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  • disusedgenius 11 Mar 2013 18:21:01 5,195 posts
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    Legal costs for both trials? I know MPs earn a lot but that's going to be quite the crippler!
  • DaM 11 Mar 2013 18:26:22 12,888 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    I can't help thinking that neither would have got sentences like that if they were average joes though... which is odd, because it usually doesn't work that way around.
    Setting an example to deter "ordinary" people from doing the same. I'm sure it must be quite common. People will assume that it's no great shakes, as it's for a minor offence.
  • spamdangled 11 Mar 2013 21:15:28 27,269 posts
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    disusedgenius wrote:
    Legal costs for both trials? I know MPs earn a lot but that's going to be quite the crippler!
    IIRC the number I heard cited earlier was around 300,000 for Huhne.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 21:15:38 11-03-2013

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  • President_Weasel 11 Mar 2013 21:29:25 8,940 posts
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    Fuck 'em.
    Persistently lying about it and denying it right up until the trial at which point you change your plea? Go to jail and pay the court costs.

    Deliberately lie to the police when they're investigating something then change your story, not because you've rethought after a month or two, not because you've had a year or two of it weighing on your conscience, but a decade later because you were pissed off because your husband left you and looking for revenge? Oh, very noble. And then making the legal system go to the trouble and expense of a trial (actually a trial-and-a-half, as it turned out) for something you've already admitted, because you think you can skate on some archaic "my husband is a man and I am just a weak and foolish lady and my will is not strong" defence? Go to jail, go directly to jail, and fuck right off.


    It's all right though, it's not like the legal system is already overloaded. Plenty of resources available for you two idiots to waste on your doomed defences. Hey, perhaps you should appeal!

    Edited by President_Weasel at 21:32:12 11-03-2013
  • Chopsen 11 Mar 2013 21:31:36 15,702 posts
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    Absolutely. It's not so much the crime but that absolute pisstakery that confounds it that gets to me, and at every step they seemed to completely believe with a straight face they were justified. The worst type of people.
  • President_Weasel 11 Mar 2013 21:34:23 8,940 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    Absolutely. It's not so much the crime but that absolute pisstakery that confounds it that gets to me, and at every step they seemed to completely believe with a straight face they were justified. The worst type of people.
    A much more concise way of putting what I was trying to say in my somewhat ranty and long winded post.
    I think it's because they're politicians and not used to a world in which things are true or not true.
  • RedSparrows 11 Mar 2013 21:38:10 21,988 posts
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    Plenty of people are just as devious/self-deluding.

    ESPECIALLY about driving.
  • President_Weasel 11 Mar 2013 21:41:08 8,940 posts
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    Few of them have quite so much deluded belief that the law only applies to "the little people".
    (And I don't mean leprechauns; those are magical creatures and cannot be fettered by the bonds of law)
  • Bremenacht 11 Mar 2013 21:48:51 17,600 posts
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    Huhne could have been deputy PM.
  • Tom_Servo 11 Mar 2013 22:32:14 17,274 posts
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    Amazing picture
  • spamdangled 11 Mar 2013 22:48:45 27,269 posts
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    Bremenacht wrote:
    Huhne could have been deputy PM.
    He was aiming to overthrow Clegg apparently, hence the timing of the whole thing by his wife when she got wind.

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  • Bremenacht 11 Mar 2013 22:59:25 17,600 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    Bremenacht wrote:
    Huhne could have been deputy PM.
    He was aiming to overthrow Clegg apparently, hence the timing of the whole thing by his wife when she got wind.
    Just look how close he got.
  • Chopsen 11 Mar 2013 23:25:50 15,702 posts
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    If he had been leader and this happened...would have been some interesting times for the coalition
  • spamdangled 13 Mar 2013 12:05:43 27,269 posts
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    "Following his U-turn on minimum pricing for alcohol, can the Prime Minister tell us what he could organise in a brewery?"

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  • LeoliansBro 13 Mar 2013 12:06:43 43,170 posts
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    Nice, except it doesn't really work as it's now easier to organise a piss up...

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • spamdangled 14 Mar 2013 11:58:09 27,269 posts
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    An amazing bit of cronyism from David Cameron:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21785611

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  • Psychotext 14 Mar 2013 12:21:31 53,785 posts
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    That's what happens when most people forget about an issue.
  • TheSaint 14 Mar 2013 13:07:54 14,199 posts
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    Or just really don't care. A royal charter is fine for the BBC so I can't really see why it wouldn't work for the printed press.

    Unsurprisingly given the current climate the people have bigger things to worry about than some celeb's voicemail.
  • Psychotext 14 Mar 2013 13:12:10 53,785 posts
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    The BBC didn't start from the position that the tabloids are starting from.
  • spamdangled 14 Mar 2013 13:15:02 27,269 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Or just really don't care. A royal charter is fine for the BBC so I can't really see why it wouldn't work for the printed press.
    Because it's meaningless. The press will be free to break it or ignore it.

    And ironically for David Cameron, it's even more open to political tampering than the original recommendations, so his arguments simply don't hold water.

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  • Bremenacht 14 Mar 2013 23:13:46 17,600 posts
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    Cameron also said that the press really needs representation because they know what's required best. This follows up the story earlier this month that Oliver Letwin made a load of concessions to get the press onside with the Royal Charter plan.

    I think it's great. Cameron and the Tories expect something in return for their favour, but the press will do Cameron over anyway, if not the Tories.
  • Bremenacht 14 Mar 2013 23:44:08 17,600 posts
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    Stupid.
    Stupid.
    Stupid.
  • spamdangled 15 Mar 2013 03:21:02 27,269 posts
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    The other problem with the Royal Charter being put forward by Cameron is that:

    a) The proposed charter has been drafted by the press themselves to protect their own interests.

    b) It gives them a veto over anyone appointed as an independent regulator (meaning they will be free to appoint cronies)

    c) The Leveson proposals included a built-in protection against any future political interference, rendering all of the Tory objections immediately moot from day 1.

    Cameron's abandonment of the cross-party talks because he hasn't got his own way is an absolute betrayal of the entire process which not only fucks over the public, the victims of all the shit the press have been up to, but would also mean a massive waste of taxpayer money that was spent on the inquiry in the first place.

    Both Clegg and Milliband have now said that an agreement in the cross-party talks was very close to being agreed. It looks more and more like Cameron walked away simply because it meant all his rich Tory party press baron donors weren't going to get their own way (despite the fact they very happily signed up to even more restrictive measures in Ireland).

    I sincerely hope - and it looks at the moment like this will come to pass - that he gets roundly defeated in his proposal on Monday.



    From the look of it though he's on borrowed time anyway, with half his MPs looking forward to get rid of him already.

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  • spamdangled 15 Mar 2013 03:25:20 27,269 posts
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    Cameron is looking like the weakest PM since Callaghan.

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  • Khanivor 15 Mar 2013 04:02:37 40,359 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    Both Clegg and Milliband, seeking low hanging political fruit, have now said that an agreement in the cross-party talks was very close to being agreed.
    darkmorgado wrote:
    From the look of it though he's on borrowed time anyway, with half his MPs looking forward to get rid of him already.
    Wishful thinking must be a character trait you get when you roll Lib Dem. Either that or memory loss, as I struggle to think of a PM who hasn't reportedly had half his MPs calling for their blood within a few months.
  • spamdangled 15 Mar 2013 09:16:11 27,269 posts
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    I know you're a dyed-in-the-wool conservative Khani, but it's pretty difficult to see Cameron's leadership as strong at the moment. His own home secretary is allegedly plotting to get rid of him and is disagreeing with him in public, Gove is briefing against the government, he's had a number of significant rebellions in commons votes, and then there's the embarrassing number of U-turns he's been forced to make after his backbenchers reacted badly to his plans.

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  • Deleted user 15 March 2013 09:27:40
    Khani is right though, as far back i remember, major, blair and brown always had people plotting and sniping for PM position.

    However, i do agree the infighting seems more inherent in the tory party and always has done. I think thats only natural as you have a divide of pure consersativism and other MPs who realise that to win elections you naturally have to stand off centre.
  • spamdangled 15 Mar 2013 10:00:55 27,269 posts
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    The more hardline members of the party should just fuck off somewhere else more in line with their madness.

    Like UKIP.

    Peter Bone should be at the front of the line.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 10:08:16 15-03-2013

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  • LeoliansBro 15 Mar 2013 10:07:23 43,170 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    Both Clegg and Milliband, seeking low hanging political fruit, have now said that an agreement in the cross-party talks was very close to being agreed.
    Well of course they did, it's a golden opportunity to score political points.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • TheSaint 15 Mar 2013 10:27:07 14,199 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    Cameron is looking like the weakest PM since Callaghan.
    Are people forgetting Gordon Brown already?
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