Fable 2 Pub Games Review
We're not that drunk.
Version tested: Xbox 360
The idea behind Fable 2 Pub Games is a Peter Molyneux special: gamble fictional cash and one day you can merge your Pub Games drunkard profile with your Fable 2 hero profile for a wodge of extra green on the streets of Albion. Or in this case gold. Pub Games will be bundled with Fable 2 - the standard and special editions - and is also available as a pre-order incentive for people who pick the game up at specific retailers, including branches of GAME in the UK. (Update: Lionhead now says something's up with this and codes aren't being distributed after all. We'll look into it.)
The question we've got to answer today though is whether Fable 2 Pub Games is good enough to stand alone, which is what it does on Xbox Live Arcade: you may be able to get it for free elsewhere, but otherwise it costs 800 Microsoft Points, or the equivalent of GBP 6.80 / EUR 9.60. Does it do enough to justify that?
Booting it up, you're presented with the choice of six playable characters, each with a fancy Robin Hood-style wanted poster avatar, and there are six "Hero" slots to fill as well, which is where your Fable 2 characters will be offered. Once you've made this initially arbitrary choice, you'd best head to the Tutorials page to get acquainted with the three gambling mini-games on offer.
Each of them is unique to Fable 2 Pub Games, but fairly familiar. Spinnerbox, for example, is a slots machine where you specify how much gold you want to bet and then spin the box to try and match symbols and bank prize money. The number of spinning symbols varies from box to box and there are a range of bonus variables, along with a winnings calculator to help you manage your bets.
Keystone, meanwhile, is a variation on roulette or craps. A keystone bridge is assembled over a semi-circular board, and each of the bricks in the arch is given a number between 1 and 18. You stack your chips on the bricks, and in segmented areas beneath them, and then win or lose cash based on the roll of three dice.

Fortune's Tower isn't hateful. But it's not very good.
The third and final game is called Fortune's Tower, and is a bit more unusual. You place an initial bet and then three cards are laid out - one is face down, while the other two are face up in a row beneath it. You then blindly lay additional rows and get the option to bank the total number they add up to in gold.
The element of risk is that every time a card in the new row lines up diagonally with the same number in the previous row, it burns out and potentially ends the game. The only things that can rescue you are that single, face-down card at the top of the pyramid, which swoops in to save the day (providing it too isn't a match for a card in the previous row), and special hero cards, which save the entire row from any problems with diagonals.
There are a few potential pitfalls with all this. The obvious one is that, if you make tons of gold, it could unbalance Fable 2's difficulty curve - even in a game that hopes to be extremely open-ended. Of course, we won't be able to judge the impact of a pile of free money until Fable 2 itself launches on 24th October, but if our Pub Games experience (mountains of debt!) is anything to go by, only the lucky few will get to find out whether it breaks Lionhead's opus.

Keystone is a bit dull, but nowhere near as dull as the slots game.
More worrying is that all three of the games are very simple once you've absorbed the windy tutorials, and that none of them boasts accompanying depth. There are a few strategies you can adopt to achieve greater gains (don't keep going in Fortune's Tower when you've used up the card at the top and you're already set to make a bit of money, for instance), but for the most part these are games of chance with the odds stacked against you. Just as it is down the pub.
There's a Tournament mode, in which you can compete against the AI over several rounds, but no online multiplayer. There are leaderboards (it's a technical requirement for XBLA games, remember), but whether you will be able to take much pride in achieving a big tournament total is debatable. The most fun we had was fluking a victory against the AI by placing ludicrously large bets in Fortune's Tower.
Virtually the only other things of note are the 200 Gamerpoints you can unlock by questing after the Achievements (in theory this means Fable 2 is worth 1200 out of the box, since Pub Games comes free - assuming that's the way it's bundled), and the 15 unlockable "unique" items you can then transfer into Fable 2. These include plaited hair, backflip training for your dog, some tattoos, a couple of weapons and a magical ring.
It's difficult to argue that these represent an 800 Microsoft Points value (the phrase "horse armour" springs to mind), and, overall, it would be impossible to argue that Fable 2 Pub Games represents value for that money. The marriage of XBLA and boxed game is a nice idea, but the Pub Games themselves are lightweight and boring, and the potential benefits for Fable 2 players are the sorts of things typically bundled on Collector's Edition bonus disks in the first place - and typically overlooked by the majority of players who can think of better ways to spend the extra money. Down the pub, for instance. If you're looking at this without an eye to buying Fable 2, definitely don't bother. If you're itching for Fable 2 and can't resist, make sure you take advantage of a pre-order deal. Either way its inoffensive composition isn't enough to escape censure.
3 / 10
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Only worth getting if you're getting them free, though judging by the fact that no retailers in the UK seem to be doing the codes, you might have a bit of a problem with that.
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Back to Ticket to Ride then..
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Actually no, that site you linked to actually says:
"There appears to be some confusion over the participating retailers list we posted on our site. We are very sorry for this as we posted it in good faith. We are trying to resolve this confusion as soon as possible. We hope to publish an update shortly. Thank you for your patience."
So currently only people in the US have this offer, people everywhere else have to either buy this for 800MP or wait to see what happens. I've read instances where other people have contacted their local Game stores only for them to not have a clue about this. Last I heard is that Game is still in talks with Microsoft over this matter, nothings been decided as of yet.
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Lol wat?
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It wouldnt be AS bad if it wasn't a pile of shit, but this is taking the piss.
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Leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Get an interview with PM and ask him what the fuck is going on!
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/Fable 2 alarm bell starts to ring.
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(then again, I do not drink)
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I still have high hopes for Fable but this can only hurt it. What the hell are they thinking.
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Fingers crossed for good reviews of the full game or I will be missing this one despite looking forward to it for a long while.
edited to confim closer to English standards and to correct my lie about EA publishing this.
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like the one with the dice and those blocks (can't remember what its called and i hate it so much i'm not even gonna look it up) - they took roulette, took the dice one (craps?) and put them together, and just added a load of complicated shit on top!
i honestly think what they should have done is literally taken games that exist, i.e. roulette, blackjack etc and just put them in as they are. obviously not very imaginitive but i'd rather have something that makes sense than this bollocks
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Still I'm sure Fable 2 itself won't disappoint... I never played the mini-games in the original Xbox game anyway come to think of it...
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this has made me cancel my pre-order, total rubbish...
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backfire
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I dont get it. What to you mean? Wtf is the historical reasons that makes you pay for crappy games but ignore fantastic ones.
Edit: I dont drink either btw.
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The odds are so bad, you're unlikely to be rich before Fable II comes out.
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So with pomp and ceremony I dutifully take up position for a last laugh at those who would advocate such money making nonsense!
ha ha and a ha ha ha ha to you sir!
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You can say it cause it is.
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What do EA have to do with this?
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Probably cancelling their preorders at Game and getting it somewhere else for a tenner less
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I was all set to buy it but after using the useful trial option decided I only liked the first game so didnt bother.
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"Actually no, that site you linked to actually says: "
The perils of writing on Tuesday and publishing on Thursday! I've added something to the text to reflect this.
I've also tweaked the line about "1200 Gamerpoints", since, as daz_john_smith posits, they might not actually be there as an XBLA product, thus negating the extra gamerpoints. Didn't occur to me at the time. We'll try and find out, obviously.
And yes, do not buy this rubbish.
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The slot machine tournament has to be the most ridiculous thing i have ever played though. The ygive you the money (you just pay a fee to enter), then get 100 spins on the machine. So... basically hit 'a' 100 times, slowly. Then you either win or... erm... lose. It's entirely dependant on the code, no decision making required! The spinner box game gets 0/10, keystnoe 1/10, fortune's tower 7/10, so 3/10 seems like a fair average.
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My only concern is that the folks at lionhead especially PM thought that a) these games were really fun and b) that they were worth nearly 7 quid of our cash... ( i know, free if in the game and if you pre order but still). I think that people are cancelling their pre orders beacuse they are concerned about other parts of Fable 2 that lionhead thought might be "fun" as well!!
I may have pre ordered this but i will now wait till the reviews come out in late october.
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... well, it might have worked better if the mini-games themselves had actually been good, mind! LOL
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I can see myself having a fortune's tower addiction. I really like it for some reason.
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People who write "/cancels preorder" never had a preorder. Its just a fanboy mechanic, which for some reason everyone thinks is very clever and so keeps using.
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.... the only problem is that the games that form one side of the bargain are shite.
If the games were good, we would all be delighted. So lets not let these cynical golden oxen spoil our perception of the underlying principal.
/never had preorder, because I've never quite seen the point of them.
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I certainly won't be paying for the full version.
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It usually helps though. Dark Sector is one of my favourite games this year so yes taste is part of the equation too.
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Firstly, remember these games are FREE in game.... Secondly, they are FREE to pre-orders (when someone pulls their fingers out in the UK, already working in Europe and the US).
They unlock EXTRA stuff in game, they give you EXTRA achievement points....
Compared to the games in Mass Effect or KOTOR they are way better presented, and the Fortune's Tower thing is pretty fun.... (SpinnerBox is shite)
BUT.....
Whoever decided to release them at 800 points for people who DIDN'T preorder, is clearly a fool, at that price, they are a complete rip off...
Finally, before you all go crucifying LH, i believe these were made by the same company that did UNO on XBLA, not internally at LH so won't be anything like Fable 2.
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I need something other than Banjo-Kazooie to look forward to this winter so I hope Fable 2 actually delivers.
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"Whoever decided to release them at 800 points for people who DIDN'T preorder, is clearly a fool, at that price, they are a complete rip off... "
Whoever buys the games instead of getting them for free is crazy anyway
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800 points? No thanks, it's sheer folly to ask for it, it'll just cause bad blood and it does kind of reinforce the "they promise far more than they deliver" opinion a lot of people have for Lionheads games.
Oh well, still looking forward to Fable 2, but with stuff like this my optimism is definitely waning. I've got a feeling that, by the time it's released, I'll be so convinced that Fable 2 will be shite that the game itself will absolutely amaze me.
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(EDIT:As was me spelling foolish wrong!)
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fuck sony and psn, XBL & GEORS OF WAR 2 FTW
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Errr. I think we can probably all agree that was a narrow escape.
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You seem to be forgetting the combat system, which was much in need of attention from Fable 1, and by all accounts has had quite an overhaul.
As for co-op being almost standard... so its a good thing that LH included it in Fable 2, right?
So besides combat, which areas of Fable 1 did you think needed sorting out?
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Also noticed a little warning if you have a bit too much debt, it'll affect your Fable 2 character.
Imagine just starting off, straight after the tutorial or even during it and you have guys chasing you as you owe them money.
It'll certainly help you get up a few levels I'm sure as you defend yourself.
I suppose it is a bit of a nice touch and you can get plenty of practice in before you commit to joining the profile up with your character in the game. Not much point really if is will be in the game itself, best to save those 800 points.
I have to admit though the Trial of it was good as I was half expecting the "Purchase full game NOW" to come up as I was playing a number of hands of the Fortune's Tower and there was no sign of it until I opted to quit it.
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The tower game has the most skill, but as said the tactics are fairly basic.
The dice game would need a room full of sexy ladies in almost nothing, offering me ale and cheering me when I won anything to keep me playing.
2/10
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As everyone seems to think, Fortunes Tower is a great little minigame. Keystone is also good fun - if a little less accessible. Spinnerbox is good to boost your funds (in a relatively low risk/low pay game) so you can spend them on one of the more "skill" based games.
What I'm more interested in is the integration with the main game. Blagging unique items is neat.
What I agree with everyone else on it that there is no way on earth it is worth 800 MSP. According to GAME, they are "looking at ways of making their pre-orders equally exclusive" since they have stated they aren't doing the code deal. I just hope they give away 800 MSP as a workaround.
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Reading some of these comments though I was quite surprised at peoples reactions. I don't think it's fair to have cancelled pre-orders of this game just because this XBLA mini game was (in your opinions) kinda crappy. Personally, I think it's half decent. I agree, keystone and spinnerbox are DEFINITELY purely luck based. I mean, on spinner box tournaments you have no control over what you're doing whatsoever, all you do is keep spinning the tiles on a fixed bet and hope you get some better combos that the AI.
Fortune's Tower on the other hand is not completely luck based. You need to know when to take your money and run, or when to keep pushing and hope for a jackpot. If you do the wrong things, you lose money, do them right and you'll make a nice wad of cash for when Fable II comes out.
I need to say that all the things about 'there's no way you're gonna make money for Fable II with this game' is utter bullshit. I've already made 10,000 after playing for just a few hours, mainly on Fortune's Tower with a bit of Spinnerbox on the side. Obviously no-one knows how much 10,000 is really going to be worth in the world of Fable II but I'm thinking it's gonna be a nice amount to start with.
Also, the unique items you unlock are pretty cool, you can unlock an enchanted sword, gun and ring that all aid you in battle. The achievements aren't too hard to get and it's a nice little 200 gamer score on the side of the main game. I think this game is just about worth 800MSP but it's definitely not something you can play for hours on end like some XBLA games.
Finally, I find it hard to believe that Lionhead are going to give the US this game for free and not the UK. Lionhead is a UK based company and Fable is a great example of a British game. They're not going to give their work away for free to another country and make the UK pay for something made right here. I think this stuff about code troubles is bollocks.
Well, that's my little (little being debateable) review on this game and I hope I've changed some minds about this. I'd actually give it 6/10.
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Anyone know whether deleting the demo will clear your debt for the game?
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I discovered the Towers Fortune glitch, suffice to say I'm now 43 grand in the green. The games are still irredeemably shite, though.
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