International 'nutter runs amok' shootings thread (inspired by America) Page 29

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  • Flightrisker 24 Jul 2012 07:06:27 18,096 posts
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    ronuds wrote:
    Flightrisker wrote:
    If 30,000 people a year in my country were dying from comics I'd probably be open for a discussion on what should and should be allowed in society.
    What if your hobby was driving cars?
    What are you suggesting then? What, there should be some sort of driving test to prevent random people just walking into a shop and buying a car and driving it down the road without any waiting period or proof that they may be capable and responsibe to handle such an item? Yeah that sounds good, do that.
  • fletch7100 24 Jul 2012 08:29:38 7,145 posts
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    Off topic ,breakdown of all the deaths in Uk from 2009
  • spamdangled 24 Jul 2012 08:33:42 27,276 posts
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    fletch7100 wrote:
    Off topic ,breakdown of all the deaths in Uk from 2009
    Doesn't seem to include murder?

    And since when did people die from Schizophrenia? If they were hallucinating and jumped off a bridge or something, then wouldn't it be better to count it under "falls"?

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  • fletch7100 24 Jul 2012 08:40:55 7,145 posts
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    Yeah I like the 1,200 deaths by unknown causes


    Don't like the 200 deaths by disease to Male gential

    Smoking has 600 deaths, then you look at the respiratory/cancer deaths to get a better figure at smoking related deaths

    Edited by fletch7100 at 08:49:02 24-07-2012
  • Chopsen 24 Jul 2012 08:50:01 15,834 posts
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    fletch7100 wrote:
    don't like the 200 deaths by disease to Male gential
    Compared to the 63 who died due to pregnancy.

    Sometimes it's hard to be a woman? Bollocks it is.

    Edited by Chopsen at 08:50:18 24-07-2012
  • RedSparrows 24 Jul 2012 08:50:54 22,241 posts
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    I wonder if anyone has written on US popular concepts of liberty, and how monistic and rigidly defined they can be at times.

    I.e US is the land of the free, but only if you are Christian, anti-socialist, possibly white, think gun control is evil, disregard means to freedom in equations of liberty, and so on.
  • Chopsen 24 Jul 2012 08:59:21 15,834 posts
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    You did, just there.
  • RedSparrows 24 Jul 2012 09:05:03 22,241 posts
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    Someone with something interesting to say, I mean.
  • fletch7100 24 Jul 2012 09:06:35 7,145 posts
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    http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/science-research/research-statistics/crime/crime-statistics/
  • Deckard1 24 Jul 2012 09:09:35 27,604 posts
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    I'd like to be eaten by a shark.

    Hush you ponce

  • fletch7100 24 Jul 2012 09:16:57 7,145 posts
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    Which sort of shark?smaller shark with smaller bites who will savour your lovely flesh or a great white which probably be like a fat kid attacking a KFC bargain bucket
  • Deckard1 24 Jul 2012 09:18:50 27,604 posts
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    Great White. I don't mean right this minute, but when I'm old and fucked. Just baste me up and throw me in the water. What a way to go.

    Hush you ponce

  • nickthegun 24 Jul 2012 09:21:54 59,365 posts
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    I remember when labour were trying to hit crime statistic targets but were scuppered by the amount of people getting mugged for their mobiles. Undeterred, they did the labour thing of reclassifying it as a different crime and, lo, the robbery with violence targets were now bang on.

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    He totally called it

  • fletch7100 24 Jul 2012 09:24:20 7,145 posts
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    @Deckard1

    So will you get ready for the Great White by looking like this

    http://johnnycat.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/shaw_quint.jpg
  • fletch7100 24 Jul 2012 09:25:34 7,145 posts
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    George Carlin: It's the old American double standard. Say one thing, do something different. And, of course, the country is founded on the double standard. That's our history. This country was founded on a very basic double standard. This country was founded by slave owners who wanted to be free.
  • glaeken 24 Jul 2012 09:44:01 11,134 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Yep. Thankfully no one in the cinema was armed. I say thankfully because the carnage a bunch of people could cause firing at a single, invulnerable man in a crowded theater would likely see a dozen more die.
    No you have it all wrong. This would never of happen if everyone were armed. I can see the situation now with everyone pulling guns and blazing away in a darkened room full of smoke. I have absolute confidence people would be able to figure out who it was that actually started the shooting and so only shoot at them.
  • RedSparrows 24 Jul 2012 11:05:19 22,241 posts
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    Of course: people with guns are known to be 100% more infallible than those without.
  • Deleted user 24 July 2012 14:57:52
    RedSparrows wrote:
    I wonder if anyone has written on US popular concepts of liberty, and how monistic and rigidly defined they can be at times.

    I.e US is the land of the free, but only if you are Christian, anti-socialist, possibly white, think gun control is evil, disregard means to freedom in equations of liberty, and so on.
    Plenty of people. One of the big dilemmas of modern government (any government) is the balance between individual freedom, overall equality and general order.

    The main problem is that people put the emphasis on different things in different states, and shift the blame to different places. Some accuse the Supreme Court of restricting individual freedom, some believe the government shouldn't have any say whatsoever on order (a popular argument following the War on Terror and the increase in the powers of Homeland Security), some believe that giving up individual rights for the benefit of the populous is a good thing, etc etc. There's literally no consensus on what the federal government should really be concentrating on, which explains why there's such a wide divide between the two parties nowadays.

    For what it's worth though, I'm atheist, vaguely socialist and really wish for tighter gun control, yet I'm not restricted or oppressed in any way (outside of not yet being a citizen, anyway) - if anything, I'm flourishing, and I live in a fairly gun-crazy, heavily religious right-wing state.
  • Mola_Ram 24 Jul 2012 15:04:23 7,154 posts
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    Which state is that? Arizona?
  • Deleted user 24 July 2012 15:05:23
    Idaho.
  • monkman76 24 Jul 2012 15:08:04 4,139 posts
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    Populace.
  • Deleted user 24 July 2012 15:14:33
    That too. Peter Molyneux has warped my vocabulary.
  • Mola_Ram 24 Jul 2012 15:15:27 7,154 posts
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    Ah, the potato state.

    It's worth pointing out that America is really like a whole bunch of different countries. It should go without saying, of course, and of course the same could be said about most large countries. But still I sometimes hear people talk about "Americans", as if being American is in itself significant.
  • ronuds 24 Jul 2012 15:55:58 21,788 posts
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    @meme - How do you end up in Idaho of all places? They must look at you like you're an alien.
  • convercide 24 Jul 2012 15:57:41 5,978 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    Great White. I don't mean right this minute, but when I'm old and fucked. Just baste me up and throw me in the water. What a way to go.
    Water way to go?

    And there I might have misheard it from someone else but there are quite a few master basters on this forum.

    If you can read this, you don't need glasses.

  • Rusty_M 25 Jul 2012 11:51:47 4,639 posts
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    Why is it surprising? Illogical if analysed maybe, but I find it unsurprising. People perceive danger, people seek protection from said danger.

    The world is going mad. Me? I'm doing fine.

  • glaeken 25 Jul 2012 14:45:13 11,134 posts
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    He should have gone in costume.
  • Syrette 5 Aug 2012 19:21:21 43,238 posts
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    Shooting of worshippers at a Sikh temple, at least one dead.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/05/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    At least one gunman attacked worshippers at a Sikh temple in the Milwaukee suburb of Oak Creek, Wisconsin, on Sunday, leaving at least one dead and two wounded while police converged on the site.

    Some people are believed to be trapped inside the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, and at least one gunman may still be inside, Alderman Dan Jakubczyk told CNN.

    "As far as I know, it is still an active situation," Jakubczyk said.

    Carolyn Bellin, a spokeswoman for Milwaukee's Froedtert Hospital, said one of two men brought there from the incident was in surgery early Sunday morning, while the other was in the surgical intensive care unit.

    There was no immediate comment from police in Oak Creek, on the south side of Milwaukee. But at least one body was visible lying in the parking lot, and Kathy Moran, a nursing supervisor at Columbia St. Mary's hospital in Milwaukee, told CNN that early reports suggested between eight to 20 people had been wounded.

    Gurcharan Grewal, president of the Sikh Religious Society of Wisconsin, told CNN that he has heard from multiple people that there were wounded people still inside the temple and that there may have been multiple perpetrators. Police have sealed off the entire area, he said.

    Grewal spoke to CNN from another Sikh temple about 20 miles away, where he said police were on the scene was well.

    "We are really vigilant. We are really concerned," he said.

    The temple has a congregation of 250 to 400, according to its website.

    "I just want to say this temple was built a number of years ago and there have never been any problems with this temple," Jakubczyk said. "They've been a plus to this city and to my district."

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