PS3 GTA IV almost certainly 630p

By Robert Purchese Published 29 April, 2008

But not necessarily inferior.

The PlayStation 3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV almost certainly runs in 630p.

Word spiralled from comparison shots by the same fellow responsible for outing Halo 3 as sub-HD, and the same chap who assists with our Face-Off screenshots before we show them to you.

However, Eurogamer's Face-Off compiler and resident big-brain Rich Leadbetter says that while the PS3 version may be a touch blurrier, it's not necessarily inferior. Far from it, in fact.

"It's worth noting that due to the post-processing effects the game employs (there's a serious amount of stuff being done to the raw frame), the PS3's lower resolution serves to mask a lot of the nasty after effects," said Leadbetter.

"For example, look at the dithering on the signs in the background on those shots. A bit ugly on Xbox 360, but smoothed and blurred away on PS3, presenting a generally nicer look."

Apparently the problem with pinning down the resolution previously was due to Rockstar releasing the bulk of its press shots on Xbox 360.

Look out for our full Grand Theft Auto IV Face-Off soon.

GTA IV is out today on PS3 and Xbox 360. You can buy it in shops, unless you queued up last night to get it, and lots of people did.

Picture of Robert.

About Robert Purchese

Bertie is Eurogamer's Senior Staff Writer. When he's not hunting down news stories he's often found playing with his kids or gabbling about fantasy games and strange online worlds.

Read more articles from Robert by visiting the Robert Purchese archive page.

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Comments (211) Latest comment 4 years ago

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  • Bealsy #1 4 years ago

    and may the abuse begin....

    "OMGZZZZZZ AN INSTALZ N ALSO RUBBISH 63oP OMGZZZZ TEH 360 iZ tEHh BEST"

    "WHAT baOUt TeH HAlozz"

    etc etc etc

  • killyourtv #2 4 years ago

    ZOMG!!!11 TeH Apocalypse iz HERE!! noooooooo...

  • kingnothing12 #3 4 years ago

    another generic comment regarding fanboys...yawnssss zzzz
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 10:24

  • Kryon #4 4 years ago

    Didn't Sony say that the 360 wasn't 'true HD'? LOL.

  • Nath4n #5 4 years ago

    Would post a comment but i'm off to HMV

  • Monkey_Puncher #6 4 years ago

    Here's big cup of 'I couldn't give a fuck, just play the damn game'

  • Jheronimus #7 4 years ago

    Take cover!!!

  • Kryon #8 4 years ago

    C-mon headbog (AKA swam), I just LOLed at the PS3, what say you?

  • Sud #9 4 years ago

    If I want more blur I'd just do it on my TV thank you.

  • Bealsy #10 4 years ago

    "I just LOLed at the PS3, what say you?"

    If you'd rofled that would be it. I've seen him when he sees a rofl, not a pretty sight.

  • Kryon #11 4 years ago

    @Bealsy

    I take your point.

    /thinks....

    PS3 LMFAO LOLLERSKATEZ! That should do it!

  • koji_m #12 4 years ago

    internet implosion imminent!

  • Dizzy #13 4 years ago

    True HD begins when we say it has. :)

    So not yet I guess.

    /coat

    THB Halo 3 and CoD4 are lower res as well and look awesome. In the case of Halo it was done to improve the lighting and in the case of CoD4 (and GTA) it was done to get the framerate up.

    /not coming back to this thread
    Edited by 2 at 29/04/08 @ 10:33

  • miiiguel #14 4 years ago

    OMG, Halo 3 sucked because of this! Now what ?

    Come on, do the spin for me baby!
    Spin it! SPin it! The most ridicule way! Do it!
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 10:32

  • monkie_king #15 4 years ago

    And if you can see the difference either way when you're actually playing the game, you're an android.

  • Psiloc #16 4 years ago

    OMFG

  • Kryon #17 4 years ago

    630p is pretty much Wii graphics ain't it? Even the Atari Jaguar can do 800 x 576 pixels GLULZ!!!!111!!!!

  • miiiguel #18 4 years ago

    Oh the Jaggies! Halo is sub-HD therefor Jaggy and shit..., ahahahah!, now what????

    Come on do the spin, so I can cut/paste some of the dozens of coments that spawned in EVERY thread about Halo 3 graphics not beeing HD!

    on a semi-serious tone: if PS3's didn't bash everything 360 they didn't have to face the facts so bluntly.
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 10:38

  • Krusty #19 4 years ago

    BAN THIS SICK FILTH... oops, wrong thread!

    /waits for postie

  • Xerx3s #20 4 years ago

    /sets up shop

    GET YOUR WEAPONS HERE! MELEE WEAPONS HALF PRICE!!

  • miiiguel #21 4 years ago

    I'm sure it looks good as Halo does, though. Too bad some kept bashing Halo's poor graphics which they are not, just because, and that's the sad part.

    Peace.

    /coffee time/

  • bad09 #22 4 years ago

    God hear we go AGAIN, it's like groundhog day :)

    To be honest though, who the hell cares!!!! I didn't care H3 run at whatever res, it looked and played great which is ALL that matters. All this does is give the saddos something to bicker about (have you seen the GTA review thread?).

  • Kryon #23 4 years ago

    @Xerx3s

    I'll have a +1 Axe of Orgrimmar, my good man.

  • Stu #24 4 years ago

    Who cares?

  • Xerx3s #25 4 years ago

    That'll be 5 quid my dear man. Remember our one minute return policy.

  • NickN4ck #26 4 years ago

    Halo 3 shows a lot of jaggies because of 630p, I expect the PS3 version of GTA IV to be a jag fest on LCD monitors or HD TV's.

  • monkie_king #27 4 years ago

    I presume that if you play in 1080p, then the 360's upscaling from the 720p buffer will have a similar "smoothing" effect? Whereas the PS3 is going to just look more blurry at 1080p, having been scaled all the way up from 630p?

    Can anyone confirm/refute that logic? It leads me to believe that the 360 should have the edge for people on a 1080p telly, if not for 720p peeps.

    edit: I mean from a hypothetical pause-and-stare- obsessively-at-the-pixels standpoint, the real world difference while it's in motion is probably pretty imperceptible.
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 10:50

  • Moz #28 4 years ago

    The dithering is a little nasty, but give R* a brake this is there first in house 3D engine the only test run it had was table tennis!!

    The game still looks very pretty (If a little too hazy during the day cycle) give them another year and the next outing of Graphics engine will look even better.

  • neil_likes_bums #29 4 years ago

    If you care about this more than shooting people and humping ladies of the night - you have a problem. Another option would be to play GTA.

  • DFawkes #30 4 years ago

    OMG! As everyone knows, being under HD means the gameplay will be awful, the soundtrack will be rendered unlistenable, the controls won't work, the mission structure will be linear with no freedom, and it will cause cancer.

  • Arnold__ #31 4 years ago

    But... but... but IGN said the PS3 version was 'technically more accomplished'?
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 10:54

  • JOHNTIKIS #32 4 years ago

    They both look identical.How about the frame rate?

  • monkie_king #33 4 years ago

    Idiot Gamers Network, you mean?

  • monkie_king #34 4 years ago

    There's definitely a bit of a depth-of-field being applied on some shots I've seen, so maybe it's intentionally muddy in the middle distance?

  • Garulon #35 4 years ago

    The posterisation on the PS3 pavement is absolutely fucking dire. Remember kids if it's the PS3 that's under ressed it's a Good Thing

  • RazorObsession #36 4 years ago

    Interesting. Its a shame the 360 version didn't give you the option to install if you had the hard drive and requisite space, though maybe if Rockstar had done that, it might well have performed better than the PS3 so as to be noticeable to the naked eye, possibly putting an end to the fanboy/console war.

    All wars are profitable to the people selling the guns, and if the fanboy/console war were to end then the arms manufacturers (MS, Sony, Ninty) would make a lot less guns, and the ammo/software guys would sell less bullets. or something. its been a hard day, GTAing it up. analogies fail me atm.

  • Kryon #37 4 years ago

    <a href=http://uk.y outube.com/watch?v=KfmBzllkbUM>Here</a> is a song on YouTube that I feel is relevant to this thread ;)

  • aldo_14 #38 4 years ago

    So much for the HD era, then? It seems that neither console can do 1080p to any significant degree, not least when it makes it look worse for those running at 720p.

    It looks like apples and oranges to me (not literally), anyways. From what I can tell, there's more than just a resolution difference in output anyways. I have to admit still being torn as to which version is 'better' based on everything I've read so far.

  • miiiguel #39 4 years ago

    I predict the vanishing of the "oh my god Halo 3 is more like Halo 2.5, as it's not even HD" coments. Thank you Rockstar, and most of all, thank you PS3!

  • neilka #40 4 years ago

    HMV are charging 4499p.

  • JDub #41 4 years ago

    To settle this, R* should do a special XBL/PSN MP hookup weekend. The end.

  • monkie_king #42 4 years ago

    Think they should have gone for more of a stylised look really, maybe not gone so far as Crackdown, but cranked up that paint filter a bit more, maybe.

  • Xerx3s #43 4 years ago

    "Good God, duck and cover time..."

    Just like with a nuke, that won't do you any good. It's better to set up a chair and enjoy the fireworks.

  • chrisjm #44 4 years ago

    R* will be too busy swimming in £50 notes and snorting gold dust to care

  • Xerx3s #45 4 years ago

    "To settle this, R* should do a special XBL/PSN MP hooker weekend. The end."

    fixed.

  • ccfb #46 4 years ago

    Utter non news. This kind of crap should stay in forums.

  • blender #47 4 years ago

    so if i smear my camera with vasiline it is superior

  • Jheronimus #48 4 years ago

    @ Xerx3s

    What are the prices on the +4 baseball bats of fanbo1ism?

  • seasidebaz #49 4 years ago

    hmmmm i await my 90p discount then.

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #50 4 years ago

    so if i smear my camera with vasiline it is superior

    For some purposes, yes. Like smooth insertion.

  • miiiguel #51 4 years ago

    PS3's version is GTA 3.5 ?

  • DjFlex52 #52 4 years ago

    +@Mentalist(air)

    50 comments in and this thread is still pretty lighthearted :)

  • miiiguel #53 4 years ago

    McGooch, it's allover the internertzzzz... .

    Still kinda pathetic, in a funny kinda way. So the Halo 2.5 was, and much more boring, as we had to read it in *every* thread.

  • gerald #54 4 years ago

    Why play the game and have some fun, when you also can count pixels and grieve for some missing ones.

  • Kryon #55 4 years ago

    @DjFlex52

    Hmm, that's because the high level SDF haven't shown up yet, give it time ;)

  • DjFlex52 #56 4 years ago

    Hmm, that's because the high level SDF haven't shown up yet, give it time ;)

    @Kryon

    630p res. added to the outbreak of PS3 GTA IV game freezes might mean that the SDF wont not show up at all :)

  • onyxbox #57 4 years ago

    doesn't this kind of journalism break one of EG's new year resolutions?

    i seem to remember they weren't going to get get involved in petty stuff like this.

  • Widge #58 4 years ago

    Is this really 360 bias? An article that says in a nutshell that at 630p, the PS3 version comes out looking the nicer?

  • moggsy #59 4 years ago

    Looking at the two screen shots in the link there's really not much in it (I can barely see a difference in the sign).

    If you don't play with your nose pressed against your screen you should be fine ;-)

  • seasidebaz #60 4 years ago

    or maybe the highlevel sdf are actually, you know, PLAYING THE GAME?

    read the article. it might run at 630p but it looks better than the 360 version, apparently.

    just hope my copy turns up today...

  • Widge #61 4 years ago

    moggsy, I insert 2 x HDMI leads directly into my eye sockets, these things are important to me

  • aldo_14 #62 4 years ago

    eurogamer's 360 bias comes to the fore once again. almost every review I've read states the PS3 version generally looks better and has far less pop-in. then the morning the game is released they run this non-news story in an attempt to elevate the 360 version and of course to bait the fanboys. it's pathetic.

    They make it pretty clear it's not an attempt to elevate the 360; note the subtag 'but not necessarily inferior' and the quote "However, Eurogamer's Face-Off compiler and resident big-brain Rich Leadbetter says that while the PS3 version may be a touch blurrier, it's not necessarily inferior. Far from it, in fact."

    Methinks you're being a wee bit paranoid.

    Also, for people considering which version (or even console) to buy, this sort of stuff can be important. Especially if they're too impatient to wait for the comparison feature.
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 12:02

  • Kryon #63 4 years ago

    "or maybe the highlevel sdf are actually, you know, PLAYING THE GAME? "

    Baz, you're clearly not playing the game though, are you...

  • Stormflood #64 4 years ago

    After wasting good gaming time comparing the 2 versions by flicking between inputs at the same points in the game, I can honestly say that you'll be hard pressed to tell the difference. If anything, the PS3 version looks a little more 'real', but the 360 version is sharper but consequential more pixellated with the dithering in shadows. This 630p situation isn't like Halo 3 at all - that was just aliased as hell. In the case of GTA on PS3, it's somehow lessened the jaggies.

    Like just about every objective reviewer has stated, choose the one for the system you own, or the system your friends will be playing on online. No version is better or worse, just different.

    Me? I chose the 360 version because most my mates will be on it. I'll still hang on to the PS3 version though, just in case.... well, I won't tempt fate ;)

  • moggsy #65 4 years ago

    @ widge

    'moggsy, I insert 2 x HDMI leads directly into my eye sockets, these things are important to me'

    I'm not going to ask where you insert the optical sound cable but I bet it's not into your ear... :-O

  • Wyrm #66 4 years ago

    50000 posts.

    Also, lol.

  • Wyrm #67 4 years ago

    And how did this not come up in any reviews? Hmm?

  • miiiguel #68 4 years ago

    "it might run at 630p but it looks better than the 360 version, apparently. "


    Which only proves that "Love is in the eye of the beholder", don't bother us with facts.

  • Kryon #69 4 years ago

    Sony Bi-Arse

  • des #70 4 years ago

    Late to the party eurogamer

  • Widge #71 4 years ago

    someone asked me at work today if he could get it on the DS

  • miiiguel #72 4 years ago

    And it wont run in your PS3 either.

  • Rash' #73 4 years ago

    This is disappointing. It's one of those things the can bug you if you're that way inclined (looks around). It's interesting though the general opinion seems to still put the PS3 version as the better "looking" game.

    /dithers for a response/ sorry, couldn't resist :o)
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 12:26

  • DjFlex52 #74 4 years ago

    They're heeeere!

    SDF roll call please ;)

  • TriggerHippie #75 4 years ago

    Well this is moot for me as Microsoft have sent me back my 360 5 fucking times now, every time as broken as the last. It hasn't worked since April 2007. Useless Cunts.

  • Kryon #76 4 years ago

    LOL!

  • seasidebaz #77 4 years ago

    i'm not playing cos i'm at work. and don't have it yet.

    but when i do get it, i will be enjoying all 630 lines as much as the xbots enjoy their 720, and all without the bad dithering ;)

    i tell you, if half the people on here loved a woman as much as they love their 360's.... well there'd be a few million more redrings to contend with. and not quite so many mad zealots on eurogamer.

  • DjFlex52 #78 4 years ago

    Sorry, swam...there's no forum posters stating 360 crashes...only PS3.
    look it up in google...kotaku is trying not to be biased...thats all

    edit:
    "but when i do get it, i will be enjoying all 630 lines as much as the xbots enjoy their 720, and all without the bad dithering ;)"

    @seasidebaz

    why can't they just be xbox 360 owners...why are all owners xbots? You're really flashing that SDF ID card, aren't you?
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 12:31

  • miiiguel #79 4 years ago

    YEAH! That's what I'm talking about!:


    And now, dedicated to swam and friends:
    "Well I...I set my sights on you
    (and no one else will do)
    And I, I've got to have my way now, baby
    (and no one else will do)
    And I, I've got to have my way now, baby
    All I know is that to me
    You look like you're havin' fun
    Open up your lovin' arms
    Watch out, here I come

    *You spin me right round, baby
    right round like a record, baby
    Right round round round
    You spin me right round, baby
    Right round like a record, baby
    Right round round round"
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 12:31

  • hula hoops #80 4 years ago

    so if i smear my camera with vasiline it is superior

    It would certainly feel better in the arse than without the vaseline ...

    ... wait you were talking about camera not dildo, my bad.

  • rudedudejude #81 4 years ago

    haha, console nonces moaning about some blur in the game, hilarious.

    just play the fucking thing and enjoy it.

    case closed.

  • DjFlex52 #82 4 years ago

    "but when i do get it, i will be enjoying all 630 lines as much as the xbots enjoy their 720, and all without the bad dithering ;)"

    btw, seasidebaz, is there such a thing as good dithering?

  • SirClive #83 4 years ago

    These comparisons are the most boring thing on EG. How about talking about which plays best. Does the 360 controller work as well as the PS3's etc instead of all this pop up/framerate/screen blur balls that most of us won't even notice.

  • Garulon #84 4 years ago

    Of course not, the PS3 controller is shit.

    "What is funny is that all those 360 owners who were *CONVINCED* they would get the superior looking version are now on damage control. "

    What is funny is the 360 owners haven't made a big deal of the PS3 version of an AAA title being once again borked. Maybe we're just better than you.

  • Kryon #85 4 years ago

    The SDF rap by MC swam (feat. DJ C-Side BAZ and MC genital Rash*)


    Everyday we fight the power
    MS haunts our darkest hour
    But the SDF will never cower
    Coz we display, TURTLE POWER!

    630p, it's good enough for me!
    Games look better with a bit of Jaggy!
    Forced installs only take ten secs
    about as long as I last at sex.

    The XBOTS try to diss on the TRIPLE
    Just becoz der mumz a cripple
    Crap ported games don't make us sour
    Coz we display, TURTLE POWER.



  • miiiguel #86 4 years ago

    @ evilfox: "Well I've now played both versions and I find that the PS3 version has a smoother and more pleasing look to it. I can't really explain it and it isn't even that noticable, but it's there. "
    I know..., take a look:



    "evilfoxhound
    14-Apr-08 18:26:46 "anyone who uses the term "Xbots" is approx. 12 years old"

    Same goes for 360 users who always type PS3LOL. Only they are 11. "

    evilfoxhound
    10-Apr-08 20:03:52 I'm sure we would have heared about this sooner if it was as bad as the RROD numbers. Move on Sony bashers, nice try.
    ignore poster

    evilfoxhound
    25-Apr-08 12:55:04 I feel that the war will end like this

    1.Wii
    2.PS3
    3.360

    Without the full support of Europe and especially Japan, the 360 just won't be able to beat the PS3 in the end. Like it or not.
    ignore poster
    "


    loadsa more..., but I think I helped you out understanding the "esoteric" reasons you couldn't explain.
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 12:46

  • secombe #87 4 years ago

    I'm amazed this is even an issue, the GTA games never exactly been shining examples of graphical excellence before.

  • DjFlex52 #88 4 years ago

    lol@miiiguel

    Good one!
    And we were all waiting for evilfoxhound's unbiased opinion, miiiguel.

  • Calgon #89 4 years ago

    First off Sonybots quit crying, you got super defensive over this because you wanted to beleive you had a "technical edge" well this technical edge turned out to be the OPPOSITE.

    Also neither version came out better than the other overall, you may have banked too much on GTA IV I remember some of those posts in the last face-off: "just you wait Xbots, GTA: IV will be the face off to watch ;)" to that effect as if you were expecting a some big upset... oh dear oh dear, what happened? Perhaps wait and see next time, like everyone else does and you wont feel foolish and have to defend silly comments with a small handfull of comments scattered in a few reviews.

    Its not 'everyone' as far as reviews go thats given PS3 the edge its IGN mainly and a couple who've agreed(might be a sign of lazyness/copying?) and its blantantly obvious in light of the facts that they didnt have a clue what they are talking about, infact everyone who said it has had a small point deducted off their reputation IMO.

    As someone else said elsewhere, maybe it was pre-emptive strike pushed for by either Sony or Rockstar themselves? Same with the pre-orders thing ASDA? Come on what happened to Game or Amazon? Maybe the PS3 version needed a bit more of a push than the 360 version?

  • DjFlex52 #90 4 years ago

    I love the 360 as much as my PS3.

    @evilfoxhound

    ermm...since when?

  • zedzee #91 4 years ago

    Well, let's not forget that the main reason for the delay of releasing GTA-IV on its original pre-Xmas 07 slot was 'technical problems' with the PS3 version; that much is FACT and is part of history, because RockStar admitted as much in public and the news was carried by a few on-line rags.

    I'm not really surprised that the X360 version was used for all the screenshots, that's because it's been sitting in the RockStar development code safe for over a year probably, waiting for Sony to come in and help RockStar make their version work properly.

    I'm not being nasty to Sony, I own a PS2 and PSP, I'm merely quoting facts and have the ability to read between the (head)lines.

  • miiiguel #92 4 years ago

    evilfox: chill dude. If you love your PS3 as much as your 360 you must hate it, judging by your comments, should I paste more?
    Anyway, I do own 3 next-gen console, not "real next-gen" ones, but I do. ;)
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 13:00

  • dsmx #93 4 years ago

    @zedzee Can you provide a link to that news storey I don't remember rockstar ever saying which console was holding up GTA4, I remember them saying each had it's own difficulties but I don't remember them saying the ps3 was holding up the game. I do remember an analyst saying that it was the ps3 but since analysts at best are right 50% of the time that's not a reliable source.

  • DjFlex52 #94 4 years ago

    However. When other 360 owners start attacking other consoles for no reason (happens a lot) I feel that I need to step in and point some facts out about the 360. It's not as perfect as most 360 owners think it is. And to tell you the truit, I sometimes feel ashamed to be a 360 owner when I read some comments.

    @evilfoxhound

    But you don't feel ashamed to be a PS3 owner with some of the comments that came from gamers and Sony alike since 2006?
    Sony had us think the PS3 was the second coming of gaming nirvana with twice the power of the 360...not true
    Add to that, Sony fans on the internet making excuses for all the mistakes Sony made for the last 18 months while lampooning the 360, ad nauseum.
    But you feel ashamed to be a 360 owner?...The GALL!

  • hula hoops #95 4 years ago

    swam:

    I am confused. Your last link shows an article about Sony PS3 having worse lock up problems than Xbox 360.

    How could you give link to that article here?

    I thought you were a Sony PS3 lover ... have you changed allegiance now?

  • warbo #96 4 years ago

    All of the released media being from the 360 version suggests that 360 was the lead platform, and GTAIV was intended to look like that. The delays might've have changed the course of the PS3 version.

    It's possible that Dan Houser's comments (damage control for the resolution?) about prefering the "softer" look of the PS3 version, may have influenced reviewers slightly. Upscaling from a lower resolution will soften an image, and if the PS3 version has Quincunx AA, that'll soften/blur it further still and smooth out the dithering. B3D were comparing framebuffer captures to screens from a HD video in that comparison so the difference might not be as noticeable in-game.

    It'dl be pretty funny if the 360 is is actually doing more with ~30% more pixels, yet people universaly prefer the PS3 version for its upscaled look. That's unless the PS3 version is actually doing more in other areas rather than just being a little blurrier.
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 13:09

  • miiiguel #97 4 years ago

    188 days ago:
    "evilfoxhound
    07-Nov-07 12:54:24 360's don't last for one year, nevermind many LOL "

    100 days ago:
    "evilfoxhound
    13-Nov-07 12:47:06 Why do XCOCKS always post on PS3 news articles?? I've come to the conclusion that 360 owners don't like playing on their 360's becasue they are all in fucking PS3 forums writing crap like "PS3LOL". God I hate teenagers LOL. "

    I mean... I tried to find 1 (one... o-n-e) post where you showed your "same love", but couldn't.

    Anyway, chill, no need to name-call, imo.

  • Vice.Destroyer #98 4 years ago

    quoted from seasidebaz

    i tell you, if half the people on here loved a woman as much as they love their 360's.... well there'd be a few million more redrings to contend with. and not quite so many mad zealots on eurogamer.

    +1
    Best comment regarding fanboys ever.

  • DjFlex52 #99 4 years ago

    i tell you, if half the people on here loved a woman as much as they love their PS3's.... well there'd be a few million more redrings to contend with. and not quite so many mad zealots on eurogamer.

    Fixed ;)

  • seasidebaz #100 4 years ago

    @kryon: that rap was ace :)

    just to point out, though, i'm not technically a member of the sdf... or do they usually have 7580 gamerpoints? hehe

    does seem like there is a lot of defending the 360 going on right now though, and i mean far more than usual...

  • DjFlex52 #101 4 years ago

    (As for the name calling in one of my posts. I was bated and was simply reacting to others who were also name calling)

    @evilfoxhound

    Bullshit...you called miiiguel a dickhead...noone else.

  • seasidebaz #102 4 years ago

    @djflex:

    nice try, but the ps3 doesn't redring :p

  • seasidebaz #103 4 years ago

    @swam: ps3 is not cheaper

  • DjFlex52 #104 4 years ago

    Games are starting to look the same, f not better than 360 versions (despite the 360 still being the loead development platform for the majority of 3rd party games),

    @swam

    The point is that games were supposed to look much BETTER on PS3 not just look the same...at least according to Ken Kutaragi.

  • DjFlex52 #105 4 years ago

    @djflex:

    nice try, but the ps3 doesn't redring :p

    @seasidebaz

    you got me, baz :)

    DjFlex52 - 11
    seasidebaz - 1
    swam - 1
    hmmm....just like the 360 versus PS3 battles...heh
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 13:21

  • MightyMouse #106 4 years ago

    126 comments and I can see 85 of them... sounds like non-news to me.

  • DjFlex52 #107 4 years ago

    If you are still upset by marketing houpla from 3 or 4 years ago, you are indeed sad.

    @swam

    Why would I be upset?...I've been over stocked with games to play since 2006.
    You're the one who's been missing out and are stilll upset about it.

  • seasidebaz #108 4 years ago

    @swam:

    read your post wrong, sorry :)

  • penhalion #109 4 years ago

    Does no-one recognise irony when it slaps so many faces?

    Examples

    Reviewers have been saying the PS3 version is the more technically achieved version due to it's softer superior look.
    Gamers have been quoting less pop-up.

    It then turns out that the PS3 has actually been shifting 30% less image data than the 360 and it's smooth look is down to scaling filters.

    I had to laugh out loud when I realised that GTA 4 looks worse when it hasn't been upscaled and blurred. Having finally played it in a home environment on a 40inch HD-TV, the graphics are disapointing ( the game is very good though). Put's those overhyped 10/10 reviews in perspective now though.

    Was it public enemy who said so long ago "Don't! Don't! Don't believe the hype"

    Maybe gamers should chant that to themselves every time there is a major release. Maybe then we wouldn't have 600 post long threads with idiots bickering about technical stuff they don't actually seem to understand anyway.

  • MrGilder #110 4 years ago

    Who cares... I can play the game on my PS3 and it looks great..

  • des #111 4 years ago

    Higher resolution=better detail and better image quality,anyone suggesting otherwise is just being silly.
    No amount of post-processing is going to make 480p dvd look like a 1080p blu-ray,upscaling is always noticeable,but yes it can look good enough(for some).

    There is lot of subjectivity involved in this especially with sony fans,they wanted some multiplatform game to be better,it is like when you fall in love and you think that the girl is perfect,but after couple weeks you notice that she is not so hot,looks crappy in the morning and farts in the bed.

    Of course from a technical standpoint it is a disappointment that the ps3 version is 630p, pointless to deny that,i am sure that rockstar targeted 720p for both consoles.
    Of course none of this matters to the masses,they just want to blow cars and have fun

  • Hughes. #112 4 years ago

    630p?

    I paid nearly forty bastard quid!

    I should check the bargains thread more often.

  • Xerx3s #113 4 years ago

    Awwww, isn't he cute?

  • mcmonkeyplc #114 4 years ago

    Wow I had no idea the comments section was this fun!

    /popcorn

  • mkreku #115 4 years ago

    How weak are these consoles anyway?? My computer is a mid-range computer, but I never play anything below 1280x1024 with everything on full (except Crysis..). If I connect it to my TV, I play it using 1920x1080! Both these consoles SUCK compared to my aging PC [/troll]

    Now release the damn game on PC too. And don't come saying "we can't because of piracy on the PC", just look at what was released on torrent sites a week before release!

  • 4cough #116 4 years ago

    PS3, Never fails to disappoint.

  • septimus #117 4 years ago

    Yay, the nail in the coffin for PS3 eh Eurogamer? Bet you can't wait for the face-off loling.

  • penhalion #118 4 years ago

    @swam

    my bad I forgot to count those extra 195840 pixels at the edges of the screen. I was too busy playing the PS3 version.

    Edit: My mates just come to get his PS3 copy that I picked up for him yesterday so I guess I'll have to actually open my 360 version now bugger!
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 14:45

  • anamenos #119 4 years ago

    Sadly the PS3 owners trying to convince their self that they are playing the better version of the game...
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 14:48

  • seasidebaz #120 4 years ago

    hehe toptrumps rule

    xmb: adverts - 0
    dashboard: adverts - 10

    xbox wins! i lose my ps3!

    lol

  • Calgon #121 4 years ago

    Utter hypocrisy from the usuals Baz is blatantly a SDF member as is Swam(who's deffinately putting in overtime on the damge control))... Im just pointing fun at the Sony fanboys who religiously attack anyone who prefers something over the PS3 thats the crux of it more often than not.

    Makes me sick that some are trying to say its a 360 problem... hello? Where've you been the last 5 fuckin years? Its called backlash, of course they give it you back you idiots(and to point something out I dont do trolling... trolls annoy me where they have no place infact... so if you arent interested in/dont like something fair enough, stay out of the discussions perhaps?), either grin and bare it or grow the fuck up and stop with the needless attacks and bashing yourselves. Pre-launch its was all fun and games for the Sony fanboys now theyve had a taste of it the rattles have been thrown from their prams so to speak and suddenly "everyone is pickin on Sony :("

    The funny thing is I bet more often than not these "Xbots" are mearly taking the piss out of the SDF types... I mean "Sonybot" is an example Sonybot is just a mockery of their loonacy.
    Edited by 2 at 29/04/08 @ 15:09

  • Widge #122 4 years ago

    bcolter

    is that not the indication from the article you're posting on in the comments thread?
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 15:01

  • monkie_king #123 4 years ago

    So if you play at 1080p, presumably the upscaling will smooth out the 360's dithering, and make it look like the PS3, only less blurry?

  • seasidebaz #124 4 years ago

    @calgon: shame i like the 360, then. i just enjoy winding up complete strangers.

    i will end up getting another 360 one day, but at the moment my ps3 is keeping me happy enough, especially as i don't have much time for games anyway.

    what would really speed up my purchase is if the gta4 dlc contains a tank, a radio station presented by fernando, and a remote control republican space marine. that explodes.

    oh, and some lollerskates.

    [edit: typo]
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 15:08

  • mcmonkeyplc #125 4 years ago

    Perhaps they had to reduce the res to fit it all on a blu-ray....oh wait.

  • Calgon #126 4 years ago

    Sure Seasidebaz the thing is I dont care if you own a PS3 only or both PS3 and 360, its the super defensive or even attack minded behavior that bothers me... to be fair you're not so bad for it(I was talking in general there are more of those types for the PS3, perhaps due to its 3rd place position, I dont know nor do I care its just very noticable and annoying) a little defensive and totally bias but reasonable to some extent.
    Edited by 2 at 29/04/08 @ 15:15

  • seasidebaz #127 4 years ago

    thank you very much :) i learned it at school, while defending the snes against the segaboys... i like to think of it as "protecting my investment"

    :)

    edit: oh, and i used to attack the 360 while i still had one. or rather, attack my mates whose 360's had all rrod'd while mine worked perfectly for the 8 months i had it... good times, good times....
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 15:18

  • Rash' #128 4 years ago

    Calgon, Friend I would respect your views more if they weren't so one sided. I don't care whether you have the system or not, your M$ biase is veering toward realms of fandom.

  • Calgon #129 4 years ago

    Seasidebaz:
    :) well done did it go something like this?
    "I ope UR PS3 Blowz ups innit!!! You should sell that Peice ofShit 3 or that means you suck Kaz Hirai's d*** Sony is the evil and will destroy games forever!" ect sorry you'll have to teach me how to be that cool lol ;)
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 15:24

  • Calgon #130 4 years ago

    Rash' well same could be said of you on occasion. I do prefer the 360 but thats about it, dont own it yet, dont troll PS3 forums "preaching the truth" ect or even just starting arguements there... depends what your definition of fanboy is I think everyone has their own idea of that.

  • seasidebaz #131 4 years ago

    @calgon:

    no it was more like, "your xbox is shite, you xbot, serves you right for being such a fanboy and buying shit quality consoles. you wanna play gears tonight? oh wait, you can't, can you, cos you don't have an xbox anymore. looks like i'll be playing it while you sit there and cry!"

    lol i was right nasty a year ago :)

  • warbo #132 4 years ago

    I don't know if it's been mentioned here yet, but the PS3 resolution is confirmed as 1152x640 (640p) with no AA. The 360 version is 1280x720 with 2xAA.

    So, the 360 version is doing all that extra work for nothing? Upscaling is the new AA?
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 15:44

  • Rash' #133 4 years ago

    Calgon, I have a biase more towards PS3 yes, but I remain as objective as I can by being as informed as I can be. I get the impression you only see things that suit your biased agenda.

  • Rash' #134 4 years ago

    warbo, could you link that???

  • DjFlex52 #135 4 years ago

    Calgon, I have a biase more towards PS3 yes, but I remain as objective as I can by being as informed as I can be. I get the impression you only see things that suit your biased agenda.

    @Rash'

    hey rash, don't mean to butt in but how can you be biased and objective simultaneously?

  • Calgon #136 4 years ago

    Rash nonsense... Im not tooting my own horn here but Im more informed than you going of the breif encounters we've had so far and thats the truth. I dont have an agenda(well maybe Im anti-sonybot a bit but they are so annoying arent they? ;) ) as such but I will stamp out hyperbole and misinformation if I see it.
    Edited by 2 at 29/04/08 @ 15:54

  • Rash' #137 4 years ago

    DjFlex52, I have a biased which I admit to, but I try to be objective otherwise rational thinking would go out the window (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) ah, Calgon?

  • warbo #138 4 years ago

    http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1154470&p ostcount=624

    There's more detail and good 720p captures from both versions elsewhere in that thread

    Edited by 4 at 29/04/08 @ 15:57

  • Calgon #139 4 years ago

    Rash' where have you shown objectivity where I havent out of interest just because you dont like what you hear it doesnt mean it isnt objective.

  • bioreit #140 4 years ago

    /sets shoulders to brace for impact of joining thread

    @ swam

    "[link url=http://fo rums.gametrailers.com/showthrea...
    ]http://fo rums.gametrailers.com/showthrea...[/link]

    "When I drive too fast, the game freezes. Just freezes. I have to reboot my 360 manually.

    Niceeeee. And it's an import, so I can't go to the shop to exchange it. Double nice.

    Anyone else having this problem?"

    and

    [link url=http://ww w.computerandvideogames.com/art...
    ]http://ww w.computerandvideogames.com/art...[/link]

    "A handful of Xbox 360 consoles have also allegedly locked up, "


    Now crawl back under your XBF rock.     "

    Nice links. You first one has a bloke state that he was playing an import copy of GTA IV, so couldn't take it back. Shame he doesn't say imported from where to where, seeing as your second link (CVG) has also released an article about GTA IV being region-locked, therefore meaning import play shouldn't work.

    Unless, of course, you are going to come up with some kind of 'OMG! CVG are biased against PS3 (in that article)" shocker?

    Fanboy-spin-for-the-win!

  • Rash' #141 4 years ago

    Calgon, Being informed and acknowledging that knowledge are two different things. You may well be more informed than I on certain matters, but I suspect you are selective of the knowledge you adhere to.

  • GamesConnoisseur #142 4 years ago

    Bored with the fanboyism, but interested in why did R* taken the steps as they did with resolution for PS3? If it was to lessen the hits on the comparative performance but the bonus is that the game looking better on PS3, why not take same steps with X360 as it worked for Halo 3 and other games as well?

    Or did they thought well leave it well alone as performing reasonably well? Did this perhaps indicate that the extra months delaying the release were more to do with tweaking PS3 overall performance (frame rates, AA etc) rather than ensuring all contents fitted onto limited DVD space for X360? Maybe its actually both?!

    Questions like those are meaningless to the gamers who are now avidly enjoying the game, and I am going back to it after this post! I m only disappointed that GTA4 will take me away from MSO and aware only have limited time until end of Beta.

  • Atropos #143 4 years ago

    Having played both versions, I'd go for the PS3 version every time - for one simple reason: My 5.1 home cinema speakers actually have trouble drowning out the sound of the X360; I actually have trouble hearing the dialogue over it's aircraft-engine whine...

  • Rash' #144 4 years ago

    Calgon, as I said your posts are very one sided, singing lyrically about 360 and if the opposite is state than you feel compelled to refute it. That smacks of subjectivity on the scale of fandom.

    Case in point, if I said PS3 is technically the more powerful system, that would eat you up in side and I'm sure you wouldn't be able to let it go until you've spent the next hour debating the validatity of such statement (not that I want to, the matter is to complex as most know).
    Edited by 2 at 29/04/08 @ 16:08

  • Calgon #145 4 years ago

    Did this perhaps indicate that the extra months delaying the release were more to do with tweaking PS3 overall performance (frame rates, AA etc) rather than ensuring all contents fitted onto limited DVD space for X360? Maybe its actually both?!


    Might be a bit of both but there was that dev who leaked info a few months back about the PS3 version lagging behind in framerate and load times(without the install) so I would say its probably more to do with the PS3.
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 16:06

  • Kryon #146 4 years ago

    @bcolter

    "By the way, where is Apologie? Looking for something to cut and paste?"

    LOL :D I think Apololol has kinda retired from trolling, there was an epic battle between him, myself, ronuds and Yaz last Christmas and I don't think Apolol ever completely recovered from utter destruction we brought upon him, poor guy :'(

    @Calgon

    "The funny thing is I bet more often than not these "Xbots" are mearly taking the piss out of the SDF types."

    This is pretty much true I reckon, I love my PS3 (playing Tekken online just can't be beat imo) but I love watching headbog/swam crying like little girls, it's kind of a fetish I have :D

  • DjFlex52 #147 4 years ago

    Having played both versions, I'd go for the PS3 version every time - for one simple reason: My 5.1 home cinema speakers actually have trouble drowning out the sound of the X360; I actually have trouble hearing the dialogue over it's aircraft-engine whine...

    @Atropos

    Please go back to your silent PS3 game.
    Though, you must have some really shitty 5.1 speakers :)

    /shakes head in disbelief

  • Calgon #148 4 years ago

    Rash' yours show every bit as much bias if not more, I do prefer the 360... is that the real problem you have?

    edit: Oh I see you want to tell everyone PS3 is the most powerfull(or the 360 is holding it back somehow or whatever else youve been lead to beleive)and I wont let you, is that it?... well Id disagree with that yes, I do have good reason to beleive so and I could back that up(just found a post from a PS3 dev last night on Beyond3D that supports some of the things that have been said before further) but Im objective enough to admit the PS3 is a good console in its own right(and media-player/centre too) theres just too much hyperbole and misinformation surrounding it... What does the 360 have to do to get some props it seems everything is swepth under the rug to keep the Sony fans happy.
    Edited by 3 at 29/04/08 @ 16:23

  • djed #149 4 years ago

    i'll wait for the wii version. The game needs more interactive ways to beat up hookers and cops.

  • bioreit #150 4 years ago

    @ GamesConnoisseur

    Good point re: resolution changes. It does seem odd that by reducing the resolution but slightly blurring/dithering/lubing up the image they could get better engine performance with either an unnoticeable image quality reduction or a slight image improvement on the PS3, but then not do the same trick for 360.

    Maybe the development was too far down the road on 360 (as all reports suggest it was the lead platform, what with the majority of promo shots coming from the 360 version) to effect the change, whereas the PS3 was done later, so could have more significant changes made.

    Or maybe they figured out how to fix certain issues on the 360, but didn't have time / resources to actually implement them, but could take that knowledge with them into the PS3 development.

    Would be an interesting question to pose them, anyhow.

  • IronCladChicken #151 4 years ago

    Sounds like the PS3 version is having a lot more problems than a lower res (not that the XBox version isnt having issues of it's own);

    GTA 4 plagued with bugs?
    http://ww w.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n...

  • Subquest #152 4 years ago

    As a PC gamer my experience tells me its better to run at a slightly lower res at high settings, than a higher res at lower settings. Don't own either console, I'm just waiting for the inevitable announcement of a PC release. Just hope it ain't too long.

  • bioreit #153 4 years ago

    @ IronCladChicken

    You had my interest up until I noticed you linked The Inquirer.

    Then you just had my disdain.

    /goes off to shoot some bally foreign-types for treading on mother's croquet lawn

  • Rash' #154 4 years ago

    Calgon, I guess the problem I have is your high brow attitdute to fanboys when on occasions the intensity of your debating can verge to similar levels of extreme.

    And I disagree, I'm more balanced then you.

    Anyway it's just an observation you can take or leave.
    Edited by 3 at 29/04/08 @ 16:17

  • Kryon #155 4 years ago

    Rash, you sure do got a purdy mouth.

    /plays banjo

  • Madlax #156 4 years ago

    Eurogamer ? more like 360gamer....and thats not saying much.

    The closer the dead-line to the game launch, the more (wierd) news appears, Rockstart gives advice on how to prevent the PS3 from freezing ? you actually digged there forums to make news of that ? will you post a rockstar advice on (how to prevent your 360 from going RRoD) ?

    i could waste a lot of words on this, but i can summurize whats happening :


    $$$$$$$$$$
    $$$$$$$$$$

  • Rash' #157 4 years ago

    Kryon, "purdy"??? I just don't like hypocrisy.
    Edited by 2 at 29/04/08 @ 16:29

  • Calgon #158 4 years ago

    /Waits for Rash' to jump to the trolls defense.

  • Rash' #159 4 years ago

    Calgon wrote: "Oh I see you want to tell everyone PS3 is the most powerfull(or the 360 is holding it back somehow or whatever else youve been lead to beleive)and I wont let you, is that it?... well Id disagree with that yes, I do have good reason to beleive so and I could back that up(just found a post from a PS3 dev last night on Beyond3D that supports some of the things that have been said before further) but Im objective enough to admit its the PS3 is a good console in its own right(and media-player/centre too) theres just too much hyperbole and misinformation surrounding it... What does the 360 have to do to get some props it seems everything is swepth under the rug to keep the Sony fans happy."

    LOL! I don't get into this which system is better than which argument. I made my mind a long time ago, based on info, which I prefer. That's my preference and I'm happy with that. The difference between you and I is; I don't spoon feed my subjective views on to other (and believe me at this moment one system being better than another is a subjective opinion).
    Edited by 2 at 29/04/08 @ 16:34

  • bioreit #160 4 years ago

    @ madlax

    1. You post basically the same post in two different threads. Well done. Zero marks for original thinking.

    2. re: criticism of EG for their Rockstar advice to PS3 owners : you obviously have everything to learn about how modern day gaming sites work, don't you? Many many articles and news pieces come from tips from readers, so the most likely scenario is that en EG regular saw the thread on the US Playstation forums, thought it was interesting and popped it in an email to EG, who also thought it would be worth reading for anyone who was possibly experiencing problems.

    2. a) no doubt if EG hadn't posted the tip, you and your ilk would have been decrying Eurogamer as biased against the PS3 for not sharing the information with an unlucky minority.

    3. Eurogamer has been accused of being biased against the Wii, 360 and PS3 at various points over the last two or three years - back at the height of the RROD debacle, for example, Xbox fanboys were accusing them of taking payments from Sony in order to spread lies. If there is a lot of negative news in the outside world about a format, it may seem like it is coming under unfair attack, but is more likely just luck of the draw with regards to news stories.

    3. a) also, bear in mind that when one story breaks, similar stories are more popular among journalists and their audiences - case in point is after the Paddington and Hatfield rail crashes: it seemed like every other week there was another rail accident. Or after HMRC lost all that data - it seemed like every other government department got a bad case of the 'me-toos' and lost CDs all over the place. Was this really a cluster of similar events happening? Or was it that these things happen all the time, but one or two big stories in the media made people watch out for all the little incidents that would never get heard about?

  • warbo #161 4 years ago

    GamesConnoisseur

    Perhaps they didn't expect the "visual edge" to go to PS3? That could be why all of the released media was of the Xbox 360 version. Either that, or they realised any sub 720p media would be quickly rumbled by pixel counters.

    The poor 360 version has 30% more pixels and 2xAA. Another thing is that with 720p and 2xAA, the 360 has to be tiling into eDRAM. The PS3's framebuffer would fit right in there, no problems.

  • Madlax #162 4 years ago

    "Madlax - Your suggestion that EG is 360 Biased is bullshit... We all have choices eh? Piss off if you don't like the truth."

    Bullshit ? not at all. ;)

    PS3 version is almost confirmed (630p) ? Rockstar advices on preventing PS3 freezing ? good god....they go the R* forums and read about a random someone with a problem and fabricated that rockstar publicly advices people how to prevent PS3 from freezing.

    There is no advice, someone calls R* about a problem with there system, someone from rockstar naturly gives help, taking this and saying (Rockstar Advices on how to prevent PS3 freezes)...hilarious, is this even news ? or was it simply a poor trolling attempt to please Microsoft. ;)

    So if i or someone else contact R* about a problem with a 360 going RRoD...will EG take that and post it as news ? ...i dont thinks so. ;)

    Not enough $$$$
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 16:40

  • DjFlex52 #163 4 years ago

    What's funny is MadLax really believes what he's saying?

    Games are getting more mature while gamers are getting more immature.

  • Calgon #164 4 years ago

    Rash' no actually thats not right at all check every instance of me on the subject and its in response to someone declaring PS3s potential greater than 360s with nothing to back it up marketing quotes... sometimes even ciao.co.uk user quotes from plants(Im sure some people know what Im on about here) and to top it off more often than not its completely unrelated to the subject... infact this isnt the place for it so Ive been avoiding those sorts of discussion untill recently with GTA IV because theyve been done to death.

    I dont see what it is you are trying to prove here, you are just coming accross as a bit of a jerk now, I suggest we move on.
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 16:48

  • warbo #165 4 years ago

    Madlax, you don't want to know how to prevent freezing in GTAIV on your PS3?

  • Rash' #166 4 years ago

    Calgon, As I said you can take it or leave it. It's just an observation, so, yes, lets move on.

  • canIdoyabombsforya #167 4 years ago

    £425 for 630p FFS

  • warbo #168 4 years ago

    GTAIV is 640p on PS3, not 630p.

    Same resolution as Dark Sector (PS3) and Halo 3.
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 17:05

  • BadBoyBonner #169 4 years ago

    If people feel the need to correct the disparity of 10 pixels, just think what they must think about 8 times that many?

  • gaztech #170 4 years ago

    fucks sakes does it really matter?

  • Calgon #171 4 years ago

    Warbo thanks for the link... so theres no AA on the PS3 version afterall... hmmm its really odd I wonder if the devs will clarify if the smoother/blurier look was down to the scailing alone or they employed another effect to acheive it purposefully.

  • Madlax #172 4 years ago

    The funny thing is, that according to Quaz (the guy who posted this at Beyond3D)...actually said its 665p.

    But Eurogamer must go into the next lelvel of 'objectivity' with there reporting, so they made it 630p. ;)

  • warbo #173 4 years ago

    Now you're just making things up Madlax.

  • Kryon #174 4 years ago

    I heard it was actually 628.5p

  • Darren #175 4 years ago

    Well I own both games and, IMO, the Xbox 360 definitely has the graphical edge with sharper visuals and slightly better anti-aliasing although there are still lots of jaggy edges. The softer-looking PS3 version has a weaker framerate and looks like it has no AA at all to me which coupled with the lower rendering resolution leave it looking much jaggier in the foreground. Fortunately the filtering takes care of the backgrounds and actually looks better than the 360 version at times. Not really seen much pop-in in either version to be honest but then I've not been moving fast enough to see it (I'm driving carefully at the moment so as not to attract police attention during the missions). The 360 version is the definitive version in my humble view although the PS3 version isn't far behind.

  • bioreit #176 4 years ago

    @ Madlax (my text emboldened to stand out from the quotes)

    "The funny thing is, that according to Quaz (the guy who posted this at Beyond3D)...actually said its 665p.

    But Eurogamer must go into the next lelvel of 'objectivity' with there reporting, so they made it 630p. ;)
    "

    Taken from your much vaunted forum, seeing as you seemed to like talking about something, but neither linked nor quoted - something to hide, mayhaps....:

    "28-Apr-2008, 13:46 post #513
    Quaz51
    Member

    Join Date: May 2002
    Location: France
    Posts: 452

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rangers View Post
    And ?
    it's 630p (1120x630)
    regardless PS3 media look better for me, the light and atmosphere is more real (maybe HDR vs X360 MDR, post-process...), i agree with global reviews feeling but more comparison screenshots would be good
    it's interesting, it shown that number of pixel isn't enough for determine better visual"

    which Quaz51 later clarified as being incorrect - based on his previous images. The true resolution is actually 640p:

    " 29-Apr-2008, 13:46 post #624
    Quaz51
    Member

    Join Date: May 2002
    Location: France
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    Good news, dot50cal send me very good screenshot (thanks) and finally it's 1152x640p (and no AA) exactly like Halo3, perfect Dark or Dark sector PS3
    even though i has clearly identified 7/8 recurrence on many different edge and screenshot but insufficient edge lenght and bad screenshot lead astray me, sorry, it's finally 8/9 and 9/10 recurrence, it's the final result!"

    So, objectivity in your book actually means "Make a number up and stick it in anywhere"? Whereas Eurogamer had merely failed to go back to a thread and read through dozens and dozens of extra posts, just to see if the widely acknowledged expert had made a tiny mistake.

    Understandable actions to me, but obviously to you this is equivalent to genocide and rampant racism, judging by your passionate entreaties on the subject (and mindless drivel).

  • warbo #177 4 years ago

    Gamersyde HD video comparison.

    There doesn't appear to much of a difference at all. The PS3 version is a tad blurrier.

  • des #178 4 years ago

    LOL some treads at beyond3d got locked because some crazy sony fans crying "no no no its not 630p,it cant be"



  • Madlax #179 4 years ago

    Good job Bioret, i just checked my bookmarks and the 665p is actually for MGO.

    Guess i confused between the two, since i get most of my info from Neogaf, never the less, this is still does not excuse Eurogamers craptacular reporting with the GTAIV launch. ;)

  • Khanivor #180 4 years ago

    SDF soldier in reading compehension failure SHOCKER.

    I'm actually fairly convinced that a number of the SDF are actually Bertie and other staffers killing time and making hits.

    I really don't want to believe that there are so many imbeciles out there.

  • Kryon #181 4 years ago

    Seriously, anyone claiming EG is displaying a 360 bias by reporting this news is either stupid or hasn't read the article. They have reported the PS3 res to be 630p (although not quite spot on as we now know its 640p) but how can reporting a games resolution be construed as bias? Would you rather EG lied to you and told you that "itz teh 10 billion P becoz ov teh untapped powa of teh SELL!!!111!"... However, the fact that the opinion is given that the PS3 version still looks good even though the game runs in a pathetically low almost Wii-like resolution could be seen as a Sony bias.

    F***ing EG is teh Sony bias 4 teh Loose innit BoooHooo mummy! :(

  • des #182 4 years ago

    What
    360 720p(2xaa)
    Ps3 640p(no aa)

    Uh oh

    SDF is going to crash the internet
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 18:26

  • seasidebaz #183 4 years ago

    well, i don't get to play any of the 630p / 640p / whatever resolution it runs at.

    the damn catalogue sent me the x360 version. 14 days to get it replaced.



    bastards.

  • Darren #184 4 years ago

    @warbo - The trouble with video comparisons is that they suffer from compression so look can blurrier than they actually are. The complete lack of AA and the lower resolution makes the PS3 version look quite nasty at times but fortunately not all the time. Sometimes it even looks great as the background filter looks nicer. However, the 360 version looks better most of the time though but then it has a higher resolution and AA... this is particularly obvious in the cutscenes where smoothish edges frequently have a serrated appearance on the PS3. Not that any of this affect the gameplay... both versions are absolutely wonderful to play and look good enough so that's the most important thing! :)

  • Kryon #185 4 years ago

    swam, you don't have both versions, Darren does, so please shhh...

    kthxbye.

  • DjFlex52 #186 4 years ago

    Darren: Funny that, my experience is that the PS3 version looks smoother and the lack of true AA (It's the same filtering as seen in Devil may cry) is hardly noticeable.

    @swam

    I think most of us (erm...ALL of us) would trust Darren's assessment of GTA IV over yours, swam....irrefutably!

  • SAH1977 #187 4 years ago

    I'm truely embarrased to call myself a gamer.

    Don't EVER try and put this industry on a par with movies and music, it's an utter joke.

    Gamers are an embarresment, sadder still, games journalists stir up the fan boy garbage!
    Edited by 2 at 29/04/08 @ 19:15

  • zedzee #188 4 years ago

    @ dsmx:

    I replied here to your query about where I saw the article from RockStar admitting that the reason for the delay of the original launch date for GTA-IV was the PS3 version was not working at the time, but it seems to have disappeared!

    Anyway, what I said was this is one of those moments when you regret not having bookmarked the article but it was one of these Web rags, I'm sure, as I usually look at EG, MCV and ThreeSpeech (although it would never be TS!)

    Anyway, if I find it I will put the link up here but I said it because it was a fact/history, not because I'm bashing one console or the other; I personally own a PS2 and PSP, so I'm not bothered either way at the moment.

    It was just something I suspected and read between the lines last year and then RockStar admitted as much in public.

  • Kryon #189 4 years ago

    OMFGZ!! swam just caused me MASSIVE damage with the insinuation that I'm in fact twelve years of age! With such originality in these insults you have really cut me deep there swam. Man, dunno how I'll get over that one, especially coming from someone who's so mature that they feel the need to create a sock to talk shit on teh intawebz :(

    /

  • seasidebaz #190 4 years ago

    @kryon: it was based on a historical event that he attacked your weakspot!

    with a REAL TIME WEAPON CHANGE!!!!!

  • Kryon #191 4 years ago

    LOL :D

  • Kryon #192 4 years ago

    /Joke time! Yay!

    Patient: "Doctor, doctor! Ever since last month I've been feeling like a sock!?"

    Doctor: "That's because you're a complete cunt who used to be called headbog"

    /Ba-dum - tshhhh

  • Machiavellian #193 4 years ago

    @Swam
    The gamercyde videos show there is no difference beyond the colouring.
    The gamma is obviously calibrated differently on each console, mostly down to the chipsets they use for the graphcis subsystems.

    This will not necessarily be what you see on your TV - you have to calibrate it accordingly.

    Nevertheless, you will see exactly the same game - bar one or two features on each system.

    Brighter + AA and 720p with occasionally smoother frame-rate, but nasty dithering in some places and more noticeable popup , along with slower loads on the 360 version.

    Darker + non AA 640p (only 20% less pixels) and occasionally lower frame rates, but has better loads and less pop-in coupled with a more natural palette.

    Only a anti-PS3 XBOT on severe damage control would argue differently.

    This is probably the most sane post you have made swam in a long time but it is sure different from your original post where your Sony Fanboy e-penis was about as swollen as a horses leg when the reports of ign and others saying the PS3 version looked the best. I guess you had to actually come back to Earth and present a more intellengent post.

  • canIdoyabombsforya #194 4 years ago

    "I'm truely embarrased to call myself a gamer.

    Don't EVER try and put this industry on a par with movies and music, it's an utter joke.

    Gamers are an embarresment, sadder still, games journalists stir up the fan boy garbage! "

    No no no
    SONY are their own worst fanboys! 20 times more powerful than the Dreamcast etc etc WHY?

  • seasidebaz #195 4 years ago

    @swam:

    i can refer to it because i am "a member of the sdf" apparently.
    [edit: a HIGH RANKING member...]

    @kryon: another joke:

    "knock knock"
    "who's there?"
    "swam"
    "fuck off, you make us legit fanboys look bad"
    *slam*

    still annoyed about littlewoods sending me x360 version of gta, though...
    Edited by 1 at 29/04/08 @ 21:57

  • Kryon #196 4 years ago

    @seasidebaz

    LOL, I must admit, I've misjudged you, you're not SDF, I formally retract my earlier accusations ;) ...Besides, I'm also a member of the SDF and an XBOT, it just depends which organization serves my wind-up merchant skills for each particular situation :D

  • Darren #197 4 years ago

    Whether you prefer the look of the 360 or PS3 version is purely down to individual tastes as not everyone is as bothered by jaggies as I am and the background filtering is actually nicer than the 360 version.

    At times the PS3 version can look very attractive but there's no getting away from the fact that, to me, it looks rougher and blurrier than the 360 a lot of the time. For example, overhead cables look good on the 360 and appear as solid lines most of the time but on the PS3 the lower resolution and lack of AA results in them looking like a series of dashes! Edges on cars and boxes/crates look more serrated as do railings, etc., all the things that occur as a result of not having AA (I noticed these in Halo 3 too). The 360 version also looks jaggy at times but not to quite the same extent. As far as pop in is concerned I can't honestly say I've noticed much difference between the two games at all, only that the PS3's loading times are shorter.

    The thing is the PS3 version has an obviously weaker framerate, no-one can dispute that and you can tell when going from one game to the other. It feels more chuggy than the 360 version which itself isn't all that smooth either. That is no doubt why the game doesn't run at 1280x720 with 2X AA on the PS3 like the Xbox 360 version. Rockstar have obviously had to compromise the graphics to get it running adequately and even then it still doesn't run as well as the 360. It pains me to say that but I'm afraid it's true.

    I'm still really enjoying playing the PS3 version but in my eyes it doesn't seem to be as polished as the 360 version. Before anyone bites my head off, I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just expressing my *own opinion* having played both games for over four hours each.

  • Darren #198 4 years ago

    I should add that I'm not 100% convinced that the Xbox 360 version runs at 1280x720 either, it may well be 1152x640 like the PS3 version, only the 2X AA gives it the edge. The reason why I think this is that Saints Row is 1280x720 native and uses 2X AA and GTA IV doesn't look as sharp or crisp as that game. There's a kind of upscaled look to it, it's kind of hard to explain, but I've seen it in other games like PGR 3, Call of Duty 4 and Tomb Raider: Anniversary.

  • monkie_king #199 4 years ago

    the pixel-counters at Beyond3D are pretty convinced it's 720p. Besides, you wouldn't get that dithered look on the 360 if it was being scaled up, any scaling algorithm would smooth that out.

    From all the screenshots I've seen, neither has a definite advantage. The 360 looks both better and worse than the PS3 between different shots, and even between different parts of the same shot. I'd probably take framerate over reduced texture pop though.

  • Calgon #200 4 years ago

    Thanks for the comparison Darren, the Kotaku comparison said something similar about the framerate which Rash' and the like didnt like me pointing out.

    I do find it strange how none of these reviewers picked up on any of this we've learn, even trying to say the PS3 version has a technical edge... perhaps its a good thing EG leave that part till after the reviews afterall then?(when is it due btw?) If you are going to compare two versions you should atleast do it right and be fair about or not bother IMO.

  • seasidebaz #201 4 years ago

    the way to tell on the 360 is to bring up the guide while in game. the guide runs at whatever resolution the game runs at.

    if the guide looks pixelated, the game is running at a lower resolution than 720p.

    @kryon:

    my "full" sdf status tends to come around while i'm at work. at the moment, trying to figure out a way to silent print a pdf off a webpage, i've been stuck on it for 2 weeks, stress levels are through the roof. so i tend to argue in favour of the ps3 purely because all brain power is being sucked by programming dilemmas and can't think straight.

  • Darren #202 4 years ago

    @seasidebaz - Are you sure about the Guide thing?

    I thought the Xbox 360 rendered games at whatever resolution the developers chose internally, be it 720p, 1080p or something lower, stored them in the framebuffer then upscaled them to whichever resolution you've set the Xbox 360 to in the Display settings before outputting it to the HDTV? Thus you'll never actually see a 600p or 640p resolution on the TV since that setting doesn't exist in the 360's settings. Does that sound right?

  • Darren #203 4 years ago

    Excellent comparison feature here (foamy posted it originally in the GTA IV review comments):

    [link url=http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/29-04-2 008-389.html
    ]http://ww w.videogamer.com/features/artic...[/link]

    I completely agree with them on most points. In fact, it could almost have been written by me! LOL

    Obviously this is just one person's opinion and like IGN, 1Up, etc., it doesn't mean that they're right - after all beauty is in the eye of the beholder and just because an respectable art critic says the Mona Lisa is a beautiful painting, doesn't mean you have to agree with them. ;)

  • seasidebaz #204 4 years ago

    @darren:

    i noticed it with a couple of games, tomb raider did it, i think forza2 might have, halo3 definately did it.

    your explanation sounds right, cos it should be the hardware scaler making the image up to whatever size, but i know i've seen the guide running at lower res on certain games...

  • Darren #205 4 years ago

    Hmmm, perhaps you're right then but to me the Guide always looks blurry and low-res because I thought it was designed to use as little memory as possible.

  • wowami #206 4 years ago

    PS3 - 1152*640 = 737,280
    360 - 1280*720 = 921,600
    360 rendering 20% more pixels....

    Can any PS3 programming geeks explain why Rockstar would choose to do this?

  • Penguinzoot #207 4 years ago

    Can any PS3 programming geeks explain why Rockstar would choose to do this?

    To help improve performance?
    /shrugs

  • Kryon #208 4 years ago

    @wowami

    I've spent the entirety of last night looking into this exact subject because it is an extremely interesting question. The official word from R* and the general feeling around the net seems to be that the reason for the lower res is basically that the PS3 is a bit LOL and has a crippled moose of a GPU as well as having a ram reserve the size of a wasps penis. Hope that helps ;)

  • jokerz #209 4 years ago

    Sorry but thats bull. The case says 1080p. Thats fact. End of story. This is nothing more than rumours generated by the MS/360 camp to discredit the PS3 version because its making the 360 look weak. Deal with it.

  • warbo #210 4 years ago

    @jokerz

    The supported resolutions listed on the box are just the output resolutions the game supports. GTAIV is rendered to 1152x640 on PS3 and upscaled to 720p or 1080p.

    Because PS3 doesn't have fully hardware accelerated scaling like Xbox 360, not every game supports it. LAIR, Dark Sector and The Darkness are all sub 720p on PS3, yet they all have 1080p on the box.

    Here's a list of odd native resolutions for PS3 and 360 games: http ://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241
    Edited by 1 at 30/04/08 @ 14:11

  • juuken #211 4 years ago

    I didn't hate the 360 or MS at first . I will give them props for having excellent online service and good games (even though they probably bribed the developers to stick with their system). But I have an intense hatred for their business practices. It's bad enough that there are 360 fanboys running around and trying to find every conceivable way to make the PS3 sound like shit, but when you have a company who bribes certain sites to spread PS3 propaganda, and making their console look like the second coming of Christ himself...that's where my respect of MS lowered completely.

    Now, certain sites have already stated that the PS3 has the edge in the graphics department for GTAIV. I don't see where anyone gets by saying the PS3's graphics are blurry because I played the game yesterday and it was a clean copy. I guess I was one of the lucky ones who didn't get a defected copy of the game and yes it's the copy of the game that's causing the freezing and not the console itself. A defective game could mess up a console if it's in there long enough.

    360 fanboys are just angry because the PS3 is winning and will continue winning until it knocks the 360 off the pedestal.

    And I can't wait for that day.

    And for the record you idiots, here is no such thing as 630p.
    Edited by 1 at 01/05/08 @ 17:01

  • gamecat #212 4 years ago

    "360 fanboys are just angry because the PS3 is winning and will continue winning until it knocks the 360 off the pedestal."


    Winning what? I'm angry because I haven't got any bread for the toaster :/