Kinect "can't do a good lightsaber game"

By Wesley Yin-Poole Published 25 November, 2010

Move's will be "damn better", says Sony dev.

One of the chief architects of Sony's motion sensing platform PlayStation Move reckons the upcoming Star Wars game for rival motion sensing add-on Kinect won't be much cop.

Anton Mikhailov, a software engineer at Sony Computer Entertainment America's research and development department and the brains behind the algorithms that make the Eye camera interpret movement of the Move controller, reckons "there's no way Kinect can do a good lightsaber game".

And while LucasArts and Sony are yet to announce a Move-compatible Star Wars game, Mikhailov guaranteed, "It'll be damn better than Kinect's."

"I'm not in the product planning division so unfortunately I can't tell you much more about that," Mikhailov told Eurogamer when asked about a possible Star Wars Move game. "But technologically it's 100 per cent feasible.

"We can overlay objects over the controller in AR. You've seen that in Start the Party, and swords are a really popular one. The fidelity is certainly there to do all sorts of Star Wars kid-style action. You can very well do the lightsaber."

The main difference between Move and Kinect is an obvious one: Move uses a controller the Eye camera detects, while Kinect offers controller-free gaming.

Star Wars Kinect was unveiled during Microsoft's E3 2010 Project Natal extravaganza event with a short trailer.

It's set for a Christmas 2011 release, and, according to Kinect poster boy Kudo Tsunoda, is "super compelling".

However, there has been concern surrounding the project - we've seen nothing of Star Wars Kinect since its brief E3 2010 video demonstration.

The game is quietly in development at Ghostbusters: The Videogame creator Terminal Reality, which is using the Infernal Engine to build it.

The video shown during E3 2010, which you can see below, suggests Star Wars Kinect is an on-rails third-person action game in which the player wields an imaginary lightsaber and duels Darth Vader.

Mikhailov added: "I'm usually not very aggressive, but I will say it'll [Move's Star Wars game] be damn better than Kinect could ever do.

"There's no way Kinect can do a good lightsaber game. Just never. Unless they give you a stick. If they give you a stick then they can do OK, but then they're going to ruin their whole no controller motto.

"I've seen the demo but it's so scripted, and wasn't it like, faked?

"Technologically I find it hard how you can do a lightsaber, because there are so many ambiguities, and it's nearly impossible to track the angles of your wrists.

"I can sort of see them doing it, like hold your hands together and move like this [holds them out in front of his body], and then from the x, y, position and for the angle. If anyone's listening, you guys should try that. That would probably work all right."

Mikhailov should know: he revealed to Eurogamer that Sony stopped research on 3D camera technology before it settled upon Move.

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  • Psychotext #1 2 years ago

    ORLY?

    [link url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EeJCln5KYg
    ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EeJCln5KYg
    [/link]

    Knocked together by a PC coder in a matter of days. The game will just need to come with a stick. ;)

  • RodHull #2 2 years ago

    A faked game trailer!? The swines! It's a good job that the paragons of honesty at Sony would never do anything so dastardly!

  • RobotRocker #3 2 years ago

    Seems like Sony are waving their own lightsaber (penis) about

  • higganos #4 2 years ago

    Yawn. Move developer in claws-out-Kinect-swipe? Surely not?

  • Lebowski #5 2 years ago

    "Your father's PlayStation Move. Not as clumsy or random as a Kinect."

  • Fab4 #6 2 years ago

    Did you notice the input lag on that video? The force may indeed be with you, but it looks like it turns up 500ms later.

  • ostrasized #7 2 years ago

    That's OK. Move won't be able to do a good lightsaber game either.

    How can you possibly duel Darth Vader if both your lightsabres go through each other?

    Swordfighting where the swords can't touch? Yeah, great fun.

    Oh, unless you're going to show your sword clashing with Vader's sabre, but your own hand is down at your hip at the end of the swing? How do you plan to resynchronise, Sony?

    Lollerskates.

  • patch #8 2 years ago

    Who's to say Kinect won't have peripherals? They could even release a stick with buttons on! Actually, as the stick might be a bit cumbersome, they could just have a handle... maybe put some buttons on it? And a way of tracking it... perhaps a glowing ball? Someone at Microsoft should look into that.

  • chrisjm #9 2 years ago

    what he said "can't do a good lightsaber game"
    what he meant "we're worried about kinect compared to move"

  • drchocapic #10 2 years ago

    So basically he's saying that his crappy game will be better than their crappy game. Sweet.

  • Psychotext #11 2 years ago

    "Did you notice the input lag on that video?"

    ..."knocked together by a PC coder in a matter of days"

  • MaFlippinHeadHurts #12 2 years ago

    Nooooooooooooooo.........

  • Dolly #13 2 years ago

    I've got both, and I have to say that I agree with him. The augmented reality stuff used on things like "Start the Party" is really responsive.

  • WinstonChurchill #14 2 years ago

    Maybe if "journalists" stop publishing stories like this then the PR machines will shut up.

  • raloB #15 2 years ago

    Hard to take them comments seriously when theres a guy waving a virtual lightsaber using Kinect video at the foot of the page.

  • stodgypudding #16 2 years ago

    Having experienced it I'm inclined to agree. When your hands move across the front of your body it seems to struggle a bit making any precision gaming a bit frustrating, you only need to experience any of the fighting/boxing games on it to see for yourself.

  • technicianTed #17 2 years ago

    Lag is always worse on video's.

    I think move is indeed better suited to an action game than kinect, but i very much doubt the game will be any good anyway.
    Motion controlled action games can be hideous, i'm trying to forget that samurai wii game(the name escapes me).

  • TopKatt #18 2 years ago

    Tell you what, just give us a Move Star Wars game and we'll let you know!

  • WinstonChurchill #19 2 years ago

    Is the games industry the only entertainment industry that spouts this "our product is better than yours" bullshit? Movies don't do it. Music doesn't do it. Books don't do it. I wonder why it isn't taken seriously.

  • drhickman1983 #20 2 years ago

    For some reason reading the title and comment of the article my initial thought was "oh no she DIDN'T!" Guess I've been corrupted by American chat shows.

    Whilst part of me wants to stay clear of this whole discussion to the number of fanboys from boths sides I imagine will descend. But regarding the Pyschotext posted, some people are already displeased with the ammount of room Kinect needs, having a 3 foot broom handle to swing around will lead to many a smashed lightbulb and vase.

    I hope both the games turn out well.

  • altitude2k #21 2 years ago

    Can someone get this guy a plaster? I think he's scraped his knee, or something.

  • Blacked_Out #22 2 years ago

    As far as i'm aware, Star Wars isn't just about lightsabers.

    Theres these things called force powers, which Kinect would be perfect for.

  • StolenGlory #23 2 years ago

    What makes these clowns think we want a fucking lightsaber game?

    I think I stopped wishing for such a shallow concept when I was 12.



  • Utopolitan #24 2 years ago

    Too bad nobody actually cares about lightsaber games.

  • Beano #25 2 years ago

    "Knocked together by a PC coder in a matter of days. The game will just need to come with a stick. ;) "

    True but Kinect is marketed as a non-controller device ("You are the controller" etc) so basing a Kinect game on the requirement of a stick, will shatter the whole concept. I doubt MS will even allow it.
    Edited by Beano at 25/11/10 @ 11:29

  • dadrester #26 2 years ago

    That's OK. Move won't be able to do a good lightsaber game either.
    How can you possibly duel Darth Vader if both your lightsabres go through each other?

    Swordfighting where the swords can't touch? Yeah, great fun.

    Oh, unless you're going to show your sword clashing with Vader's sabre, but your own hand is down at your hip at the end of the swing? How do you plan to resynchronise, Sony?

    while this is an issue to some extent it can be designed away in various ways. Just look to the wii motion plus samurai sword level in... err... is it wii sports resort? if you have a system of attacks and parries. also have a look sports champions. It's doable and can be very fun if it's done right.

  • Final_Frontier #27 2 years ago

    Dear Eurogamer,

    The EyeToy was originally made for PS2. For the PS3, Sony released a new camera called the PlayStation Eye. The EyeToy is, as far as I know, *not* compatible with move. The PS Eye on the other hand, is.

    That is all.

  • GreyBeard #28 2 years ago

    "The game will just need to come with a stick. ;)"

    Which kind of proves the point that if your hands are the primary focus, you may as well have a controller in your hand to play! Which as Mikhailov points out, shows the limitations of Kinect's "hands free" approach.

    Then of course you have to think about how the player moves about in the world, which again calls for a secondary, nunchuck-style controller for best efficiency if you want to be more than a "Fruit Ninja" style flail-a-thon.

    LOL at the rate-downs. Seriously, Kinect system-warriors?!? FFS
    Edited by GreyBeard at 25/11/10 @ 12:34

  • carlitoswagon #29 2 years ago

    All light saber games of recent have been utter shite, so unless someone is going to man-up and create a decent one who gives a crap.

  • Psychotext #30 2 years ago

    I mean literally a stick, a fake lightsaber handle would do (hell you could even argue it'd be more immersion that way). We're not talking about a controller here... though I guess they could if they wanted too.

  • Xardan #31 2 years ago

    Whats with all the arrogant sony comments lately? I thought they had good PR. They sound like smarmy prats to me.

  • miiiguel #32 2 years ago

    lightsaber ?!! Realy? That pop culture icon from the 80s ?

  • nooneyouknow #33 2 years ago

    @Sir_AnthonyDaniels
    he's absolutely right. you cant do it justice, the camera can not pick up the subtle movements of your wrist, you can forget about twirling an imaginary lightsaber for a start

    Those were my thoughts exactly!

    In reality, I would be boasting that any game is going to be better than Kinect Star Wars. By the looks of it, you'll have automatic shot deflection and just need to perform the occasional swipe or slash to kill a storm troop. And it's ok, you don't have to move at all - they all run directly towards you! Also imagining any lightsabre duels to be instructional (like a previous game but I can't remember which) - yellow arrows appearing on screen for you to mimic.
    Will be rubbish.

  • Buztafen #34 2 years ago

    So after millions of dollars worth of development and advertising, it all boils down to who can do the best fucking lightsaber impression in games. Shower of cunts.

  • Rayn #35 2 years ago

    I'm just bored with devs and marketing guy (esp. the latter) telling us what their respective consoles CAN do, and what the competition can't. Sony promised me that true HD wouldn't start until they said so, and I'm still waiting. Little did I know they were talking about PS4 when they said that.

    Sony now claim that Move can be host to a great light saber game? Well, ok then! But where is it? Stop promising great stuff unless you can deliver. I don't care wether it's MS or Sony or Nintendo or whatever; Less talk, more (actual) quality products plz!

  • Rack #36 2 years ago

    Hint for the future, claim Kinect can't reliably do something before it's been done. Claim the Kinect can't do a lightsaber after it's been shown to do a lightsaber and you look like an idiot.

    Edit: I'm not so stupid as to believe a trailer. From the first post of this thread though...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EeJCln5KYg

    Edited by Rack at 25/11/10 @ 14:00

  • alimokrane #37 2 years ago

    First it was 360 vs PS3 now it's Move vs Kinect ..... this will never end....

  • drxym #38 2 years ago

    Kinect could do a lightsaber, but whether it was decent or not is another matter.

    For example someone holding a special stick might be somewhat trackable but the lag would make it horribly unresponsive and the injuries (and lawsuits) would be a huge risk.

    The best option would be to implement a Move style controller, but then it's not really Kinect anymore. So I think the comment is fair.

    Also substitute lightsaber for sword, bat, club, gun etc. The lag is the killer but also the inability to accurately judge how the thing is being held and swung.
    Edited by drxym at 25/11/10 @ 11:56

  • slippysloppy #39 2 years ago

    I agree that Move would be much better and I'm not convinced that the Kinect version would work, but only because of lag.

    "There's no way Kinect can do a good lightsaber game. Just never. Unless they give you a stick. If they give you a stick then they can do OK, but then they're going to ruin their whole no controller motto."

    This statement however is just bull. Stick, no stick, who cares. In fact if I could use nothing, to a banana, to toy lightsabre I'd be thrilled. Lag will be the real issue.

  • chessboxer #40 2 years ago

    @raloB & Rack

    EG showed the trailer for the game, not the person "controlling" it. This is what was actually happening at E3 2010 when MS were demonstrating this new Kinect Star Wars game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGUREo0Hh64

  • TAKEL12 #41 2 years ago

    Go away with your PR rhetoric and let the gamers decide

  • McFly55 #42 2 years ago

    Well its easy to see how a Move lightsaber game would be better than kinect, 1:1 tracking, use of the 2nd controller for movement, unless its on rails then a free hand for force powers.

    Theyll still both be shit, though.

  • linksdad #43 2 years ago

    I think Kinect will fail to do anything that is time critical of less than 1/2 a second. Thats most games.
    This is speaking from the experience of my regretted purchase. Move will probably work better in time sensative situations but I am not buying one.

  • Quint2020 #44 2 years ago

    lol?

  • CableNut #45 2 years ago

    Is this the Ps move bloke trying out kinect

    [link url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYB4aNjrlYg&NR=1
    ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYB4aNjrl...[/link]

    :D
    Edited by CableNut at 25/11/10 @ 12:16

  • Br0ken_Engli5h #46 2 years ago

    "Uninteresting waggle-based lightsaber tech starts when we say it does"

  • Grievous1976 #47 2 years ago

    The main difference between Move & Kinect is that you don't require extra peripherals at an extra expense to the player, also that and an endless supply of batteries! Berk.

  • jag10 #48 2 years ago

    what fool would want to pretend to hold something?

  • DoctorFraud #49 2 years ago

    "Kinect is marketed as a non-controller device ("You are the controller" etc) so basing a Kinect game on the requirement of a stick, will shatter the whole concept. I doubt MS will even allow it."

    What fresh horseshit is this?

    "Shatter the concept"... what a pretentious moron!

  • DoctorFraud #50 2 years ago

    "I think Kinect will fail to do anything that is time critical of less than 1/2 a second. Thats most games."

    Kinect Sports, Dance Central, YourShape. That's just 3 games which conclusively prove you wrong.

    "This is speaking from the experience of my regretted purchase."

    No, I dont think so.

  • Xardan #51 2 years ago

    The fact that this crap article gets so many comments is unbelievable.

  • jag10 #52 2 years ago

    i think MR T needs to make an appearance.

  • Smoped #53 2 years ago

    Guys, guys! There's no need to argue! You both lose. Both your lightsaber games will be crappy and unrealistic. And sell millions.

  • darkmorgado #54 2 years ago

    "Kinect is marketed as a non-controller device ("You are the controller" etc) so basing a Kinect game on the requirement of a stick, will shatter the whole concept. I doubt MS will even allow it."

    You mean the same microsoft that have announced there are plenty of hybrid controlled games in development?

  • b00n #55 2 years ago

    A faked game trailer!? The swines! It's a good job that the paragons of honesty at Sony would never do anything so dastardly!

    Made me lol hard :)
    Edited by b00n at 25/11/10 @ 12:35

  • Beano #56 2 years ago

    "The main difference between Move & Kinect is that you don't require extra peripherals at an extra expense to the player, also that and an endless supply of batteries! Berk."

    Well informed post.. oh wait... Move controllers have built-in rechargeable batteries. Dammit!

  • dadrester #57 2 years ago

    Well informed post.. oh wait... Move controllers have built-in rechargeable batteries. Dammit!

    i think he was getting at the fact that the kinect takes... is it 5 or 6 batteries?

    [edit]... hmmm. i must have imagined that... i just checked the office one and it's got no batteries... what did i see someone putting loads of batteries into...??

    [edit2] this is worrying... i think i actually dreamt it... i really can't remember... what the hell takes 6 AA batteries (except for the gamegear)?!
    Edited by dadrester at 25/11/10 @ 13:01

  • geeza2020 #58 2 years ago

    Please guys, enough of the pathetic arguments about Kinect vs Move. We're (the gaming industry/community) better than this.

    Won't somebody think of the children??

    They're all playing the Wii?

    Oh, OK then.

  • lockload #59 2 years ago

    Sounds like sony are a tad rattled by kinects success

  • Toothball #60 2 years ago

    I'm too busy learning how to be a dancer to worry about working on my light saber technique.

  • Noble6 #61 2 years ago

    Bag o Balls

  • Noble6 #62 2 years ago

    If I worked at MS marketing, my next pitch would be "You can also be the controller holding a controller".
    Love my kinect.

  • FireMonkey #63 2 years ago

    Seeing as MS have said Kinect with controllers games are coming:( http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-1... ) then I see no real reason why there can't be a good lightsaber game on Kinect.

    Kinect itself 'may' be slower to detect things than Move but that is because what we usually see is it detecting a full body rather than just one or two solid objects. If Kinect were used just to track a small controller held in the users hands (say a stick with a glowing ball on the end?) then I'm sure it could be quick enough for a decent game.

    Also, if MS do manage to optimise the code more and further reduce lag (after all it is code and it can be patched), then the possibility of having full body detection along with lightsaber detection 'could' make the game much better than what could be done with just Move (you could potentially have a lightsaber fight with someone, but also be able to kick and dodge as well).

    EDIT: Damn it! I sound like such a Kinect / MS fanboy. TBH I don't really care for either Kinect or Move.
    Edited by FireMonkey at 25/11/10 @ 13:14

  • DDevil #64 2 years ago

    Yeah? Well MY DAD IS BIGGER THAN YOUR DAD AND WOULD HAVE YOUR DAD IN A FIGHT!

  • Beano #65 2 years ago

    "If I worked at MS marketing, my next pitch would be "You can also be the controller holding a controller". "

    What if your mate is the controller... can you hold him like a controller?

    /gets ugly pictures inside head. hurts

  • FireMonkey #66 2 years ago

    @dadrester - "what the hell takes 6 AA batteries"

    I can think of something that looks a little like a Move controller that takes 6 AAs. 8)

  • Sunyavadin #67 2 years ago

    Who's to say Kinect won't have peripherals?
    [link url=http://gamercrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/gameboat.jpg
    ]http://gamercrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.c...[/link]

  • themorganator #68 2 years ago

    "There's no way Kinect can do a good lightsaber game. Just never. Unless they give you a stick."

    Brilliant.

    So what if it needs a stick, that's fine with me and I couldn't care less if the marketing people can't use the 'controller free' tag line. The core difference is that Kinect can use a peripheral AND body capture whereas the Sony ice-cream cone can ONLY do the stick element. Surely, therefore, Kinect holds more advantages for the future.

  • electrolite #69 2 years ago

    "First it was 360 vs PS3 now it's Move vs Kinect ..... this will never end...."


    Yep, and during them arguments it was 3 years+ of 'waggle LOL' yet now it's 'our waggle is better'.

    Sigh.

  • RobTheBuilder #70 2 years ago

    So Sony are saying effectively that Star Wars fans would NOT like to have a lightsabre to whirl around whilst playing the Kinect game? Are they mad?

    Star Wars Kinect + Free Lightsabre accessory = Ubergeek sell.

  • jefranklin18 #71 2 years ago

    I'm sorry but since the EG article about if trailers told the truth, I can't look at any Star Wars game with a straight face now...

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #72 2 years ago

    You mean the same microsoft that have announced there are plenty of hybrid controlled games in development?

    I think he means the Microsoft who have approved a Kinect game from EA which comes with an extra, seperate peripheral.
    Edited by MENTAL1ST at 25/11/10 @ 13:31

  • edhe #73 2 years ago

    I really have to laugh at people thinking the lightsabre is irrelevant. It's like they forgot that most gamers actually grew up with all the star wars films and dreamed of being a jedi or something.

  • sunnyviji #74 2 years ago

    M$ have already stated they gonna make hybrid games

    you r the controller with a controller

  • Nuronv #75 2 years ago

    Please stop talking about it and just make the damn light saber game.
    Start the party and Sport Champions: Gladiator shows me it will work. Put your money where your mouth is

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #76 2 years ago

    I shall be the Fat Controller.

    do-do-do do do-do doooooooooooooo...

    do do de-do

    do do doot-de do..

  • bratmandu #77 2 years ago

    This would matter if there'd been a good star wars game in the last 10 years.

  • makeamazing #78 2 years ago

    Doesnt anyone find it ironic that MS are selling a device that you are the controller, but in order to play the more core games you will probably need a controller. So what was the £130 for again :D

  • raloB #79 2 years ago

    @chessboxer

    The video I'm refering is to is a little further down the page, under RELATED VIDEOS looks like some guy in his bedroom with a few days to spare begs to differ.

  • M_of_the_sys #80 2 years ago

    ^^

    You were the controller.

    Edit:

    @makeamazing
    Edited by M_of_the_sys at 25/11/10 @ 13:51

  • chessboxer #81 2 years ago

    @RobTheBuilder

    "Star Wars Kinect + Free Lightsabre accessory"

    Never going to happen. What MS will do is sell a new controller which can be used with Kinect. The current 360 controller (as well as the new one available in the US now) would be useless with Kinect as it doesn't have any motion detection hardware, which would be needed if they want some kind of decent 1:1 tracking.

  • chessboxer #82 2 years ago

    @themorganator

    "The core difference is that Kinect can use a peripheral AND body capture whereas the Sony ice-cream cone can ONLY do the stick element."

    Not true. The PS Eye can do what ever the Eyetoy can do and the Eyetoy was tracking body movement (no controller) before the 360 even launched. There is also game coming out on Dec 7th (Kung-Fu Live) in the US that uses full body tracking on the PS3 with just the PS Eye (no Move or DualShock 3 controller needed).

    I have no idea if it's any good, but videos on YouTube and a preview from Joystiq suggest that people with a £24 camera are getting pretty much the same experience as MS's £130 Kinect offers.

  • jefranklin18 #83 2 years ago

    @chessboxer: There is also game coming out on Dec 7th (Kung-Fu Live) in the US that uses full body tracking on the PS3 with just the PS Eye (no Move or DualShock 3 controller needed).


    Kung Fu live also comes out in Europe the day after.

  • chessboxer #84 2 years ago

    @raloB

    Cheers, I didn't see that. Being a fan of Star Wars fan films and the LCC, that's quite interesting to see. I wonder if anyone would consider using this in LCC#9 rather than the tried and tested available software options.

    To give you an idea of what they would have to achieve (and it's certainly possible on PC with additional software, not sure about 360), check out Ryan vs Dorkman 2 and Ryan vs Brandon 2.

    *edit*

    @ jefranklin18

    Cheers, didn't know it had an EU date.
    Edited by chessboxer at 25/11/10 @ 14:07

  • Beano #85 2 years ago

    "You mean the same microsoft that have announced there are plenty of hybrid controlled games in development? "

    You are right - I stand corrected :)

    But it still does undermine the whole "you are the controller" motto if games suddenly requires a stick (or other accessory) to work.

    Btw, the concept smells a lot like Eyetoy Hero :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yKYdJpSRgc
    Edited by Beano at 25/11/10 @ 14:25

  • StolenGlory #86 2 years ago

    Yeah great Sony, you can do a better, gimmicky motion controlled lightsaber game than MS.

    Go pat yourself on your e-peen.

  • Feanor #87 2 years ago

    A Kinect lightsaber game will do well in England and Australasia because everyone has a cricket stump they can use with it.

  • hesido #88 2 years ago

    A real lightsaber would not cast shadows :) But I forgive the stick solution, because even the latest starwars do not remove the light saber shadows!

  • nolim #89 2 years ago

    Remember those plastic lightsabres we all had as kids, the ones that were basically a coloured torch inside a collapsing white plastic tube. I'm quite sure Lucas arts would love to sell us them again!

  • smelly #90 2 years ago

    Kinect can do games! The same games sony did 15 years ago with the eyetoy.

  • smelly #91 2 years ago

    I do find it funny how many xbox fanboys are sticking up for kinect when many of them were slagging off the wii and it's lacklustre games. At least the wii actually has some games which arent the casual shit which require you to jump around the living room making a tit out of yourself.

  • kmanza #92 2 years ago

    @Psychotext
    Doesn't take much to impress you
    Beat this. (just some ancient footage from youtube)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzYFiin06MY
    Edited by kmanza at 26/11/10 @ 23:03

  • darkmorgado #93 2 years ago

    I do find it funny how many xbox fanboys are sticking up for kinect when many of them were slagging off the wii and it's lacklustre games. At least the wii actually has some games which arent the casual shit which require you to jump around the living room making a tit out of yourself.

    So you are writing off a platform that has been out for three weeks by comparing it to the number of core games on a platform that has been out for 4 years?

  • smelly #94 2 years ago

    @darkmorgado : Funny - i remember xbox owners slagging off the wii for its "casual games" before it had even been released.

    But if you can show me a SINGLE "hardcore" kinect game which is currently in development.. Which doesnt rip off a wii or eyetoy game - i'll let you carry on thinking it's the bestest thing eva...

  • Dizzy #95 2 years ago

    Lol?

    Move can track your lightsabre, but nothing else. Then again, maybe you can attach 10 Move controllers to your body?

  • darkmorgado #96 2 years ago

    But if you can show me a SINGLE "hardcore" kinect game which is currently in development.. Which doesnt rip off a wii or eyetoy game - i'll let you carry on thinking it's the bestest thing eva...


    Steel Batallion?

    And can you do the same for Move for me?

    For the record, I own all the consoles, this gen and last, and I've never slagged off the wii.

  • theonlyix #97 2 years ago

    Actually, this guy is seriously wrong. Kinect would be a far more advanced version of this, using hybrid kinect + controller tech which MS are just waiting to launch. That "you are the controller" is for the casuals - kinect can do so much more for gamers, and MS knows this and WILL use it. Move is crap unfortunately, there just isnt much more to do there than with the wi+ thingy.

    Sorry sony, EPIC fail on this one and its a really sad day when you just try and talk trash about competitions products because you obviously are ashamed of your own ripoff.

    @smelly Steel battalion ? and ALOT more. just wait and see what MS has up their sleeves - hybrid

  • Rajin #98 2 years ago

    Right, anyone who bought the Ki-nect at launch made a mistake. Like someone else mentioned, IF they patch it up and reduce the lag and great games come along eventually.... it might actually become something special?

  • gandhimaster #99 2 years ago

    Can i ask why everybody says Kinect has lag? I find the only lag is on a jumping motion, which im guessing is because Kinect needs to make sure you meant to jump rather than just moved a little bit upwards.....?

    When the avatar is on screen and you move your hands etc it moves exactly in time with my movements.

    Is it bias or am i just lucky?!

    Anyhow, I haven't experienced any lag in Adventures/Sports/Your Shape......

    Star Wars WOULD "need" a stick tho for sure.

  • Loghorn #100 2 years ago

    @makeamazing: Doesnt anyone find it ironic that MS are selling a device that you are the controller, but in order to play the more core games you will probably need a controller. So what was the £130 for again :D

    Exactly. That defeats the entire purpose of Kinect right there. And seriously, that $500 million that was being advertised on that piece of trash could've gone towards making 7 or 8 more core IP's for the system, but MS chose to be morons about it & chose to advertise the hell out of Kinect in which many people like myself won't give a flip about...

  • gabrielbird #101 2 years ago

    President Dale: Why can't we work out our differences? Why can't we work things out? Little people, why can't we all just get along?

    'Mars Attacks'

  • gabrielbird #102 2 years ago

    On subject. I think the the Move controller and Kinect unit are amazing pieces of kit. I prefer the Kinect over my Move wand but thats just my opinion.

    People who spout crap about either just don't see the bigger picture of the gaming industry.

  • Syrette #103 2 years ago

    Not that's he's biased, or anything.

  • YoungPayters #104 2 years ago

    all i need now is to create a stick with a move on each end and im darth maul!! boom!!

  • makeamazing #105 2 years ago

    Steel Batallion?

    And can you do the same for Move for me?

    @darkmorgado, to be honest what you have quoted there is a game that WAS hardcore, with a 40 button or something controller. There is no guarantee that the Kinect version will be hardcore or not dumbed down. Just trying to be honest, until you see it, there is no way you can tell otherwise. I mean Dance Central is great, but that is a bit smoke and mirrors to some extent, and i am still waiting for a game that really shows off the best of Kinect.

    As for move, i think KZ3 and Socom are sufficiently hardcore arnt they?

  • ShiroBen #106 2 years ago

    Oh, for goodness sake. Pull yourself up out of the graceless pit you inhabit, PR People, and display a little dignity. Don't TELL me that you're better, SHOW me that you're better. Don't just say "Oh, ours will be GREAT once we have it" or "We could do much better than that if we WANTED to", just SHUT UP until you actually HAVE something. And once you have it, don't make a huge fuss over it, don't spend months virally campaigning and hyping it up until everyone is sick to the teeth of it, just put it out there and let it speak for itself. If you'd put the money you're sinking into useless, useless marketing into actually developing a decent product, maybe we'd all be just that tiny bit happier.

  • Dogs-in-Hats #107 2 years ago

    However 'move' is about five years too late

  • makeamazing #108 2 years ago

    Makes me feel even older, cause i had one as a kid :D

    They were great... those were the days.

  • Lukus #109 2 years ago

    Super compelling? Damn better? WTF is this bullshit language.

  • Gizmo_Logix #110 2 years ago

    @Psychotex,

    Did you even watch the video you posted? The point is that Kinect, as a GAME, is not possible. Or it would be unplayable. Meaning it would be as fun a walking through molasses. Sure you could do it. But it's not fun.

    The lag is terrible and in that video he's holding an object which is going against what the purpose of the Kinect was built for: You are the controller, remember? That video is nothing more than a bad version of the PS Move.



    "ORLY?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EeJCln5KYg
    Knocked together by a PC coder in a matter of days. The game will just need to come with a stick. ;)"

  • JamieR #111 2 years ago

    I can imagine a lightsaber game working better on move. I can also imaginee move been better for shooters that aren't rail shooters like the move demo of Killzone 3 looks really cool I have not seen anything from kinect that has impressed me personally but I'm sure they are things that are better on the kinect that cant be done with the eye toy it is just a question of waiting on software still early days.

  • smelly #112 2 years ago

    >just wait and see what MS has up their sleeves

    Nothing? When was the last time MS made a first party game?

  • Collymilad #113 2 years ago

    Wow smelly can you see anything with your head up Sony's arse?

  • kmanza #114 2 years ago

    Why do people ignorant of the fact that the PSEyE can function on it's own. It's predecessor is the Eyetoy, you know the original motion gaming trailblazer.

    Edited by kmanza at 27/11/10 @ 19:50

  • dfooster #115 2 years ago

    Being an xbox gamer I totally agree. Microsoft have mucked up with kinect. From day one I knew movement of on screen characters would be it's downfall and this star wars game is proof in case.

    With the input lag added to it's problems I just can't see the point. All we gamers wanted was a 1:1 lightsaber in our right hand and a controller for movement in our left hand. Kinect just can't provide this and so all the games will suck for it.

    Move is better

  • davisorle #116 2 years ago

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  • darkmorgado #117 2 years ago

    Can i ask why everybody says Kinect has lag?

    Because they are trolls who haven't used it themselves.

  • dirtyvu #118 2 years ago

    he's just bitter no one wants to make his dildo do anything cool. there's like a gazillion tech demos by hackers all over the world cooking cool things on kinect. has anyone besides sony done anything with the move???

  • Quak #119 2 years ago

    > I've seen the demo but it's so scripted, and wasn't it like, faked?

    I LOL'd at that. If anyone knows anything about fake demos it's Sony.
    Edited by Quak at 26/11/10 @ 10:16

  • Sabreman64 #120 2 years ago

    A Kinect lightsaber game will probably be crap. But a Move lightsaber game will probably also be crap. But which will be crapper? There's only one way to find out. FIIIIIIGHT!!
    Edited by Sabreman64 at 26/11/10 @ 10:35

  • nova82 #121 2 years ago

    i think he just means that as a concept Star Wars suits better with Move than Kinect since there is lightsaber.Pay close attention people he doesn't ditching Kinect

  • Lucodeath #122 2 years ago

    A thirty something bloke swinging a stick in front of the tv, that will impress the ladies!!

  • WalterPoe #123 2 years ago

    Reality check kinect not perfect. Move also not perfect.
    I hate motion sensitive games i expect them all to be crap as standard.
    Much like games based on films this is a double score it cannot be good whoever makes it.

    As far as Move vs Kinect.

    Move has major issues with being too sensitive for many games hands shake, kids don't do being very careful. But removing this vis a vis sports champions and you may as well be playing on a wii. I also find you MOVE away from the cam then move back in front and thats it back to the recync or your character starts juddering around the place . Lost more sales in store demoing move than we ever gained.

    Kinect has moments of lag mostly with jumping some games really just cant use the tech ie motionsports, fighters unleashed (just trys to hard.)

    I personally like kinect for the whole desktop thing granted they have ruined the look for the sake of the tech but that is very boys with toys but that is it.

    At the end of the day PS3 vs 360 they may as well be the same console shy of the bluray and 360's superior online so i go with whats important more games so for the moment 360. Same goes for motion Crapola announced game Project draco, New Forza, Steel battalion PS3 -nothing argument ends