Kameo: Elements of Power Review

By Tom Bramwell Published 22 November, 2005

Elementary.

Version tested: Xbox 360

Of all the games that make up the Xbox 360's launch line-up, Kameo held the most of this reviewer's confidence. The eloquence of its core transfiguration concept bore the hallmarks of Zelda-envy - hardly a bad thing - while its prolonged development gave rise to sights and sounds more spectacular and silken than many of its launch rivals. All it needed was a world worth exploring, and the sense to let you explore it.

Sultry hip-wiggling and dragonfly wings aside, Kameo's a pretty helpless elf, but with her transformation power she can adopt far more useful forms. The game starts off giving you a decent taste of these - a Sonic spinball for jumping between gaps and half-pipes, a Queensbury boxing plant to bash trolls, and a spiky gorilla for climbing walls and hurling enemies out of windows. Kameo's on a mission to save her family from her evil sister Kalus, who is in league with the nasty troll-king Thorn, so she's busy scaling a gloomy castle circled by cartoon dragons, and this environment is tailored to press each of her transformations' skills into service, at first individually and later in concert. But in the castle's highest tower, Kameo is set upon by Thorn, and her abilities cut away by his killer blow. When she wakes, she's back in her floating village home and unable to do much beyond wiggling around and admiring the swaying grass and wafting blossom.

To regain her initial abilities - and seven others - Kameo must gather the elemental sprites, each of which is held by a nasty shadow demon. These spindly black horrors are spread unevenly among the thematically diverse corners of the scarred game world below her kingdom-home, and to get to them she must solve basic puzzles in each, do battle with trolls, and then open gateways to the shadow realm, where she has to dispatch the increasingly evil identikit demon mini-bosses by drawing spiritual power from their minions and then lobbing it back in their faces the tried-and-trusted three or four times over. Along the way, she also has to save her kidnapped family from giant boss monsters, each of which demands a different mixture of transformations to overcome.

'Kameo: Elements of Power' Screenshot hitpoint

Each enemy has a hitpoint total above his head so you can see who needs fixing.

Kameo and her elemental forms are accessed through the face buttons. When you gain more than three forms, you can bind them from within the "Wotnot" book, a predictably sacred tome housing a gobby wizard who dispenses tips and allows you to purchase ability upgrades with elemental fruit pilfered from hapless villagers. Basic movement remains with the left analogue stick more or less for all, and the camera is controlled with the right. Your various abilities - attacking and otherwise - are wielded with the analogue triggers.

The idea, obviously, is that as you gain each elemental form you can apply their skills to overcome environmental obstacles and new enemies on the way to shadowy showdowns and boss-biffing. And so for the most part the game is set up - you gain dragon form in time to open doors by lighting multiple torches, water form in time to operate water wheels and give pummel-able tangibility to ghostly bad guys lurking in huts, and so on. As it wears on, areas regularly demand a combination of abilities. Initially you'll use your spinball to dash off a ledge, then switch to the wall-climbing gorilla in mid-air to continue your castle ascent. A boss encounter further on has you adopting the plant persona to burrow under spiked shells and then flick them in its face, before chucking boulders in its mouth as a pile of rubble, all the while you dodge trolls scattered around the area. Later still, you'll use your flex form to whip the shield out of an enemy's hands, then another to actually duff him up.

However your attacks and any elemental combinations are rarely things you uncover yourself; if you're not told exactly what to do then you can figure it out within seconds. Cannonballs lying around and ramps angled toward catapults? Spinball snooker. Repeat three times. Elsewhere, applying these skills is variously prosaic, awkward or laborious, and always repetitive. Trolls hiding behind shields? Scatter your rubble form's boulders so that they club the trolls from behind as they return to you, then switch to the boxing plant to take care of them as they stand there stunned. Repeat many times over. Once you've established the obvious action, you'll often waste time actually getting the game to let you do it, too - by directing your spin-roll or flame-spitting slightly off-centre, you simply miss and have to do it again. The initial moment of realisation is occasionally beguiling, but any enthusiasm is soon shattered through failure and forced repetition.

The initial process of learning these abilities can be fraught with frustration too - particularly during the opening level. Unpractised hands trying to grasp the three skill-sets one after the other will send Kameo hurtling off ledges and die in combat. This is further hindered by a fitful third-person camera that often spins 180 degrees to face away from enemies when Kameo's struck, so the key skill becomes turning the camera back around while retreating, and this crops up again and again. It's fine if you're used to this sort of fundamental problem, and ultimately ignorable or only intermittently frustrating, but a worryingly basic flaw - and despite running across my front room while turning 180 degrees, several times, I can think of no appropriate analogy for its silliness.

'Kameo: Elements of Power' Screenshot dragon

The dragons flying around the castle are, yes, all in 3d.

The game hardly ever stops telling you what to do. You're always being asked to grasp new things and their individual quirks, and this abundance of in-game practice sessions and the way they're framed breeds apathy - right from the start of the game-proper, when you're given a basic movement and attack tutorial after the prologue level, and the wizard-in-the-book is so impressed by your ability to look at four torches in turn that he agrees to accompany you on your quest.

At times you feel like the subject of some grand Pavlovian experiment as the cut-away camera gestures to one thing and then another. "Submarines abound," the camera signals, before casually flicking its view to an underwater door. I... must... torpedo the subs to open the underwater door! (Fire, go in, do something, come out.) "Hello little one," the camera greets you. "Here we have boats," it continues, like a girl modelling prizes on a '60s gameshow, "and here is an underwater door." (Fire, go in, do something, come out.) "Now we have subs, and boats," it smiles, "and here an underwacluck-click-cluck-click-click!" This, as you might have guessed, is the sound the analogue stick made as I hit it with my clenched fist. I was desperate to be put in a room with little guidance and forced to experiment.

And yet the game seems loath to do this. I've mentioned the flex form already, right? When you gain him, you realise you can reach platforms with particular plants on them by latching onto their tongues when they open their mouths. It allows you to bridge great distances. But soon you realise that this is basically just a glorified long-jump, and because the game isn't set up to let you tread your own path, you simply do this for a section, and then you barely touch on it again for the rest of the game.

Kameo rarely dies outright or has to repeat much lost progress, but that doesn't lessen the sense of repetition borne of the again-and-again level design. You get bored of it, and her various forms are often individually hamstrung too. Your water form, for example, switches the camera from the right to the left analogue stick whenever you dive in, and has you hold the left trigger to move forward. Why this sudden change? And why can't you move backwards underwater? This issue's particularly acute when you first dive in and the camera lingers above the water so you can't see what's happening for a few seconds. The elements seldom unite to entertain. You kill one boss by fighting the controls and camera to torpedo it underwater, but only after you've gone through the oft-irritating process of trying to snooker bombs off ramps while dodging lightning. The final phase of another boss left me switching between forms in despair until I realised that you could only use the winning strategy in certain areas of the arena.

'Kameo: Elements of Power' Screenshot horseback

Riding between sections on horseback is devoid of obvious benefits, but looks nice.

Combat is a relative pleasure, but it's a sideshow. You can get through the whole game using a basic range of attacks, ignoring most of the upgrades - the spirit bar extensions, which allow you to use puzzle and clearing attacks for longer, are by far the most important. The final boss is the only thing that really demands any advanced combat skill, and that's poor design. What's more, many fights are rendered tedious as you struggle to apply the right technique. Ripping shields from enemies, flipping trolls under spiked shells, hitting giant trolls with glass jaws then using a spike-javelin on their exposed chin within a tiny window of opportunity - figuring them out should be fun, but you're told what to do, applying what you've learned should be fun, but you're constrained by control and camera design.

The way the Xbox 360's graphical power is put to use belies the game's origins on older consoles, too. The level of detail is certainly unprecedented in a console game - scenery is bright and detailed as far as the eye can see, enemies won't shed their features even at a distance or in huge numbers, and the fringes of the game world are carved and polished with every manner of graphical tool and filter imaginable. You're in no doubt that this is a new level of console visuals.

But the environments themselves are stuck in the past. When faced with a gate constructed of metal bars that at least two of your forms are clearly thin enough to slip between, you still have to apply a two-character process to reach the other side - first pound the ground, then burrow beneath the resulting gap. You do this, of course, several times in a row. Other times the game's graphical might serves more to confuse than enlighten, or simply applies its range in tired fashion. There's enough artistic and technical skill here to have you seek out unique landmarks that mark the path onward, but instead you look for the glowing doorway in amongst the samey objects, individually detailed and beautifully texture-mapped though they are.

The underlying concept of combining the abilities of multiple characters is unquestionably a good one, and sometimes it works quite well but its application is mostly forced and repetitive, and it doesn't let you off the leash until it's almost over. The game is well organised, but only by virtue of leaving you in little doubt of where to go and what to do when you get there, and then asking you to do it several times in a row. All too infrequently do you discover anything for yourself and there's rarely a puzzle that demands more than a few seconds' thought or observation. If you need to pummel four totems in a particular order, and you know which comes first, it doesn't take long to spot that each has a certain number of ram's-skulls-on-sticks next to it. One, two, three, and, by Jove, four.

'Kameo: Elements of Power' Screenshot weed

Pummel weed, easily the most charismatic of your transformations, can uppercut folks onto spiky vines.

The detail around the edges fleshes out the world, but only with mediocrity. A thousand units fight for control of the Badlands area at the centre of the game world, and you can join in the fight or simply wade through the carnage on horseback, but it's just a pretty backdrop that you can only influence when you're told to get involved, and for no reward - on one occasion this happens just as you're in the middle of doing something with a tangible prize at the end of it. Elsewhere, villagers all have something to say, but never anything that interesting. Some ask you to clear their huts of enemies, but you only do this because you want their elemental fruit. In fact, everybody talks too much - and you'll regularly find yourself flicking past the voice acting during key moments of exposition. There's very little joy in any of it.

Expectations are often too high with console launch titles, or people simply don't know what to expect. Kameo makes it simple. Rare said that the game was basically completed on past systems anyway, then touched up, and that's incredibly obvious. Its development on Xbox 360 has borne graphical polish that couldn't be achieved on anything but today's highest-end PCs, but the core game is nothing you'll have trouble referencing. Enemies do what game enemies have always done, puzzles are solved the way they always have been, and events unfold predictably - both in content and sequence, which almost never leaves exploration up to you - and repetitively, as most areas are shaped to open their doors in accordance with your most recent acquisitions. And then open the next ones the same way two minutes later.

The world of Kameo certainly asks of the console hardware what past games could not, but it doesn't ask any new questions of the player. Instead of flowering, petal by distinctive petal, it just showers you with new seeds as you toil to bed the old ones, and then tells you to sow and sow and so on until you're bored. The result is a game that struggles to entertain, and one that I was quite finished with by the end.

5 / 10

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Comments (368) Latest comment 6 years ago

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  • Inquisitor #1 6 years ago

    oh dear...

  • onyxbox #2 6 years ago

    wait for it...

  • Retroid #3 6 years ago

    Ouch.

    How much did MS pay for Rare again....?

  • pauleyc #4 6 years ago

    5/10? Oh boy, the fanboys will shred you...

    edit: Or not. Time, rationality and hands-on experience will tell.
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 14:35

  • kebab #5 6 years ago

    OMG

  • Carlo #6 6 years ago

    O_o

    /hears the distant sound of a million clicks of the 'cancel Kameo order' button

  • machugh #7 6 years ago

    That seems a tad harsh considering it's averaging about 8/10 from numerous other reviews

  • jack_klugman #8 6 years ago

    Gamespot gave it 8.7

    Makes you wonder what Microsoft gave GameSpot.

  • caligari #9 6 years ago

    I'm guessing most of the 'good' reviews are in X-Box 360 magazines!

    :)

  • myiagros #10 6 years ago

    waiting for the Xbox fanboys to start the "EG love Sony hate MS" chant.

    Oh well iam glad EG wern't swayed by the graphics like many othe sites have been. In a years time graphics like this will be the norm and we will have to compare this to other games of this type. Thankfully we will be able to directly compare.

  • bivith #11 6 years ago

    And thus Eurogamer reaches the culmination of it's anti-Xbox360 campaign...

  • Heds #12 6 years ago

    Whoops. Can we have the CoD2 review now, so I can tell if GS really are just being fanboys, or reviewing fairly?

    Thank God PGR3 seems to score consistently high...

  • Carlo #13 6 years ago

    bengalibelgali, quote all the other sites until you're blue in the face... I *trust* EG reviews...

  • bivith #14 6 years ago

    "I'm guessing most of the 'good' reviews are in X-Box 360 magazines!"

    Not really
    unless "2" counts as "most".
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 14:19

  • Shinji #15 6 years ago

    And thus Eurogamer reaches the culmination of it's anti-Xbox360 campaign...

    I'd have said that it was just another stop on our honest reviews campaign.

  • myiagros #16 6 years ago

    congrats bivth you are the first MS fanboy on the post

  • bivith #17 6 years ago

    "stop honest reviews campaign"

    more like ;)

  • Eighthours #18 6 years ago

    Before the "OMG anti-360" comments reach their zenith, it may well be worth us all playing the game ourselves to give our remarks some proper perspective. That said, I anticipate from what I've seen that this mark is too low. I'll be back after the 2nd.

  • bivith #19 6 years ago

    "congrats bivth you are the first MS fanboy on the post"

    What do I win? :)

  • Teeth #20 6 years ago

    Thankfully, we don't seem to have seen much of the pro-360 shite that's recently been polluting the site of late. That's a good thing.

    edit - I mean from members, in the comments, you know. You knew that!
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 14:21

  • discoMishap #21 6 years ago

    I've just been playing this at lunchtime in slack jawed disbelief.

    For all it's lovely looks, it's horribly outdated from a game mechanics perspective.

    Plus, it's massively counter-intuitive.

    Oh, and it controls horribly.

    And... and... YOU CALL THAT A CAMERA??

    I think I need to have a lie down and a small cry now.

    I'm quite disappointed.

  • myiagros #22 6 years ago

    "What do I win? :) "

    i would say a copy of Kameo, but it sounds like its not really worth it!

  • Inquisitor #23 6 years ago

    The review seems a little harsh in that its main complaint is it 'helps you too much' and I don't see how the horse sections can be that pointless, surely the same could be said about collosus? The score is definately interesting though, in that it is so out of line with all the other reviewers opinions.

    I'm not complaining though, its not like I can afford an xbox 360 within the next year, just curious.

  • brainbird #24 6 years ago

    I didn't expect much of Kameo, but I'm still disappointed.

  • mouse Verified Graphic designer, Eurogamer Network #25 6 years ago

    The review seems a little harsh in that its main complaint is it 'helps you too much'

    That wasn't the main complaint of the review at all.
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 14:23

  • #26 6 years ago

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

  • Hicksy #27 6 years ago

    Sadly I have to agree with the control / camera issues

    I'm going to stick with it tho because I do lover fantasy settings :)

  • Carlo #28 6 years ago

    So is this an example of "You can't polish a turd" for the 360?

  • onyxbox #29 6 years ago

    I just knew this was going to be a Star Fox Adventures re-make.

    Rare just don't have it anymore and Nintendo knew it!


    p.s. 360's current games lineup is looking very 'meh' isn't it?

  • Inquisitor #30 6 years ago

    Well about 3 paragraphs seem to be spent on it, therefor it must be a pretty big complaint.

  • yorkiebar #31 6 years ago

    I have to say that, in the light of all the other reviews of Kameo, this one does seem a little harsh. Then again, it's all mushrooms, isn't it? Some people love 'em, some people detest 'em, some people think they're just for pizza.

    Personally, I was looking forward to Kameo in a curious kind of way, but it's slipped down my priority rate - behind PGR 3, COD2 and PD0 - which I'm getting in my launch package anyway.

    I also think people are hoping way too much for this generation of games. Sure, they're gonna be all shiny and sparkly in lovely new ways, but a platform game is still going to be a platform, a racer is still a racer, and an EA game is still a shameless tie-in.
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 14:30

  • Artemus #32 6 years ago

    Quick! MS fanboys better rate the game 10 to make up for this travesty.

  • Retroid #33 6 years ago

    "And... and... YOU CALL THAT A CAMERA??"

    Ah, good ol' Rare - they never could do a good third person camera, could they?

    /Remembers screaming at the TV in frustration as the 'camera' gets stuck(!) behind a ceiling beam(!) whilst playing Conker on his N64

  • KingOfSpain #34 6 years ago

    FUCK ME!!

  • caligari #35 6 years ago

    Wow, I thought Gamespot and IGN reviews are usually very good.

    Good if you like Ice Hockey.

    Or Basketball.

    Or Baseball.

    Or American Football.

    Or Basketball.

    Or Ice Hockey.

    Or Basketball.

    Or *snip*

  • Zomoniac #36 6 years ago

    I've finished the first level and boss from the demo four times now. It might not be a huge revolution in terms of gameplay, but anyone who cancels their pre-order based on this review should be shot, it's a brilliant, brilliant game.

  • yorkiebar #37 6 years ago

    y'see? it's all mushrooms.

  • Shinji #38 6 years ago

    Fair point. There certainly are some types of mushrooms which could help to improve the experience of playing this game :)

  • Chimpus #39 6 years ago

    Sounds good :-)

  • Teeth #40 6 years ago

    "If you ask me, it's not the review that's antagonising the "xbox fanboys" it's the torrent of comments here all saying "Ohh all the fanboys are coming now..." and "Ooo make it a 10 or else the fanboys will be pissed".

    Sort it out chaps."

    That is just so much crap Slurpy. Have you actually been reading the comments sections the last few months? I find it hard to believe you have. If you had, you'd realise what you just said is complete bollocks. The Xbox fannies have been shitting up pretty much every thread on the front page for the last 2 months now. It's been right depressing.

  • bivith #41 6 years ago

    I wasn't going to get this anyway, and had no interest in it as I'm not a huge platformer fan, but I was waiting to see if Eurogamer would maintain their form... and they have!

    They put their foot in it with the PS3 "The real next gen" bollocks, and have been trying to justify it since.
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 14:37

  • Eighthours #42 6 years ago

    One thing's for sure: I'm getting ringside seats for the PD0 review! ;)

  • Wobble #43 6 years ago

    one better than conker then...

    gaah, this was my only non-slipped launch title on pre-order :(

    /looks forward to playing with the blades, oh and Joust. :p

  • lennon #44 6 years ago

    @Slurpy. Your dead right about that. The whole sad parade of goading people who might enjoy something different to them continues....

    Anyway Im still buying it.

  • rauper Verified Managing Director, Eurogamer Network #45 6 years ago

    "U2_Master_Chief" has been banned from this website about 3 times under various names already, so this is why his comments are about to disappear.

  • jack_klugman #46 6 years ago

    IGN and Gamespot, I don't think they deserve any less respect than EG for reviews.

    Of course they do. Don't be simple.

  • lemonfist #47 6 years ago

    Starfox Adventures all over again!

  • thegamesthething #48 6 years ago

    "I don't see how the horse sections can be that pointless, surely the same could be said about collosus?"

    now dont go dissing the mighty SotC - the same boss battles 16 times and fuck-all else are easily worth a 20, never mind a 10

  • jack_klugman #49 6 years ago

    The Xbox fannies have been shitting up

    "Fanny" as a variant of "fanboy" is teh special.

  • drumbaby #50 6 years ago

    Ooof!

  • tengu #51 6 years ago

    Worst Gamecube game ever?

  • lennon #52 6 years ago

    Starfox Adventures all over again! - Sounds fine to me. One of my favourite Gamecube games.

  • Kiigan #53 6 years ago

    Good review, if a bit too long.

    One of my pet hates in game design is when the player is constantly led by the nose and patronised. There's a time and a place for tutorials, and feedback / recognition is all well and good, but by far the majority of players prefer to learn by direct experimentation. Don't assume gamers are complete morons - they have a controller in their hand, and they are very likely to press the buttons on it to see what happens when they do.

    I'll be skipping Kameo, anyway.

  • Pac #54 6 years ago

    "Also don't you think that if the tutorial never ends the game never starts? "

    I couldn't agree more

    I was hoping that this game would live up to expectations, as it is one of the more "original" titles at launch.

    However the constant "walk through" mechanic sounds like it would age the game very quickly for me.

    Might have to rethink the pre-order on this occasion

    I hope PDZ gets a better review.

  • thegamesthething #55 6 years ago

    "That game is not worthy of such a comment and it has nothing to do with Kameo. Its design heralds from a completely different school."

    hahahaha - good thing you avoided any pomposity there

  • Inigo #56 6 years ago

    LOL, i've just seen the reader review scores. Some gave it 10, some 1, and some 5. Nice and balanced opinion :)

  • sdvksbhv #57 6 years ago

    Maybe someone should tell him that you can turn the hints off completely!! Go on, someone tell him! Some of these journos need to go back to school and actually finish it!

  • Wrobel #58 6 years ago

    The new reader score seems pretty pointless to me if people are just going to vote along fanboy lines.

  • rinoaMW #59 6 years ago

    gakk... oh dear... still gonna buy it tho... enjoyed the demo on the pod in GAME...

  • thegamesthething #60 6 years ago

    "Maybe someone should tell him that you can turn the hints off completely!! Go on, someone tell him! Some of these journos need to go back to school and actually finish it!"

    lol, why bother - this is the same journo who put up an article about only 12 xbox games being compatible with the 360 in japan, and then questioning how many would be compatible here, when the answer (156 initially) had been in full view for about a week

    who needs thought when you can editorialize?

  • Shinji #61 6 years ago

    My god, you Xbox fanboys can be boring. Turning off the text hints doesn't address what he's talking about in the review, namely the constant handholding and "teach, repeat, forget" design around all the various abilities in the game. Those are fundamental design flaws, not something that you fix in the options box.

    Still, I guess now that the fanboy contingent has *DEMANDED* that we stop publishing reviews from people who are widely considered to be among the most talented and intelligent reviewers on the net, we'd better get our skates on and meet their demands before they carry out their DASTARDLY PLANS, eh?

  • alimokrane #62 6 years ago

    a 5 ... that's a bit harsh ? I would personally give it a 7 but its definately not 5 come on !!! ....

  • Eighthours #63 6 years ago

    It's official: FIFA Street is better than Kameo.

  • rauper Verified Managing Director, Eurogamer Network #64 6 years ago

    Eighthours: I don't think anyone would disagree with that

    (That comment was tongue in cheek... don't start... :) )

  • Carrybagma #65 6 years ago

    Didn't Mario Sunshine offer the same 'hints' to each level? Are you saying that this game is simply horribly unsubtle?

    I'm sad - It's easy to knock Rare now (and Microsoft) but I was really hoping that Rare could pull a big Shine out of the hat.

    Is it going to turn out to be the case that the only thing to genuinely look forward to on 360 is Halo? Again?

  • thegamesthething #66 6 years ago

    ah yes but those other sites dont have the most talented and intelligent reviewers on the net do they?

    lol get over yourselves

  • rauper Verified Managing Director, Eurogamer Network #67 6 years ago

    Eighthours: BTW I saw your comment on rllmuk, but I don't know where you got the idea of a fractious relationship between us and Bizarre from. We have consistently rated their games highly.

  • sdvksbhv #68 6 years ago

    Shinji. You need to realise that not all games are aimed at 20something year old males and reviews should be conducted objectively and not necessarily in the direct opinion of the reviewer. This is fundemental of any review process.

    What about all the 10 - 14 year olds that want to play a game that is quite straight forward? And contains more action than difficult puzzles? Will they still see this game as a 5 out of 10? Or the 20 - 25 year old girls who haven't played games much before? Will they still think this is a 5 out of 10 or will they actually really enjoy it?

  • PearOfAnguish #69 6 years ago

    Told ya so...

  • Carrybagma #70 6 years ago

    My god, you Xbox fanboys can be boring.

    Hahahahahahahaha! Sweaty, horny Xbox fanboys if you please!

    Seriously - calm down. What did you expect?

    ED: Oops
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 15:50

  • Carlo #71 6 years ago

    LeD... What are you doing?

  • Teeth #72 6 years ago

    @LeD: Jesus one minute you're being so sensible and normal and the next you're a complete dick!
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 15:31

  • PearOfAnguish #73 6 years ago

    What about all the 10 - 14 year olds that want to play a game that is quite straight forward? And contains more action than difficult puzzles? Will they still see this game as a 5 out of 10? Or the 20 - 25 year old girls who haven't played games much before? Will they still think this is a 5 out of 10 or will they actually really enjoy it?

    What about people who have no hands, or are blind? This should be 1/10! They can't enjoy it. What a disgrace.

  • tengu #74 6 years ago

    Considering Rare's track record... How is this review a surprise?

    Notice I said review, not score. Focusing on the final score is pointless.

  • Eighthours #75 6 years ago

    Eighthours: BTW I saw your comment on rllmuk, but I don't know where you got the idea of a fractious relationship between us and Bizarre from. We have consistently rated their games highly.

    Rated games highly, yes (the last one was 2 years ago though, remember), but I've detected a fair degree of friction between you and them in the past few months. Perhaps my recollections are mistaken.

  • Pac #76 6 years ago

    @sdvksbhv

    Clearly EG cannot (and should not) review games from the perspective of a 14 year old. The reviewers can only give their own opinion, from their own perspective (bitter, twisted old journalists - only joking!!)

    Hopefully its readers will have the sense to know whether they are likely to agree with the review or not based on what is said.

  • smelly #77 6 years ago

    cant resist...

    Rare were only good when nintendo were holding their hands and advising how to make their games good :-)

  • Goodfella #78 6 years ago

    5/10, seriously you rate this game that low but you rate Fifa Street much higher, you gave King Kong a 9/10, what a joke - the game is average at best, but oh the movie is out soon isn't it, maybe a little bit of a backhander there.

    Eurogamer, you have surpassed yourself with your extremely biased inept reviewers, *walks off shaking head and laughing*
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 15:39

  • Shinji #79 6 years ago

    reviews should be conducted objectively and not necessarily in the direct opinion of the reviewer. This is fundemental of any review process.

    I'm sorry, but that's nonsense in my view. A review is one person's opinion - what's expected is simply that a professional reviewer will argue the reasoning behind his opinion in an effective, logical and well-informed manner. Anyone bandies around the word "objective" in respect to reviews of media and entertainment products either doesn't understand the word, or hasn't thought much about what they're saying.

    The point about younger players is potentially interesting, except that it's still no excuse for the way that the design of this game is structured. There are giant, gaping flaws here in how it leads you by the hand - abilities which you're taught and only use once, sections where massively unsubtle direction is used to hide the fact that the puzzle solutions are completely illogical. The review says all of this, and yet people seem to be decided it's about the text hints, when it clearly isn't...

  • sdvksbhv #80 6 years ago

    PearOfAnguish, that is a ridiculous comment.

    Kameo is a broad appeal game. It should be reviewed in this manner, and consider all people that have or could have an active interest in games.

  • Hunam85 #81 6 years ago

    played this today, eurgh

  • vane101 #82 6 years ago

    Ok, I haven't seen the game running but I'm very suspicious when one site marks down a game that everyone else states is at least half decent. Sounds like just wanting to be different for different's sake like some bratish kid.

    /strike off reading list for Xbox 360 reviews

  • Shinji #83 6 years ago

    Bizarre:
    I've detected a fair degree of friction between you and them in the past few months

    Nah, not at all. Seriously. We love the Bizarre guys, and are all really big PGR fans. Last time I saw them was when myself and Tom went to see PGR3 in Tokyo back in September, and they didn't try to punch us or anything :)

  • jack_klugman #84 6 years ago

    What about all the 10 - 14 year olds that want to play a game that is quite straight forward? Will they still see this game as a 5 out of 10?

    That maybe the biggest flaw of this review, especially in light of other reviews published.

    The flaw of not being written by a 14 year old? Like at IGN?

  • DarthCheesiest #85 6 years ago

    Ratchet and Clank 8/10
    Jak and Daxter 9/10
    Kameo 5/10

    For the few minutes I played Kameo, I thought that it was reasonably good, but with underwhelming graphics. It wasn't as disappointing as the other two which had sloppy controls and off-putting cheesiness.

  • Darren #86 6 years ago

    Is this the same game that IGN and GameSpot gave 8.4 and 8.8 respectively to? The game is getting averaging 7/10 from other websites and magazines so how come EG think it's only deserving of an average score?!?

  • discoMishap #87 6 years ago

    Okay, something went a bit wrong when I tried to post it last time.

    RE: the target audience being 10-14 year olds - or GIRLS, perish the thought

    One of the most depressing things I got out of my initial playtime was that the level design is so linear, with layouts designed so tightly around your fairly limited abilities, that you're pretty much buggered if you've not been weaned on platformers for the last ten years. Not many 10-14 year olds are going to systematically flick through each of the characters and try out each of their abilities just to progress a further couple of yards only to have to start the whole process over again for the next "puzzle". It's just not fun.

    Even more unforgivable, the controls are so rigidly exacting that when you think you've found a solution to a problem, you can easily dismiss it out of hand because the game doesn't react in the way it should.

    Boo, frankly.
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 15:45

  • Eighthours #88 6 years ago

    For the few minutes I played Kameo, I thought that it was reasonably good, but with underwhelming graphics.

    Surely the one thing that can't be argued about, is that the graphics are outstanding?!

  • vane101 #89 6 years ago

    @Darren

    As I said, EG just trying to be different for the sake of it. That's how you lose credibility with your review scores.

  • PearOfAnguish #90 6 years ago

    Is this the same game that IGN and GameSpot gave 8.4 and 8.8 respectively to? The game is getting averaging 7/10 from other websites and magazines so how come EG think it's only deserving of an average score?!?

    You may struggle with this difficult concept, but consider the idea that many sites and mags have been giving high scores because a) it's a new system and they're all excited and b) they don't want to piss off MS.

  • Darren #91 6 years ago

    I've just seen someone mention THAT FIFA Street review score of 7/10 above, which does highlight the inconsistent review scores on EG if we are to believe it is considered to be a better game than Kameo! :?

    Kameo is receiving generally positive reviews yet FIFA Street was slated by everyone else. Now I know EG are entitled to their own opinions but having spent over 30 minutes playing Kameo I know it isn't a 5/10 game for me.

    I find I tend to agree with GameSpot's reviews more than I do EG's and that being the case it means I can no longer rely on EG for reviews as I tend to disagree with them more than agree with them these days. Sorry!

  • ST.. #92 6 years ago

    So......it scores great everywhere else except EG? hmmm......

  • PearOfAnguish #93 6 years ago

    Bye Darren! *cries*

  • Pac #94 6 years ago

    @vane101

    "/strike off reading list for Xbox 360 reviews "

    I thought you had left due to a difference in opinion between you and EG 360 reviews?

    You weren't gone long.

    /lets have a play on it before we make any rash decisions eh!

  • fluff_the_tiger #95 6 years ago

    hmmm 5/10 - what a joke is correct - eurogamer seem to be going through a bitter and cynical slump similar to Edge a couple of years ago. Hire some people that are passionate about games, not depressed near-thirtysomethings.

    Underrated.

  • Inigo #96 6 years ago

    I for one read EG because i trust there reviews. They never have let me down and don't get sucked in by hype. See Halo review for another example.

  • Pac #97 6 years ago

    "Bye Darren! *cries* "

    Lol

  • Eighthours #98 6 years ago

    By the way, even though I may end up not agreeing with this review (or the PGR3 one for that matter), I'm still glad that there is one site on the Web which doesn't just follow the sheep, and has a distinctive voice of its own. It always makes it interesting to come here.

    So, though I often sound like I'm beating up on EG, I do love the site, which is why I come back every day.

  • Darren #99 6 years ago

    PearOfAnguish - That could well have been true had it not been for the fact that both IGN and GameSpot have rated some 360 games low, e.g. NBA Live 06 got 5.9 and FIFA 06: RtWC got just 6.0.

    Perhaps you think that those sites just hate EA? /wink/

    The point is over the years I've found that I trust GameSpot in particular (IGN do have a tendency to overrate at times) and having played Kameo I know that I like it.

    At the end of the day, a review is a subjective thing, yes, but if you find yourself disageeing with the reviews on a website constantly, as I do with EG, then what's the point in reading it? It's no longer a reliable source of opinions for me. Even Edge, harsh as they are, gave Kameo 7/10. I think that says it all for me really...
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 16:00

  • IP #100 6 years ago

    From what I've heard from people who aren't rabid fan-boys, this rating is, if anything, a little easy on the game. Frankly, I find it a shame that so many here are seemingly angry about EG actually giving an honest opinion of the game (and that's what it is—an OPINION). I think it's great that this publication still realises that there are numbers underneath 6 in the scale and that it's willing to use them when a game disappoints. (Note also that many of the other existing reviews were written before the game was complete, and some are clearly hyped-up rubbish, written after a couple of hours of play and nothing more.)

    Ultimately, there are going to be plenty of buyers for this tripe anyway, convincing themselves that it's great when, in their heart of hearts, they know that it really isn't.

    Give it a decade or so any every single gaming publication will be giving everything 10/10 at this rate—even Driver 8.

  • djchump #101 6 years ago

    meh.

  • BillGaitas #102 6 years ago

    I dont think the game can be that bad. In my view Eurogamer just got carried away on abusing the fanboys(of $ony and M$)?

    Yes, they deserve it, just look

    Average reader score
    5.6 / 10 (19 votes) --> meaning 19 retards voted

    The question is, does the game deserve such a low rate?

    Because you have to wonder what other games had an 5

  • Bertie Verified Senior Staff Writer, Eurogamer.net #103 6 years ago

    Write your own review of this game

    No thanks, I'd rather imply that you're wrong!

  • PearOfAnguish #104 6 years ago

    Yes, you're right. Every review has been completely honest and not at all influenced by the numerous press trips, games and free consoles that Microsoft has been handing out as if it were some sort of electronic halloween and the 360 a jumbo-size chocolate bar.

  • smelly #105 6 years ago

    See Halo review for another example.

    If you REALLY want to see how much people got suckered in by the hype.. read EGamers Halo review.. Which is good and honest.

    Then read any other websites review of it, giving it 10/10 and stuff.

    Then read those same websites review of the PC version.. where it get 6/10, etc etc..

  • Goodfella #106 6 years ago

    IP, that's bollocks, explain the score of 8/10 for Fifa Street if you would, then explain how Kameo gets 5/10 !

  • sdvksbhv #107 6 years ago

    Shinji.

    So how are games such as Barbie Horse Adventure or Bratz ever reviewed???? And before you say, EG don't review them. Why not? I'll tell you why. Because they don't have "talented and intelligent" journos working for them and are unable to see games from other angles.

  • PearOfAnguish #108 6 years ago

    IP, that's bollocks, explain the score of 8/10 for Fifa Street if you would, then explain how Kameo gets 5/10 !

    Different reviewers, different opinions. Have a little think about that.

    The writers names are on these reviews for a reason, people.

  • Pac #109 6 years ago

    I think, if you take an average of the EG score (5) and the Edge score (7) you have got a pretty good idea of how average this title is.

    I am disappointed too, but not enough to start saying EG reviews are shite.

  • IP #110 6 years ago

    Wow, thanks for your constructive comment, Goodfella—it made me all warm and melty inside. As for "IP, that's bollocks, explain the score of 8/10 for Fifa Street if you would, then explain how Kameo gets 5/10 !", I've not played either game so I'm not really in a position to comment. However, as PearOfAnguish rightly says, it's not like EG is some mind-hive—it's a collection of DIFFERENT people with DIFFERENT opinions and DIFFERENT interests with regards to games. Surprisingly, they may have DIFFERENT opinions to your own. My point was that, by and large, I think this site is pretty honest and generally falls for type less than a lot of the others out there.

    With regards to Kameo in particular, I'm just going by the opinion of people I trust, and said people have opined more or less along the same lines as EG, although EG was a little more positive than them.
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 16:15

  • Goodfella #111 6 years ago

    Fair enought Pairofanguish, but there is such a thing as an unbiased and balanced review, and all reviews should be as such when you are an established (non specific fansite) site such as Eurolamer.

    Edit: IP, who did they get to review Kameo, someone who hates platformer/adventure games no doubt, who reviewed King Kong ? did he get a package with a big fat cheque in it ?
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 16:18

  • BillGaitas #112 6 years ago

    Since there are people in this forum rating this game I wonder if Dead or Alive 4 will apear on the "Reader Reviews" before its released : )

    This forum must have a lot of important persons ; )

  • Eighthours #113 6 years ago

    J Allard (Zen-Master) has certainly been disappointed by some of the Kameo reviews. He told IGN today that reviewers were "rushing through it" for review, and not taking the time to appreciate it. Of course, Allard is a self-confessed Kameo fanboy!!

  • rauper Verified Managing Director, Eurogamer Network #114 6 years ago

    "So how are games such as Barbie Horse Adventure or Bratz ever reviewed???? And before you say, EG don't review them. Why not? I'll tell you why. Because they don't have "talented and intelligent" journos working for them and are unable to see games from other angles."

    Er, no it's because our readers aren't interested in Barbie Horse Adventure or Bratz.

  • lennon #115 6 years ago

    "meh" - I love the intellectuals this site attracts!

  • Royal Fool #116 6 years ago

    disc:
    I'm also of the school that hate tutorials for every little thing. One of the reasons I couldnt enjoy Prince of Persia.

    I always thought the hand-holding in PoP was very minimal and transparent. The sequences before each level were merely to show you the layout, it was up to you to time all the puzzles and get there in one piece. I personally kind of liked the way it was presented, at least the Prince didn't directly speak to the player and tell him which button to press or gave you a tedious lecture about how to use a particular ability.

    The main thing I didn't like were the horribly stretched-out fight scenes and not enough brilliant puzzles.

  • oerhoert #117 6 years ago

    Having a good time here realizing how many people just can't accept that Kameo may actually be Not That Good (TM), even if the ALMIGHTY GameSpot and IGN said so.

    I've played it for some hours, and it gets boring pretty fast. Perhaps it will get better later in the game, but it's quite obvious that it's no Wind Waker, or Ocarina of Time, or Beyond Good & Evil for that matter.

    Yes, it may have a target audience of 14-year olds -- but I don't see how that should be an excuse. It's not as if 14-year-olds are more fond of broken games than the rest of us.

  • Teeth #118 6 years ago

    It's like you guys that are so angry are just completely not seeing that 8/10 for PGR3 up there by the same reviewer. Everything has to be highly rated for your darling new system.

    Get real!

  • PearOfAnguish #119 6 years ago

    "meh" - I love the intellectuals this site attracts!

    I particularly like 'Eurolamer'. It's clever! I'm also going to start calling the 360 the Xbox3-shitty and the PS3 the PisS3.

    This is fun!

  • AOFanboi #120 6 years ago

    There seems to be three types of people criticizing the numerical score (ignoring the review text) here:
    1) People who believe in Santa Claus and objective reviews
    2) People who mistakenly think the 5 is average at those other sites (it's really 7 or 8)
    3) Fanboys who think that their beloved Rare or Microsoft can do no wrong

    Grow the plook up.

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #121 6 years ago

    "I'm not just trying to understand how Tom's opinion can differ so widely from other established game reviewers. He's of course entitled to not like the game and say so, but it feels odd when you've read other reviews praising the varied and original puzzles, the lush game environments, etc."

    ALLOW ME TO TRANSLATE.

    "It's alright for reviewers to have different opinions, but I don't understand how they can't all be the same."

    Tsk.

    Kameo is *shit*, by the way. Tom is a big softy Rare-loving gaylord.

  • BillGaitas #122 6 years ago

    Quote of the Day:

    "I'm also going to start calling the 360 the Xbox3-shitty and the PS3 the PisS3" PearOfAnguish

  • Eighthours #123 6 years ago

    Someone on Gamesradar has come up with a list of games "better" than Kameo, which includes:

    Fifa: Street
    James Bond 007: From Russia With Love
    Madagascar
    Fantastic 4
    Big Mutha Truckers 2: Truck Me Harder
    Armies of Exigo
    Ridge Racer DS
    Harry Potter: Quidditch World Cup
    Dog's Life

    This list is clearly an argument for no review scores at all, so that we can consider the text!!

  • Teeth #124 6 years ago

    Here are some more you could use if you like.

    PoS3 - stating the fact that the new Sony console is not a complicated electronic device but is in fact, a turd
    Shitbox 360 - implying that the new console from MS is actually filled with faeces
    BS3 - suggesting that perhaps everything, if not most, information and more importantly the console itself is a lie
    XBollocks 360 - proving that liking the Xbox 360 is akin to placing a hairy pair of testicles under your new HD telly
    GayStation3 - in reference to how only homosexuals could possibly like the PlayStation 3
    Ex-box 360 - in reference to how soon the PS3 will have the 360 off the market

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #125 6 years ago

    The thing is, those games ARE all better than Kameo. *Even Big Mutha Truckers 2*.

  • ClansOfIntrigue #126 6 years ago

    Most games reviewers are brainless simpletons who get sucked in by hype, or try to guess what everybody else will give the game so nobody can say they don't know what they're doing (more than anyone else).

    EG is, happily, one of the few exceptions - even if I disagree with a review, I know it's sincere and the reasons behind the score will be well explained.

  • bivith #127 6 years ago

    "EG is, happily, one of the few exceptions "

    *LOL*

    Have you forgotten the spooge over the killzone2 pre-renders or "The real next gen"!!

    EG are as susceptable to hype as anyone else!

  • jack_klugman #128 6 years ago

    Teeth, does your profile picture declare that you are the happiest "guy" in the world or a uniquely jolly homosexual?

  • Gouki #129 6 years ago

    Dont worry the game is not that bad. I have just figured out why such a harsh score, so eurogamer gets more attention on their site.


    regardless of this review please all 360 owners to be try if first if YOU like it get it reviews are only there as a guid line and as much as there are bad games out there. There are also bad reviews!!!!!!!!!!
    Edited by 2 at 22/11/05 @ 21:32

  • PearOfAnguish #130 6 years ago

    I've had the chance to play this game for more than 2 days (huh eurogamer). Granted its a bit short but 5 out of 10. you P***KS you couldnt review a game to save your lives!!!!

    Dorks.


    no i'm not a 360 fanboy i prefer my pc but i have been lucky to play this for some time and when i see w*nkers giving it 5 out of 10ing it p*sses me off.


    It's always nice to read a balanced and intelligent critique.

  • jiveguy #131 6 years ago

    The appearance of Stuart Cambpell can only mean one thing...Gillen isn't far behind.

  • Teeth #132 6 years ago

    jack_klugman: guy, I think. Pretty sure :)

  • Bertie Verified Senior Staff Writer, Eurogamer.net #133 6 years ago

    I just like to sit here and soak up the atmosphere, I barely even bother to read a review. Every so often I'll scroll down and catch a glimpse of a score, it might be of a game I've played. Sometimes I see a score that's really low, it's then that I'm rudely awoken from my atmospherical-daze. It's then that I know I have to stand with my hand on my heart and tell the world what I think.

    I think it's important to strike whilst the iron's hot, lets have the reviewer explain here why he's given the game such a score. For I will not leave without a reason.

  • BremXJones #134 6 years ago

    Haven't played any of 'em, so I'm keeping my mouth tightly shut.

    KG

  • HocusPocus1 #135 6 years ago

    I always like a very cynical review of a game to counter balance the overly positive ones. However I don't agree with your rating of this game. I've played Kameo and I've been pulled in by it. I'm not proclaiming it to be a perfect game, and I hated the camera in a few areas. However the graphics, the characters, and the gameplay have all really clicked for me. To me Kameo is the definition of a game that deserves an 8 out of 10. Please continue though to be my cynical Xbox 360 review source. I used you as such for the Xbox and always knew I would find every nitpick and problem with the game brought to my attention here in bold letters. That's not a bad thing, but I don't use you that way for any of the other platforms you cover to be honest. I have other sites for my negative Nintendo and negative Sony perspectives. Would be nice to find one site for all 3 ;).

  • Bertie Verified Senior Staff Writer, Eurogamer.net #136 6 years ago

    Hold on a second, what's all this text above the score...

  • SirScratchalot #137 6 years ago

    Well I liked it.... :(
    Can´t find fault with the review though, guess I just wighed everything a´little differently...

  • mrpsb #138 6 years ago

    mohh

  • Nikanoru #139 6 years ago

    And that, my friends, is why the "HD era" is a big bucket of irrelevant bullshit.

  • lucky_jim #140 6 years ago

    God will everyone please just STOP WHINING ABOUT EG'S REVIEWS! I've been reading games reviews since I was eight, which unfortunately is now 18 whole years ago (eek that's scary). That means I've read an awful lot of reviews by a huge range of people, and imo Eurogamer's are among the best. There's plenty of places that publish reviews structured like my sixth form essays, going "this game is good for the following reasons... bad for these reasons... and to sum up, if you like this sorta thing you'll like this". Just look at the official mags for starters. It's safe, lazy writing which is easy to churn out, won't upset anyone too much, and would probably get the seal of approval from the people complaining about this review. It also doesn't tell you anything useful about the writer's opinion of the game or whether they enjoyed playing it, which is exactly what I want to know.

    There's no "bias" here, just opinion. If you disagree, can't you do so without questioning the integrity of the site or the reviewer? The shrill, hysterical call of the paranoid fanboy has reached such a pitch in these comments threads lately, that it's kinda ruining them. That's a real shame as they were one of the site's treats not so long ago.

    For what it's worth, I actually figured from this review that I'd probably quite enjoy Kameo. Being one of the few people who actually quite like Starfox Adventures [hangs head in shame], I've got to admit I've always got room in my collection for one game which won't be challenging or do anything new, but looks pretty and is easy to deal with after a smoke. How'd I figure that out? Well, I read the review, taking into account my own opinions and experiences, accepted that the criticisms were valid but wouldn't really spoil my enjoyment too much, and- here's the tricky part- made up my own mind! Try it, you'll find it makes you look at your absurd conspiracy theories in a new light.

    [/rant mode off] phew I feel better! Thanks everyone!

  • yorkiebar #141 6 years ago

    I have to say I find all this "fanboy" "antifanboy" ranting hugely nostalgic. We did just the same thing back in the eighties with Spectrums and C64's. Eeeee... it takes me back.... (drinks cocoa, puts slippers on, lights pipe...)

  • Lost_in_Darkness #142 6 years ago

    love the score

  • Scimarad #143 6 years ago

    Can anybody tell me if there is an upper limit to the amount of people you can ignore? I'm starting to think this may be a pressing matter...

  • tengu #144 6 years ago

    Okay, I had another go on this after work, and I've had a decent enough play of the thing to form an opinion on the game, and honestly, I think this review was a bit too harsh on it.

    It's far from perfect, feeling quite slow to control initially, but I can see the full game being entertaining enough for a while... probably not enough to justify the inflated price tag on 360 games, but certainly enough to make it worth playing.

    Based on what I've played(which isn't the full game admittedly) I'd say this is a 7 game, but I fully respect Mr Bramwell's opinion and right to score it however he wishes.

  • TiTaniXNEz #145 6 years ago

    GET AWAY FROM MR. T's BINS!!!!

  • GuiltySpark #146 6 years ago

    i dont understand why everyone is dissing the score..

    just because YOU dont like it doesnt make it wrong you idiots.

    this is supposed to be a next gen game........of course expectations are gonna be high but that doesnt mean that it still cant be below average.

    your all just probably pissed cos youve already wasted £45 on a mediocre game

  • Xerx3s #147 6 years ago

    The only thing i can say is, why are EG's xbx always far lower than other sites? I dont know what to think now. Ive played quite a bit of the demo pod lvl and quite liked it (would give it a 7). Was never botherd by the cam thing and such....

    Teeth, your forgetting the sony fanboys. Or is it oke for them to shit up everything? ....

    Meh. Sony fanboys. Xbx fanboys. Perhaps they should organise a meet so they could club eachother with joypads (original xbx controllers not allowed!).
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 18:39

  • Moz #148 6 years ago

    I noticed a few times through these posts people say "Rare's lost it" WHAT! have you guys seen PDZ?? Not been reviewed here yet but else where it has good reports.

    Also some of the critisum (like the help system) of Kameo are very harsh, this game is aimed at a slightly younger audence then alot of the launch line up, it was never ment to be overly complex or involving, it's ment to be FUN which if the demo is anything to go by is what it is.

    Reviewers every seem to have lost they're way, I would give the game 7 or 8 as it does miss it's mark alittle. But just cos a game doesn't have "Grown up appeal" doesn't make it a bad game.

    If reviewers keep slating games designer for younger peeps just because they don't like them, then what are younger peeps going to do for games to play.

    Film reviewers are capable of reviewing a kids film and give it a high score why can't games reviewers do the same.

    Personally I'm getting Kameo anyway cos I like brightly coloured cartoony simple fun games from time to time. The likes of CoD2 some times get a little boged down in realisum and difficulty bring back the fun.

  • Syrette #149 6 years ago

    did this reviewer not give FIFA Street 8/10?

  • BremXJones #150 6 years ago

    "Film reviewers are capable of reviewing a kids film and give it a high score why can't games reviewers do the same."

    They can do the same, which is why the Zeldas are cited among the best games of all time.

    KG

  • lemonfist #151 6 years ago

    ROFL

  • tengu #152 6 years ago

    "did this reviewer not give FIFA Street 8/10?"

    No.

  • joey #153 6 years ago

    If you get this far, then, WELL DONE. I did and so did you so we both should get a pat on the back.

    What a load of toss. Did anyone actually have anything much to say about the game, nope, not really, more about the reviewer. So perhaps we should all start reviewing the reviewer.

    I give this game 1/10, and anyone who gets it is gay and smells a bit of stale cheese.

  • Calgon #154 6 years ago

    Ok for all those people who slip in "Im not anti MS but..." or "Im not a Sony Fanboy but.." that just a way for you rag on the Xbox360, appear more open minded and more informed than you really are. Well you're not youve not played xbox360 or the games yourself have you? I really am going to be here on the run up to PS3's launch to tell everyone how un-nextgen the games are and how stupid the fans are. Stop defending EG.... this place is slipping, granted this is next gen and expectations are high... but does every launch title have to be groundbreaking to get a fair review and a decent score? No it doesnt even Greg Kassovin loves this game and he's always underscoring Xbox games its a light hearted, colourfull and fun game from the impression he gives(who gives a fudge how long theve had, review the game for what it is... its there infront of you now and thats all that matters unless you were paying their wages. You shouldnt take points off for how long it took them) .

    My point? 5 my ass Im not going to buy the game(infact Im gonna have to wait on buying a Xbox360 till I have the money) but a 5 is saying the game its not worth playing at all, which is not what the rest of the people who have played it are saying which is its FUN and visually appealing but not alot new about the core gameplay aspects.

    EG seem to have been feeding the Sony Zombies recently who are trying to forget the fact that they have to wait till the end of next year most likely according to new resports(did EG report that roumer... EG Staff:"oh no we cant have that, sounds slightly negative towards Sony, we only do that with MS. We will post whatever Sony says and try and back them up in any which way we can";)

    Im going to leave it there because this is after all just one of the games they didnt like but even so an unfair score which happens I guess... could be that this is a one off. I'll wait for more reviews of the other games from EG before I make my mind up completley about where EG are heading, Ive stoped taking their non-news about Xbox360 in their articles seriously already which it seems most have except sony fanboys.
    Edited by 2 at 22/11/05 @ 19:35

  • tengu #155 6 years ago

    You're an idiot.

  • speedstars13 #156 6 years ago

    Ha-ha.

  • Carrybagma #157 6 years ago

    What Sony Zombies?

    Fuck-all Sony Zombies post on this forum these days - they've all gone into hibernation or they're banging on the gates of Cell. This site is only pro-Sony in that once-upon-a-time they were suckered by a Killzone mock-up and headlined an article with words that will be used to slap them like a wet fish. Good fun, but anyone who seriously believes it belongs in the spunk-pit with the other Xealots.

    This site is full of Nintendo fanboys.

  • PearOfAnguish #158 6 years ago

    EG seem to have been feeding the Sony Zombies recently who are trying to forget the fact that they have to wait till the end of next year most likely according to new resports(did EG report that roumer... EG Staff:"oh no we cant have that, sounds slightly negative towards Sony, we only do that with MS. We will post whatever Sony says and try and back them up in any which way we can";)

    Here's a discussion that probably didn't take place at EG:

    "So lads, the Xbox 360 is out tomorrow. It's hugely anticipated and the biggest news event of the year...who's up for posting some non-existent news about a new console from Sony that's not out for another year and which no one has seen in action? Anybody?"
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 19:16

  • Nikanoru #159 6 years ago

    This site is full of Nintendo fanboys.

    But _everybody_ is a Nintendo fanboy. Unless they're of the age where they have just hit that "if it looks kiddie I dun wan it" stage of puberty.

    But just cos a game doesn't have "Grown up appeal" doesn't make it a bad game.

    You're talking to the wrong people. EG gave Mario Kart a higher rating than PGR3 (and deservedly so).
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 19:24

  • killyourtv #160 6 years ago

    a platform game is still going to be a platform, a racer is still a racer, and an EA game is still a shameless tie-in.

    haha

  • oerhoert #161 6 years ago

    "Reviewers every seem to have lost they're way, I would give the game 7 or 8 as it does miss it's mark alittle. But just cos a game doesn't have "Grown up appeal" doesn't make it a bad game."

    No, but then Tom never picked on it for being for kids, now did he?

  • bootsy_NL_30 #162 6 years ago

    everyone knows EG is a Nintendo site, but still I have to say I didnt think this was such a bad review

  • ilmaestro #163 6 years ago

    I'm quite pleased with the 5. Why? I don't think I would have bothered to read the review if it had been a 7 like everywhere else (and it was a good review, but won't stop me from buying Kameo and trying it out for myself), and the comments section wouldn't have been half as funny :p I'm dissappointed that Kameo isn't a phenomenal game, as it had quietly slipped to the top of my list of launch games with the DOA4 delay, but at least sensible, balanced reviews mean that I won't spend the morning crying into my Cornflakes because I was expecting something extraordinary.

  • Calgon #164 6 years ago

    Tengu you're a monkey

    Pear of anguish um this is a review and you seem to have forgotten the amount a pish disguised as news posted here on the Xbox360 over the past months. Yes there has been news of the PS3 posted elsewhere by other gaming sites. Like the one I mentioned in that post which came from a Sony rep apparently.

    The score is the main problem I have because... not everyone reads the full review they look at the score.
    Edited by 2 at 22/11/05 @ 19:51

  • tengu #165 6 years ago

    You're still an idiot.

  • Ihya #166 6 years ago

    As long as the review explains the reasons for it's opinions as well as it explains what the game is like, you can see where the reviewer is coming from, and if they are coming from the same direction as you.

    This it does. Shut up with this Eurogamer hates the Xbox. The more people chant it, the less people have to think about the real reasons why a game scored badly.

  • ClansOfIntrigue #167 6 years ago

    >> but a 5 is saying the game its not worth playing at all

    I guess if your review scale *starts* at 5, then yeah, a 5 will seem a little low ;)

  • Shinji #168 6 years ago

    The reason we've posted more stuff about the Xbox 360 than the PS3 recently is because there have been more FACTS and INFORMED COMMENT available about the Xbox 360, which is out NOW, than there have for the PS3, which is out FUCK KNOWS WHEN - and we're not in the business of posting news based on rumours started by bored American teenagers with a badly-written blog who have a friend whose older brother works in Wal-Mart's electronics department and once met a man from Sony. Well, a Japanese man anyway, he didn't say he was from Sony but you can draw your own conclusions... Okay, maybe he was Korean, THE POINT STANDS.

  • Calgon #169 6 years ago

    *throws tengu a bannana* There now shut up and F*** OFF :)

    ClansOfIntrigue Oh come on if it would have been a 60-70% then you may have a point but even then very few people would buy a game that scored that low. I realise different places have different scoring systems but 50% even from Eurogamer for a game is telling you to stay away.

    Shinji: If you were refering to the PS3 release date news heres the source http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051105-5530.html :)

    Edited by 2 at 22/11/05 @ 20:06

  • sdvksbhv #170 6 years ago

    Another thing that really really pisses me off. Is when reviewers think they have played the game to its full potential when they actually haven't and then write a review on it.

    Tom! So this easy game. Have you managed to get an 'A' grade in the score attack? In fact, have you managed to get anything higher than an 'E' so far? This is the greatest challenge of the game and is not easy at all no matter how many hints you get.

    Now Kameo is not at all a perfect game, but to give it a 5 is just ridiculous. A quality reviewer will play the game till it has been exhausted. You have not at all!!

  • thegamesthething #171 6 years ago

    SHINJI you dont need to use caps ALL THE TIME to MAKE YOUR POINT, it makes you sound like a 12 YEAR OLD

    and nikanoru,

    "You're talking to the wrong people. EG gave Mario Kart a higher rating than PGR3 (and deservedly so). "

    based on what dude, your extensive online and offline experience of the 2 games in question?
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 20:11

  • The-Bodybuilder #172 6 years ago

    >"rom people who are widely considered to be among the most talented and intelligent reviewers on the net,"

    Got arrogance?
    Really, it's the arrogance amongst the staff that is putting me off this site. I'm not sure if EG did this just to gain some more traffic to thier site (I see you have new alienware ads?)

    I haven't completed this game, but if it were to end where it is now, it does not deserve a 5.

    As another said, I'm beginning to questions EG's reviews more and agreeing.
    I will be returning to this site just to read the pdz review (7-8 from EG no doubt). After that, I will not return.
    You have your own opinion, and you are entitled to it.
    I do not agree with your opinions (recently) and I am entitled to that too.
    I will not waste people's time by just coming here and slagging off EG in every comments. It doesn't help them or anyone else, and it sure doesn't help me.

    So I'll just do the respectable thing and leave. One of my main attractions to this site is the fact that it's based in the UK. Does anyone know any other UK site?

    I'm sorry, but when you have every other reviewer giving the game 7-9 scores, and then have one (addmitedly) arrogant reviewer give the game a 5, you just KNOW something cannot be right.

  • Repsode #173 6 years ago

    Wow, thats the worst review i've seen for it. Most have given it 8/10

  • PearOfAnguish #174 6 years ago

    everyone knows EG is a Nintendo site

    EVERYONE knows that, do they? What do you base this on, then?

    Pear of anguish um this is a review and you seem to have forgotten the amount a pish disguised as news posted here on the Xbox360 over the past months. Yes there has been news of the PS3 posted elsewhere by other gaming sites. Like the one I mentioned in that post which came from a Sony rep apparently.

    Pop quiz:

    Console A is out in a month's time. You've played the games, your review machine arrives in a few days or weeks, there is more than enough news - from devs talking about new titles to the marketing department of the company bigging up the pre-order sales. People are excited about it.

    Console B is out in a year. Maybe. The only news about it is a few months old and amounts to some mockups and tech demos of dubious origin. The rest is just rumours.

    WHICH CONSOLE ARE YOU GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MOST ON YOUR POPULAR GAMING WEBSITE?

    Hint: if you answered B, you're a dimwit.

    The score is the main problem I have because... not everyone reads the full review they look at the score.

    Uhh...well then that's their problem. Are you saying that EG needs to cater for total retards (like yourself?) that haven't quite grasped this whole reading thing yet?

    A quality reviewer will play the game till it has been exhausted. You have not at all!!

    Tell me, does it rain chocolate drops where you are in magical cloud land?
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 20:10

  • Shinji #175 6 years ago

    A quality reviewer will play the game till it has been exhausted.

    You really seem to have a lot of insight into what a REAL, QUALITY, PROPER reviewer would do with a game (all of which would interestingly result in him agreeing with YOUR viewpoint - odd that). It's all nonsense though - you're espousing absolutely ridiculous and impossible theories. Do you think any of the higher-scoring reviews you laud come from people who played this game in the manner you describe? Absolutely not - many of them probably come from people who didn't even bother finishing the game properly, as Tom did.

    A review needs to be based on what a gamer's experience of a title will be, not on the ridiculous, exhaustive ideal that you're suggesting. You're only proving here that despite your authoritative-sounding words, not only do you know nothing about the review process, but you haven't even thought this through very well. I'd quit while I was ahead if I were you.

  • Shinji #176 6 years ago

    when have one (addmitedly) arrogant reviewer give the game a 5, you just KNOW something cannot be right.

    Two things.

    First thing: Tom is not an "arrogant reviewer". He's one of the most self-deprecating chaps I know, and constantly beats himself up over whether he's getting reviews right - whether they're fair, whether they're analytical enough, whether he's covered all the bases, and so on. More so than any other game reviewer I've ever met, he takes it seriously, and like most people who do that with their work, he has regular crises of faith.

    As a result of that, I - and a lot of other people who read his work - think that he's one of the best reviewers out there. That's me saying that, not him. So am I arrogant because I think my friend (and coworker) is an exceptional reviewer? Is he arrogant because I think that? That makes no sense.

    Second Thing. You assume that because our review disagrees with other reviews, ours is wrong. In that case, I welcome you to leave the site, and suggest that if the door does hit you in the arse on the way out, you should probably apply an icepack to your aching buttocks. If you're going to come here, read and comment, you should at least have the courtesy to give the opinions you're reading a fair crack of the whip - rather than arriving with a view to having a whinge every time our opinions disagree with those of the American websites. If you don't want to hear different opinions, then why bother reading a range of reviews at all?

  • sdvksbhv #177 6 years ago

    Shinji. The review process should review the ENTIRE game. Does a movie critic watch HALF a film? No. Just because you finish a game does not mean it has been completed. I want to hear about the experiences of every aspect of the game. And when a reviewer seems to forget about the other modes of play, even split screen which surely is an important part of the game???? then i just can't take it seriously at all. You will find that most magazine reviewers will play the game properly. It doesnt seem that Tom did. And you know what, yes, i think i will quit while i'm ahead. Thanks.

  • PearOfAnguish #178 6 years ago

    You will find that most magazine reviewers will play the game properly.

    Ahahahaah, this is classic, comedy gold!
    You must be the worlds most naive gamer, Gods gift to mag subscription departments!
    Did you enjoy the motorbike sections in Headhunter: Redemption?

    You clearly have no idea at all what's involved in reviewing a game, until you do, it'd probably be best if you just f*ck off to some other website and enlighten them with your pearls of wisdom.

  • Teeth #179 6 years ago

    Shinji is right

  • Teeth #180 6 years ago

    I would also like to have lucky_jim's babies. In a guy way, you know.

  • Calgon #181 6 years ago

    PearOfAnguish
    "WHICH CONSOLE ARE YOU GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MOST ON YOUR POPULAR GAMING WEBSITE? "

    What in shitting crickey are you talking about?. Its not about talking about the Xbox360 the most, yes thats expected thankyou for pointing that out though... I cant beleive you actually put that in capitals like it was a killer point lol:)


    Its the fact EG have reported news based on roumers despite Shinji's ramblings and alot of it has been negative and well... crap. Im not the only one whos noticed it either. Im looking forward to the run up to the PS3 launch(from around march if the PS3 has a spring Japan release) because I dont think they will treat it the same way. Like I said there has been roumers and news on the PS3 elsewhere already but EG wont post any of them because its not out till next year? not good enough.. news is news and if you can report on the pish Ive seen on some of the 360 articles Ive seen here then you can do the same for PS3... it will balance things out and not make you appear to have bias which is what alot of people are trying to say. Its certainly looking more and more that way since E3.

    "Uhh...well then that's their problem. Are you saying that EG needs to cater for total retards (like yourself?) that haven't quite grasped this whole reading thing yet?"


    Gameranking.com? Also the point stands that a 5 is going a bit far the overall score does have a big impact on the impression people will get.
    Also tell me are you interested in the 360 at all? If not why do you post on 360 aricles so much?

    edit: how do the quotes work here?
    Edited by 7 at 22/11/05 @ 21:09

  • sdvksbhv #182 6 years ago

    What's funny PearOfAnguish, is that you managed to write all that without actually saying what was wrong with what i wrote. Just a few select words of abuse is a little pathetic.

    To me, it really does seem like a lot of magazine reviewers and possibly some others do play the games properly. A long while ago now i used to read N64 magazine that made that a very important part of their review process. It was in fact a declaration on the page before the reviews start. This should be standard.

  • speedstars13 #183 6 years ago

    I bet none of you even know how to review a game! You probably give a Barbie game a score of 10 just because it has Rare name on it even though the game is rubbish. Gosh I love fanboys.

  • Syrette #184 6 years ago

    Did you enjoy the motorbike sections in Headhunter: Redemption?

    off-topic, but i felt a bit sorry for the guy after that. he seemed like a decent person in the mag and on their forum. just a bit of a lame reviewer at times.

    and he got slated for it, and rightly so, but still...
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 20:41

  • Eighthours #185 6 years ago

    One of my main attractions to this site is the fact that it's based in the UK. Does anyone know any other UK site?

    Press Start Online [/plug].

    Seriously though, you shouldn't leave EG just because you don't like a reviewer's opinion.

    Is the review well written? Yes. Do I agree with it? Maybe not. Am I still going to come back tomorrow to see what EG come up with next? Of course.

  • Syrette #186 6 years ago

    just for the record, i will not be purchasing this game unless i play a demo and find i like it. was never a must-have for me and a slight contrast in reviews has my questioning how good it is.

  • sharpkiddie Verified Lead Developer, Eurogamer Network #187 6 years ago

    You lot really shouldn't read too much into Tom giving a game a 5. It doesn't mean we/he dislike/s the platform, the platform manufacturer, the developer, other games sites or the general public. It just means Tom played the game, it wasn't massively enjoyable experience for him and he thought he'd describe to you what it was like and why he thinks he felt that way. That's really is it. He's an honest guy! Honestly!

  • PearOfAnguish #188 6 years ago

    What in shitting crickey are you talking about?. Its not about talking about the Xbox360 the most, yes thats expected thankyou for pointing that out though... I cant beleive you actually put that in capitals like it was a killer point lol:)

    I can't believe you thought that was a killer point because it was in capitals, rather than just being in capitals for emphasis. I could have used italics, but then I would have missed out on your witty retort. I also can't believe you said lol. Lol.

    What's funny PearOfAnguish, is that you managed to write all that without actually saying what was wrong with what i wrote. Just a few select words of abuse is a little pathetic.

    No, I pretty much did. But I'll summarise for you, because I think you're a bit simple:

    You have no idea of the process involved in reviewing a game. Also, you're an idiot.


    To me, it really does seem like a lot of magazine reviewers and possibly some others do play the games properly. A long while ago now i used to read N64 magazine that made that a very important part of their review process. It was in fact a declaration on the page before the reviews start. This should be standard.

    It's kind of cute that you believe what they say.

  • Cyhwuhx #189 6 years ago

    .::: The backlash is to be expected of course.

    That aside this really does cement my thoughts that the game is nothing but a Starfox Adventures with graphic-filters set to 'high'.

    As for the complete exhaustion of playing games before reviewing them, taht's a bit silly not? If you like the game you're obviously going to spend more time with it. If you don't like it, you'll not. Not exhausting all the 'features' of Kameo, says enough about the reviewer's opinion about game imo.

  • Calgon #190 6 years ago

    "I can't believe you thought that was a killer point because it was in capitals, rather than just being in capitals for emphasis."
    :D

  • barchetta #191 6 years ago

    Thank the christ someone (EG) has had the balls not to be steamrollered by the next-gen hype.

    Not that I am an action-RPG fan (Oddworld Stranger is as close as I get to that) but I really have been non-plussed by the coverage this game has been getting. It really didn't look like anything 'new'.

    I was in Gamestation yesterday and asked staff about 360 availability and was told (seriously) Easter!. Well, going by the reviews/launch titles I have seen so far I can easily wait til then. Perhaps the second wave of title will be more appealing.

    Of course, we'll all know more about the Rev and PS3 by then as well....

  • Gouki #192 6 years ago

    Dont worry the game is not that bad. I have just figured out why such a harsh score, so eurogamer gets more attention on their site.


    regardless of this review please all 360 owners to be try if first if YOU like it get it reviews are only there as a guid line and as much as there are bad games out there. There are also bad reviews!!!!!!!!!!
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 21:24

  • Self-Inversion #193 6 years ago

    "He's one of the most self-deprecating chaps I know, and constantly beats himself up over whether he's getting reviews right."

    Well you obviously live in a fish bowl. In any case, he should spend more time beating himself up over his patchy grammar.

    A comment further up about objectivity was quite interesting. When I read a review I don't want to be weighed down by the lowbrow baggage of an underachieving journalist who can't get a proper job. I only pay the entrance fee for the weight of experience gained by the said journalist spending his days playing a representative spectrum of contemporary games. One of the most important aspects of giving a sound opinion is making it as objective as you can, otherwise it is of little use to anyone else.

  • Teeth #194 6 years ago

    5/10 isn't fucking bad!

    Where did you lot buy your brains?

    5/10 = average.

  • SwedBear #195 6 years ago

    Edit: Damn, sorry for the longwinded post. Didn't realise it was so long. As I said, I need beer.

    Reviews are one persons opinions. As long as a review is well written, I don't really see any reason to be upset about the fact that the reviewer didn't like the game.

    Instead of being upset about the actual score I hope those of us who have played it (I'm not completely finished with it yet, also reviewing it) can offer our thoughts regardless if we dissagree or agree with the review.

    I've also come to start to question a lot of EG's review, not because they are poorly written but because their conclusions haven't meshed with my own. That however only means that I know that whenever a certain reviewer reviewes a game I know that I probably won't feel the same about the game as he does. It's the same as moviereviewes. I tend to read reviews from certain critiques more thorough because I know they have the same taste as me. That doesn't mean others are wrong, just that their taste differs.

    The same should be applied to reviewers.

    I also think it is bullshit to somehow trust this review more than any other just because it scores lower. Conspiracy-theories aside, reviewers opinions differ and as long as a review is well written a score should be worth just as much regardless if it is high/low.

    Actually the thing that pisses me off the most is most of the EG-readers these days. I'm so tired of the constant bashing from all sides. Are there only 10-year old kids here? People are happy Xbox 360 games score low. people are upset PS2 games score high. People call eachother idiots because they have another opinion. People ridicule each other.

    EG used to be one of the few game-sites on the net that you knew you could get really good discussions in the comment-threads but lately the fanboys seem to have taken over.

    I might be called an Xbox-fanboy since I mainly review Xbox games (but I own PS2, NDS, PSP, GBA and Gizmondo .. strangely no Cube yet) but I don't see this from an Xbox-fanboy point of view. I do expect the Xbox 360 bashing posts in other forums like GameSpot etc. but the way it has been lately here is really surprising. A lot of people who's opinions I've come to respect (being mostly a lurker for a long time) have really dissapointed me with the attitude of just wanting to troll as much as possible. And sadly it probably will happen again when the PS3 comes out and then the revolution.

    Damn, I guess I'm just dessillusioned about the way people treat eachother around here these days.

    Sorry, a bit tired and just pissed off about the whole thing. Should get more beer to cheer me up :).

    Bottom ine - don't bash or cheer the score, isntead give your own opinions about the game (if you played it) or just shut up :).

    Oh, my opinion so far is much more positive. I like the graphics style and the handholding doesn't bother me at all actually. So far I'm leaning toward 7 or 8/10 (all IMHO of course). To me it's just a cute nice action-RPG-fantasy-thingy-game.
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 21:38

  • The-Bodybuilder #196 6 years ago

    >"First thing: Tom is not an "arrogant reviewer"."

    My mistake.
    I meant you for making such an arrogant post earlier.

  • ImGameCube #197 6 years ago

    222 is my favourite number!

  • ImGameCube #198 6 years ago

    w00t!

  • ImGameCube #199 6 years ago

    Anybody who posts a comment that is longer than
    two lines should be taken outside and...and... I know

    BANG!

  • alpha-0ne #200 6 years ago

    if i reviewed this game i would probably give it a low score, its not my type of game at all..

    ive got to say i find it hard to take a webite seriously that puts out stories like 'PS5 due within 20 years' on the day the 360 is released in th USA

  • ImGameCube #201 6 years ago

    I just cant believe how many hours I spend reading the comments of other people about a game that they have never played, and which I sure as hell am not going to play for a very long time!

    /goes out to get a life

    /comes back to see if anybody has written anything interesting

    ...comments....ggrrrhhhhhrrrrRrrrr.....

  • The-Bodybuilder #202 6 years ago

    >"You assume that because our review disagrees with other reviews, ours is wrong. In that case, I welcome you to leave the site, and suggest that if the door does hit you in the arse on the way out, you should probably apply an icepack to your aching buttocks. If you're going to come here, read and comment, you should at least have the courtesy to give the opinions you're reading a fair crack of the whip - rather than arriving with a view to having a whinge every time our opinions disagree with those of the American websites. If you don't want to hear different opinions, then why bother reading a range of reviews at all?"

    I DARE you to find more than five comment reviews we're I whinge. Most times when I disagree, I simply don't post.
    I DO give the reivews a chance, why else would I waste my time reading them? If your mistaking me with one of those people that come here to moan, you're wrong.

    Like I said, I don't mind reading reviews that differ from mine, infact I like reading them. But when I do, it's never a minor difference, but a great one.
    Which leads to the point of why should I bother? You clearly believe your crew are right 100% of the time, so thier is never any point in commenting, as I'll simply be labelled an anti-EG goon.

  • Ihya #203 6 years ago

    Shinji why do you bother arguing with these idiots?

    Arguing with a troll is like wrestling with a pig in mud. The pig loves it, and after a while, you end up so dirty the casual observer can't tell who is who...

  • tiddles #204 6 years ago

    Shinji: If you were refering to the PS3 release date news heres the source http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051105-5530.html :)

    That would be the article that's based on the article that's reported on here, then:

    Eurogamer news, 7th November

    "The Reporter stated that Sony would be releasing a number of portable video devices to "fill the time gap before PlayStation 3 launches in Japan in March and in the US a year from now," though these dates appear to be the inference of the interviewer and did not come from Stringer himself."

  • ImGameCube #205 6 years ago

    where's my handbag?

  • IronGiant #206 6 years ago

    The problem here is that so many people hoped/expected Kameo to be the shining star amongst the launch line-up, that one title that is a bit different and not just another sequel.. Hey ho at least there's CoD2 and PGR3.. oh ;)

  • tiddles #207 6 years ago

    To me, it really does seem like a lot of magazine reviewers and possibly some others do play the games properly. A long while ago now i used to read N64 magazine that made that a very important part of their review process. It was in fact a declaration on the page before the reviews start. This should be standard.

    Well, they did have time on their hands, didn't they?

  • Fozzie_bear #208 6 years ago

    Oh dear. You know, the fact that other sites give the game a high rating doesn't mean that the reviewer here HAD to liek it does it? Should EG just copy IGN scores? Different people like different things. Take GTA - everyone seems to think it;s the best game ever but i wouldn't give oyu tuppence for it. Just not my cup of tea.

    I don't agree with every review here but at least I'm always confident that the score at the end reflects the reviewer's genuine PERSONAL feelings about the game which is more than I can say for a lot of others (print and online).

    If anyone thinks it deserves a 9 or 10 then give us your review. Set out exactly WHY you think it deserves a high score just as Tom's set out why he thinks it's worth a 5. But wait till you've played it first, eh?

    If you're an xbox 360 fan and you're picking one up on release day or getting one for xmas then good luck to you. I'm happy for you. But if you need every review of every game to be overwhelmingly positive to re-assure you that you've made the correct decision then that's pretty sad isn't it? Go ahead and buy Kameo. I'm sure you'll love it. Tom didn't. It's not the end of the world you know.

  • Fozzie_bear #209 6 years ago

    Ihya:

    Shinji why do you bother arguing with these idiots?

    Arguing with a troll is like wrestling with a pig in mud. The pig loves it, and after a while, you end up so dirty the casual observer can't tell who is who...

    LOL! A very good point made with beautiful imagery.

    /goes out to buy hat

    /puts hat on

    /doffs hat to ihya
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 22:37

  • GuiltySpark #210 6 years ago

    EG are so stoopid!

    They should of given the game 10 just to please everyone!

    goddamn you and your honest reviews.

    damn you straight to hell.

  • freedumb #211 6 years ago

    I'll play the game before I comment any further. It still soesn't seem like a 5 though, judging from the footage and some of the other reviews, It seems its a game I'd probably like.

    Anyway, I'm placing bets on the PDZ review. 5/1 it gets a 6/10 from EG.
    Edited by 1 at 22/11/05 @ 23:00

  • The-Bodybuilder #212 6 years ago

    >"Anyway, I'm placing bets on the PDZ review. 5/1 it gets a 6/10 from EG."

    I say 7.

  • weaselrat #213 6 years ago

    This is the only place out of 9 different reviews I have read that say the game is pants.
    judging from other reviews on this site in the past, I would say that some of the reviewers generally don't like what most gamers do.
    I own all current gen and will do with the next gen machines so have no biased opinions.
    This was never going to be grounbreaking and it is simply meant to be what alot of games aren't these days..................................................FUN!!! !!!!!

  • captain-future #214 6 years ago

    so basically it's a standard RARE game.

  • weaselrat #215 6 years ago

    And what happened to the days where two or more people would review a game to give a more level opinion on things???????????????

  • weaselrat #216 6 years ago

    we can't take anything awaqy from rare! I have been gaming for over 20 years and have played some true classics from them.
    No company can hit top marks with their games all of the time.

  • admir #217 6 years ago

    this game is short and was in developtment for 4 years WTF

  • Cpt_Fluffy #218 6 years ago

    I look forward to reading all the Reader Reviews come early December.

    If you've got a legitimate alternate perspective, slap it down in a well paced review then we'll see. As it stands, Tom's played the game and most of you haven't, so I'm trusting him.

    And, where the heck did these Rare urchins come from, they weren't supporting them on N64, and I'm told the Xbox Rare titles all undersold expectations. Following the logic of this thread, they've got a huge brand loyalty... but few sales. I don't understand.

    Oh yeah, and if you don't like the review style, don't come to this site. I always assumed EG was targeted at a DIFFERENT AUDIENCE to IGN and others. I felt I fit the audience here better. I don't read IGN because of certain reviews I've disagreed with. Really, moaning won't change the editorial stance. Either read it or don't.
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 00:20

  • IP #219 6 years ago

    > The score is the main problem I have because... not
    > everyone reads the full review they look at the score.

    And therein lies the problem. I honestly think sites like this would be better if they ditched the scores entirely, or just changed them for every game.

    "How the hell did OutRun 2 get a 'banana split and two whole scoops' when Burnout 3 got a 'funky monkey' and even Halo 2 got an 'ooh, it makes me fuzzy and warm inside, it really does!' award? It's a f——ing disgrace!"

  • Genji #220 6 years ago

    PearofAnguish, you're my new favourite person. Keep it up!

    And yeah, I agree with Shinji. I was arguing much the same points - though not nearly as eloquently - over in the Dragonball Z: Budokai thread.

    I come here because the reviews here sound like they've been written by actual human beings, not automatic review-writing machines that always use a set template. Other major sites just feel so... impersonal.

  • Bumbuliuz #221 6 years ago

    This is probably the lowest score I have seen of this game. Hmmm.....still buying it though.

  • brombeer #222 6 years ago

    It's simple: Most sites quoted here are American. MS is American. Need I say more? The game is crap, I can conclude after playing the demo a couple of times, certainly when it's been under development for 4 years. It doesn't show. Nothing new under the sun, it's been all done before. I can conclude the same for the other demo games, like PGR3. The 360 just doesn't have (yet) what it (or should I say MS?) promised to be. I totally agree with the reviewer. At least he's being honest (and not bribed by 'certain others').

  • Deception #223 6 years ago

    4/10 for Conker and now this? EG not getting along with rare these days?

    I fear for PD0 now.


  • Talha #224 6 years ago

    @brombeer: Do you not fear a beheading at the hands of all the XBox fans out here?

    By the way, judgin by the other (lesser) site reviews, PD0 is almost certain to get a higher score on EG, no sweat.

  • bootsy_NL_30 #225 6 years ago

    just a thought,but why doesnt EG have video reviews?

  • yorkiebar #226 6 years ago

    I refer everybody to my sanitary mushroom tale again. Especially after just reading the EG Conker review (which I never saw originally - 4/10 - lol! - bizarre!). EG must just hate mushrooms, whereas I happen to find them tasty and versatile. And I can't really be defined as a "fanboy" of any descripion, but that's because I'm far too old to be defined as a boy.

    Fan geezer, perhaps?

    (and I will now take all EG reviews with a pinch of salt!)

    (Fun forum, though! All that stress and testosterone!)
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 08:50

  • Gouki #227 6 years ago

    Eurogamer loses what shred of credibitlity it ever had.

    I know lads (all sat round at the pub, getting jollies over their wifi hotspot) we should give kameo an avergae score of 5 that way we can get loads of attention for our rather pathetic site. Before eurogamer fan bouys start attacking me. What kind of nerks post news about PS5 when its a console launch day and we havnt even seen PS3 on the shelves. If you like the review great if yo dont he is only a reviewer at the end of the day and it his opinion but come on. PS5 in 20 years.

    You guys should stay down the pub and play with your wifi.

  • jack_klugman #228 6 years ago

    You guys should stay down the pub and play with your wifi.

    Potentially you should visit another review site? Hmm? One with opinions more to your suiting? Yes? Or is trolling a way of life for you? Ahh!

  • Gouki #229 6 years ago

    Hold on a moment. they are entitled to their opions but i'm not?!! thats seems rather one sided

  • ClansOfIntrigue #230 6 years ago

    It amazes me how many people visit (and even register with) a games site where they think the reviewers don't know how to write and can't tell what makes a good game... I dunno, but personally I'd choose to visit a different site if that's how I felt.

  • Shinji #231 6 years ago

    What kind of nerks post news about PS5 when its a console launch day and we havnt even seen PS3 on the shelves.

    I hope for your sake that you're American - I'm pretty sure being this utterly oblivious to sarcasm and/or irony is actually illegal within the European Union.

  • oerhoert #232 6 years ago

    "This was never going to be grounbreaking and it is simply meant to be what alot of games aren't these days..................................................FUN!!! !!!!!"

    Of course it was meant to be fun. Too bad it's not, then?

    The review states quite clearly what the problem with the game is, and it's NOT that it's not groundbreaking, mind you.

    I'd suggest some of the commentators give it another read.
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 09:20

  • Gouki #233 6 years ago

    laughs at shinji.

    its sarcasm dont you know, well Durgggggghhhhh!!!

    And yet another european that misses the point.


    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 09:24

  • Eighthours #234 6 years ago

    There is an argument for getting rid of these comments sections.

    I kinda liked it when EG was "underground". As soon as a site bursts out into the mainstream, all the bloody idiots flock to it like moths to a flame.

    Bring back capital punishment, I say. ;)

  • yorkiebar #235 6 years ago

    I love the fact that everybody seems so stressed about this! This forum needs happy pills before we all have a unified heart attack...

    Tis simple, yes? This bloke didn't like it, other blokes did. Chances are you will, or you won't, so try it first and then either buy it or leave it in the shops with a "p'ah, tis rubbish" ringing in the air.

    I can't wait for the slanging match after EG's "PERFECT DARK: ZERO POINTS" review comes up!!! It's worth hanging around purely for the comedy!

  • Gouki #236 6 years ago

    yerh i knida liked it when it was underground also.
    Oh sorry because i didnt like the reivew and thats what a forum is there for you think i've just jumped on to eurogamer. I think you need to wake up. Regardless of my comments or any others eurogamer wants people on its site! If i say ohhh man the reivew is bang out of order and then tell another three people i know more and more come and so on. It only needs one of my mates to say hey thats a well rounded review and eurogamer has another payed up member.
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 09:34

  • gamesb*tch #237 6 years ago

    can I revise my review downwards?

  • Gouki #238 6 years ago

    it seems if you disagree on this site your shot down.

    on other forums you can have a propper chat about things.

    I only use short blasts on here as it seems everyone is under the age of 12.

    There are far to many fanboys

  • SIDEARM #239 6 years ago

    Played this in a demo kiosk last night. Definitely a RARE game, beautiful graphics but gameplay wise pretty underwhelming. COD2 was on the same demo disk and just utterly blew Kameo out of the water.

  • weaselrat #240 6 years ago

    totally agree with yorkie!!!!!!! and captain fluffy you must be a young gamer or a serious fanboy!!!! beacause rare started way back as early as the C64 under a different name(bit of research for you there). and they carried on and made some absolute corkers for the earlier nintendos.

    .
    Edited by 4 at 23/11/05 @ 10:01

  • Genji #241 6 years ago

    "I'd suggest some of the commentators give it another read."

    Do you mean they should just read the score again, or the whole review this time? ;-)

  • aspender #242 6 years ago

    So whilst the game isn't exactly "next gen" in gameplay terms, and ignoring the rights or wrongs of the review process and score, surely the fact that any 360 owner with broadband can download a demo of it before deciding to buy is a real "next gen" benefit?

  • bootsy_NL_30 #243 6 years ago

    ok I have one smal question that is aimed squarely at EG and other publications like EDGE

    do gamers want inovation?

    personally I have to admit I like alot of the game genres that are floating around out there (with the possible exception of porno games/train simulators and gambling games) and since I dont have to review a ton of them every week I guess I'm not looking for inovation,just good production values, a decent story and game mechanics that are recognisable and enjoyable.

    however and just as a side note, there was alot of bullshit floating around about advanced AI in next gen games,based on that I can appreciate the reviewers disapointment.


    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 09:59

  • yorkiebar #244 6 years ago

    this is a fun game: it's called "spot the odd one out."

    Gamespy ** 4 / 5 Nov 15, 2005
    IGN ** 8.4 / 10 Nov 15, 2005
    GamePro ** 3 / 5 Nov 18, 2005
    Eurogamer ** 5 / 10 Nov 22, 2005
    GameDaily ** 3.5 / 5 Nov 18, 2005
    Yahoo! Games ** 4 / 5 Nov 17, 2005
    TeamXBOX ** 8.8 / 10 Nov 16, 2005
    1UP ** 7 / 10 Nov 15, 2005
    G4 ** 4 / 5 Nov 21, 2005
    Cheat Code Central ** 4 / 5 Nov 20, 2005
    Xbox-Evolved ** 8.9 / 10 Nov 20, 2005
    eToychest ** 78 / 100 Nov 19, 2005
    Kikizo Games 8.8 / 10 Nov 21, 2005
    DarkZero 9 / 10 Nov 21, 2005
    GamerFeed 3.5 / 5 Nov 18, 2005

    Now, with my trusty pipe and sherlock holmes hat, my deductions are along these lines:

    a) Micro$oft paid a lot of people to "big up their game" but EG said "up yours, fatty"
    b) Rare paid a lot of people to "big up their game" but EG said "get stuffed, shitface"
    c) this is a "blip" and should not be worried about.

  • weaselrat #245 6 years ago

    totally agree with yorkie!!!!!!! and captain fluffy you must be a young gamer or a serious fanboy!!!! beacause rare started way back as early as the C64 under a different name(bit of research for you there). and they carried on and made some absolute corkers for the earlier nintendos.

    I will be the first to admit they have dipped recently but it's only a matter of time before they hit the nail on the head. Then all of the current rare haters will be saying ( I'VE ALWAYS LOVED RARE THEY MAKE SUCH GREAT GAMES) too many hypocrits (probably angry cube owners)

    ''played it in a kiosk'' !!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah i'm sure you got a real good chance to see the real pros and cons of the game!!!!! mmmmm ooookkkk!

    after reading the review again and again, I have realised that the all other mags and sites get people who like certain types to review them. This way an unbiased opinion can be given to FPS/RPG or racing whatever games
    but with this site they put people in who hate certain types of games.
    I have lots of mates who love the american footy games but I just don't like them.
    So would you like a review of a madden game by me or let the fans play them thereselves!?!
    They need to get people who enjoy the types of games they're reviewing and then we will know if the game is pants or not!
    Not a REVIEW by someone who prefers FPS or driving games and hates the other.

  • weaselrat #246 6 years ago

    once again well done yorkiebar!
    another one who actually does his research!
    I'm not a big fan of PGR but there is no way I would tell others its rubbish!
    each to there own and all that cack!
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 10:06

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #247 6 years ago

    SWEDBEAR: "I also think it is bullshit to somehow trust this review more than any other just because it scores lower."

    Actually, it's not. Nobody ever got bribed to score a game *lower*.

  • Furbs #248 6 years ago

    *sigh* Millions of people bought the Spice Girls albums and would probably rate them 9/10. Does that mean they are right?
    If you going to say "EG's review doesnt exactly match everyones elses" whats the point in even having reviews or looking elsewhere? You might as well just have one big site.

    Seriously EG, you should drop the scores, make people have to read for once.

  • SIDEARM #249 6 years ago

    Calm down weaselrat no need to be offensive. I may have only played it in a "kiosk" BUT at least I have played it unlike most of the people posting uninformed opinion on this thread. And yes I felt the gameplay was underwhelming - Sub Mario 64 fare, but thats just the opinion of one person, and an opinion formed after having spent a good half hour with the game. Personally I wasnt overwhelmed but Im sure others may be - I can see people enjoying it very much but it certainly is no killer app.

  • Furbs #250 6 years ago

    Incidently, which of arnies clan are you weaslerat?
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 10:14

  • weaselrat #251 6 years ago

    did'nt mean to offend sidearm!
    thats pretty much what I said they have dropped there game a bit and I think this is aimed at the more casual gamer.
    My missus would probably love it but i'd only play it a few times!
    All i am saying is everyone(excluding sidearm) just needs to play it for thereselves!
    Furby all everyone is saying is that on average more people like it rather then hate it.
    What do you prefer fifa or evo? snake or Fisher ? exactly! self preference and like sidearm has said you need to play it.
    I think Call of duty 2 rocks but my mate hates it!
    and i'm sure EG will give it a great review.
    Mario football 8/10!?! I can hear the fifa and pro evo fans screaming ''What the hell'' but its not meant to be a sim it's meant to be fun! like mario kart is no colin mcrae! and it obiviously works for these guys but I can't stand those games.
    Edited by 2 at 23/11/05 @ 10:30

  • jack_klugman #252 6 years ago

    *sigh* Millions of people bought the Spice Girls albums and would probably rate them 9/10. Does that mean they are right?

    Yes.

  • kangarootoo #253 6 years ago

    Holy crap thats a lot of posts.

  • brombeer #254 6 years ago

    I would worry more about the defects in the American 360's. There seem to be a lot over there, lots of people complaining, lots of three red lights blinking on their newly aquired 'piece of plastic Microsoft crap' as they call it themselves, people frying their eggs on the machine etc....I would feel very frustrated when a 5 minute old console drops dead on me. It doesn't promise to be a long-lived console in terms of burning hours.

  • Furbs #255 6 years ago

    Define "lots"? Oh and I assume they provide evidence of these issues?

  • Eighthours #256 6 years ago

    I would worry more about the defects in the American 360's. There seem to be a lot over there, lots of people complaining, lots of three red lights blinking on their newly aquired 'piece of plastic Microsoft crap' as they call it themselves, people frying their eggs on the machine etc....I would feel very frustrated when a 5 minute old console drops dead on me. It doesn't promise to be a long-lived console in terms of burning hours.

    It's very unlikely that Microsoft wouldn't have done a gazillion tests on the retail units.

    The failure rate simply seems high at the moment because affected people are getting on forums and complaining. But when it all comes out in the wash, I suspect that the failure rate will be no more than that of any other electronic device.

  • yorkiebar #257 6 years ago

    I'm pleased the yankie 360's are faulty. It makes up for the fact they got them first, and it also means that M$ have another 9 days to make sure mine works!

    I'm so glad about the face plates too. Stops it looking like a 1980's fizzy drinks maker.

  • The-Bodybuilder #258 6 years ago

    >"*sigh* Millions of people bought the Spice Girls albums and would probably rate them 9/10. Does that mean they are right?"

    Who are you to define which album is good or bad?

  • Furbs #259 6 years ago

    Exactly, now apply that logic to the idiots whining about the low score.

  • yorkiebar #260 6 years ago

    Oh, Furbs... people are whining about the score because its so out of kilter with all kameos other scores... every other reviewer on the planet seems to like it.

    The comparison to the Spice Girls doesn't really work, in this light, because the whole world agrees that they were (and are) shit. A bit like the PS2 really (tee hee!)

  • brainbird #261 6 years ago

    Brilliant, simply brilliant.
    Posts 1-200: "I don't agree with the score you gave a game I haven't played yet! Eurogamer sucks."
    Great stuff.

  • weaselrat #262 6 years ago

    yay!
    Furbs don't know jack!
    who's Jack?
    no one furbs would know
    i'm going mad with everyones rants!

  • Furbs #263 6 years ago

    Did I just get "served"? :(

  • weaselrat #264 6 years ago

    no hards to ya.

  • Furbs #265 6 years ago

    So weasle, can you give me 2000 word review and score of Kameo? I'd much rather trust you.

  • jack_klugman #266 6 years ago

    Furbs don't know jack!
    who's Jack?

    Yes?

  • yorkiebar #267 6 years ago

    not served, furbs, just a cheeky ;)

  • weaselrat #268 6 years ago

    if ya like! I will get to work on it!
    Why so defensive?? that normally only occurs when someone doesn't believe what they are saying!! hmmmm
    all I said is people need to play it! if you can tell me whats wrong with a comment like that please do! you have not provided any valid arguements to anyones comments on this?
    Pro evo or Fifa??
    self preference!
    Edited by 2 at 23/11/05 @ 11:38

  • yorkiebar #269 6 years ago

    Weasle doesn't need to write a 2000 word review - all you have to do is check out the dozen or so reviews I listed for everybody earlier in this happy forum.

  • weaselrat #270 6 years ago

    and even if i did write a review it doesn't mean that you would like it!
    I hate to say it furbs but your starting to sound like a fanboy! or is that a ................. nevermind!

  • Furbs #271 6 years ago

    So isnt that what the reviewer is expressing? Unfortunatly "you need to play it to decide if you like it" sorta defeats the purpose of a review. Otherwise I could set up a review site which has a review for every single game ever.

    I'll await your review with interest.

  • Furbs #272 6 years ago

    yorkiebar - ever thought that people visit this site because they dont like/trust those sites?

    Weasle - fanboy of what? Sony? Hmmm I have 3 Xbox's...
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 11:43

  • weaselrat #273 6 years ago

    still no valid comments from furby!! thats why the site let you do your own reviews! to see what others think.
    and if you own 3 x boxs I can only assume you stack them on top of each other and put your playstation or PC on top or an autographed photo of yourself to remind you that you are god and what you say is final and no other shall have a say!!!!!

  • Furbs #274 6 years ago

    Eh?

  • weaselrat #275 6 years ago

    exactly another totally pointless comment!

  • Furbs #276 6 years ago

    I think I'll bow out, I'm obviously not up to this level of debate.

    I cant grasp the "the reviewer doesnt have the right to an opinion or give a score and if he does, he's wrong. We do though" train of thought.

    No wonder this place isnt as popular as Highcalibre :(

  • weaselrat #277 6 years ago

    feeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrbbbbbbbb your missing the point or mine at least! I never said the reviewer wasn't entitled to his opinion.. quite the opposite i said we all need to play it and make our own minds up! i'm sure you agree with that!

  • #278 6 years ago

    I can honestly say I have never heard such utter bollox in my entire life! I HAVE PLAYED IT and it's a good game , I would say around 7-8ish out of 10. I can only think that EG are either taking bribies from sony or the reviewer is a complete battyboy cheersthnxbye.

  • yorkiebar #279 6 years ago

    but to say you don't like all those sites and only trust this one is like saying "I'll never trust another political voice, unless it belongs to the one who only agrees with me". Personally, I think its a good thing to get a broad view of opinion - and even then, try before you buy. Unless, of course, you are a fan-geezer (too old to be a boy) in which case you just waste money on any old shite because it makes you think of Clacton Pier on a cold winters day back in the days of Pong and Berserk.

    It's kinda like the nine out of ten cats thing - nine of 'em found kameo lovely with tasty chunks, but one threw up. I'd say the one who threw up probably has a little tummy upset and will feel better after a couple of aspirin and a good nap.

  • yorkiebar #280 6 years ago

    or stick to kat-e-kins

  • weaselrat #281 6 years ago

    sometimes though the vet might say the cat won't ever recover and it would be better if he stayed asleep.

  • #282 6 years ago

    It really makes me wonder ... is this a gamers site or an anti-MS corperation
    ....Tsk just pathetic!

  • tengu #283 6 years ago

    Corporation even

  • weaselrat #284 6 years ago

    I remember when the x box first came out! everyone slated it and a while later all of them said how it rocked! and now they have just as many licences as Sony! and no more sony only GTA or PES.
    half of the people who slate will eventually realise they are wrong but will be too sad to admit it to thereselves!

  • #285 6 years ago

    cheers for that but if i want a spell check ill use google, it is nice to see how subserviant you are though tengu. good girl !

  • tengu #286 6 years ago

    You're welcome.

  • yorkiebar #287 6 years ago

    I wasn't keen on the xbox originally 'cos of that monster controller it had - you need hands the size of dinner plates just to reach the triggers. Once they'd sorted that out I happily sold my PS2 (and PS1 which was still lying around) and moved on over.

    And I'll be honest, if PS3 games turn out better than the 360;s I'll have no quarms about switching back - I'm not loyal to anybody. Mind you, they'll have to sort out those Star-Trek-alike PS3 controllers before I'll even consider picking one of them up... how very 1980's....

  • yorkiebar #288 6 years ago

    Oh, disc, you can still look at it. It's very pretty, y'know.

    But we won't make you touch it if you don't want to.
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 13:06

  • yorkiebar #289 6 years ago

    just how many comments can we get this strand up to, d'ya think?

  • yorkiebar #290 6 years ago

    tee hee!

  • Eighthours #291 6 years ago

    It's one person's opinion at the end of the day.

    The reason that it "matters" to some whether it's accurate or not (as far as opinion can be) is that silly people see one review and instantly go "It's crap then, I'm not buying it", without sampling a broad spectrum of opinion to see the consensus.

    That's the sole reason why people complain about review scores, because certain amoebas take one site's word as God and base all their buying decisions upon it.

    Thus, if someone likes a game but the reviewer doesn't, when the comments thread after the review is full of "Kameo is teh crap", the person who likes the game will protest vehemently, as they can see people basing a purchasing decision solely on the score and text of that one review!

    The moral of the story? Look in more than one place before deriding a game. Or better still, actually play the thing.

  • yorkiebar #292 6 years ago

    Eighthours - well said. You win a million pounds*.

    (* - that bit is sadly untrue)

  • kangarootoo #293 6 years ago

    @Eighthours

    Spot on (I'm sure it won't inject any sense into this thread though). Why do the longest running threads always have the most grumpy conspiracy theory crap in them.

    Kangarootoo's Guide to Inner Peace.

    1. Read review.
    2. Think "Hmm interesting. But of course the reviewer is only one person and everyone has different yet equally valid tastes. Instead of initiating pointless war I shall instead rent this game and see for myself."
    3. Rent game and see for yourself.
    4. Like game, or not and buy game, or not.
    5. Continue to read EG for interesting news and reviews, whilst keeping a bit of f*cking pespective.

  • weaselrat #294 6 years ago

    @kangarootoo I thinks everyones rants are sending you a little bit booloo!

  • DarthCheesiest #295 6 years ago

    "just how many comments can we get this strand up to, d'ya think?"

    Kameo 5/10, Rare breeze, rare breeze, ok that is my contribution, rare breeze.

  • freedumb #296 6 years ago

    Eighthours, you've summed it up nicely.

  • feinry #297 6 years ago

    excellent review. I'm happy to see that EG doesn't get fooled by the graphis and the hype. I'm really disappointed by Kameo - until i can play it :D - as it was the only game that could make me buy a 360

  • Gouki #298 6 years ago

    well if its not eurogamer a site which likes to remove posts with a different opion.

  • Freek #299 6 years ago

    Seems like Starfox Adventures all over again.

  • #300 6 years ago

    Good review Tom, appreciate the honesty too of someone who appreciates good games, but is solid enough to shit on the average ones, no matter who publishes them or for what console it's released.

    It's weird, the more the average reviews come in, the more I want an XBOX 360. Damn Microsoft, that's some kooky marketing you've got going on there, it's wrecking mah heed!

  • kangarootoo #301 6 years ago

    @weaselrat

    "I thinks everyones rants are sending you a little bit booloo!"

    Too bloody right mate! :)

  • DarthCheesiest #302 6 years ago

    "I'm really disappointed by Kameo - until i can play it :D - as it was the only game that could make me buy a 360"

    For me, it looked like one best of the remaining launch titles, rather than being a reason for buying the console. DOA4 and Oblivion for me were the stand out titles, which would offer something different. Online play with fast broadband is really amazing and I was hoping to get good this time round.

    Well I hope that it really is better that 5/10, for me 5/10 is not playable. I think SW:Battlefont 1 got 8/10, this is one of the few games that I own which I decided very early on(within a couple of hours) that it was too poor to play. Not worth getting to the point where I feel I have to complete it.

    I have gone through games like Ratchet and Clank and Jak and Daxter and collected all the extras, even though I didn't really enjoy them. I go on the assumption that the special abilities of the characters in Kameo will encourage lots of exploration and secret finding challenges, like that of Mario 64.

    Also especially with Ratchet and Clank I found the story and characters to be pretty charmless, not worth progressing for. I'm hoping that Kameo will have pleasant humour, likeable characters and cinematic touches.

    Again, from the few minutes I played, I thought it was as good as a lot of the crap I've played before and if I have to get this or PGR3 or both I'm hoping its not as bad a 5/10.

  • kangarootoo #303 6 years ago

    @ManicMiner

    Anyone who fires an employee because of a bad review is a damn fool, A DAMN FOOL I tell thee (this is not an attack on you or your statement BTW, I'm not saying you aren't speaking the truth, its just a shocked reaction).

    Let me explain my vehemence further. There are loads of reasons why a game can turn out badly, as I never seem to tire of saying. A reviewer is rarely party to that sort of information though, so all they can give is their opinion of the final product.

    Any manager of staff in a games industry should know more about the quality of his team's work than he can learn from a review. I see one of two situations.

    1. The team member in question did a great job, but despite this the game got poor reviews. In this case the manager should be capable of seeing the development problems for what they were and know where the fault lay.

    2. The team member sucked. But the manager should be able to see this anyway. If the game in question got good reviews would the incompetent team member keep their job anyway because their manager is none the wiser?

    My point is, that if a manager is basing his appraisal of team members on a bloody review (no offence review journos, I'm sure you take my point) then he is a damn idiot. In fact, given that dismissal is supposed to result from disiplinary process (and bad reviews were not classed as gross misconduct last time I looked) I'm not even sure it is legal.

    If a team member actually deserved sacking for being totally crap then that is unfortunate but fair. It shouldn't be connected to review results though. I'm ranting now and losing perspective myself. So I shall stop.

  • kangarootoo #304 6 years ago

    @DarthCheesiest and anyone who is still reading :)

    One thing to bear in mind is that EG take public expectation into account when scoring games (they have said as much on these threads I'm sure).

    If something is a flag ship title, but turns out to be a little bit run of the mill it will be viewed more harshly than something that came out of nowhere from a small team with a small budget and did some really cool stuff.

    This is one of the many reason why review scores shouldn't be treated as gospel. I think one of the reasons that EG shines when it comes to reviews is that they (usually) give me enough information to form my own opinions.

    They don't know my tastes in games, they don't know what pisses me off, they don't what impresses me. They can make educated guesses as to what the majority of us prefer but its still not an exact science. They present their opinion of the game because they (obviously) understand their own preferences but (more importantly) they present me with enough information so that, knowing my own preferences as I do, I can better make an informed guess as to whether the game will press my buttons.

    When people start comparing review scores between agmes, or reviwers, or even different review sites they are starting to take purely subjective matter and declare it as empirical fact. Thats a big mistake, as is clearly demonstrated (IMO anyway) by the frequent angry disagreements that occur on these pages.

  • freedumb #305 6 years ago

    The problem is though that so many people on these threads ARE taking EG's reviews as gospel. You know, because Tom didn't like it, it definitely means its a crap game? What if you played the game yourself and disagreed?

    If even a magazine that borders on elitism like EDGE can give it a 7/10, as strict as they normally are, then I definitely want to play it even more to see what I think of it.
    Edited by 2 at 23/11/05 @ 16:10

  • Calgon #306 6 years ago

    Brombeer is a troll

    "Xbox360 is an American console that means YANKS made it.. dont buy it... MS is American too btw. Sony is Japanese so they are cooler"

    So a review is null and void if it comes from an American website? Nah thats crap and you all know it... Im from the UK and Im not one of those "I hate ALL Americans because its cool" types. I think thats the main problem with some of the members here. You know Sony cant be doing a good job if their fanboys spend more time reading about the rival consoles games and hardware.

  • PearOfAnguish #307 6 years ago

    What if you played the game yourself and disagreed?

    You assume that these people are capable of forming their own opinions or respecting others.

  • Eighthours #308 6 years ago

    Good review Tom, appreciate the honesty too of someone who appreciates good games, but is solid enough to shit on the average ones, no matter who publishes them or for what console it's released.

    This is a symptom of what gets people annoyed, as I outlined a couple of hours ago. Because of a bad review on EG, you have automatically assumed that the game's average, despite the majority of opinion elsewhere suggesting that it isn't.

    I can label FIFA Street as a totally shit game that got a bizarrely good mark on here and was slated nearly everywhere else. Does that mean that all EG reviews are wrong? No. But it does indicate that the site has its own independent voice which shouldn't necessarily be taken as "fact". And you seem to have taken the Kameo review as "fact".

  • Calgon #309 6 years ago

    Eighthours

    You have a good point there but there are alot here who get a real buzz off low scoring high profile Xbox games or 360 games. Its not like they were really interested in the console or the game in question in the first place in most cases(but they'll never tell you that... no! because that would make them look like a dribbling fanboy) they come to rub it in and dissuade people from their rivals consoles.
    Edited by 2 at 23/11/05 @ 16:35

  • The-Bodybuilder #310 6 years ago

    >"The reason that it "matters" to some whether it's accurate or not (as far as opinion can be) is that silly people see one review and instantly go "It's crap then, I'm not buying it", without sampling a broad spectrum of opinion to see the consensus.

    That's the sole reason why people complain about review scores, because certain amoebas take one site's word as God and base all their buying decisions upon it."

    What's so sad is that even AFTER this post, people are still taking this review as scripture and condeming it without either playing it or reading other reivews.

  • kangarootoo #311 6 years ago

    @ManicMinerUK

    "Most employees in the industry are working on limited term contracts, which means we are not protected by employment law."

    That's not true, although I take your meaning. Basic employment law applies, regardless of what is in your contract. If your contract attempts to deny you your statutory rights under employment law then that contract itself becomes invalidillegal. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it can be challenged (the sort of recent EA lawsuit got loads of press, but in other industries this sort of litigation is more common). I work in the industry myself as it happens.

  • brombeer #312 6 years ago

    @ Calgon: Just look at Microsoft's own American Xbox site: www.xbox.com. I'm not a troll. Just a person using common sense and know when I've been warned. Don't blame me when you'll see three red flashing lights on dec. 2nd. A lot of people will, regarding the comments on the American Forum. I only bring the message, that's all.
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 17:38

  • BillGaitas #313 6 years ago

    349

  • freedumb #314 6 years ago

    350. And this is just for the US launch. Just imagine what it'll be like when it lauches here, and people get the chance to play it on their own PAL 360's.
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 18:07

  • Killerbee #315 6 years ago

    I haven't yet dare read all the comments above mine, but this seems like a fair review, and as ever it's perfectly well argued and written by Tom. The score maybe seems a little bit harsh considering the text above (sounds like a 6-7), but then I'm actually in favour of this being judged as a "next generation" title in the context of the (clearly exaggerated) claims Microsoft has been making for the title. This certainly doesn't sound like "The future of gaming" in any sense other than the pretty graphics. It sounds as though Rare could have learned a lot from playing recent titles like God of War or even Paper Mario 2 to pick up how the general structure of an action adventure game based on the acquisition of new abilities and puzzle solving can be done well.

  • BillGaitas #316 6 years ago

    this has to be the longest EG discussion ever

  • Calgon #317 6 years ago

    brombeer

    Ive said this in another thread but I'll say it again here...

    There are very few reported faults SO FAR... you do realise that every console has some units sold which are defective dont you? I dare you to mention one that hasnt.

    If I were to buy an Xbox360 on Dec2nd Id be one of the VERY few unfortunate ones if I found my 360 to be defective and Id simply get it replaced or repaired as quickly as possible.

  • BillGaitas #318 6 years ago

    Now I understand, this is all a publicity act. As soon as this reaches the 360 number, the forum will be closed and Bill Gates will apear talking about how the longest EuroGamer forum discussion is about an 360 game.
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 18:15

  • Calgon #319 6 years ago

    Bates

    Thing is if you check the Sony forums/comments sections here, you wont see any posts from me. I dont like the playstation brand(Ive moved on since the PS1) but Im simply not that sad and I only come to read about the things Im interested in. This is why it irritates me to see Sony Fanboys all over the place, Ninty fanboys are generally happy talking about their own console well most of them anyway so they dont feel the need to came and bash rival consoles in the comments section. This is my perception anyway of the way this place works not too much different from other places I guess though.

  • freedumb #320 6 years ago

    Killer bee,>God of War and Paper Mario 2 came out well into the development cycle of Kameo, we're talking something like 4 years ago when it started.

    But thats another point, you can't really judge this truly as a next generation title (whatever the big suits at MS say), because it's initially a last generation game. It started life on the gamecube, then the xbox, in fact rare said they'd pretty much finished it on the xbox before MS told them to move it to the 360.

    The new console obviously allows them to improve the graphics and have more characters on screen at once, but essentially this game is a port, that was designed for a last generation console.

    And I'm not saying thats an excuse for it to be a bad game, I don't know whether its good or bad because I haven't played it! All I know is that the reviewer on EG thinks its bad. Doesn't mean everyone else will.
    Edited by 6 at 23/11/05 @ 18:36

  • Ryuken #321 6 years ago

    "this has to be the longest EG discussion ever"

    Hohoho, what kind of 'discussion'? :)

    Every site has its opinion. EG sometimes has some pretty harsh scores but then again also a fair share of overrated stuff, imo it is definitely in balance here. There will never be a 'right' score or even a 'right' opinion about any game, period.

  • kangarootoo #322 6 years ago

    @Bates

    "So don't try to bullshit me with who is in the wrong here, eh?"

    I don't really think this is a "right or wrong" kind of discussion (to heavily paraphrase an excellent quote from Way of the Gun";).

  • Yossarian #323 6 years ago

    360 replies! nobody post any... awww crap.

  • bootsy_NL_30 #324 6 years ago

    how can EG be anti X-box when there forums are obviously overflowing with people who at the very least have a passing intrest in the console?

  • ClansOfIntrigue #325 6 years ago

    When was the last time *any* launch title turned out to be a classic when the fuss died down... wipEout? You get a bunch of titles that are essentially last-gen games with more polys, and few if any are remembered a couple of years later. Dishing out 9/10s and 10/10s just because a game's got more power to push pixels about is... sad.

    Seriously, why would Eurogamer or anyone be biased towards PS3 or Xbox360? They're both just machines made by huge corporations, both of which do pretty much the same thing in largely the same ways. Why do people turn into such zealots when they feel "their" console is undervalued? It's about the *games* - who gives a shit what silicon they run on?

  • Xerx3s #326 6 years ago

    God, this is so depressing. On the one hand you have the xbx fanboys saying that the reviewer should pack his bags, pointing out the flaws in his review and reviews from other sites. On the other hand you have the sony fanboys twideling around in circles, chasing their own tail.

    OKe, here it goes; shadowofthecollossusisagreatgameandshouldnotbecomparedtothis gamereadthereviewffsledilletante&thegamesthingorwhateverthei rnamesaredopointouttwothingsabouttheflawsofthisreviewandrais esomequestionsabouthowfairthisreviewactuallywasfurtheronifyo urnotsureaboutthisgamedownloadthedemofromxblorplayitatastand ifyoulikethatbuyitifyoudontthendontifyourasonyfanboywhojustp ostsheretoanoyotherpplfoifyouranxbxfanboythatcriesaboutthiss coredontreadityouknowegcanbequiteharshongamesjustreadanother sitethathasascorethatfitsyourexpectations.

    Didnt bother to read that? GOOD! Thats what this horrible thread is about (more or less). Why cant we have comment like "Hey, i played this game and i thought this and this about it, what do you think?....".

    Can i have me cookies now?

  • thegamesthething #327 6 years ago

    kameoisagameopentosubjectivereviewbyanyextremelytalentedandi ntelligentreviewerbutsotcisjustgreatandthatsallthereistoit?< br />
    cobblers, tristan, orwhateveryournameis

    jim
    Edited by 1 at 23/11/05 @ 23:09

  • Carrybagma #328 6 years ago

    Poor old Rare. It really is sad. Maybe they just got a bit too big.

    Anyone know what the Stampers are up to these days? I'd rather hoped they'd have snuck off and put their cash into something different and exciting by now. Does Microsoft have them under lock and key?

    I know it's a bit pathetic, but if Microsoft coloured-up the Rare/UPTG back catalogue and stuck it on marketplace, the 360 would be so much more tempting.

    [sigh]

  • freedumb #329 6 years ago

    'What's so sad is that even AFTER this post, people are still taking this review as scripture and condeming it without either playing it or reading other reivews. '

    'Poor old Rare. It really is sad. Maybe they just got a bit too big.'

    People are still doing it!

  • nightsparkle #330 6 years ago

    i've played games for 13 years or so now, and i'm a big adventure fan. in my experience only a few games from the playstation generation and after, were better then those made for NES and SNES. including the 3d zelda's. Ninja gaiden and prince of persia are somme of the few good ones.

    I've been weary for this game, never thougt it would be good. fighting, platforming and adventuring are the most important elements in scuh games. switching between characters for fighting means that they couldn't make balanced fast paced combat, so they just give you more options.

    well, bla bla bla

  • Calgon #331 6 years ago

    Bates NO I ASKED YOU TO FIND ME ONE POST... JUST ONE POST... FROM ME!!!!!! ON THE PS2 OR PS3 comments sections. You cant can you??? Whos bullshitting who? yeah your full of shit. As I said I dont like the playstation brand but I dont feel the need to go and troll in the PS2/PS3 sections bashing the console(here I will say the playstation brand is overrated and shit IMO... but EACH TO THEIR OWN!) I dont need to point out the Sony Fanboys we all know who they are(and they will simply deny it "no I own/plan to own all the consoles" bullshit m8!) smug bastards in every cunting comment section lol at the hint of anything they can use to troll. At first it was mildly amusing but they just cant help themselves. They dont even own an xbox or plan to buy any of them but they feel the need to bash the console in Xbox forums because its made by "YANKS" yeah whos using Nazi tacticts? Hypocracy makes me sick(btw as Ive said Im English so dont even try it).

    Back on topic*
    People are always going to disgree with harsh scores and select reviewers,
    Ive had a problem with some of the articles here from around E3 and a few since then... no biggie so their articles I can do without for a while. This is my prime source for reviews though and Im hoping that it simply is THAT BAD. Im just surprised with the score is all, I read the reviews and the score at the end is the clincher it helps me to see if the things said in the review add up to a fun experience or not when all is said and done... 5=shite(yes even by EG standards), 7 is average 8 is good 9 is great(this is how Ive found it to be with the games reviewed here that Ive played and Ive been happy with this so far). If a game got a 6 here Id be wearey of it, you know? it might just make the average grade barely. Either way I'll probably see for myself at some point. Even if I find I disagree after playing it this is only one game at the end of the day and Im not calling for the reviewers head or anything if he genuinely didnt like it that much. Id only have a problem(ie. enough to find another source for reviews) if I find that I disagree with too many of the reviews and scores for the games which is way too early to tell at this point.

    Edited by 6 at 26/11/05 @ 19:18

  • bootsy_NL_30 #332 6 years ago

    this thread is off the hook!

  • bootsy_NL_30 #333 6 years ago

    heres a clip of the 360 launch party in russia

    http://www.disco80.ru/?an= videoauthor&condition=czEgbGlrZSAnRHNjaGluZ2hpcyBLaGFuJSc%3D

    if it doesnt link see clip from dschingis khan (no relation to imran)
    Edited by 2 at 24/11/05 @ 06:51

  • yorkiebar #334 6 years ago

    i still think this review is a blip when compared to all other reviews, but clearly kameo is not to everybodys taste. still too old to be a fanboy. still astonished at the tension in this forum!!

    Everybody take a DEEP breath.... count to three....

  • Mirkan #335 6 years ago

    I think it's inspiring to see that a great discussion spawned from this awful display of games journalism. I think that the whole motto of EG being "real people" affected by hype and having fleeting opinions sets it apart but simultaniously renders it completely useless in deciding what games to buy.

    The thing to supposedly distinguish real reviewers (apart from a salary) from an average gamer is the notion that they are able to judge a game objectively and in very limited capacity count their own opinion or bias. Somehow glorifying the fact that EG state their own opinion is just completely idiotic. At the slightest offchance that you do actually share someone else's opinion completely, you've got an entire staff here, and people usually don't even share the same favourite colour.

    I think the whole Killzone 2 demo thing broke the illusion that EG are able to take the neccessary steps back and judge something fairly, and in being so swayed by superficial things I think it's safe to assume that their reviews share that characteristic aswell. For some reason, Kameo isn't getting the same chance of getting a high score as something that achieves far less, and according to Eurogamer, buying the severely flawed Shadow the Hedgehog is a comparably wise choice. That's something that surely has to strike people regardless of bias as something completely laughable.

  • bootsy_NL_30 #336 6 years ago

    hmmm its a good point but I'm not sure if you can compare scores across platforms or even "generations"

    5/10 on a xbox360 is a score that is in some way based on how much potential or power or gaming experience/inovation is being sucked out of that concave box...three cores/10mb embedded ram on the proprietry graphics chip/a very very effecient bus system/512mb ram bla bla bla and the point the reviewer is making is that for all those specs RARE has delivered game mechanics and puzzles that were designed for the last generation ...

    picture it , you have to make a bridge by freezing and molding a lake up to a hole on the mountain face, or you have a series of platforms that not only move up and down mario style but move in a slitherings/intertwining way like Escher snakes....I dont know I'm no game designer but I do think that it is a good point about last gen game mechanics that have just been ported over.

    I remember one scene out of ALICE on the PC where the bridge to a castle would fall apart like a giant jigsaw puzzle and then in a certain pattern put itself back together again, it was years ago, and god know how many awsome puzzle elements have been put into mario games over the years or yoshi or psychonauts.......who knows maybe the reviewer is anti Rare or anti Xbox , who cares,it is a good point he is making about game mechanics just being ported over.

  • Mirkan #337 6 years ago

    Unless the philosophy has changed completely over the years, with your logic Metal Gear Solid 2 (a 9/10 on this site) playing identically to it's previous gen predecessor shouldn't warrant a score anywhere near that high. Beyond that you may argue that the graphics were unbelievable or that the merits of the first game actually warranted 9/10 even on a new console, but then Kameo sports some insane visuals and the whole argument crumbles.

  • bootsy_NL_30 #338 6 years ago

    ok I'm not really intrested in crumbeling (mmm crumble) anyones arguement, just trying to understand the logic of the reviewer (and reach 400 comments on the thread)

    never played any MGS series , except briefly for 30 seconds on the PC before uninstalling it,so I wouldnt know about those games, and to be honest I dont know anything about Kameo just following the logic of the reviewer and trying to understand the discrepancy between this score and all the other ones on the net.

    oh yeah and my point was about game mechanics not graphics !
    Edited by 1 at 24/11/05 @ 15:30

  • Mirkan #339 6 years ago

    Understanding something basically requires logic. ;)

    So, really, what this article needs is Lynch fans.

  • tengu #340 6 years ago

    MGS2 didn't play identically to it's predecessor.

  • BillGaitas #341 6 years ago

    375

    I dont believe EG is sony biased, because im expecting the same kind of demanding atitude toeards ps3 games.

    If that doesnt happen ill believe it.

    Who am i kidding, i dont really give a dam, i just want this to reach 400. ; )
    Edited by 1 at 24/11/05 @ 16:09

  • Mirkan #342 6 years ago

    I don't really care whether PS3 is as unjustifyably bashed or not, I just find it really unneccessary to mark a game down because of some kind of principle that says that a game can't be good in the last gen sense on next gen to be regarded as a good game. I don't see the generation jump as significant like that, as I trust that regardless of whether a sodding launch game is TEH LIFE ALTERING EXPERIENCE or not, new ideas will eventually come along.

    That said, from the various footage and video reviews I must say that this actually does look a lot different from what we're used to, especially in mixing up different gameplay aspects like Metroid Prime. All of this is beside the point though because my original issue was that it's just not a 5/10 game by any normal quality standards. It just seems like a score decided out of.. spite really.. Some kind of tacked on sense that somehow this generation owes us more with its launch lineup than consoles have in the past, and it's in all honesty a crappy attitude.

    This isn't the first controversial score and most likely not the last.. And it does certainly put EG on the map.. but where it puts its credibility is an entirely different matter.

    376.. Long way to go still. :|

  • bootsy_NL_30 #343 6 years ago

    Ok someone say something contreversial get all the regulars upset and on the warpath, thats good for at least 25 comments


    ok something about Nintendo that usually does it on this site, since most of these guys have a Mario fetish costume in their cupboards

    hey thats not a bad idea, could probably earn some cash with that one!
    Edited by 1 at 24/11/05 @ 16:30

  • bootsy_NL_30 #344 6 years ago

    oh what the hell

    I love mario

    I've played super mario 3 soooo many times on long flights around the world

    my guilty pleasure is a fat italian plumber

  • BillGaitas #345 6 years ago

    Yes, i agree with you bootsy_NL_30. ; )

    Its so unfair that Mario games that look and play the same for the last 10 years still have high rates in Eurogamer

  • thegamesthething #346 6 years ago

    i think they just review the same game every year, but play it on a better telly

  • BillGaitas #347 6 years ago

    Yes thats right!

    In fact, I think that the only reason why Nintendo still makes its own consoles is because neither $ony or M$ want Mario ruining theirs.

    381
    Edited by 1 at 24/11/05 @ 16:55

  • bootsy_NL_30 #348 6 years ago

    I wonder how many xbox360 owners will have emulation software and mario running 6 months from now

  • BillGaitas #349 6 years ago

    none because 360 owners hate mario and nintendo

  • BillGaitas #350 6 years ago

    Ok this isnt working someone must think of something fast, because if three more news apear on EG front page Kameo will sink in Oblivion

  • thegamesthething #351 6 years ago

    never mind, 384 is very respectable

  • thegamesthething #352 6 years ago

    althought now its 385 of course

  • BillGaitas #353 6 years ago

    No, thats 386 and this is 387

  • thegamesthething #354 6 years ago

    i wonder what will come next?

  • BillGaitas #355 6 years ago

    Thats easy. It's 390.

    I love Bill Gates! He is my hero, Thats why I created a profile with his name, well ... sort of.

    On the subject, i dont really think we are gonna reach 400

  • BillGaitas #356 6 years ago

    we need like 10 other posts

  • BillGaitas #357 6 years ago

    I mean 9, wich now is 8! \(OO)/ Please dont disapoint me!
    Edited by 2 at 24/11/05 @ 19:51

  • ImGameCube #358 6 years ago

    6 left is the new 7.

  • BillGaitas #359 6 years ago

    this one is my last

    395 : ) 5 left
    Edited by 1 at 24/11/05 @ 20:55

  • yorkiebar #360 6 years ago

    I suppose I could help out with this little ambition

  • yorkiebar #361 6 years ago

    we must be getting somewhere near the 400 now

  • yorkiebar #362 6 years ago

    little did Rare know that Kameo would make for the most popular (and controversial) thread on EG

  • yorkiebar #363 6 years ago

    tum-te-tum

  • yorkiebar #364 6 years ago

    dunnit!

    I propose a new thread:

    "Sony fanboys are all spotty fourteen year olds who only dis Halo because it scares them and they are only really comfortable playing Fifa Street, Medal of Honor and Sonic the Friggin Hedgerow. Anything else makes them wet their collective knickers."

    Discuss!

  • caligari #365 6 years ago

    A friend of mine threw his X-Box onto the road after picking it up from his girlfriend's place (well, he was actually picking it up because they were splitting...perhaps that's why he also threw it!).

    Anyway, it broke.

    The End.

  • tengu #366 6 years ago

    How many cars did it take with it?

  • caligari #367 6 years ago


    No cars damaged…

    but the impact started a new ice age in the East of England.

  • tengu #368 6 years ago

    lol

  • Scurrminator #369 6 years ago

    No, but you can about the 360s hefty power adaptor...wait...it could melt the ice!

  • ImGameCube #370 6 years ago

    407

    Going once, going twice, sold.

    /thinks about started a debate about quality Vs quantity....

  • cardboardMonster #371 6 years ago

    This backlash is as predictable as it is reasonable. The review is needlessly cynical and unfair, criticising gameplay mechanics which have been employed time and again in current generation "classics". As a launch title, Kameo is polished and respectable. I await your 4/10 perfect dark zero review with baited breath.

  • Rev.StuartCampbell #372 6 years ago

    Shut up you twat.

  • PinkSpider #373 6 years ago

    I played Kameo for about a couple of minutes in Dixons - sure the graphics looked nice and shiny and ive never seen anything like it before (ive never seen a hi end pc). But it just felt like something I'd played before - After walking around for a couple of minutes I went on CoD which I couldnt even control (precision aiming and analogue dont go hand in hand for me).

    Still - its only the first wave of games, they usually arent that amazing. - The best games on the last/ current generation for me where Disgaea and that - the ones that didnt look amazing but hooked me up good style.

  • Vinny67 #374 6 years ago

    Call Of Duty 2 - 7/10, Condemned - 7/10, Kameo - 5/10.
    I was always a fan of this site until all everyone donned their 'Sony goggles'.
    The slating the 360 received prior to launch was absurd, combined with the d*ck sucking Sony got for the in game movies they showed (anyone remember the fuss made about the Bouncer on PS2) for the PS3 really p*ssed me off.
    This latest set of reviews has only convinced me to delete this website from my favourites list and go to somewhere (anywhere) more objective. Somewhere that the reviewers don't have their d*cks so far up Sony's marketting a*se.

  • Cloudane #375 6 years ago

    Eurogamer, you bloody c*nts.

    This game is worth a solid 8/10 and nothing less is acceptable.

  • Darren #376 6 years ago

    It's funny that Eurogamer's lowest rated 360 game so far just so happens to be favourite launch title out of the 11 I've bought. It's such an enjoyable game that I'm dreading finishing the game and that for me tells me how good the game is. 5/10, pah, I'd give it 9/10.

    It's nice to see that the game is selling well and that people didn't take notice of Eurogamer's rather harsh score...

  • miiiguel #377 6 years ago

    I lost a bit of respect towards EG when I read Amped3 review. The guy that did it must be very "out" of the snowboard scene, he made fun of the music and aesthetics of the game, sad... .
    Anyway Kameo:EoP is not a perfect game, but is well above average.
    I'm a pro-european enthusiast, but for reviews I allways check Gamespot.com, I wish I could rely on EG.

  • peterfll #378 6 years ago

    Just finished this the other night. I have to say by no means a classic, but much more deserving of a solid 7 than a 5. I really enjoyed it. Is it really inferior to Marc Ecko's bag o sh*te?

  • Royal Fool #379 6 years ago

    I wouldn't give this one more than 6/10. There are so many flaws in this game, particularly with regards to the length of the actual quest (A mere 6-8 hours), how underused some of the warriors are (You get to make use of their abilities, but only for a short part of the game and then never again - Ash, Snare and Flex are the best examples I think) while others are constantly overused (Major Ruin, Chilla and Pummel Weed).

    Also, as Tom says, the levels were often rather repetitive, or at least the things you are made to do. Too many parts where you can die instantly simply because you didn't aim Major Ruin's rush correctly or didn't manage to perfectly grab on to the wall with Chilla, or all the cannon trolls that keep shooting at you and throwing you off the cliffs. Or the sheer annoyance of the combat system, ugh. And what's more, there's no chance in hell I'm going to replay all those places just to get a high enough score to look at the unlockables - the water temple in particular was annoying enough the first time through.

    This game was practically completed for the Xbox in late 2004, but Microsoft pushed it to the 360 so that Rare could spend time polishing all the graphics and revamping the game's athmosphere. I think they should've just released it as an Xbox game, because as it stands, Kameo feels like a game stuck in the past. Packed with detail and yet so mysteriously devoid of any actual content.

    And yes, I finished the game.