Xbox 360 topples PS3 across Europe

By Robert Purchese Published 4 December, 2008

Microsoft has best November ever, it says.

Microsoft has boasted higher sales of Xbox 360s than PlayStation 3s across every region in Europe, including Sony-loyal territories such as Spain, France and Italy.

The company reported the best November ever for the Xbox division in Europe, following the September price cuts, and saw sales rise a staggering 124 per cent on this time last year. Meanwhile, the Nintendo Wii managed a 43 per cent climb, while PlayStation 3 sales increased just 3 per cent, according to Microsoft.

"November was a very significant milestone for Xbox - we sold the most consoles ever in our history in Europe, and are outselling PlayStation 3 week-on-week across Europe," cheered Chris Lewis, Euro Xbox 360 boss.

"In the current economic conditions, consumers are more cautious than ever and looking for more value for their entertainment spend.

"Xbox 360 delivers that value - we're now the best-value next-gen console on the market and this positive momentum indicates Xbox 360 is offering the right blend of gaming and entertainment experiences at the right price," he said.

There are none of the mentioned GfK Chart-Track figures to back this up, because Europe is quite precious about this information for some reason. It's worth noting that the Wii probably still tops the sales pops, mind you.

Lewis also said Microsoft was working with retailers to ensure a steady supply of consoles for Santa Claus this Christmas.

Analyst Piers Harding-Rolls from Screen Digest thinks this Christmas will be the biggest ever for videogames by a "substantial margin", too, economic climate and all.

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  • the_dudefather #1 3 years ago

    What about the Wii?

    edit: whoops, there it is
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 14:08

  • PlugMonkey #2 3 years ago

    It managed a 43% climb...
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 14:06

  • Steroyd #3 3 years ago

    It's a sad state of affairs when you're bragging over beating sales of the guy in last place.

    I got pwned by the your/you're monster. :(
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 14:09

  • jonsaan #4 3 years ago

    Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

  • Carlo #5 3 years ago

    They sell more because they keep breaking

    /obvious

  • ZuluHero #6 3 years ago

    oh come on. Everyone knows it's always been about Microsoft Vs Sony...

  • penhalion #7 3 years ago

    @Steroyd

    Nope it's sad when you are suddenly lapped by the guy who WAS in last place!

  • miiiguel #8 3 years ago

    Yes, the price difference is unfair. Governments should legislize in order to force that every system have the same price. And while at it, same games, same shape, same...

  • NotSoSlim #9 3 years ago

    BORING!!! Great in one whole month 360 outsold Sony and the rest of the year?? Yea thought so not mentioned.

    I swear MS and this bragging is getting boring..shut up sell the consoles and be happy. If it wasnt outselling the PS3 then MS have serious problems. Console is dirt cheap with the same games and a some AA exclusive yet only in November it outsells the PS3.

  • Steroyd #10 3 years ago

    oh come on. Everyone knows it's always been about Microsoft Vs Sony...

    But it means nothing.

    Sony: Hey look we sold 10 PS3's this month.

    Microsoft: Haha we aimed to sell more than you and sold 5 more.

    Nintendo: We sold 1,345,678 Wii's.

    Microsoft: ...

    Microsoft: We sold 5 more Xbox 360's than PS3's nuh. :p

    Shoot for the stars ffs, not the piece of s**t down the toilet.

  • DFawkes #11 3 years ago

    Sorry, are these figures from MS themselves? Hardly reliable, though probably in the ball-park at least. What a strangely American expression for me to use.

    I'm still reporting sales of "MyFace" are up to 10 Gazillion units, making MyFace, the latest console that emmulates a real face, the biggest selling thing in the history of time. I win.

  • Aretak #12 3 years ago

    Shoot for the stars ffs, not the piece of s**t down the toilet.

    Wait... you were saying they should be competing with the Wii a minute ago.

    (o/

  • DoctorZoidberg #13 3 years ago

    Fair enough the Wii sells very well (well done Nintendo).

    But its like comparing bicycle sales to car sales. Its a nifty thing the Wii, but lets look at who's buying it rather than how many are sold.

  • Thunderbolt #14 3 years ago

    Oh come on you whingers, Sony has and would be bragging if it was in the lead!

  • Cider86 #15 3 years ago

    WAOW Xbox RULEZ!! Sony SUXorZ!

    /masturbates

  • drumbaby #16 3 years ago

    Sony are saddled with that high price, and won't see similar rises to Msoft's until they can do something about it. How soon will that be though?

  • NotSoSlim #17 3 years ago

    @ Thunderbolt

    Sony have been outselling 360 in Europe (not uk)all year yet have you heard them say anything about it? End of the day MS are bragging because they are finally selling in places like Spain.

    They did the same with Japan and have now shut up becasue PS3 is selling 30k+(as of this week)

    Its just boring on all sides.
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 14:23

  • godslim #18 3 years ago

    the only reason wii and 360 sell more is plain and simple THEY R CHEAPER! ALOT CHEAPER!
    so parents are gonna get the cheaper options for christmas arent they!

  • Steroyd #19 3 years ago

    Wait... you were saying they should be competing with the Wii a minute ago.

    I'm talking about Microsoft, Sony's doing their own thing in lala land.

    Oh come on you whingers, Sony has and would be bragging if it was in the lead!

    BUT MICOROSFT IS NOT IN THE LEAD. that's my point.

    Just to be clear it's equally retarded if Sony started bragging about out selling the Xbox 360, fair enough it's progress with the more expensive console and getting the shit end of some multiplatform games but goddamn they both need to try and bust out Wii numbers for pete's sake, what they're both selling now are equally pathetic.
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 14:25

  • Buztafen #20 3 years ago

    whose pete?.....why do they have to do it for his sake?.....

  • Jimbob89 #21 3 years ago

    "Xbox 360 delivers that value - we're now the best-value next-gen console"
    It's not next gen anymore though really is it? Stop using that term!

  • IronCladChicken #22 3 years ago

    According to vgchartz The 360 is outselling the PS3 in all territories (and the wii is wiping the floor with both systems)

  • NotSoSlim #23 3 years ago

    I just wanna see what happens when both the PS3 & 360 are on equal footing with price.

    @ IronClad

    Also vgchartz is a guesstimate as Sony sold 35k in Japan so it cannot be outselling the PS3 in all regions. Didnt one Sony week wipe out MS gains they had made over 8 weeks?

    MS may be outselling it in Europe yet there is no official tracking Europe just estimates.

  • JediMasterMalik #24 3 years ago

    I revel in the hyperbole!

  • Runcle #25 3 years ago

    I'd say these are quite significant results, Microsoft are having to win over many other consumers that have been loyal brand consumers, although of course it depends on how these sales continue. I'm quite interested how sales follow next month and into the new year, especially with the price cuts and the new image of the Xbox 360 as a 'family console', could it possibly be that they've actually cemented themselves probably as a brand now?

  • mcmonkeyplc #26 3 years ago

    SDF inbound.

  • oliath #27 3 years ago

    That will explain why xbox live has been such a joke recently then.
    Constant lag.
    I wish they would fix that up instead of braggin about sales.
    I am this close to canceling my live subscription out of principal.

  • Redeye #28 3 years ago

    I'd like to take these individuals, regardless of which corporation they spout bollocks for, and put them all in a Monty Python sketch where I get to smack them all in the chops with a very large fish.

  • T4RG4 #29 3 years ago

    One blip perhaps?

    I must admit to being suprised how well the 360 has performed this generation. I believe it has won the battle versus Sony. Personally I, and everyone of the friends I've ever played games against/with, bought into the 360. If one machine picks up momentum amongst friends its safe to say others buy into it.

    The people I personally know with PS3's tend to be those that do not know much about games/the games industry (I'm not talking about people here on EG). For example - one of my sisters and her boyfriend. They still buy into the whole games = Playstation theory that spawned with the great PS1/PS2. Oh, then you have flash types who buy every console :D

    It's really come down to the games this generation. I dont think there is anything I care about on the PS3 (which is a shame and not to say there are no great exclusives). GT5 would have been interesting, but the daft buggers dont seem to want to deliver that. GT5P was somewhat dissapointing.

    Anyway... Lets see what the figures are like after Xmas!

    As for thw Wii... hmm. It really *had* to sell to people with little idea of what games/modern tech offered though didnt it ;)
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 14:54

  • Kbone28 #30 3 years ago

    As others have said, probably accurate but so very boring. No one cares anymore.
    Just keep the decent games coming...!!! Someone please for the love of god make a decent sonic game.

  • Santino #31 3 years ago

    "According to vgchartz..."

    don't mean to single you out here but VGcharts MAKE UP THEIR NUMBERS and are in no way useful when discussing sales figures.

  • NotSoSlim #32 3 years ago

    @TRG4

    I can see where your coming from but i flip that and say the same about 360. Maybe a cheaper price and certain games like a GT5 or GOW3 would change your mind.

    I am still waiting for a reason to own a 360 over PS3 so maybe your mind wont chage lol :-)

  • Fab4 #33 3 years ago

    Best November ever..how may Novembers does that actually cover? Eight?

  • andijames #34 3 years ago

    /awaits farticus

  • RamblinSydRumpo #35 3 years ago

    Bugger. Saw the word Topless in the title and jumped in to read the article. How disappointing.

    /makes appointment with optician

  • mister_moo #36 3 years ago

    I'd bet that a large portion of those sales are parents buying for their kids now that the arcade 360 is down to £130.
    Only parents would be foolish enough to purchase a 360 without a hard drive and hdmi so you don't get the full experience.

    If only they knew as much about games as our generation.. *sighs*

    PS extended bitterness at kids clogging up xbox live with their shrieking idiocies

  • godslim #37 3 years ago

    the point of the argument is the consumer buys the cheaper console plain and simple unless they are of course a fan or have the money! for me i saved for ps3 for ages because i prefer the games mgs4,socom,etc but anyone who just doesnt have the money would obviously go and buy a 360..wii sells well coz its cheap and simply mums and dads see it as something great for kids e.g thats y it'll do so good this christmas... and of course its just a question of what people prefer sum might buy 360 for gears of war or halo or might be a 360 fan or might have alot of mates with it.....in the end does it really matter everyone gets wot one they want.

  • Les #38 3 years ago

    Only when you realise how small your dick is do you feel the need when you discover someone with an even smaller dick to announce that fact as fast as possible...

  • Triggerhappytel #39 3 years ago

    My willy's bigger than your willy, etc.

    /Ad infinitum.

  • Sean.Aaron #40 3 years ago

    It's down to design, not price I tells ya! This is Yoorup we're talking about!

    The Wii, is the sexiest in a sexy Apple Mac/iPod kind of way. Beeeyoootiful.

    The Xbox 360, not as clean, but still, I'm impressed Microsoft put this out after the monstrous ugly turd their first console was.

    The PS3, well what the fuck was Sony thinking? The PS2 was no great shakes, but I fail to see how the design evolution from 1980s black stereo separate to desktop scanner is a positive -- and it's the size of a fucking receiver! Why so big? Are we compensating for something? Very disappointing Sony. You should be ashamed!

  • HardCoreGamer999 #41 3 years ago

    What is happening here ?
    The 360 is finally getting some ground in Italy and Spain and other EU countries.
    MS is breaking the ps2 into pieces(bit by bit) and pushing the 360 as a better price/performance alternative.
    And no , it's not only a price matter. Good marketing , good games impart to this.
    MS is finally getting some brandrecognition in these countries.
    PS3 has not done efforts like this and is paying the price for it right now.
    I know for some ppl this might sound fanboyisch but it's the truth.

  • Garulon #42 3 years ago

    "The Wii, is the sexiest in a sexy Apple Mac/iPod kind of way. Beeeyoootiful."

    Until you switch it on and find it's made entirely out of old GameCube...

  • NotSoSlim #43 3 years ago

    @ Sean.Aaron

    Its that size due to having the power outlet inside the machine. So now its about the look of the consoles..lmao

    @ HardcoreGamer

    Until Sony can get the price down they may see it as wasted money to advertise the machine intensely and get some first party games out. Guaranteed once the major firstparty games are due for release you will get a price cut and more ads. I also think by end of 09 a slimmer PS3 will be out.
    Edited by 2 at 04/12/08 @ 15:46

  • Xerx3s #44 3 years ago

    Wow, some people need to get out more.

  • moggsy #45 3 years ago

    @ vorlon_man

    The Wii is a games console, and people are going to decide between the Wi, PS3 and 360 - plain and simple.

    Nope. They ain't in the same market space, just like the Fiesta isn't in the same market space as a Jag even though they are both cars.

    My mum would never in a million years want to play on a PS3 or 360 - she's happily borrowed my Wii to play on with my dad though.

  • dreassic #46 3 years ago

    Since they didn't use any hard numbers, just percentages they sold more then last november, I seriously doubt they really outsold ps3 or else they woudl have given us hard data. They just gave percentages because it made them look good. 127% doesnt mean shit if the competition sells 10x as much for example.

  • enzima #47 3 years ago

    I think that MS has every right to brag about their leadership. After all, at the beginning of this console gen it was Sony-MS-Ninty. And it seemed impossible for MS to pass Sony. Now its Ninty-MS-Sony. But the hardcore market, the one made of people buying minimum 1 game per month, belongs to MS (as shown by the attach ratio). Plus many people own 2 consoles (generally a wii360), not so may people own all of them (like me, a total console-whore). It's pretty much a neat win for them, considering the prejudice they had to overcome. Before i bought a 360 i always thought Sony was on another level in respect to MS. Not anymore .

  • RedSparrows #48 3 years ago

    'I like the way he didn't go all politically correct and said Microsoft was working with retailers to ensure a steady supply of consoles for Santa Claus this Christmas.

    Most companies have "happy holidays, holiday season".....Good to see MS have Santas back! '

    wow, amongst all the bleating we have another straw man!

  • anomagnus #49 3 years ago

    you cant really lump the Wii into the same category as the Xbox and PS3

    Thats utter bullshit. Its not a next gen console, in fact, i wont even call it a console. Its something else, some hybrid between a console and toy

    In face, i see some Wii magazine closed its doors today, as it no longer wants to cover the Wii.

    The fact remains that MS is a late comer to this market, and it has done it in two generations.

    Nintendo has been around for 25 years, and its output has been reduced to shoval ware crap, and rehashed cube games

    Sony, in what can only be described as the fuck up of a generation, threw away leads in expertise, hard ware design, deployment, marketing, good will, to produce an over priced monstrosity of a machine that many developers cannot even code for. If this was 9 years ago, i'd be calling the PS3 a dreamcast. The only difference is Sony has more money to keep the white elephant which is the pSs3 afloat

    MS have a right to be proud.

    They've made mistakes, but i haven't played a console with such a fine library since the SNES

  • Les #50 3 years ago

    "Nope. They ain't in the same market space, just like the Fiesta isn't in the same market space as a Jag even though they are both cars."

    They are in overlapping markets. If the video game market is represented by a circle, Wii covers the outer rim, around 66% of the market. PS3 and 360 are in the centre and struggle to get out of the core. Wii is expanding in all directions outside of the circle, unhindered. You could say that 360 and PS3 are competing with Wii, but Wii doesn't compete with them.

  • oxymoron #51 3 years ago

    cheapest system sells more than most expensive system

    news at 11.

  • Marshall2008 #52 3 years ago

    the 360 will have outstanding sales this Christmas. Think about it, 3 years worth of games on the shelves, thats a shitload of preowned cheapo games out there. Parents walk into game and see a 360 for £169 with 3 games then look at the shelves and see loadsa games for a tenner each. SOLD.


  • Les #53 3 years ago

    "They just gave percentages because it made them look good."

    Of course they do, that's what press releases are for. The 43% climb of Wii probably represents more consoles than 360's 124% climb, while from a revenue perspective the picture would look even more bright for Wii (no price drop).

    But still, it's impressive given that 360 had till now shown nothing but sliding sales. It took a huge price drop, eating at their bottom line but it's not like they had a choice. Now they will have to show that those new converts will actually make them money (so not just being insurance consoles or people that buy one or two games and nothing more).

  • SEVQA #54 3 years ago

    PS3 in Europe, revealing internal figures that say its console has sold 300,000 more units than Xbox 360 in PAL territories.

  • Calgon #55 3 years ago

    LOL I love it how the Sony fanboys state Sony don't do this when they jolly well do... half the time they end the post with "yeah but Sony have been outselling MS for the rest of the year"...duh and Sony did boast about it too. Such hypocrisy is getting too mindnumbly stupid to ignore.

    Also they may well have enjoyed better sales in some territories for the first half of 08 atleast... but they werent outselling 360 by significant margins to be boastfull about(and neither were selling that well)... the only thing was it managed to sell any more than 360 at all, thats what they were chuffed about.

    This time of year IS the most important for consoles, a win here by a significant margin IS a big deal to the platform holders... it may be hard to accept if you are a Sony fanboy with a big mouth(hedbog must be in tears right now) who told everyone the PS3 would trounce 360 and Wii this christmas... but so far PS3 looks to be getting the worst of it, still a few weeks left of heavy shoppin mind you.

  • ronuds #56 3 years ago

    It's hard to take the Wii's sales seriously because it's clearly not the best console - nor does it have the best offerings (according to "gamers gamers" of course).

  • hahayou #57 3 years ago

    moggsy - I made a 360 vs Wii vs PS3 decision this xmas (for what will be mostly a guitar hero world tour machine - I prefer games on PC/handhelds usually).
    It does happen and they are in competition, at least in some cases.
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 16:12

  • HardCoreGamer999 #58 3 years ago

    Until Sony can get the price down they may see it as wasted money to advertise the machine intensely and get some first party games out. Guaranteed once the major firstparty games are due for release you will get a price cut and more ads. I also think by end of 09 a slimmer PS3 will be out.

    @notsoslim
    you maybe right ,but then can you question your theory on where will MS stand in 09-10 ? Will they stand still ? I presume not.
    To take advance Sony has to be 1 step before MS. Playing catch up or getting even with will not suffice.
    you can question if this is possible ? If it is , ill take make hat of. But is Sony not running out of time now ? Nintendo is filling hobbygamers marketsegment up ...very rapidely indeed, MS is now taking the mainstream market.
    what is the strategy with the ps3 ?
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 16:14

  • Calgon #59 3 years ago

    Les said But still, it's impressive given that 360 had till now shown nothing but sliding sales. It took a huge price drop, eating at their bottom line but it's not like they had a choice.

    I hope he doesnt think MS are taking any losses on hardware sales because they aren't, they are breaking even. So providing these people actually buy ANY games after their initial purchase... that's made MS money("oh nooo" says Les) add to that Live if they opt for it or the overpriced perhipherals(like its been with every platform holder ever... yes Nintendo too!) or the "market place" content.
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 16:15

  • des #60 3 years ago

    "cheapest system sells more than most expensive system

    news at 11. "

    No,the more popular system sells more,Wii is the living proof of that.
    Last gen ,ps2 would have "outsold" xbox and gamecube even if they where given for free,ps2 had everything,dev support,games,popularity...

  • ronuds #61 3 years ago

    So since the PS2 was cheaper than the XBOX, that's obviously the only reason it sold better! Not because it had more games or any of that.

  • IronCladChicken #62 3 years ago

    @anomagnus
    >Its not a next gen console, in fact, i wont even call it a console. Its something else, some hybrid between a console and toy

    The Wii, PS3 & Xbox360 are all toys (& consoles)

  • NotSoSlim #63 3 years ago

    @ HardcoreGamer

    My personal opinion is that MS will struggle withou 1st party exclusive. I could be wrong, but even tho they are currently outselling Sony in US and Europe(not Japan) they have sold less consoles this year than last even at a reduced price. Sony and Ninty have increased sales(some stats somewhere on the net)

    Now if that is not a source of concern for MS i dont know what is as most people i know have not got a PS3 yet due to price and games. Now we all know Sony have gret 1st party games i.e GT5, GOW etc even tho they are not everybodys choice they sell machines.

    MS have been securing 3rd party exclusives in preperation for Sonys big hitters because as Gears 2 showed a established franchise sell by the millions and put that with a sub £200 PS3 and gamer in all regions will eat it up.

    Me personally i prefer my PS3 but i i agree that the 360 is a great machine just not for me. 2009 year of PS3..nope just a defining one for Sony and you can sense they know it as well.

    Lastly PS3 is better catered for casual and hardcore gamers and MS know this and thats why they are desperately trying to convert the millions of PS2 owners now before the PS3 is at the so clled magic price point.

    All my opinion tho..none are facts :-)
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 16:28

  • Calgon #64 3 years ago

    Yeah thats a poor excuse wasnt the Xbox cheaper than the PS2 for a bit and despite being cheaper and clearley more capable(and it was starting to have more quality games that showed it too), it didnt make a difference. I dont think PS2 had better games personally(more of them sure but in the early days alot of PS2 software was totally pants compared to Xboxs first year).

    I think theres more to this collective mindset amongst the casual gamers... once they decide which is the one to get/coolest then its bloody hard to change their minds(even offering more for less hasn't done it... they still buy Wii in droves). It looks like finally MS isnt a name they avoid anymore to some extent but it also looks like they've chosen the Wii already as the one to get.

    MS should just keep improving their games library in scope and quality... I dont think anything they do will change some peoples minds, so no need to take stupid risks in an effort to emulate Nintendo, they should stick to improving on what they've done best this gen.
    Edited by 2 at 04/12/08 @ 16:39

  • onyxbox #65 3 years ago

    I bought a new one the other day and had to get a replacement twice because they were faulty out of the box.

    I wonder how many kids this Christmas are going to be dissapointed in Santa supplying them with one that also doesn't work. My advise to all parents is to check it works before Christmas day.

  • HardCoreGamer999 #66 3 years ago

    @notsoslim

    My personal opinion is that MS will struggle withou 1st party exclusive. I could be wrong, but even tho they are currently outselling Sony in US and Europe(not Japan) they have sold less consoles this year than last even at a reduced price. Sony and Ninty have increased sales(some stats somewhere on the net)
    Now if that is not a source of concern for MS i dont know what is as most people i know have not got a PS3 yet due to price and games. Now we all know Sony have gret 1st party games i.e GT5, GOW etc even tho they are not everybodys choice they sell machines.
    ------
    1 mounth showed a slowdown (was it August or Sept?)

    MS have been securing 3rd party exclusives in preperation for Sonys big hitters because as Gears 2 showed a established franchise sell by the millions and put that with a sub £200 PS3 and gamer in all regions will eat it up.
    -------
    Not so sure about that. G2 made money for MS and of course Epic.

    Me personally i prefer my PS3 but i i agree that the 360 is a great machine just not for me. 2009 year of PS3..nope just a defining one for Sony and you can sense they know it as well.
    --------
    I don't see 2009 as a defining year for the ps3 .And its It's not only about a battle of first party games. there is more .
    there are still no defining steps taken community wise, online , ect...
    Wel will see next year then.

  • Calgon #67 3 years ago

    Well I doubt many people will experience that Onyxbox(first example Ive come accross)... so count yourself lucky and bare in mind those units could have been sat at the back of the stock pile for a while and only now that they have reached stock levels so low(end of the year, christmas... very likely) can they reach the old ones... but good advice none the less and it clears the channels of the more fault prone models for everyone else too.

  • Rash' #68 3 years ago

    i think it's fair to say that as this is a ms press release it's hardly a credible source, but even without that, considering the price difference will it really be that much of a surprise if 360 outsold PS3? of course all the manufacturers are interested in dominant sales, so the bigger news would be: technologically superior, cheaper console still can't de-throne the technologically inferior yet dominant wii.
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 16:57

  • Calgon #69 3 years ago

    HardCoreGamer999 I think some are forgetting it was 3rd party that made Sony a success in the market to begin with... they've NEVER been a big First party power... Nintendo and Sega always had them thoroughly beaten in that regard from PS1 to PS2 to PS3.

  • DFawkes #70 3 years ago

    You know, I've been passing by the front page all day, and I'm still reading this as:

    XBox 360 Topless PS3 across Europe

  • Xerx3s #71 3 years ago

    "So since the PS2 was cheaper than the XBOX, that's obviously the only reason it sold better! Not because it had more games or any of that."

    I might be wrong but I don't think the ps2 was ever cheaper than the xbox.

  • Ryze #72 3 years ago

    EG am teh b1as3d!!!!!! What about da c3ll!??!?!?!?!? Da Blur4yz?!?!?!?!?!?!

  • prolific8 #73 3 years ago

    "BORING!!! Great in one whole month 360 outsold Sony and the rest of the year?? Yea thought so not mentioned. "

    When the tables were turned and the PS3 was selling two extra consoles a month the PS3 apologists were on every thread with their "WE WIN!11 TEH NEXT GEN HAS ARYVED!!1"

    Now the tables are turned they're suspiciously sceptical of these kind of news reports...

  • Ryze #74 3 years ago

    The Xbox was launched at £300, Xerx3s. Yes, it was definitely more expensive than the PS2 at launch.
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 17:25

  • IneptPercy #75 3 years ago

    As mentioned some people have said the Wii isn't really the same is it, as mentioned all cars can be classed as a car but they aren't all in the same league.

    What interests me with the PS3 sales is how far would they be without the strange brand loyality they have from many? My future brother in bought one and didn't even consider the 360. I got him playing on my 360 and he was really shocked that it was the same, he geniunely believed that the PS3 was 5x better than the 360. By no means is he now going to get rid of his PS3 but is looking at a getting a 360 now.

    My Nephew always goes potty to play on the Wii, he comes round and whenever I ask what he wants to play on its always the Wii, with that he gets 30-60mins every few weeks so I guess the Wii is fun at that exposure level, but it soon gets boring. I do like mine and when a game comes along which is designed for it then its great, there just isn't much too keep me going.

    Still hoping for a Dreamcast 2!

  • Sean.Aaron #76 3 years ago

    "The Wii, PS3 & Xbox360 are all toys (& consoles)"

    No kidding. I think some people are taking their hobby far more seriously than is warranted...

    And if the PS3 is so massive because some genius decided to put the power supply inside the machine, then they should be fired. Unless the PS3 is multi-voltage (which I doubt) they've made it more expensive to build for multiple territories. Of course given the sales figures, I don't suppose they'll be running out of stock any time soon...

  • Calgon #77 3 years ago

    Ryze to be fair the PS2 launched for the same price though and it sold fine, also the Xbox price drop came soon after and those that did pay full price got two free games and a controller out of it.

  • Ryze #78 3 years ago

    @anomagnus

    They've made mistakes, but i haven't played a console with such a fine library since the PS2.

    FIXED!

  • Ryze #79 3 years ago

    @Sean.Aaron

    Just swap the kettle plug and you can use it wherever, but that's nothing remarkable nowadays. The PSP PSU is the same.

  • cam_guin #80 3 years ago

    when I was working in games retail, I always remember telling peeps to buy a 360. The response?

    'I'm a Playstation man though innit'.

    I think statements like this show up the differences in attitude to the market place.

  • immateriaux #81 3 years ago

    MS, going by their now typical market strategy, would give the Xbox away for free if it meant more people took ownership of them. It's a very hard strategy to defeat and makes it no wonder they have started shifting units again coming up to Christmas, especially amid all the recession fears etc. In a different economic environment, there would be a cachet on the expensive item. Not now. Parents are not going to make the "this thing is too fucking noisy and breaks 33% per cent of the time" or even the "that would look good next to our Bravia" type decisions others will consider, they are going to decide - I've heard Timmy mention that Box X thing, and look it's the cheapest in the shop ...

    The console are all distinct in their own ways - Wii is a family entertainment thing with games, the PS3 a BluRay/Media hub that plays games, the XBox a personal heater that plays games. They should all be able to live together without having juvenile willy waving going on from corporate execs. It's really boring reading it every two weeks or so.

  • Ryze #82 3 years ago

    @retibra

    It's the image, mate. They've converted the masses by showing gaming as being more accessible and less geeky. Sony did the same with teh Playstation back in '95-'97.

    Shame they've lost their way.

    M$ have the gamers, and have the revenue from that huge attach rate. Now they need to break out of the gamer market into the mainstream by rethinking their image and marketing.

    They'll not even get close to competing with Wii without a bundled Xmote ripoff, however...
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 18:02

  • metalnut #83 3 years ago

    "My personal opinion is that MS will struggle withou 1st party exclusive. I could be wrong, but even tho they are currently outselling Sony in US and Europe"

    I've observed that everyone who says the PS3 will win is basing their argument on what will happen in the future. The PS3 will have the best exclusives, 360 will run out of them, developers will finally get to grips with the PS3 and stop making substandard ports, etc etc.

    When it came down to making my decision, I had to choose between a system which was cheaper and had lots of choice in games right now, or a system which was more expensive with fewer games I wanted now with *promises* of being better some time in the future.

    I made my choice and went for the one that scratched my itch right now, for a cheaper price. I figured I can always sell it and get a PS3 if and when it eventually realises the potential Sony always says it has, but has so far been a bit elusive. That was a year ago, and this year a number of my friends are doing the same. A year on and Sony is still finding it hard to convince people why they should pay more for the same or lesser gaming experience, and is relying on more promises (2009 will now be the year of PS3 allegedlly, although they said 2008 would be in xmas 2007 if you remember).

    I don't give a toss who 'wins' this generation (to my mind, if gamers are getting stuff they like and companies can afford to pay their staff, then that's just fine), but Sony clearly need to understand that 'now' is better than 'later'.

  • Calgon #84 3 years ago

    immateriaux Sony are going one further than giving it away for free... they are taking losses and they are still not looking like reaching 2nd place at this rate. ;) Good luck with your spin though.
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 18:17

  • metalnut #85 3 years ago

    "the XBox a personal heater that plays games."

    Yup, they should put that on the box - it's going to be a cold winter after all! :)

  • ronuds #86 3 years ago

    "the XBox a personal heater that plays games."

    Funny that you should make that comment and talk about juvenile willy-waving at the same time.

  • ronuds #87 3 years ago

    "I made my choice and went for the one that scratched my itch right now, for a cheaper price."

    This is what it's all about. I want to play a lot of games now, not next year or the year after or who knows when. Life's too short for that! :p

  • Dizzy #88 3 years ago

    "Only parents would be foolish enough to purchase a 360 without a hard drive and hdmi so you don't get the full experience.

    If only they knew as much about games as our generation.. *sighs* "

    Yeah.. our generation of gamers would of course know that HDMI is standard on all 360s.

  • Calgon #89 3 years ago

    It doesnt really matter who wins to me at this point, looks like its the Wii I agree. So with that settled, I can forget about who's in first place till anything changes and concentrate on which console is the best choice... and for me thats easily the 360.

    However...

    It will be amusing to me just to see the Sony fanboy/MS hater reactions if 360 does trounce PS3 sales this christmas accross the board... I love hearing these excuses too, before this gen started who would have thought they'd need so many excuses so often?

  • Totoriko #90 3 years ago

    WTF?
    [link url=http://www.mcvuk.com/news/32597/Sony-Were-ahead -of-Xbox-in-Europe
    ]http://ww w.mcvuk.com/news/32597/Sony-Wer...[/link]

  • Calgon #91 3 years ago

    Totoriko yeah because its not beyond Sony to lie when they feel the heat, the reason is they can not afford to drop the price, they are selling at a loss already. Damage control.

  • ronuds #92 3 years ago

    I think Microsoft's figures were for November or whatever time period and not LTD. So, as usual, Sony has missed the point. :p

  • Calgon #93 3 years ago

    They also said PAL and they also said their own internal figures... = I think I will take MS' word thanks.

  • Vic #94 3 years ago

    '...It makes no difference to me who wins...but it would be funny to see the response of Sony fanboys/MS haters if MS trounce Sony'.

    What a fucking idiot! I love how Calgon pretends to be some kind of objective observer, when all he does is criticise Sony and cream himself off to MS! He's like one of those BNP voters who are too ashamed to admit their political allegiance.

    At least Farticus wears his MS badge with pride...

  • lambtron #95 3 years ago

    Hmm.

    If Sony themselves are saying they're only 300,000 lifetime sales ahead in Europe (AKA last Sony Stronghold) then things really are bad!

  • Kryon #96 3 years ago

    it always amuses me to see Sony fanboys with their "so what if teh Power of da Cell is crap and da PSTRIPLE is bombing like a lead turd, da wii is still sellinz moar den da freesixtee innit blud!!!!111"

    lulz at you guys....Honestly....lulz

  • NotSoSlim #97 3 years ago

    @ lambtron

    Europe last Sony stronghold?? lmao

    Only the Wii has a stronghold(everywhere lol). If your talking about high def machines then Japan is Sony stronghold as 2.5m units versus 850k shows

    Also Europe with a 300k lead(if thats what it is)with the so called overpriced BluRay player Sony will be content, no price drop yet and still ahead of the console which ihas 2 skus cheaper than the Wii.
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 19:54

  • makeamazing #98 3 years ago

    @Kryon your not giving a convincing argument for your maturity though!

    Interesting link Totoriko. I read this in the Magazine today, and I was a little shocked by his statement and how he is saying it. To me it seems they have decided they will not/cannot catch Wii, and there is no way they can sell as cheap as MS, so they have decided that the aim of the company is to try and beat the PS2 in terms of sales and that is their goal. So I think they have given up trying to compete at the same level because they know they cannot right now (do they need to?). I personally think this is the right decision in some respects. Hopefully they will reduce the price next year though as I really think they should as BD is getting cheaper, and so the unit should be cheaper to make.. though I think as someone else said, they may not price cut until the slimline.

  • Ryze #99 3 years ago

    @NotSoSlim

    2 words:

    'Bluray Player'

  • Ryze #100 3 years ago

    @makeamazing

    I'd be very interested to see this 'slimline' happen any time in the next 2-3 years... they'd be upping their costs again if they think thay can fit all of that hardware into a 'slimline' unit.

    Yes it will happen, no it wont be 'slim' anytime soon.

  • Les #101 3 years ago

    "Kudos to MS for getting the price down so low, so quickly"

    I hate to break it to you but they didn't do that because they love us so much. If people had bought as much 360s as Nintendo sells Wiis from the start, the price wouldn't have dropped. And I wouldn't blame them. After all, it's all about the money (within the limits of the law of course).

  • youhavenomail #102 3 years ago

    Microsoft reps are such a bunch of lickspittles.

    "Ooh, look, sir, look at Davey PS3's bad maths score. I think I caught him smoking earlier too."

    "Your score wasn't that special either and we've all seen you masturbating under your desk everytime Davey gets a question wrong."

    "No, sir, I was just dreaming of having a Wiimote to play with."

  • Rash' #103 3 years ago

    i love how some wishful thinking, in a vain attempt to console themselves, are painting a doom and gloom pic for ps3.

  • Calgon #104 3 years ago


    '...It makes no difference to me who wins...but it would be funny to see the response of Sony fanboys/MS haters if MS trounce Sony'.

    Waaaaah shut up calgon stop pointing out that we are sad bastards who get upset enough about our console not being regarded the bestest... to troll 360 threads attacking people much more knowegable than us because we feel threatened and insecure


    Vic you dumb bastard!!! :D Now everyone knows, you knew you came under that very set of fanboys I was talking about. Spreading comedy gold in the form of "PS3 with pown 360 this year... FACT" type predictions telling everyone you know best... now you feel like a tit and attacked me for pointing it out. :D Jog on Vic theres a good douche...

    I've stated my preference is the 360 the difference between me and you is I know what Im talking about, Im not a troll and I dont get upset about which console is doing better, I am able to atleast look at things objectively(even though I do favour 360)... oh and I dont have a console to defend yet either. So man up Vic stop crying because you are just making twat out of yourself with your bile directed at me.
    Edited by 2 at 04/12/08 @ 20:37

  • Les #105 3 years ago

    Schrödinger +1

  • Calgon #106 3 years ago

    retibra did you read his post? Because it was piss take of his frothy mouthed opening... Im taking this piss out of him because he deserves it... any problem with that? I hate the PS3 trolls, you want to defend them then you aren't doing yourself no favours(dont expect much agreement either Vic, Hedbog, Apologie = they could be banned and thered be nothing but praise for EG) in your phoney noble attitude.

  • Kryon #107 3 years ago

    @makeamazing

    "Kryon your not giving a convincing argument for your maturity though! "

    What are you talking about? I haven't tried to prove my 'maturity', have I? I just made a statement that Sony fanboys are a little retarded when it comes to their view that ' it doesn't matter if the PS3 bombs, because the 360 is still behind the Wii'...

    If you want to be an SDF drone then go ahead, calling other people 'immature' doesn't make you look big or clever though, son...

  • Bumhug360 #108 3 years ago

    @Totoriko the bit where he says the price wont come down in the spring is not due to "value added.” Sony have said that due to the current exchange rates most of their products in the UK are in line to get a 30% price increase in Jan. The PS3 however will still be the same price, as a company they are really struggling to make money in the UK at the moment so they cant afford to drop the price any lower, they also cant afford to whack the price up by £90 as that would kill the PS3 over here.

    Of course this could just be a bluff and they are hoping people will panic buy sony products in the run up to Christmas rather than wait for the jan sales, but it does look at the moment that there is a large black cloud over Sony europe. Of course a bad year in Europe wont kill the company, it makes more than enough money elsewhere to scale back a bit over here

  • makeamazing #109 3 years ago

    @Kryon your certainly not clever.. and your certainly not old enough to have me as a son. Do what you like, some stupid little threats dont worry me.. son.

  • Rash' #110 3 years ago

    i'd hardly call price cuts bringing the competitions annual systems sales in parity with your offering as a dark cloud. i'd say to some extent it was to be expected considering in europe it's the second drop in price in under 6 months. the more pertinent question should be; how will sony respond? it's fair to assume this time next year they will be able play the price war game. how ms will compete then will a far more interesting proposition! i don't believe ms 360 plans are as steady as long term, rather take each year as it comes and deal with the market trends as you go. cowboys!!!
    Edited by 1 at 04/12/08 @ 23:05

  • Vic #111 3 years ago

    Thats cos Calgon is a psuedo-sophisticated cunt!

  • Xerx3s #112 3 years ago

    "2 words:

    'Bluray Player' "

    Bluray isn't a word.

    /swings

  • Sean.Aaron #113 3 years ago

    @Ryze

    "Just swap the kettle plug and you can use it wherever, but that's nothing remarkable nowadays."

    Well, it is a bit unusual in the world of consumer electronics. You do see mobile devices that have multivoltage power supplies in the last few years, but those are external bricks. It does seem to be a design negative in terms of heat and size of the machine.

    So, is PS3 doing well enough in Japan to offset the results in the US and Europa? How bad would things have to get for Sony to pull the plug? Clearly the Playstation has become a key part of their business, but given the current economic climate and Sony's recent setbacks over the past few years, how long can the status quo continue?

  • Calgon #114 3 years ago

    @retibra: So you didnt read their post? Yet you condescend me with... "no you are trolling, you dont set a good example blah blah"? Hmmm I find THAT funny :D...

    Well here it is:

    "What a fucking idiot! I love how Calgon... *blah blah cry*"

    So yes it was a piss take, a mockery if you will... I dont beleive for a second you arent just defending a fellow PS3 enthusiast, even if they are of a troll kind. You wouldnt have bothered with it otherwise... or you'd have atleast read their post before commenting.

    Really you are boring me now... this whole thread has become a bore with the same old antics from the same old trolls.

  • JackB #115 3 years ago

    @NotSoSlim
    I just wanna see what happens when both the PS3 & 360 are on equal footing with price.

    ==================

    iSupply had the PS3 cost of manufacturer at over $300 more per unit at launch and since then the 360 has sold more units, which helps Microsoft get the price even lower.

    So, how do you figure we'll ever see a day when the PS3 is the same price as the 360????? We won't and that's been Microsoft's plan from the beginning. The Xbox was more expensive to produce than the PS2 and this gen they learned their lesson and the tables are turned.

    Dream on if you think the PS3 will ever be able to match the 360 in price. Don't worry though, the PS3 is a super computer, so the games will do the talking. You probably still believe that one too. The next generation doesn't start until Sony says it does. Have we started yet? This will be the 4th Xmas in a row the 360 will have been the Next Gen choice. No matter what Sony says.

  • Grayvern #116 3 years ago

    I don't care who wins the console war all I care about is that we have multiple consoles to induce competition in the market.

    Ive got all three consoles and all have their positives and negatives. Im generally excited about the future of both the 360 and Ps3.

    And I prefer the PS3's user interface I find the xmb a lot less of a faff and distraction compared to the 360's. But its all down to personal opinion.

  • Kryon #117 3 years ago

    @makeamazing

    "Kryon your certainly not clever.. and your certainly not old enough to have me as a son. Do what you like, some stupid little threats dont worry me.. son."

    Well, son, I'm clever enough to know the difference between the words "your" and "you're", unlike yourself. I also have no idea what you are talking about in regards to 'threats'? Who has threatened you? I certainly didn't...You seem to be suffering from some rare form of paranoia that also stunts your grammatical abilities...

  • makeamazing #118 3 years ago

    Oh wow bring out the grammer.. thats really big of you.. yawn.

  • Kryon #119 3 years ago

    Good come back, Mungo.

    Edit - Just so you know, it's 'grammar' not 'grammer'....
    Edited by 1 at 05/12/08 @ 07:51

  • Yaz #120 3 years ago

    "Who cares? The 360 fucking sucks! It's the worst system of the lot."

    Boo-hoo? ;)

  • j1m.ch053n #121 3 years ago

    lol - theres nothing like a console war to enrage stupid under-educated fanboys! If I was an english teacher marking this thread I would have a field day with the red marker!

    Both consoles are decent enough - one has anti-aliasing, the other doesnt
    conversely one has blu-ray, the other doesnt

    the cross platform games on each are so similar you have to be a boffin to notice the differences in 9/10 cases with just the odd poor port here and there - just get over it and start to have verbal wars about the games - you know - the real reason we all use this site!?!

  • tnt_2008smum #122 3 years ago

    @zero_cool

    "Who cares? The 360 fucking sucks! It's the worst system of the lot. "

    piss off you troll!!

  • captain_Super #123 3 years ago

    Does this argument never end? Who cares who's outselling who? I chose my PS3 because I wanted free online play, Motorstorm, Wipeout HD, MGS4 and LBP. I have no loyalty to any one company, I just choose as I see fit. Now stop your whinging and bragging and be quiet....no-one cares!

    oh yeah and cos I hate the xbox controllers, just cant use them man....shame
    Edited by 1 at 05/12/08 @ 07:55

  • secombe #124 3 years ago

    This was summed up to me last night at the cinema (to set the scene, we just own a Wii).

    Advert for LittleBigPlanet came on, was bloody awesome, quite frankly. The other half immediately said "is that on the XBox?"

    When I told her it wasn't, she completely lost interest. Whilst she earns good money, spending that much on a console wouldn't even be a consideration, whilst the XBox is at that sort of level where you are always quite tempted, and a title that really appeals could easily push you over the edge.

  • loop7 #125 3 years ago

    When you can buy a 360 premium with Gears 1 and 2, Project Gotham 4, Far Cry 2 and Sega tennis for £188 at Game compared to £300 for a ps3 with LBP and fifa 09 I think that explains why the 360 outsells the PS3.

  • metalnut #126 3 years ago

    "the more pertinent question should be; how will sony respond? it's fair to assume this time next year they will be able play the price war game."

    Personally, I'm done putting faith in what Sony *might* achieve in the future, and I think a lot of other people are too. A year ago when I made my choice (= 360), I found it tough because everyone was saying that now Halo 3 etc were done, Sony was going to do gangbusters in 2008 and PS3 was going to be the place to be. Also the price wasn't so different then. In the end I narrowly came down on the 360 side because of the immediate value, telling myself I could always trade in for a PS3 in a year's time.

    A year has now passed, and if I was making the choice now the decision would have actually been easier (360 again). The PS3 has a much better game selection now, but comparatively for the average Joe the relative value of the machine has actually decreased because of how cheap the 360 is, plus the fact that 360 is still getting a bunch of well-rated exclusives.

    Sony needs to put up, or shut up. Promises of future grandeur might be something that the Sony faithful can hug to their chests at night, but for regular people who just want a good value games machine, the situation on the ground *right now* is what matters, and it's really not a PS3-favourable landscape what with a recession on. Like the boy who cried wolf, Sony have uttered the "next year we'll be great!" mantra one too many times, and most people will just look for results now, not promises.
    Edited by 1 at 05/12/08 @ 10:52

  • furiousone #127 3 years ago

    There's no real surprise there when they are giving them away!

    Why is that??? I'll let you decide.




    But, I think its probably more to do with the illegal downloads of 360 games? MS need to sell more consoles to get legitimate games sales up?

    Edited by 1 at 08/12/08 @ 12:43

  • Penguinzoot #128 3 years ago

    There's no real surprise there when they are giving them away!

    Why is that??? I'll let you decide.

    Um, because they can't sell them? Oh wait .... ;)

  • Numbat #129 3 years ago

    @ Zero cool - "who cares" - presumably you do if you're reading this forum, and by the number of comments, so do a lot of us. But why do we care? I really don't know. I just want a good console at a good price. At the moment, Xbox 360 and PS3 both suit me fine but 360 is cheaper - may get PS3 when comes down in price, but then it really has no games over and above the 360 I want right now. Wii interests me about as much as knitting!

  • muscleblade #130 3 years ago

    MS have a right to be proud.
    "They've made mistakes, but i haven't played a console with such a fine library since the SNES"

    Couldnt agree more.

  • VMerken #131 3 years ago

    MrrrAAaaoooWWWWRRRRrrrrrr!

  • smelly #132 3 years ago

    Sheesh! It surely says something about how entertaining modern games are if people are more interested in the sales of the machine than the games doesnt it?

    Who really cares? The ps3 is this generations dreamcast. The wii is this generations ps2 (underpowered in comparision but sells shit loads)..

    Whoopeee fucking doo!

  • smelly #133 3 years ago

    "They've made mistakes, but i haven't played a console with such a fine library since the SNES"


    (if the SNES only had fps games...)

  • Les #134 3 years ago

    "The wii is this generations ps2 (underpowered in comparision but sells shit loads).. "

    Nah, that doesn't do the Wii justice. The 360 is this gen's PS2 and isn't nearly as successful because the rules of the game have changed in the meantime. The Wii is the machine that changed those rules. It's truly revolutionary and therefore not understood nor appreciated by the establishment. But everyone else loves it.

  • Sean.Aaron #135 3 years ago

    Sony looks like they're in real trouble kids, so I ask again: how long can they afford to back this overpriced Blu-Ray player?

    Link

    And the most telling quote from an investment bank:

    "Sony has announced plans to cut 8,000 electronics jobs - 5% of the division - as well as shutting 10% of its manufacturing sites.

    The company said the jobs would be cut by April 2010 but did not say in which countries the staff would go.
    ...

    Sony aims to generate cost savings of about 100bn yen ($1.1bn; £730m) by the end of the next financial year.

    It will cut its investment in electronic operations by 30% and shut down about 10% of its 57 production facilities.

    "The number sounds big, but this staff reduction won't be enough," said Katsuhiko Mori, a fund manager at Daiwa SB Investments.

    "Sony doesn't have any core businesses that generate stable profits - the next thing we want to see is what is going to be the business that will drive the company.""

    So, doesn't sound like there's anything there really making any money...time to cut their losses a la Sega?
    Edited by 1 at 09/12/08 @ 10:23