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  • ISmoke 14 Nov 2011 15:30:17 546 posts
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    Come January i'm looking to buy a decent gaming laptop from Alienware (Before i start hearing other suggestions, i'm content with Alienware, i know i probably am paying more for the name but i don't care. I like their quality and i've heard their customer service is second to none) so it's easier to bring around to LAN parties (though all we really play is L4D/CS and UT) and just so i can access my Steam games from pretty much where ever i want. I'm not getting it to replace my gaming desktop, i just want something that i can fit into a bag and carry around with me.

    Long story short, my friend bought the M14x earlier this year, i think it released in July, i would be buying the same one but i've noticed they bring out new revisions every so often. Do you know if they bring one out yearly and if it would be worth me waiting until they release a new one or do they do it every so many years?

    I don't want to drop almost 1400 on a laptop for it to be obsolete pretty soon after it's release. Anyone had any experience with this that could help? I've searched google but there doesn't seem to be any signs pointing towards a R2 anytime soon.
  • dsmx 14 Nov 2011 16:34:12 7,603 posts
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    If intel bring out ivybridge processors in the spring next year alienware will probably do a revision around then.

    But with bulldozer being very disappointing for the amount of time it was in development intel may not feel they need to launch them in the spring unless ivybridge is a big step forward in power efficiency.

    "If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan

  • ISmoke 14 Nov 2011 16:45:14 546 posts
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    Ah ok, so it is kind of a buy and hope then. I guess I could sell it on ebay for close to the price of what i got it and just upgrade to the newer one though thats not what I'd want to do
  • dsmx 14 Nov 2011 17:41:29 7,603 posts
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    Quick peek at ebay and one of these pops up http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Alienware-M14X-Laptop-i7-2630QM-2-90GHZ-4GB-750G-/270849240807?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item3f0fdf6ee7

    "If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan

  • Dirtbox 14 Nov 2011 17:48:13 78,165 posts
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    Everyone wangs on about ivybridge, but tbh there's still nothing that rattles the current set of chips. Pointless waiting really.

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  • dsmx 14 Nov 2011 17:53:36 7,603 posts
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    Well there is the other fact that in the new year we will still be feeling the effects of the hard drive shortage so unless your going for one with an SSD it's going to be far more expensive than it should be.

    "If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan

  • mal 14 Nov 2011 17:58:27 22,532 posts
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    Ivy Bridge is just a process shrink isn't it? That means it'll probably work out of the bag, but won't be revolutionary by any stretch. The next tick is the new architecture with new risks of bugs but, if they designed it right, better everything else.

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  • dsmx 14 Nov 2011 18:11:59 7,603 posts
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    It adds a few other things such as native USB 3.0 support but it's more the the fact that it will push down the price of sandybridge processors as well which would give me a reason to wait.

    "If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan

  • dsmx 14 Nov 2011 18:15:07 7,603 posts
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    All that said and done I noticed this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270848421594 as well and I'm thinking I might put a bid in for it, anything you can see that's of concern on it?

    "If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan

  • Fake_Blood 14 Nov 2011 18:17:39 4,209 posts
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    Meh, I'm still running a core 2 quad at 3.2 ghz, it's 3 years old and plays battlefield3 at 60fps.
  • Dirtbox 14 Nov 2011 18:19:12 78,165 posts
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    dsmx wrote:
    It adds a few other things such as native USB 3.0 support but it's more the the fact that it will push down the price of sandybridge processors as well which would give me a reason to wait.
    A saving you won't see on shite Alienware.

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  • dsmx 14 Nov 2011 18:28:52 7,603 posts
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    I'm running a core2quad Q8400 however my problem is that I have a bit of a quandary on what to next with it.

    I'm running on a review copy of win 7 and it only has the 32 bit version of windows on it so I need to buy a full version to go to 64bit. However I also need a new hard drive as my current one is too slow and full and I'm going to need a new processor and motherboard down the road. If I buy an OEM version of win 7 it will be linked to my current processor and motherboard so if I upgrade I'll have to buy another OEM copy.

    If I stick with my current build and upgrade it I'm going to end up spending around 400-500 on win7, motherboard, processor, hard drive and possibly monitor.

    "If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan

  • Fake_Blood 14 Nov 2011 18:39:19 4,209 posts
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    Well why are you upgrading, games running too slow?
  • Dirtbox 14 Nov 2011 18:44:03 78,165 posts
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    Might as well pirate 7 ultimate like the rest of the world.

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  • ISmoke 14 Nov 2011 18:45:52 546 posts
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    That links looks like good value but unless i'm blind i couldn't spot the gpu. i like the m17 it looks good as a desktop replacement but i just want mine for portability. Never would i give up my desktop for a laptop
  • dsmx 14 Nov 2011 18:49:12 7,603 posts
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    If I stick with my current build even on 64bit windows I'll only gain 1 gig of ram (there's 4x1GB sticks in it) so if I need more RAM I'll have to fork out for new RAM.

    I'm out of space on my current hard drive so I need a new one anyway probably at least a 1 TB

    I will need a proper copy of win 7 not an OEM version since I'm going to need to install another version in the future at some point

    It's also time to get a better monitor my 17 inch 1600x900 is showing it's age.

    So even if I don't do any processor upgrades sticking with my current system isn't going to be cheap.

    edit: the card on the second link is a GTX 460M w/ Optimus Technology

    Edited by dsmx at 18:50:28 14-11-2011

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  • Dirtbox 14 Nov 2011 18:50:51 78,165 posts
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    4gb of ddr3 is about 15 at the moment, also there's nothing "only" about gaining 1gb of memory. A 32bit OS is pointless.

    http://www.ebuyer.com/291000-crucial-4gb-ddr3-1333mhz-rendition-memory-module-cl9-1-5v-rm51264ba1339-rm51264ba1339

    Edited by Dirtbox at 18:53:08 14-11-2011

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  • dsmx 14 Nov 2011 18:53:16 7,603 posts
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    Wish I had DDR3, but it's not supported on my old motherboard, DDR2 is my only choice and that is around 25 quid for 4 GB last time I looked. If I went onto a 64 bit OS on my current build I would obviously put more RAM in it Dirt.

    Edited by dsmx at 18:54:24 14-11-2011

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  • Dirtbox 14 Nov 2011 18:54:28 78,165 posts
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    Time to think about putting your hand in your pocket, you won't regret it.

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  • Fake_Blood 14 Nov 2011 18:55:11 4,209 posts
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    4gb is plenty at the moment.
    You're out of luck when it comes to HDDs, they have just doubled in price.
  • LockeTribal 14 Nov 2011 18:58:16 4,514 posts
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    Re: OEM version of Windows 7 - you can always just ring up Microsoft and ask them to reactivate the install on the new hardware (or so I have been lead to believe at any rate).
  • dsmx 14 Nov 2011 19:01:12 7,603 posts
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    Full version is 111 on ebuyer I'll just spring for that if I go down that route but still I am tempted by the m17 on ebay.

    "If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan

  • vijay_UK 15 Nov 2011 17:48:14 2,149 posts
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    I'm going to need a new laptop to replace my old Dell Inspirion, was thinking of getting the Alienware M14 but I've seen Dell have a trade-in scheme so might plump for their XPS-17. It's going to be a backup to my desktop so don't want to fork out too much.

    Found a useful link to compare laptop graphics cards and how they they run on your games.

    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html

    Edited by vijay_UK at 17:59:10 15-11-2011
  • Dirtbox 15 Nov 2011 17:59:59 78,165 posts
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    You're better off getting a decent desktop from easy-pc, dell are underpowered, cheaply made, non-upgradeable, bloatware stuffed rubbish while alienware are simply massively overpriced. Laptops are marginal at best for gaming.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 18:02:26 15-11-2011

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  • dsmx 15 Nov 2011 18:09:35 7,603 posts
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    I don't think I can agree with that dirt, while benchmarks for mobile graphic cards are not that common they are out there and the high end mobile graphics cards 580m and the 6990M are about level with the desktop versions of the 5850/GTX470.

    "If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan

  • Dirtbox 15 Nov 2011 18:15:35 78,165 posts
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    Then I'll give you a few reasons why I say laptop gaming is marginal.

    Non-upgradeable.
    Short lifespan due to inadequate ventilation, dust and small, delicate parts.
    Small screen.
    Non-user serviceable.
    Bloatware by the bucket.
    Two or more times as expensive as a comparable desktop.
    Performance is always less than the same spec desktop.
    You need to use it on a desk anyway if you need to use a mouse.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 18:25:58 15-11-2011

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  • vijay_UK 15 Nov 2011 19:21:09 2,149 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    You're better off getting a decent desktop from easy-pc, dell are underpowered, cheaply made, non-upgradeable, bloatware stuffed rubbish while alienware are simply massively overpriced. Laptops are marginal at best for gaming.
    Points well made DB/dsmx, although I should point out that a new lappy is supplemental to my main desktop PC. A new laptop is really for the missus (for movies/TV, family, photos, emailing), but also needs to be powerful enough for me to play FM2012 and Civ IV , maybe even Batman AA and Shogun 2 (my main PC dosn't have a huge hard drive so I want to chuck some stuff over to the new laptop).

    I know it is an Alienware thread, but if anyone would like to throw a few non-Dell ideas in the air, I'll consider it. Ta.
  • Dirtbox 15 Nov 2011 19:23:27 78,165 posts
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    Like I said - easy-pc for desktops.

    pcspecialist for laptops, but I wouldn't go down that route personally.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 19:38:34 15-11-2011

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