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  • Bremenacht 25 Jun 2012 15:20:42 11,162 posts
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    More exciting CPU fan news from Hexus!

    Demo of that <a href="http://hexus.net/tech/news/cooling/41481-test-noctua-fan-featuring-rotosub-noice-cancellation/">Noctua noise cancelling<a> tech I linked a page or two back. It's like those Bose headphones, if you didn't read the first link.
    <a href="http://hexus.net/tech/news/cooling/41489-spinning-sandia-cpu-cooler-30-times-efficient/">Fan as a heat-sink<a> technology demo. Looks tidy and cool (arf).

    Is there a better thread for this sort of stuff?

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  • Bremenacht 25 Jun 2012 15:24:22 11,162 posts
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    Hurrah. I can add this post to the thread, but I don't have permission to fix the last one.

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  • THFourteen 25 Jun 2012 16:03:11 29,047 posts
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    sport wrote:
    Razz wrote:
    Dirtbox wrote:
    You're talking out of your arse. I think the article is crap because they're using branded components when they could easily shave loads of money off by getting OEM, unbranded parts and skip the intel CPU, also you can get windows 8 for free right now or win 7 pro for about £40.
    Windows 8.. for free? For beta testing?
    Totally forgot about this. So I could technically have my build for under £250.
    won't that come round and bite you in the backside when it gets released and you can't get updates etc anymore?
  • sport 25 Jun 2012 16:52:18 10,903 posts
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    THFourteen wrote:
    sport wrote:
    Razz wrote:
    Dirtbox wrote:
    You're talking out of your arse. I think the article is crap because they're using branded components when they could easily shave loads of money off by getting OEM, unbranded parts and skip the intel CPU, also you can get windows 8 for free right now or win 7 pro for about £40.
    Windows 8.. for free? For beta testing?
    Totally forgot about this. So I could technically have my build for under £250.
    won't that come round and bite you in the backside when it gets released and you can't get updates etc anymore?
    Nah, I'll get a Surface then ;-P
  • MaxHughes 26 Jun 2012 15:41:39 444 posts
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    Rather than create another thread about building a PC, I'll just post it in this one as it seems to be the most active one here.

    First things first, I already have a case and a 700W PSU.

    I "think" I've found some bits that will get up and running once I have the funds confirmed.

    AMD FX-6100 - £107.99

    Gigabyte Motherboard - £83.99

    Kingston HyperX 8GB DDR3 1600MHz - £42.95 (Was thinking about getting 2 of these).

    Seagate 500GB SATA3 - £48.95 (I don't really have any use for anything bigger as I used to have a 250GB and it wasn't even half full).

    I can't decide on which GPUs to get, as I'd like to get 2 of the same so I can dual screen (most likely 2 AMD cards), or would it worth getting one better card that would do the job of the 2?

    Any advice would be great!

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  • grey_matters 26 Jun 2012 15:47:29 3,072 posts
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    A single card will display dual screen. A 6850 or whatever suits your budget.
    Stay away from AMD's FX series, they aren't good enough.
  • grey_matters 26 Jun 2012 15:50:05 3,072 posts
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  • RedSparrows 26 Jun 2012 18:24:07 16,948 posts
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    Post to break glitch... I hope!

    Edit: there we go.

    Edited by RedSparrows at 18:24:24 26-06-2012
  • RedSparrows 26 Jun 2012 18:53:58 16,948 posts
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    Intel Core i5 3450 3.1GHz Socket
    Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2H-USB3 H61 Socket 1155
    MSI HD 6850 1GB GDDR5
    Extra Value 4GB DDR3 1333MHz X2
    Sony AD-5280S-0B 24x DVD±RW & DL SATA Optical Drive
    Casecom CB-341Mid Tower Case
    WD 500GB Caviar Green Hard Drive - SATA-III 3.5"
    CIT 450w Gold 12CM Silent Atx PSU
    Here is my rough build atm. Just over £400. Any tips? Pretty much my budget limit.
  • grey_matters 26 Jun 2012 19:03:41 3,072 posts
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    Seems ok. Maybe bump up the memory speed a bit.
  • Bremenacht 26 Jun 2012 22:53:37 11,162 posts
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    Ach. Civ5 killing my laptop and the descriptions of such awesome, nicely priced RIGS is giving me itchy fingers. Real tempting.

    What's the likely price for a decent 1080p monitor these days?

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  • MaxHughes 26 Jun 2012 23:00:28 444 posts
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    grey_matters wrote:
    Stay away from AMD's FX series, they aren't good enough.
    Much appreciated!

    I only looked at FX series because it "seemed" more value for money than the 2nd gen i5s and i7s.

    Could you suggest (something around a similar price) that is worth getting but not at the ridiculous price of the 2nd gen i7s?

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    i5? :)
  • FutileResistor 27 Jun 2012 11:36:38 1,025 posts
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    @MaxHughes

    Unfortunately the new AMDs are pretty terrible. They draw lots of power and have a hard job beating their own previous gen Phenoms. Intel Sandy and Ivy Bridge CPUs are just much much better. For gaming even the dual-core i3-2100 will beat AMDs chips in most games.

    Since the £30 Asus board I linked to on the last page is now out of stock. You can pair a £47 ASRock H61M (which has USB3 and SATA 3 to take advantage of SSD) with an Ivy bridge i5-3450 (£150) for the same money as the FX-6100 and have a much better system.

    Or Novatech have the i3-2120 for £89, which would give you a marginally better system for £60 less.

    Also on the last page I linked to a Z77 board which comes with a Artic 7 CPU cooler. Pair this with an i5-2500K or an i5-3570K and with just a little bit of overclocking, you will have a system that no AMD chip can match.

    You'll also need the 8GB of Corsair Vengeance RAM I linked to on the last page. Intel Sandy and Ivy bridge take 1.5V memory whereas your kingstons are 1.65V.

    Other advice is to also get a Samsung 830 128GB SSD for £78.

    If you still have that old HDD around ditch the Seagate HDD as well.

    Bit hard to give advice on the GPU front without knowing what games and what resolution you will be playing at, but as grey_matters said the 6850 is very good. 1920x1080 is pretty much the standard res for monitors these days and the 6850 is great for that.

    Edited by FutileResistor at 11:38:28 27-06-2012
  • Twin_snakes 29 Jun 2012 16:07:42 2,190 posts
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    I've just started putting my computer together but I've run into a problem. I've put all the stand off's into there holes but 2 of them don't fit in completely. Will this cause a problem?
  • Razz 29 Jun 2012 16:27:53 57,905 posts
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    Depends on how it's not fitting but the vibrations from the fans could damage the mainboard

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  • Twin_snakes 29 Jun 2012 16:29:57 2,190 posts
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    Both are in pretty securely but you can still see the screw head.
  • bodhi85uk 30 Jun 2012 15:55:32 127 posts
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    Im not sure if you mean the standoffs aren't going into the chassis, or whether the screws aren't completely going into the standoff once you've placed the board inside the case.

    If the stand offs really aren't going into the chassis properly, then you can get plastic standoffs to put in the corresponding screw hole on the motherboard. If the standoff isn't completely going in check if the chassis is bent slightly, don't put the board in if some standoffs are higher than others! You might accidentally scratch the underside of the board as you try to align it properly, or when you screw it down it will put stress on the board and might damage it.

    If you mean that once you put the board into the case, and try to screw it down that some aren't going in, then make sure the board hasn't moved slightly during the process of screwing down. You shouldn't screw any of the screws completely down until you've got all of them in, because the slightest movement might mean the holes don't line up (much like when you change a tyre, work in opposite corners). If you are sure its all aligned correctly, and they still won't go in I probably wouldn't worry, as long as the board is safely resting on the standoffs, and 4 of the 6 (if its an mATX for example) or 6 of the 9 (if its ATX) so that theres no way it will slide, then I wouldn't worry about it so long as they aren't likely to fall out into the case and short anything, if you think they are then better to take them out.

    Are you sure the thread diameter if correct? Often the screws have the same shape head and different size thread whether its for case/hdd or optical drives.
  • Bremenacht 30 Jun 2012 17:23:12 11,162 posts
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    Photo would help.

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  • Saturn_Ascends 30 Jun 2012 17:36:21 385 posts
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    Just about to pull the trigger on the major part of a new build:

    Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H Socket 1155 VGA DVI HDMI 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
    Intel Core i5 3570K 3.4GHz Socket 1155 6MB Cache OEM Processor
    G-Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz RipjawsX Memory Kit CL9 (9-9-9-24) 1.5V
    SAMSUNG 128GB 830 Series SSD - 2.5" SATA-III

    I'll be using existing parts to fill in the blanks. My current graphics card (1gb 4870) will be upgraded at some point down the line, probably nearer the end of the year.

    So, is there any glaring errors in those parts above or should I be good to go?
  • superdelphinus 30 Jun 2012 17:38:58 6,167 posts
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    yes, their names are incomprehensible

    for an idiot like me, what would you people recommend i read to try and get an idea of what i need to buy?!
  • Bremenacht 30 Jun 2012 17:43:03 11,162 posts
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    Tom's Hardware does regular system building articles.

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  • superdelphinus 30 Jun 2012 17:52:12 6,167 posts
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    Cheers
  • bodhi85uk 30 Jun 2012 18:12:26 127 posts
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    @Saturn_Ascends that processor won't come with a supplied heatsink & fan, so I assume you've got a suitable one?

    Edited by bodhi85uk at 18:12:34 30-06-2012
  • Razz 30 Jun 2012 18:16:08 57,905 posts
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    @Twin_snakes
    bodhi85uk wrote:
    Im not sure if you mean the standoffs aren't going into the chassis, or whether the screws aren't completely going into the standoff once you've placed the board inside the case.

    If the stand offs really aren't going into the chassis properly, then you can get plastic standoffs to put in the corresponding screw hole on the motherboard. If the standoff isn't completely going in check if the chassis is bent slightly, don't put the board in if some standoffs are higher than others! You might accidentally scratch the underside of the board as you try to align it properly, or when you screw it down it will put stress on the board and might damage it.

    If you mean that once you put the board into the case, and try to screw it down that some aren't going in, then make sure the board hasn't moved slightly during the process of screwing down. You shouldn't screw any of the screws completely down until you've got all of them in, because the slightest movement might mean the holes don't line up (much like when you change a tyre, work in opposite corners). If you are sure its all aligned correctly, and they still won't go in I probably wouldn't worry, as long as the board is safely resting on the standoffs, and 4 of the 6 (if its an mATX for example) or 6 of the 9 (if its ATX) so that theres no way it will slide, then I wouldn't worry about it so long as they aren't likely to fall out into the case and short anything, if you think they are then better to take them out.

    Are you sure the thread diameter if correct? Often the screws have the same shape head and different size thread whether its for case/hdd or optical drives.

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  • Saturn_Ascends 30 Jun 2012 18:18:33 385 posts
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    Yeah, you get one (an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro) free with the mobo.

    Edited by Saturn_Ascends at 18:19:04 30-06-2012
  • superdelphinus 1 Jul 2012 15:21:34 6,167 posts
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    What would you change about this ? If anything?

    comes to about £900 if i add all the bits up in amazon (changed the processor to 2500 though)

    Edited by superdelphinus at 15:23:26 01-07-2012
  • Bremenacht 1 Jul 2012 23:52:51 11,162 posts
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    nVidia's 670 is widely available now, and it's regarded as being on performance par with the 7970 yet often quieter, cooler etc.

    You can get this well-reviewed version off Amazon for a similar price, although you'd need to check compatibility etc.

    I've not built anything for years and years though, so get some more opinions.

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  • FutileResistor 2 Jul 2012 04:30:58 1,025 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    What would you change about this ? If anything?

    comes to about £900 if i add all the bits up in amazon (changed the processor to 2500 though)
    The weird thing about that build is that they've opted to save $30 on a locked chip and then spent a load of money on an overclocking board.

    i5-2500K £156
    Z77 Motherboard about £85. I don't see much point in getting the previous gen boards over an Ivy Bridge. Unless the sandy bridge is a lot cheaper, which it isn't.
    Corsair Vengeance 8GB £39
    Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD £63
    Sony Optiarc AD-7280S DVD Writer £11.50
    Case £20-£50
    Corsair CX600 Series V2 £53

    I make that £428-58 depending on which case you opt for. So even with a £300 GPU comes in under £800.

    Although the 7970 is a bit better, ,like Bremenacht, I would go for a GTX 670 as the more energy efficient design.

    If you're gaming at 1920x1080, you really don't need anything more than a 7870 or arguably a 7850.

    I would strongly recommend a Samsung 830. In fact it's a bit ridiculous not having a SSD in any PC now that prices have crashed. In a £900 PC the absurdity smacks you in the face like a wet fish wrapped round a brick.
  • superdelphinus 2 Jul 2012 09:14:09 6,167 posts
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    Heh, thanks for all that chapz. What about the third generation i5s?

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