Sony is "out of touch", says Microsoft

By Ellie Gibson Published 21 January, 2009

Reckons PS3 will never catch up.

Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg has responded to claims by Kaz Hirai that Sony is the best, telling the Sony Computer Entertainment boss that it is in fact Microsoft who is the best.

Yesterday, you may recall, Hirai declared that Sony is the "official" industry leader. Even though they haven't sold as many consoles as Nintendo (who is not a competitor because they make machines for playing videogames on, not machines for playing videogames and other things like films on). Or Microsoft. And didn't sell as many last week and aren't this week and let's face it probably won't next week.

"This sounds like an old hardware company that's comfortable with its market position," Greenberg told The Bitbag.

"That complacent attitude is out of touch with where the industry and consumer is today."

He continued, "This generation won't be won over just hardware specs, but who can out-innovate when it comes to online and software. This is the kind of stuff that's in our DNA, and frankly moves the console war onto our home court."

Unlike Hirai, fuddy-duddy Greenberg likes to use the traditional method of measuring how successful a videogames machine company is by counting the number of videogames machines it has sold. And according to his crazy old fashioned standards, Microsoft is winning.

"I'm confident we will outsell the PS3 throughout the entire generation by providing more innovation and building the best and broadest games library while growing our entertainment experiences on the leading online network," he stated.

"With a US install base lead now of more than 7 million units (according to NPD), I can't imagine any scenario where the PS3 can catch up with us. In fact, even if you doubled the current PS3 sales and Xbox 360 remained flat, they couldn't close the gap until 2014."

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  • Pedrolot #1 3 years ago

    I think you will beleive that the Wii is out of touch! But in the opposite way!

  • jonthepymm #2 3 years ago

    So which do you prefer: delusional Sony or arrogant Microsoft?

  • mcmonkeyplc #3 3 years ago

    Oh shut up you tarts.

  • DDevil #4 3 years ago

    Handbags at dawn!

  • DrRobotnik #5 3 years ago

    At least Microsoft are using actual statistics to prove their points, rather than Sony, who think that "the PS£ is better for developers because it's harder to code for", and "even though we're losing the console war, we're still leading it" are even remotely normal sentences.

    I don't blame Microsoft for wanting to refute idiotic statements.

  • Physically_Insane #6 3 years ago

    Every day. The same piece of news. "Microsoft man says Sony are crap!" I really couldn't care less.

  • xakmad #7 3 years ago

    we need Hirai to come back with "no, we really are the best" just before they take him to a padded cell

  • Tonka #8 3 years ago

    Your out of touch!

  • mcwildcard #9 3 years ago

    Sony: "Early numbers show that our Dad is best in the EU and Asian territories, plus our Dad has improved in the US and is fast catching up with MS's Dad."

    MS: "Sony's Dad is out of touch and wear his trousers too high, our Dad is in fact best overall, having a higher rate of bestness on average across all territories."

    Nintendo: "Being largely ignored, our Dad is in fact the best by far."

    Sony: "Nintendo's Dad is a one-trick-pony and loses interest after the first month or so, our Dad can entertain across all media and so is better, as he is more versatile."

    MS: "The key thing of parenting is communication and our Dad is more adept than any other at helping people communicate with each other, therefore, our Dad is clearly the best."

    Nintendo: "Our Dad looks good in an Ikea-esque living room."

  • homerramone #10 3 years ago

    My dads bigger than your dad !

    :-)

  • Domovoi #11 3 years ago

    Rather than refuting Hirai's comments with actual statistics and sales, I would've preferred it if Greenberg just responded to Kaz Hirai's claims with wild, relentless laughter.

  • j1m.ch053n #12 3 years ago

    it looks like none of the three will be able to handle star wars: the old republic and thats the real shame

  • DrRobotnik #13 3 years ago

    Domovoi, I agree with that completely.

    I suppose he didn't want to humiliate him though... poor Kaz.

  • patchbox360 #14 3 years ago

    killzone2 and god of war 3 may prove that ps3 is superior in hardware capacity, if that happens sony will have a console with the greatest potential coupled with blue-ray and a half decent back catalogue of games, so they could easily catch up.

  • Kryon #15 3 years ago

    I actually think MS should have stayed quiet tbh. There is nothing more they could do to further the total embarrassment of Sony after Kaz' little ...outburst...

  • DFawkes #16 3 years ago

    Less dickish than Harai, but that's not hard.

  • kestral #17 3 years ago

    Maybe an option to ignore news articles that are tagged both sony and microsoft would be in order.

  • Bilbo_bobbins #18 3 years ago

    it's all rubbish. Whats the point? Microsoft are out of touch if you think about it. With a machine not matching the PS3 technology, and having to pay more for upgrades. What fantastic innovation have M$ come up with recently??? Sony, Home to start with. Plus they have some BIG games coming out this year. What do M$ have? None.

  • penhalion #19 3 years ago

    Enough already. The dignified thing for Microsoft to do would have been to ignore Sony all together and let their games portfolio do the talking. Heck Microsofts entire statement should just have been a set of NPD numbers with the catch phrase "Nuff said" beside it :)

  • Vistrix #20 3 years ago

    People are missing the point. Both Microsoft and Sony are making sense.

    Microsoft keep talking about the now, Sony keep talking about the future.

    Microsoft WILL continue to be ahead of Sony for years to come. Sony WILL overtake Microsoft in sales with their long term strategy.

  • Xerx3s #21 3 years ago

    /picard

  • coolbritannia #22 3 years ago

    @ Bilbo, Home's innovative? Second Life may have something to say about that.

    Unlike Hirai, fuddy-duddy Greenberg likes to use the traditional method of measuring how successful a videogames machine company is by counting the number of videogames machines it has sold. And according to his crazy old fashioned standards, Microsoft is winning. That Ellie can be a funny lady, I lol'd.

  • Xerx3s #23 3 years ago

    Vistrix, you say it as if it is a fact.

  • udat #24 3 years ago

    You must die! I alone am best!

  • mcwildcard #25 3 years ago

    Putting aside the bickering for a moment, it does appear Sony are trying to drive the industry forward by taking chances on some of it's games, Flower is the latest in an impressive list of games that can only really be deemed experimental. This is an area that MS seem to be failing in, they seem to be sticking with the 'safe' options all too often with their games and although it's reaping benefits now, when the FPS market goes stagnant (and it will eventually) their options aren't nearly as wide as Sony's. Maybe Sony won't catch up this gen, but in terms of gaming, I think they're sowing the seeds for the future of the industry, which will give them a real head start in the next gen, especially if they learn from their mistakes.

  • Thunderbolt #26 3 years ago

    I think Sony should change their slogon to - 'This will be living' circa 2012

  • PearOfAnguish #27 3 years ago

    "Sony WILL overtake Microsoft in sales with their long term strategy."

    You're assuming that someone is going to give a flying fuck about the PS3 in 2014. I can see it now: It's 2014. You visit EG. On the left side of the page a review of Halo 6 or FIFA 2015 on the Xbox 720, and on the right a news article from Sony announcing that PS3 sales have overtaken the Xbox 360. This bullshit about a 'long term strategy' is going to go right out the window the moment Nintendo or MS announce their next consoles.

    "My dads bigger than your dad !"

    Your Dads what is bigger?
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 11:25

  • Kryon #28 3 years ago

    @mcwildcard

    Yawn...

    Yes, because as everybody knows the 360 only has FPS available on it, sorry mate, but at present the 360 has the best and most varied catalogue of titles out of the three 'next gen' systems. Some flower screensaver and a borked version of Second Life really aren't going to change that...

  • jaluuk #29 3 years ago

    @Thunderbolt!

    This is living...in a dream world
    This is living...in Marketing's arse
    This is living...in a padded cell
    This is living...with the effects of too much sushi

    and why not...

    This is living...off of Hideo Kojima

  • interceptor #30 3 years ago

    You read it here first

    2014 will be the Year of the PS3

  • Mr_Brown #31 3 years ago

    To me, this statement is true.

    Sony: "We do not need to drop the priceof the PS3 this year in order for it to sell"

    Me: "Sony must drop the price of the PS3 before I purchase it"

    Thats out of touch of my needs at least.

  • Fab4 #32 3 years ago

    They should just have a 'piss up the wall' contest and be done with it.

  • smoothn00dle #33 3 years ago

    u are crazy! No, you are crazy!!

    Who the fuck is crazier??

  • adamamosa #34 3 years ago

    lets all be honest here . . . . .we like the bickering between these rivals i think its great to see these companies battle it out. and its us, the consumer, who is the eventual winner. personally, i have both consoles and they are both awesome. while i still play the 360 more at the moment, im happy to say i have no idea which machine i will be investing more hours into this time next year.

    i say we should enjoy this war. and all this opponent bashing is great entertainment

  • TopKatt #35 3 years ago

    "Unlike Hirai, fuddy-duddy Greenberg likes to use the traditional method of measuring how successful a videogames machine company is by counting the number of videogames machines it has sold. And according to his crazy old fashioned standards, Microsoft is winning."

    Funny that, I could have sworn Nintendo were winning.
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 11:39

  • NotSoSlim #36 3 years ago

    This is so boring...still find it funny that MS always retreat to the lead in the US to validate any arugument. That 7m lead could be wiped out in Japan alone this year if Sony play there cards right with price drops and releasing certain games.

    Both consoles are selling well but not better than the Wii

  • Skooch #37 3 years ago

    Kaz's statement was so idiotic that MS should have just left it at that - the guy talked himself into a corner.

    Still, Sony's optimism is charming if ill-founded.

  • ratkat #38 3 years ago

    Microsoft have only sold double because half of those built have died from the RROD

  • mcwildcard #39 3 years ago

    @Kryon; "Yes, because as everybody knows the 360 only has FPS available on it"

    I'm sorry, where did I say that?
    Your comment about Flower undermines your standing, the game is clearly something very different and you can't comprehend it, so you resort to calling it a 'screen saver'. Go back to shooting aliens and let those of us who are a bit more open-minded enjoy experiencing something new in peace.

  • DrRobotnik #40 3 years ago

    "Microsoft have only sold double because half of those built have died from the RROD "

    No, replacements don't count as sales.

    It doesn't matter which way you spin it, Sony are playing catch-up.

  • andywilkie35 #41 3 years ago

    Only thing that I'll say is that this article is in complete contrast to the one yesterday.

    I.e. this bloke is talking actual sense. Sony bloke was talking absolute arse.

  • youhavenomail #42 3 years ago

    Innovation is in Microsoft's DNA. Just in case you missed that over the past couple of years where they've desperately been attempting to get some of Nintendo and Sony's pie with lacklustre imitations of their competitors products. 'We'll do what Nintendo and Sony are doing but cheaper and worse' is Microsoft's mantra.

  • DrRobotnik #43 3 years ago

    "We'll do what Nintendo and Sony are doing but cheaper and worse' is Microsoft's mantra"

    Well, it's working...

  • ps3owner #44 3 years ago

    Planet Microsoft: We will prevail, no matter what it costs...
    Planet Sony: We are winning in our world... fuck the rest.
    Planet Nintendo: We have to buy another planet, we've got no space left for the money. sorry, what's that sony and MS?

  • Les #45 3 years ago

    LOL

  • coolbritannia #46 3 years ago

    @youhavenomail, 'lacklustre imitations of their competitors products.' - not like sixaxis then?

  • JohnnyWashnGo #47 3 years ago

    Sony haven't been 'in touch' since the late eighties. They thought LCD panel TVs were not going to take off, didn't invest in them until too late and got stuck buying panels from Samsung, then bulding a joint manufacturing plant with them.

    Saying that Microsoft have never been in touch with the consumer.

  • Les #48 3 years ago

    ""With a US install base lead now of more than 7 million units (according to NPD), I can't imagine any scenario where the PS3 can catch up with us. In fact, even if you doubled the current PS3 sales and Xbox 360 remained flat, they couldn't close the gap until 2014.""

    He did not seriously say this did he? Around 90% of the people on my ignore list could have said this kind of bullshit... But then again, that's the audience he's probably preaching to.

  • phatb0y #49 3 years ago

    Next article...

    Kaz says 'no u r'

  • Les #50 3 years ago

    "@youhavenomail, 'lacklustre imitations of their competitors products.' - not like sixaxis then? "

    I love this type of "but, but, they do it too" kind of defenses... Anyone that really believes the "Yes we can" mantra clearly never pays attention to the internet...

  • ThePissartist #51 3 years ago

    "Sony: "We do not need to drop the priceof the PS3 this year in order for it to sell"

    Me: "Sony must drop the price of the PS3 before I purchase it" "

    +1

    Although I will have lost interest by this time next year.

  • coolbritannia #52 3 years ago

    Kaz and Greenberg should be guest stars on Arby and the Chief. I'd buy that for a dollar.

  • coolbritannia #53 3 years ago

    Aah Les, you misunderestimate me. I just like pointing out irony, I don't feel the need to defend the 360. It RROD's, it doesn't have graphics as good as Killzone 2, it has no Blu-Ray, it isn't much of a multimedia hub, etc etc.

    I don't care what anyone thinks of the 360, as long as I'm happy with it and the games keep coming, I'm good.

  • mcwildcard #54 3 years ago

    @DrRobotnik: "No, replacements don't count as sales."

    This has never been verified either way.
    Either way, I still know an awful lot of people who have resorted to buying a new 360 because they were sick of waiting for MS to return their fixed RROD one. Also, MS only extended the warranty period for RRODs, yet we all know there are a lot of other widespread issues that they refuse to fix, so again, people will have to resort to buying a new system.

    I'm not suggesting that this would make a huge difference in the sales figures, but I think it's still significant enough to be considered as a factor.

  • Kryon #55 3 years ago

    @mcwildcard

    "I'm sorry, where did I say that? "

    You don't have to say something word for word to strongly imply it. I have no time for your nonsense anyway, so I'll leave it there.

  • Les #56 3 years ago

    "No, replacements don't count as sales."

    Refurbishments don't count as sales and they're much more numerous than actual replacements. Replacements shouldn't count as sales either, but they are part of the number of consoles shipped out, which are the numbers that are always reported.

  • mcwildcard #57 3 years ago

    @coolbritannia: "I don't care what anyone thinks of the 360, as long as I'm happy with it and the games keep coming, I'm good."

    Bravo, I feel the same about my PS3, I know its shortcomings and I know it's strengths, but as long as I'm happy with it, nothing else matters.
    At the end of the day, as long as the systems are selling enough to keep the devs interested, then it doesn't matter who's sold more.
    This is a golden era in gaming, I've never been so spoilt for choice and I've been around since the days of the BBC B Microcomputer!
    I wish people would sit back and just appreciate how great things are as a whole are now, instead of trying to stage another 'console war'.
    It's just so pointless.

  • mcwildcard #58 3 years ago

    @Kryon: "You don't have to say something word for word to strongly imply it. I have no time for your nonsense anyway, so I'll leave it there."

    I didn't say it because I didn't mean it, if you feel the need to read too much into it then that's your lookout.

  • pommak #59 3 years ago

    Can't. Handle. Propaganda. No. More.

  • IneptPercy #60 3 years ago

    People who bought another 360 because they couldn't wait for a replacement? did anyone actually do this?

    My 360 went down, filled a form in online, within 2 weeks it was back. I found enough to keep me entertained in the 2 weeks, didn't have this urge to go and buy another at any point.

  • Kryon #61 3 years ago

    @mcwildcard

    Oh dear, OK, Please do explain why the 360 would be in any more trouble than the PS3 if/when the FPS genre becomes redundant as you believe it will? Both systems rely heavily on sales from said genre. There is no reason to associate FPS with the 360 more than with the PS3, what's the most anticipated PS3 game at the moment? KZ2, you say? What was the last one? Resistance 2, you say?

    And as I said before, the 360s catalogue is more varied than the PS3s, more JRPGs, more fighters, more quirky titles, the list goes on, so I have no idea what you were trying to get at with your original post.

  • Thunderbolt #62 3 years ago

    'My 360 went down, filled a form in online, within 2 weeks it was back. I found enough to keep me entertained in the 2 weeks, didn't have this urge to go and buy another at any point.'

    Too true - I was in a similar position suddenly I found I had all this time on my hands and went on to have a life for 2 weeks. But then my lovely came back and I was sucked right back in.

  • mcwildcard #63 3 years ago

    @IneptPercy: "People who bought another 360 because they couldn't wait for a replacement? did anyone actually do this?"

    Three of my mates resorted to this after about 6 weeks of waiting, the MS turnaround on refurbs/repairs can be pretty inconsistent at times.

  • BartonFink #64 3 years ago

    Greenberg should STFU too.

    Still made far more sense and was actually based on facts unlike the crazy ramblings of Kaz.

    Oh and a massive LOL must be sent out to Les. Entertaining as usual.

  • stepneg #65 3 years ago

    "People who bought another 360 because they couldn't wait for a replacement? did anyone actually do this?"

    I did, but then I wanted another 360 to save lugging my existing one up stairs all the time. If the PS3 was more reasonably priced I would have bought one instead of the second 360 but couldn't justify it.

    Edit: Should add that mine only took a week to come back after sending it, and no one else I know has waited more than 2 weeks.
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 12:33

  • Chufty #66 3 years ago

    Why is EG full of these bullshit non-stories so far this year? Someone said something about their competitor, omgz!?!

    I hope this isn't a sign of things to come.

  • BartonFink #67 3 years ago

    Where have you been Chufty it's been this way for years.

    Les et. al. keep it entertaining though.

  • Les #68 3 years ago

    "Oh and a massive LOL must be sent out to Les. Entertaining as usual."

    I honestly doubt you posses the intellectual capabilities to appreciate my comments on a conscious level but as long as they make you LOL or ROFL I'm happy... ;)

  • mcwildcard #69 3 years ago

    @Kryon

    Of course both systems are churning out FPS games atm, they're the big sellers currently, it would be foolish to ignore that particular cash cow.
    What I'm talking about is innovative stuff, like Pixeljunk Eden, Noby Noby Boy, Flower, Echochrome and even the scene demo-esque Linger in Shadows.
    Historically you've got stuff like Loco Rocco, Ico, Shadow of the Collossus or Katamari, which really didn't fit into any genre, but are widely regarded as essential purchases for any true gamer.
    I'm not saying MS don't have innovation going on, but it seems to me Sony are much more daring in that area, Linger in Shadows is probably the best example of that.
    So if the main gaming markets go sour, Sony is in a better position to give the consumer something a little bit different.

  • BartonFink #70 3 years ago

    Yes Les you are soooo clever.

  • Kryon #71 3 years ago

    @mcwildcard

    OK, well, atleast you give a considered reply, I can't say I agree with you though, The truth of the matter is, if the traditional gaming markets do go sour, MS will just pay out to buy in whatever the next big craze is, just as they are buying out most of Sonys important exclusives at present.

  • DuTraveller #72 3 years ago

    stop arguing and go have some lunch

  • Progguitarist #73 3 years ago

    I have both machines and they are awesome.

    I WIN!

  • mcwildcard #74 3 years ago

    @Kryon: "OK, well, atleast you give a considered reply, I can't say I agree with you though, The truth of the matter is, if the traditional gaming markets do go sour, MS will just pay out to buy in whatever the next big craze is, just as they are buying out most of Sonys important exclusives at present."

    Fair point, but MS have spent a LOT of cash to get their current foothold in the market. I think they'll be more reluctant to fork out even more cash in the next gen, when they're supposed to be reaping the rewards from the investment in this current gen, especially considering the current state of economic flux.
    That aside, Sony will already have those options in place, so even if MS do buy into the new markets, it'll take a bit of time to get a new foothold, during which time Sony can try to get their nose in front.

    There's plenty of variables though, so nothing is certain, but it's interesting to see the two compete in the meantime, although I find the trash talking on both sides extremely tiresome.

  • dryden555 #75 3 years ago



    It is amusing that they are fighting over 2nd and 3rd place!

    Kinda pointless with Wii sales towering over both.

  • Les #76 3 years ago

    "Yes Les you are soooo clever."

    Yeah, I am. Though can't really take much credit for it as my genes did most of the work. :)

  • Kryon #77 3 years ago

    I have both machines aswell, Many of the people here are on my PSN & XBL friends lists, The PS3 just isn't what I would consider 'awesome' though, I think it's the biggest let down since the Atari Jaguar personally, but that's just me.

  • slayaz #78 3 years ago

    The fact Sony are losing money hand over fist at the moment must make them feel very nervous and feel the need to try and big themselves up at any opportunity. But as usual with Sony, their PR is slightly skewed.

    So when MS have some hard fact, you can't blame them for spouting them.

  • Kryon #79 3 years ago

    @mcwildcard

    The thing is, the traditional gaming scene really isn't going to go sour (for the foreseeable future anyway) so most of what we are talking about is irrelevant, but another thing that MS have on their side over Sony is XNA, I know there's not much of worth on there just yet but I'm sure this will change given time, I believe this *could* be a source of many fresh and innovative ideas, we'll see.

  • muscleblade #80 3 years ago

    "I have both machines aswell, Many of the people here are on my PSN & XBL friends lists, The PS3 just isn't what I would consider 'awesome' though, I think it's the biggest let down since the Atari Jaguar personally, but that's just me. "

    Thats not just you. I would rather have a new 360 elite next to my old release one than a PS3 collecting dust. So i traded it in for a 360 elite.

  • muscleblade #81 3 years ago

    "People who bought another 360 because they couldn't wait for a replacement? did anyone actually do this?"

    Not exactly but that was when i decided to trade in my PS3. Only a 360 owner would understand this i guess. I really didnt want to wait and it was a busy period with a lot of good 360 games and nothing special on the PS3.

  • mcwildcard #82 3 years ago

    My PS3 is easily the best investment I ever made, I use it for everything media related, including telly thanks to PlayTv.
    I was happy to pay £399 for it at the time and I still feel it was worth the cash for all I've gotten out of it, it's my most used purchase ever.
    Obviously, that's just me, different people have different needs, but from my perspective, it's surpassed what I expected from it by a pretty huge margin.
    Different strokes for different folks and all that.

    @Dryden: "It is amusing that they are fighting over 2nd and 3rd place! Kinda pointless with Wii sales towering over both."

    Imo Wii simply isn't part of the equation, it's a cheap (I'm aware 360s are cheaper now), gimmicky, low tech machine aimed at an entirely different market, which is why it's so successful. The unit sales are only the tip of the iceberg as well, I can't begin to imagine how much they've made on peripheral sales.
    I personally don't see it as a gaming console, it's more of a lifestyle toy, if that makes sense?

  • Nylz #83 3 years ago

    @DDevil: "Handbags at dawn!"

    Touché!

  • schnide #84 3 years ago

    "Even if 360 sales remained flat.."

    Is that an admission of something there?

  • Doctor_What #85 3 years ago

    @Mcwildcard and Coolbritannia: thanks for making sensible points among the other nonsense on here.

    This kind of talk is just fanboy bait. We all know the basics:

    360 has sold more in most territories, but is less reliable and a lot more noisy than the PS3 (even with HDD installed games), only really good for games, lacks really good girlfriend friendly games (such as SingStar - yes folks, Lips isn't as good)
    PS3 has sold less in most territories, is harder to code for, is very good as a media hub, and has a wider range of esoteric, arty, and girlfriend friendly games
    Wii pisses over both in terms of sales but has a very serious lack of stellar titles in its catalogue.

    After that, it's all down to personal preference. I love the media hub, quietness, and social games of the PS3, but some of 360 exclusives are great (Fable 2 springs to mind). I prefer the PS3, but I know that many people on here couldn't give two hoots about media hub facilities and SingStar, so I completely understand them preferring the 360.

    People like Kaz and Greenburg really should let their machines do the talking. I think the PS3 is better for a house full of adults with different tastes and the 360 is better for a personal gaming machine. Why can't they play to their strengths rather than feeling the need to constantly insult the work of their rivals?

  • Dan234 #86 3 years ago

    Yet again. The Wii has been forgotten about. The invisible console.

    This is the titanic clash over second place, where we measure success by the word count in press releases. When this generation is over who will remember the Wii? Hardware sales? Software sales? Profit? You must be some kind of a lunatic. It's press releases, I tell you.

  • marty_k #87 3 years ago

    Most guys who can afford PS3 have limited amount of time which they can spend on gaming/entertainment, and are buying PS3s because of exclusives and BR. They remember PS2 and its games, plus BR is a good feature, provided they have HDTVs. Online is not THAT important because they usually suck at games (and don't have enough time to develop their leet skillz). Most multi platform titles suck anyway, and few ones that are good enough don't look THAT bad on PS3.

    360 wins with its on-line functionality, better multi platform games and price. Cheaper always sells better, and some people just want to play FIFAs and Need for Speeds. Microsoft is doing exceptionally well with new features and developers formerly exclusive to PlayStation brand.

    I'm lucky enough to have the best of two worlds but if I had to choose one system, I think I would go with PS3. Why? I can live without Fable, Gears, Project Gotham and Forza but cannot imagine not playing MGS4, Ratchet, God of War or LPB with my girlfriend. BR quality is damn good as well. That makes PS3 an all-around system and suits me better.

    After price drop and with proper games Sony's sales can go up drastically while Microsoft won't be selling much more than now. I believe that PlayStation will gain its momentum and eventually outsell 360. However, next generation might be in Microsoft's favour - they definitely know what makes a great console, just can't make it happen overnight.

    Looking forward to learn your opinions ;-)

  • mcwildcard #88 3 years ago

    @Kryon: "The thing is, the traditional gaming scene really isn't going to go sour (for the foreseeable future anyway) so most of what we are talking about is irrelevant, but another thing that MS have on their side over Sony is XNA, I know there's not much of worth on there just yet but I'm sure this will change given time, I believe this *could* be a source of many fresh and innovative ideas, we'll see."

    I dunno, I'm getting a little bit of FPS fatigue, but it's making me further appreciate the diversity on offer atm, Mirror's Edge and LBP are both giving me a nice breather. I keep going to put Resistance 2 in the machine, then somehow one of those two ends up in there instead!
    XNA does look interesting, but it depends on how well it gets taken up, Sony have the benefit of years of Asian domination to fuel their innovation. Of course for every amazing Japanese diamond (Katamari for example), you get 1,000 'Super Crazy Pachinko Happy Fun Time' type games, but for some reason the Japanese market laps that shit up, so it encourages them to continue to think of more bizarre stuff, because even if they fail to make a good game out of an idea it'll probably still sell well enough to keep them going.
    Maybe XNA could turn out to be a globalised version of that, only time will tell really.

  • DaveBassant #89 3 years ago

    Curse this world we live in, if only there was a multi-million consumer base from which three companys could all enter and all make a killing... and a variety of customers all of whom have varied tastes/preferences/desires, then a competetive market which leans towards different areas could appeal to everyone... oh wait

    how the hell does the motor industry survive?? There's more than three companies involved!!

  • NorfolkNClue #90 3 years ago

    Microsoft and Sony should merge. Get rid of idiots like Greenberg and Hirai and keep the obviously large raft of clever blokes that each company employs.

  • Les #91 3 years ago

    "Most guys who can afford PS3 have limited amount of time which they can spend on gaming/entertainment, and are buying PS3s because of exclusives and BR."

    I got mine only because it's region free. Otherwise, the Wii would have been the only current gen console in the household and it wouldn't even have been mine. Different people get the same stuff for different reasons. But the fact is, from Sony's POV not enough people are getting a PS3. From my POV too few developers are putting effort into creating something new. But I'm sure lots of you will disagree, which you are entitled to. ;)

  • marty_k #92 3 years ago

    Les: Good points, Sir. Haven't thought about PS3 as a region-free system ;-)

  • muscleblade #93 3 years ago

    I can afford two 360s so i can afford a PS3 (i actually bought one you know). I just dont want that ugly thing next to my sexy Elite. I have a very good looking Blueray player instead. Thats having the best of both worlds imo.

  • NorfolkNClue #94 3 years ago

    I don't play online anymore with the 360 and PS3. My PC gets all that honour. I got so heartily sick of the piercingly high little boy voices swearing their tits off and telling me things like 'Your mom has a dick' etc.

  • marty_k #95 3 years ago

    Yes, that's a solution as well. Your favourite games on 360?

  • sneetch #96 3 years ago

    jonthepymm
    21-Jan-09 11:01:13

    So which do you prefer: delusional Sony or arrogant Microsoft?

    Arrogant? How was that arrogant? More importantly how was that any more arrogant than Hirai who claimed yesterday that Sony was the "official" leader of the console market because, well basically because they really want to be the leader?

    You sure it's not just your negative preconceptions of all things Microsoft?

  • Spekingur #97 3 years ago

    PS3 hardware is not vastly superior to the X360 in power output terms. We all like to believe that the PS3 hardware is made by high-tech androids and each circuit board is inspected by men is expensive suits - funnily enough, it isn't. The hardware might be more reliable than older X360 hardware but more powerful? Only slightly. And slightly is not going to give you an edge unless you know how to tap into it - after reading Kaz's oh so illogical proclaimations I doubt that anyone will be able to do so in 2009.

    You are not paying more for upgrades, additional accessories are optional. On both systems.

    God of War 3 will move PS3 consoles.

    MS relies on third party games, and as with 2008 we should expect alot more game release announcements the closer we get to summertime.

    With the NXE, MS has given anyone willing and wanting the chance to make their own games and release on the X360 - as a Community Game (using XNA). That's where most of the innovation will come from.

    However, as some others have pointed out before me, I use my consoles to play games on. I don't use them as media hubs, there is better equipment for that. And as long as there are good games I want to play, for the consoles I own, then I'll be happy.
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 14:34

  • NorfolkNClue #98 3 years ago

    @Marty_K - if that was a question at me; Burnout:revenge, CoD4. They got the longest play, without question. It was particularly bad on CoD4.

  • Les #99 3 years ago

    "PS3 hardware is not vastly superior to the X360 in power output terms."

    Wrong. Its CPU is about twice as powerful in raw processing power. Whether that's relevant when all PS3/360 games are assessed on is graphics is another story.

  • BillyBrush #100 3 years ago

    Good week for quotage so far....

    now all that's needed is a response from Reggie involving taking names, kicking ass, and chewing bubblegum....or something

  • DrRobotnik #101 3 years ago

    "Wrong. Its CPU is about twice as powerful in raw processing power."

    That statement is wildly off-kilter. The guy who effectively designed both chips recently admitted that the difference in power between the two consoles is negligible - mainly because despite the PS£'s processing power, its architecture renders some of the 'raw power' redundant.

    the fact is, if it was twice as powerful the ports wouldn't be so shabby. If 3 years into the console's lifecycle it's still trying to outdo its less-powerful competitor, then something isn't quite right.

    And yes, I'm fully willing to admit that despite not setting my world on fire, Killzone 2 looks like it could be the first game to truly prove that 'raw' power...

  • Machiavellian #102 3 years ago

    I think the key here is that Money talks and everything walks. You would believe that Sony would have understood this from the Beta days. The 360 gives you what the PS3 can do game wise at a cheaper price. All the extras mean nothing if the primary function of the device can be matched by your competitor at a cheaper price. The 360 now is at a mass market price point and no matter how people demean the arcade, the fact is that the system is bought to play games. It matters not if the arcade sells more than the pro or elite, it matters not if the arcade doesn't have all the features of the PS3. The facts are that the arcade does it primary function and at a much cheaper price then the PS3 which means it will continue to be a great seller for MS. The fact that MS has a large selection of quality games at a cheaper price will always be a big seller. This is the reason the PS2 continue to sell to this day and will be the case for the 360.

    When all is said and done, people will get the cheaper system that gives them the same amount of fun for less. You only have to look at the Wii, VHS and a host of other products. List wars and spec comparisons mean nothing to the mass market and thus you can believe that Sony will not see any sales over the 360 any time soon. Yes there will be spikes when KZ2, GT or GOW come out but spikes they will remain. I throughly enjoy my PS3 but in the end, it really doesn't matter to me if it first, second or third place as far as sells go. As long as the system sells enough to ensure good games come to the system, thats all I need.

  • Rich72 #103 3 years ago

    "I keep going to put Resistance 2 in the machine, then somehow one of those two ends up in there instead!"


    that will be because RFOM2 is a pile of stinking turd. played it through once and that was too much.

  • Mr-Bozzey #104 3 years ago

    i belive this is film 5 of my francise for g. luca

    in a far far away game web site there was .....

    CONSOLE WARS V - XBOTS STRIKE BACK !!

    NAAAH NAAA NANANANA NAAAAAAA NANANANAAAAAAAAAAA NA NANANA NAAAAAAAA !!!!

    this film focuses on greenburg fighting back against sony with his microsoft empire crushing them at the battle of america and a shocking end when hirai and greenburg meet in a epic dual at a local GAME store and greenburg reveals to a injured but not yet dead hirai that he is infact hiarai's actual father !!

    DUN DUN DUUUUUUN !!
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 15:19

  • bdc #105 3 years ago

    MINE IS BETTER

    NOO FUCK YOU MINE IS

    AHAHA NOO GET REAL MINE IS

  • Sunyavadin #106 3 years ago

    Is EVERYONE in this industry a twat?

  • DrRobotnik #107 3 years ago

    "Is EVERYONE in this industry a twat? "

    Computer says yes...

  • Thunderbolt #108 3 years ago

    evil,

    you forgot to put an $ on ms to get the full effect ;)

  • Les #109 3 years ago

    "the fact is, if it was twice as powerful the ports wouldn't be so shabby."

    That's bullshit. Trying and failing to make a machine do something that it isn't optimised to do (generating lots of pretty pixels in the case of the PS3 vs. 360 debate) as well as a machine that is optimised for the task doesn't prove much. That's like saying a swimmer should use his much more powerful arms to compensate for his weaker legs in a race with a runner on land.

    IMO trying to be like the 360 is a waste of the PS3's potential. But that's Sony's fault as they haven't shown what that power might actually be good for (yet?) aside from DVD upscaling.

  • superdynamite #110 3 years ago

    Greenberg:
    "With a U.S. install base lead now of more than 7 million units (according to NPD), I can’t imagine any scenario where the PS3 can catch up with us. In fact, even if you doubled the current PS3 sales and Xbox 360 remained flat, they couldn’t close the gap until 2014.".
    I think the Microsoft propaganda machine went a little haywire this time. Greenberg has somehow calculated , in that little wanna-be Harvard business school mind of his, that Sony PS3 will only sell another 7 million units through 2014.

    Since PS3 is only 7 million units behind XBox360, this is a little hard to believe.
    Sorry Mr. Greenberg, try again.

  • DrRobotnik #111 3 years ago

    Just to remind ourselves why we're posting so much on this thread - Sony's 'quotes of the decade' - All in one interview too... Genius.


    "This is not meant in terms of numbers, or who's got the biggest install base, or who's selling most in any particular week or month, but I'd like to think that we continue official leadership in this industry,"

    "We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?"

    "So it's a kind of - I wouldn't say a double-edged sword - but it's hard to program for, and a lot of people see the negatives of it, but if you flip that around, it means the hardware has a lot more to offer,"

    "We want to expand the demographics from just a videogaming audience to something that's a little bit more massive,"


  • man.the.king #112 3 years ago

    Until yesterday, I was thinking the Microsoft tools on this website were by-and-large correct in slamming Gasbag-Hirai's crap.

    Then Microsoft's statement happened, and the same tools are praising Greenberg. So much for honest opinion. As far as I can see, all idiots like Kryon, Calgon and the like are offering as their opinions are nothing more than self-ego-boosters to feel good about their psychological investment in the 360 and everything to do with it, including it's games, gamerpoints, etc.

    Actually, something similar goes for "journalists" like Ellie as well. So much for reporting news impartially. As far as I can see, if something comes from MS, as far as the majority at Eurogamer are concerned, including most (not all) of it's so-called "journalists" and "reviewers", even it's shit smells sweet.

    tsk-tsk.
    Edited by 2 at 21/01/09 @ 16:37

  • -Hex- #113 3 years ago

    News just in! One company makes a derogatory remark about another! Internet uproar!

  • Kryon #114 3 years ago

    @man.the.king

    In what way are Greenberg's comments comparable to what Kaz said yesterday? Why should there be a similar uproar at what Greenberg has said? He has just quoted a few facts. He hasn't said anything especially retarded, unlike Hirai did, so why should the reaction to his comments be the same as that of in the Sony article yesterday?

    The thing I don't understand about pricks like you is you prattle on and on about "OMGZ!! EG is so teh BIAS innit and teh jernolizaem iz liek da shitz init blud!" and yet you continue to visit the site. Just piss off if you have nothing interesting to add.

  • Ryze #115 3 years ago

    @patchbox360


    WRONG.

  • man.the.king #116 3 years ago

    @Kryon

    Said the prick to the prick.

    "He has just quoted a few facts."
    According to people like you, MS supporters will always be speaking facts, while Sony supporters will either be dreaming on or lying. That... isn't a particulary reliable perspective.

    "The thing I don't understand about pricks like you is you prattle on and on about "OMGZ!! EG is so teh BIAS innit and teh jernolizaem iz liek da shitz init blud!" and yet you continue to visit the site. Just piss off if you have nothing interesting to add."

    In your limited viewpoint, something interesting HAS to be supportive of MS and the 360, is it?

    Something that a prick like you will NEVER understand: people like me can own multiple consoles, AND like all of them. My support of a console doesn't have to hinge on how much, financially and emotionally, I have invested in it.

    Dogs tend to bark loudest in their home-streets, and I guess EG is yours.
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 17:25

  • Ryze #117 3 years ago

    @youhavenomail

    'We'll do what Nintendo and Sony are doing but cheaper and with better online services' is Microsoft's mantra.

    FIXED!

  • Bulbatron #118 3 years ago

    Somebody may have already bought this up, but I thought the bit where Microsoft said they like to innovate was pretty funny. It always seems to me as if they just copy everybody else's ideas.

    Still, at the end of the day, on an individual basis, the best console is surely going to be the one which has the largest number of games that a person wants to play. For this generation, it was the 360 for me, last gen it was PS2.

  • Amoebalove #119 3 years ago

    @man.the.king
    ' people like me can own multiple consoles, AND like all of them.'

    and yet you seem to find it impossible to say anything in support of the 360!

  • secombe #120 3 years ago

    "This generation won't be won over just hardware specs, but who can out-innovate when it comes to online and software. This is the kind of stuff that's in our DNA, and frankly moves the console war onto our home court."

    Bless them, so Sony can ignore the 360 and Wii, and apparently Microsoft can ignore the Wii when talking statistics. You couldn't make it up.

    Ironically most people here overlooked that fact as well, the bias is alive and well.
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 18:30

  • Les #121 3 years ago

    @trebell

    Which is why I said 'about twice'. But if you have a better measure for CPU performance than TFLOPs I'm happy to use that one.
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 18:24

  • man.the.king #122 3 years ago

    @Amoebalove

    I tell it as I see it. I don't gain anything by lying. Yesterday's hot air by Hirai was ridicule-worthy, and if you check, I participated there as well. Actually, now that I think of it, EG allows you to track through all my comments if you feel like it, so feel free to check.

    In my view, if Microsoft or Sony does something good, I'll praise them for it. If they do something bad, then I'll criticise equally.

    I'll admit to preferring my PS3 over my 360, but that does not mean that I'll criticise the 360 or its games unnecessarily. Hell, just this October-November, I got the Collector's Edition for two 360 games - Fable 2 and GeOW2, including two games (R2 & LBP) for the PS3. I'm still playing through Fable 2, as I was sidetracked by some Prince of Persia and was finishing up other games.

    As I try to be neutral, it gets irritating when I see so many fanboys, including some of the so-called journalists on this website, criticising the PS3 unfairly. If you try to read things with a mind that is not tinged with 360-flavoured green, you would think the same too.
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 18:41

  • Vic #123 3 years ago

    'We'll do what Nintendo and Sony are doing but cheaper and worse' is Microsoft's mantra.'

    Avatars
    Singstar
    In the movies
    HDMI
    1080p dashboard update

    I wonder when they'll release MS Sports...

    LOL

  • Kryon #124 3 years ago

    @man.the.kings penis

    Taken from the Hirai (crackhead) thread.

    "What else do you expect him to say? Of course he is going to spin things in favour of the company he works for. Doesn't matter that he is talking out his arse. If this were someone from Microsoft, he/she would spin things in MS's favour. "

    So you are even defending Sony there by trying to say MS would do the same thing? To some extent of course MS would try and spin a positive story if their system was such an abismal disaster like the PS3 but not in the pathetic clown-show worthy way that Hirai did. Fanboys like you are the worst type, you're so deluded you don't even know you're a fanboy...Owning multiple consoles means nothing, I own a PS3 (people here will vouch for that as I have played with many of them over PSN) but I still think the console is a pile of shite tbh, and like I said, if you don't like EG or its journos, there is no one forcing you to read the site.

  • RedSparrows #125 3 years ago

    In the words of Bongripper:

    DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

  • Diabeu #126 3 years ago

    all your base are belong to us???

  • man.the.king #127 3 years ago

    @Kryon

    "if you don't like EG or its journos, there is no one forcing you to read the site."
    I read it because there are some good articles from time to time, especially regarding 360 games. In case you have forgotten, I own a 360 too, so I do frequent 360-centric sites like this one as well, in addition to PS3 sites.

    "there is no one forcing you to read the site."
    there is no one forcing you to read the shite. There-fixed that for you :)

    "Fanboys like you are the worst type, you're so deluded you don't even know you're a fanboy"
    I guess the irony of this statement completely eluded you.

    Edited by 4 at 21/01/09 @ 19:40

  • Kryon #128 3 years ago

    @man.the.king

    Not at all, I freely admit that I believe the 360 to be a far superior gaming device than the PS3, the PS3 is the biggest let down I've ever experienced regarding a games console. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I'm infallible just because I own both systems, it would be foolish to do so.
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 19:27

  • Les #129 3 years ago

    "I guess the irony of this statement completely eluded you."

    If fanboys could understand irony they wouldn't be fanboys so that's a definitive 'yes'.

  • man.the.king #130 3 years ago

    @Kryon
    Not at all, I freely admit that I believe the 360 to be a far superior gaming device than the PS3, the PS3 is the biggest let down I've ever experienced regarding a games console. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I'm infalable just because I own both systems, it would be foolish to do so.

    Well, a civil post at last! Much appreciated!

    Your opinion of the 360 being superior is just as subjective as is mine of the PS3 being better. And I'm not saying that I don't have preferences. I'm just saying that I will not invest myself wholeheartedly in one console, to the point where I blind myself to it's weaknesses and others' strengths.
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 19:31

  • Vic #131 3 years ago

    Fuck me PS£? What kind of idiots use that, then try to appear to be balanced in their opinions?

    What kind of peasant cant afford £300 anyway? Remind me how much was the PS1 when it was released all those years ago? People are being unrealistic because MS has swallowed a SHIT-LOAD of cash to gain marketshare. Nintendo and Sony were never going to do the same thing.

  • bad09 #132 3 years ago

    @ Kryon

    "the PS3 is the biggest let down I've ever experienced regarding a games console."

    Really? I love my 360 but I find myself "defending" the ugly thing a lot lately on EG....

    / stares in mirror and asks "am I SDF?"

    Sure it's all preference/taste/demographic etc and there is still A LOT wrong with the PS3 and the PSN network (MS and Live are no angels you know people), but really is it that much of a disappointment? You've got Siren, Pain, Uncharted, MGS4/online (ish), WipEoutHD, Tekken DR, LBP, KZ2 (yes it does actually look the nuts - it's practically COD4 in space it has to be good!), A cool HDD version of BO: P, GTi Club, all that arty crap that no regular gamer would glance at, plus the PS1 games (admittedly more work is needed here!), plus all the other PSN stuff (not PSP tho, Sony are idiots there price wise).

    (oh, and if I have to, it's got that casual crap singstar, buzz all that bollocks....)

    Throw in blu and better multi-media than 360 and I can't see why it would disappoint? We all know if you want games only go 360, but if you want all in one *cough* winner of format war bluray *cough* *cough* rent OR own *cough* go PS (or you are a gamer and want to sample all the fruits get both - just forget that silly Wii fad thingy)

  • Kryon #133 3 years ago

    @man.the.king

    "Well, a civil post at last! Much appreciated! "

    If you wanted 'civil', perhaps it would have been an idea to not start a conversation by calling other people idiots? Just a though, eh...I have no problem being civil, as long as others around me share the same attitude.

    "Your opinion of the 360 being superior is just as subjective as is mine of the PS3 being better."

    No, not really, The 360 (at present) is the better *gaming* device. Both systems share many of the same games, the 360 versions are better 99.9% of the time, this is a fact, not an opinion, each system has a few exclusives here and there. You may prefer Metal Gear to Gears of war, that is subjective. the earlier facts are not I'm afraid.

  • Kryon #134 3 years ago

    @bad09

    I'm sorry man, I tried to like the thing, You're one of the chaps on my PSN, but I just can't see it as a compelling piece of kit at the moment.

  • bad09 #135 3 years ago

    @ Kryon

    Yeah I rarely see you on there I think :)

    I dunno some may remember I was very much the same as you but after sampling the exclusives on offer so far I'm very happy with the money I spent and there is enough, for now, in 2009 to keep me interested. Can't honestly say that about 360 exclusives yet though.......

    PS3 - £289
    Pain with Hoff - can't remember, fiver or something..
    Price of causing pain to the Hoff (even imaginary) - priceless

    Also, something clicked for me as well after I upped my HDD, I found out the "people will buy it even with no games" thing, actually made sense more than I thought....

  • Kryon #136 3 years ago

    @bad09

    To be fair, I'm still glad to own the George Foreman for the odd exclusive here and there MGS/Uncharted etc, but I just don't have any need for the other features, I've never used the web browser, Home is lame, Online gaming isn't great (I know, it's free but still), I don't even bother with Blu-rays in general, the difference in picture quality isn't enough for me to justify spending more on movies. I had fun with Tekken DR for a while but again it was basically just a PS2 game that I had already played to death and like I say anything multi-format (which most titles are/will be from now on) are always bought for the 360 because they're usually better.

    And yes, I liked you more when you were an honourable and clean XBOT! ;p

  • man.the.king #137 3 years ago

    @Kryon
    If you wanted 'civil', perhaps it would have been an idea to not start a conversation by calling other people idiots? Just a though, eh...I have no problem being civil, as long as others around me share the same attitude.
    Well, I might have started off on the wrong foot there, so touche.

    No, not really, The 360 (at present) is the better *gaming* device. Both systems share many of the same games, the 360 versions are better 99.9% of the time, this is a fact, not an opinion, each system has a few exclusives here and there.
    I'm not with you there. While early ports did leave a lot to be desired, most of the ports do a bang-up job of getting both to look nice, and in some cases, better on the PS3, as mentioned by most websites other than EG. So, if you ask me whether I should take EG's word over most other websites out there, sorry, but I don't agree. I have played many multiplats on my PS3, and tbh, I don't see all of the !!!tearing!!!, !!!jaggies!!! and other things that EG "reviewers" and "impartial observers" like Richard Leadbetter seem to see and note on PS3 versions, while glossing over any faults on 360 versions. As for exclusives, I really don't have any Console preferences there. I like my GeOW2 just as fine as I happen to like my MGS4. Of course there will be favourites as far as specific games go, but these have nothing to do with the Consoles they are on. All in all, as far as it's innate capabilities go, I think PS3 is the better console. I recognize that that is an opinion, and I'm afraid while you would like to stamp your own opinion with the certificate of "fact", wanting that to be fact doesn't make it true. I play on both Consoles and there is nothing on the 360 that I have actually "missed" on the PS3, while, for me, the reverse is not true as I do not like to pay-to-play and I like to watch BR movies, and I like the Photo, Music and Video capabilities offered to me on the PS3, so that is something that I can't find on the 360 to the same quality, and so for me, the PS3 is the better deal. Again, neither my opinion nor yours is fact, and don't try to think your opinion has any more weight than mine.

  • bad09 #138 3 years ago

    @ Kryon

    Don't worry dude! Once Xbox 720 hits I'm green again all the way baby! :)

    Seriously though, I have no ties, I like the guys who give a good service (that's why I'm quitting Sky next week!), and after a REALLY bad start PS3 is, at very least, worth it's £289. Sure it's got SO MUCH wrong to me (a big Sony fan from PS1 to PSP) but it's improved enough to justify the price IMO, which will still need to come down to dent the mindless masses in love with the waggle devil.....

  • Kryon #139 3 years ago

    @man.the.king

    The problem is that any opinion that does not meet with your own is (in your eyes) obviously the result of bias. You can brush off EGs comparison articles and claim the journos are biased as much as you want, but can you honestly say that every single one of those 17 comparisons articles have had no truth to them? EG are just making it all up? Sorry man, but that isn't the case, most people generally except those articles as very in depth and professionally done. It's only the hardcore SDF that cry bias.

  • Kryon #140 3 years ago

    @bad09

    The Wii was a great purchase for me, got one in mid 2007, played it for 6 months, realised it was utter shit and sold it to CEX over Christmas of that year for a tidy profit, lol, they gave me £230 for it with no games (and it was yellow due to cigarette staining) :D

  • man.the.king #141 3 years ago

    @Kryon
    The problem is that any opinion that does not meet with your own is (in your eyes) obviously the result of bias. You can brush off EGs comparison articles and claim the journos are biased as much as you want, but can you honestly say that every single one of those 17 comparisons articles have had no truth to them? EG are just making it all up? Sorry man, but that isn't the case, most people generally except those articles as very in depth and professionally done. It's only the hardcore SDF that cry bias.

    No of course not. Many of the earlier face-off articles were firmly grounded in truth, and as such, I had no grief with those. And really, I'm not as blinded by Sony love as you think. That being said, surely you can catch the taste of pro-360 and anti-PS3 (or should it be pro-MS and anti-Sony? ) spin in over 75% of EG articles. You seem to have an acceptable grasp of written English, so here's an experiment for you: forget you ever had a 360 or a PS3, read some of those articles and then tell me you don't catch even a hint of bias?

    BTW, it's only "XBots" who cry "SDF" whenever anyone mentions EG bias, so much so that it has become standard modus operandi to shout down (by chanting "SDF";) anyone who happens to point out anything of the sort. As I said in another post, bias regarding something you support is never perceived as such. That is very much human nature.

    Anyway, I'm getting off work now :), so I'll leave you to reply as I'll be heading off to catch my train soon (Chicago).
    Edited by 2 at 21/01/09 @ 21:32

  • Spekingur #142 3 years ago

    The best gaming device is the one with the most games (and hopefully, best).
    PS2 won that title, hands down, before - it is, however, not a current gen console.
    Currently? It can't really be Nintendo, since the Wii gaming library is quite pitiful. So I am pretty sure that this title would go to the X360, judging solely on the amount of games you can get for it.

    As for the power. The PS3 might have all the power in the world but if the programming to get to it is too complicated you'll never be able to fully utilize it. And there-in lies the problem.
    Also, the PS3 CPU might be more powerful than the X360's (and the X360's GPU some bit more than the PS3's) - but has anyone really considered the BUS speeds? If those are bad then everything else will work alot worse than it could or should.

  • Kryon #143 3 years ago

    "bias regarding something you support is never perceived as such"

    Surely this works both ways, as in, the truth you don't like hearing will be perceived as bias? I think very much that this is the case here. Especially as you clearly acknowledge that the earlier comparisons were accurate. They are still written by the same chaps, why would they have suddenly gone from giving an accurate account of things to being totally biased in favour of the 360 every single time without fail? While I totally accept that the difference in quality of most new multi-format titles is pretty insignificant, it is still there, the PS3 versions are still worse (even if just marginally) but for people like myself who do own both systems, I will always pick the one that does utilise AA, doesn't tear quite so badly, has the steadier frame rate, etc. While in most cases these small gripes don't make much/if any difference to the enjoyment of a game, I seriously can't see why EG would make it up. Why would they?

  • ronuds #144 3 years ago

    I think if EG is biased towards the 360 it's because Sony and their henchman are a bunch of dopes. They took what could have been something great and turned it into something completely mediocre, while still telling everyone it was great. Sony lies and spins webs to fool their customers and journalists into believing things that aren't even remotely true or grounded in reality. Neither MS nor Ninty do so with the frequency with which Sony often does.

    And lets face it, the PS3 has been a disappointment of gigantic proportions. Think of the anticipation there was leading up to its launch and how Sony took that anticipation, and with their arrogance, smashed it beneath their feet. I think a lot of people are pissed at Sony and I think Sony is mostly to blame for that. The little they've done to try and make up for their initial lies doesn't seem to matter too much - and I think a lot more repair is needed from their end. Home didn't help matters whatsoever. Yeah, everyone was happy to finally get a chance to try it, but since it's a piece of crap, it's renewed people being pissed at Sony again. Because once again they've failed to deliver - and instead of trying to make amends, they sit around and spout off about how they're in their own world, and in that world they're #1. How dense?
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 22:07

  • kaya08 #145 3 years ago

    Surely when comparing the relative power of each console it’s the weakest aspect of the build that should be compared. That's how it works with a PC don't see any reason why it would be different for a console.
    Its basically a bottleneck.
    Its like pouring water from a full 10 litre jug into a 2 litre jug vs. pouring a 2 litre jug into a 5 litre jug. Your going to end up with 2 litres regardless, right? (Is my metaphor horribly wrong?)

  • Kryon #146 3 years ago

    @kaya08

    I don't know if your metaphor is wrong or right, but you mention jugs at least four times, so it can't be all bad. ;)

  • kaya08 #147 3 years ago

    lol
    Maybe a better explanation is necessary so.
    A PC's performance is based on it's worst feature. So you could have a godly graphics card but crappy processing power making the graphics card useless because your computer just can't process the amount of information its receiving from the graphics card.

    A weaker graphics card would send less information but your computer would process just as much at the same speed due to the limits on your processing power.
    Make sense?

    EDIT: my basic point is that maybe developers inability to take advantage of the PS3's 'extra power' is that its a pc with a godly graphics card but without the processing power to take advantage of this alleged power (Or something similar). Lets face it in practice the difference between the 2 consoles is minor if not non-existent (at least to date).
    Edited by 2 at 21/01/09 @ 23:09

  • Kryon #148 3 years ago

    Yeah, I got it, so, anyway, you were saying about jugs?
    Edited by 1 at 21/01/09 @ 23:09

  • kaya08 #149 3 years ago

    Jugs, Jugs, Jugs

    ...
    satisfied?

    (should I be disturbed?)

  • Amoebalove #150 3 years ago

    @man.the.king

    ‘If you try to read things with a mind that is not tinged with 360-flavoured green, you would think the same too.’

    I’m sorry but at what point did I mention which consoles I own? Why do you immediately assume that I have a bias towards the 360? I play video games and that’s it. I’ve been playing video games since the days of pong and I don’t care which money grabbing corporation slaps a logo on the side of the machine as long as I get to continue my hobby.

    ‘As I try to be neutral, it gets irritating when I see so many fanboys, including some of the so-called journalists on this website, criticising the PS3 unfairly.’

    You make posts defending Sony and the ps3 and criticise those who make positive comments about the 360 or are negative about the ps3 in any way. Is the ps3 beyond criticism for some reason? I’m not going to waste time looking through you post history but you’re on a roll of late and this one’s a perfect example.

    ‘As far as I can see, all idiots like Kryon, Calgon and the like are offering as their opinions are nothing more than self-ego-boosters to feel good about their psychological investment in the 360 and everything to do with it, including it's games, gamerpoints, etc.’

    Have you failed to noticed some of the ridiculous comments about the 360 coming from a few of the hardcore Sony fans?

    I have no problem with you preferring the ps3 but despite your protests to the contrary you seem to find it hard accept that for many the 360 is the better games machine.

    Before you start to throw accusations of green tinged bias my way I hope you’ll take note that I have yet to mention any personal preference for any console.

  • Les #151 3 years ago

    "Surely when comparing the relative power of each console it’s the weakest aspect of the build that should be compared."

    True, that's why in graphics performance there's hardly a difference between the two consoles. And as graphics are all that matters to the hardcore, there's little use for the PS3's extra processing power. But we all know that graphics are irrelevant if you want to reach the masses. It may very well be that the extra processing power can't be put to good use when trying to serve the masses, simply because they don't care about better AI, physics, etc. in a game. With developers incapable of doing something useful with it (including Sony's own studios) the evidence sure isn't in Sony's favour. At this moment in time there can be just one conclusion: The money invested by the respective platform holders in 360 and PS3 were wasted as better results could have been reached with less money.

  • Redeye #152 3 years ago

    All PR tools: please, help yourselves to a massive slice of STFU.

  • Calgon #153 3 years ago

    Meh everybody knows this used to be labeled SonyGamer last gen, they changed for the better(they are less biased now than they've ever been) the SDF are the fanboys who cant accept them critisising Sony or praising MS in any way. Really man.the.king is just a more bitter version of Les... sounds suspiciously like the stealth troll Rash'.

    Oh and really I think its time to accept that real world performance of the PS3 is less than everybody involved hoped, time to stop blaming developers. With the budget and 3-4 year dev cycle Killzone2 has had(and GT5 for that matter) I think to myself... imagine what the 360 would pull off with that kind of treatment, Im betting it would be a damn sight more impressive than Killzone2 personally.
    Edited by 3 at 22/01/09 @ 13:02

  • kaya08 #154 3 years ago

    It doesn't really matter which is more powerful than the other anyway.
    The original xbox was more powerful than the PS2 (noticably more powerful too)
    It didn't help it much. PS2 still had the better games by and large.

  • Calgon #155 3 years ago

    Queue the typical bull***t response of: "Ah but teh 360 is just a pc anyway innit!"

  • Lamb #156 3 years ago

    Blah blah blah...

    All these idiots are out of touch. Soon the price of pc hardware the world over will dip sharply. Gone will be their ridiculous license fees of 10 to 15 quid a console game. The PC future is looking stellar.

  • man.the.king #157 3 years ago

    @Kryon
    "Surely this works both ways, as in, the truth you don't like hearing will be perceived as bias? I think very much that this is the case here. Especially as you clearly acknowledge that the earlier comparisons were accurate. They are still written by the same chaps, why would they have suddenly gone from giving an accurate account of things to being totally biased in favour of the 360 every single time without fail? While I totally accept that the difference in quality of most new multi-format titles is pretty insignificant, it is still there, the PS3 versions are still worse (even if just marginally) but for people like myself who do own both systems, I will always pick the one that does utilise AA, doesn't tear quite so badly, has the steadier frame rate, etc. While in most cases these small gripes don't make much/if any difference to the enjoyment of a game, I seriously can't see why EG would make it up. Why would they?"

    Well, that would be true if I hated MS and the 360. However, that is certainly not the case, as I do enjoy my 360 and my 360 exclusives. Where Sony has been wrong, I have ridiculed them for it. I noticed that you selectively took my words that seemed to defend Kaz's silly outburst whilst ignoring the other things I said, e.g. "monumental stupidity", "head or arse", etc. That made me think you just cherry-picked bits and pieces that supported your argument of me being a fanboy, while ignoring other things that didn't support your argument. Anyway, as I said, the older articles were right, but I have noticed that graphics comparisons which have seemed to support PS3 versions of games on other websites have still been struck down on this one. Add to that other small things like sarcasm, snide comments and negative spin while reporting Sony/PS3 news and glossing over some not-so-nice things when reporting MS/360 ones has become a mainstay on EG. Also, most games pages for multiplats will only show images of the 360 versions, not PS3. That's what started me thinking along these lines.

    As for instances where graphics might not be as good as PS3 versions, yes, there are still some of those, but not as much as EG would have you think. I would recommend you try other gaming websites as well, and try from a much wider spectrum, not just ones that support the 360 come-what-may.

    Now I'm not saying I didn't understand what you were saying, so it comes down to this:
    1) EG may be biased and I'm perceiving their lies accurately, and since you happen to think the world of 360 and MS and hate Sony and everything to do with it, you might think EG is always right,
    or
    2) EG may not be biased and I'm perceiving what they say incorrectly.

    Either may be true - but if you say just your interpretation is correct, I am sorry but I don't agree with that. All I'm saying is keep an open mind. As you know, gaming websites are not above accepting money for advertising (e.g Gamespot and the Eidos debacle).

  • man.the.king #158 3 years ago

    @Amoebalove

    You make posts defending Sony and the ps3 and criticise those who make positive comments about the 360 or are negative about the ps3 in any way. Is the ps3 beyond criticism for some reason? I’m not going to waste time looking through you post history but you’re on a roll of late and this one’s a perfect example."

    If you can't be bothered to look at my post history, I'm sorry but that's not my problem. However, I have criticised Sony for it's mistakes as well. If you have already formed an opinion of me, then nothing I do is going to change that, so I'm not going to bother refuting your implied accusation there. However, I will say this - you said nothing to people who were going on and on about how bad Sony and everybody and everything to do with it was, and the first post I made - you jumped to criticize me. So what else was I supposed to think.

    "Have you failed to noticed some of the ridiculous comments about the 360 coming from a few of the hardcore Sony fans?"

    So what makes you think that people who prefer the PS3 more are ridiculous with their comments whilst people who prefer the 360 aren't? Does ownership of the 360 impart an atmosphere of maturity? Fanboys are fanboys, whatever their allegiance.

    "I have no problem with you preferring the ps3 but despite your protests to the contrary you seem to find it hard accept that for many the 360 is the better games machine."

    I'm totally okay with that - if I didn't think the 360 was good enough, I would have gotten rid of it long ago. For what it's worth, I'm also one of the few who own one of the launch 360s and whose console is still working fine :). I just thought that EG was a mite biased there and spoke out.

    "I’m sorry but at what point did I mention which consoles I own? Why do you immediately assume that I have a bias towards the 360? I play video games and that’s it. I’ve been playing video games since the days of pong and I don’t care which money grabbing corporation slaps a logo on the side of the machine as long as I get to continue my hobby.
    Before you start to throw accusations of green tinged bias my way I hope you’ll take note that I have yet to mention any personal preference for any console."

    You are quite right. I was responding to Kryon concurrently as well and I guess it bled over. Sorry!
    Edited by 1 at 22/01/09 @ 21:03

  • man.the.king #159 3 years ago

    @Calgon
    "Really man.the.king is just a more bitter version of Les... sounds suspiciously like the stealth troll Rash'."

    Now who's the conspiracy theorist?

    "they changed for the better(they are less biased now than they've ever been) the SDF are the fanboys who cant accept them critisising Sony or praising MS in any way."

    More like criticizing Sony in EVERY way and praising MS in EVERY single manner possible.

    "Im betting it would be a damn sight more impressive than Killzone2 personally."

    Seriously, are you offering a wish as proof of superiority?

  • Calgon #160 3 years ago

    man.the.king

    Now who's the conspiracy theorist?

    I dont really care if you are or you arent though is the difference, you are the type of troll Ive commented about in another thread already...

    More like criticizing Sony in EVERY way and praising MS in EVERY single manner possible.

    You know how pathetic you sound there? Think its time you stop deluding yourself and grow up a bit, maybe humor the notion that more gamers prefer 360 and they are giving their honest opinions as gamers.

    Either way dont pretend your rants are justified, you are nothing more than a troll who cant accept that some people dont rate the PS3 as highly as the 360... if that is seen as an attack or bashing its YOU who has the problem. I wont waste much time trying to convince you otherwise, instead if you are that sure of it, why dont you find another site? Why havent you done that already?

    Id bet you wouldnt be satisfied untill they praise Sony for everything and relentlessly bash MS like every other Sony troll thats spat their dummy out this gen.


    Seriously, are you offering a wish as proof of superiority?

    Is that your idea of a worthwhile response to a well reasoned point? Also the level of IRONY in that statement when you think about it is hilarious let me tell you! ;) That's basically a summary of every PS3 fanboy's behaviour at some point or another.
    Edited by 2 at 23/01/09 @ 01:51

  • man.the.king #161 3 years ago

    @Calgon

    "I dont really care if you are or you arent though is the difference, you are the type of troll Ive commented about in another thread already..."
    Says the troll who can't seem to find ANYTHING good about the PS3.

    "maybe humor the notion that more gamers prefer 360 and they are giving their honest opinions as gamers."
    I have, but what I don't understand is all the supposedly "witty" sarcasm, not-so-subtle preferences from EG "journalists" and "reviewers", and not-so-honest face-to-face comparisons, especially the later ones (I'll admit the earlier ones were spot on), among other things.

    "you are nothing more than a troll who cant accept that some people dont rate the PS3 as highly as the 360"
    I couldn't care less if fanboys rate one system higher than the other. They are not being paid to offer professional opinions and report actual news. What I do care about is when paid "journalists" and "reviewers" let fanboyism (or something else, who knows) affect them.

    "Id bet you wouldnt be satisfied untill they praise Sony for everything and relentlessly bash MS like every other Sony troll thats spat their dummy out this gen."
    ONE nice word without adding another snide comment, or pointing out something entirely unrelated-but-negative about PS3/Sony or pointing out something unrelated-but-positive about the competitor would be enough, but EG seem to be incapable of doing that. Maybe they understand all too well that their bread-and-butter is dependent upon rabid 360 fanboys like you, who seem to be incapable of understanding that someone who has no strong allegiances will be able to better see bias for what it is.

    "why dont you find another site? Why havent you done that already?"
    I already use other, more neutral web-sites to get my PS3 news. However, as I've mentioned ad nauseam and fanboys like you do not seem to understand, I do own a 360 as well and play many 360 games, and for 360-centric news and reviews, EG is a particularly good site. However, while on here, I can't help but notice all the crap that EG seems to spout about the PS3, while sucking up big-time to MS and 360 fanboys. I have been noticing this for the past several months, thinking this would change as Sony seems to have gotten their act together. However, as we turn into 2009, with all the supposed PS3 exclusives coming out, EG and 360 fanboys seem to get more and more vitriolic. So I thought I would speak out for once. The responses I have gotten so far have only served to verify, at least to me, that EG is pandering to a particular target audience through its choice of news and articles.

    "Is that your idea of a worthwhile response to a well reasoned point?"
    Let me see if I got this correct - you are claiming, without any prior proof or prior examples, that if a certain PS3-exclusive was developed on the 360 for just as long, it would be FOR SURE better on the 360. Is that what you call a well-reasoned point? How is this different from SDF claiming that if a 360-exclusive or multiplatform game was developed exclusively on the PS3, it would be better? The irony in YOUR claim is outrageous, and you used that point to compare me to a PS3 fanboy?. Maybe a good, long, hard look in the mirror is in order for you...
    Edited by 3 at 23/01/09 @ 06:36

  • Amoebalove #162 3 years ago

    @man.the.king

    Apology accepted. Thank you.

  • Les #163 3 years ago

    @ man.the.king

    "Now who's the conspiracy theorist?"

    There are some tools around here who take their plastic box so seriously that as soon as you happen to say something negative about it, you're immediately placed in the camp of the opposition they hate the most. Doesn't matter that you also criticise their worst enemy, not blindly worshipping their box of preference essentially means you'll be excommunicated. Rather sad, but true. IMO it's better to just put them on ignore because what's the point of trying to have a discusion with people that don't care about the rules of logic?

  • Calgon #164 3 years ago

    Let me see if I got this correct - you are claiming, without any prior proof or prior examples, that if a certain PS3-exclusive was developed on the 360 for just as long, it would be FOR SURE better on the 360. Is that what you call a well-reasoned point?

    Do you have a lack of common sense or logical thinking here? I said that was my bet(you want proof of a game I never even said existed on 360 now?)... never even said it had to be Killzone2 either, what is true is MS havent had a game with a budget or dev cycle quite like Killzone2 or GT5, was that so hard to understand? Are you contesting the well known fact that PS3 development has so far taken longer and costs more than it has done for the 360?(just to come close enough to call it even) Is that not well reasoned enough? I didnt think I had to go into too much detail because it was obvious where I was coming from to anyone with a basic understanding of console power and games development.

    There is the disk space arguement if we are talking about 360 doing the same game but:

    a)Multiple disks, Compression and HDD caching would see it done.

    b)Other games have already surpassed that level of detail on PC without the need for blu-ray like levels of disk space, so it would just be acheived in a way that suits the platform better, infact from the in game footage Ive seen so far the visual fidelity doesnt even surpass GOW2(worse in some areas infact) but we will see what the final build looks like.

    Its an easy bet too IMO because 360 is capable of acheiving more than Killzone2 does(PS3 is too I'd wager), what you've done is displayed your inability to take anything other than praise towards the PS3 as a scathing attack/bashing. You have a bad case of the over protective fanboy blues.

    BTW...
    Les is an MS hater who likes to pretend he knows what he's talking about, he doesnt show the level of negativity he does to anyone but MS - if that doesnt spell hater to you then somethings up(honestly every good peice of sales data he's straight in there trying to put a negative spin on it with his brand of comedy gold... we all have a good laugh when he tries to say he's not got any bias) oh yeah and he owns a PS3 and Wii. Im sure Im not the only one thinking hypocrite regarding defending a peice of plastic... trolls have no room to talk they are the saddest fanboys of all because they take it seriously enough to seek out arguements about their console of choice(or the competitors console) "with the enemy" and have the nerve to call these one way conversations "discussions" or "debates"... yeah pull the other one some of us arent so easily bullshitted, we call it how we see it. Oh yeah and I dont have any of this gens consoles yet, I still have the choice between all 3 of them but 360 easily looks the most attractive to me this gen and I know Im not alone on that. Infact I know MS haters who've went out about a 360 so they must be doing something right.
    Edited by 6 at 23/01/09 @ 16:35

  • man.the.king #165 3 years ago

    @Calgon

    "Are you contesting the well known fact that PS3 development has so far taken longer and costs more than it has done for the 360(just to come close enough to call it even)? Is that not well reasoned enough?
    Its an easy bet too IMO because 360 is capable of acheiving more than Killzone2 does(PS3 is too I'd wager)"

    I went and re-read your original post and see what you are trying to say, so I'll concede that that is a possibility, upto a point. Yes development for the PS3 costs more (in terms of manhours and therefore budget) because of the complexity of the architecture and the shift in thinking required, not because of anything inherently lacking in the machine. As for your bet, well, you can keep on betting but imo (and I really DID NOT WANT to discuss graphics here), the 360 has yet to show anything as graphically advanced as Uncharted, MGS4 or LBP (and that includes COD4 & GeOW2). That may or may not change in the future, but so far it hasn't. Now whether that is because 360 developers are not willing to spend as much time and money to get something to look as good on it, or whether because of any technical limitations, I really don't know, and at this point, I think it would just be guesswork. We would just have to wait and see.

    "You have a bad case of the over protective fanboy blues."
    As I said earlier, maybe some introspection will help you figure out the irony in this statement of yours.

    While you were berating Les's actions with such righteous indignation, I was wondering how it is that you were unable to recognize the signs of the same things you were accusing him of in your present and past posts. Then I realized that you were the same thing that you so loudly accuse everybody of that doesn't see things the way you do - a troll.

    "yeah pull the other one some of us arent so easily bullshitted, we call it how we see it."

    What I gather from your post history is: the only way you see "it" is that MS is right in everything, everybody who praises the 360 is right, Sony is wrong in everything and anybody who dares to disagree with "how you see it" is a troll.

    By the end of your rant, I was beginning to think you were so blinded by worship of your console of choice that you will probably never see that there are two sides to every discussion, and that you will never be able to see from a perspective of somebody who is not an out-and-out 360 fanboy. And if that is true, trying to discuss things with you may be pointless. I'll try for a couple of posts, and then just give it up as a lost cause.

  • man.the.king #166 3 years ago

    @Calgon

    "Oh yeah and I dont have any of this gens consoles yet, I still have the choice between all 3 of them but 360 easily looks the most attractive to me this gen and I know Im not alone on that. Infact I know MS haters who've went out about a 360 so they must be doing something right."

    Fair enough, but even if that is true, from your posts I gather you have already decided in favour of the 360 and look askance at anything that talks in favour of the PS3. Maybe it's because most of your friends have a 360 and have convinced you of its virtues and the evils of the PS3, maybe it's some other reason. Anyway, I'm not going to argue that PS3 or 360 is better - both consoles have their strengths and weaknesses - your purchase will ultimately depend upon what you want out of your gadget.
    Edited by 2 at 23/01/09 @ 17:13

  • Calgon #167 3 years ago

    The 360 has yet to show anything as graphically advanced as Uncharted, MGS4 or LBP (and that includes COD4 & GeOW2).

    Haha you have to be joking right? You can keep thinking that then while those who havent deluded themselves wait for anything on the PS3 that 360 couldnt do or hasnt done already... there has been nothing as of yet not even close and there wont be where graphics are concerned anyway, best try another area to specualte on because you are in over your head. Im not at all new to console technology so dont delude yourself into thinking Im forming opinions based off what my peers told me or any of the marketing hype from either side... that is IRONY yet again, you have described the untapped potential/powar of teh cell sydrome which affects a large percentage of PS3 fanboys. I give Sony credit for delivering their hype in a way thats hard to disprove(apart from looking at actual benchmarks such as games and real world performance... which have not been supportive of these claims) the gullable eat it up, there will be some that cling to the hype till the bitter end which is sad because that cant be very fun. They are both good consoles but for what was spent MS is looking like the smarter console designers of the two, manufacturing is another matter though which they seem to have finally sorted fully... they can learn from that atleast and with what that cost them you can bet they will go out of their way to make sure they do.

    Well I guess that quote from you tells me you dont really know the subject well at all if you have that beleif(nothing against those games they are good games but hardly "graphically advanced" as you put it, sorry to tell you.)... that really does make you look a bit deluded IMO but its pointless arguing with you I can see already.

    Anyway, I'm not going to argue that PS3 or 360 is better - both consoles have their strengths and weaknesses

    Im not gong to argue with that, I simply stated my preference, if everyone just did that and got on with gaming EG would be all the better for it... trouble is they dont we have too many trolls in 360 topics with nothing more than hate/resentment for MS and the 360.

    When it gets so repetitive from individuals constantly getting into their so called "discussions"... where its quite obvious they are getting a little too worked up and upset over them it's quite hard for you and Les to turn around and tell me these people were just your regular gamers being a little critical... its actually pretty funny that you even try and defend them.

    Im critical myself of all 3, Im well aware none are even close to perfect(plenty of things each could have done better and plenty they can still improve on this gen as it stands right now) so I can distinguish the difference miles better than you'd like to give me credit for... it didnt come as a suprise though its an obvious cop out, theres probably trolls in the PS3 sections too but thats no consellation or justification as some idiots like to think. You my friend have no right to talk about irony btw...
    Edited by 13 at 23/01/09 @ 18:51

  • Les #168 3 years ago

    "Anyway, I'm not going to argue that PS3 or 360 is better - both consoles have their strengths and weaknesses - your purchase will ultimately depend upon what you want out of your gadget."

    Many around here have argued that way many times before but some people just can't grasp the concept of different people having different needs.

  • m0thr4 #169 3 years ago

    @man.the.king

    the 360 has yet to show anything as graphically advanced as Uncharted, MGS4 or LBP (and that includes COD4 & GeOW2).

    See, when you spout shit like that, you just embarrass true PS3 fans like me who just enjoy these platform exclusives despite their obvious shortcomings... such as the horrible horrible screen tearing and, frankly underwhelming graphics in Uncharted... or the clipping issues in LBP, or the fact that MGS4's own creator has said repeatedly in interviews how unhappy he was with the PS3's graphical performance. Or the fact that all those games can only run in 720p.

    Sure, the above games are very stylish, and possibly show more imagination than any game ever released on the XBox 360, but graphically advanced? Get your head out of your ass and accept the answer 'no'.