even when there is little reason. OK, got it!

    Sorry 'blig' but I really can't be bothered with you anymore. It's seriously getting boring man...
    Edited by 1 at 25/07/08 @ 11:49

  • Gradius #132 4 years ago

    Seriously you lot, just put the imbecile CockSmirk on ignore, I now have and feel much better for it :)

    The post below this one is written by a cretin :)
    Edited by 1 at 25/07/08 @ 12:08