Gears of War Review

By Kristan Reed Published 7 November, 2006

Expectations are the curse of modern videogames.

Version tested: Xbox 360

What do you expect from Gears of War? Does your fevered imagination place you in the white heat of mankind's very survival amidst the shattered remains of a once-proud city and a vicious, uncompromising alien threat? Do you picture a true next generation audio-visual feast so incredible that every scene looks like the most improbable rendered cut-scene where every monster you face looks like some of the grisly abominations that Capcom used as boss monsters in Resident Evil games? Do you fully expect to be left slack-jawed and powerless to resist maxing out your credit card to buy that high-definition TV and surround sound set-up that you've been hankering after? Could it be the perfect splicing of Halo and Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter that you've been looking for? Could it be the 360's big system seller this Christmas?

Or are your expectations so stupidly high that even a game as gloriously polished and relentlessly entertaining as this can leave you somehow let down? Maybe you're just so sick of the barrage of hype over the past 18 months that the endless pre-release coverage has had precisely the reverse effect. Could it be that the steroid-pumped character design of the COG war machine inspires nothing but bile-fuelled apathy every time you see Marcus Fenix's improbable jaw line? It's possible that you've played way too many shooters down the years to get excited about one that's got a prettier skyline than all the others. Or could it be you're impossible to please?

Me? I've lived through both sides of the argument several times over. I've drooled over the pre-release teaser videos - the ones that made it look more like a tense horror shooter than this year's Brute Force. I've sat through CliffyB's excellent presentations and wondered how it could possibly go wrong. I've marvelled at the technical feats that allow Epic to render glorious scenes of shattered majestic architecture and realised that spending silly money on that giant TV was worth every penny. I've also been fearing the worst - that Epic would ruin it with bullet-headed characters, grunting dialogue and a woo-hah save-the-world premise. Worse still, my early X06-based impressions suggested that Gears of War could end up being merely a template shooter with more emphasis on taking cover. An unsophisticated but riotously entertaining duck and gun, if you will.

'Gears of War' Screenshot 2

Someone needs to teach these guys to use cover. Cuh.

Just as contradictory as the arguments that surround the game, Gears of War is at odds with itself. It's a game with the most spectacularly beautiful backdrops and subtle graphical effects you've ever seen in a videogame, and yet within those incredible environments takes place one of the most pure, uncompromising, simple gaming experiences you could possibly have. The premise is as basic as it gets - shoot and try not to get shot by the determined Locust race that are hell-bent on killing every last human. As much as Epic tries to personalise the game with a cast of characters and some basic justification to your trail of destruction, it's about as relentless a shooter as we've played in years.

For the record, you play the disgraced war veteran Marcus Fenix, busted out of jail by his old pal Dom Santiago to aid the Coalition of Ordered Governments' (COG) desperate fight against the mysterious Locust race, thought to be a mutated version of Sera's native life form. The main problem with the lizard-like Locusts isn't just their determinedly violent nature and intent on wiping out all of mankind. No sir. What really makes them especially bothersome is that they reside in a complex system of underground tunnels deep beneath the mantle of Sera, making their whereabouts difficult to pinpoint and their arrival utterly unpredictable. Mere minutes after the game's kick-off, it's apparent that the Locusts can tunnel to the surface at will, making even the most straightforward journey across the planet's surface a hazardous one that's broken up into a regular face-off against them. Right there and then, Epic manages to explain away why enemies spawn out of the ground right in front of you, and it quickly sets the pattern for the game design.

'Gears of War' Screenshot 1

Marcus' singing prowess always got the Locust horde going.

And so, in true Bungie '30 seconds of fun' style, the same design ethos that served Halo so well is in evidence throughout Gears of War thanks to a combination of challenging-but-fair enemies, a forgiving recharging health system and a well implemented control system that puts an interesting twist on the familiar two-stick system that serves shooters so well.

As alluded to earlier, Gears of War's combat hinges on making good use of cover - something which fully justifies the game's use of a third person view. You'll quickly learn that even on the game's 'casual' difficulty that you can't just run around Rambo-style and expect to last more than about seven seconds. Instead, each and every door frame, piece of rubble and column becomes a vital ally in your ability to fight back - but also becomes just as crucial a part of the Locust's defence. With that in mind, Epic has devised an intuitive context-sensitive control system to simplify the process of taking cover and firing over the top or around the side of whatever you're hugging. Simply pressing A against any cover point (illustrated with an icon prompt to make it doubly clear) puts you in the appropriate defensive position, while squeezing the left trigger not only puts you in the over-the-shoulder aiming mode (think Resi Evil 4) but zooms in the reticule to give you the best possible chance of getting a bead on your relentless foe. Pulling out of cover is, again, a simple process of either pulling away from the cover point or giving a further press to, for example, dart between door frames or vault over the top of a low wall. Sprinting, again, is dealt with by holding down the A button while moving forward, allowing you to rush between cover points in a crouched position - complete with shaking war reporter cam view adding a touch of panic to the proceedings. It's a slick, almost perfect balance of functionality and usability that lets you slip into the game without spending more than a minute getting used to how to play the game.

'Gears of War' Screenshot 3

Fashion sense wasn't the Locust's strong point.

Once you're clued up with the controls, the game quickly settles into a series of often-prolonged duck-and-cover sorties as the Locusts begin to rip Emergence Holes through the concrete all around you, and from start to finish Epic does enough to keep all ends of the spectrum happy. As with any shooter, the toughest problem to nail from developer's point of view is coming up with a set of enemies that provide the sort of challenge that's always fun and satisfying. On the one hand you don't want the enemy AI to be too predictable, but nor do you want your arse handed back to you every time you pop your head out from cover.

There's a temptation at this point to grumble that most of the grunts you meet in the early part of the game are a little too one-dimensional. We're talking about the type of enemies that are content to remain entrenched behind cover, and consistently provide easy opportunities to pick off their exposed parts whenever they peep out to return fire. On the other hand, even the DroneLocusts are extremely well defended enemies that can often withstand a decent amount of punishment before they'll go down. And while you'll often take the initiative to do the flanking, it's interesting when the same happens to you and you're suddenly ambushed because all your squad mates are lying incapacitated. All we'll say is, if you really want to enjoy Gears of War from start to finish, take the initiative, be careful and don't play it on 'casual'.

Where the game really starts to shine is when it does the decent thing and introduces a bit more gameplay and scenario variety, with different types of enemies, incredible new environments and some new toys to play with. Just as you're starting to get into a bit of a duck and cover groove, you'll find yourself up against completely contrasting foe like the blind Berserker that can charge through concrete, kill with a single blow and will be invulnerable to your puny firearms, or the massive multi-limbed Seeders that burst out of the ground and tower 30 feet high. Later, in perhaps the most exciting part of the game, Gears of War goes all Pitch Black on us and shows us just how much the Locusts love the darkness, with a swarming mass that rip you to shreds the very second you make the mistake of wandering into the dark. Sometimes, you might end up facing off against several types of enemies at once, all blessed with their own particular strengths, and collectively making complete folly of the tactic of being able to crouch smugly behind a wall and pick them off one by one.

But as entertaining as each of the five acts of the campaign mode most definitely are, it's all over before you know it. Compared with other blockbuster shooters in recent years, it's roughly half the size and clocks in at between eight and ten hours - or less if you're determined to ruin it for yourself in 'casual' mode. Admittedly the game's frequent branching paths make it worth playing through again, and mining the game for those Cog tags and achievements might take a while, but in terms of long-lasting appeal the campaign mode is unquestionably lacking - even with the unlockable 'insane' difficulty mode.

And when you're kicking back with a cigar, basking in the post-climactic glow of the credit rolling completion, you'll probably wonder whether Gears of War's really taken shooters forward in any significant sense. Does it do anything no other game has managed? Does it need to be innovative or progressive in any sense to be considered a must-have? Or is it just the gaming equivalent of a big budget Hollywood movie that's as much a showcase for the technical abilities of the 360 as anything else?

'Gears of War' Screenshot 4

Never play with matches. Or industrial strength acid.

Of course, it's impossible not to be seduced by the sheer artistry of Gears of War's 'destroyed beauty'. Every now and then you have to stop and remind yourself that there was once a time when you could only imagine games looking this good. Sometimes the game does this for us, panning up towards a picture postcard view of an imposing cathedral standing proud among the ruins and affording us a few precious seconds to suck in the view. Other times, you're left agog by cut-scenes of such scale and ambition that they're worthy of Hollywood. On that level alone, there's no better game for demonstrating the wonders of widescreen high-definition gaming, and Epic deserves massive applause for taking gaming visuals to heady new heights. For almost the entire game you'll get immense pleasure out of seeing where Epic can impress next, just as Valve did with Half-Life 2 two years ago. Whether it's creeping through the rain-splattered darkness or venturing into the Locust's murky subterranean stronghold, it's a feast for the eyes. Populate those environments with ridiculously detailed giant beasts and layer on top some of the most convincing lighting and particle effects and it's hard not to be blown away. The fact that Epic keeps on blowing you away with changing environments and new challenges merely reinforces the sense of gaming tourism. Just as Halo did five years ago, Gears of War comprehensively sets the next-gen agenda for visuals so impressively that it instantly makes most other games look old fashioned by comparison.

But, let's face it, looks aren't everything. Cutting through the bullshit, on a purely gaming level Gears of War is not doing anything extraordinary or new on any level. A few novel camera and control tweaks aside, we're in pretty familiar territory with a broadly well-established load-out of weapons, fighting a familiar battle against enemies that for all their gloriously elaborate alien exterior might as well be humans for all the differences they represent in reality. These are AI routines we're well versed in, and familiar duck and cover tactics that we're used to from other games, and, yes, they work to good effect in Gears of War, but let's not pretend that we're wallowing in the future of entertainment. What we have here is an extremely competent action game that's as polished and refined as it could be, and is therefore very enjoyable. But if Epic had applied the same widescreen scope and ambition to the gameplay as it did to the engine we'd be much more excited than we are.

'Gears of War' Screenshot 5

Indoor fireworks - not the best idea ever.

And even though the visuals are technically amazing, we've never been comfortable with the rather camp, beefed-up, grizzled marine characters that we're supposed to sympathise with. Maybe if you're into body builders and Gridiron players this is your thing, but there's something instantly dislikeable about the macho posturing that every character in the game seems to consider a badge of honour. They're like the worst kind of college jocks, with gigantic pulsing necks, arms that look like they're literally going to burst with muscle at any time, and a predictable contempt for one another. In the Unreal universe they'd do just fine, but here they're completely at odds with the noble, graceful architecture of Sera.

Despite all of that, the storyline's actually not bad, and the game's structure flows quite nicely to lend a sense of genuine purpose to all the bug-squishing. You're never left wondering what to do, where to go, or why you're doing it, and for that Epic really deserves credit for dragging gamers through the experience and never dwelling on any one section for too long.

'Gears of War' Screenshot 6

Do Boomers *really* need platform boots? Even mutant aliens have self-image issues.

Inevitably the multiplayer component of Gears of War is big news, but it's important to stress that until boxed copies arrive, we're limited to testing the offline portion of the game. When that time comes (expected to be next week) we will put that side of the game into its proper context and provide an update to this review to take all of that into account. In the meantime, be sure to check out our in-depth hands-on with all three multiplayer modes here.

In a sense, Gears of War lives up to expectations in that it's one of the most intensely beautiful-looking games ever made, but is one that plays by the rules in the gameplay stakes. If you want to gorge on a next generation audio-visual feast then Gears of Wars is a king's banquet. But what of the gameplay pudding that Peter Moore so often reminds us that he likes? The proof, he says, is in the eating, and in this case Gears of War sticks to a well-worn recipe.

8 / 10

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About Kristan Reed

Kristan is a former editor of Eurogamer, dad, Stone Roses bore and Norwich City supporter who sometimes mutters optimistically about Team Silent getting back together.

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  • krudster #1 5 years ago

    Car crash - this way.

  • Dirtbox #2 5 years ago

    /reads review...

    NOT BETTER THAN HALO
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 17:47

  • ecureuil #3 5 years ago

    omg!

  • Camburano #4 5 years ago

    Bah!

  • BravoGolf #5 5 years ago

    So ... as good as Halo!

  • Hunam #6 5 years ago

    No better than halo! :D

  • Lutz #7 5 years ago

    I was gonna deletethe first comment if it was a "first!!!1", but as it's Krudster... ;)

  • Tiiti #8 5 years ago

    WHAT a suprise! :)
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 09:07

  • Xerx3s #9 5 years ago

    /cancels preorder

  • Psychotext #10 5 years ago

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines

  • bonker #11 5 years ago

    Seems a more balanced review and score than the other reviews to me - same old FPS/TPS stuff with next-gen gloss.

    ZzZzZzZzZz

  • Keyz #12 5 years ago

    I knew it wouldn't get lower than 8.

  • morriss #13 5 years ago

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  • Psychotext #14 5 years ago

    Lowest "pro review" score on the net so far... you just had to be different. lol

  • hamstand #15 5 years ago

    refreshing.

  • gizmo #16 5 years ago

    Not as good as Super Smash Bros then?

  • ecureuil #17 5 years ago

    I looked at all the pictures and decided that an 8 seems about right. :)

  • Benno #18 5 years ago

    ooooo mmmmmmmyyyy goddddd

  • brandon-flowers #19 5 years ago

    finally a 10!

    WTF 8!?

  • DrDamn #20 5 years ago

    I see they left room to up the score following more extensive multiplayer testing ...

  • JediMasterMalik #21 5 years ago

    lol Xerxes, don't lie.

    Gonna read it in a bit, just wanted to see what the comments would have started as. I am amazed at 1up giving it a 10 after what they said about it though, alot of flaws to mention and they gave it a 10, weird. Otherwise though the game looks great.

  • Duckula #22 5 years ago

    Region free???

    ??

  • captainrentboy #23 5 years ago

    It's strange that a site journalist would make a post,the first post infact, to provoke a bit of outrage,and conflict :/ I haven't read the review yet as I've got to shoot off to college,but an 8 seems fair enough.I'll still be buying it first thing,infact I'll hopefully get it on the Tuesday as I work in Game :)

  • tiddles #24 5 years ago

    the fanboys are gonna KILL you for lowering their Game Rankings score... :)

  • souljah #25 5 years ago

    DUCK AND COVER!!!!

  • Rusta #26 5 years ago

    Well if you gave CoD2 7/10 and I like that, then this is a must

  • Lex_Luthor #27 5 years ago

    At my signal... unleash fanboys!

  • Eighthours #28 5 years ago

    Oddly, the review text in most places seemed more positive than the 1-up review!

    The game's basically just being marked down because it's nothing "new" then, right?

    (Hang on, didn't you guys just give FFXII 10/10?)

  • lemon #29 5 years ago

    *gasp*

    ...teehee

  • Foundry #30 5 years ago

    And so it begins.

  • JackB #31 5 years ago

    Teamxbox - 9.6
    1UP Review - 10/10
    Gamespot - 9.6
    Yahoo Games - 4.5/5
    Xplay(TV) - 5/5
    Official Xbox Magazine - 10/10
    IGN - 9.4

    Eurogamer 8, why does that not surprise me, when Chromehounds got a 4...

    Doom got a 9 from Eurogamer. And here's a really funny one. COD 2 and Perfect Dark Zero both got 7's. Yeah, it was splitting hairs between those 2 shooters, but one thing is for sure, neither could compare to DOOM! Now that's a 9 for sure! LOL.

    Good stuff. Reviews you can count on... Do they pick their review scores by playing darts after a few pints? LOL!
    Edited by 2 at 07/11/06 @ 21:11

  • spindizzy #32 5 years ago

    No mention of Sony bias yet? ;-)

    Well, from skim reading it, it looks like this would probably be a lot of fun. And the graphics do look absolutely gorgeous.... so if I get a 360 at Christmas, this will be top of the list of games I want to play.

  • lambtron #33 5 years ago

    's funny

    I don't own a 360 and I was kind of meh about this game.

    But everything negative you have to say doesn't put me off at all - I kind of like silly machoism (i.e. 80s action films like Commando and Predator). I KNOW its stupid and completely improbable and in the real world has no place. But in light entertainment I like it!

  • Yossarian #34 5 years ago

    not enough spiky hair

  • Rambaldi #35 5 years ago

    What's the big deal with an 8? What's the bid deal with it not re-inventing the wheel?

    /sticks on Feeder and wonders why shite like Arctic Monkeys have to be 'new'

  • Razz #36 5 years ago

    :D

  • Helios #37 5 years ago

    When does this ship to the UK?

  • JetSetWilly #38 5 years ago

    Otters noses, ocelots spleens, wolfs nipple chips. Get em while they're hot.

  • SwedBear #39 5 years ago

    Ahh, it's the same thing as usual from EG. It's not innovatinve enough so therefore it's not more than an 8 ;).

    i liked the review though and since I actually do not mind it not being that super long it just confirms that this is the game for me.

    Looking forward reading more about multiplayer.
    BTW - no mention how the game plays in Coop mode? But you maybe didn't get more than one copy i guess. Would have been fun to see how Coop was on one machine though.

  • Yossarian #40 5 years ago

    needs a Gambit system, all this fighting yourself instead of having the game do it is tiring

  • binky #41 5 years ago

    From what I can tell, the only thing it's been marked down for is a lack of empathy with the main character?

  • DrDamn #42 5 years ago

    > Teamxbox - 9.6
    > 1UP Review - 10/10
    > Gamespot - 9.6
    > Yahoo Games - 4.5/5
    > Xplay(TV) - 5/5
    > Official Xbox Magazine - 10/10
    > IGN - 9.4

    Seems like most of those also based the score on the potential of the online element - which until you get the full release will not really be rateable.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 17:38

  • Dodgymat #43 5 years ago

    Does this mean EG are also going to update the Chromehounds review ?

  • richardiox #44 5 years ago

    Sounds good, nothing that new granted but good nonetheless.

  • krudster #45 5 years ago

    Offline co-op is fine, but I hate split screen. I'm waiting until I can play it on Live before commenting much. The gameplay is exactly the same, apart from the fact that you can revive one another - making it slightly easier to progress.

  • Lex_Luthor #46 5 years ago

    "needs a Gambit system, all this fighting yourself instead of having the game do it is tiring"

    The gambit system is optional, but don't let that get in the way of the bitterness.

  • Yossarian #47 5 years ago

    "What's the big deal with an 8? What's the big deal with it not re-inventing the wheel?"

    Eurogamer have a fetish for games doing something new, unless lololol they're on a Sony platform

  • ralphwolfenstein #48 5 years ago

    An EG 8 is as good as any of those scores

    I think criticising a game for 10 hours solo playtime is odd though - I want to be able to finish it!"

  • bivith #49 5 years ago

    "And even though the visuals are technically amazing, we've never been comfortable with the rather camp, beefed-up, grizzled marine characters that we're supposed to sympathise with. Maybe if you're into body builders and Gridiron players this is your thing, but there's something instantly dislikeable about the macho posturing that every character in the game seems to consider a badge of honour. They're like the worst kind of college jocks, with gigantic pulsing necks, arms that look like they're literally going to burst with muscle at any time, and a predictable contempt for one another"

    And yet I bet "Aliens" is your favourite of the movie series.

  • Zomoniac #50 5 years ago

    Seems like most of those also based the score on the potential of the online element - which until you get the full release will not really be rateable.

    Nope, it came out in America today, they'll all have boxed copies and will have been playing the multiplayer already, probably why they all scored so highly.

  • woodnotes #51 5 years ago

    "No mention of Sony bias yet? ;-) "

    Yes - Eurogamer are t3h bi@53d!!!

    Well they did get a PS3 rather early, and have been banging on about it for ages. So, one would think they are biased.

    But I'll wait for the Edge score before deciding that! However, does seem a little strange how the 360 version of SCDA gets 9/10 (which was inferior to the XBOX version), FFXII gets 10/10 (when you spend most of your time watching rather than playing) and then GoW gets an 8/10.

    But as usual, read the review, not the score...

  • Yossarian #52 5 years ago

    "From what I can tell, the only thing it's been marked down for is a lack of empathy with the main character?"

    it's only a really great, amazingly good-looking game. you can't waggle the controller at it and there's no Gambit system.

  • Helios #53 5 years ago

    I'd like to point out that this review is:

    Biased Towards Sony
    Secretly promotes nintendo Wii
    Implies that the PS4 will be better than the Xbox 1080/

  • jmctavish #54 5 years ago

    Red Steel>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;>Gears of Shit

  • apolloscollapse #55 5 years ago

    What do I care if it doesnt move shooting games forward, just release the damn game already, I wanna shoot some locusts!!

  • Kostabi #56 5 years ago

    Are your squadmates with you all the time or just in certain portions of the game?

  • PS3lol #57 5 years ago

    yawn another mediocre sony fanboy review. Maybe you should review it when you play online.

    Gamespot 9.6/10
    IGN 94%
    OXM 10/10
    1UP 10/10
    Play 10/10

    Eurogamer once again fails on so many levels. Earlier Eurogamer pleaded with gamers not to look at Resistance fall of man as a medoicre ww2 shooter with aliens, but that's all it is. They give Gears 8/10 in th hope it won't derail PS3 launch. Well guess what it has it's one of the highest scoring games ever on most sites and your review is not important.

  • trousers #58 5 years ago

    Not as good as Sensible Soccer 2006 then?

    I've not played the game so I can't comment on how good it is but it must be REALLY broken if it gets less than the somewhat bollocksed up mess that was Sensi 2006.

  • Helios #59 5 years ago

    I was hoping for a score like this, anyhow. If it scored below an eight i'd have considered canceling in favour of Rainbow Six.

  • DrDamn #60 5 years ago

    @Zomoniac
    I doubt many of the reviews gave the online element a proper play today. Have they really had time considering it is still morning in some areas of the US?

  • Psychotext #61 5 years ago

    "Maybe if you're into body builders and Gridiron players this is your thing, but there's something instantly dislikeable about the macho posturing that every character in the game seems to consider a badge of honour. They're like the worst kind of college jocks, with gigantic pulsing necks, arms that look like they're literally going to burst with muscle at any time, and a predictable contempt for one another"

    Do the big nasty men make you feel inferior Mr Reviewer?

    =)

  • krudster #62 5 years ago

    Simple fact is, I enjoyed SCDA more than this, if that counts for anything. An 8 suits this game fine once you see beyond the amazing visuals. The gameplay really isn't that amazing - sometimes a game just feels like an 8, and this is one of those :(

  • MoGamer2006 #63 5 years ago

    Another bunch of homo-erotic stereotypes killing mindless aliens but now in HD... Hmmm.

    MSoft say the next gen is now, but can they wake me up when it *really* starts?

  • Lukus #64 5 years ago

    A predictable 8. Though the first half of the review reads very much like a 9. Confusing. Plus multiplayer not taken into account? Surely a guaranteed 9 then?

  • krudster #65 5 years ago

    When I look at Gears of War's character art style it makes me think of Zzap 64 and Crash covers, in a bad way :)

  • Yossarian #66 5 years ago

    "Are your squadmates with you all the time or just in certain portions of the game?"

    they predominantly are. there are also branching paths where the group splits in two. in co-op you have to cover one another from these paths (e.g. taking out a turret on one path that is pinning your friend down), but krudster didn't play co-op before reviewing this game, so bzzzzzzzt on that I'm afraid.

  • MrAtheist #67 5 years ago

    Wow, if the lead character was Elton John it would have been a 10! :)

  • Yossarian #68 5 years ago

    "Another bunch of homo-erotic stereotypes killing mindless aliens but now in HD... Hmmm."

    I guess this is why they're frantically trying to distance Resistance from the 'WWII with aliens' tag before the launch review

  • Tonka #69 5 years ago

    Cover Quote
    "Gears of Wars is a king's banquet"
    -Eurogamer

  • Zomoniac #70 5 years ago

    @DrDamn

    Bear in mind they'll have had the final copies for several days, as I said. They'll all have been playing against each other for a while now.

  • Lukus #71 5 years ago

    Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here. The character design will make you a god damned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me.

  • JetSetWilly #72 5 years ago

    I think that's an excellent review krudster. The 1up review by comparison is pathetic and if Dan Hsu has any integrity he would pull it from the site after seeing the depth and breadth of yours.

  • krudster #73 5 years ago

    If it'd have been Elton John, I'd have played as Dom and had endless hours of enjoyment shooting the piano player. 10/10

  • stuarty_2003 #74 5 years ago

    See these days, would it not just be easier to give a review of the single and multiplayer elements of a game independently?

  • krudster #75 5 years ago

    By the way, I did play co-op, but offline split screen.

  • morriss #76 5 years ago

    So will the mulitplayer review affect the score? If it's teh awesomez will the score rise, or by the comparison will it fall if it's sh1te?

    (Doesn't actually know why he cares)
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 17:50

  • thehat #77 5 years ago

    Sounds fair enough to me. I'll get it and be wowed by the visuals for a while.

  • Yossarian #78 5 years ago

    you guys called Ico out on being too short, right?

  • Nostromo13 #79 5 years ago

    if this was for the ps3 you know it would be 10/10 ;)

  • DrDamn #80 5 years ago

    @Zomoniac
    Yes but my point is that experience can often be very different to the full on joe public experience. Where server and lag issues can effectively destroy the online experience. I hope the score goes up next week - I hope the online stuff works very well in practise.

  • Yossarian #81 5 years ago

    "if this was for the ps3 you know it would be 10/10 ;) "

    but the weapons in Resistance omgomg

  • stuarty_2003 #82 5 years ago

    Battlefield 2: Modern Combat 8/10
    Burnout: Revenge 8/10
    Cloning Clyde 8/10
    Dead Rising 8/10
    Doom 9/10
    FIFA 07 8/10
    Fight Night Round 3 8/10
    Football Manager 2006 8/10
    Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 9/10
    Hitman: Blood Money 8/10
    LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy 8/10
    MotoGP 2006 8/10
    Mutant Storm Reloaded 8/10
    Need for Speed: Most Wanted 8/10
    Pac-Man 8/10
    Peter Jackson's King Kong 8/10
    Pro Evolution Soccer 6 8/10
    Project Gotham Racing 3 8/10
    Ridge Racer 6 8/10
    Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis 9/10
    Test Drive Unlimited 8/10
    The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 10/10
    UNO 8/10


    Plus GOW 8/10 and SCDA 9/10


    Not been a bad year, overall!

  • JediMasterMalik #83 5 years ago

    Good review imo, the 1up review was shocking for the score, there's o way, after thos complaints, it deserved a 10. I think the game deserves a 9 though, from what I read there are some amazing set peices, and the sound is great aswell.

    What does FFXII have to do with anything? Seriously, people are allowed opinions, even if you disagree with them.

    @Yossarion - Resistance weapons really are very original, the soldier design is not ott bulky, and ICO was too short.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 17:53

  • morriss #84 5 years ago

    And now you're reading Krudster. Where's the Tiger Woods review?!!

  • Lex_Luthor #85 5 years ago

    "What does FFXII have to do with anything? Seriously, people are allowed opinions, even if you disagree with them."

    Agree. Especially given the people bitter about FFXII's review haven't played it it seems. Or this for that matter...

  • PS3lol #86 5 years ago

    Yes and Splinter cell DA felt like a 8/10 game. I've played through it twice and it does nothing new. The trust system is a gimmick, the JBA missions are dull, the animations and sound effects are ripped from Chaos Theory, and it's all over in 8 hours. Yet it scores 9/10.

    If you don't like macho main characters fair enough but I don't see how that warrants docking the score. It never pretended to reinvent gameplay, it just does the action genre better than any game that's gone before it. RFOM is a straight up FPS that doesn't reinvent anything yet you can't stop singing its praises for no reason at all besides tha fact it's on PS3.

  • haowan #87 5 years ago

    Yossarian am cry

  • NthSimulachum #88 5 years ago

    Oh teh noes! It isn't a 9! I can't bear the shame of preordering the game now!

    In all seriousness, sounds like my type of game. Multiplayer should be a hoot, and over-the-top macho crap can be amusing, even if unintentionally so. And as for lack of longevity, I'd prefer 10 hours of diverse single-player entertainment to 20 hours of repetitive cut and paste room after room, which this most certainly does not look like.

    Innovation? I'll wait for System Shock 3*cough* BioShock.

  • lemonfist #89 5 years ago

    FWIW, I read the 1UP review and found it baffling that he awarded it a 10/10 after using at least half the review text to convey what's wrong with the game.

    By comparison, the EG review is excellent and at least gives you idea why the game is fun.

  • manuel_garcia #90 5 years ago

    Since when was 8 considered a bad score anyway?

    Apply some common sense, average out all the review scores around the net and make your decision on that.

    Its good to have the opinion of someone thats tired of shooters and hype, since there are a fair few people who read this that will feel exactly the same. Its all just opinion. I mean I read the FFXII review and it was like they were describing a different game to the offline MMO borefest that I played the week before, but I still respect it because the person reviewing it seemed to enjoy it... whereas I couldnt be more burned out on that genre if I tried.

    If you need the opinion of a shooter fan then read the other reviews on the net, this is a good counterbalance for people that are somewhat tired with it all.

    I'm not, roll on next friday!
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 17:55

  • ram #91 5 years ago

    8/10. If I'd got that in all my exams I would be president by now.

  • thehat #92 5 years ago

    Expectations are the curse of modern videogames

    :D

  • Yossarian #93 5 years ago

    "Since when was 8 considered a bad score anyway?"

    never! Halo got an 8

  • Psychotext #94 5 years ago

    ram: You'd clearly be too intelligent to be president with scores like that.

  • IMO #95 5 years ago

    Am I the only one who could care less about 'original' weapons in games. Give me a shotgun, assault rifle and sniper rifle and send me on my merry way!

  • Xerx3s #96 5 years ago

    Read the review. Fair nuff.

    However, the following is a bit bull imo: "And even though the visuals are technically amazing, we've never been comfortable with the rather camp, beefed-up, grizzled marine characters that we're supposed to sympathise with. Maybe if you're into body builders and Gridiron players this is your thing, but there's something instantly dislikeable about the macho posturing that every character in the game seems to consider a badge of honour. They're like the worst kind of college jocks, with gigantic pulsing necks, arms that look like they're literally going to burst with muscle at any time, and a predictable contempt for one another."

    Will you be making similar comments with the next generic spiky hair gheylord standard design animé rip-off character in just about every J game?

  • PS3lol #97 5 years ago

    Average ranking on gamerankings 95%

    [link url=htt p://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928234.asp
    ]http://ww w.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/9...[/link]

    this is proof your review is way off the mark, as usual when it comes to 360 games.

  • tiddles #98 5 years ago

    As good as Pac-Man then?

  • Decoded #99 5 years ago

    Awesome. I can feel the fanboy indignation coursing through the thread. I can imagine them all, hunched over their computers and frothing at the mouth because someone on the internet gave a game 1 point less than they feel it deserves - despite never having played it :D

    The biggest lol of all, however, is reserved for the twat bringing FFXII up.

  • tiddles #100 5 years ago

    I quite enjoyed Jaws Unleashed.

  • Lex_Luthor #101 5 years ago

    "Gears of Wars looks good but not as good as the excellent looking Resistance: Fall of Man"

    Oh fuck off with this troll bait shit.

  • richardiox #102 5 years ago

    "Gears of Wars looks good but not as good as the excellent looking Resistance: Fall of Man "

    lol yellowtruck you kill me, you're so incessant it's incredible.

  • Frogger #103 5 years ago

    Thanks EG for half-resolution screenshots. This perfectly suit such a next-gen game with gorgeous graphics.

  • t8yman #104 5 years ago

    so its only 1 better than NFS:C then.

    Maybe EA are onto a winner with their tired, rehashed old franchise and sloppy framerate

  • Dirtbox #105 5 years ago

    EG should ditch reviews and just have bitching instead.

  • itamae #106 5 years ago

    The biggest lol of all, however, is reserved for the twat bringing FFXII up.

    Psst, the same twat even mentioned Ico further down that page. :-D

  • weeno #107 5 years ago

    Does anyone really care about the score at the end of the review anymore?
    Eurogamer usually write pretty decent reviews, but the end score rarely matches the review.
    If you look at the reviews list the game scores are all over the place, in my opinion.

  • EmiliasHorse #108 5 years ago

    Oh good Yellowtruck has finished his homework.

    I liked the review. I will play it next week and see what score sits best with me.

    The score for Tiger Woods is a 7 not 8 no 7....9?....No 7.

    Definitely 8.

  • Ihya #109 5 years ago

    Nice review Kristan.

  • Yossarian #110 5 years ago

    "Does anyone really care about the score at the end of the review anymore?
    Eurogamer usually write pretty decent reviews, but the end score rarely matches the review.
    If you look at the reviews list the game scores are all over the place, in my opinion."

    I read the review before I check the score, but the score is like a cumshot in the pornographic gallery that is gaming culture on the Internet

  • Dizzy #111 5 years ago

    8? Good enough.. sounds ace from the review. This is the game to beat this xmas if you are into action.

  • Psychotext #112 5 years ago

    Hooray, everyone's fave Sony fanboy has made it to the party. Show some love BustedTruck.

  • polar #113 5 years ago

    This review only confirmed my interest in GoW. What's wrong with an excellently executed blockbuster anyway? As mentioned previously, there's something very enjoyable about a well made game that sticks to its task, as opposed to an innovative one that fails in it's aims.

    I'm just hoping the multiplayer lives up to its potential, as I really liked UT & UT2004 for their unrelenting bullet ballet and hopefully this will prove an adequate udate of epic's formula.

  • PS3lol #114 5 years ago

    "It feels like a 8/10 game"

    ROFL, go back to your shiny new PS3 Eurogamer, you've let Sony brainwash you. Gears of war is the game of the year, 95% average on gamerankings.

    It's so easy to score a great game a shit mark to grab attention away from bigger sites, but there must be another way. You've put this in the same league as Fifa 07, that's just not right.

  • OhWiseOne #115 5 years ago

    These guys are fools:


    1up.com (Shoe’s review) – 10/10
    GamesRadar – 10/10
    OXM US – 10/10
    OXM Australia – 10/10
    X-Play – 5/5
    360 Mag UK – 5/5
    Gamespot – 9.6/10
    TeamXbox.com – 9.6/10
    IGN – 9.4
    OXM UK – 9/10
    GamePro – 4.75/5
    Yahoo Games – 4.5/5

    They just love to be different.

  • richardiox #116 5 years ago

    the first one arrives...

  • polar #117 5 years ago

    I'm surprised by some of the reactions here. Since when is 8/10 on EG not a very good score?

  • BartonFink #118 5 years ago

    8/10 from EG - good enough for me. The score seems at odds with everybody else but it's only one opinion. And something has to be very special indeed to score a 9 or 10 around here.

    Jaysus I really hope the review of Resistance doesn't get a 10 (rather likely considering the gushing preview) this place will be a fucking nightmare.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 18:12

  • PS3lol #119 5 years ago

    This review is a joke. If you're going to rate one of the biggest games of the year at least have the balls to wait until you play it online, other people put in 30 hours online before they reviewed it.

    Such a half assed review, I bet you'll play Resistance fall of man online with it's 40 player matches before you rate that game. Come back when you've played the game and stop trying to get your unfinished review out at the same time as the big boys who've had the game all week.

  • Khanivor #120 5 years ago

    Fuck off yellowtruck

    /drinks

  • spongebob #121 5 years ago

    To me this game is what MS wants their Xbox content to be:
    loud, masculine and good looking.

    So it's definitely worth picking if you're a alpha male.

  • stuarty_2003 #122 5 years ago

    @ disc - It has it's moments, ('cept when tossers beat me at pro evo)....but how anyone can complain when on average there is at least two 8+/10 games coming out a month is beyond me!

    I remember me PS2 at launch - it took a while to kick off esp with Fifa 2001 as a launch title!

  • gaselite #123 5 years ago

    I haven't really been keeping up with the hype of this game and therefore have little weight of expectation. From what I had seen I knew that I didn't expect it to reinvent the wheel and that was never an issue for me, so as a well crafted shooter, I expect it'll be a good game (and I am pretty much 90% likely to buy it), as Eurogamer outlined well in this review, and were not afraid to expose some of the games faults and shortcomings so that the game isn't completely swallowed by a miasma of internet-review-hype and inflated scores proclaiming it to be the next big thing after a whirlwind of promotional hype, something I'm sure we've all been stung by before. I'd just like more of it, if gaming outlets could be equally honest with franchises like Halo for example, that'd be fantastic, but I digress. This game always looked like a fairly typical shooter at its core but with an incredible level of presenation and visceral sheen that probably make it a game worth experiencing, I look forward to seeing for myself without expecting anything that will change the future of gaming in anything but a graphical/visual sense.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 18:18

  • BartonFink #124 5 years ago

    Has anybody told yellowtroll to fuck off yet?

  • The-Bodybuilder #125 5 years ago

    Suprise suprise.
    I just knew EG would hold the character design against it. I'm sure if he was a skinny teen with a giant sword, it would be ok.

    Other than that, it seems a pretty balanced review. But I just hate the fact that people still hold the design against them (but don't mind seeing other character design over and over again.
    It just seems a bit snubbish to me, like you just had to control your hatred for it.

    But a decent review non the less.

  • PS3lol #126 5 years ago

    I'm sorry Krudster you're allowed to score the game whatever you want, I'm not having a pop at that just your score. It's nothing personal I just don't like the way Eurogamer gushes over games like Final Fantasy and Resistance and nit picks on great 360 games.

  • Psychotext #127 5 years ago

    There's not been nearly enough drinking yet... =(

  • Inflatable #128 5 years ago

    A review is just the opinion of 1 person, that's why they don't mean everything..

    If by far most reviewers of reliable gamesites give a game a 9+ you can bet it's a very good game.. There's no game outthere that gets just 9+ reviews though.. There's always someone outthere that doesn't totally like a game and therefor gives it a somewhat lower rating.. Kristan Reed of EG happens to be one of those people.. Who cares? The 10/10 of 1UP is kindof silly aswell..

    People should not get so worked up over reviews.. They are just an indication, and you still have to find out for yourself if a game is your thing.. I know already GoW is my thing, so I'm not worried about a 8/10 on EG.. Besides that, 8/10 is still not bad, and other big gamesites all give it a 9+..

  • Mekah #129 5 years ago

    Hahahaha

    Let's see, from his Doom 3 review:

    "It may not feel like it's taking gaming forward to any appreciable degree in terms of astounding new ideas, but when it's as all round immersive and entertaining, who cares?"

    And now...

    "But if Epic had applied the same widescreen scope and ambition to the gameplay as it did to the engine we'd be much more excited than we are."

    This guy's a hack.

  • Psychotext #130 5 years ago

    The Bodybuilder: lol, that's such an apt nickname for someone who is offended by their comments on "alpha males"! =D

  • Yossarian #131 5 years ago

    "It may not feel like it's taking gaming forward to any appreciable degree in terms of astounding new ideas, but when it's as all round immersive and entertaining, who cares?"

    cackle

  • sharpfish #132 5 years ago

    For the first time ever I disagree... at least in theory, i'll let you know when i've played it ;)

    Seriously though an 8 puts it into saints row and Test Drive terriotry and it's obviously at least 2 better than those from effort alone :)

    1up and gamespot say it rocks and we all understand it's "nothing new" and that it's "superficial" but if it rocks along the way then it's gotta score high, otherwise you better go and knock 2 off of all your past 360 review scores!!! ;P

  • PS3lol #133 5 years ago

    Before I leave

    100 1UP Each stage is memorable...They all combine for an unforgettable adventure through 36 hectic, desperate hours of a group of soldiers' lives...A visual and visceral masterpiece.

    100 Play Magazine Gears of War is truly a breakthrough: The absolute finest game of its kind. The bar has definitely been raised. What Halo did for first-person shooters, Gears does for third person - it's that good.

    97 GameBrink From the amazing experience that is the single player to the well balanced and extremely fun multiplayer to the visuals and beyond Gears is the best game of the year hands down.

    96 Team Xbox If you're a graphics whore, you absolutely, positively need to pick this game up. To say that Gears of War features "next-gen graphics" is a gross understatement. It's got the most impressive graphics ever seen in a video game, and the stellar art direction only makes it more beautiful.

    96 GameSpot A wicked game of hide-and-seek with high-powered future guns, which delivers one of the most heart-pounding and graphically thrilling experiences of the year. If its exciting campaign doesn't rope you in, chances are the team-based multiplayer will--either way, Gears of War is downright amazing.

    95 Game Informer This is one of the best co-op games I have played, especially when you crank the difficulty past Casual and up into the Hardcore and Insane levels. Working with your buddy to flank and outwit the enemy is a blast.

    94 IGN There is a healthy learning curve to the cover system, but those who master it will find Epic's twisting and turning and rolling an exciting change-up in the shooter genre, a blend of fast-arcade action and basic, tactical maneuvering. The Insane difficulty level gives Gears legs months after you've finished the relatively-short campaign, and even with a friend it is an impossible, irresistible challenge.

    those are the real reviews for this game, ignore this flame bait review and go buy this game, it's amazing and blows away all PS3 games for the next year.

  • kaosridder #134 5 years ago

    EG is usually below average according to gamerankings. That goes for several platforms (-7,4 % 360), (-8,8 %PS2). So dont sweat it.
    That said I find it odd that the Liveoption is secluded and still give a score. Doesnt make sense. Same thing happened to Halo 2. Will you do the same with the PS3 or is it only happening to xbox-blockbusters? Just wondering.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 18:24

  • haowan #135 5 years ago

    8 is high

  • The-Bodybuilder #136 5 years ago

    And I can't remember the last game of this kind to have 20hrs play? Halo was 10 hrs, and even SC:DA is about 10hrs.

    But yet it's a bad thing here?

  • rare_uk #137 5 years ago

    8/10 is good score at EG. I'll be getting it now

  • Googly-eyes #138 5 years ago

    "Hahahaha

    Let's see, from his Doom 3 review:"

    Doom 3 is over two years old. Higher expectations?

  • Yossarian #139 5 years ago

    "And I can't remember the last game of this kind to have 20hrs play? Halo was 10 hrs"

    and Halo got an 8!

  • kaosridder #140 5 years ago

    bodybuilder - I suspect EG-reviewers are pretty easy targets when it comes to hype. Remember the "real nextgen"-comment regarding the PS3 after some Sony-conference?

  • sajtion #141 5 years ago

    i agree gears of war is a technological achievement in terms of graphics and animation. it has certainly set the standard for future xbox 360 games, but once you look beyond that, its just a plain game offering the old gameplay we've played many times before. i'm not buying it because i knew it all along

  • repairmanjack #142 5 years ago

    Eight out of ten? From you guys? Great. I'll call it a nine as the protagonists don't remind me of the guys that beat me up on the way to school each morning.

    Good review. The negatives are the same old stuff (and they're not things that remotely bother me), so I'll politely ignore them.

    Looking forward to you reappraising Chromehounds for the online too...

  • PS3lol #143 5 years ago

    You left out online play, so it's half a review?. You don't review one of the biggest important games of the century and leave out such a big part of the game. Is it ok to review Halo 3, score it 8/10 and not play it online?. Eurogamer messed up. And it matters becaue you're wrong score goes against its overall score in gamerankings.

    Bad review.

  • Yossarian #144 5 years ago

    "Well think about how many gameplay hours and levels Resistance will have, And you get the picture. It's not something Xbox 360 is going to be able to compete with due to DVD9. So let's make an issue out of it. 360 devs are going to have to focus on quality and innovative ways to fill the short hours with worthy entertainment."

    amazing post

  • Psychotext #145 5 years ago

    "Well think about how many gameplay hours and levels Resistance will have, And you get the picture. It's not something Xbox 360 is going to be able to compete with due to DVD9."

    lmao Wonger... I hope that was a joke.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 18:39

  • Beano #146 5 years ago

    Great.. now we can write "As good at Gears then" for every 8/10 review in the future :)

  • NemesisEnforcer #147 5 years ago

    Kristan just loves to purposely underscore any hyped games.

    Splinter Cell 4 9, Gears of War 8? Joke.

  • Putty-Man #148 5 years ago

    Nice review tho I must admit 10 hours gameplay is plenty for me. If the MP is any good then thats another million hours potentially.

    Will be interesting to see how it weighs in against COD3 and R6 Vegas in the online steaks tho.

  • Stickman #149 5 years ago

    Thread lives up to expectations.

  • Veldaban #150 5 years ago

    "Will you be making similar comments with the next generic spiky hair gheylord standard design animé rip-off character in just about every J game?"

    I hope so. But this is not a Japanese game, so the reviewer wouldn't be able to comment on it in this review, would he? But this and the teenage-macho-style criticism of GoW ARE fair comments to make.

  • SomaticSense #151 5 years ago

    Great review. Microsoft wanted this game to be hyped up to hell no matter how good/bad it was so it'll sell. It's a legitimate business strategy. I understand as well that a lot of internet sites and magazines were also to blame for the hype, but that could only have been because MS and Epic only fed them the information they wanted to hear. This is a strategy that all good salesmen use to great effect, show the customer only the good things and speak highly of the product non-stop and most customers get sucked in and will truly believe that they must buy it as they desperately need it, only to find out the next day that what they have bought is useless.
    They succeeded and every Yank fell for it (and looks like a few naive European as well...) leading to massive sales.

    Don't get me wrong, it looks a terrific game and looks great fun to play and I'll definitely be buying it when it comes out. But it was hyped up by MS and Epic as if it was the best thing ever, but from what I saw in videos and read in various previews while it looked great, it never looked like a groundbreaker or that it did things better than other action games that have come before it. There was nothing I noticed that confirmed it was above other First/Third Person games of the same ilk. For example, it got MUCH more hype than R6: Vegas, but never really looked like it did anything better than Ubisoft's game. Both look about equal in the quality/playability/excitement from the previewer stakes according all the videos and previews, but still one was placed higher than the other by the gaming community who hadn't played either. That was purely because of the hype placed on it by Microsoft.

    But like these people that buy a toaster from a salesman even though they've already got one, they'll subconsiously force themselves to believe the hype in order to avoid disappointment. Nobody likes disappointment after all, especially if it's something you've been waiting for for well over a year.

    EDIT - Just like to add. I seriously think the main reason everyone was excited about it is the whole "Kick Ass Marines killing scary monsters" thing as well that really does appeal to the majority of the game playing public (me as well admittedly. I loved Aliens.). If this game hadn't used that premise, then it would have been the same great game, but would have recieved nowhere near the same amount of love from people who hadn't even played it.
    Edited by 2 at 07/11/06 @ 18:53

  • solidred #152 5 years ago

    I'm suprised EG found away from PS3 to even review this game.
    In any case, I seriously can't believe anyone will base their opinion on buying a game from an EG review. EG is good for news but thats about it.

  • pinhead #153 5 years ago

    /pre-orders GOW.
    /Awaits comments thread on resistance fall of man review...

  • Mekah #154 5 years ago

    "Doom 3 is over two years old. Higher expectations?"

    So where were his higher expectations for Doom 3 coming out god knows how many years after Doom/Quake? All it got was a new graphics engine with the same old gameplay and OMG 9/10!

  • Yossarian #155 5 years ago

    "Thread lives up to expectations."

    nah, it's too short and doesn't do enough to push things forward yet. I didn't read comments 1 through 101 yet, though

  • jack_klugman #156 5 years ago

    I almost exclusively (well, some game blogs and the occasional copy of Edge included) base my purchases on Eurogamer reviews. Haven't failed me yet.

  • The-Bodybuilder #157 5 years ago

    >"The Bodybuilder: lol, that's such an apt nickname for someone who is offended by their comments on "alpha males"! =D"

    Yeah, I know.
    But even me, with my awesome alpha-manliness ;-) can play j-rpgs and be okay with the character deisgn (in fact, I rarely even think about it).
    But EG really seem to hate, so much so that it's thier main grip about the game.

    ANd someone made a good about about the comment of doom 3 to GOW.

  • PS3lol #158 5 years ago

    Why would you review the game and then post this as the first post in the comments section.

    "car crash this way"

    It's like you wanted to anger 360 owners into responding to your half finished flame bait review to get your ratings up on this site. Once again I say to gamers the average ranking for this game is 95% on gamerankings take no notice of this review. Sony gave them a PS3 and a large money hat to score this game low and put Resistance on the front page whenever possible.

  • malteaserhead #159 5 years ago

    SomaticSense lol!

  • krudster #160 5 years ago

    If I was the one reviewing JRPGs I'd almost certainly make note of iffy character design if I saw it. It's been mentioned in every review I've ever done when it's been worth commenting on.

  • mattigan #161 5 years ago

    As a personal preference, 10-12 hours is enough for me, just played through halo 2 (on easy, just to see the story) and thought that went on a bit too long.

    I am totally in agreement on the macho bullshit character, saw a gameplay vid and when the main character says SWEET in a stupidly deep voice upon picking up some ammo I thought 'that's annoying' and it was the first time I'd heard it. They should have a look at some REAL soldiers and model a character on them, you don't have to be built like a brick shit house to be hard as nails.

    Great review BTW, looking forward to THP8 more tho.

  • JediMasterMalik #162 5 years ago

    @NemesisEnforcer - a 9 is underscoring? Since when? Since it's on the 360 every game doesn't have to be a ten to make it right. >_>

  • bauhaus #163 5 years ago

    Any Wolf nipples left?

  • gaselite #164 5 years ago

    I don't understand, some of you are citing gamerankings. Take a look at 1up's 10/10 review of this game. It's shite, poorly written and comes across as the rantings of someone who's just finished his time with the game as though he had a rather satisying orgasm. You'd take the crap more seriously than a well written, seemingly well thought out Eurogamer review? Makes no sense to me, at least reviews here have a sense of honesty from the reviewer. Far too many people pay attention to the final arbitrary score out of 10 and comparing that to other sites thn they should though.

  • Dire #165 5 years ago

    can't wait to see the ps3 reviews. most looking forward to the Resistance: Fall of Man review.

  • Mr_Brown #166 5 years ago

    I don't care what Eurogamer give it, I know I'll love this game. Plus 8/10 is great. I never though this would be better than Halo, its just another Ace up Microsofts sleeve and another great reason to be glad I brought a 360.

    So any word on whether this is region free or not?
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 18:53

  • Dodgymat #167 5 years ago

    Wonga you can't be serious. This game is 6Gig. Are you saying if it was 15 hours and filled a DVD9 it would be OK ?

    Cliffy B has said many times he's more into creating 'short and intense' experiences rather than 'long and repetitive' and 10 hours to play through a quality shooters' singleplayer is perfect, and then you've got insane difficulty, and multiplayer of course...

  • Darren #168 5 years ago

    That score is surprising...

    So according to EG, Gears of War which everyone else is claiming to be a system seller and a true next-gen game isn't even as good as Splinter Cell: Double Agent, a game they gave 9/10 to despite it's last-gen engine and level design?

    /confused

  • malteaserhead #169 5 years ago

    Crofto - lol

    have you played it?
    Then get your tongue out of the collective EG ass.

  • Dodgymat #170 5 years ago

    Yes Mr Brown it's region free - confirmation can be found at that sky xbox place.

  • morriss #171 5 years ago

    @Crofto - EG have given some 360 games higher scores the Gamespot. Take Splinter Cell for instance.

  • dudefella #172 5 years ago

    I don't understand people's infatuation with comparing scores! It's an insanely hyped game that got fantastic reviews everywhere mostly because it looks the biz, it doesn't actually look like it reinvents the wheels and deserves 10s. And an 8 is a fine score! Fans of the genre can purchase without reservations. Seriously, what is the big deal? Opinions differ.

    I just want to say congrats on a great, well-argumented review Kristan.

    /wishes numeric scores would be thrown out the window

  • brooza #173 5 years ago

    I've not actually got high expectations of this game, but then I thought the same about Halo

  • space_ace #174 5 years ago

    kill.switch with orbital lasers? nice

  • MilkYMoO #175 5 years ago

    Well 8/10 is a great score oh I can't wait now to get my hands on it.

  • Yossarian #176 5 years ago

    games are tremendous or terrible. there is no middle ground like 'very good'.

  • EmiliasHorse #177 5 years ago

    The Splinter Cell 4 score of 9 is confusing.


  • JediMasterMalik #178 5 years ago

    Why?

  • PS3lol #179 5 years ago

    "I don't understand people's infatuation with comparing scores! It's an insanely hyped game that got fantastic reviews everywhere mostly because it looks the biz,"

    Not true, sites like Gamespot don't hand out 9.6 to any old game. The last game to get that was Oblivion and RE4 before that. And Jeff is a Sony fanboy so 9.6 from him is even more impressive. Splinter cell DA is not 9/10, I've played through it twice. It's worse than Chaos theory in most departments. To say it's better than this game which will probably be GOTY along with Zelda TP is stupid.

    Just admit it's another bad review from Eurogamer that left out online play and got hung up on small details like how the main characters look.

    Just stupid.

  • solidred #180 5 years ago

    Well last game I bought off an EG review was Sensible world of soccer which was 9, what a disgrace. They seemed to based on the fact that it was cheap. To buy a game on EG would not make sense. Gears has got great score from pretty much everywhere, to say that Gears is not a great game based on EG review would be foolish. Isn't EG review written by ex News round kids ? ;). Either way, get Gears and play it for yourself, ignore the fanboys from both sides.

  • PS3lol #181 5 years ago

    And it's not a 10 hour game, online play adds 100+ hours to the game. If you score a game lower because its single player is only ten hours then why did Splinter cell get 9/10 when it has a very short single player game that has no co-op like this game?.

    So many things don't add up in this review.

  • thefilthandthefury #182 5 years ago

    But 8 is a good score. I fully expected a 10, but 8 means it's a fantastic game.

  • Gnort #183 5 years ago

    "Thread lives up to expectations."

    Nearly. Nobody has compared anyone to Hitler yet.

  • NemesisEnforcer #184 5 years ago

    "Crofto" See this is why Eurogamer are probably the best at reviewing games on the entire internet. They don't buy into hype and graphics alone, the game needs to have that certain 'thing' to get a superb review, and it's pretty obvious to me that Gears of War isn't ground-breaking in gameplay terms.

    I laugh my head off at all those daft Americans making out that Gears of War is like the second coming (e.g. IGN... Hell, even Gamespot who seem to be overrating most 360 games these days), but with Eurogamer you can get a genuine review on a game, no matter how much hype it has.

    (Just a shame that they got it oh-so terribly wrong with Oblivion)

    I guess thats why Gamespot, IGN smokes this site in popularity then. So many members just MUST be suckers to trust those higher review scores.

  • penhalion #185 5 years ago

    Ahhh now this is a proper review. Not like the wierd inacurate preview of Resistance. This game is as short as I said it would be (no suprise there!) and offers nothing new. Get 30 quid back on the trade in so I'll buy this next week and take it back the week after, then buy phantasy star universe.

    Only regret is that Epic will break even with this easy.

  • Dr.Mott #186 5 years ago

    "Nearly. Nobody has compared anyone to Hitler yet."

    OMG, EG is teh Hitla!!!!11!1
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 20:21

  • Dodgymat #187 5 years ago

    Fair enough Wonga, took me nearly 6 weeks to complete RE4, so I'm probably much older than you ;) Gears will probably take me a few weeks !

    I think of Dead Rising when I see a games' length being a factor in reviews - it may only be 6 real hours from start to finish but that didn't stop me playing through 7 times so far :)

    *edit* you deleted ! I'm not tripping :\

    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 19:12

  • JackB #188 5 years ago

    BartonFink
    07-Nov-06 18:11:13
    "8/10 from EG - good enough for me. The score seems at odds with everybody else but it's only one opinion. And something has to be very special indeed to score a 9 or 10 around here."

    ======================

    Like Doom, which EG gave a 9? Yep, I guess the salesman at the store will say, well if you want a very high rated FPS for the 360 you might try DOOM. It got a 9. OR you could try this other game called Gears of War, but it only got an 8, so I'd recommned DOOM. Much better. LOL.

    EG is just plain weird when it comes to reviews. If you read the text and then try to predict the score you'd say 9, but he gave it an 8. He also said, he'll "adjust" when he plays multiplayer. The other sites have been playing multiplayer on Live's PartnerNet.

    EG reviews are often outliers (that's a statisical term meaning far outside the bounds considered normal).
    Edited by 2 at 07/11/06 @ 19:15

  • asphaltcowboy #189 5 years ago

    Can't wait for my pre-order to arrive. I reckon this will probably be a 9 for me (particularly as I though SC:DA was definitely worth it's 9). I am all for short, intense gameplay experiences (like SC:DA and seemingly GoW) if they're incredibly polished. If it looks good, plays really well and is an all round solid experience, then it can justify being 10-12 hours of gameplay. If it's got a great multiplayer on top of it (as it seems with SC:DA and GoW - I don't know, I don't have my internet connection yet) then that just adds to the value.

    Now can we have the Rainbow 6 review please! :D

  • PS3lol #190 5 years ago

    well done Sony fans, you've got a bunch of PS3 fanboys writing all the reviews here so it's win win for you guys.

    Resistance fall of man will score 10/10 just like FF the other day.

    Games like Gears of war are only worthy of a 8 because MS didn't give Eurogamer a free money hat like Sony did when they brought around there PS3 last week.

    even though it's ranked 95% on gamerankings, Gears of war is a lowly 8 here on Sonygamer. Was to be expected I guess. MS should have coughed up the bribe money like Sony if they wanted Eurogamer on there side. I'm just glad that only a few British gamers will be mislead by Sonygamers review of this game.

  • sajtion #191 5 years ago

    who wouldn't wanna get stuck in a game whereby you hide behind a wall and shoot over and ooover again...hide and shoot.....hide and shoot......oooh it will get repetitive after 30 minutes no doubt
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 19:16

  • UncleLou #192 5 years ago

    Game sounds great to me, I'd buy it in a heartbeat if I had a 360.

    The 360 zealots with console post-purchase anxiety are really getting boring now though.

  • MilkYMoO #193 5 years ago

    Did'nt eurogamer say they'll review the multiplayer part next week and then update the score for me 8/10 on eurogamer is a great score but next week it could get a 9 so I'm really excited by this game now and can't wait to get it and then theres the gamecentral score still to come the only other place whos reviews I trust.

  • The-Bodybuilder #194 5 years ago

    >"and Halo got an 8!"

    But was it ever mentioned as a problem?
    And what about SC:DA. Roughly the same tim, yet not problems. Or MGS 3.

  • The-Bodybuilder #195 5 years ago

    >"Well think about how many gameplay hours and levels Resistance will have, And you get the picture. It's not something Xbox 360 is going to be able to compete with due to DVD9. So let's make an issue out of it. 360 devs are going to have to focus on quality and innovative ways to fill the short hours with worthy entertainment."

    /puts on ignore.

  • asphaltcowboy #196 5 years ago

    wow sajtion, you really haven't been listening have you?

  • welshben23 #197 5 years ago

    The Splinter Cell 4 score of 9 is confusing.

    NO! Its utterly stupid, ok its a million miles better than the last game. But its not a 9.

  • PearOfAnguish #198 5 years ago

    "Well think about how many gameplay hours and levels Resistance will have, And you get the picture. It's not something Xbox 360 is going to be able to compete with due to DVD9. So let's make an issue out of it. 360 devs are going to have to focus on quality and innovative ways to fill the short hours with worthy entertainment."

    Haha yes! Because Oblivion, Morrowind, GTA:SA all needed Super-Duper Blu-Ray to store their enormous worlds!


    Oh.

  • sepiroth6 #199 5 years ago

    I had to make a profile here after seeing your review.
    Any respect you had with me as a site is now gone forever and i wonder how much money sony payed to lower your score or if they didnt there is seriously something wrong with you people here because gears realy isnt a game for 8.

  • asphaltcowboy #200 5 years ago

    It definitely is! Love the fact it was faster paced than previous iterations, but kept the core gameplay as tense and exciting as before. Love the fact it wasn't as easy as the previous games (in as much as there's no longer just LOADS of darkness everywhere), loved the decisions, the JBA missions really shook things up. It felt fresh and new but was still a game from a great series.

  • KD #201 5 years ago

    Good review, all i got to do now is get the damn money for the game so i can go through the singleplayer with a mate over live. Any confirmation its region free yet?

    hehe loads of bitching going on here, i wonder what would happen if the multiplayer update boosted it to a 10 :p
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 19:33

  • Lex_Luthor #202 5 years ago

    "I had to make a profile here after seeing your review."

    On Gamerankings, yeah? No doubt the first time you'd heard of the place :p

  • itamae #203 5 years ago

    I had to make a profile here after seeing your review.
    Any respect you had with me as a site is now gone forever and i wonder how much money sony payed to lower your score or if they didnt there is seriously something wrong with you people here because gears realy isnt a game for 8.

    Boy oh boy, Xbox fans are scary.

  • jozz #204 5 years ago

    Nice review. Sounds like a buy for me. Can't believe some people are complaining about an 8 though.
    Feels wierd that it's actually coming out next week. Where does all the time go? o_o

    Ah, I see the fanboy double-team has shown up :/
    Edited by 2 at 07/11/06 @ 19:38

  • Azazel #205 5 years ago

    Awesome. I can feel the fanboy indignation coursing through the thread. I can imagine them all, hunched over their computers and frothing at the mouth because someone on the internet gave a game 1 point less than they feel it deserves - despite never having played it :D

    Yep. 'Nuff Said.

    I might well get this, it's been a while since I enjoyed a glorious bit of big dumb blow-shit-up entertainment.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 19:41

  • Helios #206 5 years ago

    I had to make a profile here after seeing your review.
    Any respect you had with me as a site is now gone forever and i wonder how much money sony payed to lower your score or if they didnt there is seriously something wrong with you people here because gears realy isnt a game for 8.

    You registered just to show us how much of a total twat you are? That's dedication.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 19:38

  • IMO #207 5 years ago


    NO! Its utterly stupid, ok its a million miles better than the last game. But its not a 9.


    A million miles better than Chaos Theory?!?!

    YOU, OUTSIDE, NOW!!!

  • Xerx3s #208 5 years ago

    So. Who has cancelled their preorder because it is 'just an 8'?

  • Helios #209 5 years ago

    This game will be perfect for me:

    Big guns - good
    Big explosions - good
    Chainsaws - good

  • morriss #210 5 years ago

    Lex is the furthest thing from an X360 fanboy that I could possibly imagine yellowtruck. Stop being a child.

  • Mordum #211 5 years ago

    First of all, I wish all reviews would do away with the scores at the end... they offer nothing extra to the review, and in some cases even confuse things. From what I've read, the bad points raised really don't sound like anything that would matter at all to me (macho character design, tried and tested gameplay... not a problem). It's very important to me that the Live multiplayer is a blast, most of my gaming these days is done online, so I'm just hoping that side of things will be very good. Afterall I would have sold on Splinter Cell: DA already if it was'nt for the great online multiplayer modes. Talking of which, I must admit to being very surprised when Double Agent got a 9/10 score... the 'choices' that you have to make were very thin, and did'nt offer much to the game in reality, apart from those additions the game safely followed the typical Splinter Cell formula we're used to, but I did enjoy it)... sorry for going a little off topic there, the Splinter Cell review was raised earlier, so just putting in my thoughts.

  • Negotiator #212 5 years ago

    The second worst review score ever after Halo, come on 8/10 your taking the piss mate your taking the piss.

  • haowan #213 5 years ago

    Lex_Luthor a 360 bot? Now THAT is LOL

  • ronuds #214 5 years ago

    I don't have any issue with a score of 8... I haven't even played the game, so how can I judge. I do, however, have a very strong issue with releasing an incomplete review of a game. Multiplayer, these days, is as much a part of any game as the single player and to not even have touched that aspect of the game before reviewing it is unprofessional in my opinion.

    It's like reviewing a car without the engine installed. Really... it's awful journalism. "I've played half of what the game offers, yet I'm qualified to give you a review!!!"

    Yeah... right.

  • Steroyd #215 5 years ago

    Oh dear lord the guy who said that EG would Preview Resistance before the GeoW because GeoW got a lower than expected score was right. o_O props to the guys paranoia.

  • Xerx3s #216 5 years ago

    First of all, I wish all reviews would do away with the scores at the end... they offer nothing extra to the review

    Oh but they do! They give fanboys something to rave about and boost the page hit count. ;)

  • PS3lol #217 5 years ago

    No you're the twats for swallowing Eurogamers fanboy BS reviews. Just because you score a game lower than everyone else doesn't make you fucking cool.

  • welshben23 #218 5 years ago

    Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious Prawnking! :p

  • gerald #219 5 years ago

    Boy, i'm really sick of these "its-more-than-an-8" and "sony-paid-EG-for-this" guys. They sound embarrising whiny ("mummy, EG killed my toy's metacritic score, baaahh";).

    Read the fucking review and you know it's a fun game ...

    GoW on Xbox360 is what Black was on PS2: A compotent, fun and pretty shooter, but hardly innovative and somewhat short. Guess what, I enyoyed Black very much and undoubtly would get Gears, if i had a 360 (primarily for the multiplayer).

    And please wait until the PS3 reviews before declaring "sony-bias".

  • Lonestar #220 5 years ago

    All this Gear of War Hype has passed me by. I mean, I've been aware of the name and the "look at the Graphics" posts but not what the actual game entailed.

    I watched a gameplay vid on Youtube last night and I still can't fathom whats so great about it. The one thing that irked me was how the player's character had 'skating on ice syndrome' when running about. It's all very well have great graphics but if the model doesn't convey the feeling of weight and momentum it all goes the window in my opinion.

    Besides, if a game I was looking forward to recieved an 8/10 I'd still look forward to be playing it.

    What's all the melodrama about?

  • ronuds #221 5 years ago

    @ Steroyd

    Ha! I have no doubt Resistance will be scored better than Gears on EG. Every preview from this site has absolutely gushed over the game. Most other sites I've seen have said the game is "meh" though. Even EG's preview of the PS3 itself trashed the 360 every chance they got.

  • BartonFink #222 5 years ago

    Lex an Xbot? lol poor truckie.

  • Lex_Luthor #223 5 years ago

    "Lex_Luthor a 360 bot? Now THAT is LOL"

    Like my namesake, no matter how hard I try, I cannot win :/

  • The-Bodybuilder #224 5 years ago

    Honestly, EG should have just waited till all aspects of the game (online & co-op) had been played before making a review.
    Releasing a review now and possibly "updating" the score (which I doubt they will, considering they will be playing against americans. I hope that the americans don't find out that Krud is an EG reviewer) just seems like a rush job to match the release of other reviews.

    Either way, a game is a game. An a review is a review.

  • The-Bodybuilder #225 5 years ago

    >"I had to make a profile here after seeing your review.
    Any respect you had with me as a site is now gone forever and i wonder how much money sony payed to lower your score or if they didnt there is seriously something wrong with you people here because gears realy isnt a game for 8."

    So you made an account just for that?

  • PS3lol #226 5 years ago

    If you base your purchases on Eurogamer reviews I pity you. You think Fifa 07 is as good as this game?, you think Splinter cell DA is better?

    you're retarded here at Eurogamer, you have no idea what good games are. Your gaming collections must be full of shit like Fifa street. You rate this game 8/10 based on a half finished review.

    I pity you as do most other gamers who are now laughing at this schoolboy review that belongs on user reviews at gamespot.

  • Pirotic #227 5 years ago

    None of you guys have even played it, so how can you say which review is right and which is wrong? My only concern at the moment is how on earth they justify giving this an 8/10, when they have not even played the multiplayer modes. The fact that they have rushed a review of an unfinished game to make forum news is a bit of a let down.

  • Psychotext #228 5 years ago

    haha, nice one BrokenTruck but I own every single console from the last gen and I'll own every single console from the next gen. I'm a gamer, not a fanboy... what are you?

  • kissthestick #229 5 years ago

    thank you eurogamer for this legendary thread :D

  • PS3lol #230 5 years ago

    "GoW on Xbox360 is what Black was on PS2"

    Like I said people here have no idea. Eurogamer has warped your minds to like shit games and miss out on genuine killer apps like GeOW. Free money hats from Sony payed for your brainwashing training from Eurogamer.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 19:55

  • lemon #231 5 years ago

    So, not worth buying a 360 for then?

  • haowan #232 5 years ago

    "Either way, a game is a game. An a review is a review."

    And a lollerskate is only half of a pair of lollerskates. Yeah I want the review a week after the game was released just so I could read about the multiplayer. Let me correct that. No I don't.

  • Pooley #233 5 years ago

    Good review. Much more balanced than 1Up and some of the others I've seen out there today.

    @disc - good guess at an 8/10. However, I guess 9/10 after they review the multiplayer.

  • Razzajazz #234 5 years ago

    Is 8 really that bad a score? Why do people feel like the sky is falling?! Anyone here who actually reads EG regularly will know that not very many games get a 9 or 10, and that's why I trust 'em. I mean, 1up have already had to pull one review this week (NWN2), so it's not like they're the ones to trust, right?

    Anyone who is berating the score that EG have given the game, why do you care so much? If they're "so obviously Sony's bitch", why get so wound up? Aren't you going to buy the game anyway? So what do you care what they think? It's pretty goddamn insecure, if you ask me!

    This is EXACTLY what I expected from the game, and I will still be buying it. I don't need Krudster to give the game a 10 before I rush out and buy it.

    BTW, nice review, Krudster! I understand exactly what you were getting at, so just laugh at the fanboy trolling. That's what I do....

  • Scimarad #235 5 years ago

    I can't believe the amount of tossers on this thread that consider an 8 'marking it down'? WTF are you ON! You freaks are so insecure it's just incredible...

    Personally I've decided to buy it on the strength of this review as I suspect will many others.

  • Super_Zee #236 5 years ago

    I'm finding all the fanboy stuff hilarious! Read a thread a couple of days ago arguing seriously which next-gen console uses the most wattage!

    This looks great - it may be a tried-and-tested formula but if it does it so obviously well, then count me in.

  • dllord #237 5 years ago

    EG rates Risatance fall of man on PS3 10/10 SHOCKER!!!!!

  • BartonFink #238 5 years ago

    Wot Scimarad said ^

    Half the tosspots probably haven't even read the flippin review.
    Edited by 2 at 07/11/06 @ 20:05

  • PS3lol #239 5 years ago

    " Expectations are the curse of modern videogames"

    No expectations are the curse of 360 owners who come to Eurogamer. Just rename this site to Sonygamer and put us out of our misery. We all know you're wages are bumped up with Sony's free money hats. Most of the British gaming sites are which is why most UK gamers are stinking Sony fanboys.

    I was willing to give this place a chance after it seemed to be getting back on track, but releasing a Gears of war review without playong it online shows how much you care about important 360 games. Not alot.

    I wonder if you'll be so quick to throw out Resistance fall of man review with no multiplayer impressions. Oops I forgot Sony's free money hats won't allow that. Only 360 games are allowed to tossed out half finished.

  • Razzajazz #240 5 years ago

    BTW, does anyone know how yellowtruck got his name? I can just imagine....

    "Look, mummy, yellow truck, yellow truck!!!!"

    "Well done son, now if you promise to stop dribbling on your school uniform I'll buy you an ice cream."

    Just a guess.... :)

  • J_C_X #241 5 years ago

    Gamespot gave it 9.6 highest I've seen since RE4. I am looking foward to this and hope it lives up to the hype.

  • dudefella #242 5 years ago

    Everyone just STOP STOP STOP.

    READ the review. The score is JUST A NUMBER. I am absolutely certain that if there was no score, but the review was exactly the same, there would be no fuss.

    "WHATS THIS!? A HYPED GAME, NOT GETTING PRAISED TO HEAVENS!? BIAS! SONY FANBOYS! BOO! HISS!"

    Listen to yourselves people!

    It's an 8! That means it is a GOOD GAME! So what if one writer on the internet doesn't agree with you! If you like the game, then why the hell does this bother you? It is a fair review, which I doubt half of these whining asstards realise because they looked at the number and were all fire and brimstone because it doesn't conform to expectations/popular opinion.

  • Psychotext #243 5 years ago

    "Psychotext: You're a rich gamer as well."

    Nah, I just don't pick up consoles at release prices. I got an xbox free with a mobile, a PS2 for Ł120 and a gamecube for Ł55. Will see how cheap I can get the next gen consoles for. =)

  • PS3lol #244 5 years ago

    "Personally I've decided to buy it on the strength of this review as I suspect will many others."

    So you'll buy it because of a half assed Eurogamer review with no online impressions?. What's wrong with Gamespots 9.6 review or IGN's 9.4 review. Both had extensive multiplayer impressions and gave good reasons for there scores. To American for you?.

    Like I said nothing but shit for brains on this site.

  • Gouki #245 5 years ago

    IGN: 9.4/10
    GameSpot: 9.6/10
    1up: 100/100
    TeamXbox: 9.6/10
    DailyGame: 90/100
    GameInformer: 95/100

  • qwerty123 #246 5 years ago

    what i want to know is did the programmers use graphical effects such as screen tearing, the 360 seems to be quite good at doing that.

  • Hughes. #247 5 years ago

    Halo is shi.... oops, wrong thread.

    Anyway, this is not a score that should discourage anyone who was already stoked about this game from buying it. It looks like it delivers in a lot of areas except longevity and originality.

    After the multiplayer preview the other day I was expecting maybe a 9, but it's certainly never looked a system seller to me (that's meaning I wouldn't buy a 360 on the strength of this game alone).

    If you disagree with the review, buy the game, enjoy the game, and laugh it off. The best revenge is living well.

  • haowan #248 5 years ago

    yellowtruck
    07-Nov-06 20:10:17

    @disc

    say "please"
    ==========================


    So you ARE a retard yellowtruck? HE DID SAY PLEASE

  • Pooley #249 5 years ago

    The score's not that important anyway surely. If you like this kind of game, you'd happily go out and buy it, even if it scored less. It's much more important to read the review, understand how it plays, and then decide whether you'd like it or not, rather than just looking at a mark out of 10.

    I guess people are disappointed that after all the hype this game isn't scoring 10/10 everywhere.

  • sajtion #250 5 years ago

    a conclusion i got from this review is that the reviewer didn't enjoy the game but had to give it 8 regardless. the 1 mark less of predicted 9 is of big significance and shouldn't be overlooked. obviously the game is pretty good but not enjoyable

  • Gl3n #251 5 years ago

    Great review. I can always trust the boys (and girl) at eurogamer to come up with a hype free assessment. Kudos.

    For those of you whinging, read 1up's latest piece of crap.

  • Carlo #252 5 years ago

    Wow, GoW didn't live up to expectations!

    /would never have guessed.

    A trustworthy review, as always Krudster.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 20:18

  • Lonestar #253 5 years ago

    |o| “Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the children !?!"

  • Steroyd #254 5 years ago

    Good i remember all the hype surrounding Doom 3, even i was stoked on it, but when i eventually shelled out extra money for the limited edition it hurt so bad i felt i was practically playing Doom 3 graphics with Doom 1 gameplay.

    I've wised up since then i've always been wary of the shooter and fighting genre in particular because those genre's needs a kick up the bloody backside.

    Speaking of Doom 3 i see Krudster gave that a 9 on PC seems that you've wised up since then eh?

  • Dr.Mott #255 5 years ago

    "obviously the game is pretty good but not enjoyable"

    As much as I hate resorting to internet speak, this comment truly deserves a 'WTF'

    /Tries to wash away the dirt. Must get clean. Must get clean...

  • Azazel #256 5 years ago

    And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

  • qwerty123 #257 5 years ago

    360 gamer magazine also gave it an 80%, according to gamerankings.com

    lets face it- Two 8's and Fourteen 9+'s has got to be considered a great game

  • El_MUERkO #258 5 years ago

    9.1 on game trailers, good review, seems to hit all the major points

  • PS3lol #259 5 years ago

    Proof this is a half assed review.

    No mention of mulitplayer, no co-op impressions, all screenshots were taken by other websites no Eurogamer pics.

    There review is based on a few gaming sessions spread out over a few weeks, They don't even have the boxed finished game. I could write the same review, steal a few screenshots from other sites say things like let's cut through the bullshit this game does nothing new, and score it 8/10.

    What a great review for the most wanted game of the year, Eurogamer should be proud.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 20:22

  • Gearskin #260 5 years ago

    8/10 is a fine score. But why is there a multiplayer preview on the 360 page from one writer saying Gears is innovative, with a review from a different writer saying it isn't? Wouldn't it make more sense to just slap a 2nd opinion on the bottom of the main review?

  • IMO #261 5 years ago

    284 Comments!?!?!

    o_O - GET A LIFE PEOPLE

  • JediMasterMalik #262 5 years ago

    WoW, a 360 magazine gave it an 8 aswell. I think that pretty much sums up that this game must be shit. Eurogamer and 360 gamer UK !!HAVE SPOKEN!!. ;)

  • GrandpaUlrira #263 5 years ago

    So all the people who've played the finished game think it's definitely a 9 or 10? Because I'm sure no one would be commenting out of ignorance...

  • jonnyreb #264 5 years ago

    Releasedate: 2006-11-17

    Noooooooooo

  • PS3lol #265 5 years ago

    The review says

    ". Admittedly the game's frequent branching paths make it worth playing through again, and mining the game for those Cog tags and achievements might take a while, but in terms of long-lasting appeal the campaign mode is unquestionably lacking - even with the unlockable 'insane' difficulty mode.
    "
    YOU CAN PLAY THE CAMPAIGN ONLINE OR OFFLINE IN CO-OP MODE WITH FRIENDS. HOW IS IT LACKING, WHY DIDN'T YOU MENTION THIS IN THE REVIEW.

    I can't believe you are payed to review games and leave out such a massive feature of the game that adds many many hours to the game. Pathetic.

  • manlord #266 5 years ago

    I'm sure the game is great and all, but for most people this is a little much blood and killing I think. And these monsters!?! Almost silly.

  • qwerty123 #267 5 years ago

    360 GAMER VERDICT 8/10, online score.
    Those who choose to play alone are likely to find themselves wanting in the long-term due to the brevity of the Campaign, but the compulsive multiplayer options will undoubtedly make Gears a popular online choice until the inevitable sequel rolls along. Oh, and Halo 3, of course.

    An alternative Gears of War review by Rob Burman appears in 360 GAMER magazine #18, on sale 16 November '06

  • kasabian72 #268 5 years ago

    after reading the review, an 8 sounds about right. maybe an adjusted 9 after the multiplayer options, and maybe a 10 if it had been more innovative/original overall? sounds good to me, not sure why some are offended by the score.

    to play devil's advocate though...

    i can understand some people's love/excitement/anticipation/hype for a game is so much that they expect or demand the highest score possible or they think it's a slight against the game. being a Zelda fan, i'm looking forward to seeing a 9 or 10 for TP myself. but if it goes down to 7 or 8 for whatever reason(i'm thinking controls with the wiimote might be an issue), i can certainly understand that and take it with a grain of salt. a score is an opinion, but it's the review itself and the info/facts within it that tell the real story.

    (apologies for the extreme nintendo-fanboyism indicated above)

  • spongebob #269 5 years ago

    Oh goddammit people, get a life, or at least some self-esteem! Who the hell cares what EG or any other site writes about the game if you enjoy it. Go ahead, buy it, play it, love it or hate it. It's not like you need a reviewer to back up your opinion what is fun and what is not.

  • Lex_Luthor #270 5 years ago

    "360 GAMER VERDICT 8/10, online score"

    Oh noes! Now Sony are buying the reviewers on 360 mags!

  • qwerty123 #271 5 years ago

    i find IGN to be a good benchmark when it comes to game reviews.
    i'd suggest to everyone forget about this score of 8/10 (one guys opinion, as are all reviews i know) and go with the majority, so if your into shoot-em-ups then enjoy

    IGN
    Closing Comments
    Gears of War is a must-have game, pure and simple. Epic has effectively created a new gaming universe, and the rich story of planet Sera holds its own with the likes of Hyrule, City 17 and the Mushroom-friggin'-Kingdom. A game so gorgeous, both visually and audibly, that is this fun to play comes along only a handful of times a console generation.

    9.4/10 OUTSTANDING

    ill be placing my order now

  • Steroyd #272 5 years ago

    Wow nearly 300 comments because a very hyped up game got a 8. o_O

    And I bet a new original game that breaks new ground and is fun to play gets what... a 12?
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 20:48

  • haowan #273 5 years ago

    i find IGN to be a good benchmark when it comes to game reviews.


    AHUAHUAHUAHUAHUA

  • manlord #274 5 years ago

    AHUAHUAHUAHUAHUA
    -------------

    Is that supposed to be laughter?

  • qwerty123 #275 5 years ago

    it must be a good benchmark as the average score on gamerankings is 94% and ign gave 9.4/10
    you do the math
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 20:54

  • Steroyd #276 5 years ago

    the rich story of planet Sera holds its own with the likes of Hyrule, City 17 and the Mushroom-friggin'-Kingdom.

    Did IGN just use the words Rich Story, Hyrule and Mushroom Kingdom in the same sentecnce? o_O

  • spongebob #277 5 years ago

    it must be a good benchmark as the average score on gamerankings is 94% and ign gave 9.4/10 you do the maths

    I like how you guys think a good game boils down to numbers. I guess I should start a gaming site that has not words in the reviews, just plain numbers, which can then be lifted to Gamerankings or whatever. Makes you also wonder how many of you people who are after high marks really even intend to buy or play the game.

  • lemonfist #278 5 years ago

    Lots of awesome multiplayer vids up at Gametrailers now.

    Very tempted to get a 360.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 20:57

  • qwerty123 #279 5 years ago

    to spongebob
    one site (popcultureshock) gave it an A+
    is that good enough for you

  • JediMasterMalik #280 5 years ago

    Good point about the enemies practically being human with different skins. Are most of the enemies like that?
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 21:00

  • icelt #281 5 years ago

    Just want to throw my hat into the "a very well composed and bias explained review."

    Keep up the good, and IMHO usually fair, journalism as those of us that truly appreciate it are all that more likely to continue frequenting this site because of it.

    As an aside, since all consoles (past-present-future) each have their own relative strengths and weaknesses, I don't understand the benefit of all the f-boy absolutes that get thrown about.

  • PS3lol #282 5 years ago

    "I like how you guys think a good game boils down to numbers"

    And I like how people at Eurogamer want to throw scores out the window when the reviewer gets it wrong.

    Oh and he did get it wrong, leaving out co-op and multiplayer from your review is criminal.

  • The-Bodybuilder #283 5 years ago

    >"And a lollerskate is only half of a pair of lollerskates. Yeah I want the review a week after the game was released just so I could read about the multiplayer. Let me correct that. No I don't."

    Well considering the game isn't out here FOR ANOTHER WEEK, I guess my point still stands.

  • patchbox360 #284 5 years ago



    Eurogamer reviews these days seem to be more based on the emotion of the writer towards the game as opposed to any kind of system

    Giving King Kong an 8/10 and GOW 8/10 highlights the problem

  • Steroyd #285 5 years ago

    what problem that they're both good Shooters that don't stray from the tried and true formula?

  • tobsen #286 5 years ago

    I just watched some videos over at IGN, and while the level of detail is certainly impressive, some animations looked kind of awful (enemies falling over etc.). Same goes for the grenade effects.

    Worse, the whole tone and style screams "lowest common denominator" for me. Not the game that will make me buy a 360 after all.

    tobsen

  • ChromeMud #287 5 years ago

    An 8,oh dear,all this time and it's just a pretty solid shooter with
    a naff macho design.

    /sells 360 on ebay,orders PS3 & Resistance

    /ends sarcasm!

    edit:- don't change the review score as this will upset fanboys who
    will lynch you for ever other game that get's reviewed.
    It's a shame that this game was not reviewed in it's entirety including
    Co-op and multiplayer but I guess that's life!
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 21:14

  • JetSetWilly #288 5 years ago

    500 anyone?

  • haowan #289 5 years ago

    "Well considering the game isn't out here FOR ANOTHER WEEK, I guess my point still stands."

    Not quite, genius - seeing as it's not out for another week that's a whole week of not reviewing the multiplayer, causing an extra week's delay in posting the review. Fancy a review of the MP section of the game tht was played exclusively against Americans with all the associated lag and WOOHOOing that entails? Maybe you do, I dunno.

  • stonypoint #290 5 years ago

    good review, thanks!

  • Agent_Llama #291 5 years ago

    Official Xbox Mag gave it 10? And that's not biased reporting, obviously.

    Good on ya Eurogamer, 8 sounds perfectly reasonably. Besides, who cares? Viva Pinata's out soon!

  • PS3lol #292 5 years ago

    "Not quite, genius - seeing as it's not out for another week that's a whole week of not reviewing the multiplayer, causing an extra week's delay in posting the review. Fancy a review of the MP section of the game tht was played exclusively against Americans with all the associated lag and WOOHOOing that entails? Maybe you do, I dunno.
    "
    Seeing as Europe doesn't get this game for another week yes they should have waited and played it online against the yanks so they could make a opinion on the other half of the game, beats leaving it out.

    If you're going to change the review score when you play it online what's the point of scoring it today and messing up gamerankings with a score that isn't going to stand?.

  • spongebob #293 5 years ago

    to spongebob
    one site (popcultureshock) gave it an A+
    is that good enough for you

    What are you talking about? It's not a number but it's a grade anyway. Who cares about those.

  • qwerty123 #294 5 years ago

    OXM gave it a 9, not a 10
    so not quite so biased

  • PS3lol #295 5 years ago

    "Worse, the whole tone and style screams "lowest common denominator"

    Yeah what were epic thinking releasing a game and not taking the snob gamers like you into account.

  • NthSimulachum #296 5 years ago

    The people het up about the number plonked at the end of the review clearly are too stupid to read. Or write. Or are too obsessed by attacks on the length of their schlong.

    Maybe scores should be abolished all together? On this site at any rate.

  • admir #297 5 years ago

    why dose this games deserve a 10/10 whats new about it? if you like FEAR, RE4 or kill switch you will like GoW

  • qwerty123 #298 5 years ago

    Spongebob, you obviously cant remember what you wrote.
    quote- I like how you guys think a good game boils down to numbers.
    i was just saying was an A+ good enougth for you, as one site gave it just that.
    you get it now?

  • Les #299 5 years ago

    "wow, since when was 8/10 considered shit?"

    Ever since the game got hyped beyond believe. But an 8 for an amazing looking (technically) nice game is not too bad. Might argue it's a bit high even. But as these days trying to emulate last gen GTA (and failing) on a next gen machine is good enough to at least warrant a 7, guess this score was to be expected.

    But with all this next gen bullshit, console war conspiracy and fanboy mud-slinging, review ratings are getting more and more subjective. They can't slam each and every so called next gen game for failing to deliver anything next gen besides the graphics, because if next gen game sales dry up, next gen console sales dry up and gaming media revenues dry up. So they have to (partly) go with the hype. But despite EG getting worse and worse, they still seem to be far more reliable than any US based source.

  • UncleLou #300 5 years ago

    9.1 on game trailers, good review, seems to hit all the major points

    Yup, watched that too, though probably a bit spoilerific (just the many different scenes you see).

    Accidentally taking cover when you want to make a roll sounds a tad annoying, though.

  • tumbleweed #301 5 years ago

    /boils kettle

    Anyone fancy some Horlicks?

  • BartonFink #302 5 years ago

    @NthSimulachum regarding dropping scores from reviews - that's been mentioned for years around here and it would not be a bad idea. Maybe then some of the more retarded trolls would just stay away. Read the flippin review (and from different sources) and make up your own mind.

  • BartonFink #303 5 years ago

    Oh and Les - sorry but lol

    Somebody take your job or something tumbleweed?
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 21:46

  • DCrider360 #304 5 years ago

    eurogamer!!!!!!

    your a bunch of SONY cock-suckers!!!!!

    go and wank-off over your ps3 deity!!!!

    bunch of TOSSERS!!!!!!!!


    GEARS OF WAR - GAME OF THE YEAR 2006

  • peterfll #305 5 years ago

    Fuck, there's nothing like being late to the party!

    A conversation I had with my 360 earlier

    Peterfll: "So, the Eg review for GoW is in............. and it's an 8"
    360: "Nooooooooooooooo!"
    Peterfll: "Yes, that fucking Krudster. He wanna take you outside and do his dirty business over your wireless controller"
    360: "NO! Not my ring of light!"
    Peterfll: "Uh-huh. He got a PS3 now"
    \360 runs into the corner
    360: "You'll never take me alive!"
    \360 ring of light flashes and then goes red

  • viperfoxbat #306 5 years ago

    Looks like this site wants to stir some shit up with an 8/10. Your credibility is at stake now.

  • BartonFink #307 5 years ago

    Oh ffs

    /shoots thread

  • JediMasterMalik #308 5 years ago

    @peterfll - Did you literally scare your 360 to death?

    ;)

  • CitizenGeek #309 5 years ago

    I think Eurogamer's reviews are the fairest of all and so I don't take issue with this score, you all need to remember that 8/10 is still a great score....

  • peterfll #310 5 years ago

    @JediMasterMalik

    It had it coming. It knew GoW wasn't going to score a 9 or 10. It heard the rumour that Viva Pinata was going a similar way. It knew that in the face of the unique weaponery offered by Resistance: Fall Of Man and countless others it was fighting a losing battle.

    It fell on its sword.

  • UncleLou #311 5 years ago

    Looks like this site wants to stir some shit up with an 8/10. Your credibility is at stake now.

    Look who's used to gaming sites using the 7-10 scale.

  • viperfoxbat #312 5 years ago

    Looks like Eurogamer is the odd man out. The only web site to score such a masterpiece so low.

  • chicknstu #313 5 years ago

    Cool, it's as good as Boiling Point!!!!

    Well, I liked Boiling Point, so I'll be picking this up for sure!

    Stu xxx

  • itamae #314 5 years ago

    Looks like Eurogamer is the odd man out. The only web site to score such a masterpiece so low.

    Talking about credibility: Have you already played the game extensively, both solo and in co-op?

  • Les #315 5 years ago

    "Somebody take your job or something tumbleweed?"

    No, next gen gaming just sucks, because it's nothing more than repackaged current gen. Not good enough for me. But then, almost nothing is...

  • silver-jon #316 5 years ago

    +1 Razzajazz and dudefella.
    It's so funny looking at comments of people - some of whom HAVE read the review instead of just the score - and yet still criticise Krudster/EG for scoring a review as they see it.
    Let's face it folks, Halo2 got an 8, and with good reason (too repetitive, lacking any major step forward in the single player story, loss of the sense of purpose by jumping out of Master Chief character all the time, gnnnn!). It was still good fun.
    Gears of War appears not to be perfect. It's short. It does nothing new. It is the exact product that many felt would be the annoying outcome of next-gen processor grunt: same shit, glossier graphics.
    I don't see where everyone gets their "EG are Sony fanboys" bollocks from. If the game deserves an 8 (and let's face it, EG are a damn sight more independent than those linked to the "official xbox merchandise" and they have played the game all the way through, so are a lot more likely to be able to judge it than you are, bucko!) then it deserves an 8. Buy the game and make your own judgement.

  • PS3lol #317 5 years ago

    you know what, this feels like an 8/10 right now, but when I finish it, I may adjust that score up or down depending how good the rest of the game turns out. Cheerio!"

    That's what Eurogamer basically done with the review. How you can defend that shit I don't know.

  • rebe #318 5 years ago

    Gears got 10/10 and 10/10 from Swedish multi platform magazine, and a 10/10 and 9/10 from a Finish magazine.

    This is the lowest gears score seen so far, and the reviews comment about the game play puzzles me. Gears plays differently compare to other shooter. It’s definitely not your average fps game play.

    Well, at least EG managed to score some points with the Sony fans. All that’s left for EG to seal the marriage is score Resistance higher, by praising its groundbreaking and innovative gameplay, and it’s substantial single player campaign (that happens to be just as short/long as gears) :D lol

  • BartonFink #319 5 years ago

    @Les be careful you are starting to sound like Blerk ;)
    You read the Resistance preview? Sounds great.

  • BartonFink #320 5 years ago

    @rebe - ever think Resistance might turn out to be a fantastic game? (controller aside that is)

  • Agent_Llama #321 5 years ago

    I don't understand the complaints about the review. Sounds perfectly fair. Seen it and done it before gameplay, but prettier. How on earth does that deserve 10? Answer? It doesn't. Get over it.

  • Stickman #322 5 years ago

    Oh my good God. I can't stop looking.

  • WrongShui #323 5 years ago

    They should stick a word after every review score for each game.

    8/10 bears
    1/10 horses
    4/10 chairs

    Although im fairly certain people would post comments about how many chairs to a bear there is.

  • Feanor #324 5 years ago

    "But as entertaining as each of the five acts of the campaign mode most definitely are, it's all over before you know it. Compared with other blockbuster shooters in recent years, it's roughly half the size and clocks in at between eight and ten hours"

    This is enough to convince me that the score was fair. The game CliffyB said help insipred Gears of War, RE 4, was at least twice the size and the quality remianed sky-high throughout, even if the Village was definitely the best of the five levels.

  • Avaloner #325 5 years ago

    8 out of 10 is not a bad score. Well above average. Almost a must have game. Still I do not think that this game in any ways compares to Half Life 2. Seeing gamespot give this 9.6 is obviously ridiculous. I read a lot of reviews and seen quite a few videos and for the life of me I cannot see what is so special about the game. It looks like fun but nothing outstanding. Also it is quite short apparently. An 8 sounds quite spot on but I did not play the game so I cannot really say.

    Bottom line: Just because it was hyped to death and has awesome graphics it does not mean that it deserves a 9 or 10.

  • guvner #326 5 years ago

    People aren't here neccessarily complaining at the score in itself, but the score in relation to the usual EG rating scale and in comparison to other previously rated games.

    It's OK to have a score range lower than other websites, as long as there is CONSISTENCY.

    However, check these out....

    The Ship 7/10. Glorified HL2 mod which is rife with bugs and looks horrible is almost on par with Gears of War?!

    Pacman 8/10. I mean, COME ON. The 360 version of Pac-man is AS GOOD AS Gears of War???

    Outpost Kaloki X 8/10. Another 360 games which stands shoulder to shoulder with Gears?!

    Mutant Storm Reloaded 8/10. And another?!? Honestly...

    Splinter Cell 4 9/10. Absolutely full of frustrating trial & error gameplay, and absolutely no way in hell it's better than Gears of War.

    Come on guys, you're taking the piss, right?

    p.s. I HAVE played Gears of War. An 8/10 is ok, but NOT if you're also giving games like Pac-man the SAME score.

  • Feanor #327 5 years ago

    "Let's face it folks, Halo2 got an 8, and with good reason (too repetitive, lacking any major step forward in the single player story, loss of the sense of purpose by jumping out of Master Chief character all the time, gnnnn!). It was still good fun."

    EuroGamer gave Halo 2 a 9.

  • JediMasterMalik #328 5 years ago

    Barton you know what's gonna happen when Resistance get's reviewed, personally, I see it as an 8/10 at the very least, which is gonna drive some people crazy. To some it's just too hard to beleive that a completely original(IP wise) PS3 launch game could actually be very good. Boggles the mind I know...

    And rebe, this isn't a FPS, it's alot like Kill.Switch only better. It's not a bad thing, but it's not as revolutionary as some would have you beleive. Killswitch was also quite tough if you didn't use cover, and I personally thought it was great, so GoW should be even better. It's down to preference if you want the game really, you're not seriously gonna use a siongle review as your basis for buying the game are you?

    I'll just stick this in, the 1up review was very strange, it seemed to have many complaints, but basically said that because the game was cool with loads of gore and very pretty guns that could all be forgiven. From that review, with all those flaws, it deserves no higher than a 9, a 10 makes it seem like those flaws are non-existent, my point is, ignore the scores, read the review. Like many others have said. I am actually very shocked at 1up's score, but not enough to complain about it because, having not played it, I don't necessarily disagree. Unlike many peopl here. :)

  • PS3lol #329 5 years ago

    When you pay for Gears, you're going to get Gears of War's single-player *and* multi-player portions on one disc. When anyone is reviewing this game, before they press the "publish" button, they outta really play through the entire game before putting that final score out there because, as unfortunate as it is, many people just look at the score.

    It is unfair to Epic and Microsoft for a magazine or website to review only part of a game, that's why the Eurogamer review is so wrong.

  • Stickman #330 5 years ago

    With hindsight, 8/10 for Pacman may not have been the great idea it seemed at the time.

  • BartonFink #331 5 years ago

    Well said as usual JMM.
    Yea I can see that happening with Resistance alright based on the preview. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the usual quarters.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 22:45

  • Heds #332 5 years ago

    It's all got a bit silly.

    I don't understand all this "PS3 bias" stuff. A couple of years ago, EG were off and on being criticised as MS's bitch, and I've absolutely no doubt in a months time when (well, maybe if, but I'm a hopeful Zelda accolyte) Z:TP gets a 10 there'll be a "ZOMG! EG are t3h N1nty wh0r3z!".

    Personally, I still trust EG and Edge (oh dear, I've just lost *any* streetcred I may have been able to blag, haven't I?) more than any US gamesite who seem to roll a D10 to get a figure for games when they really CBA to spend any real time reviewing it. If you think this is a disgraceful review and you've been wronged, why bother reading EG anymore? Go read GameSpot, IGN and 1Up. Enjoy. Spread the love. Do what makes you feel happy, life's too short to get annoyed over a flippin' game review. It's time you could be spending playing Okami... :)

    GoW gets an 8 based on SP. What happens if it goes to a 9 next week when that's included in the review? Do any of the shouters back down? Course not.

    Of course, you won't think "Yes, this is daft, I should chill!", cause I'm probably going to be the last post on this sprawling whore of a thread, and no sod's going to read my missive of luuuuuurvvveeee.

    Bugger. :(

  • guvner #333 5 years ago

    @Stickman

    Yeah, you're not kidding.

    For effect:

    Pac-man 8/10
    Gears of War 8/10

    ROFLOL

  • gerald #334 5 years ago

    Right from the 1UP-review:

    - Control issues
    - A.I. problems
    - Bad dialogue or storytelling, cliché-ridden
    - Linear levels
    - annoying squadmembers
    - Online lag
    - Few multiplayer-modes
    - matchmaking broken

    Plenty arguments to mark it down. He still awarded a full score because it looks and sounds great (which is ok, because he explaines the reasons why). But not everbody is so easily impressed...

  • Avaloner #335 5 years ago

    @guvner

    Well remember that the final score is extremely subjective and that is why you should read the text to make a decision if you should buy/rent/pass.

    Also scores are based on what the reviewer is expecting of the game. If you review a version of pac-man which is able to give that original experience at a cheap price then you can say you have a successful game and in that context award it an 8/10. If the game has been hyped to death and hailed as the start all end all of action games then it might happen that you feel betrayed by the game for not living up to its promise to thrill.

    Also the score at the end indicates the reviewer's objective rating and an 8 does not mean its better than all other games which got less than an 8 or inferior to all the other games which got a 9 or 10. If that was so a game getting a 10 would be impossible to beat since there is no 11.

  • Stickman #336 5 years ago

    Heds, you didn't lose street cred for admitting to liking Edge. You lost it for knowing what a d10 is.

  • captainrentboy #337 5 years ago

    From what I've seen and heard this game does only seem to deserve an 8 or 9 mark at most,I mean once we've all got over how darned sexy it looks all that remains is your run of the mill standard 3rd person shooter with a lot of big aliens running around.I'm sure I'll thoroughly enjoy it on and offline,but I'm not really expecting a bona fide classic,just some fantastic eyecandy with plenty of bloodshed and explosions.
    In my opinion there are very few games worthy of a 10 on their release out there,
    Zelda O.O.T
    Mario 64
    Goldeneye
    and Res Evil 4,being the only ones I can think of right now.
    Edit:And people comparing a full priced game's score to that of a cheap downloadable arcade game are pretty fucking stupid,I can't even be arsed to explain what is wrong with that logic.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/06 @ 22:37

  • JediMasterMalik #338 5 years ago

    Come on now, No one is saying that Pac-man is as good as Gears of War, and for good reason. Pac-man is not a proper 360 title. If it was released as a proper 360 title it would have gotten a 3, but it isn't, it's an arcade title, and always has been. No one can compare arcade scores to full on game scores, it's ridiculous.

  • gerald #339 5 years ago

    > Pac-man 8/10
    > Gears of War 8/10

    Please stop comparing live arcade releases to fullprise-games. EG scores in context of the plattform ...

  • PS3lol #340 5 years ago

    "He still awarded a full score because it looks and sounds great (which is ok, because he explaines the reasons why). But not everbody is so easily impressed...
    "
    He also said it was a lot of fun. That's why he rated it 10/10. It doesn't matter if a game is full of flaws, if the fun factor out weighs those flaws a game can be a 10/10.

    10/10 doesn't have to mean a game is perfect.

  • Heds #341 5 years ago

    @Stickman

    Fair point. Nurse says I'm better now though and can be seen in "real" society.

  • Veldaban #342 5 years ago

    "Pac-man 8/10
    Gears of War 8/10

    ROFLOL"

    Wow, cool, can I download Gears of War from Xbox Live for just a few pounds? They're the same kind of game, right?

  • Dial999 #343 5 years ago

    I always read the reviews with low scores first, as they give me a good flavour of what's bad about a game. 8/10 from Kirstan is the lowest by a long margin. I've been following this game for the past eighteen months and it just gets better and better. Love the "Mad World" trailer, Cliffy B does a good promo job on every interview with just the right touch, graphics and artwork are superb. Its the first game in ages I'm really excited about.......and I've played loads. Now all Microsoft need to do is add keyboard and mouse capability and we can throw away our PC's!!!

    But seriously, if games can look this good on a Ł250 console, why spend Ł2500 on a PC just to play Crysis on max settings? Gears of War is a good thing for the gaming community because it gives everyone on a tight budget access to top quality cinematic gameplay rather than just the high spenders. Man...I can't wait

  • The-Bodybuilder #344 5 years ago

    >"Not quite, genius - seeing as it's not out for another week that's a whole week of not reviewing the multiplayer, causing an extra week's delay in posting the review. Fancy a review of the MP section of the game tht was played exclusively against Americans with all the associated lag and WOOHOOing that entails? Maybe you do, I dunno."

    A whole week of not reviewing the multiplayer? You do realize how dumb that sounds. Why exactly wouldn't they use the week to review the multiplayer? Considering that's what they're doing anyways? I don't think you thought it through and you're just arguing for the sake of it now.

    And the second part is at faults too. So you're saying that EG would have somehow not ended up playing americans? Plus the fact that developers are already on the developer-Live network (playernet or whatever) AND the fact that not all americans are WOOHOOING (that's like saying all english people drink tea), AND the fact that as professional reviewers, the have the ability to discern obnoxious behaviour of online players from the actual game itself, then your argument definately falls flat.

  • bungalooBunny #345 5 years ago

    I'm very curous to see if this 'it brings nothing new so gets 1 point less' philosophy is going to hold up when the Wii/PS3 come out. I mean, God of War (excellent game) didn't bring anything new but still got a 9, curiously by the same reviewer.

    Great games should get top grades simply because they excel in execution. Even if they bring nothing new they're still entertaining. If not, might as well give FEAR an 7 then..

    This game is definitely 9/10.

    Go on ass-kissers, fire at will.

  • icelt #346 5 years ago

    @stickman

    props on the d10 wit

  • JediMasterMalik #347 5 years ago

    God of War brought the rather excellent button sensitive attack sequences actually, but otherwise, yes it wasn't that new.

  • spongebob #348 5 years ago

    So how long does it take to complete Half-Life 2?

  • monkey-ken-wizard #349 5 years ago

    Gears of War: 8
    Need For Speed Carbon: 7
    eh ?

    I've played both.
    Eurogamer's credibility: -1

  • guvner #350 5 years ago

    You can't possibly justify Pac-man getting the same score, regardless of different expectations or goals or price or whatever else.

    For the record, having played Gears from initial impressions it is an 8/10 game for me, HOWEVER, when looking at the comparable scores awarded for other games on this same website, it's simply ridiculous.

    A website can't give identical scores to Pac-Man 360 and Gears of War, and get out the other side with any credibility whatsoever.

  • Xerx3s #351 5 years ago

    Come on lads! Where are my 2K+ posts? ;)

  • Azazel #352 5 years ago

    Yes, the unspeakable hive-mind entity that is 'THE SITE' gives out the scores... lol

  • The-Bodybuilder #353 5 years ago

    >"both solo and in co-op?"

    Neither has EG apparently, when it comes to the co-op (I'm sure they have, but just don't want to reivew yet until it's tested on LIVE).

    >"Halo2 got an 8, and with good reason"

    It got a 9.

  • foglord #354 5 years ago

    fair score, i guess.

    i would give a 7 based on the version i played in the USA a few weeks ago.

    once you get past the graphical "WOW", it has a quite boring, almost "copy-paste" gameplay which requires constant (and) annoying covering and dumb enemies that run at your chainsaw in "kamikaze" fashion.

  • jamesbee #355 5 years ago

    I like Eurogamer and I predicted they would have issues with it. 8/10 is exactly what I imagined it would get from them.

    I have my copy on ore-order as does my best friend back in the UK. We have the 17th planned to play co-op from start to finish and we couldn't be more excited.

  • PS3lol #356 5 years ago

    All you morons saying this game is a 7/10 please stop you're not fooling anyone with your made up impressions.

  • Xerx3s #357 5 years ago

    Barton you know what's gonna happen when Resistance gets reviewed, personally, I see it as an 8/10 at the very least, which is gonna drive some people crazy. To some it's just too hard to believe that a completely original(IP wise) PS3 launch game could actually be very good. Boggles the mind I know...


    Then again, it may just be shite. Nobody played it so any debate about how good or bad it is is futile. Personally, I reckon that it will get a 8. Imo, this game looks like it was made for multiplayer and it is by far the most interesting aspect of the game (imo). Unfortunately, EG doesn't seem to do online. :\


    And rebe, this isn't a FPS, it's alot like Kill.Switch only better. It's not a bad thing, but it's not as revolutionary as some would have you believe. Kill switch was also quite tough if you didn't use cover, and I personally thought it was great, so GoW should be even better. It's down to preference if you want the game really, you're not seriously gonna use a single review as your basis for buying the game are you?

    The duck and cover system seems to be one of the features in new FPS games indeed. RB6 is another brilliant implementation. More games should implement it imo. It beats silly crouching behind a small box. ;)

  • The-Bodybuilder #358 5 years ago

    I honestly think my post will be the last of this thread.
    I really cannot see people posting anymore. ;-)

    But I do have to say that releasing the review too early puts EG in a difficult position.
    On one hand, they haven't reviewed the multiplayer and LIVE, which can (apparently) add to the score.
    Problem is if they do add to the score, they will be seen as inconsistent and yeilding to the fanboys.
    On the other, you can't look over the fact that they've just reviewed an incomplete game (or atleast finalised a score on an incomplete review).

    However those that say the game deserved a 10 are nuts. IMO. 9s should be reserved for games that are executed very well, but 10s should be destined for games that redefine a genre (NOT HL2, or oblivion, or FFXII).

  • PS3lol #359 5 years ago

    When us Euro gamers get this game, this review is going to come back to bite Eurogamer on the ass. Why? because people who have the game are calling it the best damn game of the year, best 360 game by a mile. Real gamers who picked it up today in North America. Don't any of you think it's odd that Eurogamer reviews are always the lowest scoring on gamerankings?. Here they are again with a 8/10 right at the bottom of a pile of reviews with a average ranking of 94%.

    Doesn't that tell you anything?

  • SeesThroughAll #360 5 years ago

    God of War brought the rather excellent button sensitive attack sequences actually

    You mean, those "Quick Time Event"-like sequences applied to combat? Not new either.

  • mkreku #361 5 years ago

    Good review. I watched the gameplay videos on Gamespot and it sure did look a bit repetitive after a while. I'm not big on multiplayer, I loved Black but would still have scored it 8/10, so this sounds like a fair and level-headed review.

    Nothing in the other reviews I've read (1Up's was a joke, it's not even worthy of the title "review";) suggest that this is worth 9+/10. 9+, to me, is the near perfect game. This game might be perfect at what it does, but it's still 8-10 hours long (just like Black) and it's still just a fairly simple shooter.

    But I haven't played it yet, I might be wrong.

  • manic_mouse #362 5 years ago

    Kameo the second?

  • bungalooBunny #363 5 years ago

    God of War deserved a 9 because it was an excellent game. And so is this game.

  • bungalooBunny #364 5 years ago

    God of War deserved a 9 because it was an excellent game. And so is this game.

  • PS3lol #365 5 years ago

    This half finished review is going to be taken down from gamerankings until it's finished. Other games reviewers at Neogaf are disgusted at Eurogamers treatment of this game and have contacted Gamerankings to have it removed.

    Eurogamer should be struck off there list for all time as they're no longer credible.

  • Arganoid #366 5 years ago

    I suspect that many of the people complaining about the score are young and have perhaps not previously gone through the process of seeing a game hyped up to insane levels and then playing it and discovering that it's merely quite a good game. Just because the previews and trailers suggest that playing a particular game is like having a thousand orgasms at once, doesn't mean it's true. It could still be a good game, but people really want the game to be the Earth-shattering event that the hype makes out. They want it to be true so much that it becomes true in their own mind, even if they haven't played the game yet. It's not entirely dissimilar to religion.

  • Royal Fool #367 5 years ago

    What a hilarious comment thread.

    I think it's a fine review. The score doesn't matter all that much - THE ACTUAL TEXT is far more important when deciding on whether to purchase a game or not. Christ, people can be so thick.

    My only slight niggle is now FFXII got a straight 10, despite not innovating all that much either, but I suppose it's a pretty huge and very good Final Fantasy game (I won't be able to try it until February, so I have no idea).

    Honestly though, scores aside, this sounds like a good review. Eurogamer are quite reliable when it comes to game criticism, just don't ever use the scores as some sort of final dealbreaker and you'll be fine.

  • foamy #368 5 years ago

    you will all be raped by rats.

  • steveuk007 #369 5 years ago

    Eurogamer are a joke. Play the game properly. 8/10 without even playing the multiplayer?? The MP is an essential part of the 'package'

    You gave the new version of Senisble Soccer 9/10... Says it all.

  • Katsumoto #370 5 years ago

    see the GW: Nightfall comments thread for a discussion on why it is not our place to call reviewers dickheads for not coming up with the exact figure out of ten that we ourselves would for a certain game. NB/ it is fine to say, in a reasoned and adult way, what -you- think it should be given, out of ten, while respecting the clearly subjective viewpoint of the reviewer

  • bungalooBunny #371 5 years ago

    if the ACTUAL TEXT doesn't match THE SCORE than there's something wrong with THE REVIEW.

    FFXII got the score it deserved - The problem is that they don't use the same 'it brings nothing new' criteria on PS2 games... Let's see about PS3, but it sure to be the same.

    EG just loses credibility with this lame biased scores... Gamespot is THE new site and much more consistent than the fanboys here.

  • Katsumoto #372 5 years ago

    why do people get so hung up about scores anyway? there are only ten possible outcomes; it's not an exact science. Also, I should point out, as many on this thread already have, that 7 generally = good. 8 = very good.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 00:01

  • bungalooBunny #373 5 years ago

    "while respecting the clearly subjective viewpoint of the reviewer"

    You're WRONG. The reviewer clearly states that the reason it doesn't get a higher score is because he couldn't take on the MP side of the game and because its content is not novelty - a clear contradiction to what is displayed on a lot of other reviews. Not subjective at all.

  • bungalooBunny #374 5 years ago

    "why do people get so hung up about scores anyway?"

    It has to do with consistence and fairness. Otherwise don't use a score system at all.

  • Red-Moose #375 5 years ago

    Eurogamer has gone like Slashdot. I never read the article anymore, just read the summary and then start the bitching. 8/10 for me indicates a must buy though. I am glad it's a "good one" as summer on 360 was pretty diabolical.

  • Katsumoto #376 5 years ago

    subjective ="of or based on a person's emotions or prejudices" objective = "not distorted by personal feelings or bias" - from a Collins Dictionary I have lying around. What I meant to say was that this is a reviewer's personal opinion, it is formed from innummerable factors relevant to his life and his experiences. It is not wrong because it diverges from our own opinions, which are also unique and personal. Maybe he is biased, but check out EG's scoring policy and it will openly admit that each review is subjective and entirely the product of the reviewer.

    Any gaming site that claims it can objectively review is either in a fantasy or lying.

  • Katsumoto #377 5 years ago

    Bungaloo: I think you do have a point in that I think perhaps the time has come to scrap review scores on a site such as this :) Maybe it is out of line with a consciously subjective review system. Worth considering!
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 00:08

  • Azazel #378 5 years ago

    I suspect that many of the people complaining about the score are young and have perhaps not previously gone through the process of seeing a game hyped up to insane levels and then playing it and discovering that it's merely quite a good game.

    Or discovering it's a f***ing waste of money like Unreal 2... Yeah, you learn to be wary after getting burned a few times.

    @katsumoto: I think we've gone well past the point were pleas for sanity could make a difference... :) This thread has become a flying spaghetti monster.

  • ChromeMud #379 5 years ago

    Let's face it,reviews are subject to opinion and bias no matter what.
    Some people just detest fps where as others it's their bread 'n' butter.
    I can't help but feel that if I was playing it on a big widescreen,blasting
    out the audio,with my house sounding like a warzone with chainsaws
    tearing up alien flesh in Co-Op with a mate,that I would give this game a 10
    on multiplayer alone.

    I read the review and was suprised to hear the game was so polished
    and delivered the kind of gameplay that I'm gagging for.

    Then I saw the 8 at the end and thought....oh.....may as well call it a 5
    for being too hyped or summat!

  • bungalooBunny #380 5 years ago

    Come on Katsumoto, you don't really buy that BS??

    If they put a guy that hates Super Mario reviewing the next Wii Mario game, and he gives it a 3/10 cos he hates the game, the character, etc. that's okay cos it's subjective?

    Any reviewer has to have the ability to be objective in the sense that if he's reviewing a ACTION game he needs to understand what people that would buy it are looking for, what other games are out there competing with it, etc.

    You can't just go the coward way and say "it's just an opinion". You're critising other's people work and what millions of others will buy so you must take that into account.

    If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

    Also, the subjectivness seems to be intimately linked to the bias towards their favourite platforms, which is rather lame. They never used the 'it's been seen before' argument with FFXII or God of War, just to mention a few. It's lame to switch to on and off whenever it's convinient.

    But I guess you guys are easy to please and will swallow anything that's thrown at you... I like consistency and fairness throughout all games, independent of platform.

  • NthSimulachum #381 5 years ago

    Assigning a score to a work of artifice ain't like marking a maths paper. A lot of the experience is subjective, which entails a certain lack of consistency. Unless you want every game on the site marked by one guy. Imagine:

    "OMFG, MC Eschers Ascending and Descending only got an 8/10! It's a rent for me!"

    "Lolzorz, The Austrian Music Journal is Mozart biased, I bet he pays them off good for that 7/10 of Bach's Tocatta In Fugue"...

    Sounds ever so slightly silly when applied to other art forms, doesn't it?

  • bungalooBunny #382 5 years ago

    "A reviewer can give a game 9/10, another 7/10 and both be right."

    I agree totally with you, but are you even reading what's being written here?
    The point is not the score but HOW is justifies it. The same argument could be used in a lot of other games that got 9/10 and 10/10. It's inconsistent. Is it that hard to understand?

  • Genji #383 5 years ago

    "If they put a guy that hates Super Mario reviewing the next Wii Mario game, and he gives it a 3/10 cos he hates the game, the character, etc. that's okay cos it's subjective?"

    Well yeah, I would expect him to give it 3/10 if he hates the game.

    I mean, really.

    I think reviewers, when reviewing an action game, should be magically able to discern the opinions of all fans of action games, and then adjust the score accordingly.

    "Well, I bloody hate this game, but lots of other people will like it. 9/10."

  • guvner #384 5 years ago

    Yes, scoring is subjective but the point is that the ratings for various other games are all over the place, and when they're compared to Gears of War they totally destroy any credibility this website has.

    Sensi Soccer 9/10 - I've played that, unfortunately. It's atrocious.

    Pac-Man 8/10 - Perhaps if you're reviewing the game in the 14th century or whenever the hell it was created, but today, it's 2/10 WITH rose-tinted glasses donned.

    The Ship 7/10 - I'm all for giving small devs a helping hand, but come on, this is a mod that would have received no attention had it not retailed on Steam. Even if it were free I wouldn't have kept it installed.

    Etc the list goes on.

    These aren't scores that are the odd point here and there you can disagree with, but blatantly so wide of the mark that when Gears of War gets an 8/10 aswell it makes the similar scores all the more ridiculous.

    By no means do I think Gears of War is the greatest game ever, but scoring Gears of War on a par with Pac-Man and not as good as Sensi Soccer? Come on, gimme a break.

  • bungalooBunny #385 5 years ago

    My point was that the reviewer has to like the genre and to be in synch with what most other gamers that like that type of game would buy/want to play.

    You can't hand the review to someone that doesn't like the type and go 'it's subjective, so it's okay'. It would also be irresponsible and pointless. You can't give a great game 3/10 and blame on subjectiness. I mean you can, but it's of great incompetence.

  • Genji #386 5 years ago

    "By no means do I think Gears of War is the greatest game ever, but scoring Gears of War on a par with Pac-Man and not as good as Sensi Soccer?"

    Wow... Gears of War is a soccer game?

    Shit, this must be the most innovative soccer game ever made. What with the guns and all.

    /preorders

  • bungalooBunny #387 5 years ago

    "Wow... Gears of War is a soccer game?"

    Ha! Now I see where you're coming from. All you other comments are now quite clear.

  • Genji #388 5 years ago

    @Bunny

    Well, your comments are more interesting, I think. Even though I disagree.

    This other guy, though. It's completely stupid to compare review scores across genres. It would be like saying "No WAY is Citizen Kane better than Rambo! Citizen Kane is the worst bloody action movie I've ever seen!"

  • guvner #389 5 years ago

    "This other guy, though. It's completely stupid to compare review scores across genres. It would be like saying "No WAY is Citizen Kane better than Rambo! Citizen Kane is the worst bloody action movie I've ever seen!""

    Stupid analogy. That's not what I'm saying at all. Perhaps if you stopped trying to be clever and cool with the sarcastic comments and instead put your brain in gear you might understand.

  • bungalooBunny #390 5 years ago

    I'm just glad one of my favourite recent games Okami has been released on PS2, otherwise god knows what EG might do to it if it came out on the 360 instead, Kristan in particular...

  • UncleLou #391 5 years ago

    Consistency is a myth. Impossible across platforms, genres and different reviewers, independently from the site. That's why scores have to be seen as part of the review as a whole, and in context of that review, and not in comparison to entirely different games, or regarded isolated.

    Massive Snowboarding for moblie phones and GRAW for the 360 both scored 9.2 on Gamespot. Draw your own conclusions.

    People behave as if they've been personally insulted. Kindergarden.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 01:04

  • Genji #392 5 years ago

    "Stupid analogy. That's not what I'm saying at all. Perhaps if you stopped trying to be clever and cool with the sarcastic comments and instead put your brain in gear you might understand."

    I'm not trying at all. Being clever and cool just comes naturally to me.

    You, as far as I can see, seem to be pissed off that EG gave 9/10 to a soccer game that you hated, and gave GoW - a non-soccer game - a mark one point lower. Am I on the mark here? This site has no credibility because they like some games that you don't. It doesn't matter if different reviewers on EG have different opinions about different games in different genres - they should all be standardised into the one opinion of all.

    Do I still not understand? Please, elaborate so that I may. I would love to see exactly how this system of comparing soccer games to action games to Pacman games works.

    And yes, what UncleLou said.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 01:22

  • NthSimulachum #393 5 years ago

    By morning blood will have been spilt over this, no doubt...

  • milesahead #394 5 years ago

    Should i get GOW or king Kong I only have money for one game, after reading both reviews it looks like GOW might be the better option. I don't play online, so the multiplayer being left out of the reviews doesn't matter for me.
    But after seeing the scores, i'm not sure anymore...

    Is this what a casual gamer should think, or is there a real problem with the scoring system ?

    "The first time you run up against a blind Berserker (who can only be killed outside using the lasers of orbiting satellites - which you can call down using a pointer called the Hammer of Dawn), you'll understand the drastic departure Gears of War has taken - a swerve which fulfills the promise of next-gen like no other title yet. When you try to guide hero Marcus Fenix over a rotted-out wooden floor without dropping him into a nest of bloodthirsty Locusts, you'll know the definition of innovation."

    Peace



  • guvner #395 5 years ago

    "Am I on the mark here?"

    No, I'm not making a point about genres whatsoever. I'm a football fan myself and played the old versions of Sensi, but the recent version is in no way whatsoever deserving of 9/10. Likewise, the other games I mentioned which you've conveniently forgotten to prove your point; Pac-Man, The Ship, etc. Ridiculously overrated. All but the most hardcore of fans can see that.

    "Do I still not understand? Please, elaborate so that I may."

    To use your movie analogy: Battlefield Earth gets 8/10, when anyone who's seen it knows it's very poor. Then a genuinely good movie comes along, and also gets 8/10. How much credibility from scoring both identically? None.

    Capiche?

  • smelly #396 5 years ago

    Here we go again with kids moaning about scores, when at the end of the day its the WORDS which matter.. Read the words, decide to buy.. or not buy. Score is meaningless at end of day.

  • Psychotext #397 5 years ago

    400th!
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 03:03

  • widow88 #398 5 years ago

    I don't understand this brings nothing new to the genre. I've played alot of fps games and the presentation that the game delivers is a step up in the genre. Only been playing a short time but what I've seen is very impressive. So far definitely not in the 8 category.

  • bladeaku #399 5 years ago

    I Think you people put to much faith into a review from a games site,play it for yourself and decide thats the correct way to do it these days.
    Reviews for games are slowly becoming a thing of the past.

  • FooAtari #400 5 years ago

    All this over a little number at the end? Unbelievable.

    I think, and have for a long time, that there should be no "scores" in reviews. A well written review will speak for itself and avoid all this BS.

    Besides, people are acting like EG marked this a 1 or something. Remember 5 is average, anything above it should be considered a good game (although most people, readers and reviwers, tend to forget this), so you have say;

    5 - Average (fun for people who like the genre maybe)
    6 - Above average
    7 - Good
    8 - Great
    9 - Fantastic
    10 - Outstanding

    Depending on the reviewer 8 or 9 are both fair (judging from what I have read)

    I have pre-ordered GoW and can't wait to get my hands on it, but I think that it's pretty obvious that GoW is no Mario 64, Half-life or Soul Calibur.

    But it is (according to reviews) a very well polished and high enjoyable action game. It was never going to get a 10, and arguing between an 8 or 9 is neither here or there, two reviewers will always see the same game differently, some will like it more than others.

    When you have different people reviewing games across different genres there is no way you will ever get consistancy. Look at the game and review on it's on, 8 is a great score and the review justifies the score given. It is arguably a must play title for most 360 owners. When the review is well written and the review justifies the score he gives it I cant see any complaints.

    But yeah, drop the scores. Then again I wouldnt get such entertaining reading while at work, perhaps you should keep them.

    I always find it funny how in comments thread if you have people shouting the odds that (insert site name here) is biased towards, Sony, and next thread they are biased towards MS or Ninty.... stupid.


    @bladeaku "Reviews for games are slowly becoming a thing of the past."

    I dont agree. With games costing Ł37 - Ł50 I'm not just going to buy a game to try it out. I need someway to judge the quality and if I will like it. I rarely buy a game based on one review, but if I read two or three I get a pretty good idea if the game is for me or not, and my impressions based on this are usually correct.

    I normally read Gamespot and EG, and if I'm still not sure turn to Gameranks to find reviews elsewhere.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 03:34

  • Inflatable #401 5 years ago

    Here's what Mark Rein of Epic had to say about the EG review: http://fo rums.epicgames.com/showthread.p...

  • gaselite #402 5 years ago

    All this furore over a good game receiving a good review from Eurogamer, it beggars belief :/

  • ruckus #403 5 years ago

    Lol @ the epic games forum - you give a game an 8 and it transcends into a 'your either with us or against us' travesty.
    Since when did an 8 become a 'it's shit then' category?

  • Royal Fool #404 5 years ago

    ruckus, because the majority of the "GAMERRRR" population have no idea that 5 is generally considered the middle point between 0 and 10. For some obscure reason, they were taught in basic math that 8 is the middle, and that the numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 don't actually exist.

    Oh, and they're idiots, that too.

  • FooAtari #405 5 years ago

    And that is why I never use any kind of official forums. What a bunch of twats.

    "f*cking some sony fanboys there" [europe] !! WTF??

    And another quality quote

    "Damn IGN... I like how all the "reputable" sites gave it a 10/10. Everyone else is just looking for a reason not to give a game a 10! 1Up's review is dead on though. I think they have have the most clout amonst the gamer community. Plus the most respect from developers."

    Yeah, damn IGN and there 9.4 score. Maybe he couldn't see the 9? All the reputable sites? Let's see...

    1UP/EGM 10/10

    XPlay 5/5 (TV)

    PlayOnline 10/10

    GamesRadar 10/10

    GameReactor.SE 10/10 - Swedish

    Playboy 4 bunnies out of 4 bunnies (print)

    Yup, some trust worthy sites there, personally I put the most trust in Playboy for my gaming needs.

    As for the 1up having the most clout....

    If you want to find a large collection of idiots in one place, visit any official forum.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 06:31

  • mattigan #406 5 years ago

    Just read the link to the GoW Forums, LOL, it has basically reinforced my opinion of American gamers in general, especially the Fucking Sony Fanboys comment.

    P.S.

    For the American gamers out there who didn't understand the words above, it means that I think that you are a bunch of immature gung ho arrogant wankers.

    P.P.S

    Wanker = Jerk off, or there abouts




  • gerald #407 5 years ago

    /sitting in speechless awe infront of the screen wondering about the brainless passion a game and a number under a review can create...

    Edit: It even cripples my typing!
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 07:14

  • siro #408 5 years ago

    Isn't the way 'realistic' ducking is introduced to the game as described in the review new to the genre? Next-gen 4 teh win. I don't give craps tho until I played out my huge pile of last-gen games.

  • SlackMaster #409 5 years ago

    TBH from the video walkthroughs and everything I have seen so far I've already made up my mind about the game. It looks very good and I have already pre-ordered it.

    You can always bet the Eurogamer will try and be different from other sites by making lower, plus their reviewers tend to mark things very differently.

    I think Halo was a 9/10 for sure, and although SOTC was a great game it was not a 10/10. I usually check a few sites scores to get a better idea rather than one and I'd trust my own judgement of a game over a reviewer's anyday.

  • gerald #410 5 years ago

    > Seems the only defense strategy of the review supporters is to try and
    > discredit dissnting voices by saying they "only care about the score" and
    > invoke the moral high ground championed by Edge.

    Well, I simply don't understand whats the point to fight over a good score under a favorable review. It's not a peacetreaty that has been broken, or is it? It's one opinion among many. What's the big deal?

    > The fact is, score aside, it's a pretty poor review that focuses on pre-release
    > hype rather than the game itself. For at least half a page!

    Guess what, the hype is a big part of this game. It's an important 360-release. Why not write about that in a review? There is more than enough room in the text for gamplay, visuals and stuff.

    But yeah, i'm a bloody EG-Fanboy, totaly biased against all other magazines. So don't listen to me.

    Besides, I asume you played Gears Of War a lot, given your strong opinion about it. How is it? Lets talk about the game, not the review.

  • UncleLou #411 5 years ago

    The fact is, score aside, it's a pretty poor review that focuses on pre-release hype rather than the game itself. For at least half a page!

    With the rest of the review being longer than 1Up's altogether...


    And the Epic forum, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Embarassing.

  • Rambaldi #412 5 years ago



    What the hell? A game get's an 8 (only half the game reviewed I might add - poor show EG) and all of a sudden "EG are shit reviewers", "GOW is pants", "I'm going to cancel my pre-order", "wah, wah, wah".

    ANYONE who has posted any such comment: go sit in the corner and reflect on how much control you have allowed the hype machines to have over yourself!

    The game looks great fun. Always did, always will. 8, 9, 10, whatever. They're all great scores. 80% will pretty much get you an A* at GCSE y'know! Bring it on!

    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 08:01

  • Pike #413 5 years ago

    lol

  • Blerk #414 5 years ago

    Heh. Is there an 'edited highlights' version of this thread? :-)

  • Gouki #415 5 years ago

    You guys are missing the point!

    Eurogamer gets lots of attention on their website if they score a game lower than anyone else. People on forums from around the world go ahhh gamespot gave it 9.6, 1up gave it 10 but LOOOOK eurogamer gave it 8. Oooo lets head over to erougamer for a look.

    Theyve done it with loads of games. I like the site! I think its layout its excellent and its not a direct snipe.

    Eurogamer 7 out of 10 good website but room for improvement.

  • Yeevle #416 5 years ago

    Holy crap, lots of comments...

  • Scientist #417 5 years ago

    i havent plaied this game yet but im gonna give it a ten becos i rekcon it looks amazin krudster your takin the piss you must be givin money by sony or somehting cos everywon in the us reckons this game kicks ass i am gonna boycot eurogaymer lol from now on

    /marvels at the stupidity of people who actually writes posts like this :-)

  • BartonFink #418 5 years ago

    Ye know the usual Blerko

    EG posts review of hyped game gives it 8.

    fantards in pretty much equal numbers from the Xbox and Playstation camps have at each other posting nonsensical bullshine.
    yellowtroll trolls a little more.

    A few people try to explain the error of their ways but they keep coming back with the same fanboy nonsense.

    Ye know, usual day at the office stuff.

  • the_dudefather #419 5 years ago

    it would be funny if resistance got an 8 too, so an eternal 'which 8 is better' battle willl begin

  • AOFanboi #420 5 years ago

    All you drooling IGN-zombies who complain that EG gave a lower score than your masters, why don't you write a user review? Oh, that's right: Unlike the reviewers you cannot actually play the game yet, so you base your inflated score on STINKING HYPE! STOP IT!

  • Xerx3s #421 5 years ago

    Just because the previews and trailers suggest that playing a particular game is like having a thousand orgasms at once

    /preorderds

  • SeesThroughAll #422 5 years ago

    Since when is an 8 a bad score?

    Get a life.

  • neuroniky #423 5 years ago

    I've preordered this after reading the IGN review, and after reading this review I would have preordered this again.
    The game reads like it is a very "standard", but very intense, shoot'em'up with very interesting and partially innovative usage of cover. What the IGN review seem to underline better than this review is that the focus on cover creates an style of play, turning the game in a "light-tactical-shooter", where things move fast and you've to move from cover to cover adapting fast to the developing situation. What it's still to be confirmed is how much the enemy AI is able to accomplish against you, but from what I've read, if you exclude the lowest level of difficulty, the enemies are smart enough to make flanking attempts, and so the situation is seldom "static" (like it was in, say, a game like "Full Spectrum Warrior";).

    So, in the end, it's a short game (well, short for you guys that have the time to play the same game for hours after hours... not for me that I'm not able to play for more than half an hour per day anymore), with a fantastic presentation and an intense, if not groundbreaking, gameplay.

    And that's exactly what I wanted for my 360 right now. Ok, call me a graphic whore, but I'm very happy to read this is a graphic parade. Look at COD2 and tell me it's not the same thing: a very "old" concept made great by the interesting situation designed by the developer and by the incredible presentation (I've got this on my PC, but I think the same applies to the 360 version). Next gen is this too: making you feel so "in" the action thanks to great presentation, to the number of enemies you're confronted with, to the situation that surrounds you instead of making you feel like you're in a ghost town. Talha says this very well about driving sims: it's time to provide with people around the track, with a living world to surround the player and make the experience really alive.

    So, I'm happy I will be playing this soon. But then, I think the problem with GoW is not the game, but the hype that surrounded and still surrounds it. But that's another story entirely...

  • Baz_Dude #424 5 years ago

    What a shit review, i smell fanboyism

  • Xerx3s #425 5 years ago

    I stopped caring about scores. I only read reviews nowadays and see what the average is on metacritic and such.

    Scores serve only one purpose and it is clearly demonstrated in this thread.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 09:06

  • Scientist #426 5 years ago

    "What a shit review, i smell fanboyism"

    That stench of fanboyism emanates from the comments thread and overwhelms the review.
    Enlightened comments FTW!

  • Rambaldi #427 5 years ago

    Anyway, at a tangent, can I just say that pre-ordering is a bit gay. Really, how often do games SELL OUT EVERYWHERE! Where's the fun in the hunt if you pre-order? How about you find some local yokel shop that does you the game for Ł40 and a day early?

    That's the real next-gen!

    Pre-ordering my arse...

    Come to think of it I never even pre-ordered my 360 and still got a core at retail price on launch weekend. MUCHOS SATISFACTO!
    Edited by 2 at 08/11/06 @ 08:59

  • dadrester #428 5 years ago

    The duck and cover ethos sounds quite akin to wqhat so many people hated about killzone. I think Guerilla got it right with the PSP version. Maybe it helps that you can see around your character a bit more.

    Well, sounds like a good shooter. I guess I'll be picking it up at some point when I eventually get a 360... Alas' it's no system seller for me.

  • jonnyreb #429 5 years ago

    I was actually thinking about getting this, but all the chest slapping and hair pulling in the thread has kinda put me off.

    Makes me a bit embarassed to be a gamer actually........especially when the forum descends to a horrible 'American Gamespot' type atmosphere like this.

    If only some of these people got as passionate about other stuff in life as much as they do about games, just think how much in the world would get fixed :)

    /Old fart mode off
    /Goes back to playing COD2.

  • Blerk #430 5 years ago

    Interestingly enough, the highest accolades were given for the game being OTT, gory, violent and macho.

    Shot in the dark here, but were most of those reviews from American publications? :-)

  • Yossarian #431 5 years ago

    entertaining thread, would troll in again

  • guvner #432 5 years ago

    "Here we go again with kids moaning about scores, when at the end of the day its the WORDS which matter.. Read the words, decide to buy.. or not buy. Score is meaningless at end of day."

    Of course scores matter. It's ridiculous to say scores are "meaningless". It's the first thing that many people see. Recently I bought a DS and went to a few sites with lots of DS reviews to gauge which games I should buy. I only bothered looking at those games with very high scores to save spending an entire day reading through every single review. The scores tell me AT A GLANCE the general quality of the game. Since there are so many games available these days I'm sure I'm not the only one who does that.

  • Xerx3s #433 5 years ago

    Back to your cave!

  • jimbob101 #434 5 years ago

    Again promotional shots that don't show how the game is played. Boo.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #435 5 years ago

    Great review. It includes excactly what I wanted to know about the game.

    About the game: What I expected. I looks incredible but no article, no trailer, no screenshot ever really showed what was so special about Gears of War, except the graphics of course. Don't get me wrong, 8 is a great score, but the review clearly points out the facts i was 'worried' about. In the end it is a very beautiful but not really a must-have. So between this and that I will get Rainbow Six: Vegas first and wait for a Gears of War demo to come out.

  • dadrester #436 5 years ago

    thread tards in "haven't read the review" shocker!

  • jonnyreb #437 5 years ago

    Didn't they say that there would never be a demo for GOW a while ago??

    From what I hear Rainbow Six LV is the way to go for online fun, and GOW is better on the single player??

    My friend at GAME has been playing GOW online today and says that it seems the code is not well optimised...lots of lag, dropouts etc.

    I won't believe it until I try it myself though.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #438 5 years ago

    Regarding the whole score discussion. A score does matter. As said by guvner, you know what to expect. You simply don't want to read a review about a game that you are not interested in and even the genre is not of your type. You will however read a review of a game scored 7/10 if you like the genre, because 7 is a good game, and you definetly will read a review with a score of 10/10; Because these games are most of the time enjoyable for everyone, even for people who usually don't play the genre.

  • zErOb_cOOl #439 5 years ago

    Just watched the IGN vids of this. I personally find FPS games very boring; you've played one, you've played them all. The graphics look good in this game (only as good as Dead Rising or Prey though, maybe a little better) but I was seriously expecting more from the graphics after all the "in-game videos" I've seen. They remind me of Resident Evil 4's graphics with a bit more gloss, and a higher resolution of course.

    HL2+Counterstrike is the pinnacle FPS for me, due to it's superb graphics, playability, and setup flexibility, and I simply can't see Gears of War making much difference in the FPS genre for me. The wall-hugging is pretty cool though \o/

  • neuroniky #440 5 years ago

    Prey graphics as good as this? Prey graphics are just "meh" all over, and Dead Rising while a great game has not that great graphics at all (and I bought a 360 just to play Dead Rising, still the killer app for me). But everybody agrees GoW has over the top graphics that really shows what a 360 can do. Probably you should stop looking at low res movies on the net and start seeing things for yourself on a TV...

    /me still squints while trying to see those f***ing prey enemies on my tv set...

  • Kiigan #441 5 years ago

    Nice, balanced review really. Confirms clearly a lot of the pros and cons I've been anticipating with GoW, without completely pissing on our chips. I'm still really looking forward to it after reading that review. GoW is now a real thing and not some glorious impossible promise, and I'm fine with that.

    The (somewhat valid, IMO) criticism about the lack of consistency with EG scoring would be better directed to other more problematic reviews I reckon.

  • Yeevle #442 5 years ago

    Doubt I'd ever use the wall hugging bit.

    Oh well, back to Half Life.

  • Aurifex. #443 5 years ago

    Seems to me that EG had to add something to the site regarding a review. For some reason it seems they don't have the full disc to review. So when they get it no boubt it will have a higher score, or maybe it won't. Maybe they are just being honest and not affraid to say so. 8 out of 10 still is a good score.

  • w00t #444 5 years ago

    Cheers for the good review!

    Still doesn't sound like my cup of tea, though.

  • Aurifex. #445 5 years ago

    After reading the review a few times it still gives the impression that the game is excellent. It has made me more than ever to know more and about it. Shame they can't give their views on the multi player part. Still after reading and seeing it play i think its a must have.

  • Dexter #446 5 years ago

    When's it coming out for the PS3?

  • rattled_lobster #447 5 years ago

    ban this sick filth

    I thank you

  • Dial999 #448 5 years ago

    I'm still here.....roflol

  • samk #449 5 years ago

    Kiigan: "The (somewhat valid, IMO) criticism about the lack of consistency with EG scoring would be better directed to other more problematic reviews I reckon."

    Yeah, totally agree with that. This is the hot thread though of course, so people are posting here, and the natives are manning the barricades. :)

    Seems like people aren't having a problem with this review specifically, but in the context of other reviews on this same website. It's FINE to have a ratings system that's a bit harsher than other websites but it's the lack of consistency that people are having a pop at. With good reason too, it has to be said. As one guy said it DOES look pretty absurd to come to a review website and see Gears of War ranked as highly as Pacman.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 10:01

  • Dial999 #450 5 years ago

    Ooohhhhh..yeessssssss. He makes the 500 slot!!!!



    Yuh, sorry wrong thread........meh
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 10:02

  • kangarootoo #451 5 years ago

    "The (somewhat valid, IMO) criticism about the lack of consistency with EG scoring would be better directed to other more problematic reviews I reckon."

    Alternatively, we could load all of the wholly pointless comments about review scores into a cannon and fire them into a f'cking volcano (which is exactly where they belong).

    USE YOUR OWN MINDS.

    Thankyou.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 10:02

  • Garulon #452 5 years ago

    Sensible Soccer better than GoW shocker!

    [link url=http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=65134 ]http://ww w.eurogamer.net/article.php?art...[/link]

  • mkreku #453 5 years ago

    jonnyreb: My friend at GAME has been playing GOW online today and says that it seems the code is not well optimised...lots of lag, dropouts etc.

    Epic not good at network code? You've got to be kidding me! Your friend is wrong, I can say that before trying the game myself. If there's something Epic excels at, it's network code.

  • Garulon #454 5 years ago

    "Maybe scores should be abolished all together? On this site at any rate. "

    Then how will they make their money?

  • miiiguel #455 5 years ago

    all in all it's allready selling, and making more money then movies like Spiderman 2, by the end of the week it should have made more money than Dead Man's Chest!

    Gamespot wich is known by having strict editorial rules against brand biasing gave GeOW 9.6, same score they gave Oblivion.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #456 5 years ago

    In my opinion it would be better to use a x out of 5 scale. 8/10, 9/10 and 10/10 are most of the time hardly distinguishable, this depends largely on the person who is playing the game and if the person likes the genre.

    The best would be more than just one review - let a game be reviewed by say 3 or 4 persons. It would put reviews much more in perspective, especially if you can identify with one of the reviewers.

    I used to read Total! magazine until it was discontinued in Germany, and they had a page where everyone of the team gave a very small statement about the game and a score. This information was much more valuable than any other review, because I knew the taste of each reviewer and knew if he likes that game, I will like it too.

    Then again, reviews usually do nothing for me if I want a game. If I want a game, i don't care if it will get a 7 or a 10. It is all the same for me. That is why I wouldn't mind a out of 5 score. Because 4/5 equals 7/10 up to 9/10 and usually means buy this game if you are interested.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 10:32

  • nickthegun #457 5 years ago

    Epic not good at network code? You've got to be kidding me! Your friend is wrong, I can say that before trying the game myself. If there's something Epic excels at, it's network code.

    QFT

    The original UT was one of the best looking games of its time and you could still get a decent game out of it with even the most chronic dial up connection. So much so that I regularly used to get 'OMG HAXX!! HAXXXXX!!!!' screamed at me when I beat some one on a DSL line. Your friend from game has either got his head up his arse or his connection needs looking at.

  • samk #458 5 years ago

    "My friend at GAME has been playing GOW online today and says that it seems the code is not well optimised...lots of lag, dropouts etc."

    Someone working at GAME would be the expert to trust when it comes to code optimisation...hahahaha

  • solidred #459 5 years ago

    Another good review.
    Seems very balanced.
    http://ww w.computerandvideogames.com/art...

  • UncleLou #460 5 years ago

    Prey graphics as good as this? Prey graphics are just "meh" all over

    Yes, everything else aside, if you look at the high-res videos of GoW, it looks absolutely mind-blowing. I am a PC fanboy, but I'll immediately admit that there isn't any game out on the PC at the moment that looks even nearly as good as GoW.

  • OhWiseOne #461 5 years ago

    As a reminder:

    [link url=htt p://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/928234.asp
    ]http://ww w.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/9...[/link]

    Site Name / Link Article Date Rating Ratio
    Play Magazine 12/1/2006 10 out of 10 100.0%
    Games Radar 11/7/2006 10 out of 10 100.0%
    PopCultureShock 11/7/2006 A+ 100.0%
    GameSpy 11/7/2006 5 out of 5 100.0%
    1UP 11/6/2006 10 out of 10 100.0%
    GameBrink 11/7/2006 97 out of 100 97.0%
    GameSpot 11/7/2006 9.6 out of 10 96.0%
    TeamXBOX 11/7/2006 9.6 out of 10 96.0%
    Game Informer 12/1/2006 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
    GamePro 11/7/2006 4.75 out of 5 95.0%
    IGN 11/7/2006 9.4 out of 10 94.0%
    GameTrailers 11/7/2006 9.1 out of 10 91.0%
    Official Xbox Magazine UK 12/1/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    Computer & Video Games UK 11/7/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    Daily Game 11/7/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    Yahoo! Games 11/7/2006 4.5 out of 5 90.0%


    Then there's little Eurogamer, with it's puny ABCs, who maybe didn't get their copy first because they always stitch MS up, spank it and give it an 8. Big f*cking surprise.



    Co*ks.

  • asphaltcowboy #462 5 years ago

    I wish people would STOP CALLING THIS AN FPS - IT IS NOT AN FPS

    Complain about the score and they don't even know what type of game it is!

  • SentientNr6 #463 5 years ago

    Silly score.
    Silly eurogamer.

    As shooters go it's a 10.
    Guess you don't like shooters.

  • SeesThroughAll #464 5 years ago

    Trolls are on force today :)

    /puts NotSoWiseOne on his ignore list...

  • tomkuryakin #465 5 years ago

    "Expectations are the curse of modern videogames. "

    Who should we blame for the hyped expectations? Is there any industry that's so obsessed with the future, rather than what's available now, as the games industry?

    Eurogamer has to take its share of the blame, with its previews, "first impressions" articles, japanese import reviews and US import reviews. Personally, I think EG should stick to reviewing European releases only. At least then the review will be out at the same time the game is readily available.

    I've lost count of the number of times that I've got excited by previews of games only to have lost all enthusiasm by the time the game is finally released, months or years later (or never in a few cases).

  • Darren #466 5 years ago

    It must be difficult to be a reviewer really as you get to experience all the PR for a game (i.e. all the hype) and get to play bits of it over the course of development so when it comes to actually reviewing it, you're not going to be playing it with the same fresh outlook or excitement as most people who actually go out and buy the game.

    Personally I've avoided reading too much about this game until now so I'm not really that affected by the hype nor have I seen too much of the game bar a few trailers. I'm looking forward to it from what I've read this week though and I'm naturally getting pretty excited about playing it but I'm not too sucked up by the hype because I've mostly been ignoring it until now. I always approach games with low expectations, that way I'm rarely disappointed!

  • smoothpete #467 5 years ago

    I think you all need to get out a bit more

  • Katsumoto #468 5 years ago

    apologies to be the 50th person to say this but noone seems to have taken this in...

    8 is very good in the computer gaming world. In other worlds: 8 can mean 80% - enough to get a First with Distinction at University (a high 8 would get published!), enough to get an A* at A-Level.

    Why are people complaining? You thought it was a 10, great. This reviewer didn't? It's not the end of the world? Get over it?
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 11:02

  • DDevil #469 5 years ago

    Wait, EG was accused of being biased in favour of Microsoft no more than a couple of months ago. People were critising them for favouring the 360 over the PS3. Where's this "OMG EG HATE MS" sentiment come from?

    You can't win guys, I'm sorry.

    Oh - and good review by the way!

  • Xerx3s #470 5 years ago

    Then there's little Eurogamer, with it's puny ABCs, who maybe didn't get their copy first because they always stitch MS up, spank it and give it an 8. Big f*cking surprise.

    If you don't like 'little EG', then fuck off to IGN or something you 28K+ tosser. I don't get these kind of ppl. You can disagree with scores and such but this is just silly. If you want to read that a game gets a 10/10, why don't you simply go to sites like IGN that take bribes?

  • Pooley #471 5 years ago

    What's the EG record for comments in a thread?

  • trevd72 #472 5 years ago

    if it can be confirmed as region free, apparently the US version is, play asia has it in for Ł21, just ordered call of duty 3 for twenty odd from there too. the online for CoD3 sounds ace - wolfenstien meets battlefield. i like shooting games!!

  • Yossarian #473 5 years ago

    "Wilfully countering expectations is the curse of Eurogamer's journalism."

  • Xerx3s #474 5 years ago

    What's the EG record for comments in a thread?

    1200+ iirc.

  • TheMoonRat #475 5 years ago

    Posting links or review scores from other sites / magazines is pretty pointless. That doesn't change this reviewers opinion: and it doesn't make this reviewers opinion wrong. You can't say that "oh well, X amount of people gave it maximum score so that's the score it should have got". By that logic, Titanic is the best film ever made because its the highest grossing film ever, and every FIFA released is the best game ever. The masses don't effect an individuals opinion :)

    And in any case, why the HELL are people complaining about it getting an 8??? If the lowest score a game gets anywhere it 8, then it's a DAMN fine game!! I think that's a better basis of review scores for most games; don't look so much at the top scores it got... look at the lowest scores it got. Not every reviewer may "get" the game or whatever - but if they still give it great scores, then the game clearly is very good!
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 11:07

  • Caradog #476 5 years ago

    Katsumoto's beaten me to it :)

    In what universe is 8 out of 10 not a good score? I can't believe the idiocy of people who think EG is at fault for not automatically awarding this 10/10. And to those who quote a list of review scores from other sites/mags (which differ by as much as a couple of points) as proof that the score is "wrong" I say this : when can an opinion be wrong?

    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 11:08

  • login_name #477 5 years ago

    So many posts, so little I.Q. Welcome to the Gears of War forum, where no one's allowed an opinion but everyone's got one to share. Sad.

  • tomkuryakin #478 5 years ago

    disc: That's a fair point. MS and Epic obviously want to sell their game, EG wants something to write about and we want something to read about. We're all complicit in the game industry's culture of relentlessly looking forwards to products not yet available.

    I also agree that a new generation of consoles doesn't necessarily lead to better games, only the same games with prettier graphics.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 11:10

  • Yossarian #479 5 years ago

    "What's the EG record for comments in a thread?

    1200+ iirc."

    ahh the great 'PS3 delayed in Europe' debacle of '06, I remember thee well.

  • Danbojones Verified Senior Staff Writer, GamesIndustry.biz #480 5 years ago

    So how many of you losers have played it? Uh-huh. So how many of you know better than the guy who has, the reviewer? Uh-huh.

  • Psychotext #481 5 years ago

    lol... just looking at game rankings and without the Eurogamer "80%" this game would have made position 12 in the all time review rankings beating:

    Gran Turismo,
    MGS2,
    GTA (All of them),
    Wind Waker,
    Halo 2,
    Half Life 2 (Among others).

    I get the feeling I might have just made some fanboy blood boil... =)

    (p.s. Yes I'm still buying it, I don't really care about all the arguing over the review. Oh and multiple edits for formatting...)
    Edited by 4 at 08/11/06 @ 11:21

  • peterfll #482 5 years ago

    It's at about this time I feel like a sing-song:

    Don’t feel like dancin’, dancin’
    Even if i find nothin' better to do
    Don’t feel like dancin’, dancin’
    Why’d you break down when I’m not in the mood?
    Don’t feel like dancin’, dancin’
    Rather be home with no one when I can't get down with you

    La la laa laa laaa lllllighten up.

  • samk #483 5 years ago

    "apologies to be the 50th person to say this but noone seems to have taken this in...8 is very good in the computer gaming world."

    "In what universe is 8 out of 10 not a good score?"

    tbh lads the same can be said of those like yourselves who're saying '8 is a good score so why are people complaining'. ie, people are having a pop at the score due to its context to other scores on this same website and you're not taking this in.

    Can't really have a pop at people for not taking something in, when you're evidently not either.

    But hey, just pointing that out, I'm on the fence watching. :)

  • Aurifex. #484 5 years ago

    I said earlier that 8 is a good score when all you have is an uncomplete version of the game. What else could EG do. What untill next week, the game is just too big to ignor.

  • Katsumoto #485 5 years ago

    fair point, but what you have to realise is that you can't put this review in the context of every other EG review. For one, they are not all written by Kristen. And two, there is not a massive objective catch-all scale which they apply scores to. This is just one man's opinion at a specific time about a specific game.

  • Gurgeh #486 5 years ago

    Maybe the question is, if our review score is the lowest out of all the sites on the web, and this hardly the first time this is the case, then maybe our reviews aren't as good as we think. The next question would be what is going to be done about it, and doing nothing is the risky option.

  • Genji #487 5 years ago

    Come on over to the Phoenix Wright thread for good times!

  • pinhead #488 5 years ago

    /checks preorder progress and awaits delivery of GOW.

  • nickthegun #489 5 years ago

    Even if i find nothin' better to do

    So thats what it says, huh? All I could hear was:

    Dont feel like dancing, dancing, DUBADABADABA DA DOO!

    What do you know? This thread has been useful for something after all........

  • Halo.Jones #490 5 years ago

    Yay, EG not sucking Microsofts cock.

  • Psychotext #491 5 years ago

    Amusing comment from someone called Halo... =)

  • samk #492 5 years ago

    Katsumoto "fair point, but what you have to realise is that you can't put this review in the context of every other EG review."

    Yeah totally agree mate. But at the same time surely it's not a free-for-all when it comes up uploading reviews, and there is some sort of site policy and attempt to keep some consistency?

    The guys earlier on in the thread weren't talking about the odd point here and there, which can be fully understood as some minor variation creeps in with different reviewers. But it's the likes of the pacman score being identical that's evidently what has got people's backs up. EG have made a rod for their own back tbh.

  • fizzer25 #493 5 years ago

    this website review is pretty irrelevant really in the grand scheme of things i couldn't give a monkeys if he gave it a 6 i have seen the trailers imo it looks like a game worth playing especially as cod2 online is just starting to get old!!

    however i believe that when its reviewed mp the score will change its just that i don't give a bollox what score he gives it as long as when i buy it i have a good time which im pretty much guaranteed to do!!!

  • fizzer25 #494 5 years ago

    whats the record for posts on here out of curiosity?

  • peterfll #495 5 years ago

    @TeddyBoy

    No shit. Your point?

  • gunthervald #496 5 years ago


    EUROPE VS AMERICA..
    roaaaar ahahahaahahah wweeee!

  • The-Bodybuilder #497 5 years ago

    >"Expectations are the curse of modern videogames."

    "TEH REAL N3XT GEN"

    Sorry, couldn't help myself.

  • BremXJones #498 5 years ago

    Randomly, I think that some of my favourite games of the year get 8s. Including games which I review and then *give* 8s.

    8's a great score on EG.

    KG

  • Pooley #499 5 years ago

    Just read a quite good article on GoW from a journo at The Escapist...

    [link url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/l ounge/view/65841-Gears-of-War-Im-Not-Buying-It
    ]http://ww w.escapistmagazine.com/lounge/v...[/link]

    Interesting conclusion though...

    "What I suspect Gears of War will sell the most of is Unreal 3 licenses"

    So is all the hype just so Epic can make a killing on Unreal 3 licences, supported by the Microsoft PR machine, and GoW is just a tech demo?

  • McGeeza #500 5 years ago

    I guess it is a tech demo, essentially.

    Still buying it for co-op campaign loveliness though.

  • WrongShui #501 5 years ago

    I was in Game and the bloke asked if I wanted to pre order GoW when I brought Dead Rising, I said no thanks it looks crap, he gave me a look like I had raped his mother.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 12:28

  • enzima #502 5 years ago

    I´m afraid EG is revealing its true nature..... I read the preview they gave for resistance, seemed fairly objective, nice game , nice weapons (REALLY BIG INNOVATION..) and great graphics....then i headed to GOW review, and i find that what was interesting in resistance became "more of the same" in GOW...thats crap!!! And yeah, 8 is not bad, but this game deserves 9. Swear to god that if resistance reviews is not "objective" in the same way, EG just lost a reader. And dont get me started on how they praise Sony, that in case you guys forgot is giving Europe the shaft...

  • peterfll #503 5 years ago

    Blows TeddyBoy a *kiss*.

    :-)

  • PS3lol #504 5 years ago

    This game is fantastic, people are rightfully having a brilliant time playing it. Yet here you all are with your negative shit trying to bring another great game down with your low scores and negative vibes about how Eurogamer are the only people who can review games.

    Fuck you and fuck Eurogamer. You can wallow in your own shit all day, other people are going to get on and play the game of the year.

    Fuck you.

  • Dukkha #505 5 years ago

    Those saying 8 is a good score should realise that for the last 50 X360 games EG has given the following scores:

    Score/times
    10: 1
    9: 4
    8: 14
    7: 17
    6: 4
    5: 5
    4: 2
    3: 3
    2: 0
    1: 0

    So a game with the score of 8 is just better than an average game. Of course most gaming sites has the same insane scoring system where the scores are inflated. I as soon as a game score under what equals 85% i usually skip them unless it is a series or genre that I really like. If the score of 5 truly should be counted as a medium score and 8 as a high score than the X360 must have the best games ever.
    Anyway, not having played Gears of War I must admit I am interested in the co-op part but I am really tired of the macho-man stereotype heroes and I never thought Halo was as good as most people say so I will probably buy RS:Vegas and CoD3 before this.

  • Halo.Jones #506 5 years ago

    @ Psychotext Check my bio, my name predates that shitty game called Halo

    Google the name Halo Jones :)
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 12:43

  • milesahead #507 5 years ago

    A lot of talk about Next -gen, GOW being MS killer amp and so on.

    What is next-gen? Innovation in gameplay and in ideas, (haven't seen much of that yet), better graphics. (we're getting there)

    People are disappointed that nothing is new on the so called next-gen, we only get rehashed ideas over an over again.

    You remember Icco on the play2 what a great game, remember how you felt something totally new while playing it, still it had elments that were extremily basic ( all the ghosts whipping moments, WOW those moment were really fresh ;) still it's viewed as a classic! And still i'm glad it is...

    So what would GOW need to do to become a classic? Graphics (never been done this well on any console).

    Though it's kind of an FPS it still bring some new or atleast execute some ideas better than ever before.

    What would be an huge step forward compared to brilliant games like let's say half-life 1-2,

    well something that actually no one's been talking about and it's definitively next-gen.

    You'll be able to play through the campaign with almost no loading time, real time cut scenes melting into the action giving us a whole new gaming experiance, yes games like RE4 on the game cube, Halo 2 or even Ghost recon been doing it in some ways, but not this smooth!

    I still think it's the small details that will make a difference in todays gaming,
    ask youself, PES players I know you reading this!
    What makes the PES series so great well we all know it's all the tweaking, the attention to details that makes it the game to beat year after year.

    So in many ways it looks like on an technical level GOW is doing everything just a little better than what's been done before in it's genre, even bending the FPS a little bit aswell !

    Still it gets compared to some less than great games... strange...



    If we want gameplay a la Avalon (for those of you who've seen the movie) i'll just think we'll have to wait a little longer...





  • GitSomE_UK #508 5 years ago

    So it's as good as Pacman then for the 360?

    I laugh at Gears of War and all you who get upset by this review. You all obviously like watching big muscled men holding their weapons.

    HA!

    It's just another eye candy demo to try and boost the XBox 360 sales over Chrimbles. After all you can't have Pacman on the HMV/Virgin/Game big screens to sell the 360.

    No no no no Bill Gates lures you in by dancing the GOW dance then you buy, then you find the only shit half worth buying is kack arcade games from 20 years ago Mwah hahahahahaha Bill has you now!


  • PS3lol #509 5 years ago

    So Fifa street is better than Gears?. Get that prick Kristian back to this forum and tell him this.

    He had better make this game a 9/10 or 10/10 when he's finished sucking his own cock and gets around to playing co-op and mulitplayer. Add the fucking two points loser, multiplayer deserves some fucking credit dick head. And all you Eurogamer batty boys go finger yoursleves.

  • PS3lol #510 5 years ago

    "So it's as good as Pacman then for the 360?

    I laugh at Gears of War and all you who get upset by this review. You all obviously like watching big muscled men holding their weapons.

    HA!

    It's just another eye candy demo to try and boost the XBox 360 sales over Chrimbles. After all you can't have Pacman on the HMV/Virgin/Game big screens to sell the 360.

    No no no no Bill Gates lures you in by dancing the GOW dance then you buy, then you find the only shit half worth buying is kack arcade games from 20 years ago Mwah hahahahahaha Bill has you now!"

    Go rape your dads stinky hole again faggot.

  • kangarootoo #511 5 years ago

    I can't believe people are still ratlling on about the score, and making comparisons to other sites that gave this 9/10.

    Here is the truth as I see it, its the definite truth, I've had it officiated by the ghost of Norris McWhirter.


    Anyone who spits their dummy out over a difference in a SUBJECTIVE score of a CREATIVE media by a degree equal to the SMALLEST DIVISION afforded by the scale of measurement... if a fucking IDIOT pedant who clearly does not possess the basic intellect required to understand the trivial concept of subjectivity, and they need their entire life examining... and then ending asap.

    When you are lying on your deathbeds, counting your final seconds as they ebb away, you will curse the time you spent writing "8/10!! This is an 8.02/10 for sure!", just as I will regret the seconds spent writing this.


    Anyway, there it is. Thats the truth. I won't hear anything to the contrary. And anyone who disagrees is wrong, forever, and smells.

  • darkmistx #512 5 years ago

    "I laugh at Gears of War and all you who get upset by this review. You all obviously like watching big muscled men holding their weapons. "

    Eh, I thought everyone knew GoW is a homo-erotic fantasy-action game targetted towards the 360's gay demographic. MS always said they were trying to broaden the appeal of the 360.

  • RedPanda #513 5 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • McGeeza #514 5 years ago

    @ kangarootoo

    Amen brother.

  • Yossarian #515 5 years ago

    "Honestly, all this over a FPS fer fecks sake."

    how can we stop people like you from ever posting?

  • RedPanda #516 5 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • JayPee #517 5 years ago

    To pick apart the review a little:

    General:
    "It's a game with the most spectacularly beautiful backdrops and subtle graphical effects you've ever seen in a videogame, and yet within those incredible environments takes place one of the most pure, uncompromising, simple gaming experiences you could possibly have"

    About the controls:
    It's a slick, almost perfect balance of functionality and usability that lets you slip into the game without spending more than a minute getting used to how to play the game."

    About the enemies/AI:
    "Where the game really starts to shine is when it does the decent thing and introduces a bit more gameplay and scenario variety, with different types of enemies, incredible new environments and some new toys to play with."

    Which is completely at odds with a comment later:
    "These are AI routines we're well versed in, and familiar duck and cover tactics that we're used to from other games, "
    ??

    About the artistry:
    ", it's impossible not to be seduced by the sheer artistry of Gears of War's 'destroyed beauty'"

    "you're left agog by cut-scenes of such scale and ambition that they're worthy of Hollywood."

    Yet you later say:
    "we've never been comfortable with the rather camp, beefed-up, grizzled marine characters that we're supposed to sympathise with."

    Not only should "we've" be "I've" (I loved Predator and alike for the over-the-top charachters) but it is again at odds with the phrase in the very next paragraph:
    ", the storyline's actually not bad, and the game's structure flows quite nicely to lend a sense of genuine purpose to all the bug-squishing"

    Well, make your mind up.

    8 is good. But this review could be better. I'm not actually sure what you marked it down for apart from being 10 hours long in sp?
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 13:25

  • thinktank #518 5 years ago

    I dont want to join the hordes of xbot's saying "OMG, A F*cking 8, that bullsh/t man!"

    But i think kurdster as made a fundamental mistake. You see the very essence of the review to me seems to be kurdster's determination to review this game without being sucked into the hype. To give it a score purely based its quality as a game not as AAA must have or Killer app or what ever nonsense buzzwords are floating about. This is a valid standpoint and one that should be taken more often, 1UP's review is clear case of where MS's PR and hype have created an instance where an unrealistic score has been given. 10 out of 10, please.

    However in kurdster's attempt to avoid this pitfall I believe he has in fact moved too far the other way on the see saw of objective opinion. He seems to have marked the game down based on its inability to live up to the hype. Why spend so much of the review talking about expectations and hype if these are the very things you don't want to talk about as they have nothing to do with the actual game? Unwittingly he has ended up scoring the game based on hype.

    This review screams of "i want to be different" syndrome so much its actual as bad a review as 1up's.

    Hype should not influence a professional reviewer, positively or negatively.

    For example apply the same arguments you put forth in this review such as a lack of innvovation and bringing nothing new to the genre. Then apply them to SC:DA a game with little hype in comparison, and you will see the how much of a contradiction there is.

    Also why review a game with out MP enabled? would you review Grand Turismo with out the career mode?

    I want reiterate that my disappointment lies in the quality of the review not the score.

  • SuperAl81 #519 5 years ago

    I read the first few pages but my lunch break doesn't support 2hrs plus of reading!

    Anyway reading the EG article I was interested to know if Cliffy B (don't get me started) kept the game to 5 eps/30 chapters for time/money reasons or because DVD only offers 9GB of data and the game would require more to maintain the high quality of textures/code etc?

    BTW been reading EG for many years and this is my first post so yipee for me!
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 13:42

  • fkh #520 5 years ago

    Nice to see that at least one gaming site can be trusted.

    It`s probably too easy to get caught up in pressure from (in this case) rabid Xbox fanboys (and who knows who else...) who desperately wants a new Halo before Nintendo and Sony gets their systems out of the gate.

    Good job on doing your best to stay objective guys, in a sea of hype.

    Edited for grammar.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 13:32

  • Yossarian #521 5 years ago

    "Anyway reading the EG article I was interested to know if Cliffy B (don't get me started) kept the game to 5 chapters ... because DVD only offers 9GB of data and the game would require more to maintain the high quality of textures/code etc?"

    very short answer: no

    jesus christ

  • Daymare #522 5 years ago

    *sigh*

    How can anybody in a sane state of mind object the score at the end of a review of a game they haven't even played yet? At least wait 'till it comes out, PLAY it and THEN disagree or compare it to other reviews, if you must! Gee-ZUS! Some people in here act like Kristan's review insulted their mother...

  • enzima #523 5 years ago

    @ thinktank
    I´m completely with you man, i too think he was trynig to be objective and ended up being....bigoted.
    Still, my complain is also due to the fact that "more of the same" its not a good point IF everything else is great....not ALL the games have to be innovative....and the best FPS (cant diswagree with that, i hope) now is GOW. Graphics is great, gameplay too, no major flaw....be fair and give the game an honest review, it deserves it....
    /eagerly waiting for the same objectiveness about resistance....

  • Azazel #524 5 years ago

    I sense a great disturbance in the force...

  • Dirtbox #525 5 years ago

    Heh.

    So many idiots, so little internet.

  • FooAtari #526 5 years ago

    Why do people keep calling this an FPS. ITS THIRD PERSON, NOT FIRST!

  • kangarootoo #527 5 years ago

    @MostlyDavid

    Well written (plus the others who have recently commented eloquently on the subject).

  • king_skins #528 5 years ago

    @ kangarootoo: I have also had this truth validated by Chuck Norris and anyone who disagrees will get a roundhouse kick to the teeth delivered by man himself. He's watching... and waiting...

    Also, good review :)

  • lennon #529 5 years ago

    "we've never been comfortable with the rather camp, beefed-up, grizzled marine characters that we're supposed to sympathise with."

    For some reason I really like the idea of a mod for this game where the main characters all look a bit like MR Bean. I could sympathise with him. :)

  • kangarootoo #530 5 years ago

    @king_skins

    Yay! There is a movement forming, with celebrity backing no less. Lets take back the web from the angry kids who have no sense of proportion. They don't outnumber us, they just cry louder.

  • ChromeMud #531 5 years ago

    Hmmm tough choice!

    /buys Pac Man
    Whoohooo I can afford Sensi Soccer too yip!

    /changes mind and goes to the pub instead!

    This editing game is almost Next Gen :D
    Edited by 3 at 08/11/06 @ 14:13

  • Vin #532 5 years ago

    And that bag of shite - Bully - got a 9?

    Good lord.

  • thinktank #533 5 years ago

    I'm not commenting how well the score reflects the game, as I haven’t played it either.

    And yes I do believe the score represents the opinions in the review but its those opinions I disagree with. When I read a review a want to know about how well the dev has done what they set out to achieve and how well the game plays looks and feels. I don’t want to read about hype and expectations, I can get that of a fanboy forum. I especial don't want the outcome of the review to reflect such inconsequential matters.

    After all people are basing Ł50 on these reviews.

    Of course I realize its just a bloody review, and no I don’t think he has offended my mother by giving the game an 8, it’s a good score! I just think I have a valid point to put to all those who think EG is the shining beacon of objective reviews.

    Also Kanga am I still considered eloquent if I disagree with EG?

  • Dial999 #534 5 years ago

    11/7/2006 ~Max~ Log in for more options

    Last Post:
    11/7/2006 Did anyone read the eurogamer review? Man those guys are snobs. The review is an excercise in mental mastrubation. What a prick.



    That's from Gamerankings.com LOL .............

  • Garulon #535 5 years ago

    "Sony execs are scared a game might get a good review and, er, pay one website to give it an 8 instead of a 9 or a 10? That'll really stymie Microsoft... "

    If EG doesn't take bribes, how do you explain the Sensible Soccer score of 9/10?

    Jesus, I'd actually _prefer_ them taking bribes to actually liking that box of unfinished, unplayable shit. Normally you'd check on the "Driver 3" score as that's the Gold Standard of bribability, but sadly EG search results doesn't list it as a reviewed game. Hmmm.

  • udat #536 5 years ago

    First! \o/

  • kangarootoo #537 5 years ago

    @thinktank

    "After all people are basing Ł50 on these reviews"

    Not in this "return within 8 days" age they aren't. No one should be comitting Ł50 to a game they don't enjoy playing, reviews or otherwise.

    "Also Kanga am I still considered eloquent if I disagree with EG"

    Oh of course. I have no issue with people disgreeing with opinion. At no point did I suggest that the score was "correct".

    It is the failure to see opinion as exactly that which I have a hard time with. Failure to see that a score cannot be "wrong" (certainly not by its smallest division at any rate).

    The score is the least important part of the review, its also the least suitable part of a review for direct comparison (I realise it at first appears to be the most suitable, which is what gets people so hyper about it all, but its simply not) and going by what you wrote it sounds like you agree to some extent.

    All scores should be viewed in a +/-1 context, this would be some way to embracing that they are just subjective ball park comparisons. So says me anyway.

  • kangarootoo #538 5 years ago

    @Dial999

    Why would you trust one internet posting over another. Finding a derogatory comment somewhere on the internet is hardly proof of life on mars is it?

  • BlondOwl #539 5 years ago

    I'm sure there is nothing wrong with this game, it looks solid and fun. What the heck do people expect? I do agree with the reviewers comment on beefed up character design, not very appealing unless you're an UT fan....
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 14:36

  • Garulon #540 5 years ago

    "Please don't put words in my mouth. I said the idea of Sony bribing EG to drop the mark to an 8 was ludicrous. Which it is."

    Depends how it's done, isn't it? When Rob's over on the ironically-named ThreeSpeech with his probing Phil "You're so awesome Phil. You bound so energetically" interviews, it wouldn't cost Sony a hell of a lot saying something like "We'll let you have first crack at the PS3 hardware and our first-party games if you go nice and harsh on the 360 scores until March, give us a bit of breathing room in Europe", and because EG have no integrity, they see nothing wrong in it. It's all page hits at the end of the day, right?

    We're talking about a company that makes up reviewers ("David Manning";) and refuses sales unless competitor products advertising is taken down (DreamCast) and a website that quite happily bungs scores. Which bit is ludicrous?
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 14:49

  • goz #541 5 years ago

    All this comments thread proves is that people like to protect their investments. Sure, most of the upset here won’t have played the game – but in a sense that’s not the point; many 360 owners already have an investment in this game – be it financial (in the form of a pre-order) or emotional (in the form of pre-Christmas hope for entertainment).

    Previews and PR are pure foreplay and the last thing the aroused want is a cold critical shower just before consummation. That’s entirely natural but, to fail to realise that that’s what’s inspiring your mad and thrashing reaction against the review (rather than arguing from a position actual experience with the game yourself) is also entirely immature.

    Anyway, as you were, circus!

  • UncleLou #542 5 years ago

    Heh, excellent post, goz.

  • MasterGrief #543 5 years ago

    It's funny watching the 360 fanboys throwing their toys out of their prams over this review. Tell me something why do you read reviews exactly ?

    I mean if you start throwing tantrums because the an overhyped game didn't get a score to live up to your brainwashed expectations then you may as well just buy the game and pretend that it's the best game ever. Ignorance is bliss they say.

    Or you could start up one of those gay review blogs where you can rate every 360 game 10 and every PS3 game 0. It might make all the difference in those Gamerankings scores ;)

  • Garulon #544 5 years ago

    "Tell me something why do you read reviews exactly ?"

    I haven't read any others, I don't read or agree with reviews normally anyway. I read this one to see if EG was still on the bung.

    Yep. Good to know.

  • the_dudefather #545 5 years ago

    lol 600

  • Collie #546 5 years ago

    This seems to be a highly topical game to discuss with all these hundreds of comments. However, I'd much rather talk about flan.

    I like flan. With fruit and jelly.

  • Garulon #547 5 years ago

    We're going to need Nintendophans to get this bad boy up to 600.

    Sooo, GoW - IMPOSSIBLE ON A Wii. You'd have to be some kind of idiot to blow Ł180 on a warmed over GameCube when you can pick up an original pre-owned GC for Ł30 and the only game that'll every be any good EVER on it - Zelda:TWP is available on the GC as well.

    And what's the deal with having to buy four or five different controllers to play Wii/GC/VC stuff?

  • MasterGrief #548 5 years ago

    So Garulon your saying Eurogamer take bribes from Sony eh ? Well thats interesting beacause on their first EG TV episode they were slamming Sony and praising Microsoft.

    Oh and while we're on the topic Microsoft makes about 16 x as much profit as Sony so don't you think if anyone is able to pay bribes it will be Microsoft ? I mean I'm sure Microsoft have enough money to employ several thousand people to work as shills on the internet so yeah I'm more inclined to doubt Sony being the ones dealing out bribes.

    PGR3 10/10on 1up anyone ?

    Edit Lets not forget the Gears 10/10 review on Gamesradar which coincidently happens to be owned by Microsoft
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 15:18

  • Garulon #549 5 years ago

    "I'm more inclined to doubt Sony being the ones dealing out bribes. "


    Hilarious! Check out:

    [link url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Manning_%28 fictitious_writer%29
    ]http://en .wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Manni...[/link]

    And then tell me what Sony is morally capable of.

  • Garulon #550 5 years ago

    "Out of interest, do you think the fix is in?"

    Honestly, in this case? Nope. But I'm DAMN sure EG took the bung for Sensible Soccer and (if I can find the review) Driver 3, so their integrity is lost forever as far as I'm concerned. Giving a fake good review is a LOT more harmful than a fake bad review.

  • MasterGrief #551 5 years ago

    Hey Garulon heres an example of a Microsoft shill

    [link url=http://uk.gamespot.com/events/ps3l aunch/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25003216
    ]http://uk .gamespot.com/events/ps3launch/...[/link]

    I'm fully aware of the Sony guy that was exposed but when you look at the facts Microsoft are in a simply much better position to deal out bribes than Sony are.
    Infact they pretty much invented FUD so yeah excuse me for thinking that Sony are the lesser of two evils when it comes to dishonest practices

    http://en .wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_unc...

    Notice the copious references to Microsoft
    Edited by 2 at 08/11/06 @ 15:46

  • Garulon #552 5 years ago

    "Infact they pretty much invented FUD so yeah excuse me for thinking that Sony are the lesser of two evils when it comes to dishonest practices"

    IBM invented FUD, right down to the acronym.

    "Hey Garulon heres an example of a Microsoft shill "

    Explain how a Microsoft developer posting his pro-Microsoft (duh, he works there) burble is the same as inventing a fictitious film reviewer and using his fictitious quotes in your movie posters.

  • lennon #553 5 years ago

    I love it when the words Journalist and integrity come together ;)

  • MasterGrief #554 5 years ago

    Garulon they aren't the same yes but the point is they both attempt to deceive people by posting information while at the same time pretending to unaffiliated to their companys.

    But I also gave you the example of Gamesradar which are owned (part of the MSN network) by Microsoft which review multiplatform games. It's the eqivalent if the Official Xbox magazine started reviewing PS3 and Wii games as well---ie it can't be trusted.

  • Garulon #555 5 years ago

    "Official Xbox magazine started reviewing PS3 and Wii games as well---ie it can't be trusted."

    Or paid "semi-official" Sony blog writers started reviewing XBox 360 games?

  • lennon #556 5 years ago

    Might be wrong but I thought Gamesradar was owned by Future publishing?

  • Nobuo #557 5 years ago

    First! Oh, hang on...

  • JediMasterMalik #558 5 years ago

    WOW, so many comments.

  • Eighthours #559 5 years ago

    Edit Lets not forget the Gears 10/10 review on Gamesradar which coincidently happens to be owned by Microsoft

    Except they aren't owned by Microsoft in any way, shape or form. But don't let facts get in the way, eh, MasterGrief?

  • Yossarian #560 5 years ago

    MasterGrief is up with albundy on the league table of idiocy

    nobody is bribing anyone for scores good or bad, get outta here

  • Tyronne #561 5 years ago

    This many replies to just this one game!...we been invaded or something...ffs its just a game!!!!

  • rauper Verified Managing Director, Eurogamer Network #562 5 years ago

    I'm not going to point out the things that are wrong in this thread as I'd be here for a while, but this one:

    "Or paid "semi-official" Sony blog writers started reviewing XBox 360 games?"

    Is very wrong. He wasn't paid.

  • MasterGrief #563 5 years ago

    @ Eighthours At the very least they have some of agreement with them as they used to be called gamesradar.MSN.co.uk Also MSN.co.uk uses them for all their game related stuff so yeah even if they aren't entirely owned they aren't exactly unaffiliated either.

    @ Yossarian If you'd read the earlier posts on this page you'd have realised that it was Garulon talking about bribes and I was simply refuting him.
    Heres some advice READ things properly don't just pick out a few words in a persons text and start jumping to conclusions.

  • ronuds #564 5 years ago

    I got Gears of War last night. An 8 is a decent score for the game, but I think it deserves more. It's definitely one of the best at what it does.

  • Lockjaw #565 5 years ago

    LMFAO how many comments

    Anyways, I've looked at a shite load of reviews across multi format sites and this is one of the lowest, but I'm not surprised.

    Eurogamer is good like that, ripping real try-hard games down and providing such bountiful posting opportunites on said literature.

    For the record I've enjoyed plenty of games on various consoles that Eurogamer have really slain in reviews, besides which 8/10 is not even a low score

    I reckon I'll love it

    Gamespot is a damned harsh site, they seem to butcher all most every game they can get there hands on and yet praised it with 9.6 along with alot of other hard edged sites

    Looking forward to this ASAP

    I take it none of you have actually played it, so I'd save it.

  • johnboy_johsnon #566 5 years ago

    8/10, big deal. Does anybody really believe the score in Eurogamer will have any impact on the sale of the game? I think not.

    Generally the only thing that would put me off buying a game is consistently bad reviews. Seeing as this game hasn't got a bad review yet (I'm sure I'll be proved wrong on this) it's on my list of must-buys (well, it's already pre-ordered).

  • Azazel #567 5 years ago

    lol, can you imagine what's going to happen to the journalist that decides to actually give this a bad review?

  • mustardkid #568 5 years ago

    how come the front page says 696 comments for this thread but i can only jump to 593 does firefox have a ghey filter that i don't know about?

    if so it's borked

  • haowan #569 5 years ago

    LeDil:

    You quoted:
    "When you try to guide hero Marcus Fenix over a rotted-out wooden floor without dropping him into a nest of bloodthirsty Locusts, you'll know the definition of innovation."

    Did you read this back to yourself before you quoted it? Weak floorboards is innovation now? I'd be inclined, on reading such absolute twaddle in a review, to completely dismiss it and anything else the reviewer had written. And that's disregarding the fact that the gushing prose there is pure hyperbole.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 17:08

  • Azazel #570 5 years ago

    how come the front page says 696 comments for this thread but i can only jump to 593

    I think it still counts deleted comments? Correct me someone if i'm wrong. Y'know... someone posts a comment then is overcome by pure despair.

    *Edit* @MM: Ah, I stand corrected.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 17:20

  • kangarootoo #571 5 years ago

    Rotting floorboards = trapdoors that open when you stand on them = 8bit gaming mechanic

  • SlackMaster #572 5 years ago

    wow this thread is getting big... :s

  • SlackMaster #573 5 years ago

    I think for big titles (or at least anticipated ones) should get two reviewers to write a review each. At least that way you get a less bias view of what the game is actually like.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 17:27

  • mattigan #574 5 years ago

    This is a shit storm, the like of which I have never seen!

  • Azazel #575 5 years ago

    Rotting floorboards = trapdoors that open when you stand on them = 8bit gaming mechanic

    I was going to say Quake 1... but yeah.

  • mustardkid #576 5 years ago

    don't any of you xbox fans appreciate seeing opinions on games that differ from yr own. If you just want to read yr own opinion but with different words then hire a ghostwriter.

    yeh i know words falling on deaf eyes

  • Rambaldi #577 5 years ago

    EG SUK A DIK AND CAN@T REVIEW FER SHITE WAH WAH MS ARE SHITE WAH WAH CANCEL MY PREORDER WAH WAH IT@S A A FUDDING FUD CON WAH WAH FPS SUXS DUUUDE WAH WAH IT@S MACHO SHITE WAH.....WAH......waaaaahh

    /can sleep better tonight knowing he's as pathetic as all the other dolts round here;)

  • Rambaldi #578 5 years ago

    How can ANYONE be dissapointed with an FPS that gets an 8 on EG?

    Not Eastern? Check
    No swords or magic? Check
    No androgenous lead character? Check
    Not obscure or progressive just good old fashioned manfun? Check

    Heck, 8's the new 10 with western sci-fi EG fps! WHA WHA WHA.....

    /sticks on Del Amitri, plays air guitar, downs a few buds and watches TopGun
    Edited by 2 at 08/11/06 @ 17:49

  • Xerx3s #579 5 years ago

    What? No 2K+ post yet? You lot disappoint me.

    /spits on thread

  • miiiguel #580 5 years ago

    We all agree that if this game was a PS3 exclusive it would get a 11.97 out of 10 from EG.

  • FooAtari #581 5 years ago

    Is it really that hard to grasp. GoW isnt an FPS!!!!!!

  • miiiguel #582 5 years ago

    mustardkid: what's your problem, man ? The point is this game is totally amazing, and the excuse that EG gives for giving the lower score from 20 reviews listed at metacritic, is that they had "expectations"..? I really just come here for a laugh, you know. They rate a machine as an amzing machine 'cos it has a "spiderman-alike" logo..., not a single word from its games, but they kept saying PS3 is som much more good looking than 360. Should I ask them the tie's colours for the next season ?

  • miiiguel #583 5 years ago

    The thing is... people saying the game is not enjoyable, DO NOT PLAY IT!!!!! There's allready 1 million owners of the game, we don't need you!!!!!

  • Les #584 5 years ago

    "We all agree that if this game was a PS3 exclusive it would get a 11.97 out of 10 from EG."

    bullshit.

    All the people complaining the review score is too low should stop whining, because it's actually way too high. This game was a flagship for next gen gaming and all it f'cking delivers is very nice graphics (from a technical POV) with same-old gameplay. The real question is "could this game have been created on the Xbox" and the answer is a big fat YES. Apart from the graphics, this game adds nothing new and to me that is pathetic (though you could hardly expect more from Epic).

  • miiiguel #585 5 years ago

    @ Les: DO NOT BUY IT; DO NOT GET NEAR IT!!!! I'll have no less fun because of that...!

    But just out of cuiriosty, did you play it ? Or do you don't play games anymore, just read EG reviews ? I can point 19 other reviews, that says it delievers in every ascpect...
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 18:05

  • mustardkid #586 5 years ago

    heh got no problem i just think its really funny how mad people get about review scores - They Are Not Important

  • miiiguel #587 5 years ago

    "Gears of War is an outstanding technical achievement, but in addition to looking and sounding amazing, it's a seriously awesome action game." @ Gamespot.com

    "Each stage is memorable...They all combine for an unforgettable adventure through 36 hectic, desperate hours of a group of soldiers' lives...A visual and visceral masterpiece." @ 1UP.com

    "Gears of War is truly a breakthrough: The absolute finest game of its kind. The bar has definitely been raised. What Halo did for first-person shooters, Gears does for third person - it's that good." @ Play Magazine

    "Huge, muscular combatants move like giant men wearing heavy gear, fine details are everywhere, and splattering blood never looked so beautiful - and we mean that in an uncreepy, non-Hannibal Lecter kind of way. It just looks incredible." @ GamesRadar

    "I'm smitten with Gears of War and all its glorious, horrific violence, blood and anarchy. Move over Master Chief, 'cause Marcus Fenix will kick your bony ass all over town." @ GameSpy

    "From the amazing experience that is the single player to the well balanced and extremely fun multiplayer to the visuals and beyond Gears is the best game of the year hands down." @ GamesBrink

    The list goes on, and on...

  • FooAtari #588 5 years ago

    I am more amazed with every post...

  • miiiguel #589 5 years ago

    "Gears of War is a game of superlatives; it's a game so full of moments that are enough to bring you to tears; it is the next-generation. Focussing on delivering THE next-generation action blockbuster, it would be hard to describe Epic's effort as particularly creative or revolutionary; but it is a shooter of the highest quality - one to hold out on the 360 as being testament to what the system can achieve with a talented team and a $10 million budget - roll on Gears of War 2..." @ Total Video Games

    But hey, Les says it is an average game, capable of beeing done in a XB and PS2, or maybe a mobile phone...

  • miiiguel #590 5 years ago

    what I find most odd is that people can jump on saying the game is average without playing it. Like someone say that the gyrothing from Sony is laughable, I do not say it until I try. But then again Sony-only players are weird.

  • PS3lol #591 5 years ago

    Go fuck a duck Eurogamer. One of those ones in the tech demos Sony put out to fool the public with.

    Fuck a duck bitch

  • gerald #592 5 years ago

    Hey, let's all leave the room and watch, how long it takes, until miiiguel realises...

  • viperfoxbat #593 5 years ago

    I don't know what people are expecting this generation for games but don't expect nothing that is all new. Gears of War is a 3rd person tactical shooter and nothing more. Why EG could not score the game based on those merits is beyond me. I'm not sure what the reviewer was looking for but they will continue looking because nothing much will change this gen. If you want real change then buy a Wii. The only change with that system of course is the controls. Your still going to have FPS,RPG,Platformers,etc. etc. on the Wii. I do not take review scores by themselves but take all reviews scores into account. Gamerankings.com is where you really go for the accumulated scores. This gives you a better idea of how the game is.

  • Les #594 5 years ago

    "I can point 19 other reviews, that says it delievers in every ascpect..."

    Probably by idiot Americans. I'm sure the game is fun. Mine sweeper is fun too. So is Pacman. Some people even like SM. That's not my point. This was to be the pinnacle of next gen gaming and besides lots of polygons and nice lighting, it delivers nothing next gen. I don't care most game journo's (aka hardcore gamers that are (sometimes) lucky enough to actually get money for the words they publish on the internet) really like it. I'm pretty sure its likable. But I'm not going to shell out a couple a hundred euros to play current gen mechanics in a nice High Dev coat. So as a next gen game, this can be nothing but a huge disappointment. As a game it might be OK or even good.

    P.S. aimed at no one in particular, try downloading Firefox 2.0. It's built-in spell checker sure saved me a lot of edits while typing this message... ;)

  • bloodflowers #595 5 years ago

    It still surprises me that people expect "next generation" gameplay. You're chasing a dream that will never be realised. There's good or bad, simple or complex, and very little that hasn't already been done. Maybe EG are the only ones not sold on the hype, maybe they are just Sonys bitches, but there are enough generally good opinions that anyone interested in the game should feel pretty safe buying it.

  • miiiguel #596 5 years ago

    Les: Les don't be mad... ;), those kind of remarks considering writting mistakes in a language that is my 3rd one is used a lot by some guys in here when they don't like something I said...
    And I use Firefox, as a matter of fact I don't own a MS or MAC machine, so I use but Mozilla in its various flavours.

    Anyway, if this game was on a Sony machine you would have liked it, a lot.
    I'm sorry you didn't like to play it... or you just read EG's review ? eheheh!

    And it's kinda silly to call Americans stupids, I mean I'm portuguese... so I'm supposed to be a good footall player and write bad english - No, just the 2nd...
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 18:38

  • Azazel #597 5 years ago

    The girlfriend per poster ratio continues to fall.

  • Rusta #598 5 years ago

    Great review, well worth the read.

    From reading the reviews this game is a must buy if you own a 360, HD screen and 5.1 if to not only remind you why you brought a next gen console.

    Roll on the other developers who aim to beat it, we the consumer will benefit

  • Les #599 5 years ago

    "It still surprises me that people expect "next generation" gameplay."

    Why else buy a next gen console?! Unless of course you're a graphics whore or because of the simple fact that the supply of new games to the current gen eventually will stop.

  • miiiguel #600 5 years ago

    Why else buy a next gen console?!

    To play with a gyrothing, of course!

    Les: I'm doing an excercise here, just archived some comments of yours, then you'll read them again when PS3 comes out (eventually).
    Edited by 2 at 08/11/06 @ 18:42

  • Rambaldi #601 5 years ago

    @Les

    Why are you bashing on about next-gen gameplay? Do PC gamers do it whenever a new graphics card or processor it released? No, they expect better graphics, better sounds and slow refinement - pretty much like any other entertainment medium. Stop whinging at get your feet back on the ground.

    Next you'll be telling me that whiskers are full of shit because only 5 out of 10 cats you asked said they liked it.

    Don't believe the hype dude and (more importantly) stop using it as an argument.

    A few years ago it was "linear" being brandished around as an excuse for a game being poor (usually by commentators lacking the articulation to put their finger on exactly what it is they don't like) even though some of the greatest games ever made are nothing but linear. Now the buzz word for criticism is "next-gen" when some of the best games around are refinements and showcases for existing formulae.

    Please, go and listen to Zane Lowe or something if you want to be new (i.e. suck up to change for change's sake).

    How many types of novel, film, cartoon, book, magazine, painting, sculpture are there? A few, but a finite amount. Get over it. Games should be no different. Enjoy things for what they are. Glass half full. Nuff sed.
    Edited by 2 at 08/11/06 @ 19:05

  • Xerx3s #602 5 years ago

    Rauper: Is very wrong. He wasn't paid.

    I knew it! Rauper & co doesn't pay his staff. So what do you do? Lock them up in the basement and throw them a bone every once in a while? ;)

  • captainrentboy #603 5 years ago

    I bought a next gen console for sexier graphics,better game engines,and more intelligent AI.And that's pretty much it :/ I knew before my 360 purchase that the vast majority of the time I'd still be playing the same tired genres,FPS,Racers,Platformers,3rd person shooters,but I'd be getting a bigger and better treat on the eyes than what the older consoles could offer.
    What do the naysayers actually expect from next gen consoles if not those attributes above?From what I can see the PS3 will be bringing the exact same thing.
    When it comes to brand new game experiences and originality the general gaming masses don't usually take to it too well.Katamari or Killer 7 anyone?
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 19:03

  • captainrentboy #604 5 years ago

    AWW fuck,I was the 666th post.That's not good :(

  • Rambaldi #605 5 years ago

    667 Neighbour of the beast ;)

  • Dr.Mott #606 5 years ago

    Wow. Biggest thread since the PS3 delay.

    I'm just wondering krudster, not that anyone'll answer now with the freakishly huge thread of trolls and fanboys, are the graphics as good as the trailer? I couldn't really tell from those screenshots.

  • Rambaldi #607 5 years ago

    The man from Krudster: he say yes

  • pappathor #608 5 years ago

    This is getting ridiculous... People posting other peoples opinions about a game to convince us that this one reviewers opinion is wrong!? That makes absolutely no sense at all...

    I could say a lot of things about opinions, reviews and so on but it seems like plenty of sensible and intelligent people before me has tried to explain the absurdity of the desperate outcry from concerned readers that does not share the opinions of the reviewer, but it seems like it was all for nothing. After 500 posts it went from absurd to totally batshit crazy...

    I haven’t played the game yet, I imagine I will eventually, and I get the feeling I will like it. I kinda like third person shooters with chainsaws… I really hope the game will blow me away, give me that “next gen” kick in the face and make really gaming fun again… I really would like this to be a milestone action game, well deserving the 10/10 reviews I’ve been reading so far. But maybe, just maybe, it will fall short and end up forgotten in bargain bins at GAME in a year just like Perfect dark zero and Kameo… And we all remember the controversy surrounding those reviews… Thats when we will really know if it was 10/10, or possibly a mighty fine 8/10 game.... And that will never change the fact that this reviewer had his opinion that possibly was diffrent from everybody elses...

    (I kinda went nostalgic and browsed through the kameo reviews and the comments, those were great times… Try it out, boys and girls… :-) )

    And concerning the “next gen” gameplay, I sort of expect it after paying the “next gen” price….

  • tiddles #609 5 years ago

    I liked this one:

    Nope. But I'm DAMN sure EG took the bung for Sensible Soccer and (if I can find the review) Driver 3

    Eurog4mer Driv3r review

  • Les #610 5 years ago

    "Les: I'm doing an excercise here, just archived some comments of yours, then you'll read them again when PS3 comes out (eventually)."

    Not really sure what the PS3 has to do with this. Also a next gen console so had Gears been released for it, it would have sucked just as much as a next gen title IMO.

    I don't care that lots of people like it. I expect more from a next gen game, but there's about 5 million 360 owners for which even less was already enough, so who am I?

    While Nintendo have made lots of mistakes in the past, I think with Wii they're on to something. PS3 and 360 next gen games are all about big budgets and easy sells aka graphics upgrades. I sincerely hope with Wii Nintendo can bring us back to the essence of games: gameplay.

    I'm not really convinced with their launch lineup and am still hugely disappointed by the Gamecube fiasco so I'll not rush out to buy one at launch no matter how cheap it is. But if it delivers, it's probably the only next gen console I'll get (until Final Fantasy comes out, I'll not be able to restrain myself, even if it's bad and/or just more of the same).
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 19:16

  • tiddles #611 5 years ago

    It's evidently not enough to say that the game is good, or that you quite enjoyed it - the Xbots are furious that you're not saying it's "the best"...

  • Rambaldi #612 5 years ago

    Bloody hell Les, you don't like 360 or PS3 and you're not convinced that the Wii's got a strong portfolio! So, er, what do you like?

    /thinks of old man at garden gate swearing it was better in his day

  • Rambaldi #613 5 years ago

    @tiddles

    Get over it man. I'm not going to get all bent out of shape because of one score. The game looks good. I'll buy and I'll enjoy then I'll get bored and move on. End of. No big deal. Chill winston. Smoke a fat one. Ad infinitum.

  • Les #614 5 years ago

    "So, er, what do you like?"

    Currently my DS (although I'm mostly playing GBA games on it). I just really start to get fed up with all the "next gen" bullshit. The only thing next gen is the hardware, nothing more. Like you point to PC games, every three months there's a next gen there and the only thing that's evolved in PC gaming over the last 10-15 years or so are the graphics.

    Writers about games should rename "next gen" to what it has become: "better graphics". To me it seems this was less an issue with moving from hardware generation to hardware generation in the past, but apparently the new polygon pushing monsters require so much resources for just creating the graphical assets that doing something inventive with actual gameplay mechanics is too much to ask for. Now that they finally have more processing power (or at least way more than in the current gen) developers waste it all on graphics again instead of trying to create proper AI. I guess AI is just too difficult for them and it's not an easy sell. Things like downloadable games like Live Arcade, might be the saviors of people interested in pure gameplay and provide an easy access platform for truly creative developers without a big budget. But they hardly justify a new console generation. t would have been just as possible on the original Xbox, the one in which each and every unit sold had a HDD.

    edit: shame Firefox 2.0 doesn't come with a grammar and word-use analyzer...
    Edited by 3 at 08/11/06 @ 19:45

  • miiiguel #615 5 years ago

    My two cents on these "Expectations" and next-gen that Les crave:
    I like sex the way I do it, I wont start doing it "differently" for the sake of innovation.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 19:51

  • MasterGrief #616 5 years ago

    When someone brings sex into the discussion about a videogame you know Microsoft fanboys have reached a new low

  • EmiliasHorse #617 5 years ago

    Just started a night shift and it's still rolling along.

    I cannot help but think Krudster knew awarding an 8 would create this sort of frenzy. I am not saying he did it for that reason but EG are famous for posting news items that are only there to start fanboy fights.

    We will all have to wait for the Euro release before anyone can say he was right or wrong. But I do trust him as a reviewer.

  • miiiguel #618 5 years ago

    MasterGrief: I am not a MS fanboy, I even refuse to have a windows machine in my house, but that's because I think SuSE deos everything I want and cheaper. That's also why I play with a 360, but I can play with a PS3 if it proves to deserve my money, I do not blindly follow a brand. What I was trying to say is that I like the games as they are, as long as they are well made.
    But I understand many guys nowdays that don't play at all they just read news, buy magazines and stuff..., that's cool, one of my closest friends does this and he doesn't even notice.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 20:10

  • morriss #619 5 years ago

    "All the people complaining the review score is too low should stop whining, because it's actually way too high. This game was a flagship for next gen gaming and all it f'cking delivers is very nice graphics (from a technical POV) with same-old gameplay. The real question is "could this game have been created on the Xbox" and the answer is a big fat YES. Apart from the graphics, this game adds nothing new and to me that is pathetic (though you could hardly expect more from Epic)."

    You played it Les?

  • miiiguel #620 5 years ago

    what are you talking about?!!! Les did a paper on Gears of War...

    ...so he must have played it...er... right ?
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 20:18

  • morriss #621 5 years ago

    He talks about the inner workings of the game like knows it back to front. I wonder if he's in the industry as they are the only ones with the game afaik.

    Or is it just another case of Les making assumptions based on his own prejudices? Which is exactly what he berates others for doing.

    I'll leave it up to you to decide.

    :)
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 20:18

  • BartonFink #622 5 years ago

    This one still rockin and rolling with the usual trollin?
    Ah yes all present and accounted for, poor effort Les.

  • Scimarad #623 5 years ago

    Almost 700 posts??? Don't you people have any games to play?

  • Abs #624 5 years ago

    After reading the review, this is still a must have game for me - November is going to be an expensive lineup with the amount of quality coming out on the 360.

  • Les #625 5 years ago

    "Or is it just another case of Les making assumptions based on his own prejudices? Which is exactly what he berates others for doing."

    I'm making assumptions based on the reviews (yeah, plural) I read. Would be very costly and time consuming to actually play, watch, read or listen to everything not worth playing, watching, reading or listening to. So my opinions on most games are based on other's experiences, as there are more games that I don't own than do have in my collection.

    Never said Gears of War was a bad game, because it isn't. It's just a good "better graphics" game and if that is good enough for you, who am I to judge you? Just voicing my opinion that this type of next gen is not good enough for me to warrant the purchase of a new console and the associated pricier games and couldn't care less if anyone values it or agrees with it TBH.

  • enzima #626 5 years ago

    since we all know that opinions are like the hole of the ass cause everybody has one, why dont we stop talking about the 8 and start talking about the game?
    i still havent played it, i only saw videos on youtube - and i gotta say it was awesome! somebody can please tell me if it runs smooth? is it really too easy on casual level? and about campaign replayability? let me know something, im dying here....

  • enzima #627 5 years ago

    so les, if this new consoles are not for you, why the fuck do you read the reviews????????????????? and why do post???????????????????
    i bet my ass you are drooling over the pictures just like the rest of us.....

  • Intera #628 5 years ago

    Typical Eurogamer Crap, nuff said.

  • Rambaldi #629 5 years ago

    @Les

    You pretty much only play on a handheld and yet you're sitting high and mighty when it comes to what's wrong and right with my 360?

    That's like some dude with a fiat panda having a go at me for having a twin exhaust on my straight six 200bhp 328i because 'it's all about the journey maaan!'

    Wrong ball park baby. Get back to your stylus and tiny screen you hethen.

  • JediMasterMalik #630 5 years ago

    If there was ever a review which didn't correspond to its score, it was the 1up GoW review, go read it. It's sad really.
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 20:40

  • enzima #631 5 years ago

    and kudos to Rambaldi. Im lighting one now man, im with you!

  • Super_Zee #632 5 years ago

    Right, that's it. It got 8 which means it's a great game.

    Enough now. Please.

  • smelly #633 5 years ago

    Ive just read this entire thread.

    And a little part of me has died.

    I can truely say now that i'm embarrased to be a gamer. Some of you guys obsessing over a number, rather than the words which give the reason for the number.. REALLY need to get a life.

  • GitSomE_UK #634 5 years ago

    Gears Of War will be much better on the PS3.

    So neh!

    /Shows tongue, runs away

    /Come on 700 posts

  • morriss #635 5 years ago

    Never said Gears of War was a bad game, because it isn't. It's just a good "better graphics" game and if that is good enough for you, who am I to judge you? Just voicing my opinion that this type of next gen is not good enough for me to warrant the purchase of a new console and the associated pricier games and couldn't care less if anyone values it or agrees with it TBH.

    It's 'just' a better graphics game that's got full marks across the board apart from on here. But that's not good enough for you, all of a sudden every site that likes it aer run by 'American Idiots' (although the leading Danish publication gave it 10/10). So Les, you're talking rubbish, mate.

    Almost every siteloves the game. EG really, really, liked it too. You don't want to like it. Fine. Stop stating your opinion as though it were fact. Infact your opinion isn't worth anything whatsoever until you've actually played the damn thing. Stop wasting everyone's (including your own) time with your incessant ramblings about the XBox, next-gen gaming etc. and actually go and play some next-gen games for yourslef. Then maybe your opinions will broaden somewhat.

    Just an idea...

    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 21:24

  • captain_cupcake #636 5 years ago

    Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.

  • Rambaldi #637 5 years ago

    ?

  • gerald #638 5 years ago

    Stop now, hear me!
    Ample measure
    Of your treasure
    We have gotten!
    Ah, I see it, dear me, dear me.
    Master's word I have forgotten!

  • Rambaldi #639 5 years ago

    ?

    /looks at spliff curiously, one eyebrow raised

  • ChromeMud #640 5 years ago

    Them embers are dieing down a bit.
    Anyone know what the fu## we were talking about?
    Pass me the spliff someone!

  • Rambaldi #641 5 years ago

    /obliges in a quick "take it off me before things get any wierder" manner

  • Les #642 5 years ago

    "so les, if this new consoles are not for you, why the fuck do you read the reviews????????????????? and why do post???????????????????
    i bet my ass you are drooling over the pictures just like the rest of us....."

    What a stupid comment. How on earth can I form an opinion about something if I don't investigate the matter?! Reading reviews are the cheapest and least annoying means to this end.

    I drool over cool art style, not lost of pixels. IMO FF IX looked way better than X.

    "Wrong ball park baby. Get back to your stylus and tiny screen you hethen."

    GBA games don't make use of the stylus... I'm not judging you for liking your 360. I'm saying I (as in me, not you) don't think any of the "better graphics" games is worth buying a new console for, let alone pay more for the game itself.

    "Stop stating your opinion as though it were fact."

    Well my opinion is a fact, whether you like it or not. So is yours. If there were at this time games to play that seemed a better investment of my time than posting here, you can be sure I'd do it. But as my attention span is shorter than that of a gold fish, I currently have had enough of FF IV for the next week or so. Same with KH2. I play my games in short, intense burst and in between do all kind of other useless stuff. I simply need variety. Within a day or two, might even be less, I couldn't care less about posting and won't show up here for a while, to the relieve of many. But you can bet I'll be back when/if I feel like it. And maybe I've come to new insight and have formed a completely opposite opinion. Who knows what I feel like then? And who would care?

  • Rambaldi #643 5 years ago

    /passes Les the bong and passes out..of the thread :)
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 21:29

  • morriss #644 5 years ago

    I would.

  • Ace_McCloud #645 5 years ago

    How the fuck did this get so many posts!?! You'd think sony had just announced the PS3 had been delayed or something...

    Seriously though, how come so much opinion on this matter? It got 8/10, not amazing but certainly a good score. Surely this can't really have angered either set of fan boys.....cant be fucked to read all the posts...

  • captainrentboy #646 5 years ago

    Les what does next gen HAVE to bring with it,bar sexy graphics,better AI,and better game engines(Y'know destructable environments,physics etc) for it to be classed as worthwhile by you then.I'm quite intrigued.
    I'm guessing most folk just assume Next Gen means that new format will bring with it a better quality of each of the above.

  • PS3lol #647 5 years ago

    If Eurogamer doesn't change the score to a 9/10 before next week I'm going to buy a PS3 and never buy any games for it.

    Sony will lose money biatches.

  • gerald #648 5 years ago

    No, no longer
    Can I please him,
    I will seize him!
    That is spiteful!
    My misgivings grow the stronger.
    What a mien, his eyes how frightful!

  • ChromeMud #649 5 years ago

    I love you Rambaldi...and Les...and even JediMasterMalik.....
    I love all you guys........
    Les ......what did you do with that Bong...I'm sure you had it last
    you git!

    /Passes out grinning mumbling one last word "Chainseerrrr........"
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 21:58

  • JediMasterMalik #650 5 years ago

    What do you mean "and even"?

    /grumbles

  • Steroyd #651 5 years ago

    I woulda have read the review
    but then a got high
    I saw an 8 and thought WTF!?!
    but then i got high
    Now this outrage has spawned into 700 replies and i know why
    Hey, HEEEEY
    Because i got high
    Because i got high
    Because i got hiiigh
    Bada ba ba ba ba

  • ChromeMud #652 5 years ago

    I'm hungry!
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 22:51

  • Rambaldi #653 5 years ago

    /wakes up

    There's always one bugger on speed in't there! ^^

    /slumps (not before hugging ChromeMud in a manly space marine fashion)

  • Rambaldi #654 5 years ago

    /dreams happily about the wonder that is Chrome Mud having to edit 'I'm hungry'

    :)
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 22:54

  • ChromeMud #655 5 years ago

    @ Rambaldi
    I may be tired,hungry and in need of a manly space marine cuddle
    but I never,never,ever take speed after a head full of skunk....
    not on my shift!

  • captainrentboy #656 5 years ago

    Ohhh the adverts for G.O.W have started on television,you all seen it?It's a pretty poop one actually,and shows zero game footage,I hope MS plan on using that 'mad world' one at some point before release.

  • Calgon #657 5 years ago

    Ok looks like I missed alot of this huh?... 700 posts, so it does work then! ;)

    I dont know what to say, 8 Kristian?(bit stingey aye mate?): 10 hours is not out of the norm... riddick anyone?, not enough innovation?(EG's rulebook states: only Sony can innovate with last years news... eg. Controllers & Network) Cant argue with it untill Ive played it though(if it plays nothing like halo then I will never let you live that down, it looks to have its own feel to it from what Ive seen). Most of the critisims were things that EG have ignored for other games, on what appears to be the bases that if the game is damn good fun(ie some of the best fun you will have all year) then the score should reflect that(perhaps the hype did spoil it for you though, is that why you are so soft on sleeper hits?).

    Anyway its already looking like Epic has delivered big time despite this one off average looking score(not like EG are the most respected anymore, if they ever were), perhaps I will find the score is fair(when I get around to buying a 360... my will is strong and my bank balance is... not good! but I really cant wait to get my hands on one much longer) but my first paragraph makes alot of sense too(plus they dont like to upset the Sony crowd at all do they?), we will see, like someone else said the resistance review should be interesting(Im watching you EG!).
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/06 @ 23:24

  • foamy #658 5 years ago

    Wut? Only 685 posts? You people suck.

  • Hughes. #659 5 years ago

    arf, front page says 721, you must have nearly as many people on ignore as I do. Don't worry though, Calgon is here now, and like washing machines, over-long acrimonious threads that got dull ages ago live longer with Calgon.

  • smelly #660 5 years ago

    Its just occured to me.

    Have any of you who are slagging off score actually PLAYED it yet? It's only JUST been released in the states, have you PLAYED it THROUGH enough to say the score is wrong ALREADY????

  • BartonFink #661 5 years ago

    Yup some people are just daft smelly.

  • krenzler #662 5 years ago

    Thanks for a well-written review Kristan.

  • AOFanboi #663 5 years ago

    Why are you "dictatorship of averages" losers still here? EG are not going to adjust their score to match the 9 "average" you worship. Are you going to pester the 10/10 sites to adjust their score down as well?

    Or are you going to grow two fricking brain cells among you and actually ACCEPT that tastes and reviews vary?

    I read some heavy metal magazines, and for "major" releases they generally let all the staff reviewers set individual scores. Since tastes differ, people who prefer power metal are going to give a low score to extreme black metal, for instance. And you know what? The world does not end just because they end up all over the scale.

    I bet your twisted little brains just assploded at the thought of the variance...

  • ChromeMud #664 5 years ago

    Listen to this....
    I've just been to a game store and saw a stupidly long Q of
    people trying to purchase GoW.
    I shouted "Can I have your attention ladies and gentlemen...
    Gears only got an 8/10 in Eurogamer!"
    After the dust settled and I could see the counter devoid of
    punters I proceeded to purchase my copy of GoW.
    Who said good things comes to those who wait?

  • Hughes. #665 5 years ago

    Some people are probably expecting this thread to reach 1000, I think it's only worth 800.

  • JediMasterMalik #666 5 years ago

    Nah, the so to be coming Resistance review is gonna rile up even more people. ;)

    Anyone wanna bet it's out tomoz? :p

  • Hughes. #667 5 years ago

    "Despite some incredibly fun weapons and an interesting new take on the tired format of WWII era shooters, Resistance: Fall of Man falls down somewhat in having a small robot sidekick and focussing too much on collecting nuts and bolts for upgrades. The giant fairys tapping you with magic wands to mark checkpoints really tears you out of the intense wartorn atmosphere of the game. And the final battle with Ripto strips of all the weapons and ammo you've been collecting and sees you transformed into a small purple dragon with an annoying voice.

    In spite of these failings, we're fucking sick of XBots still bitching about that Halo score and crashing every Sony news story for a FUD-frenzy, so just to piss them off we're going to award this game 11/8, 8 being the new maximum score, backdated to everything after Gears, which is still marked out 10."

    Now THAT would be a comments thread worth reading*


    *ignoring

  • Steroyd #668 5 years ago

    I would love to see the comments section on that :D.

    Seeing how people only care about the score R:FOM got another high score in a different Japaneese magazine Denkaitsu I think.

    /prepares popcorn for R:FOM review.

  • BartonFink #669 5 years ago

    Nah, the so to be coming Resistance review is gonna rile up even more people. ;)

    Anyone wanna bet it's out tomoz? :p
    I am going to go with a 9/10 possibly even a 10/10 based solely on the preview. And you know what if it's as good as people are saying it is it deserves it. Getting great reviews in Japan and they, for the most part, don't like FPSs.

    It will be mayhem!!!! The fanboys will assplode regardles.

  • quantumsheep #670 5 years ago

    I actually agree with Les.

    No need to hate me for it though. Is there?

  • Psychotext #671 5 years ago

    If you want to see what Resistance will get, simply watch the Eurogamer TV episode that came out today... guy was falling over himself to kiss some developer ass! =)

  • BartonFink #672 5 years ago

    Haven't watched it yet but I must presume you are talking about Shinji?

    Anybody remember teh real next gen article from last year.

    One strange thing is kinda creeping up on me though maybe just maybe the PS3 is a really good machine with some really good games. Is that so hard to believe?

    From anything I have read about Resistance it is a really good game.
    I would personally have to mark it down purely based on the controller though.
    Edited by 1 at 09/11/06 @ 02:19

  • 3william56 #673 5 years ago

    How ****ing many posts? Over a max 1 point difference in scores despite a positive review?

    What the hell has happened to gaming and game players that they can get so wound up over something so completely trivial? It's the interweb, man, it messes with your brain and turns you psycho. Ban this sick filth now.

  • Rambaldi #674 5 years ago

    Morning all!

  • JetSetWilly #675 5 years ago

    My, my, this has been a busy thread since I last looked. What on earth has there been to talk about for 700+ posts? Whether Mark Rein and CliffyB are the new Posh n Becks?
    Edited by 1 at 09/11/06 @ 08:23

  • captainrentboy #676 5 years ago

    Resistance will get either a 9 or 10 from EG for one of two reasons,either
    a)It's actually a really good game,a lot of fun to play with a great online mode and so deserves that high score,or
    b)It's really only worth an 8,but hey,EG giving it just that one mark higher means it's better than the 360's latest killer app,and this will set their site alight just like this 'controversial' score has,going on to give them 1000's more hits as we all post our angry objections.

  • gunthervald #677 5 years ago

    on the main page it says 739 comments, yet i can only read 704..

    EUROGAMER fix your website, your customers are losing out on precious, insightful comments

  • Hughes. #678 5 years ago

    How many people do you have on ignore, gunther? The front page post count doesn't account for that.

  • gamesb*tch #679 5 years ago

    Is GoW really kill.switch with chainsaws?? Is it?? We need to know?

  • BartonFink #680 5 years ago

    How many people do you have on ignore, gunther? The front page post count doesn't account for that.
    Nothing to do with that afaik it counts deleted posts in the total for some silly reason.

  • magicpanda #681 5 years ago

    First!! (",)

  • Rambaldi #682 5 years ago

    It's nothing to do with ignore. I don't ignore anyone. It's to do with people who've been 'silenced' by EG for bad behaviour.

  • anti-bias #683 5 years ago

    God Damn it People!
    How much evidence do you need that this site, while trying to maintain the image of being totally console impartial, is actually at it's core full to the brim with sony fanboys!
    The "Real Next Gen" fiasco was all the proof any sane person would need of EG's Sony bias (what normal sane videogame journalist can't tell a pre-rendered bullshot movie from a realtime one, or at least question that a movie is pre-rendered), and this score just proves beyond any doubt that EG are sony's bitches.
    Once again a well hyped Microsoft product is scored way lower than almost every other site in the business, for pathetic reasons such as "I don't feel comfortable with the charachter design" or "it's too short" (same length or longer than Shadow of the Colossus, which got a 10).
    These sites reviews are a joke, the scoring is about as consistent as a blind man at a shooting range, and the sony bias is there for all to see!
    For shame Eurogamer!!!!
    (well at least your daily hit rate must be going up, thats all that matters right??)
    Edited by 1 at 09/11/06 @ 09:49

  • Hughes. #684 5 years ago

    Intriguing, because my lower total seems to be out by 10-ish compared to gunthervald's, 745 on the front page and 693 in here.
    Edited by 1 at 09/11/06 @ 09:50

  • gamesb*tch #685 5 years ago

    "well hyped Microsoft product is scored way lower"

    Yeah, it should get like 12/10 for sure!!! :p

  • samk #686 5 years ago

    Les: "Like you point to PC games, every three months there's a next gen there and the only thing that's evolved in PC gaming over the last 10-15 years or so are the graphics."

    Christ, what a moron.

  • Morten_Skovgaard #687 5 years ago

    I completed the game last week, being part of the games media myself and therefore also having early access. I didn't bother to read through all 750 (are you guys crazy?) posts here, but after reading all the reviews published on the Internet, I can safely say that Eurogamer's the best one - in the sense that they don't indiscriminately dish out top scores and they seem very able to cut through all the hype, keep a level head and see what's behind it all: A very good and entertaining shooter, but with flaws and much less revolutionary stuff than Epic seems to think - and, not least, let their fans think. And do keep in mind that 8/10 is a very high score, especially for EG.

    Judging from general sentiment, this entry will probably see me ripped to shreds by the forum Locust horde. Let me point out that I am not affiliated with Eurogamer and therefore have no particular interest in the site (apart from it being one of the places worth spending your time for Internet game reviews, and I think that the reviewer deserves credit for not jumping on the hype train and riding along).

    Oh, and have fun with the game. Make no mistake: It deserves to be bought and played, no doubt. :)

  • Ed_209uk #688 5 years ago

    Did Eurogamer just want their own slice of pie?

    Linky

    Since the review is just one person's opinion (the same person who IMHO wrote a really stupid first comment) it'd be interesting to hear a second opinion from EG towers.

    Is the 8 a score you'd all stand by??

  • Foundry #689 5 years ago

    I've give this thread 8/10.

  • Azazel #690 5 years ago

    Aaaah, and slowly it begins to slide off the main page...

  • enzima #691 5 years ago

    COME ON GUYS, DONT LET THE THREAD DIE NOW!!!!!!!
    FUCK THE 8! REVOLUCIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN...........

  • Ed_209uk #692 5 years ago

    Ok, stupid is perhaps the wrong word but to me it illustrates how contentious and, as is clear after 700+ posts, significant a score 8 is and Kristan knew this before he uploaded the review. I'm convinced that the score was given, in part, to create the kind of debate (if that's what you can call it) that we're seeing now.

    Do I believe it's worth more than an 8? How can anyone know that until they've played it through? Does the 8 stand out as slightly strange considering 95% of other reviews rate the game 9 and above? Yes, IMO it does. Why couldn't EG have waited until the MP side of the game could be properly tested before posting the review? Again, I'd love to hear a second opinion in a few days time when they've had chance to play a bit online.

    Ultimately, as we're always being reminded, it's just a game but it's clear that comment threads like this prove how much it matters to a lot of people including fan boys on both sides of the fence as well as those who had no intention of picking up the game in the first place. This is MSs big title, the game they placed against the PS3 release, so of course the final score matters!

  • Martin #693 5 years ago

    Bring on Forza 2 - there's *proper* next gen for you!

  • johnboy_johsnon #694 5 years ago

    This is just plain depressing. Out of the school yard and onto the forums. If you think Eurogamer are bias towards Sony (they may well be - sure seemed that way after the E3 05 coverage) then stop logging on to their site.

    As far as I'm concerned the best reviews come from GamesTM. Look forward to hearing what they have to say.

  • Xerx3s #695 5 years ago

    What do you mean "and even"?

    /grumbles

    /bums face

    Man love! \0/

  • Garulon #696 5 years ago

    [link url= http://intendo.wordpress.com/2006/11/08/jeers-of-war
    ]http://in tendo.wordpress.com/2006/11/08/...[/link]

    Yes!

    Dipshit Nintendo fanbois are linking to this review as "proof" that immersive games with amazing graphics and sound are rubbish, and the future of gaming is standing in your living room pretending to clean the sink or chop fruit. Hurrah!

  • jack_klugman #697 5 years ago

    Dipshit Nintendo fanbois are linking to this review as "proof" that immersive games with amazing graphics and sound are rubbish, and the future of gaming is standing in your living room pretending to clean the sink or chop fruit.

    I tend to find cleaning my sink and cutting fruit to be infinitely more immersive than despatching alien baddies with a chainsaw to the face. Might just be me.

  • OhWiseOne #698 5 years ago

    OK, stats so far:

    Play Magazine 12/1/2006 10 out of 10 100.0%
    UnderGroundOnline 11/8/2006 A+ 100.0%
    Games Radar 11/7/2006 10 out of 10 100.0%
    PopCultureShock 11/7/2006 A+ 100.0%
    GameSpy 11/7/2006 5 out of 5 100.0%
    1UP 11/6/2006 10 out of 10 100.0%
    GameBrink 11/7/2006 97 out of 100 97.0%
    GameSpot 11/7/2006 9.6 out of 10 96.0%
    TeamXBOX 11/7/2006 9.6 out of 10 96.0%
    Xbox 360 Advanced 11/7/2006 9.6 out of 10 96.0%
    Game Informer 12/1/2006 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
    GamePro 11/7/2006 4.75 out of 5 95.0%
    IGN 11/7/2006 9.4 out of 10 94.0%
    GameTrailers 11/7/2006 9.1 out of 10 91.0%
    Official Xbox Magazine UK 12/1/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    TotalVideoGames 11/8/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    GameDaily 11/8/2006 4.5 out of 5 90.0%
    Daily Game 11/7/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    Yahoo! Games 11/7/2006 4.5 out of 5 90.0%
    Computer & Video Games UK 11/7/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    360 Gamer Magazine UK 12/1/2006 8 out of 10 80.0%
    Eurogamer 11/7/2006 8 out of 10 80.0%

    And sad little Eurogamer at the bottom, sooooo trying to be controversial.

    You see it works like this. EG love this and this is why they do it, their review score gets so much attention, and so much traffic, as people want to know why the best reviewed game of the year gets a low score, then all the idiots on the forum spend half their lives talking about it, then half of the SCEE staff come on here to slag off the 360, as they are shitting themselves about the 360, because they know they are f'ked, and they have nothing to do until the idiots at SCEJ tell them to jump. [Low] Scores can always be justified, for this, that, controls, whatever, and EG thrive on that, they thing they are EDGE, but they are just monkey boys to the Ad men.

    God I love this industry, so predictable, but at the same time it always manages to surprise me.

    Unfortunately EG never surprise me with their reviews.

  • Garulon #699 5 years ago

    "I tend to find cleaning my sink and cutting fruit to be infinitely more immersive than despatching alien baddies with a chainsaw to the face. "

    Well if you send me Ł180, you can clean my sink and chop some fruit in my kitchen. I'll even play jolly music while you do it and shout something Japlish like "Scrub ON!" if you like.

    I'll be in the living room curbstomping locusts.
    Edited by 1 at 09/11/06 @ 15:32

  • Azazel #700 5 years ago

    I'm with you t3hw1ze0ne1111!omgbbq! Ban this dissenting filth!

  • FooAtari #701 5 years ago

    OhWiseOne - You could have picked a more suitable name really...

    What happened to DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, and its 1 MARK LESS, you would think EG gave the game -8/10. 8 is a damn good score.

    But I guess most people want everyone to be the same, and not show a bit of individualism...

    People have different tastes you tool.

  • haowan #702 5 years ago

    If they wanted to be controversial they would have given it a bad mark, like a 3 or a 4. They gave it an 8, which is good. That's right, good.

  • magicpanda #703 5 years ago

    Could have saved yourself a fair bit of typing there manic and just called him a prick. Which is what everyone else is thinking.

  • Tonka #704 5 years ago

    anti-bias said: How much evidence do you need that this site, while trying to maintain the image of being totally console impartial, is actually at it's core full to the brim with sony fanboys!

    /Lowers camera to get a nice frog eyes view of anti-bias.
    /Que the mighty orchestra
    /Pans the camera to get the flag smattering in the background

    OK anti-bias now close your fist on your chest.
    That tear in your eye is brilliant.

    anti-bias: These sites reviews are a joke, the scoring is about as consistent as a blind man at a shooting range, and the sony bias is there for all to see!
    For shame Eurogamer!!!!

    That's a wrap people. Better than the "Independance Day" presidental speech.

  • Helios #705 5 years ago

    This thread is summarised as:

    A million people saying 'it's just one marks difference, jeez'

    And about 10 saying 'OMG EG Sux'

  • JSD124 #706 5 years ago

    I was listening to the GFW podcast the other day and they were talking about using the whole 1-10 scale instead of the more known 7-9 scale most games seem to be in (7 being average and 9 being brilliant). Using the whole scale, an 8 out of 10 means this game is brilliant. Using the 7-9 scale I suspect most readers were expecting, this game is just above average.

    I suppose what I want to know is, how did you use the scale for this game krudster? Were you you trying not to be tied down by the 7-9 scale that surrounds the biggest games these days, or were you trying to spark controversy? Perhaps a little bit of both, eh?
    Edited by 1 at 09/11/06 @ 18:15

  • haowan #707 5 years ago

    @Helios

    Don't forget 1 in 3 posts saying "OMG So many posts get a life lol".

  • Psychotext #708 5 years ago

    /pokes thread

  • OhWiseOne #709 5 years ago

    ManicMinerUK

    Your arguement is simply not true, but look at the games that actually got a 9 from EG - SC:DA proves my point. I have that too, and it's OK, but no way is it even in the same league as Gears. I have Gears, got it today, so I am better placed to say what score it deserves. Some of their comments are true, but, it is a visual masterpiece, with some of the best MP I have played in years...

    Oh and by the way, Sony are sh*tting it. That's why they are bleeding staff like crazy, rats, sinking ship etc. And so they should be, the box is way too expensive. In Southern Europe it's a month's wages for most people, they have no decent exclusives, 1st party can't deliver and the thing is the size of a skip. And the final nail in the coffin is Blu-ray, if they had have gone with DVD, they would be Ł100 cheaper, and would have been out a while back, and they would probably have killed 360 dead. But they chose to try to shoe-horn in a technology nobody needs or wants. Downloads will kill physical media in about 2 years, exactly when PS3 will be the price that peopole will actually pay.

    Don't get me started on the disaster that is PSP, the other supposedly killer ap. It's being spanked so hard by DS (the technologically inferior machine, but far cheaper, with decent content). Oooh that also had a Movie format that nobody cared about, how funny :o)

    Hmmmm, maybe, oh right, the reason that you know Sony are not shitting it is because you work at SCEE right? Lovely offices, very stylish.

    Nice try. Get your CV ready, back to Aardvark Swift for you me lad.

  • The-Bodybuilder #710 5 years ago

    Everybody wins.

    They naysayers still get to naysay (thanks to this).
    MS gets thier sales,
    Epic gets thier money,
    The GOW fans still get to play thier game...and enjoy it,
    EG gets some extra traffic for the advertisers (not that I'm saying it was thier intention).

    Everybody wins.

  • magicpanda #711 5 years ago

    Dont upset the pooves

  • MrAtheist #712 5 years ago

    I was listening to the GFW podcast the other day and they were talking about using the whole 1-10 scale instead of the more known 7-9 scale most games seem to be in (7 being average and 9 being brilliant). Using the whole scale, an 8 out of 10 means this game is brilliant. Using the 7-9 scale I suspect most readers were expecting, this game is just above average.

    I suppose what I want to know is, how did you use the scale for this game krudster? Were you you trying not to be tied down by the 7-9 scale that surrounds the biggest games these days, or were you trying to spark controversy? Perhaps a little bit of both, eh?

    Eurogamer might be a little harsher than some of the other big sites, but like 99% of magazines/websites (for the past 20+ years for mags) around they subscribe to the 6-9 scale. Large majority of scores fall in this range. Overall average is probably near to 7.

  • Vin #713 5 years ago

    Man, this is almost as bad as the GAF GAIDEN C- fiasco.

    Arf.

  • PS3lol #714 5 years ago

    If 8/10 is so great from Eurogamer then why did the piece of shit Fifa 07 get 8/10?, why did the average Splinter cell DA get 9/10?. Stop saying a 8/10 from Eurogamer is great when it's not.

    And why have they removed there kiss ass EA article that they posted to back up there shit GeOW review?.

  • Fairlane #715 5 years ago

    Last ?

  • darkmistx #716 5 years ago

    Nope.

  • Nobuo #717 5 years ago

    /Clicks "Last page of comments"

    /Reads "Be the first to write a comment!"

    /Laughs

  • linksdad #718 5 years ago

    It would be rude not to add my own two penneth, but someone has probably allready covered that original and highly humorous opinion, so I wont bother.

  • kangarootoo #719 5 years ago

    @Ed_209uk and OhWiseOne

    Rather than trying to be controversial (and you seriously see giving a game 8/10 as controversy?! I hate to think what happens to you both if someone pops a balloon), perhaps Kristan just gave the game the score he felt is deserved based on his experience of it, and then (mistakenly I guess) trusted the EG majority readership to act like adult human beings instead of a pack of idiot lemmings.

    @MMUK

    "What you are actually illustrating is the totally fallacy of gamerankings.com, which assumes that a 9/10 from IGN is worth the same as a 9/10 from a.n.other gaming site"

    Absolutely, completely and utterley spot on.

    But hey, keep posting the same shite with a different hat on everyone. Paranoia and straight out madness are the new black this season.

  • MyPointIs #720 5 years ago

    I still have to see an interesting +gameplay+ video. So in my twisted little head, Gears of War is a 6/10. I'll admit it, I'm a gameplay whore.

    Edited 999999 times. Most recently by MyPointIs at 14:40 on 07/11/2006

  • PS3lol #721 5 years ago

    HE HASN'T PLAYED THE FUCKING MULTIPLAYER, PEOPLE ARE RIGHTLY PISSED THAT ALL THEY'VE GOT IS HALF A REVIEW WITH THE LOWEST DAMN SCORE ON THE INTERNET.

    YET YOU STILL SAY WHAT A GREAT REVIEW IT IS, FUCK OFF. IF THEY PUT OUT A 8/10 FOR RFOM WITH NO MULTIPLAYER IMPRESSIONS THEN QUOTED BILL GATES AS SAYING THE GAME IS SHIT WOULD YOU BE AS FAR UP EURO GAMERS ASS ON THAT ONE?.

  • Psychotext #722 5 years ago

    [link url=http://www.x boxyde.com/news_3778_en.html
    ]http://www.x boxyde.com/news_3778_en.html
    [/link]

    For you "MyPointIs" (though I doubt you'll ever see it!).

  • Steroyd #723 5 years ago

    uh oh IGN gave Resistance a 9.1

    There's going to be alot of pooh poohing flung around when Resistance gets reviewed at EG.

  • MyPointIs #724 5 years ago

    Thanks Phsyco!

    I've actually played it a bit now. Gameplay isn't terribly innovative, but it's very tight and perfectly executed. And graphic detail is a noticeable step forward from other games.

  • Calgon #725 5 years ago

    Why are people talking about Resistance anyway?... its not even in the same league from what I can see, its annoying that its even being compared to Epic who are long established Successful FPS devs(just because its on a Sony console?... they finally get to play a half decent FPS exclusive? seems like thats what its about to me, Xbox gamer's standards are naturally higher because of the wealth of titles released on the consoles already, from some of the biggest FPS devs to boot). Im glad Im not the only one who suspects EGs review of Resistance will be waaaay too generous, to me it looks way too boring to look at(like your average WW2 game but BROWNER... so brown) and the gameplay vids looked even worse, so very uninspiring.

    Im trying to be fair here(I did like EG once upon a time), I was hoping theyd snap out of it and proove me wrong. If its still looking the same as it is now come next summer, its looking like I shall have to remove EG from my favourites and relegate them to second opinion material(make that 3rd). Only on EG can the most hidious looking console look good to the staff once a Sony label(is it that spiderman font you like?) is stuck on there, the most boring games with meh inducing visuals seem new, exciting and "real-next-gen .tm". Whether EG admitt it or not Sony have lost alot of ground this round, it seems like they are on the back foot alot these days and all EG seem to beable to do is "theres nothing to see here move along... did we mention that all of us here at the EG office are REALY excited about the PS3? Its gonna be the best so you should be too!... btw: Sony says to tell you "please dont buy a 360... stop buying them now because we never said next gen has started yet... bitches!".
    Edited by 1 at 11/11/06 @ 21:54

  • Stratus #726 5 years ago

    What I can't understand is why there is NO mention of the "active reload" system that requires the player to time his reload button pressing much like the swing meter in a golf title. I must say it is quite intense to be hiding behind a crumbling concrete shelf with grenades and gunfire all around and trying to time your reloads correctly to increase your damage modifier. The exact opposite occurs if you screw it up and your character reacts visibly and requires more time to reload.

    Innovative? Well I've never played that before.

  • Natas #727 5 years ago

    I like the flow of your rant calgon; super.

  • Calgon #728 5 years ago

    Natas: Was that sarcasm?, if so then... Yes I have realised that I have gotten to a point where I take alot of this way to seriously, some things just irritate me about the industry that I love(or loved) these days. I cant be the only one a little bit suspect(perhaps a bit miffed too) of EGs take so far on next gen.

  • GitSomE_UK #729 5 years ago

    LAST \0/ Woohoo

  • Carrybagma #730 5 years ago

    I'll have a good laugh if Red Steel gets an 8 too.


    Actually, no I won't.

  • jamesbee #731 5 years ago

    10/10 from the German site. Did anyone mention that?

  • OhWiseOne #732 5 years ago

    Official Xbox Magazine 12/25/2006 10 out of 10 100.0%
    Play Magazine 12/1/2006 10 out of 10 100.0%
    Games are Fun 11/13/2006 10 out of 10 100.0%
    G4 11/9/2006 5 out of 5 100.0%
    UnderGroundOnline 11/8/2006 A+ 100.0%
    Games Radar 11/7/2006 10 out of 10 100.0%
    PopCultureShock 11/7/2006 A+ 100.0%
    GameSpy 11/7/2006 5 out of 5 100.0%
    1UP 11/6/2006 10 out of 10 100.0%
    Voodoo Extreme 11/11/2006 9.8 out of 10 98.0%
    Amped IGO 11/14/2006 9.7 out of 10 97.0%
    Console Game World 11/12/2006 97 out of 100 97.0%
    Wham Gaming 11/12/2006 9.7 out of 10 97.0%
    GameBrink 11/7/2006 97 out of 100 97.0%
    Gamerz-Edge 11/14/2006 9.6 out of 10 96.0%
    Cheat Code Central 11/11/2006 4.8 out of 5 96.0%
    Gaming Horizon 11/9/2006 9.6 out of 10 96.0%
    AtomicGamer 11/9/2006 96 out of 100 96.0%
    Xbox 360 Advanced 11/7/2006 9.6 out of 10 96.0%
    GameSpot 11/7/2006 9.6 out of 10 96.0%
    TeamXBOX 11/7/2006 9.6 out of 10 96.0%
    Game Informer 12/1/2006 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
    ActionTrip 11/13/2006 95 out of 100 95.0%
    GameZone 11/10/2006 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
    Deeko 11/10/2006 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
    GamePro 11/7/2006 4.75 out of 5 95.0%
    IGN 11/7/2006 9.4 out of 10 94.0%
    Gamer Within 11/10/2006 9.3 out of 10 93.0%
    GameTrailers 11/7/2006 9.1 out of 10 91.0%
    Official Xbox Magazine UK 12/1/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    Game Revolution 11/14/2006 A- 90.0%
    MS Xbox World 11/12/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    Gaming Age 11/9/2006 A- 90.0%
    GameDaily 11/8/2006 4.5 out of 5 90.0%
    TotalVideoGames 11/8/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    Daily Game 11/7/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    Yahoo! Games 11/7/2006 4.5 out of 5 90.0%
    Computer & Video Games UK 11/7/2006 9 out of 10 90.0%
    360 Gamer Magazine UK 12/1/2006 8 out of 10 80.0%
    Eurogamer 11/7/2006 8 out of 10 80.0%

    Eurogamer = WRONG!

  • JackB #733 5 years ago

    OhWiseOne, you're trying to use facts and logic to make a point. We don't do that around here. :-)

  • JayPee #734 5 years ago

    List of other review scores != facts and logic.

    Played this game solidly the last 2 nights - it is fucking excellent.

  • Rambaldi #735 5 years ago

    Got GOW yesterday and as a die-hard shooter fan I can say...

    ..that the 8 is about right. Perhaps even generous. It looks amazing, granted, but popping in and out of cover wears a bit thin after a while. It feels almost like a shooting gallery at the fair rather than an absorbing firefight. Enemy AI is a joke compared to FEAR and Halo and yes, all the macho marine stuff wears a bit thin after a while. The controls feel a bit off too: using the green buttin for dashing to cover is a good idea but often you stick to the wrong damn surface: just pushing in the right direction would've been nice insead of the 'auto-cover' that's implememted. I've also had trouble connecting to online games, but I've not tried it yet today. Hopefuly a few more Brits online will resolve that issue. Looking forward to a bit of co-op though.

    My personal rank order of recent shooters (offline): FEAR, COD3, GOW. I'm guessing, based on the demo, that R63 will squeeze in between FEAR and COD3.

    Either way, 4 cool new shooters can't be bad! Way to go 360:)

  • captain-future #736 5 years ago

    I like the controls and I like the "duck and gun" gameplay...

    ..and...

    I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE THE RENAISSANCE OF CO-OP GAMEPLAY.

    (sorry but it's good to say it loud)

  • captain-future #737 5 years ago

    @krudster
    Simple fact is, I enjoyed SCDA more than this, if that counts for anything.

    Funny, for me it was just the other way around - SCDA was the single most boring experience in a long time (sloppy AI, consistently crashing my X360 every 45 to 60 minutes or so and remarkable un-fun and un-creative gameplay) - and I'm a stealh fan and like the first 2 games a lot (didn't finish the 3rd one).
    I'll have to read that review a little closer I guess.

    Also, I wonder about DOOM 3 which got a 9/10? Hmmmm, ok, I'm not a FPS-fan, but more than shiny graphics it didn't have, or?

    Personally I don't like the hype around games (for example I absolutely see not why Halo is such an exceptional game... but ok, FPS is just not my thing). Gears of War gets a 10/10 from me. It was just like in the arcade playing those silly funny SEGA machines where you "duck and gun" with the lightguns, pure enjoyment. short and sweet.

    Update: aaaaah-ha! (from the Doom 3 review)
    It may not feel like it's taking gaming forward to any appreciable degree in terms of astounding new ideas, but when it's as all round immersive and entertaining, who cares? Right, who cares?
    Edited by 1 at 17/11/06 @ 18:12

  • Hassata #738 5 years ago

    Eurogamer has re-affirmed its irrelevance to me with this latest review. Oblivion and Total War are extolled, and whilst obviously technically awesome, are not amongst my favorite. I buy, try and then shelve. Gears of War, by EG’s own admission, takes a given format and executes it to perfection. Surely, that by itself is worth a 9. For me, it is bar none the best “shooter” I have played in any format. Good writing and nice packaging aside, I no longer base my buying decisions on EG reviews.

  • Papalaz1 #739 5 years ago

    Having played it I think 8 is generous

  • freakybun #740 5 years ago

    Hey everyone, lets all score games with percentages and fractions.

    That IGN review, 9.4! I mean, come on its worth at least 9.45 or 9.5, hang on it MUST score a 9.524356. Grrrr.

    Seriously though, I'm about half way through right now. The graphics are undeniably great, but its a shame the frame rate suffers now and again, particually in some cut scenes. Something i've not seen mentioned many places.

    As for the game, anyone remember Operation Wolf ?

  • MaxiSleep #741 5 years ago

    Quite simply the best single player shooter I have played. Deserving of a 9. But Eurogamer do need to show their journalistic "cred" by bucking trends. Sigh.

  • bushwod #742 5 years ago

    Great game, shame the character design is all "Big Boys in Boots".

  • spaceman #743 5 years ago

    oh my. no AdamOfEternia? he must of killed himself after seeing the score, i bet it was all he was living for... poor guy.

  • symmetry #744 5 years ago

    Having now finished this 3 times and played a fair amount online, I can safely say this game deserved an 8.9

    :)

  • MORZTAN #745 5 years ago

    Crushed this game in mere 8 hours with my cousin this weekend. Way too short, but without a doubt THE most beautiful game ever created. It is simply jawdropping.

    However, worth buying a 360 for... Hell NO!!

  • Katsumoto #746 5 years ago

    SHIT! No comments since January!

    I finally got an xbox 360! Finished this in two sittings, stupidly short. Very simple fun all the way, however. I kinda got a Serious Sam vibe from it. I'd completely agree with 8/10. I don't understand how anyone can think its revolutionary and 10/10 worthy, tbh. For a game to be 10/10 it has to do more than be a good blast.

  • smurphs #747 5 years ago

    I'm loving this at the moment (God, I'm behind the times). Played in single-player intensively I completely understand the 8/10, but played cooperatively in savoured infrequent sessions (with a nice bottle of wine?!) on hardcore elevates this game to a 9.5/10.

    If anyone actually reads this, hello, my fellow behind-the-timer.

  • Verwandlung #748 4 years ago

    Hello, I'm going back to the future now..