Microsoft gamescom conference Finished

Microsoft has delivered its gamescom 2009 conference, and we covered the keynote live from Cologne, Germany.

Peter Molyneux led the address, unveiling Fable III and discussing the lofty ideas within. Our Fable III preview has all the details.

Read on for a full, blow-by-blow, account of the Microsoft gamescom 2009 conference. The earliest entries are presented first.

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  • muscleblade 5 years ago

    @KrissAkabusi



    I agree on that. I dont have seriously or seriously 2.0 and i never will.
  • KrissAkabusi 5 years ago

    I'm certainly not an achievement-hater, I do like seeing my gamerscore go up, just wanted to make the point that a lot of achievements in a lot of games are really inane and certainly not worth the effort just to see a game finished 100 percent. Thinking things like the 1 point for playing 50 hours in FIFA 09 or that 50 point one for killing a billion in Gears of War 2. No way do I have the time to invest in that.
  • muscleblade 5 years ago

    @Miiguel



    I was waiting for your help :-).



    I was just making a point about Darrens misplaced (imo) comment about Fable 2.

    If you cant even complete a 5 hour game like RE5 how can you measure quality of a game on wether you completed it or not.



    @Darren

    There are lots of people that like the extra challenge of getting the achievements without bragging about it. Some achievments are boring and i usually dont bother with those. This discussion wasnt meant to be about achievements at all. But looking at your profile it seems to me you usually dont complete the story mode either. To me you are more like a gametester than a gameplayer. Maybe thats why the looks of a game means so much to you. Im glad most game reviewers actually complete the story mode and play the multiplayer a few hours before writing a review.

  • miiiguel 5 years ago

    I don't consider "completing the story" = "completing the game", and that's the diference between movies and games, you can finish a game without experiencing half of it (some). Achievements if well placed can help on that, which basicaly, in that regard act the same way as older "unlockables", diference now is that they are centralized on a dashboard/profile.



    Fable for instance is a perfect example of that. Oh and Oblivion... and... pretty much all games, but King Kong. Actually.



    Then..., the old argument that "Achievments are worthless", er... and what exactly any ludic activity like, for instance... playing games is worth? Is is productive? Is not! It's worth one's pleasure and entertaiment, what if a person "entertains" himself by unlocking Achivements or taking pictures of pink walls? Who are we to judge?

    Maybe the answer for that is "play the games for fun"*



    * - the way I think is fun.
  • Bravestinsane 5 years ago

    @Smelly



    I know how many games show there are year (not a number but a lot) perhaps they should cancel some then, so that they have something to announce. The arcade scandel could of been cleared up (ill call it a scandel as raising prices in a recession is plain stupid(mind you some people will buy them))



    I would have no problem what so ever is they canceled a few conferences and made the ones they kept even bigger. The announcement is good but not great. We knew half of what he said he spoke about previous games, which being out we already know.



    Like i said in my previous posts we found out very little that was new.



    Are you aware how likely it really is for each of the 3 console manufacturers to provide interesting NEW stuff at EACH show?



    Then perhaps is should be LESS shows with MORE stuff.
  • smelly 5 years ago

    "Even if MS showed some trailers or something, announced the Pro was getting axed and we were going to be ripped of on the arcade model. Just something."





    Are you aware of how many games shows there are each year? Are you aware how likely it really is for each of the 3 console manufacturers to provide interesting NEW stuff at EACH show?



    I mean, nintendo tries to do that by spreading itself out over a few conferences - and they get slated at e3 for not showing as much as the other 2! But msoft and sony go to pretty much all of them - you cant expect them to keep announcing new stuff at each one, or they'd be showing a hell of a lot less stuff than even nintendo do.

  • smelly 5 years ago

    "oh no smelly - you're TOTALLY wrong.. they cant possibly be announcing Fable 3.. Here have 17 negative ticks as you are obviously VERY wrong"



    ... oh wait.. no you lot were!

  • makeamazing 5 years ago

    Perhaps they are holding that back for the TGS? Or perhaps they are waiting to see how the new PS3 price cut does before they make a decision on the Elite costings...



    I do feel bad for any of these companies, its like they have to have "Something" for the fanboys or they complain how crap it was. If they reveal all of the big news now, they wont have anything for next years E3 and guess what, rabid fanboys will complain again... a vicious circle O

  • Calgon 5 years ago

    Yeah thats true they may aswell have cleared up the SKU situation since the cat is out of the bag now, there was no reason not to unless theres things they arent ready to show yet perhaps.
  • Bravestinsane 5 years ago

    @Calgon,



    I understand what your saying (+1 infact)



    But the whole event was pointless, all Peter actually said (after you ignore the crap) was Fable 3 will be out in 2010, be in the industrial revolution and you will end up king where your "actions" "cause" "events" to "change" the game.



    I wouldn't of minded waiting for this news we actually found out nothing except the setting, we alreay knew it existed (thanks to Johnathon Ross and twitter)



    Even if MS showed some trailers or something, announced the Pro was getting axed and we were going to be ripped of on the arcade model. Just something.



    Like i said before the whole event was dragged out and we found out very little, Fable 3 yeh exciting, but if you listen to what was actually said we found out very little.
  • smelly 5 years ago

    EXCUSE ME.. While I act a little bit smug
  • Calgon 5 years ago

    It's pretty amusing how some people feel robbed when they get no megaton announcements to excite them, acting like they've been short changed... "Is that all? This is an outrage!" You do realise that just because they dont announce all their plans it doesn't mean they haven't got plenty going on dont you? They did reveal a new game atleast, would have been nice if Peter let someone from Live announce some stuff too I think(seems to be lots going on there these days).



    There will be big announcements another time, Sony had things to announce due to the timing of the event MS didn't... if Sony had the slim ready earlier it would have already been announced and there'd have been little to talk about from them too. Besides TGS is next month maybe MS will put more effort into that one and share more of their plans, they might not have been expecting Sony to put so much effort into the gamescom conference.



    The event itself isn't finnished yet is it? So we still might see more of the games we already know about atleast.
  • Bravestinsane 5 years ago

    I actually like Achievments purely for the fact it makes games last longer. Im happy sony copied as well with trophies, if i was every to buy a PS3 i like the idea of games lasting longer than just playing through the storyline.



    Yes completing the story is completing the game but games these days can be so short for such a large amount of money, anything that gives it more value and makes me play it longer i will welcome, as long as there not ridiculous i still go for them but it pisses me off.



    Back on topic however,



    Im happy there making a new Fable i really enjoyed Fable 2, however this press conferecne seems to be an anti climax to me, all they announced was Fable 3 could of been some more announcments.
  • Darren 5 years ago

    @muscleblade - "I have played a lot less games than you but still have over 50 fully completed games on my profile."



    Again, I'll remind you that I'm not interested in online gaming at all and even less with Achievements so you'll never see many completed games in my profile (not that I care). I'm guessing from your quote that you *do* care about one and possibly both, which is fine, but stop trying to use them some kind of bragging rights! :p
  • muscleblade 5 years ago

    @Darren



    Actually you have to complete RE5 in under 5 hours to unlock the unlimited ammo rocketlauncher.That makes the hardest difficulty a piece of cake to complete in even a shorter amount of time btw. Trust me ive done it and i loved every minute of it. The last boss isnt hard at all.



    @KrissAkabusi



    Thats true and the reason i have only 51 completed games according to my gamertag even though i have completed every game i have. The same reason Darren has 1 (King Kong).



    My point still stands though. Even though i can agree that the movie comparison might be a little off.







  • Darren 5 years ago

    @muscleblade - Except RE5 isn't a 5 hour game is it, I'm pretty sure I spent over twelve hours playing it altogether up to the last section of the final boss fight, and that includes replaying some of chapters again plus some split-screen co-op. The only reason I haven't finished it is because I couldn't! Frustrating, yes, but it's not that I *didn't want* to finish it. :p



    Also I never said that a good game had to be one that you completed, only that Fable II wasn't good enough to make me want to finish it. That's totally different from RE5 for example as I've stated. My definition of an excellent game is one that is both do-able and engaging right though to the end. Fable II failed miserably on the latter but it wasn't an awful game, just not as ambitious or entertaining as I was hoping for. ;)



    The cinema analogy by the way is an extremely poor one since it doesn't require any actual skill or interaction to actually watch a movie right through to the end... unlike a game! If you get stuck part way through a game as I had with Ninja Gaiden, RE5 and GUN for example then you're not going to see the end, are you?
  • spudsbuckley 5 years ago

    Achievements have nothing to do with finishing games.
  • Edwin 5 years ago

    I can't stand tropihies or achivements... cynical marketing tool to drive brand loyalty.
  • KrissAkabusi 5 years ago

    Is getting a 100 percent achievements really considered "completing" a game now? Surely the general consensus on completion is getting through the story/single player mode. So many achievements are so inane that you really do have to be a sad barsteward to go for them.



  • muscleblade 5 years ago

    @darren



    Buying a 5 hour game like RE5 and not even completing the singleplayer. Seems like a waste of money to me.

    Its like leaving the cinema in the middle of a movie( i havent done that either btw).
  • muscleblade 5 years ago

    @Darren



    Take it easy mate. How you like to play games is up to you i just wanted to make a point about you not completing a game doesnt mean its not a great game as you usually dont complete games. You like to try games not complete them and thats fine.



    I have played a lot less games than you but still have over 50 fully completed games on my profile.



    "I'm not sad enough to play a game I don't like to 100% completion just for the (IMO worthless) Achievements if that's what you're implying? :? "



    Im not sad enough to buy games i dont like :? The achievements are worthless , but trying to get them is fun and having fun is worth alot. Gives games more value too.
  • Darren 5 years ago

    @muscleblade - 95+% of those games have online components and Achievements linked to them. I don't complete many games 100% only because I have no interest in the online stuff. ;)



    However, I do tend to finish the single player campaigns if the game is good enough, as I have done with GRAW, Call of Duty 4, Kameo, Condemned, DiRT, PGR 4, Fallout 3 (twice: 360 and PC), Oblivion, Perfect Dark Zero and, yes, King Kong plus a number of others. There's a lot that I've almost, almost finished too such as Blue Dragon, Resident Evil 5 and GUN but never got round to for one reason or another. I play games on the PC and PS3 too, the 360 isn't my only gaming platform. The single player is all I'm interested in; that's why I'm a Silver subscriber. :p



    And, no, I personally don't care for Achievements at all so I'm not a "completionist" as you put it. I'm not sad enough to play a game I don't like to 100% completion just for the (IMO worthless) Achievements if that's what you're implying? :?
  • Bloodhunter 5 years ago

    what a dissapointment.
  • muscleblade 5 years ago

    @cyacomini



    LoL! Correct!
  • cyacomini 5 years ago

    /\



    King Kong? :)
  • muscleblade 5 years ago

    "Fable II was OK though but, sadly, not interesting enough for me to actually complete it."



    But you dont really complete any games do you?



    According to your Live profile - you have completed 1 out of 145 retail games and 0 XBLA games. Hardly a completionist are you.

  • solidSnake04 5 years ago

    MS screwed up :0)
  • drumbaby 5 years ago

    Fable 3?



    Fail4 360, more like.



    Unimpressive announcements all round.
  • pinochet_cz 5 years ago

    siro:lol, you made my day with that dog post :)
  • White_Westie 5 years ago

    BBC iplayer on the x360 would have been a nice feature.... well done to sony for that one.....
  • spudsbuckley 5 years ago

    That was a bit crap. I liked Fable 2 and all but that was still a bit crap.
  • Darren 5 years ago

    Errr... not a particularly interesting conference really as I can't say that Fable III is high on my list of games I want to play.



    Fable II was OK though but, sadly, not interesting enough for me to actually complete it. As with the first game, the early concept reveals and demos made it seem a lot more intriguing and inventive then it actually was.
  • Progguitarist 5 years ago

    If Fable 3 is anything like 2 it'll be one of the most overrated games ever. Everything about that game was far too simplistic, no penalty for dying and incredibly simplisitic combat...how it got 10/10 from this website is a mystery.
  • GamesConnoisseur 5 years ago

    Oh dear!



    MS should have AT least anticipated THIS kind of reaction after Sony showing yesterday, they should knows they would looks very PALE and bland next to Sony big showing even if they only planned a simple show and tell of one err two games!



    People are not going to take well to it especially X360 fans hoping to get back at Sonybots.



    However yes Sony got the crown etc etc, most people on the street would only be seeing the results ie slim, price cut, PSPGo etc and thus there are lot more Sony stuff being pushed. Words get around etc, MS will just be dead quiet.



    MS need to get back to the drawing board for TGS.
  • Moonprince 5 years ago

    How is there a price cut coming when they've just put the price up?



    Price cut as in some time in the future of the 360 life cycle?



    YEAH! You could be right there!!!...
  • WinterSnowblind 5 years ago

    I'm sure a price cut is still coming, but did anyone expect it to be announced here? The 360 is still a lot cheaper than the PS3 in the UK, they'll probably wait for a US event to announce a US price cut :/



    Personally, I found this one more interesting than the Sony one, I already own a PS3 and so have no interest in a slim. At least we got a game here, just too bad it wasn't a new Black & White instead of more Fable.
  • MeBrains 5 years ago

    no matter what some say, this is a dissapointing conf when compared to Sony's. even with gamescom not being the biggest show, it still is an opportunity to talk to the masses. One that Sony used to announce new stuff. MS failed in that regard.



    i mean: some people mention that this is not seen by MS as important - it is (or it should be). To the industry there are four important shows per year and each should have a strong showing: GDC, E3, GamesCom and TGS. MS only talking about Fable III is peculiar to say the least...



    edit: my mentioning "MS failed in that regard" could be perceived as incorrect, since MS did newly announce Fable III here, but I suppose we all saw that coming, making this news less news than the official confirmation of slim and price-drop. Capice?
  • coolbritannia 5 years ago

    M$ don't regard this as a big event, it was a MGS event. 'Mark this as the day MS lost this gen' - ahahahahaha, your idiot comments are more entertaining than the presentation. Molyneux has cried wolf too many times, I don't think anyone believes his 'visions' anymore as they are so far removed from the finished article.
  • Beek4257 5 years ago

    It was a Microsoft Game Studios / Lionhead pressconference, just like it says on the Gamescom schedule. I mean, what were you expecting?

    I know EG's article-header is somewhat misleading, but if I can find it, ...
  • Olemak 5 years ago

    Huh. Sould to me like Natal is the whole idea behind that touch mechanic?



    Also: the game Peter talks about here seems to have very little in common with the previewed game on the fron page. I think that other game sounded more interesting, to be honest.



    Preferably, this king-thing could be the episodic DLC for Fable II, and Fable III could be like that preview said it would! Best of two words!
  • wizlon 5 years ago

    WAS THAT IT!! Nothing but Fable 3, there was actually no point in doing a conference when a Fable 3 press event could have been given.
  • PlugMonkey 5 years ago

    Two Napoleontic games on the front page. I'm calling it: Napoleon is the new WW2 for games. Prepare for Call of Duty: Waterloo.



    That would be pretty cool, actually.
  • Duffking 5 years ago

    Fuck me there's a lot of people who can't read here. Try reading the little intro thing, this was never going to be a big show for MS, they said that ages ago.
  • Monkey_Puncher 5 years ago

    Yet again, it's the German games convention, not E3!



    I find it laughable that everyone seems to expect "OMGZ MEGATONZ" at every conference these days, This was always billed as a conference that would be fronted by Mr Molyneux. Why did anyone expect anything else?
  • LiveForever 5 years ago

    Does anyone else find Molyneux majorly annoying to listen too? Games are meant to be about fun not your boring philosophy
  • whoslotte 5 years ago

    Piss poor. Is that the best MS could come up with ? Molyneux prattling on about Fable for 40 mins...
  • Lankysi 5 years ago

    I agree to a certain extent that just talking about Fable 2 episodes and Fable 3 was boring, but if you read the top bit of the article, it was never gonna be full of huge announcements anyway!



    Microsoft isn't billing its gamescom conference as a massive, platform-level event the way that Sony is, with senior personnel telling Eurogamer that they regard the Cologne event as a European show and won't be attending in force.



    It was only ever going to be about 1 or 2 games. Sure, a bit more about some of the big titles and drop a big surprise in there, announcing the inevitable Fable 3 is hardly a headliner!!!!
  • Raz76 5 years ago

    Man, this has been seriously depressing. If you already have both consoles and don't care about handhelds, the only announcement of the last two days has been Fable III, and it sounds like they've turned it into some tedious micro-management game.
  • MyPointIs 5 years ago

    All he achieved was to make me feel like Fable 3 is already OLD news.
  • Widge 5 years ago

    ...and on that note, when is TGS!
  • Domovoi 5 years ago

    I don't know, I'm kind of intrigued by the judging thing. Could be interesting. As for big announcements: that's what E3 is for.
  • Widge 5 years ago

    There will no doubt be MORE REPORTS OF STUFF from after the conference. So don't worry, plenty of ammunition there in the "WHICH CONSOLE IS THE BEST" war for you.
  • Praetorianer 5 years ago

    Seriously, if that is everything MS and Sony have to offer as their BIG news announcements, I can only admire Nintendo for its wisdom not to hold a press conference babbling about how successful they've been in the past with their past products and their STRONG brands (Singstar!) and releasing an uglier (albeit cheaper) version of their current system, or talking about ONE game that only a minor part of the people take interest in.
  • michaelangelo 5 years ago

    and people were saying not much happened at sonys conference. i suppose when u spend so much money on e3 getting celebrities to promote your co nsole you dont have much left for these little conferences. even still, they could could of mentioned natal
  • Headache 5 years ago

    ...that's it? Wow, amazing waste of an opportunity to hit back at Sony there. I don't think many people will be talking about the first announcement of Fable 3 in the coming weeks compared to discussion on how the PS3 Slim and price drop will affect the market.
  • NotSoSlim 5 years ago

    What a pile of crap. Well played Sony for actually having a interesting brief. MS the new Nintendo?? Just teasing ;o)
  • Moonprince 5 years ago

    ffs was that it ms? seriously? Is that all we get?
  • siro 5 years ago

    Err... that's it?



    If so, there was some huge miscommunication between MS and the world outside. Kind of seemed everyone expected a MS conference here.
  • penhalion 5 years ago

    It's a bit dull isn't it. I guess they don't have a 360 slim to show off yet ;)
  • kangarootoo 5 years ago

    Was that it? An hour of PM waffling on about stuff that we won't see for over a year? That was all MS had to talk about? Really?



    Sack. Of. Crap.
  • alimokrane 5 years ago

    WHAT ?????????????? this is IT ??????
  • NotSoSlim 5 years ago

    People were saying they were disappointed with Sony's brief yesterday :o)
  • alimokrane 5 years ago

    THANK THE LORD he's done! pheeeew Ellie I wouldnt go to that 1pm talk ;)
  • busboy33 5 years ago

    So I could throw a whiz-bang orgy in Fable 2, but no touching boobies now?
  • MyPointIs 5 years ago

    So this guy is now head of Microsoft Game Studios?
  • JimWest 5 years ago

    @busboy33



    Cupping is basically groping of the breasts!



    -1 for answering a question? Really?
  • dingo75 5 years ago

    Poor Ellie!

    This is really hard earned money there sitting in the audience straight face and listening to Peter for that long! :(
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    Right I'm off. See you chaps. By the way, every comment I've made hasn't been serious and has pretty much been to wind people up. I apologise.
  • busboy33 5 years ago

    "I'm not saying there's cupping"



    As a Yank -- what's cupping? Sounds far less dirty then banging some hookers in Fable2.
  • alimokrane 5 years ago

    help, somebody kick that guy out of the stage already!
  • JohnnyWashnGo 5 years ago

    Micheal Jackson, Touching, Child embracing and Judges all in one conference. This is pure win.
  • siro 5 years ago

    If I ever manage to breed a new race of dogs, I'll call it Molyneux. If people ask me why, I'll tell them the truth: he's the guy who invented dogs in the first place.
  • Headache 5 years ago

    Judgements sound rubbish, I don't care about peasants. I'd thrown them in jail on principle. How dare they come and disturb me?



    Let's face it, who in a game wants to have to sit there and listen (or read) about people complaining about their lives. Surely we get enough of that in our schools/uni/work places. No I don't want to go walking through the streets trying to find some random person's house to find out whether or not they do have food on the table. I'd much rather be leading an army to battle or exploring an unknown land.



    It sounds like Mol's managed to take the adventuring and magic out of Fable. Of course his example isn't actually in the game, so how can I even judge!
  • BritishBlue1 5 years ago

    When is this going to get interesting?
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    Anyone know how long this conference is?
  • dingo75 5 years ago

    Is Peter talking for 25 min now about Fable III?

    MS must be really desperate!



    And Peter: Shut the hell up! You have good ideas but your games suck because they never achieve what you "envisioned"!
  • JohnnyWashnGo 5 years ago

    Judge my Touch
  • siro 5 years ago

    I see some xbox fanboys crying in the back row. They came all the way to Cologne to see some announcements. I bet they would have preferred a Natal rerun.



    Let's hope at least something's going to happen. Quotes for bets on hard disk inclusion for the Arcade or a bigger Hard Disk Add-On are plunging.
  • MyPointIs 5 years ago

    Dear Peter,



    We don't give a damn about your new revolutionary game systems. They always mean grinding to move a bloody slider between A and B.



    Thank you for being such a good listener.
  • lavalant 5 years ago

    Oh no he's making promises again, about judgement, but it's going to end up being some expression assigned to the D-pad.



    I have to check if shadow complex is up now.
  • alimokrane 5 years ago

    Im going to explode here ... MOVE ON MOVE ON!!!
  • MyPointIs 5 years ago

    Yes, I'm expecting a "Well, thank you very much for coming here ... remember, Fable 3 Fable 3 Fable 3" any minute now.
  • siro 5 years ago

    Random tidbit: You could have finished half the game while this presentation.



    This is a bit fridickulous (frickin' ridiculous, say it while doing a yawning movement with your mouth).
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    This is probably going to last longer than it took me to complete Fable 1.
  • alimokrane 5 years ago

    that's 20 minutes of Fable... this isnt looking good.
  • Praetorianer 5 years ago

  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    It's probably Domovoi marking everyone down with his huge superiority complex.
  • JohnnyWashnGo 5 years ago

    Jeez this Fable stuff is supremely yawn-worthy.



    Is there not anything exciting to show?
  • Katsumoto 5 years ago

    Is someone just negatively rating every single comment regardless of content? I mean all Siro did was point out that the guy doing the slides can't spell!
  • MyPointIs 5 years ago

    He's making Fable 3 sound more like hard work than play.
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    Heh, I swear this comments rating is basically random.
  • Praetorianer 5 years ago

    Actually, it's Cesar
  • coolbritannia 5 years ago

    Bored now, I'm off to play Halo Wars.
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    Well this was worth getting up for.
  • siro 5 years ago

    Fantastic. Whoever shovelled that presentation together should be informed that it's "Caesar", and not "Ceasar"
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    Well, this isn't briiliant.
  • alimokrane 5 years ago

    ENOUGH about FABLE peter.... gosh!
  • andywilkie35 5 years ago

    Literally 15 minutes in and Microsoft's conference has gone better than Sony's! "OOOH A RERELEASE OF OUR CONSOLE" shaddup
  • Beek4257 5 years ago

    So this actually isn't a MS-conference, but a MGS/Lionhead-presentation, eh?

    Oh well.



  • siro 5 years ago

    Pat is back with lots of pictures at vg247...



    This Fable bit is quite long already. I wonder if anything else will be announced.
  • oupe 5 years ago

    some guy: fable, sucks because of...



    oef!: \o/
  • Domovoi 5 years ago

    Those people weren't responding to the comment about the announcement, they were talking about what was on the front page.



    But keep getting angrier. Go on, let it out.
  • siro 5 years ago

    So... Fable 3 will allow you to rule a country? It's only the 1200th game to do so. Hope it'll be better than it sounds. Would be a first.
  • lavalant 5 years ago

    Did he laugh at Gordon Brown?
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    Erm, you're wrong actually. He said "We have an annoucement about Fable 2", people started saying "Yay Fable 3" so I said "How is Fable 3 an announcement about Fable 2".



    What's the problem? Are you retarded? Stop drooling on yourself and pay attention child.
  • cyacomini 5 years ago

    "I want players to feel and experience what it's like to be a ruler."



    Er - shatterproof and about 12" long?



    sorry.
  • coolbritannia 5 years ago

    Curt, exactly how i feel. It lacked any kind of depth at all.
  • Domovoi 5 years ago

    Go ahead, be angry because you realised you were wrong. I understand.
  • Praetorianer 5 years ago

    Fable 3 \o/...oh wait! *yawn*
  • curtlikesmeat 5 years ago

    The main problem with Fable Pete is that it's not a world, just a series of long tunnels disguised as one!
  • siro 5 years ago

    So, who's going to buy Episodes for Fable 2 just when all the top titles start gushing out?



    Answer is 'not me'.



    And I did like Fable 2 a lot.
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    " If you read the report, you'd realise the Fable 2 announcement is the episodes. "



    If you had read my post, you'd realise SHUT THE HELL UP.
  • asphaltcowboy 5 years ago

    Isn't the second child the problem one? Anyway...



    FABLE III - HELLS YEAH!
  • Domovoi 5 years ago

    Hey, completely rethinking how RPG's work might be good. As long as it's more than a dog.
  • Domovoi 5 years ago

    If you read the report, you'd realise the Fable 2 announcement is the episodes.
  • coolbritannia 5 years ago

    I thought Fable 2 was massively disappointing. meh so far.
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    " Because the announcement about Fable 2 isn't Fable 3. "



    I was referring to those people saying "Yay Fable 3!" on the first page. But erm, Fable 3 has just been announced, so whatever.
  • coolbritannia 5 years ago

    Kudos on calling Fable 3.
  • siro 5 years ago

    Today, Tanja from EG.de is winning (=writing much more in detail), unlike yesterday.



    Note to Ellie: Hire more typing monkeys.



    Edit: Or use Natal voice recognition.
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    YAY FABLE 3!
  • Domovoi 5 years ago

    Because the announcement about Fable 2 isn't Fable 3.
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    How is Fable 3 an announcement about Fable 2?
  • siro 5 years ago

    Breaking News: VG247 needs a bigger server.
  • Domovoi 5 years ago

    Two Napoleontic games on the front page. I'm calling it: Napoleon is the new WW2 for games. Prepare for Call of Duty: Waterloo.
  • PlushGraffiti 5 years ago

    Fable 3 \o/
  • Lady_Macbeth 5 years ago

    YAY! Fable III!
  • lavalant 5 years ago

    What's fleshy pink and fishy?



    salmon....arrrghhhhhahaha.



    I just thought of that there now, just as peter M walked o stage, its true, the mans an inspiration.
  • siro 5 years ago

    There we go. Whooo... Or something.
  • Domovoi 5 years ago

    Weird, a "hi!" message appeared, then I refreshed and it was gone again.
  • coolbritannia 5 years ago

    See, they said hi, calm down people.
  • coolbritannia 5 years ago

    Sony voting down teh comments?
  • siro 5 years ago

    Nonsense. Nothing going on anywhere yet. They probably don't have the internetz. Or some power failure or whatever.
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    Yay, it's started. I'm going to grudgingly read it, and then I'm gonna go back to a proper site, like IGN.
  • cyacomini 5 years ago

    "Is this an MS or EG issue?"



    Well I did ask the question, nobody answered (or cared!) ;)
  • alimokrane 5 years ago

    IGN are in. the conf hasnt started yet. u can read a bit of description of the stage

    http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articl
    es/101/1...
  • Der_tolle_Emil 5 years ago

    I SEE THE LIGHT!
  • Domovoi 5 years ago

    You didn't know if the site was broken either, but that didn't stop you from proclaiming that as fact.
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    WELL I WOULDN'T KNOW WOULD I.
  • Domovoi 5 years ago

    It hasn't even started yet, jeez.
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    We're missing everything, I don't even know why I bother coming here any more, this site has gone to the dogs.
  • cyacomini 5 years ago

    It's late!



    Is this an MS or EG issue?



    *runs to alternative site



    *finds one - http://www.vg247.com/2009/08/19/
    gamescom...
  • GuiltySpark 5 years ago

    IT'S 9 OCLOCK WERE R TEH GAMZ
  • Domovoi 5 years ago

    Maybe this is from an existing Lionhead game, but the Winston Churchill/Followers/Subject/Gunf
    ire/Rosepetals thing that's going on on the Lionhead website seems to hint to some sort of alternate history world war 2 thing? Actually it probably wouldn't be actual WW2, but at least something involving semi-allies and semi-nazis, judging from the banner imagery.
  • siro 5 years ago

    ffs... I don't have inline comments anymore on any article, even though it's still set in the settings. Reading comments along the presser is what makes it fun!
  • Bazfrag 5 years ago

    Damn i have to actually go out this morning :( @smelly. its eurogamer. look at the shit in the ps3 comments pages. The mods here encourage trolling and possibly jerk off to it? Prove me wrong Eg. Every topic gets derailed by idiots. Its depressing.
  • The_Sheep 5 years ago

    link for live feed???

    anyone??
  • StooMonster 5 years ago

    smelly: who knows.



    Personally I reckon it's going to be Black & White 3 controlled by Natal (I think the B&W theme on site is a big clue, or red herring)
  • solidSnake04 5 years ago

    its the spelling
  • smelly 5 years ago

    Gees.. what's with all the negativity towards me?



    I mean.. i post saying "b&w3 or fable 3" - and get FOURTEEN negatives?!? Wtf?



    I could understand if i was being some sort of fanboy here or something! But REALLY?!?!





    As fot natal - i'm sure it'll be the best thing since sliced bread and wont be really inaccurate/laggy.

  • Quickstick4 5 years ago

    Really hope there is something from Rareware, love and loved ALL of there games. Doesn't mean there the best games in the world anymore, but still love em.,
  • miiiguel 5 years ago

    Guess you don't dig Nirvana...
  • miiiguel 5 years ago

    I'm a negative creep

    and I'm stoned!

    I'm a negative creep!



    Daddy's little girl ain't a girl no more.
  • mkreku 5 years ago

    @WinterSnowblind: I agree. Or at least let the system keep track of everyone's total rating! Like, if I voted ten times plus and five times negative, my personal score would be +5. That way we could at least get an indication of who's the negative nancy around here.
  • cyacomini 5 years ago

    Lost Planet 2 demo up tomorrow (gold punters only!)



    Starting 9am on Wednesday 19 August, Xbox LIVE Gold subscribers can join forces against a monstrous G-Type Salamander Akrid boss in Lost Planet 2.



    http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/news-f
    eatures/...
  • WinterSnowblind 5 years ago

    Who on Earth goes through the comments voting *everyone* down?

    We really need a better system here.
  • busboy33 5 years ago

    "But the pages have also been switching between black and white on each day. Colour scheme, or a clever hint? ;)"



    If it isn't a none-too-subtle hint about Black and White, then Peter M. officially goes back to being a douche in my book. That's just cruel. It would be like Rare saying they were "TRIPLE" excited to anounce a "KILLER" app coming thats going to appeal to your "INSTINCT"s, then announcing Viva Pinata 3.
  • pinochet_cz 5 years ago

    "...with senior personnel telling Eurogamer that they regard the Cologne event as a European show and won't be attending in force."

    Finally someone said it. After years of dual pricing, late releases, banned countries, banned content, halfworking video marketplace...someone@microsoft.
    com said: I am really sick off Europe. Ok, we listen.
  • WinterSnowblind 5 years ago

    Hand gestures? We've seen Natal can pick up on them, and considering they were all very varied in the previous B&W games, I don't see the problem. More likely than a Fable 3 with full on Natal expression system.



    Whatever it is, it is going to be on Natal.
  • smelly 5 years ago

    I think a lot of people are over expecting what natal can actually do.

  • WinterSnowblind 5 years ago

    It's a bit soon for Fable 3, although it does fit with the Revolution theme.

    But the pages have also been switching between black and white on each day. Colour scheme, or a clever hint? ;)



    Both Black & White and Fable would work really well with natal, so it's pretty much up in the air. But I think the controls would work better with Black & White.. You don't have to directly control a character, and it uses a lot of hand gestures.



    Fireball.. EXTREME!
  • smelly 5 years ago

    that said Lionhead have had a countdown going on their website.. 2 days to go..



    So I'm guessing fable 3 will be announced.

  • smelly 5 years ago

    >Are we expecting anything big?



    Im not.. there's no way all the platform holders can give big information at ALL the conferences...

  • Xerx3s 5 years ago

    "No, I don't think we are expecting anything big to be announced. "



    Other than the new lionhead game?
  • WinterSnowblind 5 years ago

    I think the biggest thing is:

    http://lionhead.com/



    Hopefully it's a new Black & White game. Rare have also been talking a lot about Natal and perhaps we'll get some clarification on the Arcade price incrase, I'd guess that it's going to have a lot of internal memory now, but we'll see. Hopefully they'll announce bigger HDD's at cheaper price points too.
  • Britesparc 5 years ago

    I'm hoping they clarify the situation re: pricing and SKUs. Given the Arcade's price increase, it'd be nice to see it pundled with a hard drive (which I know makes it a pro, technically, but I'm working with what I've been given...). Also confirmation of Natal's release date (and final name?!) would be nice.



    But yes: I expect dates for Facebook, Twitter, Sky/Canal; and reveal of Lionhead's new game.
  • RobotRocker 5 years ago

    Might be something to do with what Rare and Lionhead are working on since those two are Microsofts big European studios.
  • woodnotes 5 years ago

    Probably some news about their Sky & cAnal+ deals. And Black & White: somethingorother.
  • matrim83 5 years ago

    There has been that countdown on the Lionhead website. If its a countdown. I guess that could be something.
  • busboy33 5 years ago

    Why doesn't MS stream these over XBL? I still can't wrap my head around that.
  • rotmm 5 years ago

    No, I don't think we are expecting anything big to be announced.



    However, there may still be a surprise or two. That "Teh Internets" has been quiet is possibly because (a) It's all about PS3Slim or (b) MS is generally better at keeping secrets.
  • matrim83 5 years ago

    Are we expecting anything big? The internet has been strangely quite about this.

Our live coverage has now ended. Here's what you missed: Updating...

09:08 By Robert Purchese

Wilkommen, bienvenue, welcome to the Microsoft / Lionhead press conference.


09:09 By Robert Purchese

We're sitting in a big room in the Koelnmessse. There are medieval style-banners hanging from the walls - blue and red with crowns and fleur de lys on one side of the room, black with bloody eagle symbols on the other.


09:15 By Robert Purchese

Molynoire is on stage.


09:12 By Robert Purchese

Molynoire is talking about the success he's had so far. "I've got a little bit of an announcement about Fable II."


09:13 By Robert Purchese

It's something called "Fable episodic". As of September 29th, episodes 1 - 5 will be released.


09:14 By Robert Purchese

The first chapter will be free - when you get to the end of one you can opt to buy the next one, or buy the rest of the game.


09:14 By Robert Purchese

"Let's move on to talk about something else... FABLE III"


09:15 By Robert Purchese

"Now of course we're developing Fable III. We'd be insane not to." Check the Eurogamer front page RIGHT NOW, Fable fans!


09:15 By Robert Purchese

"The third child is always the problem child," says Peter.


09:15 By Robert Purchese

"The third game in the series tends to be a bit of a lull, you get bored of playing the character and the world..."


09:16 By Robert Purchese

"We want people to expect the unexpected. I want fans to say, 'Oi, you should clean up this from Fable 2" and so on.


09:16 By Robert Purchese

He wants to give us something really "new, fresh and different". In the first game, "We made a really good step forward with the dog" AAA STOP GOING ON ABOUT THE BLOODY DOG.


09:17 By Robert Purchese

"I think there's something fundamentally wrong with RPGs like Fable... It's a mechanic that's been there since the eighties. I'm going to take that foundation stone and throw it away."


09:17 By Robert Purchese

But he won't tell us what the foundation stone is today - he's leaving it as a "puzzle" for us. Thanks. Will it have a cat this time, Peter?


09:18 By Robert Purchese

"For me, as a games designer, it's all about power and you feeling powerful."


09:19 By Robert Purchese

He's showing us a Fable III teaser video now. "The kingdom of Albion is changing," says Zoe Wanamaker. "The kingdom needs a new leader."


09:19 By Robert Purchese

On screen is a crown lying in woodland. A pair of feet under a skirt wander over. "The race for the crown has begun."


09:20 By Robert Purchese

Peter again: "You are going to become the ruler of the whole of Albion. You've played in this land in Fable 1, in Fable 2 you became a hero; this time, why not rule Albion? Why not be a king or a queen?"


09:20 By Robert Purchese

Your judgments will affect the whole of the land. "I want players to feel and experience what it's like to be a ruler."


09:21 By Robert Purchese

"If you look at our iconic leaders like Obama or HAHAHA Gordon Brown HAHAHA" what? "History and the world and the evolution of mankind is based around these iconic leaders."


09:21 By Robert Purchese

Do you get to "be" Barack Obama? That would be good.


09:21 By Robert Purchese

You can "eradicate poverty" says Peter by giving all the money in your treasure room to the people. Or you can keep it all yourself and be more of a tyrant. The point is, there are always consequences.


09:22 By Robert Purchese

You have a family as well - a king or a queen sitting at your side. Do you also have a son called Milo, Peter?


09:22 By Robert Purchese

Concept shot now - a king sits on a throne surrounded by a nagging wife and loads of rotten kids.


09:23 By Robert Purchese

Another pic - a queen relaxing on her throne, using a peasant as a footstool. A bit like when Bertie helps me review Wii games. [Hey! - Bertie]


09:23 By Robert Purchese

You start the game as the son or daughter of the Hero from Fable II. For the first half of the game you have to lead a revolution against the tyrant king.


09:23 By Robert Purchese

You must gather support, gain followers and unite factions.


09:24 By Robert Purchese

"We've really been inspired by people like Joan of Arc, Richard III, Genghis Khan, Ben Fogle." Maybe not the last one.


09:24 By Robert Purchese

"Ultimately you overthrow that terrible tyrant who rules Albion, but to do that you have to make some promises."


09:24 By Robert Purchese

This bit of the game is called Journey to Rule, looks like. You have to promise things to the people who follow you.


09:26 By Robert Purchese

The question is, do you keep those promises when you rule? "I look at Obama, and he's not looking as fresh faced as he was, is he? He looks a bit haggard. It's as if the truth has been revealed to him."


09:26 By Robert Purchese

I wonder if Barack Obama is watching a live feed of this going, "How does Peter Molyneux stay so fresh-faced and young?"


09:27 By Robert Purchese

A new slide now - Once You Rule. You're still a hero ruler, "very much like the captain in Star Trek".


09:28 By Robert Purchese

You are a hero like Ceaser (sic) or Gengis khan (sic - who wrote these slides?)


09:28 By Robert Purchese

You must decide which promises you can keep. You can use your gold to build up a certain region, help poorer people, let people off taxes and so on.


09:29 By Robert Purchese

He's now showing us the image you'll see on the Eurogamer front page now. You can decide who will exist there, "Or whether it will be basically one person's back garden."


09:29 By Robert Purchese

"There's a new house there - what are you going to do with that?" Add a conservatory?


09:30 By Robert Purchese

Another pic now - a grey canal between cobbled streets. It's an industrial district - "a lot of injustice, crime, poverty" here. "What are you going to do about that?" Put in a Lidl?


09:31 By Robert Purchese

A pic of the castle now, with the sun setting in the background. Are you going to spend loads of money on upgrading it, or let it go to rack and ruin and spend money on the poor? I vote loft conversion.


09:31 By Robert Purchese

Another pic under the title "Not just Albion this time" - looks like a desert with strange pointy rocks sticking out of the sand. "You haven't seen all of Albion... We'll be unveiling more of that world in Fable III."


09:31 By Robert Purchese

A new slide now - "Drama". Getting drama is tricky, says Peter. He should watch The Hills.


09:32 By Robert Purchese

The slide says there will be some characters from Fable II returning.


09:32 By Robert Purchese

"Look up the tale of what's happened in Oman in the last hundred years - it's fascinating and it almost fits perfectly what we're trying to do."


09:32 By Robert Purchese

Apparently one brother tried to hold Oman back and the other tried to overthrow him - "It's like a story in itself."


09:33 By Robert Purchese

"When you start investigating that, the amount of intrigue, backstabbing, terrible events that went on is almost unbelievable."


09:33 By Robert Purchese

"But the big problem games have time and time again, especially with something like Fable - it's such a massive game... The big problem is seeing the story early enough."


09:34 By Robert Purchese

They didn't quite get to the drama in Fable I and II because they didn't get to see the story till the game was almost finished.


09:34 By Robert Purchese

So they've been experimenting with a new way of seeing the story early - it's called "staging". They wrote all the scripts, then went to Shepperton and hired a big sound stage, got a load of actors and actresses in and a proper director, and started acting out the whole story.


09:35 By Robert Purchese

We're seeing some footage of that now. A woman kneels in front of a man on the throne - she is accused of treason.


09:35 By Robert Purchese

Molynoire says they'd written the scene with the King walking around, but the staging and the ad-libbing by the actors enabled them to recast the whole scene.


09:36 By Robert Purchese

"Our story isn't just one thread, it branches and merges and there are lots of choices and consequences, and we have to get to the centre of that as quickly as possible."


09:36 By Robert Purchese

The staging video then goes back to the animators and the gameplay scripters. They're inspired as a result.


09:37 By Robert Purchese

A new slide now - "Need some new gameplay."


09:37 By Robert Purchese

"I know what you're thinking out there, you press people, because you're sneaky. You're thinking, is it going to be an RTS, then?"


09:38 By Robert Purchese

NO, says Peter. They're putting a new mechanic in called "judgments". As king you can judge people and make them defend themselves.


09:38 By Robert Purchese

Let's take an example - but this example "isn't in the game". Oh.


09:39 By Robert Purchese

Say you're in your throne room and they bring in a girl caught stealing food. You can listen to the witness's statement and arguments for setting an example.


09:39 By Robert Purchese

You can investigate things further yourself, or at any time say you've heard enough and make a judgment.


09:39 By Robert Purchese

Or you can listen to the girl's case and excuses for why she stole. You can go and visit her family, for example, and see if they really are as poor as she says.


09:40 By Robert Purchese

Then you can choose what to do - throw the girl a handful of gold or throw her in the dungeons? Can't you just give her an ASBO and an ankle bracelet, Peter?


09:40 By Robert Purchese

There will be all sorts of judgments: "Everything from a crust of bread being stolen to a huge countrywide thing - shall we go to war?"


09:41 By Robert Purchese

There's another new mechanic called Touch, too.


09:41 By Robert Purchese

He's talking about how the English think farting is funny but Germans don't. Or something.


09:42 By Robert Purchese

They were considering whether to do expressions in Fable III - "Could you really do the Michael Jackson moonwalk on your throne?" Well, he couldn't.


09:42 By Robert Purchese

"In many games for me, the main character feels detached from the world. It's rare you see them physically touching people."


09:42 By Robert Purchese

"In Fable 2, OK you could stroke your dog" that's two dog references now Peter THAT'S ENOUGH.


09:43 By Robert Purchese

"Now we've got this new system of touching. When you meet someone you can shake their hand or refuse to. Later on you can turn that into a hug. Later on that can turn into an embrace." Where is this going?


09:43 By Robert Purchese

"A full passionate snog. Then I won't tell you where it leads to, but you can use your imagination... I'm not saying there's cupping, by the way." Is there teabagging?


09:44 By Robert Purchese

"Imagine being able to embrace your child. How does that make you feel?"


09:45 By Robert Purchese

That's expression touch, but then there's dynamic touch, which "enables you at any time to reach out and touch someone - to hold someone's hand, to pull them along, to be pulled by then, to take the person you love to the top of a cliff and look at the sunset." And cup them?


09:46 By Robert Purchese

"Imagine hearing the cries from a young child in the house, and you as a ruler storm in to save the child." In Fable I and Fable II, you'd get a button prompt - press A to save the child. With dynamic touch, you can pull the child out of the flames and the burning house.


09:46 By Robert Purchese

You can cuddle them and reassure them and carry them out of the burning house. BUT WHO WILL SAVE THE DOG PETER.


09:46 By Robert Purchese

"I am going to tease you with how we're doing this" NO CUPPPING PLEASE "That's only one tiny sliver of the gameplay we're unveiling."


09:46 By Robert Purchese

Fable III is out in 2010 - "Don't expect it too early in 2010"


09:47 By Robert Purchese

"On the Xbox 360. And we're still working hard on Milo and Kate."


09:47 By Robert Purchese

"Please enjoy the sense of power we're going to give you with Fable III."


09:47 By Robert Purchese

"One more thing - I am giving a talk at 1pm where I'm going into more detail about choices and consequences." Righto.


09:48 By Robert Purchese

And he's off, and it looks like that's it. What no Xbox 360 Slim?


09:49 By Robert Purchese

Well there you go, a first glimpse at Fable III from Pierre Molynoire himself. For more, check out our exclusive feature on the front page right now. Byeee!