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Fable 2 Pub Games Review

Xbox 360 Review by Tom Bramwell

14 August, 2008

The idea behind Fable 2 Pub Games is a Peter Molyneux special: gamble fictional cash and one day you can merge your Pub Games drunkard profile with your Fable 2 hero profile for a wodge of extra green on the streets of Albion. Or in this case gold. Pub Games will be bundled with Fable 2 - the standard and special editions - and is also available as a pre-order incentive for people who pick the game up at specific retailers, including branches of GAME in the UK. (Update: Lionhead now says something's up with this and codes aren't being distributed after all. We'll look into it.)

The question we've got to answer today though is whether Fable 2 Pub Games is good enough to stand alone, which is what it does on Xbox Live Arcade: you may be able to get it for free elsewhere, but otherwise it costs 800 Microsoft Points, or the equivalent of GBP 6.80 / EUR 9.60. Does it do enough to justify that?

Booting it up, you're presented with the choice of six playable characters, each with a fancy Robin Hood-style wanted poster avatar, and there are six "Hero" slots to fill as well, which is where your Fable 2 characters will be offered. Once you've made this initially arbitrary choice, you'd best head to the Tutorials page to get acquainted with the three gambling mini-games on offer.

Each of them is unique to Fable 2 Pub Games, but fairly familiar. Spinnerbox, for example, is a slots machine where you specify how much gold you want to bet and then spin the box to try and match symbols and bank prize money. The number of spinning symbols varies from box to box and there are a range of bonus variables, along with a winnings calculator to help you manage your bets.

Keystone, meanwhile, is a variation on roulette or craps. A keystone bridge is assembled over a semi-circular board, and each of the bricks in the arch is given a number between 1 and 18. You stack your chips on the bricks, and in segmented areas beneath them, and then win or lose cash based on the roll of three dice.

'Fable 2 Pub Games' Screenshot 1

Fortune's Tower isn't hateful. But it's not very good.

The third and final game is called Fortune's Tower, and is a bit more unusual. You place an initial bet and then three cards are laid out - one is face down, while the other two are face up in a row beneath it. You then blindly lay additional rows and get the option to bank the total number they add up to in gold.

The element of risk is that every time a card in the new row lines up diagonally with the same number in the previous row, it burns out and potentially ends the game. The only things that can rescue you are that single, face-down card at the top of the pyramid, which swoops in to save the day (providing it too isn't a match for a card in the previous row), and special hero cards, which save the entire row from any problems with diagonals.

There are a few potential pitfalls with all this. The obvious one is that, if you make tons of gold, it could unbalance Fable 2's difficulty curve - even in a game that hopes to be extremely open-ended. Of course, we won't be able to judge the impact of a pile of free money until Fable 2 itself launches on 24th October, but if our Pub Games experience (mountains of debt!) is anything to go by, only the lucky few will get to find out whether it breaks Lionhead's opus.

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Keystone is a bit dull, but nowhere near as dull as the slots game.

More worrying is that all three of the games are very simple once you've absorbed the windy tutorials, and that none of them boasts accompanying depth. There are a few strategies you can adopt to achieve greater gains (don't keep going in Fortune's Tower when you've used up the card at the top and you're already set to make a bit of money, for instance), but for the most part these are games of chance with the odds stacked against you. Just as it is down the pub.

There's a Tournament mode, in which you can compete against the AI over several rounds, but no online multiplayer. There are leaderboards (it's a technical requirement for XBLA games, remember), but whether you will be able to take much pride in achieving a big tournament total is debatable. The most fun we had was fluking a victory against the AI by placing ludicrously large bets in Fortune's Tower.

Virtually the only other things of note are the 200 Gamerpoints you can unlock by questing after the Achievements (in theory this means Fable 2 is worth 1200 out of the box, since Pub Games comes free - assuming that's the way it's bundled), and the 15 unlockable "unique" items you can then transfer into Fable 2. These include plaited hair, backflip training for your dog, some tattoos, a couple of weapons and a magical ring.

It's difficult to argue that these represent an 800 Microsoft Points value (the phrase "horse armour" springs to mind), and, overall, it would be impossible to argue that Fable 2 Pub Games represents value for that money. The marriage of XBLA and boxed game is a nice idea, but the Pub Games themselves are lightweight and boring, and the potential benefits for Fable 2 players are the sorts of things typically bundled on Collector's Edition bonus disks in the first place - and typically overlooked by the majority of players who can think of better ways to spend the extra money. Down the pub, for instance. If you're looking at this without an eye to buying Fable 2, definitely don't bother. If you're itching for Fable 2 and can't resist, make sure you take advantage of a pre-order deal. Either way its inoffensive composition isn't enough to escape censure.

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Benno
14/08/08 @ 10:41
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shit then
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14/08/08 @ 10:42
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Agreed, they're awful! Nice idea, but about as much fun as stabbing yourself in your eye with a pencil. Completly luck based, no skill involved, and the odds are so badly stacked against you that you're never gonna make any kind of profit.

Only worth getting if you're getting them free, though judging by the fact that no retailers in the UK seem to be doing the codes, you might have a bit of a problem with that.
cyacomini
14/08/08 @ 10:45
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Oh crap..

Back to Ticket to Ride then..

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14/08/08 @ 10:45
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"and is also available as a pre-order incentive for people who pick the game up at specific retailers, including branches of GAME in the UK."

Actually no, that site you linked to actually says:

"There appears to be some confusion over the participating retailers list we posted on our site. We are very sorry for this as we posted it in good faith. We are trying to resolve this confusion as soon as possible. We hope to publish an update shortly. Thank you for your patience."

So currently only people in the US have this offer, people everywhere else have to either buy this for 800MP or wait to see what happens. I've read instances where other people have contacted their local Game stores only for them to not have a clue about this. Last I heard is that Game is still in talks with Microsoft over this matter, nothings been decided as of yet.
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mcmonkeyplc
14/08/08 @ 10:46
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Good idea, shit implementation.
Chaote-Imagicka
14/08/08 @ 10:46
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Keystone, meanwhile, is a variation on roulette or craps. A keystone bridge is assembled over a semi-circular board, and each of the bricks in the arch is given a number between 1 and 18. You stack your chips on the bricks, and in segmented areas beneath them, and then win or lose cash based on the roll of three dice.

Lol wat?
Whizzo
14/08/08 @ 10:47
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3/10 is too high a rating for this complete waste of time, effort and disc space. I can't see myself playing these in Fable 2 either, I've had much more entertainment from stubbing my toe.
muscleblade
14/08/08 @ 10:49
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Why anyone would buy this the same month as Braid, GW2 and BC:R is beyond me. Unless you also buy those of course.
daz_john_smith
14/08/08 @ 10:49
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So, do the XBLA versions of the Pub Games (including achievenents) come bundled on the Fable 2 game disc or are the Pub Games built into the game?
HardToast
14/08/08 @ 10:56
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LOL, same score as Fable 2 will get no doubt.
Dezm0nd
14/08/08 @ 10:57
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The games industry is awful nowadays, these are games which are definitely meant to be playable within Fable 2 in a pub but because they think we're idiots they decide to rip them out of Fable 2 and release a pre-game for 7 quid with some phony gimmick.

It wouldnt be AS bad if it wasn't a pile of shit, but this is taking the piss.
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14/08/08 @ 10:58
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Should have been free, no other way to get this out there.
DUFFMAN5
14/08/08 @ 11:00
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I think this will end up hurting Fable 2, at least in the eyes of the people who are going to purchase.. I'm pissed off, the games are total wank and should have been free at the very least or not been up on Live at all.
Leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Get an interview with PM and ask him what the fuck is going on!
Xerx3s
14/08/08 @ 11:01
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Played it yesterday, definitely not worth 800 msp.
Lutz [mod]
14/08/08 @ 11:01
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As a massive fan of XBLA, Fable and little games like this can I just say that 3/10 is too high a mark?
Kremlik
14/08/08 @ 11:05
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It's a novel idea, it's still fun however due to the fact EVERYTHING is based on luck it's damn near impossible to 'win', kinda agree but it's a bit harsh to say the actal game will be the same
iancognito
14/08/08 @ 11:06
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It's put me off pre-ordering. Think they've got this marketing strategy (gimmick?) a bit wrong.
jonsaan
14/08/08 @ 11:07
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They should have just done the Same thing but with real pub games. Not made up rubbish ones. Shame.

/Fable 2 alarm bell starts to ring.
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miiiguel
14/08/08 @ 11:10
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Instant buy. Historical reasons and shit.

(then again, I do not drink)
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14/08/08 @ 11:14
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Yes, carp indeed, they can't even be called games. You don't do shit most of the time.

I still have high hopes for Fable but this can only hurt it. What the hell are they thinking.
link'sdad
14/08/08 @ 11:25
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Some people (companies) have no shame. 800 points to play a demo of the worset bits of a game!! (They better be the worst bits!)So much for EA quality being so much better these days. Except they arent even publishing it (thanks Brooza) Pete hasnt been with them for a looong time.

Fingers crossed for good reviews of the full game or I will be missing this one despite looking forward to it for a long while.

edited to confim closer to English standards and to correct my lie about EA publishing this.
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andywilkie35
14/08/08 @ 11:27
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its like they took some good ideas and thought "how can we make this absolutely terrible"

like the one with the dice and those blocks (can't remember what its called and i hate it so much i'm not even gonna look it up) - they took roulette, took the dice one (craps?) and put them together, and just added a load of complicated shit on top!

i honestly think what they should have done is literally taken games that exist, i.e. roulette, blackjack etc and just put them in as they are. obviously not very imaginitive but i'd rather have something that makes sense than this bollocks
Darren
14/08/08 @ 11:34
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It was a nice idea but it doesn't sound like it's worked out very well, especially as the pre-order code from GAME which was supposed to allow us to play these games for free are nowhere to be seen! From the words of the review, I certainly would not pay £6.80 for it.

Still I'm sure Fable 2 itself won't disappoint... I never played the mini-games in the original Xbox game anyway come to think of it...
moggsy
14/08/08 @ 11:38
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Sounds like this whole idea has backfired badly. Shame.
superted
14/08/08 @ 11:43
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this has made me cancel my pre-order, total rubbish...
andromeda
14/08/08 @ 11:45
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i wouldnt even piss on these games, not even with someone elses.
anomagnus
14/08/08 @ 11:45
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this was a bad idea, free, i might have worked, but charging before hand....

backfire
muscleblade
14/08/08 @ 11:46
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"Historical reasons and shit"

I dont get it. What to you mean? Wtf is the historical reasons that makes you pay for crappy games but ignore fantastic ones.

Edit: I dont drink either btw.

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Peew971
14/08/08 @ 11:46
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I got them for free somehow and can't spend more than 5 mins at once on them :)
The odds are so bad, you're unlikely to be rich before Fable II comes out.
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14/08/08 @ 11:46
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This won't unbalance Fable 2 because the odds are really stacked against you in Fortune and the roulette one but Spinnerbox is dependant on the payout ratio of the code which is not specified.
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14/08/08 @ 11:48
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I asked yesterday, why these were being sold separately when they should simply be in the main game anyway. The usual defence force poped up to tell me I was being too harsh and that it was somehow a good idea to pay extra money for something so idiotic.

So with pomp and ceremony I dutifully take up position for a last laugh at those who would advocate such money making nonsense!

ha ha and a ha ha ha ha to you sir!
Peew971
14/08/08 @ 11:48
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Ok they screwed up on this idea... But why do people cancel their preorders based on this? This is not Fable II, Fable II is a RPG! What's wrong with you people?
muscleblade
14/08/08 @ 11:50
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"As a massive fan of XBLA, Fable and little games like this can I just say that 3/10 is too high a mark?"

You can say it cause it is.
brooza
14/08/08 @ 12:00
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"So much for EA quality being so much better these days."

What do EA have to do with this?
brooza
14/08/08 @ 12:01
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"But why do people cancel their preorders based on this"

Probably cancelling their preorders at Game and getting it somewhere else for a tenner less
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14/08/08 @ 12:05
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I also dont understand why you would cancel a pre order. Presumably you didnt buy the games without trying them and its no indication of the overall quality of Fable 2 (at least not yet).

I was all set to buy it but after using the useful trial option decided I only liked the first game so didnt bother.
iancognito
14/08/08 @ 12:06
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Has anyone actually canceled a pre-order then?
Mugwum [staff]
14/08/08 @ 12:10
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EffEmmGee:

"Actually no, that site you linked to actually says: "

The perils of writing on Tuesday and publishing on Thursday! I've added something to the text to reflect this.

I've also tweaked the line about "1200 Gamerpoints", since, as daz_john_smith posits, they might not actually be there as an XBLA product, thus negating the extra gamerpoints. Didn't occur to me at the time. We'll try and find out, obviously.

And yes, do not buy this rubbish.
Peew971
14/08/08 @ 12:10
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I know a few people on several forums have decided not to buy Fable II based on the pub games, which is plain stupid.
groovychainsaw
14/08/08 @ 12:22
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I actually enjoy the fortune's tower game (so sue me), but the other 2 are pretty boring (esp the slot machine - wtf?!). It's not really worth the money, but the tournaments for fortune's tower have kept me going so far.

The slot machine tournament has to be the most ridiculous thing i have ever played though. The ygive you the money (you just pay a fee to enter), then get 100 spins on the machine. So... basically hit 'a' 100 times, slowly. Then you either win or... erm... lose. It's entirely dependant on the code, no decision making required! The spinner box game gets 0/10, keystnoe 1/10, fortune's tower 7/10, so 3/10 seems like a fair average.
GordonCaladan
14/08/08 @ 12:25
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Thank you for condemning this rip-off.
bongofury
14/08/08 @ 12:25
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I have also been looking forward to fable 2, its a shame the pub games are pretty terrible... the fruit machine one could have copied more popular modern fruit machines and allow you to nudge etc!!

My only concern is that the folks at lionhead especially PM thought that a) these games were really fun and b) that they were worth nearly 7 quid of our cash... ( i know, free if in the game and if you pre order but still). I think that people are cancelling their pre orders beacuse they are concerned about other parts of Fable 2 that lionhead thought might be "fun" as well!!

I may have pre ordered this but i will now wait till the reviews come out in late october.
Darren
14/08/08 @ 12:35
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I think someone mentioned it yesterday but really these games should be been completely FREE for everyone (regardless of whether they'd pre-ordered Fable 2 or not) and used as a promotional tool to help sell the main game...

... well, it might have worked better if the mini-games themselves had actually been good, mind! LOL
muscleblade
14/08/08 @ 12:43
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Not a huge fan of the first Fable. Fable 2 needs to get a metacritic average of 85% or higher for me to even consider purchasing it. Gears 2 and Left4 dead is out two weeks later and those will easily get an average of above 90% and i know i will be getting those two for sure.
Markusdragon
14/08/08 @ 12:49
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I cancelled my preorder, but ordered it at GAME instead to hopefully get this :/

I can see myself having a fortune's tower addiction. I really like it for some reason.
Widge
14/08/08 @ 12:51
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Surely a metacritic average doesn't mean that you'd like it? Its all down to taste....
kangarootoo
14/08/08 @ 13:02
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@Peew971

People who write "/cancels preorder" never had a preorder. Its just a fanboy mechanic, which for some reason everyone thinks is very clever and so keeps using.
kangarootoo
14/08/08 @ 13:05
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The principal behind all of this is great. Two games, played seperate, but communicating through save data and influencing each other (I'd like to think I thought of it first, but I almost certainly didn't) is a fine and dandy idea. And the idea of using currency as the basis for a first outing in this area is also a great idea.

.... the only problem is that the games that form one side of the bargain are shite.

If the games were good, we would all be delighted. So lets not let these cynical golden oxen spoil our perception of the underlying principal.

/never had preorder, because I've never quite seen the point of them.
Rirekon
14/08/08 @ 13:08
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The big problem with them is that they are true casino games, the odds are seriously against you and there's minimal skill involved at any level.
I certainly won't be paying for the full version.
muscleblade
14/08/08 @ 13:11
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"Surely a metacritic average doesn't mean that you'd like it? Its all down to taste.... "

It usually helps though. Dark Sector is one of my favourite games this year so yes taste is part of the equation too.

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