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TGS: Sony confirms DualShock 3 News
PlayStation 3 News by Patrick Garratt
Sony Computer Entertainment president Kaz Hirai has announced the Dualshock 3 controller for PlayStation 3 in his keynote Tokyo Game Show speech this morning, confirming that it will include vibration features and that nine titles on the event's showfloor - including Metal Gear Solid 4 and Devil May Cry 4 - will feature full support.
"We have not made any changes to its outward appearance and design, but it does have vibration," said Hirai. The much-rumoured peripheral will launch in Japan in November this year. American and European gamers will have to wait until spring 2008.
Specific dates and pricing information will be announced "at a later date," said the Sony boss. He added that user feedback had led them to bring rumble to the PS3 pad. Vibration was famously left out of the machine's launch controller as Sony believed it was too difficult to include it.
"We have been able to overcome this difficulty," said Hirai.
The inclusion of rumble in Dualshock 3 will delight many PS3 owners and will serve to quell existing functionality differences between the Sony machine and Xbox 360.
We'll have all the rest of TGS's new throughout the day, so don't go changing.
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3william56
20/09/07 @ 05:03
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EDDS +1
Beano - it's the localisation. Takes ages to translate all that text into Euro languages you know. :/ Happy it's finally coming. A bit miffed that it's going to take so long - presume Aus will be lumped in with Europe. Oh well - Imports ahoy! Wonder if we'll get a price cut in the existing version until stocks sell out? |
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Kotaku has a list of games that will support the DS3:
http://kotaku.com/gaming/tgs07/the-list-... Strange that Sega Rally is not on the list, maybe just a matter of time.
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ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
freaks. Typical they have to put spin on it to suit them. Watch all those PS3 fanboys who previously said rumble wasn't important getting dizzy about the new pad. For my part i'm glad they have actually sorted it out as It's another small improvement that may eventually enable me to buy a ps3 (if there are ever any decent games on it and a decent price). Lack of rumble was a joke and the whole world (except ps3 fanboys) knew it. :) |
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DonnieDarko333
20/09/07 @ 07:35
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Isn't Europe and USA the people who demanded rumble anyway? and we have to wait till next spring?!
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BartonFink
20/09/07 @ 07:36
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but but but Sony you said it was unpossible to have both ... it's a miracle!!!
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BadBoyBonner
20/09/07 @ 08:03
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Players accustomed to the rumble functionality for nearly ten years were outraged when Sony dropped the feature. So has the company had second thoughts about the decision to ditch rumble?
“None whatsoever,” Harrison tells us firmly. “Not at all.” For more Harrison classics on the matter give it a Google. |
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BadBoyBonner
20/09/07 @ 08:05
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Here is my take on the matter.
SONY HAVE SHAFTED EVERY SINGLE PS3 PURCHASER They could have easily settled prior to PS3’s launch but did they? No. So you have to ask yourself the question, Why didn’t they get the house in order? ANSWER Because they most certainly did not want to. REASON Because if they wait until enough PS3’s and PS3 pads have been sold without rumble and make sure that games (like MGS 4) make extensive use of the rumble, what will happen? W**KERS That’s right, everyone who loves SONY has effectively been blatantly conned into paying off the $90.7 million dollar lawsuit Sony settled with Immersion. Now while this may make good business sense short term, I can’t help but feel that SONY are hurting those that love it the most. This on top of the high initial purchase price anyway, plus the pack with two pads isn’t seeming like such good value after all. Edit : not that it seemed good value, just that what ever value it held is now substantially worse.
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sharpfish and other 360 fanboys like you:
Isn't is funny you're talking about "backtracking" and "flipflopping". What was that Microsoft said in the past? Oh yes ... "1080p is unimportant" and "HDMI is useless" right? Wait a minute ... what was in that firmware upgrade last November? And what does the Elite have? And what are they releasing on the new upcoming Premiums? And what did 360 fanboys suddenly say? Oh yes, "Hooray, MS have listened to us and are giving us what we want". Wow, deja-vu. What else did they say? Oh, right, "No 360 game will ever need a hard-drive" (wrong) and "20GB will be enough" (wrong) and lets not forget the corker of "The 360 has an acceptable failure rate" (VERY wrong). So yeah, laugh at Sony and PS3 fanboys all you want but your beloved Microsoft and 360 fanboys aren't any better (is there such a thing as 1 fanboy being better than another? I doubt it). At least I only have to buy a new £30 controller for what Sony left out instead of a new £200+ console for what Microsoft left out (and yes, I do have a 1080p TV so those things do make a difference to me). And even then I would only be getting gimped HD-DVD playback (for which I'll need to spend another £100 - and I thought MS were all about giving me choice ... so where's my choice of a blu-ray add-on?). And then there's the problem of me using wireless ... so there's another add-on I need to buy. Now I'm not saying Sony are perfect, they've made a lot of mistakes this time round and rumble was one of them. But fanboys pointing out "mistakes" by the competition while ignoring the mistakes made by the manufacturor of their console of choice ("Every 360 has an inherent flaw and can RRoD at any time"? "Needing to buy a new console for HDMI"?) is far more amusing than anything any of the manufacturors ever do. EDIT: BadBoyBonner - I'd be interested to see your take on how, considering the above points, Microsoft haven't (in your terms) SHAFTED EVERY 360 USER. I'm sure you'll try and find some way to differentiate, it's as predictable as death and taxes.
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@mkreku
I am also a long term PC gamer, I purchased a 360 at the start of the year and the rumble on the 360 pad is bloody brilliant. It really adds to games, nothing like feeling the chainsaw at work in Gears or the sheer rattle of a static gun emplacement while the pad goes mental in your hands. For sheer visceral involvement in a game Trigger + Rumble is teh win :> |
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BadBoyBonner
20/09/07 @ 08:16
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Drpwnage.
I Agree. What about Bioshock, when Rosie or Bouncer are near feeling the footsteps? Very good use of rumble IMO. |
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BadBoyBonner
20/09/07 @ 08:18
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Scythe
You could have saved yourself £200+ and got 1080p through VGA. How "Microsoft haven't (in your terms) SHAFTED EVERY 360 USER" 1) By setting aside One billion dollars to ensure Every single Xbox 360 will be repaired for the first 3 years of it's life (have Sony agreed to do that? You think no PS3 will break in the 3 years from launch? SONY should put their money where their mouth is and offer the same, which if you belive what they say should cost em nothing shouldn't it? - I hope they do so). 2) By ensuring that both machines have had rumble and passing non of the fine on. 3)There are more 1080p 360 games FACT- and arguably the 360 scales content better when required.
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"BadBoyBonner": You could have saved yourself £200+ and got 1080p through VGA
No thanks, I prefer the better quality (both visually and aurally) that comes though HDMI. Fact is if VGA was so great Microsoft wouldn't have come out with HDMI because it would have been "useless", right? But not only have they released the Elite but they're planning to roll it out on the Premiums as well. Why is that if VGA is fine? Surely there must be a reason? If you can explain to me why, if VGA is "fine", Microsoft are now rolling out HDMI in ALL their consoles THEN you might have a point but the fact is you're just spouting stuff MS convinced you of and subsequently backtracked on. If VGA were enough we wouldn't be seeing 360's with HDMI, simple fact. And it's not a saving of £200 because ... you see ... I watch HD media as well. Which means I would have had to fork out of a HD-DVD add-on to watch that media. And I connect wirelessly to the net which means I would have had to get a wireless adaptor. All of a sudden that £200 isn't looking like such a lot any more to me. EDIT: And your "resons" are predictable and poor. L:ets see: 1 - Sony don't have to do that because ... well .. this might be difficult to comprehend as a 360 owner but the PS3 is actually RELIABLE. Of course some consoles will break, as with ANY new electronics release. But the fact is MS had a much higher than average failure rate AND tried to deny the problem for so long. You think they introduced the warranty out of the goodness of their hearts or because of the massive bad press they were starting to get? All the claims of "acceptable failure rate" and "there's nothing wrong"? Sony don't have to do that because ... you see ... there hasnt been any mass failures of PS3's. You think MS WANTED to lose a few billion on warranty claims or you think they were forced into a position where they had no choice? How soon you forget all the denials by MS of there being an preliability problems, oh they sure as hell TRIED to avoid the warranty situation. 2 - That has what to do with everthing else they left off the 360? 3 - I'd like to see the list of those games please. Currently the 360 has more UPSCALED games but very few NATIVE 1080p games - there's a difference between upscaling and native (not that PS3 has many either, off the top of my head I can thnk of Sonic, RR and NGS all poor games IMO). And considering it's been out a year longer one would bloody well HOPE it has more games (and by the law of averages more games fitting a specific criteria) as ... well ... it has a year more games (and has the 2nd and 3rd gen games coming out which is great for the 360 owners as developers have a greater handle on the hardware and are therefore puching out great quality games like Halo3 and Bioshock)
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BadBoyBonner
20/09/07 @ 08:34
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Scythe
Having witnessed the 360 with my own eyes I need enlist the help of only me to show me the difference, there isn't any to speak of, most difference people report are due to differeing contrast levels and colours on the different input. Infact you could have a go yourself, the monitor half the people on here are viewing on is going to be analogue - your telling me there would be a noticble difference in quality if I went to digital? There isn't, my monitor supports either and I can not tell the difference. You seem to contradict yourself - MS are offereing choice new 360's with HDMI (at a cost to them) that has not been passed onto the end user. MS are offering it now as at the time of the launch of the 360 the HDMI standard was still being finalised. How many TV's had a HDMI port on them when the 360 was launched? MS have added a port - my first hand experience with SONY is that over time, they GET RID of as many ports on the back as they can. |
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"I really have no idea why people make such a big deal out of a function only dildos ought to have. I absolutely hate when my controller rumbles away from me and I have to chase it all over my living room floor."
+1 But of course, if it's in, you can always turn it off. Although it's a shame the rumble will increase the weight of the controller. If they'd remove those awful triggers, the SIXAXIS would be the best controller yet IMO. |
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"No thanks, I prefer the better quality (both visually and aurally) that comes though HDMI. Fact is if VGA was so great Microsoft wouldn't have come out with HDMI because it would have been "useless", right? But not only have they released the Elite but they're planning to roll it out on the Premiums as well. Why is that if VGA is fine? Surely there must be a reason? If you can explain to me why, if VGA is "fine", Microsoft are now rolling out HDMI in ALL their consoles THEN you might have a point but the fact is you're just spouting stuff MS convinced you of and subsequently backtracked on. If VGA were enough we wouldn't be seeing 360's with HDMI, simple fact."
Well the answer is simple, a lot of people think HDMI is far superior to VGA, in most cases though it isnt. A lot of cheap TV's dont support vga and most middle range tv's wont go as high as 1080p through vga, so in those cases to get 1080p you need hdmi. And the reason they are rolling them out on all consoles now is cost, doesnt make financial sense to make one motherboard for one system and a different one for another |
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They didn't have much choice, what with the lawsuit and Microsoft's involvement in Immersion ... Ironically probably they strongly believed that rumble was going to be here to stay and so any expensive concessions would have hurt them for a long time, so they thought it was worth playing hardball, no matter what the PR costs at the time.
Anyway, glad to hear it is coming, and to a whole lot of games to boot, including a lot of games already out (like Heavenly Sword). From the looks (TGS impressions) of it in MGS4 it seems to be rather good, being able to tell from which direction the rumble is coming and such. Personally, I never cared much for rumble, but in a few games it was a nice addition, and I do think it could be great when combined with motion sensing. But I'd still have motion sensing over rumble any day. Games like Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Motorstorm, and even Super Rub-a-Dub and Flow have taught me that. Also I've noticed very, very often that nearly everyone I've had over at my place and play Motorstorm feels more comfortable with driving using the motion controls. Almost everyone gets it right away. Now hopefully we get the best of both worlds. |
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Badboybonner
”Having witnessed the 360 with my own eyes I need enlist the help of only me to show me the difference, there isn't any to speak of, most difference people report are due to differeing contrast levels and colours on the different input.” Infact you could have a go yourself, the monitor half the people on here are viewing on is going to be analogue - your telling me there would be a noticble difference in quality if I went to digital? There isn't, my monitor supports either and I can not tell the difference. ” Having witnessed both the premium and the PS3 linked to a 1080p Samsung TV many times (one of my mates has the set-up) I can certainly see the difference between the supposed VGA 1080p and HDMI. So I suppose each to their own. ”You seem to contradict yourself - MS are offereing choice new 360's with HDMI (at a cost to them) that has not been passed onto the end user. “ Where have I contradicted myself? MS give the illusion of choice. The HD-DVD AND blu-ray choice? Where’s the non-proprietary add-on for wireless and hard-drive? The only things you can buy for the 360 are MS branded. Is that choice? ”MS are offering it now as at the time of the launch of the 360 the HDMI standard was still being finalised.“ So basically you’re admitting the console was rushed and should have been delayed until they COULD have released a complete console? These aren’t supposed to be like PC’s where a new upgrade is out every year. What happens if something new comes out in 2008, will we get ANOTHER 360? ”How many TV's had a HDMI port on them when the 360 was launched? “ In the UK (which I assume you’re in) they were pushing the “HD Ready” at that stage so … a lot. Granted it was 720p not 1080p but there were still many HD ready TV’s all with HDMI ”MS have added a port - my first hand experience with SONY is that over time, they GET RID of as many ports on the back as they can.” Examples? And lets not go into how they removed ports (like the dual HDMI) before the console was even released. And talking about contradiction, lets complain when Sony remove ports but hten complain when they add rumble? Lose lose with some people ... As a closing note ... I really don't see how this has ANY impact on people like yourself who don't even own a PS3? So I really fail to see why people like you are making such a big deal about it considering that is pretty much has absolutely zero effect on you whatsoever. Why not let those who actually own a PS3 debate the pro's and con's of the return of rumble considering it's US that are affected? It's a sad state of affairs when 360 owners are so insecure they have to troll PS3 trhreads (and the PS3 fanboys who do the opposite are just as sad, they're just consoles for crying out loud, get some perspective). But as expected the usual suspects come crawling out from under the bridge whenever a Sony article is posted to spout the same old vitriol towards something that doesn't even concern or affect them. God is this what we've devolved into?
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"Well the answer is simple, a lot of people think HDMI is far superior to VGA, in most cases though it isnt. A lot of cheap TV's dont support vga and most middle range tv's wont go as high as 1080p through vga, so in those cases to get 1080p you need hdmi."
So HDMI is superior to VGA: it's actually supported widely... ;) |
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BadBoyBonner
20/09/07 @ 08:59
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Scythe
Any chance you will not copy swathes of my post and actually answer the questions I have posted? |
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Triggerhappytel
20/09/07 @ 09:00
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What I want to know is, when they paid off Immersion with $120 million, or whatever silly amount it was, rather than licence the technology out why didn't they get their R&D dept. to develop a 'Tri-Shock'?! Surely this is feasible in the decade since DualShock was pioneered...?
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BadBoyBonner
Any chance you might actually read my post and see me dealing with your individual points which have been put in quote tags with my answers after each quote? Apparenty not. Someone should have gone to specsavers. Les - I think you have a good point and shall tkae your advice. Over and out.
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BadBoyBonner
20/09/07 @ 09:01
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Scythe
And in answer to your reply of early HD TV's coming with HDMI they most certainly did not. They had DVi - which was out long before HDMI, |
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manic_mouse
20/09/07 @ 09:03
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So is Harisson happy to admit he was lying through his teeth now? Of course EG will never ask him this, as they lick his ass every time they get an interview.
"rumble and motion sensing can't be done" "rumble is last gen" "nobody wants rumble" Wanker.
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Does anyone know why Sony aren't launching the new controller worldwide simultaneously? I thought Burnout Paradise on the PS3 supported rumble and isn't that out in December, and even if it isn't, won't rumble work with those backward compatible PS2 games anyway?
Does it really take Sony months to translate the manual that comes with the controller into English and other European languages? /rolls eyes |
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BadBoyBonner
20/09/07 @ 09:10
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Scythe
I tell you what I will write them out, as you seem to be ignoring the more difficult issues. Thus allowing you to copy it and post in between at your leisure . Questions 1) “So has the company had second thoughts about the decision to ditch rumble?” “None whatsoever,” Harrison tells us firmly. “Not at all.” Do you think he was telling PS3 user’s the truth? 2) Why didn’t SONY get the house in order? (which means settle the suit before the PS3 was released). 3) Do you think SONY have waited to effectively have PS3 user foot the legal bill and settlement charge? If not please explain why not. 4) DO you think the PS3 should have had rumble from the start? If not why not? 5) Are PS3’s guaranteed for three years? If not and the failure rate is as low as they say why are they not offering a 3 year guarantee? 6) Would you agree that the only fair way to circumnavigate the feeling that SONY have conned all PS3 users thus far out of functionality, is to allow a free exchange to ALL PS3 pads that do not have rumble? If not why not? |
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"Does it really take Sony months to translate the manual that comes with the controller into English and other European languages? /rolls eyes"
Beats me. Might have something to do with available production capacity or logistics. Or maybe stock levels of the old controller. Or product certification. Don't know whether that's still country-by-country in the EU nowadays? |
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