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Quake Live Hands On

PC Hands On by Jim Rossignol

16 September, 2009

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Quake III - the multiplayer FPS that was arguably Id Software's greatest achievement after Doom - has been reborn. It's been reincarnated as Quake Live, an online shooter from your web-browser. The game has been in a public testing phase for a while, and currently still bares its "beta" moniker. Nevertheless Id inform us that the resurrected Arena is fully launched and primed for action.

The advertising-supported project is entirely free to play, and embeds in your browser of choice (on Linux and Mac too) with a simple plug-in. More improvements are apparently planned for future iterations of what has been referred to as a "service", but it's not entirely clear what they are.

It's certainly an intriguing challenge: take an existing, ageing title and rebuild it for the net generation. It's both modern - being launched inside your browser and having a fairly sophisticated ranking and server selection system - and incredibly nostalgic, harking backing to an era when bunny hops were in and your twitch skills were dependent on whether there was any broadband around for you to use. For a returning Quaker of old, like me, it's a mixed experience.

For one thing I was never a great duellist. In those one-on-one games in a small arena - which are something like Kung Fu rocketry with power-ups - I tried ever so hard to hog the red armour, but the process was always slightly beyond me. It remains so. Leaping into a duel has led me to lose, every time, with perhaps one or two lucky frags next to my ticker.

'Quake Live' Screenshot 1

Of course that never put me off in the past, and it wouldn't this time. Where I excelled in olden-day Quake III was in the team games: getting the timing right for the quad-damage in team deathmatching, knowing the route that particular flag-carrier would take out of Q3WCP9 in capture the flag. I was ferociously accurate with the railgun and rocket launcher, and - after prolonged bouts of flag defence - I would often enter that twitchy reptilian zone of not actually having a conscious register of my action. There's something special about that.

When I began playing Quake Live I was initially concerned about my own status as a deathmatch player. I'm older now, and weaker. Years of slower, more sensible games had, I assumed, enormously reduced my twitch. Worse, the (rather clever) automated tutorial made me think that my pinpoint reticule-plonking skills - earned the hard way in the early part of this decade - had decayed to a hopeless degree.

It was only when I was out on the floor of live matches, strafe jumping away, that my rhythm returned and my accuracy bubbled back up to 2002 levels. When I realised I could compete on the higher difficulty levels (Quake Live allows admins to suggest skill levels for servers) I found myself grinning like a fool. Still got it eh, Rossignol? Something like that...

'Quake Live' Screenshot 2

It's a testament to how finely-tuned Quake III was that once you're into Quake Live's game it barely wavers a pixel from the original format, although it's been smartened up a great deal in terms of presentation and UI. (Because, well blimey, didn't Quake III just have a bastard ugly menu?)

All this means is there are some minor differences with the way settings are made available, and the game content is, of course, largely limited to Id's own Quake releases, with a few third party maps included for good measure. There's also a comprehensive achievements set for you to earn, because, well, that's what the kids seem to want these days.

The physics for movement and weapon use, those ever-so precise settings which made Quake III the apex of the fast-paced deathmatch genre, are intact and undisturbed. It still has the kind of pace and arcade-FPS feel that put so many people off, and that very interface seems slightly incongruous in these slower times of cover-systems and regenerating shields.

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Zeali
16/09/09 @ 07:36
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Then there was the force-enemy model command, which was a must in the past, and doesn't seem possible now (I am hoping to be corrected)

Here it comes. It's POSSIBLE

cg_forceEnemyModel keel/bright
cg_forceTeamModel crash/red
cg_forcemodel 1

You can also set enemies to appear black when they die with.
cg_deadBodyDarken 1
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16/09/09 @ 07:50
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HUD modifications are possible as well. I'm not sure of the commands myself, but do a search on Google and I'm sure you'll find configs from people that want to show you their customized HUD.
Also, AFAIK server admins can't put up a skill level for their own server. The skill level is automatically determined based on the skill levels of the players that are present on the server and thus changes from time to time as players enter and leave.

The article disappoints me a bit to be honest. Yeah it's great that you relive your glory days of Quake 3 again, but tell the lovely readers about the match making system, friends system, the achievement system, the stats, what content is in there (while mentioning the nailgun and proximity launcher, you failed to mention that the whole Team Arena expansion pack is in there), what game modes there are, etc, etc. All the stuff that makes Quake Live a new thing rather than just Quake III Arena all over again isn't discussed in the article. If you dig just slightly deeper than simply playing a bunch of Quake Live matches, then there's a lot more interesting stuff to talk about. It's especially unforgiving that you didn't because this game has been publicly playable for months now.
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JahB
16/09/09 @ 07:54
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why is there a hands on for this only now? i've been playing this for months.and yes, it's every bit as awesome as you remember Q3A.

god how i miss skill/twitch based shooters these days... not that i don't like the current shooters, but whatever happened to deathmatch? now it's team deathmatch everywhere, and FFA seems to have been forgotten
dr_faulk
16/09/09 @ 08:12
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Cripes, I signed up for the beta months ago and forgot to follow up! Woops! =/
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16/09/09 @ 08:12
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Article seems to miss some details indeep. It is still highly customisable through console commands for the hardcore. And it contains more then the Quake3 levels and even those have all been tweaked (geometry fixes, weapon balance, ...).
Shinetop
16/09/09 @ 08:13
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I never really got the whole "It's Quake as a browser game!" No, it isn't. It's a game where you go to a website, click a button, have the game installed on your machine, and then play it without a browser. Exactly like every game you can download.
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16/09/09 @ 08:25
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Popularity I guess, JahB.

Even at its peak Q3 was hardly a huge community, whereas at around the same time I remember watching CS1.5 HLTV broadcasted pro matches (SK, eoL etc) with 30,000 people just watching.

And the fact that there's so few devs that understand how to make a deathmatch game (two?)
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16/09/09 @ 08:25
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I too have been playing this for a good few months now, and I was extremely gratified to find how easily I slipped back into the old ways. I share my lunchtime play with a workmate ten years my junior, weaned on Resistance and COD, and his first comment was something along the lines of "Bloody hell, this is FAST!" I don't think he racked up a kill for the first few games, and when he did he lost the points by falling off things. Bloody kids, eh?

If nothing else, Q3 reminded me that I've not really enjoyed an FPS since, no matter how deep I found Bioshock, no matter how engrossed I was in HL2's story. MOH and COD, even Crisis and Crysis, I just find them fiddly. Until you can get shmups in arcades again, this'll do.

I'm now going to dig out my Amigas, and challenge The Office Youth to Stunt Car Racer.
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Rens11
16/09/09 @ 08:27
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Quake Live is brilliant! now just need to get a decent mouse for my laptop :(
Nick [staff]
16/09/09 @ 08:30
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Not as good as Quake 2 ...
dr_faulk
16/09/09 @ 08:31
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@ JahB @butler

Free for all doesn't work in the context of Allies vs. Axis, or any game that has a distinct 'Us vs. Them' single player mode that beats the player's perception of the game into team combat. FFA on CoD4 is plain weird.

But, yes, FFA demands real skill, and I'm glad Quake Live is about. University College Dublin's public computer labs were my victory grounds!
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16/09/09 @ 08:35
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Also probably would be worth mentioned that the ad-supported model for this has failed, and they'll likely be bringing in subscription options soon.

Quake III is so cheap that's it's almost free anyway, and this whole "Quake in a browser" (even though it's clearly not in a browser) was just a way a of trying to market a rather casual-unfriendly game to the casuals. I'm not really surprised it hasn't been much of a success.
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16/09/09 @ 08:38
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"It's a game where you go to a website, click a button, have the game installed on your machine, and then play it without a browser"

Thats what I thought as well.

During the tutorial you actually get 200 megs of .pk3 files installed somewhere.

I thought Q Live would use some clever technology to stream the data so you can play it anywhere. Instead you basically get the original game except the launcher in a browser instead of on your computer. That was a bit dissapointing.

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16/09/09 @ 08:57
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What Nick said times a gabazillion. Q3A is rubbish! :P
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16/09/09 @ 09:00
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I was in both the BF Heroes beta and the one for Quake Live. I really wanted BF Heroes to come out, but when I tried it I came to the conclusion that I did not like it. Quake Live on the other hand is still very fun. I rarely play it but I would play it any day over Heroes.

I think DICE would've done better just converting 1942 into a browser game sort of like id has done here.
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16/09/09 @ 09:04
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@butler & drfaulk

i think it has more to with the fact that a team based game always has 50% winners, so everybody gets to win a game. in FFA, realistically speaking, you have 10% of players that will win games (as in finishing at number 1), and 90% losers.

i see the logic there, but still, would it be so hard to include an FFA mode nonetheless? technically it's certainly feasable
Chufty
16/09/09 @ 10:54
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It does quite clearly say Hands On.

Quake Live is great, I'm surprised it's taken this long for this article as it did go live months ago.

Great fun, but now we just need Unreal Tournament Live...
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16/09/09 @ 10:55
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Battlefield Heroes doesn't even come close.
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16/09/09 @ 11:14
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Have been absolutely addicted to this for the last few weeks - bought a brand spanking new gaming PC and end up playing a ten year old game all the time! Typical!

After a couple of years of Halo and COD4 mp it is ferociously fast and lean, and strangely hypnotic - I couldn't tell you a single memorable thing about the 7000 frags or so I've notched up, you just end up in this weird adrenalin-fuelled zone, probably the nearest gaming comes to a pure sport.

I played a fuck-ton of Q3A back upon release, but these days of broadband and 60ms ping times almost make it a different game, and certain weapons like the Railgun and lightning gun have taken on a new life. It's also pleasant to end a game with a simple type of "gg" instead of the drooling offensive inanities that infest Xbox Live :)

@Skillian have you got a link to any coverage/announcement re: the F2P model failing? It would be a shame, but unsurprising - it really is a hardcore game and even with the Skill matching a lot of people will get their arses handed to them on a plate of BFGness until they learn the maps, weapons etc - I certainly did and I've played it before! Can see a lot of casual gamers thinking "bugger this" ...

And Battlefield Heroes is steaming shite, it really is :)
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16/09/09 @ 11:21
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People dissing the game because it's not "play in your browser" as they expected it would be should really think again. The whole launch from browser thing is not quite the novelty here.
Shinetop
16/09/09 @ 11:29
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So what is the novelty? As far as I can tell, the novelty is that I have to start it from a browser instead of from a shortcut on my desktop.
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16/09/09 @ 12:16
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@Simonkey75

"During his QuakeCon keynote address, Carmack explained to the crowd that in-game advertising was not enough to support the web-based title." The in-game advertising stuff has not been big business," he admitted. "That's not going to be able to carry the project."

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/59...

edit: That doesn't mean it'll no longer be free to play though. As far as I can tell they are going to offer a subscription model for those who want to run their own private servers, but your average player will still be able to jump on a server and play without paying.

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Azazel
16/09/09 @ 12:31
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"Not as good as Quake 2"

Many lots of laughs.

My head says that Quake 3 is obviously the most balanced DM game that ID ever produced. Though my heart still belongs to Quakeworld.
chessboxer
16/09/09 @ 12:42
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I wish Epic would do this with UT99. Back in the day Quake was ok but UT99 was all kinds of awesome.
JahB
16/09/09 @ 12:48
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My head says that Quake 3 is obviously the most balanced DM game that ID ever produced.

My head says that Quake 3 is obviously the most balanced DM game ever produced.

Fixed. Also, i like your screen name. Fallen was a great movie.
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16/09/09 @ 12:56
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Strangely, I'm enjoying Q3 a lot more now then I did back in the day (I was a UT fanboi through and through)

I guess it's because there is nothing much like it anymore (whilst UT with it's original game modes and excellent bots has been done to death). Also the graphics, despite being old, are so shiny and quick it feels like the gaming equivalent of a sugar high.
Simonkey75
16/09/09 @ 13:56
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@Skillian

Cheers for the link mate. That's a weight off my mind - I like the game, not sure I would pay a subscription for it in this day and age though ...
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16/09/09 @ 14:12
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I was in the latter stages of the closed beta and I've been playing this since then pretty much.

The game works really well, everything that you want to modify is modifiable, most of the config commands remain intact and there are many new additions that have polished the game even more.

Right now QL has two main drawbacks, the community/players and the amount of maps.

Firstly the community, there are lots of casual players and I don't mind this, the tier system does a relatively good job at matching players against similarly skilled opponents, although it's not perfect it is better than nothing. The real problem with the community arises when it comes to how players deal with losing.

Quake has always been a completely ruthless game, you are punished severely for any mistake or weakness and since it's so well balanced the difference between killing your opponent and gaining an advantage or being outgunned and dying is very small. Because of this, a great deal of the games are plagued with players who find it all too easy to quit halfway through. You play a CTF game and your team makes one capture and you'll usually see one of your opponents disappear immediately as he's decided his team has no chance. This kind of behaviour gets old very quickly and it does lessen the enjoyment dramatically at times, you end up having to spend more and more time trying to find a suitable server that you can play on for more than 30 minutes in one session.

Of course, the stats are partly to blame for this, even though I think they are a good addition, far too many players pay too much attention to them.

The other improvement I'd like to see is more quality maps. I know they are working on it and we will get more maps (the recent six maps in six weeks thing was excellent) but the sooner we get more quality maps the better.

I suggest the author checks out the QL Forum for Yakumo's QL Guide as that will detail a lot of modifications, commands and other settings you might want to use.

Quake Live will never be massively popular because it's a difficult and ruthless skill based game and these days the majority of gamers do not want a game like that. It's a shame that this is the way things have gone, but I don't see it changing as long as most of the industry is driven by money alone.

If they can discourage the mass quitting, add more quality maps and arrange a wide variety of competitions/leagues, I think QL could certainly become the first game really accepted as a 'sport'. It has all of the right ingredients to make it, the fact that it's free and available worldwide opens it up to everyone, it's about nothing else other than how good you are.

One final note, if you're a relatively skilled player looking for a proper game of CTF (or CA/TDM) then you should check out some of the pickup channels on IRC. The quality of these games is a fair bit higher than most public matches and the teams are usually more balanced so the game is a whole lot more intense.
Gurgeh
16/09/09 @ 14:45
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"Quake III - the multiplayer FPS that was arguably Id Software's greatest achievement after Doom - has been reborn"

I think plenty of people would argue Quake / Quakeworld was a far greater achievement. The first true 3d game engine, the first FPS that actually worked over the internet with networking code that went on to form the basis for Counterstrike, online ranking, 32 and 64 player servers, the birth of machinima, and so on. Plus it was a *lot* faster than Q3A, if far less balanced.
notmyrealname
16/09/09 @ 15:02
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utk2k3 life where are you?

*edit* played beta. Moderately fun, lagfree and easy matchmaking. Still there are way better games out there such as the criminally underlooked Quake wars.

*edit 2* and yes to the poster above me: quake 1 is ID's best technical achievement by far.
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Ace_McCloud
16/09/09 @ 15:11
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Quake 2. Good times. I got a graphics card to play that. And my mate got ISDN the lucky bastard. Crazy, crazy times... and the beginning of an addiction that would cost my mum and dad a lot of money in phone bills.
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16/09/09 @ 15:27
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I echo Mr. Rossignol's plea for more community modding! GIVE US ROCKET ARENA DAMNIT! :) RA3 is probably my most-played game ever, it was the only way I could play at a decent ping back in the day, as I was on a horrible dial-up connection and anything more than 4 players on a map gave me gargantuan lag.

I see QL as an opportunity to get into the team side of things, which I only ever got to do occasionally in cybercafes at the time of release. So, if anyone has a casual clan that I could join please drop me a line! :)

Re: subscription model: Carmack mentioned that the subscription wouldn't take away any game modes or weapons or anything like that, it would just integrate more matchmaking features that pro-gaming clans would find helpful, like private servers and whatnot. I think it was at that CD Aktion interview that they posted on RPS, so Jim really should've known about it :p
And tbh, I'd probably subscribe just to help them out, this is the only game of its kind with a decent-swized community, I'd pay to keep it alive!
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16/09/09 @ 16:18
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Glad EG finally got onto this. Quake Live does indeed face competition from the likes of BF Heroes, so what's been the delay?I'd certainly rather play this than BFH, I hate teams. Not sure I agree about everything, though. Like others have said, more exploration of what the game is in total and less rehashing of glory days would be best.

Though I preferred it to UT, I never liked QIII all that much, because of the weapons; Rossignol claiming that the railgun and RL are the only significant weapons is surely less of a testament to how good they were and more of a testament to how bad the others were. To have a minimalist, stripped-back form of DM like Q3 offers is after all only one way to do DM. It's perfectly possible to make widely varied yet completely balanced weapons if you try - look at the Action mods for QII, HL and now HL2 for great examples of that. I never really understood why there was no DM mode for CS.

Maybe I'm just annoyed by the misspelling of 'reticle', when 'crosshair' is what the author really means, since he's not looking down an optical sight (then again, if he's using a forced enemy model so he can tell the footsteps apart, which seems like a minor form of cheating to me, maybe he is. You never know what cunning plans these Quake addicts will think up). But never mind.
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16/09/09 @ 16:48
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Ace_McCloud: Pretty much same here, we had two phone lines so we could have a 128 kbps ISDN connection. Sat and played Quake 2 day and night. Fondest memory is the CTF mode with the grappling hooks. I could play that forever.
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16/09/09 @ 17:45
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You and me Jim. Season 3 of the BWCTFL. 9 caps we conceded all season.

Still awesome.

:D
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16/09/09 @ 18:23
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'Though I preferred it to UT, I never liked QIII all that much, because of the weapons; Rossignol claiming that the railgun and RL are the only significant weapons is surely less of a testament to how good they were and more of a testament to how bad the others were. To have a minimalist, stripped-back form of DM like Q3 offers is after all only one way to do DM. It's perfectly possible to make widely varied yet completely balanced weapons if you try - look at the Action mods for QII, HL and now HL2 for great examples of that. I never really understood why there was no DM mode for CS.
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Rocket Arena demonstrated that all weapons had their place - you'd flick between them all during a good 1 v 1. Horses for courses in the end though, I prefer a smaller, purer set of weapons. Usually games that have tonnes of weapons bore me - there's usually a setup that's dominant to all the others and you waste time finding it.

UT was fun, it was good for a casual kick about. I personally found it seriously lacking when it came to hardcore 1 v 1s. Lucky we had both of 'em eh?
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16/09/09 @ 21:22
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Quake II was better. Much better.
chiz
17/09/09 @ 02:40
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Hands on? eh? Review?
chiz
17/09/09 @ 02:42
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quakeworld live please
Ace_McCloud
17/09/09 @ 08:43
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@Skurmedel: I remember that mod. Brings back memories of spending several hours downloading the latest map pack!

I never really got into CTF. FFA, Rocket arena, and then finally the Action Quake mod, which was totally awesome and no one I've ever met seems to have played it.
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17/09/09 @ 10:10
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Is there an EG clan then?
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17/09/09 @ 16:08
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I doubt Epic would ever do something like QL. After all, their motto has always been "gameplay = eye candy" and they don't really get what makes gaming fun. Playing games like Gears of War is more or less like watching a poorly animated action movie. Quake 1 through 3 is all about gaming. Opinions may vary on which of the games is the best, but Quake 3 is undoubtedly the most popular one at the moment and the biggest esports success. Quake 2 has aged horribly, Quake 1 is faster but more limited because of the incredibly overpowered shaft and rl.

The only thing really holding QL back is the fact that you can't play promode or rocket arena.
manveruppd
17/09/09 @ 17:15
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Actually, maybe selling mods like Promode or RA could be a potential monetization scheme - the basic game is free, but the mod makers can sell their mods through it and id gets a cut. I'd pay £5-10 for RA4!
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19/09/09 @ 06:08
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Hmmm how about cheaking this out instead http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/darkest-...
peak_performance
19/09/09 @ 09:04
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Disagree about the weapons tho: Q3 has a great selection of basic weapons where every one of them has their uses. Plasma is great in cqc and narrow corridors, LG is almost too good at midrange (and it's been nerfed), grenades find their use in duels for blocking paths, etc... I love the weapons in the game.

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