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  • Mr_Sleep 11 Dec 2012 21:17:23 16,930 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Itís a no win situation. Forcing the church to do something does no one any favours but neither does, effectively allowing an institution to wantonly discriminate.
    That is a nice summary. I concur with that. My question is more related to the homosexual community's standpoint, after all, if there was no push from that community then it would continue as it is. Not that I'm saying how it currently is is correct. My question is more, what is the end goal with campaigning for it? Is that useful and worth the effort?

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  • Mr_Sleep 11 Dec 2012 21:24:51 16,930 posts
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    MetalDog wrote:
    @Mr_Sleep
    So, would you wonder why an alcoholic would want to get married in the church they grew up in, or joined? Or why the greedy person would? Or the selfish person, the hypocrite, the uncharitable, the gossip, the angry, the lazy, etc. All of them are sinning in their lifestyle in some way, but they wouldn't want to abandon their whole faith because they're not totally in step with every rule.
    I do wonder why a lot of people want to get married, to be honest :-) From what you've said I can certainly see it from the point of view of someone who is gay who also wants a church wedding in front of God. I guess that does kind of answer my question. I am from the generation when I was growing up there was no homosexuality in the church, apart from the occasional scandal.

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  • Moot_Point 13 Dec 2012 12:51:42 3,982 posts
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    I thought we had a say in further integration with the EU. I guess not.Linky.

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  • senso-ji 17 Dec 2012 10:14:11 5,850 posts
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    Ritz hasn't paid any corporation tax for 17 years
  • LeoliansBro 17 Dec 2012 10:29:35 43,793 posts
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    Oooh, would like to see how they managed this. Also lol:

    MP Nadine Dorries said: "They're incredibly wealthy men who don't pay British tax. I think it is just utterly appalling
    Do you know who else is an incredibly wealthy man who doesn't pay British tax? Bill Gates.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • DaM 17 Dec 2012 10:41:30 12,985 posts
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    senso-ji wrote:
    Ritz hasn't paid any corporation tax for 17 years
    That's just crackers.
  • RedSparrows 17 Dec 2012 10:45:49 22,266 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Oooh, would like to see how they managed this. Also lol:

    MP Nadine Dorries said: "They're incredibly wealthy men who don't pay British tax. I think it is just utterly appalling
    Do you know who else is an incredibly wealthy man who doesn't pay British tax? Bill Gates.
    :D
  • X201 18 Dec 2012 12:25:05 15,257 posts
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    The British Government's traditional 'Use the distraction of Christmas to hide bad news' routine has started.


    "The notice period employers have to give before creating large-scale job losses is to be cut from 90 to 45 days.

    Employment Relations Minister Jo Swinson said the move, along with other changes, was aimed at helping workers and businesses."




    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20768345
  • Psychotext 18 Dec 2012 12:33:52 53,933 posts
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    Holy fucking shit. What a shower of cunts.
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 18 Dec 2012 12:36:54 6,654 posts
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    yep.
  • jellyhead 18 Dec 2012 12:44:24 24,350 posts
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    It helps workers find new jobs more quickly as they now have 45 days not 90 days. Classy.

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  • WoodenSpoon 18 Dec 2012 16:32:40 12,285 posts
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    With any luck UKIP will emerge as the new third party and split the selfish wanker vote.
  • LeoliansBro 18 Dec 2012 16:38:44 43,793 posts
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    It's pretty nasty, and a pro-business step too far in my book.

    How much you going to bet me that Labour actually reverse it in 2015 though?

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • senso-ji 18 Dec 2012 16:40:14 5,850 posts
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    Labour will revise it under pressure from the Unions, but they'll have a compromise where they raise it to 60 days, and not back to the full 90.
  • spamdangled 18 Dec 2012 16:55:05 27,276 posts
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    Oh dear...

    A UKIP candidate has said that abortion should be compulsory if a foetus is detected to have down's syndrome.

    Was just on BBC News 24, doesn't seem to have hit the website yet though.

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  • X201 18 Dec 2012 17:00:12 15,257 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    Oh dear...

    A UKIP candidate has said that abortion should be compulsory if a foetus is detected to have down's syndrome.

    Was just on BBC News 24, doesn't seem to have hit the website yet though.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mencap-slams-ukip-candidate-over-downs-syndrome-compulsory-abortion-comments-8424147.html
  • Psychotext 18 Dec 2012 17:03:30 53,933 posts
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    Ouch. =/
  • Moot_Point 19 Dec 2012 00:13:29 3,982 posts
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    Merry Christmas from the Tories!

    Why not just ban Christmas altogether for those who cannot find a job.

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  • Psychotext 19 Dec 2012 00:59:37 53,933 posts
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    Yay, food stamps.
  • spamdangled 19 Dec 2012 01:14:28 27,276 posts
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    Yeah, fuck standards of living, let's just keep all the unemployed on the absolute baseline of existence. Fuck all the decades of research that prove how recreation and social integration are vital parts of human life. Nah, let's just make them all eat basic baked beans out a tin on shitty stale value bread seven days a week, that will sort them all out.

    Fucking scroungers, anyone would think it's hard to find a decent stable living these days. Pft. Nope, the poor need the whip on their back to help them back into line so we can make lives easier for the rich.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 01:42:12 19-12-2012

    Edited by darkmorgado at 01:43:03 19-12-2012

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  • El_MUERkO 19 Dec 2012 01:32:04 16,972 posts
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    If politics was an exam I'd suspect the Tories were peaking at the Americans answers.

    Gutting employment rights.

    Demonising the poor.

    Welfare turned into food stamps.

    Working for benefits.

    Lower the taxes of corporations and the rich.

    So they're copying everything the Americans have been doing since the sixties. Why?

    Is America better off now?

    Are its people?

    What do they hope to achieve?

    The US is fucked on many levels. Not for everyone but the majority of people over there have a worse living standard than us, why would we want that?

    I'd rather the poor were socially included and given real opportunities to progress in life than pushed to the side like so much waste.

    And it's not an entirely altruistic thought, angry poor people lash out, and commit crimes, crimes that could endanger me and mine.

    Gated communities and rent-a-cops are not a luxury, they're a prison for the greedy.

    Yet still the Tory party persist with an ideology so flawed it'd be embarrassing if it wasn't so damaging to the rest of us.

    I'm a right leaning libertarian who believes in small government and private enterprise and yet I disagree with almost every policy the government have committed to.... Worrying times.

    Edited by El_MUERkO at 01:44:06 19-12-2012
  • El_MUERkO 19 Dec 2012 01:34:02 16,972 posts
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  • spamdangled 19 Dec 2012 01:40:43 27,276 posts
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    Fix

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  • Khanivor 19 Dec 2012 02:15:13 40,523 posts
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    Aye, the only way to socialise is to smoke fags and drink booze...
  • El_MUERkO 19 Dec 2012 15:15:50 16,972 posts
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    Jezmando wrote:
    Well, things like this wouldn't seem nearly as bad if there were enough jobs. If there was full employment, I wouldn't mind tighter controls on what benefits are spent on, and making people work a bit for benefits wouldn't be so terrible. It was designed as a safety net, and a stepping stone. Doing any sort of work has to be good for your physical and mental well being.

    But the facts are that for every vacancy there are loads of applications. This is fact, and when you consider the government know this, you can only come to the conclusion they are victimizing the less well off and creating social stigma. There is no other reason I can think of.
    The problem with working for benefits is if a job needs doing someone should be paid to do it. Someone on benefits working at a juice bar 35 hours a week screws the public out of a job and the benefit claimant out of the time to prepare/go for interviews or get training to aide in their search for work.

    The government have said the benefit-jobs people do shouldn't replace 'real' jobs but that's bollox.
  • TheSaint 19 Dec 2012 15:24:07 14,294 posts
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    It seems fair enough to me. I wonder how many people on benefits make their kids eat unhealthy cheap crap so that they have enough left over to keep them in booze and fags for the week?

    Anything that encourages people to spend their benefits on the right things seems good to me.
  • Moot_Point 19 Dec 2012 15:26:18 3,982 posts
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    2013 Year of the Nanny State!

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