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  • chopsen 11 Mar 2013 21:31:36 19,868 posts
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    Absolutely. It's not so much the crime but that absolute pisstakery that confounds it that gets to me, and at every step they seemed to completely believe with a straight face they were justified. The worst type of people.
  • President_Weasel 11 Mar 2013 21:34:23 12,339 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    Absolutely. It's not so much the crime but that absolute pisstakery that confounds it that gets to me, and at every step they seemed to completely believe with a straight face they were justified. The worst type of people.
    A much more concise way of putting what I was trying to say in my somewhat ranty and long winded post.
    I think it's because they're politicians and not used to a world in which things are true or not true.
  • Deleted user 11 March 2013 21:38:10
    Plenty of people are just as devious/self-deluding.

    ESPECIALLY about driving.
  • President_Weasel 11 Mar 2013 21:41:08 12,339 posts
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    Few of them have quite so much deluded belief that the law only applies to "the little people".
    (And I don't mean leprechauns; those are magical creatures and cannot be fettered by the bonds of law)
  • Deleted user 11 March 2013 21:48:51
    Huhne could have been deputy PM.
  • Tom_Servo 11 Mar 2013 22:32:14 18,079 posts
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    Amazing picture
  • spamdangled 11 Mar 2013 22:48:45 30,757 posts
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    Bremenacht wrote:
    Huhne could have been deputy PM.
    He was aiming to overthrow Clegg apparently, hence the timing of the whole thing by his wife when she got wind.
  • Deleted user 11 March 2013 22:59:25
    darkmorgado wrote:
    Bremenacht wrote:
    Huhne could have been deputy PM.
    He was aiming to overthrow Clegg apparently, hence the timing of the whole thing by his wife when she got wind.
    Just look how close he got.
  • chopsen 11 Mar 2013 23:25:50 19,868 posts
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    If he had been leader and this happened...would have been some interesting times for the coalition
  • spamdangled 13 Mar 2013 12:05:43 30,757 posts
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    "Following his U-turn on minimum pricing for alcohol, can the Prime Minister tell us what he could organise in a brewery?"
  • spamdangled 14 Mar 2013 11:58:09 30,757 posts
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    An amazing bit of cronyism from David Cameron:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21785611
  • Psychotext 14 Mar 2013 12:21:31 61,693 posts
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    That's what happens when most people forget about an issue.
  • TheSaint 14 Mar 2013 13:07:54 17,348 posts
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    Or just really don't care. A royal charter is fine for the BBC so I can't really see why it wouldn't work for the printed press.

    Unsurprisingly given the current climate the people have bigger things to worry about than some celeb's voicemail.
  • Psychotext 14 Mar 2013 13:12:10 61,693 posts
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    The BBC didn't start from the position that the tabloids are starting from.
  • spamdangled 14 Mar 2013 13:15:02 30,757 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Or just really don't care. A royal charter is fine for the BBC so I can't really see why it wouldn't work for the printed press.
    Because it's meaningless. The press will be free to break it or ignore it.

    And ironically for David Cameron, it's even more open to political tampering than the original recommendations, so his arguments simply don't hold water.
  • Deleted user 14 March 2013 23:13:46
    Cameron also said that the press really needs representation because they know what's required best. This follows up the story earlier this month that Oliver Letwin made a load of concessions to get the press onside with the Royal Charter plan.

    I think it's great. Cameron and the Tories expect something in return for their favour, but the press will do Cameron over anyway, if not the Tories.
  • Deleted user 14 March 2013 23:44:08
    Stupid.
    Stupid.
    Stupid.
  • spamdangled 15 Mar 2013 03:21:02 30,757 posts
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    The other problem with the Royal Charter being put forward by Cameron is that:

    a) The proposed charter has been drafted by the press themselves to protect their own interests.

    b) It gives them a veto over anyone appointed as an independent regulator (meaning they will be free to appoint cronies)

    c) The Leveson proposals included a built-in protection against any future political interference, rendering all of the Tory objections immediately moot from day 1.

    Cameron's abandonment of the cross-party talks because he hasn't got his own way is an absolute betrayal of the entire process which not only fucks over the public, the victims of all the shit the press have been up to, but would also mean a massive waste of taxpayer money that was spent on the inquiry in the first place.

    Both Clegg and Milliband have now said that an agreement in the cross-party talks was very close to being agreed. It looks more and more like Cameron walked away simply because it meant all his rich Tory party press baron donors weren't going to get their own way (despite the fact they very happily signed up to even more restrictive measures in Ireland).

    I sincerely hope - and it looks at the moment like this will come to pass - that he gets roundly defeated in his proposal on Monday.



    From the look of it though he's on borrowed time anyway, with half his MPs looking forward to get rid of him already.
  • spamdangled 15 Mar 2013 03:25:20 30,757 posts
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    Cameron is looking like the weakest PM since Callaghan.
  • Khanivor 15 Mar 2013 04:02:37 43,248 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    Both Clegg and Milliband, seeking low hanging political fruit, have now said that an agreement in the cross-party talks was very close to being agreed.
    darkmorgado wrote:
    From the look of it though he's on borrowed time anyway, with half his MPs looking forward to get rid of him already.
    Wishful thinking must be a character trait you get when you roll Lib Dem. Either that or memory loss, as I struggle to think of a PM who hasn't reportedly had half his MPs calling for their blood within a few months.
  • spamdangled 15 Mar 2013 09:16:11 30,757 posts
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    I know you're a dyed-in-the-wool conservative Khani, but it's pretty difficult to see Cameron's leadership as strong at the moment. His own home secretary is allegedly plotting to get rid of him and is disagreeing with him in public, Gove is briefing against the government, he's had a number of significant rebellions in commons votes, and then there's the embarrassing number of U-turns he's been forced to make after his backbenchers reacted badly to his plans.
  • Deleted user 15 March 2013 09:27:40
    Khani is right though, as far back i remember, major, blair and brown always had people plotting and sniping for PM position.

    However, i do agree the infighting seems more inherent in the tory party and always has done. I think thats only natural as you have a divide of pure consersativism and other MPs who realise that to win elections you naturally have to stand off centre.
  • spamdangled 15 Mar 2013 10:00:55 30,757 posts
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    The more hardline members of the party should just fuck off somewhere else more in line with their madness.

    Like UKIP.

    Peter Bone should be at the front of the line.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 10:08:16 15-03-2013
  • TheSaint 15 Mar 2013 10:27:07 17,348 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    Cameron is looking like the weakest PM since Callaghan.
    Are people forgetting Gordon Brown already?
  • imamazed 15 Mar 2013 10:30:05 6,305 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    darkmorgado wrote:
    Cameron is looking like the weakest PM since Callaghan.
    Are people forgetting Gordon Brown already?
    Interesting one, Brown. I'd agree with your general sentiment; I think he'll be rightly be remembers as a weak PM. His biggest problem was domestic indecisiveness, which is catastrophic for a PM. But, for some reason, he was anything but weak in foreign affairs and with the economic crisis. If he could have followed it up with an election victory or had some cohesiveness domestically, he may well have been remembered as a strong PM.
  • TheSaint 15 Mar 2013 10:36:20 17,348 posts
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    He also came close to a couple of leadership challenges. Anyway it isn't really fair to compare the power of a coalition prime minister to one with an overall majority.
  • spamdangled 15 Mar 2013 10:37:44 30,757 posts
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    imamazed wrote:
    TheSaint wrote:
    darkmorgado wrote:
    Cameron is looking like the weakest PM since Callaghan.
    Are people forgetting Gordon Brown already?
    Interesting one, Brown. I'd agree with your general sentiment; I think he'll be rightly be remembers as a weak PM. His biggest problem was domestic indecisiveness, which is catastrophic for a PM. But, for some reason, he was anything but weak in foreign affairs and with the economic crisis. If he could have followed it up with an election victory or had some cohesiveness domestically, he may well have been remembered as a strong PM.
    Brown's biggest problem is that he will always be remembered as the PM no-one wanted, by virtue of being unelected.

    Yes Major was unelected too initially, but he at least survived through one GE.
  • disusedgenius 15 Mar 2013 10:37:47 8,373 posts
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    I don't think Cameron is in a particularly weak position - no more than any of the other leaders. Pretty much any of them could easily be got rid of after the next election. At the end of the day not every PM can (or should) be a Thatcher in that regard.

    Edited by disusedgenius at 10:38:13 15-03-2013
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