PS3 delayed in Europe

By Ellie Gibson Published 6 September, 2006

It won't be here till March.

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe has announced that the release date for PlayStation 3 in PAL territories has been pushed back until March 2007.

In an official statement, Sony said the decision to revise the launch date was taken following "the delay in the mass production schedule of the blue laser diode within the Sony Group, thus affecting the timely procurement of key components to be utilised in PlayStation 3."

Gamers in Europe, Russia, the Middle East, Africa and Australasia will now have to wait until March to get their hands on a PS3. However, the console is still on track to launch in Japan on November 11 and in North America on November 17. Sony still plans to ship 6 million PS3 units globally before the end of the 2007 fiscal year.

Blue laser diodes are a key component of the PS3's Blu-Ray drive. Rumours of a shortage began to emerge just days ago, with reports suggesting that Sony had suspended shipment of the diodes to customers making standalone Blu-Ray players - but it would seem that wasn't enough to ensure there would be enough consoles to go round in November.

Sony's plans for a global launch in November were first announced by Ken Kutaragi back in March. The announcement came as a surprise to many industry observers who had predicted a staggered release schedule and a 2007 launch date for Europe - but at E3, SCEA president Kaz Hirai confirmed November release dates for all three territories.

News of the delay will no doubt please executives at Microsoft, which managed to pull off a global launch of the Xbox 360 last year. There were problems with hardware shortages but last month, Microsoft Europe boss Chris Lewis pledged that there will be no shortfall this Christmas - and with only the Nintendo Wii to compete against, MS could be set to clean up.

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  • Dirtbox #1 6 years ago

    HAHA!

    Byebye Sony.

    ***STORY UPDATE***

    Source

    In the U.S., about 400,000 PlayStation 3 machines will be available when they go on sale Nov. 17. About 100,000 will be available on the Nov. 11 Japan launch date.

    So they're internationally fucked. The 360 release had that number available on launch and we all remember how nasty that turned out! Wiki

    BBC item with GI.biz's Ellie
    Edited by 4 at 06/09/06 @ 15:14

  • regmund #2 6 years ago

    it did seem kind of unlikely, let's be honest

  • Gori #3 6 years ago

    Again... Meh!

  • DDevil #4 6 years ago

    I knew it! I knew it! Even last year I was saying we wouldn't see the PS3 over here until 2007.

    I was hoping I was wrong though...

  • sharpfish #5 6 years ago

    The Wii is going to clean up this xmas now, and the 360 is going to be a nice Proxy-Euro-PS3.

    Seriously, Sony are just taking the piss now aren't they? No-one could be THIS bad?

    Wii60 combo for "teh win"
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 08:47

  • Furbs #6 6 years ago

    Anyone who posts below this has nits and fleas.

  • Dire #7 6 years ago

    HAHAHAAHAHAHA

    *scratch*

    wtf...
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 08:48

  • Zuiyo #8 6 years ago

    It did help them with the PSP launch, let's hope it will do the same for PS3. The big question is, how much of an advantage can Microsoft and Nintendo get in Europe.

  • T.G. #9 6 years ago

    /has nits and fleas

    /is also in mild shock

    /prays Ninty don't follow suit

  • lefizz #10 6 years ago

    Buying a 360 at launch just keeps seeming like a better and better decision on my part.
    Seriously how long can Sony treat Europe like a second class citizens?

    And giving MS two complete christmasses without opposition seems so foolish when people are already saying Sony are screwed.

    MS are going to less millions of units in Europe this christmas.

    I truely now believe that the PS3 will not do as well as Sony think.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 08:52

  • BartonFink #11 6 years ago

    LOL - poor Sony

    /scratches

  • Pirotic #12 6 years ago

    So it's no longer going to be the first blueray player in the european market, and it's giving the Wii360 the christmas sales!

    But lets be honest here, even if they didn't delay the launch - we all know they are going to have so few consoles available that they might as well have just delayed it and avoided consumer aggro. Hopefully the delay results in a cheaper RRP with more units available from day one - and best of all, some decent games! Last time I looked at the current PS3 launch line-up was pretty poor, with a lot of the best titles out around March 07.
    Edited by 2 at 06/09/06 @ 09:02

  • Machiavel #13 6 years ago

    We're second class citizens again, Hooray!

    /waits for Nintendo to announce "We never were serious about Europe, anyway.."

  • bionutz #14 6 years ago

    bye Sony!
    [Edit]: scratch scratch, damn should have read the all posts before.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 08:54

  • Der_tolle_Emil #15 6 years ago

    Not that I like Sony, but I honestly did not expect such a delay. I guess this will hurt the release even more - Christmas would have definetly helped them.

  • chupachups #16 6 years ago

    "The Wii is going to clean up this xmas now"

    It would if it had enough stock, but that's very unlikely as the Wii is only just launching too. The only new console you'll be able to easily get hold of this Xmas will be the Xbox 360.

  • Balסּr #17 6 years ago

    *grins*

    Ticks yet another checkbox.

    Told ya! ;)

  • Dirtbox #18 6 years ago

    This page is going to be a focking train wreck by 6.

    GETCHER HOTDOGS HEEYAAR!

  • InfiniteFury #19 6 years ago

    Good god, what an all-round disaster.

    Sony yet again talking the talk.

  • Balor #20 6 years ago

    Grr!

  • moggsy #21 6 years ago

    The signs were there as I've said in other articles on the subject.

  • Dezm0nd #22 6 years ago

    Nightmare situation for Sony europe, everyone might as well pre order from videogamesplus.ca if you want one this year.

    Nintendo wont follow suit, the Wii is a gamecube with more memory inside so the production will be easier than any machine before, i'd imagine. Bad news for Sony and the european industry. On the plus side, i wont be forking out £600 this christmas for something I didnt really want/need, also maybe the european market will actually have a good launch game in march.

  • Bojangle #23 6 years ago

    Oops, Sony cocked up, AGAIN.

  • DDevil #24 6 years ago

    Reading these comments is making me itch.

    /scratches.

  • Garulon #25 6 years ago

    Told ya! :)

    Playstation 3 is already dead in Europe.

    Given how well the DS is doing in Japan, I don't know if Japan wants the PS3 either, prolly the Wii.

    Good luck fighting for scraps in Microsoft's home territory, Sony!
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 09:00

  • chupachups #26 6 years ago

    "Isn't March 2007 the release date for Halo 3? This could be interesting."

    Flip... that's true. And you'll actually be able to buy Halo 3 and an Xbox 360, whereas the PS3 probably won't be available in huge numbers until the end of summer at the earliest.

  • JonFE #27 6 years ago

    Apparently history repeats itself...

  • chupachups #28 6 years ago

    "Apparently history repeats itself... "

    I hope not for Sony's sake, the PSP eventually got delayed by a year in Europe.

  • MadMirko #29 6 years ago

    Funny stuff. My face hurts from all that smirking and malevolent grinning.

    Time for some serious evil laughing to relax those muscles:

    Mwahahahahahahah! Bwahahahaha!

  • JohnnyWashnGo #30 6 years ago

    Goddamn you Sony, I preorder plenty of those machines to put on eBay and pay for my Christmas.

    So not only have you managed to piss off a sizeable portion of gamesplaying Europe, but you also ruined my Mums Christmas.

    Is nothing sacred to you guys?

    /sulks

  • Dire #31 6 years ago

    I'm sure one of the sony top dogs said that europe was the major battleground this time around.

    Well it sure looks like it!

  • Fairlane #32 6 years ago

    T´reated like a bitch again ! Why do I buy their products ? ohh well - I won't

  • Ainudil #33 6 years ago

    The Third Place - Europe.

  • bloodflowers #34 6 years ago

    Excellent - exactly what they deserved. +10 damage for treating Europe like scum again, +20 damage for failing to live up to boasts, +25 damage for not having a new product at Christmas, and +50 critical hit for fucking up their Blu-Ray world domination attempt.

    Be interesting to see what the US/JP stock shortages are like actually. Will the US get delayed too perhaps?

  • EmiliasHorse #35 6 years ago

    I am not suprised and I am sure Sony has the support from gamers who will wait.
    But why on earth should you wait? Go out now and buy a 360, you know you want to.

  • faselei #36 6 years ago

    How on earth you can be this useless?

    Well Europe is a deadzone for Sony after this one surelly...

    Lets just hope the Wii gets released on time and with enough stock.

  • Balסּr #37 6 years ago

    So which console are you going to be playing Assassin's Creed on first? :D

  • gamesb*tch #38 6 years ago

    I don't think it will make that much difference in the long term. The installed base for PS2 is so huge and the PS2's brand is so strongly associated with so many mass market and niche gaming titles that it will be hard to rock Sony's boat over the 3-5 year life cycle of the console.

    As far as I am concerned, Microsoft are still bleeding $$$s over XBox1 and Wii is more of a gadget than a serious next gen console (I will buy one though). The fact that they can get some out in NA and JPM means that the pressure of hype will just get greater and greater in EU before next Easter.

    And, for everyone going fyou Sony fyou, who would you rather have making consoles? Wonderswan??!! Never forget the N64's under-supported European presence when you champion Nintendo.

    OAO

  • Penguinzoot #39 6 years ago

    Thing is though, no matter how upset European gamers may be about this, Sony know they can do what they like and the European gamers will still lap it up. It'll still sell out when it eventually appears in European shores.

    /scratches
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 09:09

  • Pirotic #40 6 years ago

    The Wii is extremely easy to manufacture, they'll have no problem with a global launch at all. Most of the components are existing specification parts and so don't need to be custom made, only the GPU falls into that boat and they've been churning them out no problems.

  • DUFFMAN5 #41 6 years ago

    From all I read does anyone care that much. I still haven't upgraded to a 360 but I will do after xmas. I'm playing my psp and ds lite more than any home console at the moment anyway, how big is Mario 64 DS!!. I think I would only be buying the ps3 for MGS4, do I really need it that bad ?

    BTW how class does Assains Creed look, Thief 3 was and is great on xbox, so I can't wait for this game.

    OH YEAH

  • lefizz #42 6 years ago

    The more you think about this the stuiper it seems.

    MS will have then had a 16 month adavatage in europe, if Sony pull this off and still out sell the 360 in 5 year time what will Sony treat us like when the ps4 launches

  • bauhaus #43 6 years ago

    Cunts

  • Dezm0nd #44 6 years ago

    Sorry, i meant Wii is a gamecube with more memory inside and a revolutionary control method. If you've played one you'll know the graphics aren't alot better than the GC, it just has larger levels and prettier shader effects.

    PS3 will launch alongside Halo 3 if bungie stick to their guns, should be interesting

    "BUY A 360 WITH HALO 3 FOR £100 CHEAPER THAN A PS3 WITH NO GAMES"

  • alpha-0ne #45 6 years ago

    I dont think sony EVER intended to launch in nov in europe, it was just another bunch of lies like the spring 2006 lies... only a weel ago they did a press relaese saying still on track for 4 million by year end...

  • Hughes. #46 6 years ago

    They should have just said it had launched and told retailers to say they'd already sold out :¬D

    At least Europe won't be Beta testing it, I suspect a large failure rate in da PS3 zoen. Might be some games out by then as well.

    Top sellers this Christmas?

    1 DS
    2 PS2
    3 Wii

    (arf)

  • gamesb*tch #47 6 years ago

    Couldn't agree more Penguinzoot... sad but true... we aren't talking cars here. You can't just go... oh I need a new car but the new Saab isn't out til March I will buy a Land Rover instead. The 'mass market' will just buy them in their droves in March. Apart from sensible people who will wait until '08 when it's 199£ with two games ;)

  • Dirtbox #48 6 years ago

    Screw this.

    BRING ME THE FANBOIS!

  • EmiliasHorse #49 6 years ago

    @Gameb*tch
    Times change, Sony cannot afford to sit back and expect loyal fans to wait for Sony to gets it's act together. Sony do not treat Europe as a well as MS simple.

    Will Nintendo? Hope so.

  • gamesb*tch #50 6 years ago

    Oooo Assassins Creed, Assassins Creed... the bloody new Doom 3. Has anyone seen Assassin's Creed in game footage yet? :p

  • DrDamn #51 6 years ago

    Many of the PR cock-ups and mistakes Sony have made with the PS3, which have caused mass discussion and piss taking on here, have been quite frankly minor. This is so much in a different class of cock-up though. Can't believe it is 2 months before either. They are making the Phantom launch look professional.

  • smelly #52 6 years ago

    HAHAHAHA

    See, I've been telling everyone on here this for months, but everyone kept slagging me off and calling me a fanboy for not having proof!

    YAY ME!

    Maybe in future people will listen to me?

    Nah, wont happen.. lol

  • JetSetWilly #53 6 years ago

    The 'mass market' will just buy them in their droves in March. Apart from sensible people who will wait until '08 when it's 199£ with two games ;)

    I dunno about that. Sure, the enthusiasts will rush to it. But 360 will have had two Christmas seasons under its belt so if it now gains further momentum and Wii starts strongly it's going to be tough for Sony. They're not going to hit a mass-market price in year one.

  • JediMasterMalik #54 6 years ago

    WTF? What are they thinking, I don't care if they can only make half of what they said, they can still launch the fucking system. UUUURRRGGGGHHHH!!

  • DrDamn #55 6 years ago

    @bloodflowers
    "Excellent - exactly what they deserved. +10 damage for treating Europe like scum again, +20 damage for failing to live up to boasts, +25 damage for not having a new product at Christmas, and +50 critical hit for fucking up their Blu-Ray world domination attempt. "

    I can't believe you missed the opportunity for +massive damage. :-)

  • Ginger #56 6 years ago

    I know tons of people who are waiting for the PS3. They're the same people who won't buy the DS because - "it's for kids" and the PSP has "wikkid graphics innit" :(

  • gamesb*tch #57 6 years ago

    Emilia's Horse - 'loyal fans' what does that mean? I thought people were loyal fans of Xenosaga? Harvest Moon? FF titles? Not consoles??

    I am talking about the mass market... the drooling peasant underclass that has to buy three games every saturday, and one of them has to be a simpsons game even though they have it on gamecube already, and will slavishly buy a console just cos it's got sony on the front. I am talking about people who bought a HD ready TV for the world cup from Curry's cos it had 1000£ off and now find it isn't HD at all, and yet don't care.

    These people, and many sensible people in this forum, will, for no apparent reason, eat sh#t to get a PS3 in March - watch this space. Sony can do what it bloody well wants.

  • Moogrose #58 6 years ago

    it makes little sense, as they say - essentially - that they'll still deliver their original targets - but leave out europe? its weird... yes, we're still producing they same amount, just europe ain't gonna work out anymore... so were we ever gonna work out?

  • mono_eric3 #59 6 years ago

    "Europe, its time for your rectal exam. Today you will be seen to by Dr. Sony.... Open wide..."

  • smelly #60 6 years ago

    Sorry, i meant Wii is a gamecube with more memory inside and a revolutionary control method

    Oh do shut up until you have your facts right.

  • gamesb*tch #61 6 years ago

    Yeah, it's not revolutionary :p

  • mingster #62 6 years ago

    maybe they will release it at a reduced price in Europe now...

    Haha doubt it tho.

  • bauhaus #63 6 years ago

    I dont know whats worse, the delay or the smugness of the haters who retrospectivly predicted all of this?!?

    Still, i guess if it makes them feel better with there 360 purchase then thats ok innit

  • Skoptsie #64 6 years ago

    PWN3D!!!

  • Steroyd #65 6 years ago

    hmmmm.... i'm mixed, will have a better launch line-up in March, will have the money to buy the PS2 games i want this holiday without worrying about the PS3.

    Although it's questionable wether it was wise to go with MS's approach and launch with even lesser numbers which would be questionaly worse.

    Plus the PS3 is region free, so people can import it from the US of A at a cheaper price than buying them in Euro's this means lost revenue for Sony.

    doesn't mean i'm not pissed.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 09:18

  • sharpfish #66 6 years ago

    I posted further up, and now on my blog: http://sharpfish. realityfakers.com about it. Coming out in time for Halo3 is bad, treating PAL users like they don't matter (after already trying to make up for bad press) is bad, the lies after lies that Sony have told are bad (hardware cuts inc).

    And to top it off they have the most annoying fucka in the history of PR running things (Phil Harrison).

    I feel like Fox Mulder right now, I WANT to believe but all the evidence is pointing at Sony being a bit shit.
    Edited by 2 at 06/09/06 @ 09:23

  • Dirtie #67 6 years ago

    "News of the delay will no doubt please executives at Microsoft, which managed to pull off a global launch of the Xbox 360 last year."

    Are Aus/NZ not part of the globe? MS did the exact same thing to us that Sony are doing to you guys (and us) this time around.

  • gamesb*tch #68 6 years ago

    On the plus side for Sony it's not a 'bad' PS2 Xmas...

    Okami
    Mortal Kombat: Armageddon
    Bully (insert latin name here)
    Destroy All Humans 2
    The Sopranos
    Justice League Heroes
    Guitar Hero II
    Final Fantasy XII

    Not all my bag but enough to keep people in the 'Sony groove' dontcha think?

  • smelly #69 6 years ago

    smugness of the haters who retrospectivly predicted all of this?!?

    Im not a hater, but i am feeling quite smug to have predicted this.

    However - Why anyone would want to wait that much longer to pay an absolute bundle for a machine with inferior gfx to the 360 is beyond me.

    Then again, people waited to buy the ps2 when the graphically superior dreamcast was about for a year before hand.. So no accounting for stupidity.

  • EmiliasHorse #70 6 years ago

    Buying an import PS3 at launch. Good idea but can you really afford it?
    I wonder what Ebay prices will be.

  • Cryguy #71 6 years ago

    The incredible fall from grace continues......

  • Stormflood #72 6 years ago

    IMO this is the 1st real Sony f*** up with PS3 because this f*** up is at street level. Unfortunately for Sony, it's the worst kind of megaton f*** up of them all.

  • smelly #73 6 years ago

    Plus the PS3 is region free

    Says who? Do you know that for sure? Link?

  • DUFFMAN5 #74 6 years ago

    Steroyd: Deca or dbol xbox or ps3

  • Steroyd #75 6 years ago

    Hang a fucking minute!!!

    Sony still plans to ship 6 million PS3 units globally before the end of the 2007 fiscal year.

    o_O

  • smelly #76 6 years ago

    @Steroyd :

    Yeah, ship.. there will be a lot of shops with a hell of a lot of stock :-)

  • EmiliasHorse #77 6 years ago

    Maybe they could tie the release in with the Spiderman 3 movie launch.
    They share the same font after all.

  • bauhaus #78 6 years ago

    Anyone here put a phat deposit on one already?

  • Balסּr #79 6 years ago

    This is the first Sony fuck up!?

    Disregarding all the other fuck-ups, PR or none. How about the fact that the PS3 was supposed to launch in Spring 2006!

    The thing is over a year old before it's even sat on a European shelf but has a price that's from somewhere far off into the future.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 09:27

  • smelly #80 6 years ago

    Anyone here put a phat deposit on one already?

    LOL!

    Without even seeing any games running on it?

    You = dumbass.

  • alpha-0ne #81 6 years ago

    "Steroyd
    06-Sep-06 09:23:51 Hang a fucking minute!!!

    Sony still plans to ship 6 million PS3 units globally before the end of the 2007 fiscal year. "

    Its just more lies from sony..

  • bauhaus #82 6 years ago

    i aint put a deposit on one u smelly git


    Besides, I`m minted enough to purchase one and leave the fucker in thebox if i wish, unlike you tight arsed losers counting every penny
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 09:30

  • Steroyd #83 6 years ago

    @ smelly

    How the heck can they ship 6 million units globally when Europe's units are being shipped after 2007 fiscal year?

    And wasn't 6 million the number of units they were going to launch worldwide.

    I have a feeling there's something more to it than a shortage of diodes if Sony have enough to ship what was originally intended.

  • fizzer25 #84 6 years ago

    Wembley Stadium & Playstation 3 = Same Boy

  • SentientNr6 #85 6 years ago

    Humiliation!
    Both for Sony and europe.
    Thanks Sony for treating us like dirt.

  • smelly #86 6 years ago

    @Steroyd

    I was joking but I actually agree with you though.

  • EmiliasHorse #87 6 years ago

    I smell a fish.
    Actually I smell something far worse (the farmer is muck spreading, is it that time of the year already?)

  • X201 #88 6 years ago

    Woo, 100 replies by 9:30... and the students haven't even woken up yet :)

  • smelly #89 6 years ago

    @AdamOfEternia

    The 360 already buggers all over the ps3 graphically apparently.

    And it's been out over a year already.

  • Dizzy #90 6 years ago

    March 2006 technology in March 2007 for 600€!!! Great!

  • pollster #91 6 years ago

    Bugger! I was looking to make a few quid on ebay this xmas (Had one pre-ordered since early may).

    :(

  • smelly #92 6 years ago

    @Dizzy : LMFAO! Well put!

  • rinoaMW #93 6 years ago

    @smelly

    region free games, but i think movies are still coded, ala the PsP:

    http://ps 3.ign.com/articles/697/697656p1...

  • chupachups #94 6 years ago

    "These people, and many sensible people in this forum, will, for no apparent reason, eat sh#t to get a PS3 in March - watch this space. Sony can do what it bloody well wants."

    A long time ago that's exactly what they used to say about Atari, and Nintendo, and Sega, but all of them flopped eventually.

    People also said that about the PSP not so long ago, they claimed the high technology and PlayStation brand combined would wipe the DS off the face of the earth. Didn't happen, did it?

    No console is ever a guaranteed success.

  • Yossarian #95 6 years ago

    the 'region free games' thing is a red herring. what it means is Sony isn't coding the discs, but there's nothing to stop publishers from doing so

  • jeff #96 6 years ago

    good old sony,muppets

  • DaveTheHutt #97 6 years ago

    "I felt a great disturbance in the Force...as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror... I fear something terrible has happened."

    You said it, Obi-Wan. Now all we need is for Nintendo to shaft us.

    Dave

  • bauhaus #98 6 years ago

    How many people here only own one brand of console?

  • kangarootoo #99 6 years ago

    I have a small request, which may get lost in the mire of anger, but I'm curious so please humour me.

    When someone posts a suxor type comment, can they please also mention whether they planned to buy a PS3 on launch. Call me curious.

    /kangarootoo - "putting it in context" since 1802.

    p.s. I know it sucks, but I have an allergy to group hysteria.

  • rinoaMW #100 6 years ago

    @yossarian

    I agree - but what it means is that they won't require Devs to add region-locking as a TRC, so *most* devs won't bother. There still is the regional text issue though. And the movie thing.

    I'd be surprised if that doesn't stop alot people importing, as who would want a fancy blu-ray player and not be able to use it?

  • kangarootoo #101 6 years ago

    FOR THE LOVE OF GOD will people stop spelling fanboy using "boi"!

    Anyone who does so looks like an idiot, thats the law, don't shoot the messenger. Thankyou.

  • Wobble #102 6 years ago

    ahahahahahaha! :)

  • gamesb*tch #103 6 years ago

    Chupachups - sorry but you are wrong and underestimate the appetite and mass market appeal of PS3. The real battle will be when the bundles are in place for next Xmas when prices have come down from ga ga hardcore early doors prices and it's all about the software... and why nudle all three of those other together? Atari (which was cheapo cloned out of the market), Sega (mega CD that was not very mega at all) and Nintendo... err they have been slightly successful, at least give them the handheld market, won't you concede??

    I'm sure you and me won't be buying a Ps3... but it's not us that concern Sony though is it?
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 09:46

  • JediMasterMalik #104 6 years ago

    kagarootoo I did, and I am pissed off at Sony for this, big time. BUT I will still get a PS3 when it comes out, or import it from the US. Things are cheaper there anyway...

    Still WTF?

  • lennon #105 6 years ago

    This isnt entirely surprising.

    /No intention of buying a PS3 at launch. Although I wonder whether this means they will allow Europe to begin the HD era now.

  • Yossarian #106 6 years ago

    kangarootoo, the people most affected by this announcements aren't messageboard geeks like you and me, it'll be the parents and kids who wander into a GAME a month or two from now and are told there won't be a PS3 this Christmas.

  • Stoatboy #107 6 years ago

    I'll bet there's folks at MS need hospital treatment for laughter-related injuries. They've probably already sedated Peter Moore for his own good.

  • kangarootoo #108 6 years ago

    @JediMasterMalik

    Cheers, I was just curious. Like I said, I agree that it does suck, plus its quite a large delay which makes it worse.

    Everytime news like this comes out the threads get unreadable for a while, which is a pity, but not unexpected.

  • Yossarian #109 6 years ago

    "/No intention of buying a PS3 at launch. Although I wonder whether this means they will allow Europe to begin the HD era now."

    I guess we'll have to wait a little longer for it to start. :(

  • chupachups #110 6 years ago

    "Chupachups - sorry but you are wrong and underestimate the appetite and mass market appeal of PS3."

    I'm not saying the PS3 will definitely do badly, no one knows how it will do. I'm saying that just because the PS2 did so well doesn't guarantee the PS3 will do equally well.

    Some people on here were saying things along the lines of "Oh PlayStation always sells well doesn't it? Sony can do ANYTHING THEY WANT and we'll STILL buy it." That's not true.

    That's what I was objecting to, because history shows it's not true, a hugely successful console can easily be followed by a completely disastrous console (for example the Atari 2600 and Atari 5200, or the Sega Mega Drive and Sega Saturn).
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 09:53

  • Salvia #111 6 years ago

    More ridiculous gloating and uninformed opinion and conjecture from the boards of Eurogamer.

  • smoison #112 6 years ago

    " All those waiting to get there hands on a PS3 this christmas will probably buy a 360 instead and nobody is going to want to buy a new games console in March. "


    Uhh.... I seriuosly doubt that. t
    Those who really wanted a 360 have gotten one, the rest see it as a Consol/PC wanabee. This christmas wee will probably see the Wii, PS2, DS and PSP will still outsell the Xbox 360.

    But I like who those who have a 360 seem to think its just about to start selling LOADS..... soon..... this christmas.... or the next.... eventully.....

  • kangarootoo #113 6 years ago

    @Yossarian

    "it'll be the parents and kids who wander into a GAME a month or two from now and are told there won't be a PS3 this Christmas"

    That is the main issue here I guess. Its hard to know how many people will spend their cash on something else and then NOT get a PS3 Xmas after next as a result. I guess a parent that shells out of a 360 this Xmas is unlikely to then foot another bill for a PS3 the following one, but for some kids it simply means they wait till their birthday.

    You see, this sort of discussion is way more intesting than everyone just writing the same pisspoor superior jokes 300 times.

  • jellyhead #114 6 years ago

    I can't wait to hear Mad Ken K spin this story.

  • EmiliasHorse #115 6 years ago

    @Smoison

    Could you please re-read your comment and then edit it?
    /confused

  • JonFE #116 6 years ago

    Some random thoughts on this:

    ~ At least, they announced it early enough - remember what happened last spring, when they were assuring everybody it was still on track for the Japan launch. Hopefully, they'll stick to this plan and not revise it later, by delaying the US launch as well...

    ~ It explains Sony's no-show in Germany's CG convention - it would be really nasty if they had showed up and implied a November launch, only to back-track a couple of weeks later.

    ~ Apparently, Microsoft has pussed Sony to a tight corner, launching the x360 in 3 major territories at once last November/December. I've got a gut feeling Sony would rather traditionally launch the PS3 in Japan first this Christmas/Spring, followed by a US launch around Summer 07 and a EU one around Christmas 07, as the Blu-Ray and Cell production would be streamlined by then; unfortunately for them this wasn't the case.

    ~ Hopefully, Nintendo will NOT follow suit and treat EU as second class citizens as well - I'd prefer spending Christmas playing against my son and -hopefully- my wife on the Wii.

    PS. To all of you who think this delay is great, because the PS3 will launch in EU without teething problems, I'd suggest taking a hard look on PS2 hardware failure rates (: as reported/documented in gaming forums, at least :)...
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:02

  • ChocNut #117 6 years ago

    DDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEddddddD!

    heheheheh.

  • Yossarian #118 6 years ago

    there's no doubt the PS3 will probably do very well initially, precisely because the set of early adopters and the set of people willing to pay large amounts of money for new technology are effectively coextensive. but I can't help but suppose the impact of a console is most strongly felt in the holiday season (let's say Nov-Jan).

    I would still expect to see more PS2s sold this Christmas than anything else

  • chupachups #119 6 years ago

    "That is the main issue here I guess. Its hard to know how many people will spend their cash on something else and then NOT get a PS3 Xmas after next as a result. I guess a parent that shells out of a 360 this Xmas is unlikely to then foot another bill for a PS3 the following one, but for some kids it simply means they wait till their birthday."

    Yeah, exactly, this is it in a nutshell: are most people who wanted a PS3 this Xmas going to get a 360 (or even a Wii) instead, and then not bother ever getting a PS3?

    Or will they get an iPod or something and wait until next Xmas for a new console?

    Even without the delay in the launch, the vast majority of people wanting a PS3 were going to be disappointed anyway because of the small launch allocation, so these were always the key questions.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:01

  • Xerx3s #120 6 years ago

    This page is going to be a focking train wreck by 11:00am.

    GETCHER HOTDOGS HEEYAAR!

    fixed. ;)

  • EmiliasHorse #121 6 years ago

    People who wanted a 360 will have already bought one?!?
    Balls.
    PS2 still sells to new users 5 years into it's life.
    Not everyone can afford or justify £279 until Xmas.

  • Pike #122 6 years ago

    I think that, as usual, the hardcore gamers that tend to frequent gaming forums vastly overestimate the number of people who buy more than one console per generation. Most casual gamers will buy one console, period.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:06

  • mr-retail #123 6 years ago

    PS3 games are supposed to be region free, but it is down to publishers apparently,
    but it does still respect the PAL , NTSC-USA, NTSC-JPN boundaries of the PS2 and PS1 games on backward compatibility according to the presentation we had from Sony yesterday.

  • AceMaCool #124 6 years ago

    This is a laugh innit?

  • Steroyd #125 6 years ago

    wow this nearly beat the "no HDMI" comments section in one hour... i'm impressed.

  • JediMasterMalik #126 6 years ago

    Maybe they announced such a late date just incase they couldn't make it earlier. Say in January. Then if they do make January, they can release it "early"?? LOL

    It's plausible, right?

  • chupachups #127 6 years ago

    "Most casual gamers will buy one console, period."

    That's definitely true of the last generation, the PS2 outsold all other consoles put together by a very wide margin, so most console owners must have had just one console, the PS2.

  • kangarootoo #128 6 years ago

    @Yossarian and chupachups

    "I would still expect to see more PS2s sold this Christmas than anything else"

    "Or will they get an iPod or something"

    Those are good points that I didn't even consider. I was just assuming that lost console sales would be directed at the 360, but the PS2 is still moving off shelves and there are of course other gadget pressies out there. Most of them are cheaper than a PS3 though, hsihc is important I think.

    So if you planned to spend £400+ this Xmas on a PS3 and then couldn't, would you spend the £400+ on something else (then being less likely to buy a PS3 next year perhaps) or spend a hundred or so on a stop gap alternative, still keeping the wodge aside for a PS3 at a later date?

  • paulf #129 6 years ago

    overhyped, overpriced and *ahem* not over here

  • melw #130 6 years ago

    No matter if they can't make it for xmas, PS2 games will be biggest selling piece of software in Europe anyways. They're making loss on each PS3 sold, so this is actually good for the Sony budget, covering the forthcoming huge losses. :)

  • #131 6 years ago

    Is no one going to shed a tear for the loss of Sony's dominance in Europe for the first time in years?

    Nah, didn't think so.....

    It'll be lonely this christmas, without a PS3 to hooooold!

  • smoison #132 6 years ago

    Merry Christmas!

  • Dizzy #133 6 years ago

    NO HDMI cable in that box and NO console!!! We got you there silly Eulopeans...

  • bauhaus #134 6 years ago

    God knows what I¬ll spend my £400 on now, probably a fast Sigma lens

    Still have 3 months to save up for the March launch

  • TurboBailey #135 6 years ago

    FFS.

    Im going back to PC gaming. Mite get a Wii as well

  • Xerx3s #136 6 years ago

    Oh well, on the positive side: I didn't pay for the preorders. On the downside, they where going to finance my xmas. :\

    I don't think that this will hurt sony that bad. It will still sell out on day one when it's released here.

  • faselei #137 6 years ago

    TurboBailey:

    "FFS.

    Im going back to PC gaming. Mite get a Wii as well "

    Sir you mind obviously works in a very similar way to mine...

    qft.

  • TakeTheVeil #138 6 years ago

    honestly thats it.. im not gonna buy one for years to come

  • holydrone #139 6 years ago

    Yay! My Birthday is in March... Oh wait! I don't actually want one.

  • JediMasterMalik #140 6 years ago

    True, considering it's JUST europe, and will still sellout. It shouldn't be bad for Sony at all, if anything it could be good for them. It's still bad for US though. ...gggrrrrr

  • belziah #141 6 years ago

    Once again Sony prove that, despite being a hardware company, they couldnt organise the launch of an erection in room full of Angelina Jolie look-a-likes(or Brad Pitt if thats your thing).

    What a total and absolute cluster-fuck. Being a Sony fanboy all I can say is welcome to the era of Microsoft dominance.

    It also proves once and for that you dont WIN the console wars you get it HANDED TO YOU ON A PLATE!!!

  • thinktank #142 6 years ago

    @Yossarian

    "kangarootoo, the people most affected by this announcements aren't messageboard geeks like you and me, it'll be the parents and kids who wander into a GAME a month or two from now and are told there won't be a PS3 this Christmas."

    Im sure the entire european allocation was all tied up in pre orders, as they stopped selling the pre order tickets after a while.

    Therefore wouldn't it be the people who use these boards who suffer, not the uniformed parents who probably don't know what a preorder is?

    Really what was the chances of being able to walk into a store and "pick one up" this xmax. Slim to non i would have thought.

  • ChocNut #143 6 years ago

    Im thinking ill get an HDTV instead of a PS3 now. wii60 for the WIIiiiiN!

  • Hugundo #144 6 years ago

    Looks like its a 360 for me.

  • J_C_X #145 6 years ago

    I thought the first machines to be manufactured were PAL. If MS play the cards right they could have a 15 million lead before Sony release the PS3. The Wii could open a gap on the PS3 too.

  • Steroyd #146 6 years ago

    So XBox360 gets two christmas's head start over the PS3 and the PS3 isn't even a leap in technology. All those waiting to get there hands on a PS3 this christmas will probably buy a 360 instead and nobody is going to want to buy a new games console in March.

    Sony this is your biggest fuck up ever and its gonna cost you your overseas market share and see Microsoft as the main console in all other territories except Japan.

    I dunno if the German game convention is anything to go by the publoic opinion is that they still don't like the Xbox 360 but they think the PS3 is too expensive and the wii is too wierd.

    Anyway it's only one region (unfortunately the one i live in) people make it sound like it's a worldwide delay which would be a bigger blow to Sony IMO.

  • The12thMonkey #147 6 years ago

    At first, I laughed.
    Then I thought. Wii sales might fall away if it's only got the 360 to compete with. So Nintendo's price point would be key, I though. Microsoft have already made their price move, minor though it was, but that doesn't mean they can't make another.

    Then I thought again; people love new stuff, and if they already have a 360, like me, then the lure of brand new hardware is tempting. Besides, byt the looks of things, there are some genuine heavy hitters in the Wii launch line up. Metroid, Mario, Zelda, Wario Ware, Smash Bros to come. I saw the video IGN were running of their Leipzig Wii playtime, and Red Steel looks like it's been tightened up a fair bit.

    Nintendo have proved how innovation in hardware works at the tills. DS sales are pretty darn healthy, and the software line up is pretty solid. DS was the prooving ground, and now the Wii looks to be the next leap on from that technology.

    So, I don't think Wii (if it actually makes it here this side of Christmas), will be in too much trouble sales wise. It'll sell through it's batch, and hopefully I'll be in posession of one at launch..

    And, so. Sony.
    What to say that hasn't already been said? Oh, yeah. I actually faught a giant enemy crab on Star Ocean 3 yesterday... perchance this is the fallout from the massive damage I inflicted to it's weakpoint?
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:18

  • mattigan #148 6 years ago

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  • manic_mouse #149 6 years ago

    Sony are going to run into serious problems in Europe.

    They are launching a YEAR later than promised, and a year and a half behind their competition. This puts MS in such a lovely position in Europe. They have another unchallenged Christmas in Europe, after which they can give the the 360 a lovely little price-cut which, along with Halo 3/Mass Effect/Alan Wake, will take on the PS3 nicely.

    Sony will be launching against a product that, for most intents and purposes, is as powerful as their console. A product that has been out for a year and a half, with a big installed userbase and plenty of games. A product that will cost half the price of the PS3.

    Blu-Ray had better be a huge success, and utterly crush HD-DVD. Because it's the only ace Sony have in their hand now.

    From the bucket of lies that was E3 2005 onwards Sony have cocked up at every possible opportunity. MS couldn't have wished for a worse PS3 launch.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:18

  • guest informant #150 6 years ago

    Europe's up for grabs. It's all up to MS and Nintendo now.

    Can anyone see Europe getting PS3s in any serious quantity until the run up for Xmas 2007?

  • Yossarian #151 6 years ago

    "PS3 games are supposed to be region free, but it is down to publishers apparently,
    but it does still respect the PAL , NTSC-USA, NTSC-JPN boundaries of the PS2 and PS1 games on backward compatibility according to the presentation we had from Sony yesterday."

    so if you do import this year you'll miss out on backwards compatibility? if I was considering buying one (and I'm not, at least until the price plummets) that would be a blow because the PS back catalogue is an obvious big draw

  • EmiliasHorse #152 6 years ago

    German opinion on the 360 means nothing to anyone.

  • thinktank #153 6 years ago

    @Xerx3s

    I feel your pain! I've got 6 preorded from mate at the northern gamestation superstore(the ones that get their allocations first).

    Would have made for a cracking christmas, looks every1 is just goin to have to settle for some fruit now.

    fuckin fruit.

  • wizbob #154 6 years ago

    Sudden panic attack: where can I preorder a Wii online for delivery to Ireland? I had almost forgotten about the console I do want for Christmas amid all this vaporware discussion.

  • dr_faulk #155 6 years ago

    lolz, they're the new Nintendo in Europe. DOn't give a shit lolz lolz sony r d sux0rs!!

  • mash the x button #156 6 years ago

    You fools!!!!
    You don't realise that Sony have done there homework perfectly and have researched how most European gamers holiday falls in March.
    There's no other reason surely....

  • kangarootoo #157 6 years ago

    If anyone is interested, just in the spirit of information, the delay is caused by a shortage of the blue ray diodes required to manufacture Blue-ray drives.

    This is public info which you can probably find elsewhere.

  • chupachups #158 6 years ago

    "Same thing happened with PSP, and when it was finally released in the UK it smashed sales records. Personally I was dismayed to see the ignorant public reward Sonys contempt for Europe, but there you go."

    That doesn't necessarily mean that much though, the PSP eventually fell behind the DS across the world despite having much greater launch sales in America, Europe and Japan.

    The "next gen wars" won't be decided this Xmas but over the next couple of years as various key games get released. It's the games that sell consoles in the end.


    "If anyone is interested, just in the spirit of information, the delay is caused by a shortage of the blue ray diodes required to manufacture Blue-ray drives. "

    I wonder if the shortage of diodes is going to affect the blu-ray vs hd-dvd battle, after all hd-dvd launches this Xmas too.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:22

  • Darkedge #159 6 years ago

    well as Europe is likely to be the biggest market in the world (twice the size of japan and US put together in theory) this has just ended the next gen battle for Sony.

    Bye bye you smug cunts

  • rinoaMW #160 6 years ago

    @mash

    they do? I must be working to a different holiday system to everyone else then....
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:21

  • tiddles #161 6 years ago

    Sony = self-inflicted

  • Zuiyo #162 6 years ago

    Somehow I have the feeling that people who were going to buy at launch and weren't HC users (a majority?) will just save the money or buy something way cheaper by christmas.

  • Steroyd #163 6 years ago

    German opinion on the 360 means nothing to anyone.

    well it means that germany won't be yay excited with the news either way

    I'm just saying if that's the general opinion of the whole of Europe is this then it means squat to MS who only have Gears of War to show for the holiday season....

    Plus this delay might lead to a backlash of slaes come March, because Sony did the exact same thing with the PSP and smushed records when it eventually launched.

    well as Europe is likely to be the biggest market in the world (twice the size of japan and US put together in theory) this has just ended the next gen battle for Sony.

    Europe is the second biggest marketshare behind the US.

    the thing is that Europe is so broken and disjointed that Europe is behind in anything technological from Internet adoption to HDTV's... except UK.

    Sometimes i'm sad that UK is part of the EU.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:26

  • Vin #164 6 years ago

    What a sham.

    Man, I'll be fucking wrecked money wise after Xmas - so a 2008 purchase ftw.

  • rinoaMW #165 6 years ago

    like a 360?

    MS win win ;)

  • Yossarian #166 6 years ago

    the scarier backstory to this for those in the US/Japan:

    Associated Press article
    "
    TOKYO Sony's upgrade video-game console PlayStation 3 will be delayed until March in Europe, but will go on sale in November as planned in the U.S. and Japan, the executive in charge of the project said Wednesday.

    The sales delay is caused by a problem in mass producing a key component in the Blu-ray disc laser part of the machine, the next-generation successor to Sony Corp.'s hit PlayStation 2, Sony Computer Entertainment Chief Ken Kutaragi told reporters.

    "We decided to focus on the Japanese and U.S. markets," he said at the gaming unit's Tokyo headquarters. "I am so sorry not to be able to answer to all the expectations."

    The company is still sticking to its initial global target of shipping 6 million PlayStation 3 machines by March 2007.

    But far fewer machines will be available for the launch dates in Japan and the U.S. because of the production problem, Kutaragi said.

    In the U.S., about 400,000 PlayStation 3 machines will be available when they go on sale Nov. 17. About 100,000 will be available on the Nov. 11 Japan launch date.

    The production problem is causing about a one-month delay that will reduce the company's supply capacity by about a million machines from the original plan, he said.

    "We've been working hard to try to tackle the problem, but we see the delay is inevitable," he said.

    Kutaragi said other preparation work on the machine was going smoothly, including the "cell" next-generation computer chip. Mass production of the machine is set to start end of September, he said.

    Although Sony had initially counted on shipping 4 million PlayStation 3 machines worldwide by the end of the year, that will likely fall to 2 million, he said."

    2 MILLION?? BY THE END OF THE YEAR?? IN TWO REGIONS???

    MS delivered 1.1m 360s in their first shipment to the US alone, and it was considered a shortage.
    Edited by 3 at 06/09/06 @ 10:28

  • bauhaus #167 6 years ago

    Mate of mine is in New York in decemeber, reckons he`s gonna bring a couple back at least

  • mash the x button #168 6 years ago

    @rinoaMW
    Sarcasm mate ;)
    Sadly Sony will shift loads of units at their asking price. Best to wait and see what offers come round by Xmas 07 I say.
    But obviously by then MS & Nintendo will by well ahead of the game with special offers and attractive bundles.
    Should be interesting...
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:26

  • #169 6 years ago

    A bunch of footie titles. (some for cheap)
    Dead Rising
    Gears of War
    Oblivion (cheap version)
    Condemned (cheap version)
    PGR3 (cheap version)
    CoD2 (cheap version)
    CoD3
    Splinter Cell
    Halo 3
    Assassin's Creed
    A bunch of others,

    And the prospect of GTA IV

    Add to this - cheaper price, cheaper games, established, reliable hardware, HD DVD drive (out before end '06)

    Who in their right mind would walk into a games shop and not go for the 360 over the PS3 come launch?

    But I guess for some weird people, it's not about the games.

  • asphaltcowboy #170 6 years ago

    Well, Sony's "launch window" is actually classed as November to March, so I suppose in a way it's still a simultaneous launch... kinda

    o_0

  • cooper #171 6 years ago

    10 months after launch the 360 still hasn't managed to crack 1.5 million units in Europe. Is that such a huge lead?

    BTW, I'll be getting all 3 consoles (eventually), just like in the current gen. How do people get so attached to a particular piece of hardware is beyond me...

  • thinktank #172 6 years ago

    @Yossarian

    Good find, These things are going to be rarer than paris hiltons dignity.

  • chupachups #173 6 years ago

    "Well, Sony's "launch window" is actually classed as November to March, so I suppose in a way it's still a simultaneous launch... kinda "

    If I was a console manufacturer, I know which side of Xmas I'd rather launch my product.

  • smoison #174 6 years ago

    "10 months after launch the 360 still hasn't managed to crack 1.5 million units in Europe. Is that such a huge lead"

    I guess Sony dosn't think soo.

  • foxy2006 #175 6 years ago

    this could be a good thing for the kiddies this xmas..they'll get a 360 instead.

    "This is living"

    lol

  • AcidSnake #176 6 years ago

    So instead of selling out the initial batch of ps3 globally Sony will sell the same number only in the US and Japan...
    So, very bad move....

    Cue the Wii launching in october in the US and selling by the bucketload

    Cue the Wii launching in october in Japan and selling by truckloads (No real MS competition here)

    Cue the Wii launching in december in europe and selling by the bucketload

    Cue Microsoft nearly laughing themselves to death...

    Very very bad move Sony...

    @kangarootoo:
    No, I wasn't planning on buying one at launch
    The only thing it has that interests me is MGS4
    (Maybe I'll hold out for that 360 version)

    @gameb*tch:
    You should add MGS3 subsistance to that earlier chistmas line up..

  • mcmonkeyplc #177 6 years ago

    Can you hear that?

    Sounds like MS europe are having a party :p

  • bauhaus #178 6 years ago

    "How do people get so attached to a particular piece of hardware is beyond me..."


    By slagging off the alternatives its helps you feel better about the choice that you have made. ie. 360 as thats the only choice at the moment

    Personally, I just buy the lot and enjoy each one for its own stengths. No need to hate, it only shortens your life anyway

  • Dizzy #179 6 years ago

    "the thing is that Europe is so broken and disjointed that Europe is behind in anything technological from Internet adoption to HDTV's... except UK. "

    ROFL.. you idiot. UK is in the last spots in Europe in broadband connections....

  • rinoaMW #180 6 years ago

    this thread is going strong for 251!

    I wonder how far it will go? :)
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:33

  • chupachups #181 6 years ago

    "How do people get so attached to a particular piece of hardware is beyond me..."

    It's just like footie teams, no real reason, just a bit of fun.

    (At least I hope this is just a bit of fun, I'd hate to see someone outside the industry actually losing sleep over whether the PS3 launches on time.)

  • #182 6 years ago

    Where were you when Sony announced their own doom in the european market?

  • EmiliasHorse #183 6 years ago

    @Steroyd
    360 broke sales records when it released.
    You can defend Sony all you like but the fact is they treat Europe like shit and you guys still let them get away with it. If the machine had better games I would agree with you. This month's official Playstation mag quotes Army of Two as the game to make you want a PS3!. Yet it is also a 360 title on a joint release date if Sony can be arsed to release the PS3 by then.
    My point is the PS3 is not the dawn on the next gen, it is catch up time for Sony and they have forgot to tie their laces.

  • Ed_209uk #184 6 years ago

    This whole saga reminds me of that episode of Spaced where they're watching a video of skaters crashing and getting injured, and after every fall they cringe "Oooooooooh", "Aaaahhhhhh", " Eeeeeeeee".

    It's not been Sony's year...that's for sure.

  • sharpfish #185 6 years ago

    PS3?

    POS3 more like :)

  • JediMasterMalik #186 6 years ago

    Actually, yossarian, M$ (Yes I still use this) only shipped a total of 1.5 million worldwide by the end of 2005. God knows where your figures come from.

  • J_C_X #187 6 years ago

    It looks like the Wii and the 360 will have a healthy Christmas. Look a lot of kids will ask thier parents for a PS3 they unlike us will probably not know the PS3 has been delayed. They will go into a shop ask for one were they will be told its not in till March. Not to dissapoint the kids they will look for alternitave the pushy salesman will point them in the way of the Wii or the 360. Kids who wanted a PS3 will likely wake up to a 360 or a Wii this Christmas.

  • RedPanda #188 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • AcidSnake #189 6 years ago

    @Yossarian:
    Holy shit...That's far far worse than anyone expected...
    Indeed nice find...
    This looks real bad for Sony...

  • chupachups #190 6 years ago

    "the thing is that Europe is so broken and disjointed that Europe is behind in anything technological from Internet adoption to HDTV's... except UK. "

    It's not that clear, there's some things where we're way ahead and some things where we're way behind.

    For example Europe's ahead in mobile phones, we tend to have far more advanced models than the US and we've had broadband-speed 3G phone networks for several years, but they're only just getting 3G now. Heck, there's Americans still using analogue phones whereas we shut down our analogue networks years ago.

    That's why Americans are so much more into wi-fi, they have no other way of getting broadband access wirelessly.

  • spongebob #191 6 years ago

    Wow. Just wow. Sony has to do something truly special for the Europe launch. At least people there will get more games straight away when the console hits the streets. Hopefully.

    Still, I don't see how people can be HAPPY about news like this. Is there really so many shareholders in these parts?

  • EmiliasHorse #192 6 years ago

    Does the Wii have a confirmed Europe release date?

  • J_C_X #193 6 years ago

    Were also light years ahead of America in the digital TV race.

  • Carpathian #194 6 years ago

    The bigger question is how the launch will go once it eventually comes round.

    Either less people will be bothered having bought other kit in place of it over Christmas and 1st quarter next year, or there will be more demand built up by then. If it's the latter it could be a delayed launch followed by shortages. Heads would have to roll internally if so - I can't see any other result.

    I take no delight in this but the perceived jumble that the PS3 launch had been earmarked as seems to be becoming reality. For all the fanboy-ism and general nay-saying on forums and the like Sony are doing their best to bring it to fruition.

  • Steroyd #195 6 years ago

    Does the Wii have a confirmed Europe release date?

    Nintendo have said fuck all for months and no-ones jumping on their back for it.

  • J_C_X #196 6 years ago

    "Does the Wii have a confirmed Europe release date?"

    If it did'nt it will have now I don't expect Nintendo to let a oppurtunity like this to slip.

  • Totoriko #197 6 years ago

    It's another of their lies!
    ;)

  • JetSetWilly #198 6 years ago

    Lets not get carried away with what this might mean for the 360. It's selling steadily and solidy but not spectacularly into its own fanbase - but nothing more. The continued strength of the PS2 in all regions shows you exactly what the mass-market thinks of next-gen at the moment.

    Nonetheless, this is an opportunity for Microsoft and Nintendo to do more with the European market. Sony is reeling at the moment. Will it fight back like a champion?

  • spongebob #199 6 years ago

    And by the way, this news will mean MS is not going to change the price of X360 for some time in Europe. Definitely not good news for would-be Xbox 360 owners.

  • Tonka #200 6 years ago

    Does the Wii have a confirmed Europe release date?

    Not untill the 15th

  • chupachups #201 6 years ago

    "Nintendo have said fuck all for months and no-ones jumping on their back for it."

    They said it would be before the end of 2006, and that it would happen worldwide within a three month window.

    We'll find out more on the 15th if the reports on this site are correct.

  • pollster #202 6 years ago

    J_C_X wrote:

    "It looks like the Wii and the 360 will have a healthy Christmas. Look a lot of kids will ask thier parents for a PS3 they unlike us will probably not know the PS3 has been delayed. They will go into a shop ask for one were they will be told its not in till March. Not to dissapoint the kids they will look for alternitave the pushy salesman will point them in the way of the Wii or the 360. Kids who wanted a PS3 will likely wake up to a 360 or a Wii this Christmas."

    In a way I kinda hope not, don't want to see a load of kids and chavs who'd normally buy Sony end up on LIVE. Its bad enough at the moment!
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:44

  • Pike #203 6 years ago

    I doubt technological backwardsness has anything to do with Europe being treated differently. The problem is that it a far less homogenous market compared to Japan and The US. Marketing, localisation etc. becomes far more difficult and costly.

  • chupachups #204 6 years ago

    Yossarian posted an article that said "About 100,000 PS3s will be available on the Nov. 11 Japan launch date. "

    That means the Nintendo DS Lite might outsell the PS3 at launch, they've been selling 150,000 or more of them every week in Japan for the past couple of months and it hasn't slowed down.

    Wouldn't that be quite a PR coup for Nintendo if it happened?


    "I doubt technological backwardsness has anything to do with Europe being treated differently. The problem is that it a far less homogenous market compared to Japan and The US. Marketing, localisation etc. becomes far more difficult and costly."

    I did a list in the other thread but yeah, it's all about the heterogenous nature of Europe: too many languages, too many countries, too many borders, too many different rules. It's also not a natural console continent, we spent most of our gaming money on computer games rather than console games during the 1980s and early 1990s and I'm sure a lot of executives at console companies still think of Europe as a console-hating place. Plus it doesn't help that there are no European consoles at all, and never have been.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:48

  • J_C_X #205 6 years ago

    DS will sell crazy numbers at christmas in Japan was thier one week in Japan it sold 600,000 units.

  • sharpfish #206 6 years ago

    @ Steroyd: The reason no one is jumping on Nintendos back over it not announcing a date yet is because they dont come out with stupid comments like "The Next Gen doesnt start until we say it does" and make false promises time and time again on specs and release dates.

  • Kostabi #207 6 years ago

    220+ replies in the space of a few hours? Whoa..

  • spongebob #208 6 years ago

    Seriously people, do you own Nintendo and Microsoft shares?
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:49

  • DaveTHX #209 6 years ago

    Possible positives from all this could be:

    a) Europe will get more PS3's to go around then it would have done if it were still being launched in November,
    b) Sony has 3-4 months to try to rectify any hardware problems that crop up
    c) Sony might, and i emphasise the word MIGHT, throw in some extras because of the delay, i.e a HDMI cable

  • Steroyd #210 6 years ago

    360 broke sales records when it released.
    You can defend Sony all you like but the fact is they treat Europe like shit and you guys still let them get away with it. If the machine had better games I would agree with you. This month's official Playstation mag quotes Army of Two as the game to make you want a PS3!. Yet it is also a 360 title on a joint release date if Sony can be arsed to release the PS3 by then.
    My point is the PS3 is not the dawn on the next gen, it is catch up time for Sony and they have forgot to tie their laces.

    The Xbox 360 set records when it released no-one has done a worldwide launch before so there were no records in the first place to be broken.

    The only thing stopping me from being pissed completely is the PS2's Holiday line-up... which i would have had problems funding for and a PS3 at the same time, so i'm not exactly stranded in the nothingness of no new games coming out for the PS2 like what happened to the Xbox when the Xbox 360 launched.

    I hate being screwed from Sony and nearly every other Japaneese dev but at the same time i still think the Xbox 360 has s**t games not worthy for me splashing my cash even if it's cheaper... i mean would you buy a console you don't even like because the other manufacturer screwed you over?

    The delay will mean the PS3 wil have a great launch come March from Resistance, to Warhawk, to maybe Assasin's Creed, Heavenly Sword etc.

    Much like how when the PS2 eventually launched in Europe GTA, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy and MGS and the likes were just around the corner.

    Nonetheless, this is an opportunity for Microsoft and Nintendo to do more with the European market. Sony is reeling at the moment. Will it fight back like a champion?

    You'd expect Sony to fight back just like how Nintendo fought back with the DS.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 10:53

  • The12thMonkey #211 6 years ago

    @Steryod

    Final Fantasy on PS2 didn't make it's appearence for nearly 18 months in Europe. Maybe longer. I already had my gamecube by the time Tidus and co were burning up around Spira on my TV.

  • englishmen #212 6 years ago

    I really don't get this, its the same hardware in all regions is it not? So how come we Europeans get lumbered with the delays and no one else?

    Any how i always planned to only buy one next Gen console and was waiting to see some reviews and feed back of the ps3 before buying one. This delay is just too much im going to get me a 360 tomorrow.

  • chupachups #213 6 years ago

    It took Nintendo a long time to admit they had a problem though. The NES dominated the console market just like the PS2, and Nintendo seemed to assume they could get away with just doing more of the same with higher tech specs. But each successive console's sales dropped further, the SNES drew level with the Mega Drive, the N64 fell behind the PS1 and the GameCube was WAY behind the PS2.

  • J_C_X #214 6 years ago

    The 360 will have better games at Christmas. Gears of War, Dead Rising, the Fifa and Pro Evo titles and hell even Forza (far superior to GT and I used to love GT). The 360 will look apealing this Christmas. Blue Dragon will be good in the future (chrono trigger team) and Halo 3. I love the FF games and for that I will get a PS3 but if that was released on 360 I would'nt bother getting a PS3.

  • InfiniteFury #215 6 years ago

    No Forza 2 for Christmas apparently. I'm sorry for not having the link (it's a bit wrong to say this and not back it up) but one of the devs said so on the forums today. I think there's a thread with links on the Team Xbox forums

    Edit - here: [link url=http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/17441. aspx
    ]http://fo rums.forzamotorsport.net/forums...[/link]

    About half way down the page
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 11:04

  • reality_cheque #216 6 years ago

    I think MS must have a plant inside Sony, that's the only reason I can think of that explains how many cockups Sony have made recently.

  • zozart #217 6 years ago

    See ya Sony.

  • chupachups #218 6 years ago

    "I know it's not really worth mentioning, but there was Gizmondo. :)"

    Well I was thinking more about home consoles rather than handhelds. :)

    There was actually one European home console, the Amstrad GX4000, but the least said about that the better.

  • PS3lol #219 6 years ago

    Breaking news, PS3 officially dead

    Not only is there a 4 month delay in Europe that has ended any chance Sony had of taking the second biggest games market in the world.

    But there is a massive shortage that means only 400,000 PS3s will be released in North America at launch. 100,000 in Japan.

    R.I.P PS3, I never liked you so I'm glad to see you dead before you even hit the shops.

    [link url=http://www.iht.com/artic les/ap/2006/09/06/business/AS_FIN_COM_Japan_Sony_PlayStation .php
    ]http://ww w.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/09/0...[/link]

    Wii360 ftw

  • Huntcjna #220 6 years ago

    What! I thought Forza 2 was due to be out before christmas. :(

  • InfiniteFury #221 6 years ago

    Yeah I know, you me and everyone else. But, if they need to delay it, I'd rather they did

  • spongebob #222 6 years ago

    People hate something so much that they haven't even tried out. Really flabbergasting.

    It's like racism. So sad. I guess the same people who keep on posting dissing notes keep on burning crosses and reading Mein Kampf.

    Get a grip you lot. It's fun to play a good game nevermind what console it's on. If you don't agree on that, you're a "console racist".

  • neosalad #223 6 years ago

    wow! just checking @ work. this is a popular article for comments eh!

    bad news for teh sony fanboyz i guess, but doesnt coem as a surprise it's been delayed in europe at least, sony always screw us over... just makes me even more glad i got a 360 at launch pretty much as i'll have had it for a year and a half by the time the PS3 is released over here.. already been getting ltos of use.. but no doubt the hype surroundign the US launch will help by the time we get the Euro launch, though i can see lots of upset kiddies that had their hearts set on PS3's crying into their rice crispies.. haha

  • neuroniky #224 6 years ago

    If MS goes for a lower price this XMas, and they manage to get Fifa out by XMas, this could make a big difference. If they can add in the mix some other big named game (I'm all for new franchises like Lost Planet and Gears of War, but nothing beats a Grand Theft Auto/Fifa combo for XMas sales) they could actually manage to grab the majority of user this time.

    But the issue of the PS2 being still so lively is equally important... maybe the public is just not ready yet for next gen. All depends on how much Microsoft can push out this XMas, if they have enough games to make the 360 look a worthwhile console instead of an early adoption console (just like it is right now, even after an year from release date), maybe they can convert the gamers to get it.

    And, if you want my prediction... expect lower sales for all platform. PS1 started a craze that PS2 capitalizaed on. But the "fashion players" won't be buying any console this gen, I bet on it...

  • TurboBailey #225 6 years ago

    HAHAHA "console racist".

    Legendary!

  • PS3lol #226 6 years ago

    Whatever you say Spnge bob you yellow freak, there I saids it, I'm a racist agains sponges.

    So PS3 is dead eh... what console you going to buy now all you PS3 lovin turds?.

  • chupachups #227 6 years ago

    "Get a grip you lot. It's fun to play a good game nevermind what console it's on. If you don't agree on that, you're a "console racist"."

    I think you're taking this way too seriously.

    People who say "hurrah Sony's failing" aren't being racist, any more than a sports fan who cheers when their team scores a goal.

    Sony isn't a race, it's a company, it's okay to make fun of it.

  • Tweakmonkey #228 6 years ago

    So who was gonna buy one anyway?

  • Razzajazz #229 6 years ago

    I wonder if anyone from Sony Europe is on the internet right now, wincing over the caning that they are getting? Sony's problem is that the battle is now becoming idealogical, and their cherished Playstation "Brand" is being tarnished.

    What everyone says is true, PS3 will sell loads just on the strength of being Playstation, but the negative connotations will spread from the "Hardcore" through to the "Mainstream" press. If you throw enough shit, some of it'll stick....

  • belziah #230 6 years ago

    Its good to see the LOVE that Sony bring to the table

    by the by, this is breaking news on the BBC news front page website and is being announced all over the radio. Its like the Queen died. lol.

    The King is Dead, Long live the King!!!
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 11:21

  • Dizzy #231 6 years ago

    "HAHAHA "console racist".

    Legendary! "

    Wait until they start calling us "console terrorists".

  • MadMirko #232 6 years ago

    Get a grip you lot. It's fun to play a good game nevermind what console it's on. If you don't agree on that, you're a "console racist".

    My god, this is so stupid AND sad I could almost cry for you, Spongebob.

  • urban #233 6 years ago

    they gots alot of catching up to do.

  • sopaman #234 6 years ago

    Sony deserves to die. Not that I was planning to buy it now but wtf do they think they're doing playing with their (as always, European) customers so much? And lying and lying and lying, because they said once and again that everything was on track, as expected, and thay they would launch worldwide in November. They did EXACTLY THE SAME with the PSP.

    I suspect it's a Sony Japan doing, as SCEE didn't know a shit about this. They had even prepared the launch campaign for the system. Really, they should be ashamed of that and I really hope it makes them lose their position as leaders. They don't deserve that anymore, they used to be pioneers, now they're just a bunch of ****ing liars.

    GO NINTENDO GO!!!!!!!!!!

  • AcidSnake #235 6 years ago

    Actually an interesting point...
    What will those who intended to buy a PS3 buy now?
    Wii60?
    360?
    Wii?
    Wait until march?

    I'd like to hear this from you...

  • rhinoxious #236 6 years ago

    I don't think we should over react here.

    Yes it's a huge dissapointment for those who were waiting for their first next-gen console, but really it only sets back the PS3 buy a few months in one territory out of three.

    The console would have sold out to the hardcore, and stll will on its march release. No big change there. It will always be next xmas that this console war was going to start for real, till then marketing and spin will couant for as much as actual sales. One game (be it a singstar or a GTA can change everything!)

    The real issue for me is the continued bad treatment of the european market. As other's have said this leaves Sony fighting microsoft in their backyard of america, and puts them up against nintendo in the fickle and less tech/graphics driven japanese market.

    All round it aint' looking good for Sony, and this announcement is just one more point against them.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 11:28

  • kissthestick #237 6 years ago

    http://im g178.imageshack.us/img178/1730/...

  • #238 6 years ago

    Get a grip you lot. It's fun to play a good game nevermind what console it's on. If you don't agree on that, you're a "console racist".
    I have to concur.

    Stupid comment.
    It's natural to be pissed off at something/someone that displays contempt for you and continually lies/tells you things that it knows won't happen.

    For me, it's mainly the price and lack of games that puts me off though, although Sony corp's attitude to Europe is hardly inspiring.

  • spongebob #239 6 years ago

    Thanks, it's good that my remark got me some exposure! I feel much better now.

    Anyway, I was not even going to buy a PS3 this year. I just don't see how you people get so much joy out of news like this when clearly it only is going affect negatively the whole gaming scene.

    But hey, if you think it's fun to jerk off to pics of Gates and Mario, whatever!

  • Lawlost #240 6 years ago

    OK that's it I guess eveyone must be sick and tired of Sony treating Europe as second class. It happened with the PSP and now with the PS3. Please, even Sony fan boys must rebel against this. UNITE WITH ME AND BUY A WII !!!!!!

  • JetSetWilly #241 6 years ago

    In light of this, expect a PSP price-cut in the PAL territories before xmas.

  • repetition #242 6 years ago

    Surely one of the dumbest things written on this or any other forum: "It's like racism. So sad. I guess the same people who keep on posting dissing notes keep on burning crosses and reading Mein Kampf." It's not like racism. Racism involves people. These are toys which we're discussing. Very shiny, clever toys, but toys nonetheless.

    And any kids who were expecting a shiny new PS3 bulging in their stocking this christmas will now have a 'nextgen' (or 0.34Beta gen as i like to call it) sized hole in their heart. A hole only a console can fill and so, as easily as allegiences change from Reebok to Adidas to Nike and back again, they will all be loving their wiis or their 360s come christmas morn. And it's not just Europe where this will be happening if the low numbers hitting the shops in America and Japan are anything to go by (according to the International Herald Tribune article linked to above)

  • Nillsens #243 6 years ago

    Fair enough, still have plenty of games to squeeze out of my PS2!

    Old games that is... haven't seen many interesting new ones : /

  • #244 6 years ago

    I really can't see how there's any excuse or defence for Sony, considering that they still plan on delivering the SAME ammount of PS3s by March.

    They have simply diverted all eropean units into other regions, in order for them not to have a shortage.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 11:33

  • Rambaldi #245 6 years ago

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA





    (well you've got to do something to stand out in this shitstorm;)

    EDIT: missed an A
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 11:32

  • CrunchinJelly #246 6 years ago

    I dare say the North American launch will probably be called off until next year, as well. Is there really any point in launching a console with barely 100k units in Japan?

    This is the news everyone expected -- and with features dropping off the PS3 every single day, the Sony lies are really coming out now.

  • PS3lol #247 6 years ago

    I think you are all missing the real story here, not the delay but the shortages.

    400,000 PS3s for launch in North America
    100,00 for Japan.

    That more or less has killed PS3, yet you are all ignoring it?. No one will even be ablt to buy one in a store this year, they will be going for $5000 each on ebay.

    PS3 is dead today, forget about the 4 month delay in Europe that's not the big story.

    [link url=http://www.iht.com/artic les/ap/2006/09/06/business/AS_FIN_COM_Japan_Sony_PlayStation .php
    ]http://ww w.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/09/0...[/link]

    There are no PS3s for Japan and North America, which equals no sales for Sony= death by there own hand.

  • Steroyd #248 6 years ago

    Actually an interesting point...
    What will those who intended to buy a PS3 buy now?
    Wii60?
    360?
    Wii?
    Wait until march?

    I'd like to hear this from you...

    uhm... buy a bunch of PS2 games instead maybe?

  • #249 6 years ago

    Rambaldi that's pretty lame.

    One ha ha would have been enough you attention seeking ho!

  • cooper #250 6 years ago

    @AcidSnake
    I have a 360 (which I hope it will see more use after getting dead rising).
    I'll get a PS3 when it gets a few decent games (too many good/great PS2 games on the horizon).
    and I'll get a wii when Metroid Prime 3 ships (nothing else on the wii caught my eye yet).

  • Pac #251 6 years ago

    @Nillsens

    To be honest I am more bothered about the US getting Okami before Europe.

    It's getting some of the best reviews ever (according to metacritic)

    When is the damn thing out anyway. Q3 06 - what does it mean!!

  • oceanmotion #252 6 years ago

    Here is an interesting fact.

    77% of PS2 were sold in North America after the $199 price point
    60% of PS2 were sold in Japan after a similar price point.

    You see, casuals are not going to blindly buy consoles at high price points no matter what brand . They wait, and which next consoles will be cheapest , 360 and Wii and Sony will not get the PS3 price low enough in a short amount of time to appeal to the masses. They are screwed for a while at least. Hardcore will buy instantly but after that its al down hill at the price they are selling.

  • Stupid_Fat_Hobbit #253 6 years ago

    Nintendo have said fuck all for months and no-ones jumping on their back for it.

    It's better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

  • Steroyd #254 6 years ago

    the Sony lies are really coming out now.

    It's not exactly a lie if the UK boss actually started marketing the PS3 recently...

    People seem to forget the PS2, it's by no means obsolete just because it's old tech it's got a very good holiday line-up more broad and more appealing than the Xbox 360's IMO.

    The PS2 might save Sony's arse in this case.

  • #255 6 years ago

    I don't think so Steroyd, though your positive tones are uplifting to this thread. Keep it up lad, keep it up.

  • mingster #256 6 years ago

    I can't see developers bothering to rush products out the door for the PS3 until the installed user base is larger.

    Therfore don't expect anything decent to be released until they have at least shipped a million plus units...

  • lefizz #257 6 years ago

    If they think a 5 year old peice of hardware will help them in the next gen fight they are in for a shock. Serioulsy at christmas some people will be playing game like Gear of War which to me looks close to a peice of realtime CG. And you can get the unit to play it on for £199. MS are gonna clean up this christmas.

    Other poor sods are gonna be stuck with what ever crap EA throws up on the PS2

  • the_dudefather #258 6 years ago

    @ Steroyd
    (imagines a parent glueing a black shoebox to the back of a slimline PS2 and drawing a '3' over the '2' and hoping the kids dont notice the difference)

  • AcidSnake #259 6 years ago

    @Steroyd:
    Right, that's a viable alternative as well :)
    Roll on subsistence Damnit!

    Ok, let's try this:
    Who wanted a PS3 and will be getting another next/new gen console instead after this delay?

  • JediMasterMalik #260 6 years ago

    I think Okami will be better then Gears of War.

  • lefizz #261 6 years ago

    Fair enough i just aint sure its a mass market game which is what we are talking about

  • Razzajazz #262 6 years ago

    Anyone know that the all-time record for comments is? Will this be a monumental day in EG's history? Is there enough Sony bile and vitriol to push onwards?

    We can do it, people!

  • JediMasterMalik #263 6 years ago

    I will still be getting a PS3. I'm not buying the system because of Sony. That would be dumb. I'm buying it because I fell the purchase is justified and the games will be great.

  • coxyefc #264 6 years ago

    PS2 might save Sonys arse? I dont think so at all. Looking at the games coming out for it, there is nothing that you can say will outgun gears of war , pro evo 6 next gen and of course the nintendo wii.

    Sony are arrogant, and yes I planned on getting a PS3 but I am happy with my xbox 360 at the moment and will probably stick with that if i dont like what the wii has to offer and I honestly cannot see them outdoing Microsoft this time. It seems some people in this country just buy Playstation because of the name...Playstation. People dont explore other avenues , it is ok to have more than one console you know? You fanboys are embarrassing. GROW UP
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 11:49

  • consignia #265 6 years ago

    What have Steve Irwin and the PS3 have in common?

    Both have been stung to death by Rays.

  • Azazel #266 6 years ago

    BAN THIS SICK FILTH

  • lefizz #267 6 years ago

    which game exactlly are you looking foward too. I have a 360 and would certainly pre-order a PS3 if i could find something that i fanceied palying on it. Much like the PSP, and i aint buy one of those just for Locoroco either.

  • coxyefc #268 6 years ago

    MGS4, nothing else on the console interests me.

  • lefizz #269 6 years ago

    Exactly and i never got on with metal gear apart from the first on PS1
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 11:53

  • rinoaMW #270 6 years ago

    "What have Steve Irwin and the PS3 have in common?

    Both have been stung to death by Rays. "

    thats low - Steve Irwin is a BIG loss to the world - whereas (and lets face it) the PS3 isn't.....

  • Pac #271 6 years ago

    @JediMasterMalik

    Any idea when it will be released in the UK?

    Reviewers are going nuts over it!

    Okami - I mean
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 11:56

  • Wobble #272 6 years ago

    I'm surprised the George Foreman Grill marketing people haven't picked up on this yet..

    'Dissapointed you couldn't get an ugly bit of hardware in time for christmas? Now you still can!'

    They could add in a 'fat tilt senseing device' or something and then advertise in the Spiderman font too. At the least it would confuse the hell out of 'the chav on the street' or whoever it is that constitutes the majority of the PS2 fanbase.

  • Skooch #273 6 years ago

    Oh dear Sony, you only announced a WW launch at E3, and few months down the line it's all gone wrong. What a shame your overpriced console won't be seen in Europe for another 4 months! NOT!

    Now back to my 360 and Dead Rising and XBL etc.

    Muhahahahahah!

  • Machiavel #274 6 years ago

    What have Steve Irwin and the PS3 have in common?

    Both have been stung to death by Rays.

    I thought both sought the company of smelly, reactionary creatures of low intelligence in order to severely piss them off!

    /is doomed ;)

  • tobi #275 6 years ago

    im really angry right now!

  • space_ace #276 6 years ago

    wtf
    haha
    sony...

  • andyk #277 6 years ago

    How about MS do a 360 one day special on 17 Nov, say knock off £50 on both bundles. I haev £500 saved thats itching to be spent.

  • JediMasterMalik #278 6 years ago

    These are the games I am looking forward to for the PS3 exclusively:

    Heavenly Sword
    Resistance Fall of Man
    Lair
    AC4 (maybe)
    DMC4
    MGS4, obviously
    FF games
    Tekken 6
    MotorStorm

  • Dirtbox #279 6 years ago

    At least they'll be there when it launches!

  • TwistidChimp #280 6 years ago

    @ Pac

    Okami = Feb 2007 I think
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 12:07

  • Yossarian #281 6 years ago

    yay, drop down box. let's push for 400 people

  • #282 6 years ago

    Oh no, gaming will never recover from this massively damaging announcement, because as we all know, gaming is nothing without sony, and next gen doesn't happen until they say it does.

    What's that? No one is panicking? Didn't think so....

  • Ace_McCloud #283 6 years ago

    Wankers...

    @ JediMaster, are those actually the games you're looking forward to, or the only games that are exclusively Sony? (Maybe)

  • getinthereson #284 6 years ago

    Right let's have a sweepstake for the number of comments by 5:32pm today. I'm going for 456.

    On topic, I took great glee this morning in asking my sony-loving boss what Xbox 360 games he's going to be buying. :)

  • Steroyd #285 6 years ago

    PS2 might save Sonys arse? I dont think so at all. Looking at the games coming out for it, there is nothing that you can say will outgun gears of war , pro evo 6 next gen and of course the nintendo wii.

    Oh there's only Kingdom Hearts 2, Yakuza, Canis Canem Edit, Disgaea 2, Metal Gear Solid Subsistance, Okami, Pro Evo 6 (which looks to play the same as the "next gen" versions but wins out because of the dual shock).

    Then for next year you've got FFXII, God of War 2.... damn my failing memory.

    One game doesn't sell a system but a bunch does. ;)

  • toy_brain #286 6 years ago

    Oh well, means a cheap christmas for myself and parents of spoiled children everywhere.
    Martin Lewis will be pleased.

  • lefizz #287 6 years ago

    Fair enough if there are games on the PS3 launch lineup that grad you go for it............ Or rather don't.

    However after getting my PS2 on launch day and playing nothing but ssx and dvd on it for almost a year i think Ill wait on the PS3 this time. The first 6 motnsh of 360 were so good i fail to see how the PS£ could comapre. Oblivion was amazing as was PGR3, GRAW was decent, plus loads of cool stuff live aracde ( just avoid the arcade remakes) ok PDZ was shite but in general it was way exceed my expectations

  • SeesThroughAll #288 6 years ago

    Just a Wii for me, then

  • brainbird #289 6 years ago

    "Maybe MS should go for the kill and lower the 360 price this xmas?
    Can't see it though."

    Well, they have the perfect reason now NOT to do it. Unfortunately.

  • Freek #290 6 years ago

    Shhhhhssss, quite down everybody. You hear that? Softly in the backround? Sort of roaring, noisy, music.
    I think MS Europe is holding a party.

  • manic_mouse #291 6 years ago

    Yes the PS2 will sell well this Xmas. And it will give Sony a bit of a boost. However not a single one of those PS2 sales will help the PS3.

  • The_Foo_Fighter #292 6 years ago

    This is my comment.

  • JediMasterMalik #293 6 years ago

    @Ace yes those are games I am looking forward to. There are loads more exclusives, but I don't care for all of them. Of course there are still more games I would add to the lsit, just can't think of them at the moment.

  • smelly #294 6 years ago

    I want to be number 325!!!

  • varsas #295 6 years ago

    A bunch of footie titles. (some for cheap)
    Dead Rising
    Gears of War
    Oblivion (cheap version)
    Condemned (cheap version)
    PGR3 (cheap version)
    CoD2 (cheap version)
    CoD3
    Splinter Cell
    Halo 3
    Assassin's Creed
    A bunch of others

    What are the bunch of others? Not many good games on 360 if budget versions need to be listed....I've not been following the 360 closely but nothing really has stood out on the console...it's all just the same titles with prettier graphics and not many at that...it doesn't look like MS are making the most of things at the moment.
    Edited by 2 at 06/09/06 @ 12:25

  • chupachups #296 6 years ago

    "I'm surprised the George Foreman Grill marketing people haven't picked up on this yet.. "

    The PS3 does look a bit like a grill now you mention it! I can just imagine lifting the curvy lid to reveal salmon steaks, chicken breasts and courgette slices.


    "Oh dear Sony, you only announced a WW launch at E3, and few months down the line it's all gone wrong. What a shame your overpriced console won't be seen in Europe for another 4 months! NOT! "

    It's worse than that, at E3 2005 they announced a worldwide launch date of Spring 2006.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 12:24

  • #297 6 years ago

    @ varsas

    My advice? Play on it.

    "What are the bunch of others? Not many good games on 360 if budget versions need to be listed....I've not been following the 360 closely"

    i was remarking for someone who walks into a shop come lauch will have facing them from each console. Cheap, good (not amazing I grant) titles do really attract the masses.
    Perhaps you don't live in the real world where price, availability and range (of games) are king for 90% of consumers.

    Oh yeah, you may want to add in XBL, XBLA, XBLM, etc. What are Sony doing for you there?

    And I think you have to be honest. Come Nov 06 and expecially March 07, the 360 lineup will look a hellova lot better than the PS3.

    EDIT: And add to that the massive difference in price too.
    Edited by 2 at 06/09/06 @ 12:32

  • captainrentboy #298 6 years ago

    I love how the folk that were anxiously waiting for the PS3's November launch are now saying ''ohh it's ok,it ummm gives me longer to save..'' What a load of bollocks,just admit that Sony have fucked us Europeans over again,don't make out that them delaying its launch is actually doing you a favour you silly buggers.
    And I could be wrong,but earlier in the year didn't one of the Sony bigwigs say us Europeans have nothing to worry about as our consoles will be first off of the production line.Haha,yeah riight.

  • Steroyd #299 6 years ago

    It's worse than that, at E3 2005 they announced a worldwide launch date of Spring 2006.

    No this is worse Sony only said "Spring 2006" way back when.

    Okay so i say "Yes Sony screwed me over yet again" what am i going to do?

    Buy a Xbox 360 even though i think all the games are shit?

  • spongebob #300 6 years ago

    @repetition:
    Actually you're wrong. It's not the consoles people are insulting here. It's not that people are beating those "shiny toys" with something or cursing them. Most of the fanboys here are saying the things they say because they're mocking the other fanboys. It's racism by proxy.

  • varsas #301 6 years ago

    @jamesphilp: No need to get uptight matel I'm not a Sony fanboy. I have played on the 360 and there's nothing on there that makes it stand out as a better console than a PS2 right now. All that really differentiates it is the graphical prowess.

    Please feel free to point out games with multiple new features that make significant changes to existing gameplay conventions that can only be done on 360 excluding graphics improvements.

    Assuming you can't actually do that then assuming Sony promote the PS2 well enough then I don't see them really worrying too much about MS's lead. I mean why pay so much for a console and it's games that doesn't do anything new?

    Additionally are you seriously saying that XBLA budget games are the main selling point for the £200+ xbox360?
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 12:37

  • #302 6 years ago

    Well steroyd, you're entitled to your opinion, but it really is incorrect.

    Oblivion is not shit by any means.
    Neither are PGR3, COD2, Condemned, Dead Rising, (hopefully) GoW, GRAW.
    Millions of people can't be wrong. Hey, they may not blow your socks off, but they are fun, interesting and solid games.


    EDIT:
    @ varsas
    How about any game that uses XBL?
    How about live arcade or maketplace?
    How about Table Tennis?

    Again, please point out a PS3 launch title that does the same.
    PDZ is shit though.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 12:37

  • Skooch #303 6 years ago

    "Oh there's only Kingdom Hearts 2, Yakuza, Canis Canem Edit, Disgaea 2, Metal Gear Solid Subsistance, Okami, Pro Evo 6 (which looks to play the same as the "next gen" versions but wins out because of the dual shock)"

    Wow, this list really makes me want to dig out my PS2 and stop playing Dead Rising, GRAW, Prey and COD2 on my 360. Oh, and don't even get me started on the dual shock...

  • #304 6 years ago

    Steroyd wrote:

    Okay so i say "Yes Sony screwed me over yet again" what am i going to do?

    Buy a Xbox 360 even though i think all the games are shit?

    By all means hold off till March, good luck getting a PS3 even then. Meanwhile the rest of us will be enjoying some great games.

  • kangarootoo #305 6 years ago

    @varsas

    Do you honestly not think XBLive is an awesome service? I don't play online that much myself, but the fact you can download demos, trailers and full games is pretty amazing for a console.

    Though I conceded it does come down to the games in the end and my particular tastes in that area mean the 360 serves me pretty well. If I didn't like the games, would I value XBLive enough to offset that? perhaps not.

  • kangarootoo #306 6 years ago

    @jamesphilips

    "Well steroyd, you're entitled to your opinion, but it really is incorrect."

    LOL, do you not realise how writing that makes you look. You are talking about whether games are good or not. That is a wholly subjective subject, so get down off your throne.

    "Millions of people can't be wrong"

    Of COURSE they can, but as I said, there is no right and wrong here.

  • cooper #307 6 years ago

    it's 100% clear to me the PS2 will have the best lineup during the next few months (see what Steroyd mentioned above, and more - and I still hope Xenosaga 3 gets a pal release).
    looks like many here don't like games very much, or are just blinded by their unconditional loyalty to a piece of plastic...

  • kangarootoo #308 6 years ago

    @cooper

    I can honestly say that I prefer the 360 to the PS2. And I'm pretty sure I'm not blinded by anything other than my personal tastes.

  • Skooch #309 6 years ago

    "PDZ is shit though."

    I would like to rephrase to - "PDZ is big pile of steaming shit". :D

  • TripleSeven #310 6 years ago

    Calm down ;)

  • #311 6 years ago

    Varsas

    Please list me a launch title of the PS3 that has "with multiple new features that make significant changes to existing gameplay conventions that can only be done on PS3 excluding graphics improvements."

    That's all I'm saying. - Walk into a shop at launch, look at the two - which look stronger from a software/services POV?

  • varsas #312 6 years ago

    @jamesphilp and kangarootoo: I like the Live service a lot but the other consoles will have similar services but I don't think being able to play retro games can be the main selling point, can it? The simple fact is that the catalogue is not broad enough yet so imho it would make more sense for non xbox fans to wait longer while MS drop the price.

    Out of interest what is the present sales figure for the 360 and the original xbox? Anyone know?

  • JonFE #313 6 years ago

    Thank God, there won't be an E3 2007 (in its known form, at least) for Sony to announce their PS3 US/EU launch in Summer/Fall '07...

  • kangarootoo #314 6 years ago

    Launch lists are always shite. We forget very quickly every single time, but I can't think of a console in living memory (and thats a fair while now) that had more than a handful of good games on launch.

  • JediMasterMalik #315 6 years ago

    Skooch, Okami will beat all those games to a pulp!

    Just because the PS2 is old, doesn't mean it hasn't got good games. Quite the opposite it would seem.

  • Skooch #316 6 years ago

    ""Well steroyd, you're entitled to your opinion, but it really is incorrect."

    LOL, do you not realise how writing that makes you look. You are talking about whether games are good or not. That is a wholly subjective subject, so get down off your throne."

    I think that all he was saying is that these titles have decent graphics, play well and provide a decent bit of fun - don't castrate the guy for semantics! He was making the point that calling them "shit" is hyperbole and that there's no need to exaggerate something just to make a point.

  • kangarootoo #317 6 years ago

    @varsas

    I'm not a particulary big fan of retro gaming. More often than not that sort of thing belongs safely in my memory rather than in the real world (where it often turns out to be shite in nostaliga's clothing). But XBLive does have far more going for it than SF2 and Smash TV.

    That said I'm not going to argue the toss with you on the issue, as no one can tell you you're wrong if you don't like something :)

  • JediMasterMalik #318 6 years ago


    Please list me a launch title of the PS3 that has "with multiple new features that make significant changes to existing gameplay conventions that can only be done on PS3 excluding graphics improvements."

    SingStar PS3?

  • varsas #319 6 years ago

    @jamesphilip: All I'm saying is why would anyone buy a 360 over a PS2 right now? The latter has a greater variety of games, their cheaper and you can play online. What makes 360 better? That's why originally posted, I wanted to find out what good games are out there and lined up because I don't really see that many and if MS don't ramp it up before PS3 comes out then will the lead mean a thing?

  • Skooch #320 6 years ago

    @ Jedi Master Malik

    Okami "Okami takes place in a time when people still believed in the existence of God. The world has become a lifeless place, as shown in the game's use of Hokusai-style Japanese woodblock print visuals. Playing as Ama Terasu, a sun god who takes on the form of a wolf, your goal is to bring life back to the world. Bringing life back to the world involves defeating lots of beasts. With each beast you defeat, the world's life force is restored just a bit, with colors and eventually people appearing. Famitsu reveals two of the game's main beasts, the Ama no Jyaku and the Nue. Ama no Jyaku has the ability to peep on what others are thinking and disturbs them by doing the opposite of what they want. Nue, meanwhile, gains strength with every sip of the alcohol that he carries with him"

    Wow - sounds unmissable. LOL.

  • HarryPalmer #321 6 years ago

    @faselei

    Subliminal: You must die. I hate you.

    Yeah the PS3's rubbish. i know it is because I've played it. In my head. It was fun for about 5 minutes then i just got bored with it, the lack of rumble functionality really is a downer, trust me guys dont bother. i;ve played it in my head.

  • zErOb_cOOl #322 6 years ago

    Good lord, never seen so many comments in one day! I really did see this coming though. And why "PS3 delayed in Europe"? Why not say it like it is. Something like "Planned PS3 launch in Europe still right on track for intended March release " would do fine.

  • kangarootoo #323 6 years ago

    @Skooch

    I know, I know. I just took the sentence on its own. All this fanboy (I used the word, I feel dirty) nonsense has got me all ready to pounce :)

    Its only gaming people. It doesn't really matter when all is said and done. Stress causes ill-health and thats a fact. Anyone who writes something along the lines of "You won't believe how angry this has made me" really needs to find some other stuff to care about, stuff that actually counts for something.

  • #324 6 years ago

    Oh, ok varsas, you want to know that, I see. Well let me think..

    Online service, including:
    Downloadable demos, videos, extra content, costomisation. Some free.
    User profile that tracks your gaming habits and allows other users to interact with you.
    Easy and stress-free onliine environment where you can play anyone anywhere.

    HD gaming.

    Wireless functionality.

    HD DVD expandability.

    Better current DVD playback.

    I could have expanded on the Live service a bit, but it starts to sound like gushing.

  • MaxiSleep #325 6 years ago

    Slowly over the years Sony has lost any respect I had for it.

    I used to be 100% sony, ( wega 100 hz, ps1 and 2 and psp on launch day. etc)

    But the fact is they have become a disaster. And their casual contempt for europe really takes the biscuit as far as I am concerned.

    For all you sony lovers - good luck. But dont dismiss the Wii and the 360 because of some irrational love for a company that clearly has become arrogant and incompetent in ways which defys belief.


  • varsas #326 6 years ago

    @kangarootoo: I don't dislike the 360, as a gamer how can I really hate any console? I'm really just wondering what makes it worth a purchase this Christmas. It seems like everyone is assuming MS will pull away with an assailable lead with a 2nd Christmas but to me the price and lack of titles won't really make that happen...thoughts?

  • thinktank #327 6 years ago

    "These are the games I am looking forward to for the PS3 exclusively:

    Heavenly Sword
    Resistance Fall of Man
    Lair
    AC4 (maybe)
    DMC4
    MGS4, obviously
    FF games
    Tekken 6
    MotorStorm"

    How many of those are actualy published or developed by sony?

    Tekken 6 and motorstorm, meh

    Kojima said it would be entirely possible to put MGS4 on 360 in a podcast.

    If MS realy wanted to strike the killer blow, they should be moving heaven and earth to get it and take away the only real reason left to get a PS3.

    How many 360 owners would buy MGS4? I know i would.

  • stonypoint #328 6 years ago

    Ok thats it. I never thought it would happen, but I'm buying a 360. And its 100% Sonys fault.

  • Stoatboy #329 6 years ago

    Yep - the PS2 sure does have a cracking line up, but that ain't gonna sell many units of hardware to people who wanted a PS3, if that's what's being suggested. Most of them will already have a PS2 anyway, and those that don't won't spend a large chunk of the cash on a PS2 to tide them over until March.

    The PS2 will sell loads this christmas, no doubt about that - but it will be to first time buyers, or as a second or third console. The PS3 delay is nothing to them.

    The people who wanted a PS3 though will either spend the money elsewhere, or wait to see if they can get one in March.

  • TurboBailey #330 6 years ago

    Good lord, never seen so many comments in one day! I really did see this coming though. And why "PS3 delayed in Europe"? Why not say it like it is. Something like "Planned PS3 launch in Europe still right on track for intended March release " would do fine.

    ummmm, this is EUROgamer
    Kinda important for europeans

  • Gamemaker #331 6 years ago

    @MaxiSleep
    "And their casual contempt for europe really takes the biscuit as far as I am concerned."

    Exactly what do you expect them to do? Pull blue diodes out of their ass? =)

  • sharpfish #332 6 years ago

    Ok some great titles out or headed for the 360 include:

    Gears Of War, GTAIV, Halo3, Bioshock, Forza 2, PGR3/4, Dead Rising, Alan Wake, The Darkness, GRAW, Oblivion, Alone in the dark, Lego Star Wars 2 (in HD!), Army Of Two and possibly Viva Pinata (if it's not Too childish and is up to scratch with animal xing)

    And there are others that are further off that look good. Point is the 360 is HERE TODAY, it's relatively CHEAP the hardware is nice, the controllers are great (and they have rumble) the online service is the best one going, Achievements are cool, it has plenty of exclusives and virtually all of the decent 3rd party multi format games.

    On top of this the devs are really starting to get to grips with it so the 2nd and 3rd wave of matured software will be hitting the 360 by/just after march and these will be compared to the "just starting out" PS3 games.

    So, grabbing a Wii or 360 for xmas (or just a Wii if you already have a 360) is a great way of enjoying a vast range of games for less money on good hardware.

    The PS3 has to prove it self over the next year and IF they come good and release great versions of their first party exclusives I too will be looking to buy one... not before, and not before a big price cut.

    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 12:59

  • #333 6 years ago

    I may buy a PS2 for Guitar Hero, Katamari, and a few others I always wished I'd played.
    Stanger things have happened.

    Actually, I want a PS2 more than a PS3!?

    varsas (or anyone else) don't get me wrong - I like the PS2 and the PS3 will be fine - it's the games I'm not to hot on for the PS3. Nothing really stands out that I won't be able to get on the ol 360.

    EDIT: @ sharpfish - well said, +1
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 13:01

  • chupachups #334 6 years ago

    "Why not say it like it is. Something like "Planned PS3 launch in Europe still right on track for intended March release " would do fine."

    Because Sony had announced it for a European release in November 2006?
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 12:58

  • Skooch #335 6 years ago

    @varsas. For me, I would get a 360 this Christmas (if I didn't already have one) for Dead Rising and Gears of War. Dead Rising is one of the most imaginative and fun games I have played and is just really, really darn good. Whatever people say about Gears of War just being "another shooter" the game mechanics are different to say Halo or COD2 and you really have to play in a different way. Run 'n' gun does NOT work and I am hoping for some imaginative online gameplay. Those two titles really will knock your socks off and throw into the mix PES6, Oblivion, Prey the 360 does have a good lineup, although as always it is just my opinion.

  • varsas #336 6 years ago

    @jamesphilip:
    Online service, including:Downloadable demos, videos, extra content, costomisation. Some free. User profile that tracks your gaming habits and allows other users to interact with you. Easy and stress-free onliine environment where you can play anyone anywhere.

    A more accessible online service. Ok.

    HD gaming.

    I don't have HD yet and I don't think it has a lot of penetration yet.

    Wireless functionality.

    You can get wireless controllers on other consoles.

    HD DVD expandability.

    What's the price on this? Another £100?...

    Better current DVD playback.

    Hmm....

    From this...I can't really see how MS are going to just walk all over Sony in the next few months before the PS3 launch...this is just me being objective.

    What AAA titles are in the pipeline?

  • WhyMeeeeee #337 6 years ago

    microsoft +5000 kudos for having the guts to release worldwide

  • JediMasterMalik #338 6 years ago

    Yeh skooch it does sound unmissable : http://ww w.metacritic.com/games/platform...

  • The12thMonkey #339 6 years ago

    @Gamemaker

    As far as the readers on PlayStation.com are concerned, I bet they reckon Sony chould shit Tiffany Cufflinks if they wanted to.

  • JDub #340 6 years ago

    Ah, I'd been waiting to get near the top of the page...EDIT: That many posts written while I was faffing about?!? :)

    Well, not really surprised, although as a PS2 early adopter (still have original machine), I was keen, but going to wait and have a play on the PS3 before making any decisions.

    I was loaned a 360 for a couple of weeks a few months back and thought it was a great machine, if noisy. So I guess all of this allow MS to really beef up their argument and play their hand - with a lot more time to do it...Live is an excellent service as well.

    On the other hand, there are still good PS2 titles to get - and also, I've been eyeing up a DSLite, so as said, still plenty of options, not forgetting the Wii.

    PS3 delay on Sky News right now...LOL
    I reckon 850x posts by 6pm.
    I think the nits have almost gone. Oh, there's one....

    /whaaaccckkkk!!

    Gotcha!!
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 12:59

  • chupachups #341 6 years ago

    "HD DVD expandability."
    "What's the price on this? Another £100?... "

    The price of a 360 and HD-DVD is the same as the price of a PS3 with blu-ray. The difference is that the HD-DVD on the 360 is optional, whereas the blu-ray on the PS3 is compulsory, which is useless to me because I don't have a HDTV.

  • Steroyd #342 6 years ago

    By all means hold off till March, good luck getting a PS3 even then. Meanwhile the rest of us will be enjoying some great games.

    wow did you not look at my list much?

    Thanks i'll be having fun on my Sony-hasn't-cut-off-the-support-for-the-PS2.

    It's funny but it's like the PS2 doesn't exist and doesn't have any new exciting fun looking games.

    Oh that's right it doesn't output in HD.

    microsoft +5000 kudos for having the guts to release worldwide

    And the shitstorm that followed.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 13:02

  • thinktank #343 6 years ago

    "lack of titles won't really make that happen...thoughts?"

    This really get my goat,

    GRAW, PGR3, COD2, COD3, Brothers in arms HH, Rainbow six vegas, Fight Night Round 3, Oblivion, GOW!!!, FIFA07, PES6, Smackdown07, TDU, Dead rising, Saints row, Crackdown, SC:DA, Need for Speed carbon, sonic, FEAR, Haze, Medal of honour airbourne, Football manager07, Army of two

    All b4 xmas, then....

    Lost planet, Forza 2, stranglehold, mass effect, Half life2 + team fortress, Alan wake, alone in the dark,

    After xmas, and im sure i missed some out, So how is that a poor line up????

    infact what other system can boast that?

  • varsas #344 6 years ago

    @Skooch: Dead Rising looks interesting althought it seems a pretty conventional game on a larger scale. As you said yourself Gears of War might be considered another shooter. PES6 I can get on PS2, Oblivion I can get on PC, Prey...another FPS...anything else? :)

  • JDub #345 6 years ago

    PSSST!!

    /whispers

    Anyone wanna buy some blue diodes?

    /scurries off...

  • Bennicus #346 6 years ago

    I'm not posting until this thread reaches 1336 comments, get to it chaps!

  • kangarootoo #347 6 years ago

    @varsas

    Dead Rising man!! :) If you haven't played the demo I heartily suggest you give it a whirl. It has a few demo type issues (slide show after each game, time limit, annoying early ending if you go the wrong way) but its still great fun in small chunks.

    Oblivion is also still a truly fantastic title if you are even remotely interested in that sort of thing (and plenty of non-RPG fans totally love it, so I would give it a nosey even if you have an allergy to wizards).

    I actually don't think MS will shoot ahead this Xmas. These things always take a while to settle. In a couple of years no-one will care either way about this delay and whichever console is on top will have got there regardless of this minor upset.

    Ah, reading on it seems Skooch makes the same recommendations, so there you go :)

  • captain-future #348 6 years ago

    I never expected that they would lunch before 2007 in Europe.

    To Sony "Europe" means 2nd class customers who have to pay more than other territories and get products later (PSP 6 months!!! shame!).

    So I'm not surprised, also I never planed to get a PS3 before next year because no launch game sparked my interest.

    So no harm done except that bitter taste of "I was right and Sony treats us like shyte".

  • Yossarian #349 6 years ago

    hmmmmmm

    http://i1 4.photobucket.com/albums/a343/i...

  • varsas #350 6 years ago

    @chupachups: The price of a 360 and HD-DVD is the same as the price of a PS3 with blu-ray. The difference is that the HD-DVD on the 360 is optional, whereas the blu-ray on the PS3 is compulsory, which is useless to me because I don't have a HDTV.

    Isn't the HD drive going to be compulsory when the software moves to HD? Or is the drive purely for movie playback?

    @thinktank: A lot of those titles can be bought CROSS PLATFORM. I'm clearly asking about titles that make 360 more appealing than PS2 excluding graphical improvements.
    Edited by 2 at 06/09/06 @ 13:10

  • kangarootoo #351 6 years ago

    @varsas

    Ah, didn't realise you were a PC gamer too. That does change things as from my point of view the 360 shares more with the PC in terms of the type of game turning up on it. In fact it was the original XB that made me finally cross over from PC to console gaming for that very reason.

  • kangarootoo #352 6 years ago

    How many new posts will appear in the time it takes me to go buy lunch I wonder.

  • Razzajazz #353 6 years ago

    I remember a time, not so long ago, when EG ran their console impressions after E3 2005. The PS3 was going to shit all over everything! The thing that just blows my mind is how Sony could take so much positive reaction, and turn it negative!

    I mean, seriously, I don't think one person/company could make such an amazing line of fuck-ups if they even tried. It's got to the stage where the average person could even psychically see these fuck-ups coming!

    How many people here have said "I knew they were planning to delay PS3 all along"? Everyone could see it coming!

    The only thing I can guess is that Sony have some sort of anti-PR department for some unknown reason, and they have been working overtime! I loved my PS1 and PS2, but goddamn, they are doing their absolute best to make the PS3 as unappealing to me as possible!

  • faselei #354 6 years ago

    @Harry

    Oh thanks for the heads up!

    No but seriously, i feel bad for Sony, compotition is a good thing, if Sony really do screw this one up, then theres less of that.

    But i meant it, i'm upgrading the PC and getting a Wii, that means i use up my bi-annual techno budget and so i wont be buying a PS3 for at two years :(

  • #355 6 years ago

    @ varsas
    you seem set on just ignoring people.
    Dead Rising
    GoW
    Halo 3

    There you go.

    As has been said though, people buy on bredth of games, not just quality, and so all the multi-platform titles count too. When you consider that they will play and most likely look identical on all platforms, spending £150+ more on the console alone to play games like Assassins Creed, HL2 (& extras) and all the others will look mighty ugly.

    BTW I believe HD penetration to be not insignificant these days (after HD world cup broadcasts)

  • sharpfish #356 6 years ago

    All this BS about PS2 being a great/viable purchase this xmas.

    Most people in line to buy a 360/Wii or PS3 either already have a "last gen" console, are pumped up for NEW experiences with HD gaming or New fangled controls and are not about to ask for a years old console just because of a few aliased looking games.

    It may not be right that it doesn't just come to down to games (and the PS2 is a bargain and would make a great present with it's vast library for someone on a budget or a younger relative) but face facts: This "discussion" is about "next gen" and all the hype and arrogance Sony poured on the debates has come back to bite them in the ass. Yes PS2 has more "great games" than XBox 360 in the same way Gamecube has more great games than the PSP, problem is they are different generations and to the average joe on the street he isn't going to invest any money right now in a "dying" console. The reason it's viable to buy a 360 NOW is because it does have games and there will be massive support over the coming years.

    The PS2 is NO substitute for the 360, It was barely a substitue for the Cube and the original Xbox for a lot of discerning gamers. PS2 is "good n all" but this Xmas people want NEW hardware. I have a 360 and will be picking up a Wii if it makes it before xmas, if not then after. The difference is I'm not blindly holding out for Sony to appease me till some mythical future date and am enjoying new games NOW. PGR3 sat in front of a 32" HD TV is light years ahead of anything else around just now.

  • Frogger #357 6 years ago


    Nothing to say...

    I just want to say that I was here the day Sony died. History, you know. Being part of it...

  • Xephon70 #358 6 years ago

    I've been out running and exercising...did I miss anything?

  • kangarootoo #359 6 years ago

    "How many new posts will appear in the time it takes me to go buy lunch I wonder."

    Only 8? /disappointed.

  • thinktank #360 6 years ago

    @varsa

    OK alot of them do come out on PC, but not every one has the rig to power them, if you can get a pc £199 that will make Oblivion or any other PC/360 cross platform game look as good as 360 then you know about some magical computer store that i don't.

    OK i get what your saying about next gen enhancements.

    Gears of war, army of two, new anounced kane and lynch, all have XBL drop in co op play,

    Mass effect is on another level to anything else when conveying emotion and story in a FPS.

    Dead rising and Assasin creed use crowds dynamics which were impossible last gen.

    half life 2's episodic content, Forza's shear scope and physics, then all the mention PC games that u just simply wont get to run on £200 pc.


  • varsas #361 6 years ago

    @jamesphilip:I'm not ignoring; I've already acknowledged Dead Rising, GoW. Halo 3...another FPS? Better than HL2 on PC?

    spending £150+ more on the console alone to play games like Assassins Creed, HL2 (& extras) and all the others will look mighty ugly.

    Hmm...this is my question, is it worth spending £150 more on the console when the exclusive titles are so few and far between especially AAA titles...it's not like the PS2 doesn't have exclusive titles too.

    BTW I believe HD penetration to be not insignificant these days (after HD world cup broadcasts)

    It's certainly a future proofing plus point for potential 360 buyers.

    I'm sorry if I offended anyone I'm just curious, with regards to the 360 scene, to see what makes it better from a gamer's perspective over other consoles. From this perspective I just don't see 360 doing so much better this Christmas than everything else...in fact I wonder how the DS Lite will do...

  • chupachups #362 6 years ago

    "The thing that just blows my mind is how Sony could take so much positive reaction, and turn it negative!"

    More than anything else, the price and the mediocre showing at E3 2006 did the damage.

    The cost of the PS3 turned out to be far higher than the cost of the 360, yet the games didn't really look or play any different.

    The high price isn't because of the games side of things, it's because Sony wants to bounce people into getting Blu-ray players, despite most people not owning HDTVs to use them with.

  • Yossarian #363 6 years ago

    come on 400!

  • kangarootoo #364 6 years ago

    @greggywocky

    Have you played the demo? I personally found the driving physics a bit off, but thats just my own take. Everything else about it looked very cool. Worth a nosey at the demo if you haven't already, just to be safe.

  • Luigi #365 6 years ago

    As usual, a big we don't give a f*** to the european market. Let's just send leftovers. Thanx, i'll buy a Wii or a Xbox360.

  • chupachups #366 6 years ago

    399...

    EDIT: 400! Yes, this incredible milestone has shown just what amazingly mature discussions can take place in the brief period between Sony admitting the shite has hit the fan and their fans/haters rushing to the keyboard in frustration/elation.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 13:22

  • zoidberg #367 6 years ago

    400 - 401... goddamn it, this is a good day for EG.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 13:36

  • kangarootoo #368 6 years ago

    @varsas

    "I'm sorry if I offended anyone I'm just curious"

    Don't bloody apologise to anyone mate. Some people just don't like questions as they sometimes mess with strongly held beliefs. Information is good, end of story.

  • Eighthours #369 6 years ago

    Ellie was just this second on BBC News!!

    And, hilariously, they intercut Killzone trailer footage with some guy waving the Dual Shock 3 around as if he was playing it.

    IDIOTS.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 13:26

  • Lawlost #370 6 years ago

    Ok has anyone thought of the implications this will have for the launch of the Wii ? I bet MS are p***ed off that they dropped the price of the 360 and Ninty are probably reconsidering the launch price. I bet Ninty saw this coming and that is why they have delayed their announcement.

  • manic_mouse #371 6 years ago

    Was just about to post that Eighthours, including the bit about Killzone!

  • dr_zoidthrob #372 6 years ago

    Just seen Ellie on the BBC 1 O'clock news... pwhooor!

    oh, and good luck Sony, it's looking like you might need it (although, that Playstation name carries a hell of a lot of weight)

  • robrymond #373 6 years ago

    Wow, Ellie unvealed on BBC News.

  • CrunchinJelly #374 6 years ago

    "I bet MS are p***ed off that they dropped the price of the 360"

    They dropped £10 off the Core price...
    Edited by 2 at 06/09/06 @ 13:25

  • Lawlost #375 6 years ago

    £10 they probably did not need to drop it by though....

  • manic_mouse #376 6 years ago

    "They dropped £10 off the Core price..."

    I expect the Premium will drop to £250 after Christmas. They might even drop the Core another tenner to compete against the Wii.

  • varsas #377 6 years ago

    @thinktank: You have a excellent point there that you are getting great graphical performance at a fraction of the price thus opening up PC games to a great market. However doesn't anyone else think that this reliance on PC games will stop MS from taking 1st place?

    Perhaps it's because I've been playing games for so long that I like the console specific and japanese type games more...I like western games a lot...Civ, WoW etc...but still...

  • chupachups #378 6 years ago

    Microsoft are losing vast amounts of money on every 360 sold even at current prices. They're not in it for the profit, they're in it to dominate the market so they can start promoting all kinds of download services and media standards.

  • kangarootoo #379 6 years ago

    "Wow, Ellie unvealed on BBC News"

    Does that mean that her pockets were searched and any discovered pale meat products were confiscated?

  • manic_mouse #380 6 years ago

    "Microsoft are losing vast amounts of money on every 360 sold even at current prices. They're not in it for the profit, they're in it to dominate the market so they can start promoting all kinds of download services and media standards."

    They lose money on the hardware, certainly. However they make money on every 360 game sold, even moreso on first party titles.

  • kangarootoo #381 6 years ago

    @chupachups

    Ah, someone else shares my vision of the future :) Its all about MS passport.

  • SergioAguero #382 6 years ago

    Well. My plans haven't changed. I'll buy a 360 and play Pro Evo 6 on it next month.

    Looking ahead to 2009. More HDTV's will be installed in the UK and Microsoft will have had much to learn from the bullshit shannagans of Sony.

    And they may well come out with a ideal solution for Xbox720- single SKU, dual HD drive (if blue ray hasn't imploded), and a good price £325, or even a HDD based console with 300 gb - could be easier to manufacture a console withOUT any type of optical drive?

    Here's hoping Wii is a MAJOR phenom this Christmas because the Sony saga - and actually a lot of this HD thing - are getting soooooo fucking boring anyway!
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 13:33

  • Yossarian #383 6 years ago

    pics of Ellie plz

  • brainbird #384 6 years ago

    F5.

    F5.

    F5.

  • JetSetWilly #385 6 years ago

    EG can you put Ellie's BBC stint up on Eurogamer TV?

  • varsas #386 6 years ago

    I expect the Premium will drop to £250 after Christmas. They might even drop the Core another tenner to compete against the Wii

    Given this PS3 announcement I don't think that MS will bother with any price drops for a while...unless Nintendo bring in Wii at a ludicriously low price point with a good selection of games cheaper than 360 titles.

  • Yossarian #387 6 years ago

    "Microsoft are losing vast amounts of money on every 360 sold even at current
    prices."

    pretty sure this isn't true. reportedly the 360 sells at a loss of something like $100. they turn profit as soon as somebody buys a bundle with two games

  • rauper Verified Managing Director, Eurogamer Network #388 6 years ago

    Dirtbox from the forum is YouTube-ing it I think...

  • kangarootoo #389 6 years ago

    @greggywocky

    Lag seems to vary so much from game to game, but with something like TD where online is absolutely core to the concept I would hope that they have spent plenty of time getting it sharp.

    From what I can tell, lag issues tend to have more to do with the code of any given title than the XBLive service itself. I'm not really a driving game person, but the concept of TD really appeals, so I may actually end up getting it one day (after a cautionary rental of course).

  • DrDamn #390 6 years ago

    @Vargas
    "I'm just curious, with regards to the 360 scene, to see what makes it better from a gamer's perspective over other consoles."

    To me it is the Live integration. Seemless and stunning when considered. Makes a good console a great one. Not just friends lists but game invites, checking what games your friends are playing, their achievements. Downloading demos, content etc. It is the most complete and well thought out gaming system I have ever owned.

  • zoidberg #391 6 years ago

    Anyway, my 2 cents.

    Sony have screwed up. They relied on that UNTESTED and UNPROVEN tech Blue Ray, and it buried them even further. Their PS3 has 2005-2006 tech, yet it's coming out in mid 2007. Naturally, you won't find one until autumn 2007 by which time, the 360 and the Wii have established themselves as the choice consoles.

    And I can't stand all that empty arrogance about the PS3. Even from E3 2005 they were the Kings of Next Gen and now...

    I have to hand it to Gates, for he did forsee this... If the PS3 launches when Halo 3 is released, they will lose a lot of sales. Sure, they can ship the consoles, but when you have a console like the 360, with a proven track-record, great games (including Halo 3 and GTA IV on its way, plus the football thing) and that's 200 euros cheaper. People are gonna need a think.

    However, Microsoft is up on next-next-gen PC gaming, which is where I'm spending my money. Vista and DirectX 10 will bring changes so drastic that "next-gen" consoles will look a bit daft. I've postponed buying the current top-graphics card in my wait for a DirectX 10-card. Not to mention the versatility of the PC gaming scene.

    The PS3, according to Ken, begins mass-production at the end of September! Doesn't that seem a little too close to release date?

    Also, the PS3 has developer-weary hardware. Some developers complained that the cell was too hard to dev for and praised the 360 for its easy-going PC-like architecture.

    Let's not forget what would happen if Microsoft decided to cut the Xbox 360 price even more (core and/or premium)?

    There's one more thing. Sony haven't got the slightest idea how to run a service like XBL. Yesterday, I downloaded their first "promo-movie" at a constant speed of 7KB/s. I have broadband, so the fault is with their server, which can't handle one day's worth of traffic. I wonder how their infrastructure would cope with something like XBL. My guess is it's going to be the disappointment that Steam was in their first 3 months. And Nintendo haven't won this side either with the Wii.

    So, a PC and probably a Wii for Christmas then.

    EDIT: spell
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 13:38

  • kangarootoo #392 6 years ago

    @Yossarian

    The profit on two games in't the same as their retail price though. I believe the norm for PS2 was 7 games over its life before a profit starting coming in. Thats very general though even for the PS2 and can't be literally applied to any other console.

    I don't think MS ever made overall profit on the original XB. Losses in the millions I understodd (unless you see it as long term investment of course, which I do).

  • Yossarian #393 6 years ago

    one fundamental thing about Live I hate: the closer to the west coast of the US you are the better ping you get. by the time you cross the Atlantic you can tack 100-200+ ms onto what the Americans you are playing against are getting. very noticeable in twitchy shooters like Halo 2.

    everything else is golden.

  • kangarootoo #394 6 years ago

    "It is the most complete and well thought out gaming system I have ever owned"

    Seconded. The continuity of the service is pretty stunning.

  • LarryLoxley #395 6 years ago

    This is tedious. Sony have screwed up, but it isn't the end as some have predicted. It gives MS and Ninty an opportunity for a larger market share. It makes this whole "war" a little bit more interesting. And what's all this petty point scoring and snide remarks that seems ever present on here. Where's the love people?

  • Yossarian #396 6 years ago

    yeah, the original Xbox was a disaster because it was basically built like a PC with off the shelf parts that cost MS ridiculous amounts of money (although interestingly it had the highest attach rate of software of the three consoles last-gen, which might have helped offset that). but there were various articles around the launch of the 360 revealing how much Microsoft had learned from the Xbox hardware ass-raping to cut costs on production and make the thing more financially viable.

  • thinktank #397 6 years ago

    @varsas

    No i think it was entirely their point to make the 360 very similar to the PC to develop for, the point being that porting was easy alowing you to instantly increase the amount of games on your platform with out having to get a load more third parties involved.

    Those who spend £1000 on high spec gaming pcs are a completely different market to those who play games on their £200 -280 360. I doubles the potential user base of game from the devs POV and increases the game variety on both platforms.

    This explains their Live anywhere move, which is an effort to bring together the 360 and pc market while at the same time apealing to different audiences.

    360 is a MS product and windows is a MS product, they effectively have have two gaming platforms out which easy for to devs to port between which proving to be very appealing. Proven by the shear amount of quality pc titles the 360 is getting.

    Its really clever i think.

    edit- spelling and typing fast is my downfall
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 13:43

  • LarryLoxley #398 6 years ago

    This is tedious. Sony have screwed up, but it isn't the end as some have predicted. It gives MS and Ninty an opportunity for a larger market share. It makes this whole "war" a little bit more interesting. And what's all this petty point scoring and snide remarks that seems ever present on here. Where's the love people?

  • asphaltcowboy #399 6 years ago

    @thinktank

    Actually Heavenly Sword is being published by Sony as well (referring to the previous page)

  • andyk #400 6 years ago

    maybe Ken is doing us a favour. When all the reviews come back crap, at least europeans won't have shelled out shit loads.

    ...and come on electric birdland, you know you want to.

  • kangarootoo #401 6 years ago

    This thread seems to have levelled out a bit now. Maybe it will explode again after lunch :(

  • Yossarian #402 6 years ago

    what's the record for comments? surely some of the E3 threads ran for longer than this?

  • thinktank #403 6 years ago

    "@thinktank

    Actually Heavenly Sword is being published by Sony as well (referring to the previous page)"

    Thanks i had a feeling but didn't want to commit, i knew some out there would be in the know.

  • Skooch #404 6 years ago

    "I'm sorry if I offended anyone I'm just curious, with regards to the 360 scene, to see what makes it better from a gamer's perspective over other consoles"

    Controller - this is by far and away the best pad I have EVER used, so far. It really does fit snugly and despite my best efforts I haven't had a hint of cramp, sore thumbs etc (even after one 21hr gaming session).

    XBL - Really is an unparalleled service with game trailers, demos, interviews - it is actually quite fun to sit in and surf the Marketplace to see what's new rather than just play games.

    Exclusives - due to the way MS work their platform exclusives there should hopefully be more than any other console. Dead Rising, Gears of War, Halo 3 are the obvious biggies.

    Yes, it is a bit noisy, yes it doesn't support HD-DVD out the box and yes, for Japanese games you may be better going with Sony but it is a very balanced console and for what you get is reasonably priced. PLUS, one of the biggest things for me is that it is out right now, I can play it tonight, and I will playing it all over Xmas. :-D

  • The12thMonkey #405 6 years ago

    I think the Wii name release and the PS3 Price point were pretty high scoring comment threads.

  • Les #406 6 years ago

    Just when you'd think Sony couldn't screw things up even more...

    For me not really a problem but I sure am disappointed. But for all those complaining of the high price, well you can save up some more! ;-)

  • revlob #407 6 years ago

    @The12thMonkey
    Wii name was about 650 comments, PS3 price wasn't even 200 (at time of writing).

  • varsas #408 6 years ago

    @thinktank: I doubles the potential user base of game from the devs POV and increases the game variety on both platforms.

    I do agree with this, the problem is that I don't think the xboxes have an initial game variety to add to that is as wide as on the playstations; I think this is why the xbox just doesn't do well in Japan.

    Does anyone have the present sales figures for 360 vs PS2?

  • Helios #409 6 years ago

    Theres also many people ont he 360 forum greggywocky :|

    Anyhoo, whats the record for posts in a news article?

  • kristo #410 6 years ago

    I'd love to say I am shocked and surprised, but meh, I am not.

    The thing is, Sony had to have known this before or are flying by the seat of their pants with their manufacturing. I mean, suppliers usually give decent lead time estimates for components (wife works for hdd manufacturer, I hear ALLLLLL about it) so they had to have known this. Which basically makes the earlier "We will launch worldwide" stories BS in my eyes. Again, no big surprise.

    Plus, really, with more and more cross platform titles thanks to companies like EA/Ubisoft out to maximise their profits (as you would expect), why would I care about the PS3 anyways? I mean, the AAA titles that I can forsee/know about, really only GT I care about, maybe MGS but still, I don't care 600 euros for it. Maybe if the PS3 also fellates me, I'd consider it.

    The wii is the only other console that really interests me. Nice unique games, a company that genuinely seems passionate about fun games, sounds great to me, I am so sick of all this marketting/sales driven BS. I could give a fuck about the "image" my console projects about me (as seems to be the whole Sony "lifestyle"(spit) idea of branding/marketting), I just want to have fun. Period

    So yeah, screw you PS3/Sony. Bah.

  • JediMasterMalik #411 6 years ago

    This really did piss me off if I'm being honest. BUT the responses here are so over the top and pathetically fanboyish that it makes me fear for what "hardcore" gamer means nowadays. I thought that gaming was about the games, not about loyalties to systems or hatred towards companies who make them.

    This will most definitely NOT kill off sony, and will NOT kill off the PS3. The fanbase is simply too large at the moment, and all the so called "f**k ups" have been minimal if you look at the situation objectively, which apparently one of you can do.

    There are far more important things going on in the world for you guys to be so happy over a delayed launch of a console. Getting happy over the fact that people won't get something they want is wrong and sadistic.

    I wanted a PS3 before this, and I still want a PS3 after it aswell. Why should the delayed release of a system which has games I want to play, effect whether or not I would buy it? The answer is, it wouldn't.

    The PS3 still in my opinion, has the best line upo of games. So it will be the system of my choice. Simple.

  • varsas #412 6 years ago

    @Skooch:
    Controller - this is by far and away the best pad I have EVER used, so far. It really does fit snugly and despite my best efforts I haven't had a hint of cramp, sore thumbs etc (even after one 21hr gaming session).

    It is pretty decent, though the layout is the same as for the dreamcast controller bar the extra control stick ;) Personally I've found the GC controller to be the most comfortable, though the large right shoulder button is crap.

    XBL - Really is an unparalleled service with game trailers, demos, interviews - it is actually quite fun to sit in and surf the Marketplace to see what's new rather than just play games.

    This seems to be the main thing everyone highlights. I wonder if Sony are going to be able to keep up in this regard; also Nintendo...though in this latter case I think they are going for seamless everything with the always on Wii + DS strategy.

  • varsas #413 6 years ago

    @insane_cobra: Thanks for the list. I'll look them up! :)

  • Yossarian #414 6 years ago

    Alan Wake will be on PC, some of the others might too

  • w00t #415 6 years ago

    My take on this from a marketing point of view is that this is an opportunity for Microsoft to forget Japan and concentrate on Europe. The Japanese gaming market just doesn't like Microsoft's products. So screw 'em.

    Sony apparently places Europe third on it's list of the main regions, so take advantage of the extra 4 months (including Xmas) and get ahead. From what I've seen/read/heard, the vast majority of 360 owners are happy with their consoles (now :)) so get in there and give us cool stuff while the PS3 slowly materialises on the horizon.

  • drumbaby #416 6 years ago

    A PS2 Christmas again, I suppose.

    /yawns

  • Artemus #417 6 years ago

    So I guess they'll be no price cut at all in Europe in 2007. Whereas MS are bound to drop the "premium" next year. Could be looking at half the price of a PS3!

  • fantabulo #418 6 years ago

    whoa man that's a loy of posts! I dare you to read all of them...dare ya

  • kangarootoo #419 6 years ago

    @insane_cobra

    Christ, I haven't even heard of half of them. And I thought I was on the ball.

    THE iDOLM@STER
    Zegapain XOR

    You made those two up right? ;)

  • Stickman #420 6 years ago

    BANG!

    I shot the thread. Now you're just picking over it's corpse. Ghouls.

  • kangarootoo #421 6 years ago

    Hey, this thread is back on track. If we could just delete the first 350 posts it would be sound as a pound.

  • thinktank #422 6 years ago

    @insane_cobra

    Gears of war and dead rising not good enough for your list, ;)
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 14:17

  • Wash #423 6 years ago

    @insane_cobra

    or halo 3

  • DrDamn #424 6 years ago

    Apparently not ...
    Zegapain XOR
    Idol Master

  • Dirtbox #425 6 years ago

    It's party time for the Xboys! Lookatem go!

  • kangarootoo #426 6 years ago

    @AdamOfEternia

    Wow, firing that wit-engine on all cylinders today aren't we ;)

  • JediMasterMalik #427 6 years ago

    Malik its not coming out for another half a year...U got any proof of what release titles we're gonna get?

    There have already been some games confirmed for launch, and even more for launch window. We will get them aswell as anything else released before the console is out here. The EU launch should be good as far as games are concerned.

    And where the fuck do some people pull £500 from? Their arse?

  • faselei #428 6 years ago

    As Zoidberg said... see im no the only saying this! Upgrade the pc and get a wii, within a few months the 360 will be laughable when compared to the pc and the ps3 has just let me down on so many fronts, horrible delays, no vibrate, too expensive, more delays. Screw em. >:(

  • rinoaMW #429 6 years ago

    longest thread ever?

  • DCrider360 #430 6 years ago

    sony are just an embarrasment to themselves, AND the gaming industry in general!!!

    cannot be taken seriously!!!

  • The12thMonkey #431 6 years ago

    @Malik

    They probably pull £500 from the fact that they may want a game or two to play on this £425 system they have just bought.

  • smoothpete #432 6 years ago

    Jeez these comments have grown a bit, and the kiddiewinks are still at school too!

    /battens down hatches

  • Steroyd #433 6 years ago

    So I guess they'll be no price cut at all in Europe in 2007. Whereas MS are bound to drop the "premium" next year. Could be looking at half the price of a PS3!

    Not true 2 months after the PSP launched in September Sony launched the Giga pack, and after the holiday season around February they price cut the PSP.

    There's a chance that the PS3 will see a price cut... more like for their sake there'd better be a price cut.

  • Rodster #434 6 years ago

    As Zoidberg said... see im no the only saying this! Upgrade the pc and get a wii, within a few months the 360 will be laughable when compared to the pc and the ps3 has just let me down on so many fronts, horrible delays, no vibrate, too expensive, more delays. Screw em. >:(

    Well said m8, i've been leaning towards the PC as well.

  • rudedudejude #435 6 years ago

    The SpideyStation is delayed!

    Haha! I knew DocOc and Venom would manage it.

  • asphaltcowboy #436 6 years ago

    D'OH!
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 14:37

  • kangarootoo #437 6 years ago

    @AdamOfEternia

    Infinite-wit-engine actually. And I invented it, but you can use it on license :)

  • Netfreak #438 6 years ago

    Even the so called Sony THIS IS LIVING campaign is being delayed.

    [link url=http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19508
    ]    http://ww w.gamesindustry.biz/content_pag...[/link]

    Haw!! Haw!!

  • kangarootoo #439 6 years ago

    @asphaltcowboy

    Hmmm, profound indeed.

    EDIT: Nuts, you actually added something.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 14:38

  • technofranki #440 6 years ago

    I think that the PS3 delay in Europe will hurt Sony in more than one way. First is that Xbox 360 will get a bigger bit of the market, 5 more months headstart is a lot. And second, it will hurt the Blue-Ray as a videoformat. I think Sony thought that PS3 would play a big part in their Blue-Ray video strategy.

  • #441 6 years ago

    unfortunately, in the grand scheme of things, i really don't think this delay matters.

    now don't get me wrong, there's things that annoy the p!ss out of me about all 3 of the main console manufacturers. but i really can't see this delay being anything but (yet another) minor blemish on sony's record.

    it looks like the x360 is pretty much still born in japan, in europe, let's face it, it hasn't managed to set the world alight with it's collection of me-too copycat titles. if i was a microsoft exec, i'd be really worried, given this recent own goal by sony, if the x360 didn't make it's planned install base of 10m by the target date they've set themselves.

    as much as i like the wii, the worrying thing is that i can't really see a title that would appeal to the untapped part of the gaming market that brain training so successfully managed to snare on the ds. but hey, it's nintendo, so you can never write them off, if any one is likely to innovate and pull a surprise mega-hit, it's them.

    as for the ps3, i think europe is used to being treated like the poor relation to the usa and japan, and the huge casual chavtastic user base that hoovers up titles like fifa arent going to be too bothered that a new machine isnt arriving promptly. theyll just buy the latest movie licence tie-in crud this christmas for their ps2 instead. the mass market chav user base will only start cottoning on that they need to be looking towards the ps3 as their machine of choice once ea starts going into pr overdrive about the latest fifa or need for speed for the machine.

    the people most likely to be have their noses put out of joint by this slippage are the early adopters (who will just import anyway), developers (who are used to being shat on) and the ebay fiends(who are looking to make a quick buck).

    if any manufacturer benefits from this delay, i'd expect it to be nintendo. but not because of annoyed mass market punters switching to the wii, instead i'd expect them to benefit from the extra ps3 cash sloshing around that will probably impulse purchase the ds.

    it's difficult to see how the x360 will cash in on the delay. because if you havent bought one already, it's quite likely that it's roster of upcoming fps titles will not be able to persuade you to part with your hard earned cash before any decent sized drops in price for the hardware.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 14:58

  • Steroyd #442 6 years ago

    I'm sure the people who will buy a PS3 in 2 years time will be pissed of this delay.

    Sony are teh doomed.

  • JediMasterMalik #443 6 years ago

    ^lol

  • bauhaus #444 6 years ago

    Fuck me, just got back from lunch!!

    492 posts


    I presume it all "goodbye $ony" and rubbish like that?????

  • krudster #445 6 years ago

    Did someone say 500?!

  • patlike #446 6 years ago

    Five!

    Hundred!

  • Furbs #447 6 years ago

    No

  • Furbs #448 6 years ago

    Not yet anyway

  • Abscido #449 6 years ago

    Madness, Kristan. Madness.

  • revlob #450 6 years ago

    500?

    Yup. The day is still young, can we get any further intelligent discussion out of this one?
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 14:53

  • Furbs #451 6 years ago

    501st

    Anyone who posts below this sucks.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 14:53

  • Pike #452 6 years ago

    Krudster: BartonFink predicted 500+ in the forum. I guess he wins.

    /Shakes fist at Furbs.

    You suck too, pinko.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 14:53

  • Yossarian #453 6 years ago

    500

  • Inspirius #454 6 years ago

    I'm looking forward to what this does to Sony's share price. Should be quite a dip when it opens.

  • Yossarian #455 6 years ago

    4 8 15 16 23 42

  • Steroyd #456 6 years ago

    Holy crap Sony had to shelf 40 million quid (which converts into a crapload of $$$'s), no way they lied about this... or are they starting to believe their own lies now. o_O

  • MaxiSleep #457 6 years ago

    Gamemaker said
    "Exactly what do you expect them to do? Pull blue diodes out of their ass? =)"

    Now Mr Gamemaker

    I assume you are trolling but i just hate posts which ignore logic

    My point is that Sony treat europe with casual contempt. This has been demonstrated by their constant delays in launching in europe.

    So as always - when they make a decision they hurt europe 1st. I am not questioning the reason for that decision - just am frustrated that ONCE AGAIN europe get the bullet.


  • Abscido #458 6 years ago

    I think 360 would have been the appropriate post count in this case.

  • EmiliasHorse #459 6 years ago

    It's running out of steam now but what a thread!

    I'm still giddy with the nations typing skills.

  • Helios #460 6 years ago

    soooooOOOoooOOOOoo

    Halo 3 for March 2007?

  • rauper Verified Managing Director, Eurogamer Network #461 6 years ago

    JetSetWilly: http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=cIzITw6mMNg

  • bauhaus #462 6 years ago

    plenty of life in this thread yet

  • AcidSnake #463 6 years ago

    Let's try this then as a spin on the topic:

    What about all the european hospitals waiting for the PS3's to help them cure alzheimer?!

    What about standalone bluray players in europe? Are they delayed as well?

    Will the USA and Japan still get both SKU's?
    Even when the pricier one is predicted to sell much more....

  • smelly #464 6 years ago

    Dammit, missed ellie on the news.

    Will have to watch later.

  • Steroyd #465 6 years ago

    Don't worry this comments section will come back to life at around 3:30 ish.

    Kids gotta come back from school you know.

    /prepares for a shitstorm.

  • darshannon #466 6 years ago

    Well, guess I'm going to buy myself that shiny 360 thing after all.
    Pity that me and my wife are not going to play God of War 3. Bye-bye Kratos.

  • JetSetWilly #467 6 years ago

    Cheers rauper!

    Was that filmed at your office? If so, who are those staffers skulking and murmuring behind Ellie's right shoulder?

    EG video-podcasts starring Ellie ftw!

    /end thread hijack

  • EmiliasHorse #468 6 years ago

    @ Rauper
    Thanks for the link. A great watch with a pretty ending (Not Killzone CGI demo, or the plank waving a dual shock3).

  • The12thMonkey #469 6 years ago

    I notice Ellie couldn't bring herself to say "Wii" on the 1 O'Clock News.

  • Tonka #470 6 years ago

    Stock

  • tiddles #471 6 years ago

    They probably pull £500 from the fact that they may want a game or two to play on this £425 system they have just bought.

    Although strangely no-one ever seems to need to buy a game when considering the price of a 360... oh well, there's always Live demos, right?

  • X201 #472 6 years ago

    Who titled it "Ellie on TV"

    Did the better sounding "Ellie on the Tele" not flash across your mind for just one second?

    I dunno, bloody kids ;-)

    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 15:12

  • Dirtbox #473 6 years ago

    YouTube BBC item with our very own Ellie!

  • Dirtbox #474 6 years ago

    Yey Ellie.

  • The12thMonkey #475 6 years ago

    @tiddles

    Yes, and my 360, with three games, three wireless pads, and VGA cable cost me £450. In value for money terms, the 360 isn't high, but compared to the asking price for the PS3, it's a veritable bargin.

  • Aria #476 6 years ago

    Don't tell me you're surprised!

  • Steroyd #477 6 years ago

    Quick!! buy stock now.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 15:15

  • #478 6 years ago

    teh ps3 is t3h d00m3d!!11!!

  • Skooch #479 6 years ago

    "Although strangely no-one ever seems to need to buy a game when considering the price of a 360... oh well, there's always Live demos, right?"

    You may jest sir, but there are enough Live demos to keep a gamer with no games happy for many an hour.

  • EmiliasHorse #480 6 years ago

    Yup XBL demo service is superb, in fact with freebies like Texas Hold'em and trials of all XBLA it is very possible to while away countless hours in gaming bliss.

  • philantropy #481 6 years ago

    "The Next Generation does not start until we say it does"

    I remember someone at the sony conference (i think it was kaz, but i might be wrong) saying this. That is the most arrogant statement I've ever heard in gaming circles..

    By 2007 the so called super-computer cell won't be that hot anymore.. microsoft had a two year start and the xbox 360 hs simlar CPU/GPU power.

    Sony are screwed.. if you've been waiting fora PS3 you've just missed Next Gen for two years running.

    November 17th is emergence day..

    But only if you have an xbox 360

  • faselei #482 6 years ago

    530 odd posts now...

    Well i think it might just be the straw that broke the camels back... if comes out at £500 with the spec it has always been touting then this is RIP. You can a pretty decent PC for £500 quid nowadays ...

    Yay for the PC!

  • Wobble #483 6 years ago

    396 posts before godwin's law was envoked... gj EG! I'm proud of you :o)

  • SomaticSense #484 6 years ago

    Colour me completely unsurprised.

  • kangarootoo #485 6 years ago

    @HarryPalmer

    You cheeky post deleter.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 15:38

  • Razzajazz #486 6 years ago

    Gosh, Ellie looks smart, doesn't she?!

  • AcidSnake #487 6 years ago

    @HarryPalmer:
    In all honesty though it's euroGAMER...
    Not euroCONSOLE...

    EDIT: Where'd he go?
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 15:34

  • EmiliasHorse #488 6 years ago

    @HarryPalmer
    WOW do you kiss your wife with that mouth?

    /wags disaproving finger

    Ooo he went....but where and for how long?
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 15:35

  • Pike #489 6 years ago

    @ faselei
    PC's are shit. Why don't you fuck off to a PC based forum?

    Are you saying EG are running their comments section on a PS3?

  • BettySwallocks #490 6 years ago

    Wii for me

  • faselei #491 6 years ago

    @harry
    lmao, you again? you following me?

    If pcs are shit im guessing your using a PSP to write here huh? Whats it like scrolling through all the letters...

    I've always had consoles, ... but screw it, this one has pissed me around too much. My point is the 360 is already worse than the medium - top end PC. And £500 will by you a kick arse pc by the time the PS3 comes out...

    tit.

  • De-Winter #492 6 years ago

    Who cares? I was never going to pay 500 to have one of these things , christ I can build a decent pc for that. To be honest the only people who are going to be bothered by this are the dickheads that have to buy something when it comes out just to say they have it.


  • kangarootoo #493 6 years ago

    Hehe, Ellie wore a suit for the TV :)

  • Razzajazz #494 6 years ago

    I pity any poor bastard who hasn't been following the comments all day! Almost 550 posts to wade through? Hah, good luck!

  • HarryPalmer #495 6 years ago

    You mean, this isn't a prototype PS3 i'm typing on? Those bastards! i've been ripped off again!

    I pressed the wrong button and deleted myself. Sorry.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 15:42

  • mkreku #496 6 years ago

    I wish everyone would just ignore the Playstation 3 once it is released in Europe. I wish retailers would just not import it at all. I wish Europe would show Sony the same finger which they have shown us, with the PSP and now the Playstation 3.

    I wish Europe would boycott the Playstation 3.

  • Steroyd #497 6 years ago

    If the PSP is anything to go buy we'll just buy more.

  • EmiliasHorse #498 6 years ago

    PSP is not setting the world on fire anymore... This weeks chart records Gangs of London straight in at 23 compared to Saint's Row at No.1.

  • faselei #499 6 years ago

    So then £500 @ March 2007 =

    Wii AND 360
    OR
    Decent PC
    OR
    PS3 w/o HDMI cable or games...

    Hmm hard decision.

  • PlugMonkey #500 6 years ago

    My point is the 360 is already worse than the medium - top end PC.

    You say that like you're surprised. Next Gen consoles always promise the earth, and then when they get released - surprise! surprise! - they're about as powerful as a year old high end PC.

    It's almost as if they're based on the same technology or something.

    The home console's edge has always been based on the fact that they're miles cheaper, but with the PS3's price point and PCs getting cheaper all the time, that's just not true any more.

  • Steroyd #501 6 years ago

    yes but it did set the world on fire when it finally got launched after it's delay in Europe.

  • Carpathian #502 6 years ago

    God, this place !

    I pop off to actually do some work @ work for a few hours and I come back to find less than 600 posts still - bloody lightweights !! ;o)

    Still, Ellie-on-the-Tellie was an unexpected link to find so not all lost then !

    {waves at Ellie on YouTube, realises silliness and runs away}

  • EmiliasHorse #503 6 years ago

    Stop PC trolling.
    Yes PCs are more powerful but 95% are busy running WOW for 18hours a day with the remainder spent telling Eurogamer how much faster your PC is.

  • AcidSnake #504 6 years ago

    But the fire died quickly...
    The one's who started that fire are the usual suspects...
    Fanboys and tech hungry people...

    Does anyone have any sales figures for the PSP on a weekly base?

  • EmiliasHorse #505 6 years ago

    And UMD died on it's arse as a video format. Most shops have ditched or vastly reduced stock.

  • #506 6 years ago

    Much like the IRA, the PS3 hasn't 'gone away you know'.

    It won't be long until March comes around, then you will get your chance to pay through the nose for a machine that isn't actually any better than what you could be buying right here and right now, for less money.

  • The12thMonkey #507 6 years ago

    On the UMD front, yeah. My local HMV used to have a double-sided island with PSP UMD films on. Now it's half a shelf.

  • DrDamn #508 6 years ago

    "The home console's edge has always been based on the fact that they're miles cheaper"

    That and the fixed platform to get more out of the power available, sitting in front of the TV on a couch, playing games with your mates round, games you don't find or don't work so well on a PC etc, etc. Lots of reasons for PC gaming, but plenty for home consoles too.

    Here's a idea. If Sony had the nads they would have delayed in Japan not Europe. Long term that would prove to be the better in my option. They have beaten X360 in Japan already.

  • Furbs #509 6 years ago

    Keep going guys, I need another 150 or so posts out of you in the next hour and half.

    You do all realise this is an EG scam to get ad revenue up dont you?

  • Les #510 6 years ago

    Global launch was always a stupid idea (it takes huge production capacity/efficiency, something which usually isn’t in place at launch time because it’s too expensive to have these in place long before you actually sell your products). But after time and again saying that this was the way they’d proceed and now having to admit they won’t make it, that’s very painful. And Sony should have known better after MS’s failed attempt, so it makes it even worse.

    Someone from the Computer Entertainment division screwed up big-time. I can’t imagine this not having consequences for some people.

    But apart for the damage done to their reputation, I don’t think it will have that much influence on the outcome of the console war. The US and Japan are the most important markets (US for it’s size, Japan because it’s Sony’s home market and not interested in 360 at all). For the foreseeable future, Europe will remain a fractured and therefore less relevant market. And any business would be wise to treat it as such.

  • #511 6 years ago

    As I see it the main advantage of consoles is simplicity, both for the gamer and developer.

    What this genreation (360 and PS3 anyhow) offers that hasn't really before is HD output that can be truely optimised and refined as developers find out more and more tricks, that will rival PC visuals at least for a longer period of time, and for significantly less money (well, 360 anyway).

    We all know that the best games for these consoles - both visually and gameplay-wise, will not even be out in 2008.

    We can also see (from Nintendo's stance if nothing else) that visuals and RAW power are actually no longer the benchmark by which we should set out gaming standard. In fact these days, they are probably the worst benchmark possible.

    The 360 and PS3 are not trying to be a PC (or compete with a PC in terms of sheer performance) any more than a DS or PSP. It's just that we percieve them to be because they are based on similar technology and (now) have a similar price.

    I challenge anyone to build a tower for £280 that will out-perform a 360. £425 - who knows. The point is that it really doesn't matter, as they are really offering completely different things.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 16:09

  • DrDamn #512 6 years ago

    @insane_cobra
    "Speaking of Brain Training, it didn't as much find the untapped part of the gaming market as it created it."

    It created all the people who went out and bought it? Now that is next gen gaming!

  • Feanor #513 6 years ago

    I hope everyone will stop moaning baout the PS3 price now. The quantities that will be available are so limited that anyone who manages to buy one will be someone who really, really, really had to have it right away.

  • Carpathian #514 6 years ago

    Furbs: You do all realise this is an EG scam to get ad revenue up dont you?


    Firefox 1.5 + 'Adblock' extension + whitelist = Whoops, sorry EG ads !!

    ;o)

  • DrDamn #515 6 years ago

    I think we are all missing the most important part of this. Think of the lost revenue and money for the companies we work for. 600 post threads don't write and read themselves you know. Think of the cost, think of the economy, and for the love of god won't somebody think of the children!

  • InfiniteFury #516 6 years ago

    I can't wait for the inevitable Eurogamer interview with a Sony PR bod explaining why, in fact, this is a better thing for Europe. Friday I reckon.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 16:09

  • SomaticSense #517 6 years ago

    "Sony still plans to ship 6 million PS3 units globally before the end of the 2007 fiscal year."

    Isn't the end of the 2007 fiscal year March 2007 anyway? So if they expect to have shipped 6 million PS3s before March wouldn't that have been about the SAME as they originally promised?
    So what they have actually decided to do is forget about Europe for the mean time and SELL EUROPE'S PROMISED SHARE of PS3's to US and Japan, and are using these blu-ray laser thingy as an excuse thinking we Europeans will be stupid enough to not realise.

    EDIT: *these

    @ Sony - Get fucked. I'm NEVER buying another on of your products again

    With this happening and after the whole Atari Test Drive pricing and Dead Rising 'region-free for US and Japan but not for PAL' debacles, I'm seriously angry with the gaming industry at moment and how they keep fucking us and the other non-US/Japan regions over. It's about time it stopped as this actions will end up taking a huge chunk out of these companies arses for disrespecting us so much.

    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 16:12

  • AcidSnake #518 6 years ago

    Not launching in Japan?
    That's suicide..
    The Wii would do what the DS has been doing all this time and completely sweep everything up...

    They should've done what they promised...and launched worldwide
    Even if it meant huge shortages, european consumers might then think the PS3's absence is temporary as was the case with X360...

    Wii60 is a very real alterative for many european consumers now...
    (If nintendo release it before christmas anyway)

  • Salvia #519 6 years ago

    I don't know why everyone's saying 'Haha Sony, you're shit!' as they've been forced into this position by MS who dropped the XBox like a bag of hot shit and rushed the 360 to market.
    Sony responded in the only way they could by trying to cut their cycle by around a year and it's gone wrong for them. Hardly their fault.

    All well and good if you want MS to rule the console market as effectively as they have done the OS market.

    If Sony go tits up they'll go after Nintendo and then there'll be some bleating.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 16:12

  • #520 6 years ago

    Global launches aren't a stupid idea. MS didn't 'fail'. I didn't pre-order a 360 yet got one on launch day. Anyone who really wanted one could get one, even over Xmas. I kept in touch with my local game store and if you phoned in the morning they would let you know if they were getting a delivery in, and if you asked nicely they held one for you till you got home from work.

    Most people didn't think to do this.

    MS did superbly well as the first to try it, and they will have learnt from it. I bet they do it again next time.

    Funny how sony can't even compete on that level, and their limited 2 territory launch has even less units coming in than MS did with the 360.

  • #521 6 years ago

    @ SomaticSense
    Read my post as of ~323

  • #522 6 years ago

    Salvia said:

    I don't know why everyone's saying 'Haha Sony, you're shit!'

    Probably folks are saying that because since the original launch announcement Sony have gone on to prove many times that they are indeed 'shit'.

    Let's blame MS for Sony's failures though, Sony would love that :)

  • Canadian_Mike #523 6 years ago

    I hate to say it (and im sure i'll now be labeled as a wanker or something), but you guys are a small market that they can afford to launch later in. NA and Japan (aka Home Base) are the big boys and are treated as such.

    The good thing for you guys is that you'll end up with a more solid launch lineup and better consoles after we beta test the production models for a few months :(


    ...so fire off a few Riiiiiiiiidge and giant crab jokes and take it with a grain of salt. These are just videogames after all.

  • #524 6 years ago

    @ Salvia
    "Sony responded in the only way they could by trying to cut their cycle by around a year and it's gone wrong for them. Hardly their fault. "

    So in E3 2005 when they announced the PS3 for Spring '06, but it actually comes out in Spring '07 they actually meant to say a European release in Spring 2008?

    This defence would be fine if the thing was actually coming out, but Sony have already delayed the release. And this is the second time for us.

    Any company that has a 3-year development cycle (annoucment 2005, release 2008) for an electronic hardware device needs a kick up the ass! By the time it's out, it's old!

    EDIT: Clarify - they were developing well before E3 2005 - surely! - in order to announce release for Spring 2006
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 16:21

  • kangarootoo #525 6 years ago

    @SomaticSense

    Jesus dude. You really need to calm down. Are you the guy who smacks people down the pub on a friday night for "disrespecting you".

    Perhaps by mocking you I'm disrespecting you right now. What on earth will my punishment be I wonder?

  • #526 6 years ago

    Canadian_Mike, we are a bit smaller, but not by much. This isn't the UK we're talking about, it's all of Europe.

    Sony know they can feck us over, we are used to it, but they can't take that risk with the US or the Japs.

  • Knot #527 6 years ago

    Anyway, i don't think the PAL line up in March will be better than the USA/Jap November line up.

    So if you wanna have gaming fun this holiday season I'd advise to get :

    - Xb360
    - Wii
    - GF7900GTX or X1950XTX
    plus games for respective platform.

    PS3 might be interesting spring 2008......

  • Razzajazz #528 6 years ago

    @ Mapster

    That's exactly what I did! Those nice people at Game held on to one for me while I rushed down there at my lunch break.

    It's not so much that a global launch is a bad idea, it's just that anyone who doesn't look deeply into the facts will come away with the impression that Microsoft are a more competent company than Sony, because they launched worldwide and Sony didn't.

    Whether they are or not, is not something we will know until much later in this next-gen "war". God, I hate that term, it's not a bloody war, FFS!

  • kangarootoo #529 6 years ago

    @Canadian_Mike

    I'll back you up on that and I live in the UK. Some might call it "disrespect", I call it business.

    Everyone did notice the bit about console makers being in business to make money not friends right? That didn't slip under the radar by chance did it?

  • The12thMonkey #530 6 years ago

    Just had a read through of Rob's latest article on GI.biz.
    Worth reading, if a little long.

    Though, if you've read through all of this comments thread, then ten or fifteen paragraphs is nothing.

  • #531 6 years ago

    Correct as of June 2005:

    PlayStation 2 Cumulative Shipment by Territory (as of June 2, 2005)
    - Japan (including Asia (*1))
    21.04 million units (launch date: March 4, 2000)
    - North America
    36.48 million units (launch date: October 26, 2000)
    - Europe/PAL
    32.48 million units (launch date: November 24, 2000)

    See, Europe isn't small after all?

  • DrDamn #532 6 years ago

    @Acid Snake
    "Not launching in Japan?
    That's suicide..
    The Wii would do what the DS has been doing all this time and completely sweep everything up..."

    Nah it wouldn't. There is plenty of room for a PS3 and Wii in the Japanese market. You even use the Wii60 term yourself below acknowledging this. The PS3 will have plenty of stuff the Japanese gamer *needs*.

  • EmiliasHorse #533 6 years ago

    Sony only did it because they know the british love to complain.

  • #534 6 years ago

    I'd see 100k units for Japan and 400k units for the US at launch as pretty incompetent!

    EDIT: At current birth rates, the working population of Japan will half anyway by 2020.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 16:27

  • TheDifficult3rdAlbum #535 6 years ago


    It's almost as if they're based on the same technology or something.

    Yes - Surprisingly many devs are basically coding on the Unreal Engine and then just optimising for the respective PC, 360 or PS3 skus - so differences in the game across the different platforms will be quite small.

    So I really don't think the platforms are going to be that different - so 360 = PS3.

    Therefore, if PS3 has killer exclusives then that's different, but if you already own a 360 or a high end PC then there's little point getting a PS3 - or indeed, even if you don't own a 360, why would you splash the extra cash on a PS3 if the 360 delivers the same experience and its got a 18 month back catalogue to choose from?

  • Nexus_6 #536 6 years ago

    so to all these people posting here:


    WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?

    obviously this is to those with a higher-than-8000-odd userid....:-D
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 16:28

  • Canadian_Mike #537 6 years ago

    " Scientist
    06-Sep-06 16:25:24

    You're not a wanker, just wrong.
    There are more PS2s in Europe (PAL) than in either NA or Japan. "

    I stand corrected. I saw Map's post.

  • Kiigan #538 6 years ago

    Let's be real - "March" really means "June" when it comes to widespread PS3 availability here. Hopefully by then there'll be a better spread of titles and a price drop or two.

    In the meantime, European gamers get to enjoy lots of awesome games on Wii, Xbox 360, DS, PSP, PC, and PS2 that would otherwise have probably been ignored in the mad PS3 push. Come on - how many of you were really gonna drop 600 euro + cables + games for the sake of being first to play a bunch of half-assed launch titles? There's nothing to complain about here - the delay is great for the industry and great for gamers.

    Let's remember too that vast majority of American and Japanese gamers won't be getting a PS3 this year either, no matter how much they might want it.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 16:29

  • patlike #539 6 years ago

    Six!

    Hundred!

  • #540 6 years ago

    I also think it's good. Good for everyone, and a little humble pie might also do Sony some good.

    I bet it won't though, they'll still come out with outrageous claims and promises they can't keep.

    They never learn.

  • Razzajazz #541 6 years ago

    And in other news.... Microsoft have already started dancing on the grave of PS3, saying that the delays are down to "Unproven Technology".

    I never thought that a PS3 delay would turn into a willy-waving contest. ;)

  • chupachups #542 6 years ago

    "Let's be real - "March" really means "June" when it comes to widespread PS3 availability here. Hopefully by then there'll be a better spread of titles and a price drop or two."

    Even June would be pushing it, it took Microsoft until the end of spring (after a November launch the previous year) to make 360s totally available everywhere and they probably had far less launch demand than the PS3 is going to face.

    I'd bet that you won't be able to walk into any random games shop and buy a PS3 until autumn or even Xmas 2007.

    And to be fair, this is the first Xmas that 360s will be easily available, not the second, so Microsoft's lead isn't quite as large as some make out.


    "See, Europe isn't small after all?"

    Yeah, Europe's a very big market, but it's a lot of work to tap it, you have to be willing to deal in so many different languages, currencies etc. From a marketing point of view they'd only value us above Japan if we all spoke one language, used one currency and had no internal borders.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 16:34

  • Daikon #543 6 years ago

    Glad I live in Japan ^_^

  • #544 6 years ago

    Sony hates you because you live in Europe, are you just going to take this lying down you bitches?

  • Canadian_Mike #545 6 years ago

    Kiigan

    "Let's remember too that vast majority of American and Japanese gamers won't be getting a PS3 this year either, no matter how much they might want it."

    Great point.....and i'd say 90% of they PS2 sales came in the last 3 or so years so (after price drops), will a 3 month wait hurt PS3 that much?

    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 16:34

  • PlugMonkey #546 6 years ago

    "sitting in front of the TV on a couch, playing games with your mates round, games you don't find or don't work so well on a PC etc, etc. Lots of reasons for PC gaming, but plenty for home consoles too."

    Oh, I'm not denying that. There are plenty of other reasons for buying a console, but my number one reason in the past for me not having a games capable PC was the prohibitive cost. Now the gap is much closer.

    Speaking of playing games with your mates round, I had a load of mates round at the weekend and we ended up playing lots of guitar hero, warioware, monkeyball and worms on PS1. The X360 didn't really get much of a look in, so the PS3 really isn't going to tempt me there. The Wii, on the other hand...

  • belziah #547 6 years ago

    today is one of those days where "it would be good to bury bad news......."



    if only some fecker would stop (K.K)digging it up!

  • Roachdog #548 6 years ago

    Hmm, possibly the biggest comment thread i've seen on Eurogamer to date.

    Well have to say it, 360 gets my money now......

  • #549 6 years ago

    It's been a strange day really....

  • #550 6 years ago

    Fuel for the fire! ;)

    1

    2

  • #551 6 years ago

    I think the thread is about to self destruct lol

  • AcidSnake #552 6 years ago

    @DrDamn
    I meant if PS3 delayed in Japan...

    Considering that poll a few months back, right after E3...
    I don't remember the exact figures but about 60% was most interested in the Wii, and there was more interest for DS than ps3...
    So should they delay the japanese launch then Wii would kill the competition and every single Wii would sell out there until the PS3 launch...

    And the Wii60 combo is attractive because it costs less than the PS3..
    (At least unless nintendo decide to ask €600 for the Wii)

  • Scientist #553 6 years ago

    "I stand corrected. I saw Map's post."


    Fair enough. Although Mapster's figures are over 1 year old and in that time the gap between US and PAL is now fewer than 500k units. PS2 PAL install base should overtake US install base at some point next year.

    Consider also that PAL has much more potential for growth than US or Japan. After all the population of Europe is way, way bigger and market penetration is growing.
    SCEE oversees over 100 countries.

  • JetSetWilly #554 6 years ago

    obviously this is to those with a higher-than-8000-odd userid

    That's the second time today I've seen a reference to the userid count. Can someone please enlighten me?

  • Tayl #555 6 years ago

    Razzajazz- "I never thought that a PS3 delay would turn into a willy-waving contest. ;)".

    'Tis an odd phenomenon, whereby people tie their own self-worth into how well their favoured console is performing in the marketplace (or how poorly other consoles are perceived to be doing, as in this case). It's almost like, I dunno, these people don't see themselves as being relevant without some massive corporate entity to adhere to & root for?

    Like I said, odd phenomenon.

  • chupachups #556 6 years ago

    And let's not forget the 360's launch: most games shops didn't sell it as the barebones system, they bundled it to heck until it cost twice as much as the console alone. People who wanted a 360 were often forced to buy half a dozen mediocre games with it.

    I can't say I envy the US and Japan, most who want a PS3 won't get one and those who do get one will probably get it on very bad terms indeed.

  • #557 6 years ago

    These are the newest figures I have from Sony, correct as of November 2005.

    - Japan (including Asia (*1))
    22.22 million units (launch date: March 4, 2000)
    - North America
    40.65 million units (launch date: October 26, 2000)
    - Europe/PAL
    37.14 million units (launch date: November 24, 2000)

  • kangarootoo #558 6 years ago

    @Mapster

    You need to calm down mate. You are getting over excited like some kid chasing a pigeon, only a kid that rocks back and forth when he is sat by himself.

    "Sony hates you because you live in Europe, are you just going to take this lying down you bitches?"

    I mean what the hell is that about ffs? I bet you typed that in a high pitched voice, loony.

  • faselei #559 6 years ago

    @JetSet

    oh some people think becuase they started spamming the forums a few months before the rest of us, their opinion counts for more... this is regardless of their ages, iq, or ability to use English.

    If you hover over a user name - in the bar at the bottom of the browser where it says where the link goes, you see user_id=xxxxx the lower, the higher the newer member they are.

  • PlugMonkey #560 6 years ago

    "People who wanted a 360 were often forced to buy half a dozen mediocre games with it. "

    Well, they weren't exactly forced. I didn't find it overly hard to say "No, I just want the console". Even in the face of being offered 2 crap games for the price of one.

  • #561 6 years ago

    kangaratoo, you are having a sense of humour failure.

    I'll put smileys in if you are failing to get the joke.

    Wound up? Me? I couldn't care less, but I will happily join in the fun as like a lot of folk, it's pretty good to see the humbling of Sony.

  • AcidSnake #562 6 years ago

    @mapster
    That '2' link made my poor firefox hang!...

  • #563 6 years ago

    Acidsnake, blame sony not me, everything is their fault today!

    ;)

    (smiley added for kangaratoo)

  • JetSetWilly #564 6 years ago

    Cheers faselei - I guess that his tirade includes me then. I am an icon of early 80s gaming - surely everyone knows that?

    /sticks head down toilet

  • JohnnyWashnGo #565 6 years ago

    Sony must be pretty pissed to be missing the Xmas market this year.

    The run up to the release of the PS3 has been nothing but shambolic, this latest problem is just the icing on the cake of the trojan horse that is the PS3.

    You have to wonder if any part of Sony Corp. speaks to any other part. What with the new site lauched this week, shortly followed by the delay today, you get the impression that somebody, somewhere didn't get the memo.

    Least it should give Nintendo a bit more breathing space - the only competition they have for the xmas spend now is a machine that is over a year old :)

    And lets face it - everyone like shiny, new toys :)

    Wii FTW IMO !

  • kangarootoo #566 6 years ago

    @Mapster

    Ah fair enough. I figured it seemed off alongside your previous posts. I just thought there was a witchburning style hysteria escalating in you, with wide eyes and chanting (and probably a pitchfork... you aren't holding a pitch fork are you?).

  • AcidSnake #567 6 years ago

    Damn you Sony!

    You can delay the PS3! (twice)
    You can delay the PSP!

    But don't touch my firefox!

  • Tayl #568 6 years ago

    Mapster- "I couldn't care less, but I will happily join in the fun"

    A lot of people won't be getting their preferred console this year, & you see it as "fun"? Remind us all to apply the same judicious logic to you if and when your 360 gets those funky red lights o' doom it's becoming so famous for, m'kay? Thata' boy.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 16:49

  • #569 6 years ago

    no pitchfork mate, but what a day, eh?

    Woke up this morning feeling fine, popped into work, fired up the computer and *wham*

    Have we broken the record yet for a comments thread?

  • Razzajazz #570 6 years ago

    @ faselei

    Is that userid thing true? 'Cos that guy who was screaming about who everyone was is over 8000 himself!

    And I'm 89! It can't be true, I'm sure I came pretty late to the EG party. I was fighting off a nasty IGN addiction at the time, I remember....

  • #571 6 years ago

    Tayl wrote:

    A lot of people won't be getting their prefered console this year, & you see it as "fun"? Remind us all to apply the same judicious logic to you if and when your 360 gets those funky red lights o' doom it's becoming so famous for, m'kay? Thata' boy.

    Oh my poor bleeding heart.

    Even if it had been released a lot of folk wouldn't have been able to get hold of it. I can't get one now either, so you didn't factor that in.

    I'm happy to wait though, the 360 and wii will certainly tide me over until the PS3 is available.

  • Razzajazz #572 6 years ago

    Has no-one found the EG comments record yet? This must be at an all-time record now. EG must be rubbing their hands at all this ad revenue!

  • chupachups #573 6 years ago

    "Well, they weren't exactly forced. I didn't find it overly hard to say "No, I just want the console". Even in the face of being offered 2 crap games for the price of one."

    I know legally they weren't forced, at least in Britain, but a lot of people didn't know that they had a choice of a no game bundle when presented with a 2 game bundle or a 4 game bundle.

    And AFAIK many shops in America only had bundles for sale during the initial launch period, there were loads of complaints on Amazon.com from Americans who'd preordered a premium or core pack only to see their preorders cancelled and replaced with bundle orders (no idea how legal that is BTW).

    I assume they'll all repeat this little offer/scam with the PS3. :)

  • Darren #574 6 years ago

    I think I must be the only person that views this European PS3 delay in a positive way! LOL

    I never intended buying a PS3 at launch anyway but the way I see it a delayed European launch means more launch games to choose from (Australian Xbox 360 owners got Oblivion as a launch game!), more hardware (certainly more than would have been available had the PS3 launched in November 2006) and most importantly of all, it means that we'll know about any problems with the hardware (a la Xbox 360) months before we buy one and so we can decide whether to buy one in March or later when those potential issues had been addressed/fixed. Good news all round, I think. :)

  • smelly #575 6 years ago

    >A lot of people won't be getting their prefered console this year,


    Why on hell is it "their prefered console?" No-ones yet to see games RUNNING ON IT yet!!!?!?

    Why on earth you're upset about it being last is beyond me!

    It's not as if it'd be any better than the 360 anyhuws.. Just because you've boiught playstations in the past, doesnt mean you have to stick with them!

    Bit weird if u ask me.. but ho hum - i've never really understood this stuff of brand loyalty for something you've not even seen running!


  • Tayl #576 6 years ago

    Mapster- "Even if it had been released a lot of folk wouldn't have been able to get hold of it. I can't get one now either, so you didn't factor that in."

    Right right, 'cause your hilarious over-jubilation at the announcement of the delay really denotes how broken up inside you are about not being able to procure one. My mistake, clearly.

  • DrDamn #577 6 years ago

    @AcidSnake

    I know you meant if Sony delayed in Japan, so did I. I think Nintendo have a great market position in a place where it is not going to be a case of getting a Wii *or* PS3. So a delay in Japan would not have as much bearing as a delay in Europe, where many will switch to the X360 - not the Wii. Just an opinion. The X360 and PS3 are directly after the same market in features, spec and game types. While I'm sure some will get the Wii instead, there will be many more who will end up with two consoles and one of those will be a Wii.

  • The_Foo_Fighter #578 6 years ago

    Anyone else feeling rather hot today?

  • chupachups #579 6 years ago

    "I think I must be the only person that views this European PS3 delay in a positive way! LOL"

    I agree that you'd have to be crackers to buy a console at launch, it's over-expensive and under-supported, but I think what interests a lot of people on here is how this delay affects the long term success of the PS3.

    Will, for example, a lot of people buy a 360 instead (especially if there's a premium pack pre-Xmas price cut)? Will the Wii take over Japan now that the PS3's allocation has been cut to just 100,000? Etc.

  • El_MUERkO #580 6 years ago

    rapebear comes for you all you filthy heathens

  • Cabelo #581 6 years ago

    I just think it's strange they didn't just not say anything and let us figure it out for ourselves...

    We're just silly gaijin... I bet it'd have been march before anyone noticed.

  • Tayl #582 6 years ago

    smelly- "Why on hell is it "their prefered console?" No-ones yet to see games RUNNING ON IT yet!!!?!?"

    Why is the Wii your preferred console? Is it because you've factored in your previous experiences with Nintendo hardware, assessed the games, & judged that it's therefore deserving of all the percolating anticipation your wee body can muster? The rules aren't any different for you, y'know.

    "Why on earth you're upset about it being last is beyond me!"

    I'm not one for launch stampedes myself, actually. Something about faulty first-run hardware and rushed launch titles doesn't appeal to my greater instincts. Just seeing this whole thing described as "fun" stood out as a little crass in my eyes; call it basic human decency, call it what you will.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 17:11

  • #583 6 years ago

    Tayl:Right right, 'cause your hilarious over-jubilation at the announcement of the delay really denotes how broken up inside you are about not being able to procure one. My mistake, clearly.

    I would be broken up if there were games that looked 'must buy', but alas there are not. I'm hard pressed to wonder why anyone would be broken up about this.

  • AcidSnake #584 6 years ago

    @DrDamn
    :) Ok...
    I however see that a delay in Japan would be worse...
    It's risking your homegrounds...
    I see your point though:
    In Europe they have to fight MS and Nintendo
    In Japan they only really fight Nintendo
    See? Our opinions differ, yet I don't feel the urge to insult you?

    The EG forum really is the place for adult conversations...

    I'm signing off now...
    When I check again tomorrow I want to see 1000+ in this thread ok?

  • jha666 #585 6 years ago

    I wonder if Nintendo will take advantage of the situation
    and _*NOT*_ release the Wii in "PAL:ia"? Why rush things
    when the biggest competitor ignores the whole PAL
    market?

  • bauhaus #586 6 years ago

    just making a quick post so i can see my User_ID

    Carry on everyone

  • Razzajazz #587 6 years ago

    Nintendo could launch a bloody stick in Europe for Christmas and still do well, judging by the Sony hate in this thread!

  • bauhaus #588 6 years ago

    oooh, I`m younger than some of you bitches

    That means the shite I sprout carries more weight

  • bauhaus #589 6 years ago

    Big Respect to Razzajazz

  • Deepo #590 6 years ago

    Pre-ordered yesterday.

    Thanks a lot, Sony!

  • #591 6 years ago

    Deepo, look at it this way, you'll have more cash in your pocket this xmas :)

    Also, you can treat yourself to a wii or a 360 and still have change!

  • smelly #592 6 years ago

    >Why is the Wii your preferred console?

    Its not yet. Although i'll probs get one if only to play retro games which i missed out on first time around.


    >Is it because you've factored in your previous experiences with
    >Nintendo hardware,

    Nope, nintendo software.. and besides, i've seen games running on a wii...

    And I've only ever owned one nintendo console: cube, before that i had a psone

  • deaddwarf #593 6 years ago

    wtf???????? we were so close.... =/

  • faselei #594 6 years ago

    @Razzajazz... o.0 oooh maybe im wrong then, but im pretty sure that how it works, i got accused of lots of things, cos my user-id was just a few different from some other guy when i first signed up... dunno then :p

    Anyway back on topic! err "$ony r t3h suxx0rs?" (will that do?).

  • Huxley #595 6 years ago

    /Gets in from work

    What did I miss?

    /Reads posts

    Oh...

  • DrDamn #596 6 years ago

    @AcidSnake
    "I however see that a delay in Japan would be worse...
    It's risking your homegrounds..."

    It's more of an honour decision than a money one. Maybe shunning the Japanese market would turn them against Sony. I probably don't have the understanding of the Japanese market to make this call properly - but as an idea it's an interesting one.

  • smelly #597 6 years ago

    Why does everyone presume the wii will come out this year anyhuws?

    Nintendo dont exactly have a great track record when it comes to europe do they?

  • #598 6 years ago

    smelly, even if Nintendo weren't going to release the wii, they would be mad now not to.

    They have struggled against sony for a long time now and a free shot at that first xmas window would be too good to miss.

  • faselei #599 6 years ago

    Smelly's right

    Bwahahahaha :'( no-one loves us yoorowpee'ans.

    Is it because our diets consist solely of cheese, red meat and potatoes?

    Sorry i'll stop spamming now, its just that work is really really boring...

    /ed And i just wasted the 651st with that comment, frankly i'm ashamed.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 17:19

  • Scientist #600 6 years ago

    "Is it because our diets consist solely of cheese, red meat and potatoes"

    ???

  • Razzajazz #601 6 years ago

    Glad to see normal service has been resumed, faselei! ;)

  • Tayl #602 6 years ago

    smelly- Nope, nintendo software.. and besides, i've seen games running on a wii..."

    Jesus, how I loath this yoke of Devil's Advocate being thrust upon me, but so be it: PS3 has shown games running too, as in "actual gameplay footage", as well as the various in-game engine demos doing the rounds. And seeing as how Nintendo haven't produced a truly great game since Ocarina, I'm not following why "Nintendo software" should be a mantra worthy of anyone's blind faith at this juncture.

    And I've only ever owned one nintendo console: cube, before that i had a psone
    Ah right, a Nintendo newb then. Makes sense why you'd still love 'em, I guess.

  • stepneg #603 6 years ago

    The 360 may have been hard to get hold of at launch but at least it was fair across the globe, Sony have basicly said sod you to Europe(again), your not important to us. What a way to treat loyal customers that waited instead of buying a 360 and anyone that says the delay is probably a good thing is either a Sony shareholder or mentally ill.

    Sony is going the same way as Sega and it serves them right, you can only lie and stiff people over so many times!!

  • Les #604 6 years ago

    @ Mapster

    "Global launches aren't a stupid idea."

    From a business point of view they are. In order to build up sufficient quantities, you will have to store them for some time. This costs a LOT of money. Furthermore, as MS's failed global launch displayed (that you were lucky doesn't mean it didn't fail. Many more were unlucky), it takes time before production facilities run smooth and can support a steady outflow of products. Optimizing these facilities takes time so it's better to do this while you're actually selling your product than do it beforehand because again that would lead to huge stocks and huge cost.

    "See, Europe isn't small after all?"

    But it is fractured. Logistics to reach Europe as a whole are terrible because of tax and language barriers. Europe can't be seen as a single market in the same sense as the US and Japan can.

    But still, all this is terribly damaging to Sony reputation in Europe. So while MS's launch failed from a logistics point of view, it's now fantastic PR to European consumers. I hate MS and will never pay a single euro for any of their shitty products but you have to hand it to them how time and again they manage create huge success with inferior products.

  • Tayl #605 6 years ago

    "Sony is going the same way as Sega and it serves them right, you can only lie and stiff people over so many times!!"

    You're so right. Say, did they ever catch those people responsible for the Srebrenica massacre? Or the Rwandan genocide? Seems like that'd be something truly worthy of people's righteous indignation, rather than trawling out the same, tired old crap about a company's unfulfilled hyperbole.

    SONY LIE, habitually. See how easily I can get over that sensational shock to the system?

  • Razzajazz #606 6 years ago

    @ stepneg

    There is one other group who will be glad with a PS3 delay.... Giant enemy crabs. European crabs will have to wait until 2007 to get hit for massive damage, so in that sense, it's the rest of the world's giant crabs that are being screwed over.

  • PS3lol #607 6 years ago

    This is the greatest moment in gaming history. It's the funniest dam shit I've ever seen in the gaming world.

    Sony have handed the next gen to Nintendo and Microsoft on a plate with a fooking red bow tied around it.

    100,000 PS3s for Japan

    ROFL DS sells 200,000 every week. Sony are finished with Playstation, Blu-ray has killled it.

  • #608 6 years ago

    Tayl, to say that Ninty haven't released any great games since Ocarina is naive at best and a plain untruth at worst.

    Windwaker, MP, Majora's Mask, Paper Mario 2 can be classed as 'great' with ease.

    We still have to look forward to the new Paper Mario which looks amazing, and of course the new Zelda which will be a launch game.

  • Dr.Mott #609 6 years ago

    OK, that clinches it. First thing tomorrow, I'm off to buy a 360. I've been tempted so many times, but I thought, "No, I'll wait for PS3, I waited for the PSP so I don't mind." But this is just fucking ridiculous. There you go Sony, you've just lost another loyal customer.

    One question, does the harddrive matter for me, 'cos I could get the core system for £200. I don't play online, and I don't have any original Xbox games.

  • JDub #610 6 years ago

    Wow - still going eh?!? What's all this about userIDs?

    /looks

    Big shout to the sub_K cru... ;)

    Must be near 700 posts by now - Damn, I guessed 850 by 6pm...not happening.

  • smelly #611 6 years ago

    @Tayl:

    >PS3 has shown games running too, as in "actual gameplay footage",


    LMFAO!!! HAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAA

  • toy_brain #612 6 years ago

    "One question, does the harddrive matter for me, 'cos I could get the core system for £200. I don't play online, and I don't have any original Xbox games. "

    You'll want it for the freely downloadable demos- which are a frankly lovely thing to have (only bit of the 360 online service I bother with)
    Unless you are not going to put the machine online AT ALL, the HDD is pretty much essential.

  • Guff-Pipe #613 6 years ago

    Im getting a Phantom so I dont give a shit you bunch of dicks!!!

  • l_p_4_7 #614 6 years ago

    Maybe this is all part of Sony's business strategy:

    "We will establish a scheme to well and truely screw up eveything possible and appear like we have no chance of winning the next-generation console war, therefore making our opposition fall into a false sense of security.

    Then, as MS and Nintendo begin to celebrate and when they least expect it, we will rise from the ashes and pull off one of the biggest business and financial turnarounds in modern day history when we unveil a new super PS3 and announce that everything previously disclosed about the PS3 was made up!"
    Edited by 3 at 06/09/06 @ 18:01

  • Tayl #615 6 years ago

    /intones to future readers
    This'd be the point where smelly's "brain" produced a puff of whispy-white smoke, & proceeded to fall right out of his head.

    No-one grieved.

  • DrDamn #616 6 years ago

    @Dr.Mott
    "One question, does the harddrive matter for me, 'cos I could get the core system for £200. I don't play online, and I don't have any original Xbox games."

    I would go premium to future proof yourself. If you go core then you still have to shell out for the memory card and worry about memory card space. You will also have to buy a HiDef cable at some point too if you have a HD TV if you go core. Plus you get the wireless controller as standard with premium.

  • Dr.Mott #617 6 years ago

    "You'll want it for the freely downloadable demos- which are a frankly lovely thing to have (only bit of the 360 online service I bother with)
    Unless you are not going to put the machine online AT ALL, the HDD is pretty much essential. "
    Fair enough, I suppose paying an extra £80 (plus the online charge) is better than paying £50 for games I-thought-would-be-good-but-are-shite. Thanks.

  • DrDamn #618 6 years ago

    You only need a gold sub for online gaming - you can still download stuff with the free silver sub Dr.Mott. Unless you mean ISP charges?

  • Penguinzoot #619 6 years ago

    @Dr.Mott

    You don't need to pay for Xbox Live Gold to get stuff including demos off the marketplace.

    With Xbox Live Silver (included free with the 360) you can do everything you can do under Gold, *except* play multiplayer games over Live.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 17:48

  • Dr.Mott #620 6 years ago

    Oh right, then in that case I'm £50 better off. :)
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 17:49

  • Mho7276501 #621 6 years ago

    @ Tayl you said

    Ah right, a Nintendo newb then. Makes sense why you'd still love 'em, I guess.

    I have had every nintendo console, including one of the very first NES machines in the country, an i still love 'em!

  • BillGaitas #622 6 years ago

    i wasnt going to buy a Ps3 on the launch or before a price drop, but this delay makes me think that the price drop will be even more delayed.

    That sucks

  • Tayl #623 6 years ago

    @Mho7276501
    That's swell. I've had NES, SNES, Nintendo 64 (at launch), GameCube (at launch) in my possession at various times myself. The limit of my willingness to give 'em the benefit of the doubt was reached in having to wait three fucking years for my GC purchase to be remotely validated (Resident Evil 4), and I would surmise that I ain't exactly alone in having gone through that.

  • kangarootoo #624 6 years ago

    @smelly

    Man, and then you complain when people bate you. Real PS3 footage HAS been shown in public (though to be honest, even if it hadn't is no excuse for such blatant use of the copy+paste functions ;) ).

  • kangarootoo #625 6 years ago

    @BillGaitas

    Price drops tend to happen in response to the market and competitors as well as a company's own profits, so this delay may not make any difference. It usually takes a year for price cuts of any consequence to start happening anyway.

  • secombe #626 6 years ago

    Posted in the middle of August by myself...

    "Reading between the lines they are going to syphon off some of the European hardware to Japan and the US, and Europe may not get much (or any) until Spring 2007."

    I should be one of those industry analysts or something, so obvious that this was going to happen.

    Wii's looking in even better shape now, DS part 2?

  • souljah #627 6 years ago

    @Les

    "I hate MS and will never pay a single euro for any of their shitty products but you have to hand it to them how time and again they manage create huge success with inferior products. "

    And the 360 is a shitty product because.....??

  • belziah #628 6 years ago

    Tayl

    You make the dangerous assumption that the single-cell organism streaking round the vacuous cosmos of his skull (and only kept captive by the fact that he doesnt trim his ear hair) could generate enough energy to create a puff of smoke.

  • jonse1977 #629 6 years ago

    Well i've had it with Sony - just gone and taken the plunge on a 360. Anyone want a 360 for a good price just got to currys.co.uk and enter voucher code PERK20 - you get £20 off £200 spend - just got my 360 premium for £256 :)

  • SeesThroughAll #630 6 years ago

    I hate MS and will never pay a single euro for any of their shitty products but you have to hand it to them how time and again they manage create huge success with inferior products.

    1. How does this apply to the X360?

    2. But you do USE them, right? If you do, shame on you.

  • Mr_Brown #631 6 years ago

    Who said they couldn't do any worse than the Xbox 360 launch? At least some people got their consoles by January...lol Sony have f*cked their launch up more than I could have imagined...

  • bladeaku #632 6 years ago

    Anyone remember reading not so long ago that the pal machines were the first of the production line?
    Well that now has proven to be a giant pile of bullshit.
    It might work out good in the end if people can import one from play asia or lik sang.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 18:23

  • effinwooly #633 6 years ago

    well its a 360 for me !!! sony has fucked up !!!!

  • BillGaitas #634 6 years ago

    688

  • Sid_The_Sloth #635 6 years ago

    I'd be lying if I said I was suprised. Sony just cant seem to get it´s act together. Expecially in Europe.

    Im picking up a Wii, adding it to my 360

  • bladeaku #636 6 years ago

    Corporate lies you got to love them

    http://pl aystation3.wordpress.com/2006/0...

  • Tayl #637 6 years ago

    The 360's a worthwhile enough purchase on it's own merits, IMO. It should be immaterial what Sony say or do when it comes to making that particular choice- just 'cause one console's being handled appalingly shouldn't immediately imbue the other side with everyone's undying faith. Reflexive defections are just evidenciary of consumer sheepism in reverse i.e. "because Sony suck, MS must be great!", and I don't think that's exactly the wisest criteria available, considering the not-insignificant outlay involved.

    /just sayin'.

  • Fozzie_bear #638 6 years ago

    Bugger it. I'll get a bloody 360 then.

    Wow - still going eh?!? What's all this about userIDs?

    /looks

    Big shout to the sub_K cru... ;)

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • #639 6 years ago

    Tayl said: The limit of my willingness to give 'em the benefit of the doubt was reached in having to wait three fucking years for my GC purchase to be remotely validated (Resident Evil 4)

    Foolish boy, holding on to a console for that length of time if it had no games you wanted to play.

    The rest of us were enjoying the best of what the GC had to offer, in your opinion they didn't float your boat, but there are a lot of folk out there who enjoyed the GameCube classics. I'm one of them :)

  • stepneg #640 6 years ago

    @Tayl

    It's not just the lie's but that combined with the fact that they quite clearly don't give a stuff about europe. MS still launched here even though they knew US customers would be short in supply as well, thats the kick in the teeth from Sony.



  • Mr_Brown #641 6 years ago

    Guess the people who should be hurting the most are the guys who pre ordered and payed £150 budget...how ripped off will they feel now?

  • Les #642 6 years ago

    "And the 360 is a shitty product because.....??"

    The 360 in this case might not be so much a shitty product (as opposed to all iterations of windows, office, etc.), I have no experience with it besides demo stands in game shops, but it sure is inferior. But as I've said before, the mass often isn't interested in cutting edge technology. They don't want the best, they want something that is adequate and is affordable. Like Volkswagen, MS has discovered that you earn more by being average.

  • BillGaitas #643 6 years ago

    But they told me i was going to be part of the ps3's family :'(

    698

  • Tayl #644 6 years ago

    "Foolish boy, holding on to a console for that length of time if it had no games you wanted to play"

    I wasn't exactly holding candlelight vigils during that whole time, ya know. The fact that three years went by without anything remotely resembling a worthwhile purchase popping up does tend to resonate in the memory though, just a wee tad.

    "there are a lot of folk out there who enjoyed the GameCube classics."

    Statistically speaking, there weren't. Most of us were too busy being entertained by the constant influx of killer titles on Xbox/PS2 to notice the secondary scraps the GC was intermittently receiving. Metroid Prime & a kiddieporn version of Zelda don't exactly make for a killer back catalogue, IMO.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 18:51

  • BartonFink #645 6 years ago

    Oooo 700 posts.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 18:51

  • rauper Verified Managing Director, Eurogamer Network #646 6 years ago

    Big shout to the sub_10 crew! :p

  • zoidberg #647 6 years ago

    this ... is ... the ... longest ... thread ... ever.

    and it's for something that doesn't exist, and won't for another 12 months :(

  • BartonFink #648 6 years ago

    Whaddaya blatherin about raups?

  • Tayl #649 6 years ago

    Les- "but it sure is inferior"

    Actually, it's the most powerful console ever to be made available, and will remain so for quite a while yet. I myself have no love for MS the entity, but the Xbox 360's a damn fine machine regardless of anyone's perception of it's manufacturer.

  • Les #650 6 years ago

    "2. But you do USE them, right? If you do, shame on you."

    Unfortunately, I must. I have a job. But at home it's Linux (saving for a Mac, which now might arrive earlier than expected. I've got about €800 extra to spare and my ATI video card broke down the other day).

  • cyber_nicco #651 6 years ago

    This is the last comment on this thread.

    (at this exact instant, at least)

  • axd3 #652 6 years ago

    Okey, my ps3 fond is now my 360+games fond! Nextgen my ass......

  • Tayl #653 6 years ago

    @cyber_nicco
    Congrats...and usurped!

  • Les #654 6 years ago

    Totally unrelated, but does anyone know whether SLI or Crossfire is finally possible on the new Mac Pro? And whether Half Life 2 will run smoothly with it under XP with Bootcamp? (can get if for free with the company license, XP not HL2).
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 19:16

  • SeesThroughAll #655 6 years ago

    But at home it's Linux (saving for a Mac, which now might arrive earlier than expected. I've got about €800 extra to spare and my ATI video card broke down the other day).

    Glad to hear :)

  • Crashmasters #656 6 years ago

    My sincerest sympathy lies with all the European Sony fans.
    This is a tragic day. My heart goes out to you.
    Again you are deluded by Sony.

    I take a minute of silence commemorating the pre-gaming pleasure that has been lost by so many today...

    ...and startup my Xbox 360.

    My god, that thing is noisy!

  • zapzone #657 6 years ago

    omg my friend wanted a ps3 and now I can tell him he can't have one. hahaha. He will have to buy a 360 like I have. So there. unless he buys a wii.

    Seriously Sony, bad show. Bad show indeed.

  • Shyvah #658 6 years ago

    Hmmm... Not sure reading all those comments was really the most productive use of my time... ;)

  • dredd97 #659 6 years ago

    hardly unexpected, if a bit annoying...

    all m$ need now is for nintendo to revert to form and shaft europe (like it has, and still does) and m$ will win big this christmas...

    (only selling 1.5 million xbox 360's in europe in 10 months is nothing to boast about mind!)

  • thinktank #660 6 years ago

    @ les

    "The 360 in this case might not be so much a shitty product (as opposed to all iterations of windows, office, etc.), I have no experience with it besides demo stands in game shops, but it sure is inferior. But as I've said before, the mass often isn't interested in cutting edge technology. They don't want the best, they want something that is adequate and is affordable. Like Volkswagen, MS has discovered that you earn more by being average."

    Justify please, or are you content with just posting an opinion based on nothing?

  • FooAtari #661 6 years ago

    @Les

    "The 360 in this case might not be so much a shitty product (as opposed to all iterations of windows, office, etc.), I have no experience with it besides demo stands in game shops, but it sure is inferior. But as I've said before, the mass often isn't interested in cutting edge technology. They don't want the best, they want something that is adequate and is affordable. Like Volkswagen, MS has discovered that you earn more by being average. "

    The 360 is inferior in what way?

    and I take you didnt own a PS2 then, seeing as it is technically inferior to the Xbox (not sure about the Cube, although it had better looking games anyway)

    And Tayl, if someone only owned a Cube, here are 10 games that average 90% or more

    1. Metroid Prime
    2. RE 4 (superior version)
    3. Windwaker
    4. SXX 3
    5. SC2 (with Zelda)
    6. MP2 Echoes
    7. PoP Sands of Time
    8. Viewtiful Joe (exclusive when relased)
    9. Supermario Sunshine
    10. Tigerwoods 2003.

    Exclusives or not that's ten games right there that are worth playing. The Cube had plenty of great games, admitadly not as many AAA as the PS2 had but some of the best of the last generation. Also games like F-Zero, Eternal Darkness and Super Smash Brothers. Also the GC and Black Xbox are actually pretty equal on units sold, the Xbox has sold more but I dont think it's by much. All im saying is GC was a good peice of hardware that just lacked third part support.

  • dredd97 #662 6 years ago

    he's probably doing what you do thinktank, making an opinion based on nothing ;)

  • dredd97 #663 6 years ago

    oh god, just when the conversation was getting normal up pops the obligitory ninty fan with more shit to spout...

  • #664 6 years ago

    @Tayl

    Most of us who had a GC had it as a second console. Yes, it would have been nice to see good third party support but it never happened. The fact that you do not agree, as most do that Metroid Prime was one of THE defining games of last generation seems at odds with the fact you are obviously a gamer who likes to play good games.

    So, I also got to play all the good stuff on the PS2 but like many other GC owners, the reason I had it was for the unparalleled quality of the Nintendo first party stuff. It's worth owning one just for MP, Paper Mario 2 or even F-Zero GX (which although not first party is one hell of a stunning game and GC only).

    This isn't an argument you can win, it's just your opinion versus mine. Of course by that token it's not an argument I can win either, but I enjoy the discussion.

  • dredd97 #665 6 years ago

    the reason ninty got shit 3rd party support, is because of the way ninty had treated 3rd party developers, so when the ps1 popped up, they were all glad to jump ship...and stayed with sony

  • thinktank #666 6 years ago

    0_o Wtf

    /gets blindsided by derdd97

  • Rodster #667 6 years ago

    My sincerest sympathy lies with all the European Sony fans.
    This is a tragic day. My heart goes out to you.
    Again you are deluded by Sony.

    I take a minute of silence commemorating the pre-gaming pleasure that has been lost by so many today...

    ...and startup my Xbox 360.

    My god, that thing is noisy!
    -------------------------------------
    You don't know what loud is m8 until you attach Nyko's Intercooler 360 to your machine ;)

  • dredd97 #668 6 years ago

    so what shall we talk about now, just so we can push this all the way to the big 1000 posts?

  • thinktank #669 6 years ago

    England score prediction tonite?

  • Ihya #670 6 years ago

    Wow, just need to be in this monster thread.

    This is sad news for gaming as a whole. The 360 fanbots finding this news a delight just don't realise that anything this big impacts on their own cherished system indirectly as well.

    Imagine if the Russians had pulled out of the space race in the 60's... would we have ever got to the moon as soon as we did?

    :(

  • thinktank #671 6 years ago

    Steve's favourite tv show as a kid was thunderbirds, but he always had place in his heart for sting ray.

    Sorry

  • The12thMonkey #672 6 years ago

    We've already had a glut of Steve Irwin jokes. Look back about seven pages.

  • yagisencho #673 6 years ago

    Sony to Europe: Die in a fire.

  • thinktank #674 6 years ago

    the12thmonkey

    Usualy i would read through the entire thread but i think you can forgive me jumping to the last page on this occasion

    738!!!!

  • FooAtari #675 6 years ago

    @dredd97

    Not a Ninty fan, or anti Ninty, just a gamer. My GC has been in a drawer for 6 months now though, not enough room to have everything out and plugged in at the same time. Mainly playing guitar hero on the PS2 recently....

    And your damn right about why Ninty lost third party support. They were total bastards to third party devs through late 80's, early 90's.

    I was just pointing out to someone that GC had plenty of good games, that's all, it wasnt 4 years before something that was worth playing arrived. It had some generation defining games, as N always seem to manage.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 19:57

  • Yossarian #676 6 years ago

    I'm not crowing over Sony's 'defeat' in Europe, because a) they are nowhere near defeated, and b) what I actually want is a 50-50 split between MS and Sony, which will sustain both and drive both to work for the other half. the only winner in that tie is the consumer.

  • #677 6 years ago

    This is quite funny, don't read unless you have a sense of humour.

  • Hudsonhawk #678 6 years ago

    Ok guys... why don't we send an E-mail to this nice Sony person, just to let him know how much we all like the way we're all treated by the all mighty... :-)

    nick_sharples@scee.net

    My guess is that SCEE will really appriciate all of our best wishes...
    And no .. I'm not a PS hater... just a very disappointed gamer :-)
    Now come on you all... lets send the guy some fan mail :-)
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 20:18

  • #679 6 years ago

    Yossarian said: I'm not crowing over Sony's 'defeat' in Europe, because a) they are nowhere near defeated, and b) what I actually want is a 50-50 split between MS and Sony, which will sustain both and drive both to work for the other half. the only winner in that tie is the consumer.

    There is no room for Ninty in your plans, and that's one of its major flaws. Also, 50/50 is to comfortable, we need them to be pushing each other for the consumer to really win.

  • FooAtari #680 6 years ago

    It would appear Sony are on a roll today....

    "According to Sony, the official US PlayStation 3 site's caveat that the HDMI connection is required for 1080p signals in Blu-ray movies is fallout from uncertainty over the Image Constraint Token - a next-generation anti-piracy measure.
    Sony has made an issue of pointing out that 1080p, which the Xbox 360 is incapable of, is the Holy Grail of "full HD". As it stands now, the only game that is running in 1080p, said Fargher, is Gran Turismo HD - a tech demo crafted by Polyphony to showcase what the system is capable of.

    This is in line with our earlier report, where a development source told Kikizo that, "even with [final hardware] in mind, reaching good frame rates at 1080p with next-gen graphics is almost impossible. Instead many developers, ourselves included, are reworking so they run at 720p. "


    In other words, movies will play at 1080p. Games won't, and maybe never will. Not that this is really new, but it's always distressing to have the obvious reiterated officially."

    [link url=http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/no-1080p-for-ps3-ga mes-198852.php
    ]http://ko taku.com/gaming/sony/no-1080p-f...[/link]

    1080p this and 1080p that we hear sony cry. But it appears no one can do it, not for the moment at least. Could be a few years before we see it. I belive that the few games which have been "confirmed" as 1080p, are running at 1080p/30, not much better than 1080i, and not 1080p/60 true 1080p.

    Havent got a link to that though so feel free to prove me wrong :)
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 20:07

  • bauhaus #681 6 years ago

    Holbys on

  • BillGaitas #682 6 years ago

    It's a bird! It's a plane! No, It's Superman!
    tatatata tatatata tatatatatatatata

    No wait its only a flying ps3, teasing all european consumers qho will have to wait till March.

    747

  • jiveguy #683 6 years ago

    I'm only posting in this thread because its really big.

  • BillGaitas #684 6 years ago

    ist bigger than that, its really really really big

  • Les #685 6 years ago

    "Justify please, or are you content with just posting an opinion based on nothing?"

    Have you ever worked with Windows or Office?! While I'll admit XP is better than previous Windows versions once you've downloaded each and every patch, it's not on par with OS X. But before XP, Windows was absolutely horrific and still managed to keep the OS monopoly handed to it back when IBM thought hardware would earn you more money than software. I don't believe they've EVER sold a product reaping a 85% margin...

    Office hasn't advanced at all since WordPerfect and Lotus Notes were forced out of the market (I know they sport new features, most of which are useless, only meant to increase system requirements so that you'll have to buy a new PC every few years, which in most cases comes bundled with that nice copy of windows with it's 85% profit margin which in turn finances the Xbox division trying to destroy Sony and Nintendo so that in a few years time consumers will have even less choice but at least window's margin can increase even more) but simply formatting a PowerPoint presentation or working with headings and bullets in Word is still bound to get you headaches.

    These are MS's main sources of income, the Xbox division is only there to counter the threat a networked console with multimedia capabilities (aka PlayStation) might pose to MS's OS monopoly.

    Btw, stock markets don't seem to think Europe that important either. Sony's stock is hardly performing worse than that of their industry peers...

  • dredd97 #686 6 years ago

    @fooatari

    sorry mate, no problem..

    all systems have their pros and cons.. in fact I have a ps2, ds, gamecube, xbox, xbox360 and a ps1...our gamecube is propping open the nursery for our daughter (she's just turned 1)

    really wanted a ps3, but now i'm not sure, not because it won't be a great games machine (it will) but because sony have bet the farm on a propriatory media system which nobody really wants.. DVD has still got 3 or 4 years left in it HDTV hasn't reached the kind of market saturation that sony (or even m$) think it has...

    I'd managed to squirrel away about £2k for a hdtv and a ps3, but instead it's going on an expensive new laptop (my old one comitted suicide during the july heatwave) and will buy a ps3 sometime in 2008 (but don't hold me to that)

    on a side note (and as i actually own an xbox360, and will get a ninty wii too) can't wait for half life 2, pes 6...

  • FooAtari #687 6 years ago

    Les, doesnt exaclty explain why the 360 is inferior though.

    I use Linux from time to time, XP has many flaws, and MS have had some dodgy business practices in the past and today? However there are some good reasons why windows took an early hold over the OS market, but that's for another thread on another site or on the forums maybe :)

    Like you though I dont want to see MS own the gaming market, but at the same time I can't help but think Sony have no one to blame but themselves this time around... TBH, id be happy with an even 33.3333333333 spit.

  • FooAtari #688 6 years ago

    Thats cool dredd. Do you not have an Xbox then? Half-life 2 isnt half bad on that. Struggles a bit when the action reall kicks off, but over all there was only game spoiling slow down once or tice over the whole game. It seems to be pretty cheap now too.

  • cawley1 #689 6 years ago

    At message >750 I doubt anyone will read this, but anyway.

    I have read about 200 comments into this post - the fact still reamains that Sony is the #1 brand in the console market, and delaying the system until 2007 in Europe is unlikely to make a huge difference in the overall scheme of things.

    I imported my US Dreamcast about a year before PS2 came along - I was enjoying Soul Calibur, Powerstone etc. and I knew the 'emotion engine' and 'we can't allow this into Iraq' stories were bollox, but it didn't stop the mass market ignoring the DC and embracing the PS2 when it finally showed.

    Here and now and don't have the time for games that I used to, so I will import a Wii, and get my Son a Euro 360, the PS3 can wait until it is affordable - I love my PSP but between that and PS3 I think Sony is making some huge mistakes right now, it is amazing they have not learnt from Atari and Nintendo that even if you own the market once you take it for granted, there are no guarantees!

    For Chrimbo I will be getting a DS off the Missus, roll on New Mario Bros!

  • Darkuss #690 6 years ago

    Sony made too many mistakes this time... Would it be too harsh to say that they deserve to lose this battle, just to be a lesson for them...

  • bauhaus #691 6 years ago

    That is a bit harsh

    Lets just refrain from sending them xmas cards, that'll learn them

  • smelly #692 6 years ago

    Geesus!

    If everyone in this thread bought a ps3, sony would have no problems!


    (lets see if we can hit 1000!)

  • blueguy800 #693 6 years ago

    guys sonys boss for europe david reeves said in an interview with trade paper mcv that sony will get the first ps3's manufactured.

    LIN K----pwv3.preys-world.com/ps3/news/291/

    I hope you guys read this and know that sony is throwing euros for a bone imo.
    this was announced only a few months back and well today that is clearly not the case..
    REMEMBER two things before buying a 360 now
    1.they are loud as fuck with those fans
    2.wait until microsoft releases the new chip in the 360 on 65nm technology early next year it will be worth it.
    But thats all my post just know that yes the americas may get the first PS3's but euros will have there taste of the brew soon I SAY WAIT FOR PS3 SO WHOS COMING WITH ME!!!!!
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 20:56

  • smelly #694 6 years ago

    "but it didn't stop the mass market ignoring the DC and embracing the PS2 when it finally showed. "

    Yes, the dreamcast was obviously better hardware. But sega made a number of fuck ups and no-one really trusted them since the previous hardware messups (saturn, etc). And at the time, people were genuinely happy with their psones, and didnt feel the need to upgrade.

    Added to which sega had fuck all money to market the thing.

    Microsoft on other hand have more cash than they know what to do with, and nintendo is the only console maker to constantly make a profit. Both have money to spend on advertising. And the ps2 was looking past it technically even when it launched, let alone now!

    Comparing the ps2/dreamcast situation against the ps3/360/wii situation aint gonna happen.


    >I SAY WAIT FOR PS3 SO WHOS COMING WITH ME!!!!!

    Not me! I'd rather spend the money on a graphically superior 360 and a wii.

    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 20:56

  • Steroyd #695 6 years ago

    Wow i go off to watch the footy match and it's jumped to 750+

    I'd be scared to think what'd happen when i'd go to sleep o_O

    1000, 1000, 1000!!!

    Yes Sony have made mistakes but MS isn't capitilising on it either.

  • Tiel #696 6 years ago

    A thousand you say?

  • smelly #697 6 years ago

    I think sony is waiting for next weeks big Wii announcement to see what they can copy next :-)

  • Les #698 6 years ago

    @ Footari

    Would be impossible to argue the 360 is inferior to the PS3 (or Wii) as the latter is not released yet. In specs PS3 seems a bit better equiped, but it remains to be seen this will result in better games, with almost all games being multi platform these days). I know I said all MS products, most of it would probably have been better phrased but would also have been more boring.

    But 360 is just a side business for Microsoft, as explained in the earlier post, although of vital strategic importance in the long run.

    A 33.33 market share will not happen, at least not in the long run if the video games market doesn't get significantly bigger. The huge necessary investments in R&D and hardware production can only be turned into a profit with lots of games sold. Sony needs it's video game business to make a profit, as does Nintendo. For MS it's an insignificant market for their bottom line, they don't even need to actually make a profit. I don't think Nintendo went the direction they took with the Wii just because they think consumers want innovation. The investments in the Wii were relatively small as compared to those in PS3 and 360. Their break-even-point in number of games sold per console will probably be a lot lower than that of PS3 and 360.

  • dredd97 #699 6 years ago

    they shouldn't have pinned the playstation brand with that blue-ray debacle..

    i'm sure when ken envisaged the ps3 he didn't see it being hi-jacked by the sony board of directors and forced to adopting the blue-ray straight jacket...

    sony used to make great consoles... the ps1 was a huge hit because it was a simple piece of kit that (at the time) had great 3d graphics, was a cd player and was a marketing dream..

    ps2 was a great console, and offered a relatively cheap dvd player (at the time) could play your cd's too and was also a marketing dream (thanks to the playstation name no doubt)

    the ps3 should have been like the xbox360, simple and uncomplicated, but no, somebody in sony (and i doubt it was ken) decided that a new video media was needed because hdtv was going to explode and sony didn't want to be left behind, so they looked around and though 'what if we make the ps3 a trojan horse and get our hdtv storage system to market.. it can't fail'

    it might not fail, but it is dragging down one of the best names in consoles, just so a few movie companys can squeeze us for a bit more cash...

    'this way, we can force them to buy all their dvd movies again'

    the ps3 has nothing to do with games, it's all about DRM and how we can be bent over and shafted royaly by the entertainment industry...just so some half baked burger flipper can demand £20 million for his next movie....

    'but wait DRM is all about protecting the artist!'

    bollocks is it, it's all about protecting non talent suits from getting that £500k bonus this christmas, if it was about the artist, you'd let them sell their creations how they want to sell them, and not chase 6 year old girls through the courts just because you think she might have downloaded something off the internet you have no control over...

    if this seems like a lip curling dribble of a rant , then yes guilty as charged, just miffed that a console is being used for a game of eco-political chess between a bunch of technology and movie companies...

  • zoidberg #700 6 years ago

    don't think it has the staying power to reach 1000 posts... just not gonna happen.

  • bloodflowers #701 6 years ago

    I'm expecting PS3 to make the 360 look like the model of reliability. At this rate each one will ship from china with a little guy inside the crate assembling it on the flight over.

  • dredd97 #702 6 years ago

    @smelly

    for a guy who claims he an't a ninty fanboy, you sure do suck up to them...

    have you ever posted anything positive about playstation?

    all your play on words imply yo have an ego larger than bill gates's bank account...

    what it boils down to is that although sony sold 100 mill ps2 these 100 mill people are wrong because you have told us all how superior the dreamcast was in everyway, and they are all sheep, and only true hardcore gamers buy things like dreamcast?

    am i right here?

  • FooAtari #703 6 years ago

    So Les, you agree, at this moment the 360 is not inferior, despite what you said earlier...

    Another thing I got thinking about. Was there any kind of confirmation from sony about game costs? Will some games really cost £70? (I'm sure thats what came out of E3, but could be wrong)

    When PS3 is released, MS may cut the price of the 360 premium, say to £250. Have Halo 3, and games that cost £40 - £50 in shops. By that point also a fairly decent library, and maybe a budget range of games consisting of launch titles. Or at least shops should be slling them cheap

    At the moment, all I can see is a big uphill battle for the PS3 if it costs £425 and games are going to cost £60 or over (but maybe I got that part wrong).

    And this isnt considering what the Wii will do, as we dont have a price yet and it's a bit of an unknown. Although I think it may do quite well.

    The MS launch was a bit of a disaster, but at least they delivered what they promised with the hardware and it was a decent price. I think the games are bit over priced for 360 though, but I never pay RRP anyway.

    Well said Dredd!! The PS3 is less about Games and more aobut a way for Sony to try and force their proprietry(sp?) standards on the market and enforcing DRM to make cash, which the artisit will see little of. PS3 is little more than a tool in Sonys Blu-ray and DRM plans.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 21:22

  • Les #704 6 years ago

    The disappointment over this announcement isn't exactly becoming less... I'm imagining myself reading glowing reviews of PS3 software from November on and not being able to play those damn games for another couple of months... Just days ago, when the diode disaster first leaked out, those bastards denied the whole story... Someone should give these guys a PR training. If they're smart, they'll hire the guy MS hired too.

    @ FooAtari

    Yeah, got a little carried away. But I'll never buy a product of theirs until the day I'll have no options left. Which is probably approaching faster than I'd like.

    But the time that consoles have been just games machines was over two generations go already. Sony wants to use PS3 to establish Blu-ray and probably DRM. MS uses 360 to consolidate it's OS monopoly. The latter seems more threatening to consumers to me.
    Edited by 4 at 06/09/06 @ 21:33

  • HarryB #705 6 years ago

    waaaay

  • matrim83 #706 6 years ago

    Whats the big deal. A couple of old threads went waay over a thousand posts. WWE Raw thread (I think) comes to mind.

    But then again back then they also allowed unregistered posters. I bet this would be over 1500 if they still let you do that.

    Anyway back on topic -
    Bad Sony! Go stand in the corner.

  • chupachups #707 6 years ago

    "I'm imagining myself reading glowing reviews of PS3 software from November on and not being able to play those damn games for another couple of months..."

    But you probably wouldn't have been able to play it anyway, even if they had released it as planned. The majority of people who pre-order it probably won't get it before Xmas, and won't get it on the launch day.

  • Les #708 6 years ago

    Why would anyone write a post about WWE Raw?! Oh, damn...

  • bauhaus #709 6 years ago

    If people bought a 2nd PS2 cos the first broke, says a lot about how good the things are. Normally something breaks and I usually never purchase from that company again.

    I bought my 2nd cos it was chipped. That broke :(

  • immateriaux #710 6 years ago

    @Les.

    The XBOX can hardly be considered a side project for Microsoft. They are writing off roughly 25% of their cash reserve in losses on both XBox and Xbox360. I'm not sure why Microsoft is so keen on forcing it's console on people but keen they do seem to be.

  • admir #711 6 years ago

    atleast ps2 owners will have new games to play on their PS2. unlike MS and nitendo and Wii is not even out. thats how much their care about the fanboys. its good that they dont rush it to realese the ps3 gives even more time for developers to polish their games for EU. there is nothing negative to say about the push. but also some people are dissapionted.

  • #712 6 years ago

    @admir

    It's great we're getting new games for our PS2, did you know we are even going to get some for the GameCube?

    Gamers don't give a toss what platform they play the best games on, as long as they can play the best games. Yes, it costs us a fortune in getting all the consoles, but it's our hobby and that's the choice we make.

    At the end of the day, we just want to play amazing games. If the PS3 produces those then we'll buy it.

  • Toonster #713 6 years ago

    Wow, talk about being late to the party. (I was talking about me)

  • admir #714 6 years ago

    Zelda thats all iam waiting for and it will be my last Zelda game. never again buying nitendo products

  • #715 6 years ago

    admir wrote: Zelda thats all iam waiting for and it will be my last Zelda game. never again buying nitendo products

    Dont be like that! We'd miss your insight into the games industry, it's so refreshing and worth reading.

  • admir #716 6 years ago

    790 comments

  • tenma #717 6 years ago

    first!

    edit: oops.

    Hey guys, did you hear about the ps3 delay? Crazy, huh?!
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 22:18

  • Yossarian #718 6 years ago

    "I'm not sure why Microsoft is so keen on forcing it's console on people but keen they do seem to be."

    the reasons are pretty obvious

  • Hughes. #719 6 years ago

    Arf! 790 posts. Mind you, I've seen Penguinzoot say that exact same thing 3 times in recent days, so I suspect people have started c & p'ing previous replies just to bump the numbers up. 1000 HERE WE COME!!

    See, Sony is still the biggest news in gaming!

  • captain-future #720 6 years ago

    The only thing I wonder - will the Eurogamer website crash and burn when the counter hits 999 and resets to zero OR will it unspectacularily jump to 1000?

    /wonders......

  • Gl3n #721 6 years ago

    There was an awesome article on how Sony could be proper dead on wired.com

    If you ask nicely i'll see if i can find it :p

  • #722 6 years ago

    Go on Gl3n, search it out.

  • Jandurin #723 6 years ago

    I'm... tired of reading. I have noticed that the 360 folks are listing crap games a lot. What about the sweet RPG's that are supposed to come out? Am I the only one interested in the 360 only for Culdcept, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and (well, gotta have one FPS type in there) Team Fortress 2?

    Looks like by the time this was posted, Nintendo bashing was in, and XBox touting was out. My bad.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 23:16

  • Redeye #724 6 years ago

    Last! (Or quite possibly not.)

    Anyone told the joke about the three SCE execs, the donkey and the defibrilator yet?

    Well...

    /disconnected

  • Yossarian #725 6 years ago

    I don't like the look/style of Blue Dragon much, but what I remember of Lost Odyssey (dreamy trailer, some premise about you being immortal) was positive

  • immateriaux #726 6 years ago


    ""I'm not sure why Microsoft is so keen on forcing it's console on people but keen they do seem to be."

    the reasons are pretty obvious "

    Like what? Losing large amounts of money? It will be years before MS can corner the market and then what? Start charging over £500 for each XBox to try finally make it profitable? Or, as I suspect, is the prospect of monthly charges their goal?

  • Yossarian #727 6 years ago

    I think the prospect of being at the heart of home entertainment and networking is why they're keen. Games an' Live an' microtransactions an' all are pretty sweet, but having people extend (pun very much intend) their home entertainment from their Windows PC onto their 360 onto their TV onto their mobile with Live Anywhere is why they're keen. Swamping everything in your living room and beyond with their software is why they're keen

    similarly, Sony are clinging desperately to the leaden lifesaver that is Blu-Ray because they can sneak it into households worldwide through their one successful division, establish it as the home video solution, and maybe just maybe pull themselves out of the hole they're in. the entire corporation's future may well hinge on whether the public buys the PS3

    the console war is about a lot more than consoles

  • chupachups #728 6 years ago

    Hey, guess what: point your browsers to Amazon UK and you'll notice that the Xbox 360 has shot up to the top spot on their games hardware chart.

    It's the first time anything's overtaken the DS Lite, so it seems a lot of people have cancelled their PS3 pre-orders today and decided to get a next gen console right now.


    "Like what? Losing large amounts of money? It will be years before MS can corner the market and then what? Start charging over £500 for each XBox to try finally make it profitable? Or, as I suspect, is the prospect of monthly charges their goal?"

    Here's a possible scenario: Xbox Live currently sells budget games and various add-ons as downloads, but what if it could sell music, and films, and full games, and serious software?

    We know MS is about to launch a range of iPod-rivals, maybe Live will be their iTunes-rival.

    If Live takes off as a service in its own right, they could start releasing cut-down 360s intended just for multimedia use, with no expensive games hardware.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 23:04

  • immateriaux #729 6 years ago

    @prawnking - that was my whole point you so ably missed, once Sony are out of the equation you can hardly expect MS to keep losing billions as they are currently doing.

    @Yossarion - I find it hard to imagine MS will have the ability to reach that goal but I do accept your point: eg I've been surprised at the success they are managing to stumble towards with Windows Mobile, so I guess ultimately anything is possible when you have reservoirs of cash at your disposal.

  • dadrester #730 6 years ago

    \o/ First!






    oh.

  • Jandurin #731 6 years ago

    Hmm.... It sure must be nice to be filthy rich. Bastards. Having the resources to throw untold amounts of money directed solely at "hardcore" gamers! They should be put to shame for trying to use... MONEY... to make MONEY. Not like anyone else ever had that idea. Regardless, I think it makes the most sense to make money from the get-go, like Nintendo. Now, that's my style of business.

    Edit: Funny, upon thinking about it, I'm not sure I've ever given Microsoft a single cent out of my wallet. Save for Windows already being installed on a PC I was purchasing or summat. Not sure I actually will be ready for the 360 even when the games get good.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 23:27

  • FooAtari #732 6 years ago

    @immateriaux

    that was my whole point you so ably missed, once Sony are out of the equation you can hardly expect MS to keep losing billions as they are currently doing.

    Yeah I can. If there was a monopoly in gaming, which I very much doubt is going to happen anytime soon, but if there was I dont think it would last long. I for one would never spend £500 on a console. If it came to that I would 100% retro or PC or both. My hobby of video games here and now would be over at that point. As would the many people who only by consoles when they drop to £100 - £200. If such a thing was to happen, thats the point at someone else could step in, much like Sony did and be successful.

    "I find it hard to imagine MS will have the ability to reach that goal but I do accept your point: eg I've been surprised at the success they are managing to stumble towards with Windows Mobile, so I guess ultimately anything is possible when you have reservoirs of cash at your disposal.
    ignore poster"

    However, I think you underestimate MS. Do you know how much money that have to throw at this ultimate goal? A lot..... And while I hate to admit I did find there E3 conference very interesting when they talked about Live Anywhere and integrating Xbox and PC.

  • Xerx3s #733 6 years ago

    Wow, the comments section has a 'jump to page' button? ;)

    Looks like EG had some nice page hit numbers today.

  • BartonFink #734 6 years ago

    It's much like Sony themselves Xerx3s quantity over quality eh? ;)

  • Penguinzoot #735 6 years ago

    @Hughes.

    "Mind you, I've seen Penguinzoot say that exact same thing 3 times in recent days, so I suspect people have started c & p'ing previous replies just to bump the numbers up."

    You obviously have better eyes than me then. And a better memory. I have no recollection of c & p'ing previous replies in recent days at all.

    My comment appeared in the first page of this thread. Don't really think that qualifies as bumping the numbers up either actually. But I guess this post does though ....

    Ooops :-)

    Anyway, I think Yossarian is right. The whole console "war" between MS and Sony has more to do with competing corporate visions and the battle for the living room / entertainment centre / "connected devices" (Live Anywhere anyone?), and revenue sourcing than gaming consoles as such.

    Because of the potential rewards, both companies are obviously prepared to invest a lot in bringing their own "vision" into your living room. Microsoft are prepared for the long haul, Sony are betting the farm on BluRay. Both know how important it is they succeed.

    For both companies now, the consoles themselves are a means to an end - a step along the way to their own respective visions.

    EDIT: Speeling

    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 23:41

  • SeesThroughAll #736 6 years ago

    If such a thing was to happen, thats the point at someone else could step in, much like Sony did and be successful.

    You forget something yourself. Sega, Nintendo, and Sony do not have the means MS has for setting unsurpassable barriers of entry for any eventual competitors. Illegally if need be. If MS attains monopoly, you can bet the market will belong to them for a very long time... whether this would be good or bad, it's up to consumers to figure out in the long run.

    But all things considered, Nintendo actually are harder to eliminate than Sony, so a monopoly scenario is not too likely for a while.
    Edited by 1 at 06/09/06 @ 23:47

  • immateriaux #737 6 years ago

    @ FooAtari - yes, it is hard to imagine a monopoly in gaming consoles but when I started in IT it was hard to imagine that every desktop (essentially) would be using a Microsoft OS etc etc. The Home PC has, in my opinion, been set back ten to fifteen years because of the MS monoply there - what we are doing now we really should have been doing in the early nineties. And I don't under-estimate MS's store of cash, I fear it! :(

  • smelly #738 6 years ago

    @dredd97 : Quote:


    what it boils down to is that although sony sold 100 mill ps2 these 100 mill people are wrong because you have told us all how superior the dreamcast was in everyway, and they are all sheep, and only true hardcore gamers buy things like dreamcast?

    no, i said the dreamcast was a better machine, but due to numerous fuck ups at sega and lack of marketing budget, and the fact that people were happy with their psones, no-one bought one. But in the case of 360 and the wii, they have marketting budgets, and (in case of 360) havent fucked up royally.

    Have you said anything positive regarding playstations?

    Yes, I owned a psone, and really enjoyed playing on it. And in the post you refer to, I was saying how well it did to beat the technically superior dreamcast (owing oto segas fuckups).

    If anything, I was being anti-sega...

    (Please see original post for whole context of this before people start jumping down my neck).

    So I fail to see why pointing out the ps2 sold a 100 million (or whatever) makes it a better machine? As that was totally not what i was saying - and indeed i think you've missed my point.

    Do you want me to explain in words of 1 sylable?

    Or are you just a little bit dim?

    EVERYONE ELSE Please note: Before reading this out of context and getting upset, and slagging me off.. Please see the page before to realise what a retard this guy is. Search for the word "smelly".
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 00:06

  • secombe #739 6 years ago

    Of all the comments on the web I've read today regarding this situation, this is my favourite...

    "As much as we'd all like to believe Sony are fucked, they aren't. Because they've tapped a market that Nintendo and Sega never could - chavs. The sort of people who only buy a console for FIFA and whatever shitty racing game lets you put the most neon lights on your car. And they're going to buy a PS3 anyway, regardless of how much Sony fucks things up."

  • smelly #740 6 years ago

    @secombe : The thing is - it's funny because its true.

    (hmm.. I think we've just hit the post count limit)

  • BartonFink #741 6 years ago

    @immateriaux - I would like an explanation of exactly how you think MS has set back the home PC 10-15 years. Just interested.

  • Penguinzoot #742 6 years ago

    Me too, immateriaux.

    For me personally as a support engineer in the early nineties before Windows 3.0 (well, Windows 3.1 really I suppose), it was a bloody support nightmare! Just on printer drivers alone! Loads of different Dos apps, all with their own drivers, each with their own proprietary way of doing things, trying to get these bloody apps to work properly on a network .... Just thinking about it makes me shudder!

    /shudders

    Microsofts domination of the OS market may not have been all good, but it hasn't been entirely all bad either.
    Edited by 2 at 07/09/06 @ 00:34

  • ProfessorLesser #743 6 years ago

    That's a fuck-load of comments, guys.

    o_O

  • BartonFink #744 6 years ago

    Penguinzoot - yup it was a fookin nightmare.
    You are right though their domination of the OS market has not been all good.
    I honestly don't get where he's coming from though.

  • smelly #745 6 years ago

    TBH : Im only posting now in attempt to get this up to 1k mark:

    Both machines will have great games that the majority will miss out on thru havin one console only.

    The reality will be that most of the best games will come out on BOTH platforms.

  • BartonFink #746 6 years ago

    It sure is the other two are far more digestible though (good articles to boot)

  • dredd97 #747 6 years ago

    I see that m$ want a bit of cash for vista too...

    $269 for the version that lets you play games...wow crysis is looking like one expensive game!

  • smelly #748 6 years ago

    As someone who's coded for both the ps2 and xbox (but as of 2 years ago, am no longer in industry), the xbox libraries are like a breath of fresh air in comparision.

    Microsoft did good.

    (much better than their OS's - as you say.. But then, pc's are an open architecture, so that wasnt really their fault)

  • BartonFink #749 6 years ago

    And smelly that is true but there will be nuggets of gold on both that will make both machines must buys for a lot of gamers myself included.

  • tonynibbles #750 6 years ago

    In a years time none of this will matter so much will it.

    I just want to see all three consoles on the shelves and some decent competition from all three parties.

  • foxy2006 #751 6 years ago

    i don't think i can read anymore

    /yawns

    the PS3 will be out by the time this thread shuts up.

  • theweaze #752 6 years ago

    The beginning of the end, of the beginning perhaps maybe

  • BartonFink #753 6 years ago

    @tonynibbles - true but by that time we may have the same situation we saw the last time in reverse. MS with critcal mass (10m apparently) and publishers fawning over them. :D

  • immateriaux #754 6 years ago

    @penguin/Barton - I worked with DOS and 3.1 too! But you're taking my comment to mean equating Windows with MS. I wasn't. I meant also the DOS era with that comment. When people were stumbling through DOS setups, there was a wonderful OS already out there, though usually ignored by system admins due to its graphic interface and inability to type commands!! And what IBM then wanted from OS2, Microsoft - by their own recent admission - directly sabotaged. OS2 could have been a very exciting step forward had it been delivered as specced (plus it should realistically have arrived years earlier if MS had not been stalling on its development for IBM). Then, what people were doing on Apples in the late eighties, people only got around to doing in Windows in the late Nineties (though, to be honest, Apple have to carry a lot of blame for that too - they were far too arrogant with what they had originally). In the larger context of things, Win95 was terrible and Win98 not a whole lot better - there were better products out there but these were the only products in the home market people were generally made aware of and went on to use. The development pace of MS then on to Me and finally XP (ignoring enterprise targeted products) was crushingly slow, born, from what I read of MS's development cycles during that time, of unbelieveably bad project management, change control and overall astonishly poor coding practices etc.

    Of course, what I've read on the latter could be wrong etc hence I mentioned it's just the opinion I've formed of things ...
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 00:55

  • bicky316 #755 6 years ago

    Dont know if any1 has said this yet but.....

    LOL!

  • BartonFink #756 6 years ago

    @immateriaux - I suggest more reading

  • immateriaux #757 6 years ago

    Of what? What I'm mostly basing the latter comments on is Bill Gates own words. (though in mature reflection, saying 10-15 years initially was probably a bit over the top alright).

  • BartonFink #758 6 years ago

    History of IBM, Apple, MS, Operating systems might be a start.

  • Tayl #759 6 years ago

    ^^Bill Gates is a saint, OK? The guy's the missing oracle of Delphi, for Chrissakes..

    "What's that Mr Gates? How many kb of RAM will always be enough..?"

  • PS3lol #760 6 years ago

    Sony has pissed all over there fan base like they do every other week. And yet again you all crawl back to drink form there fountain of piss.

    When are you going to get some respect for yourselves as gamers and ditch these lying bastards?. Today they said Europeans are the least important gamers, but in March they'll expect you to pay more for PS3 than Americans and Japanese,

    Yet you still make excuses for them, so sad to see people so brainwashed by a bunch of bastards who only want there money when it suits them.

    Go buy a Wii or 360 and get some fucking respect for yourselves, it's pathetic to see you lapping up there piss every week.

  • immateriaux #761 6 years ago

    @barton. Don't be a such an arrogant dweeb, if you have a point to make, back it up.

  • blackninja17 #762 6 years ago

    LOL Sorry not trying to sound like a fan boy or coz i have not got a contract with microsoft, ninty or sony to back there consoles only but sony just blagging ppl with bullshit yet again

    /change of specs (multiple times)
    /2 console models not 1
    /change release date
    /lower supply 500'000 units japan and usa (shitty blue ray problems, buy a hd dvd add on drive or a hd dvd player @ £450 or £400 something like that in november by toshiba its much better)
    /controller change and copy
    /xbox live copy
    /£££'s nice price for those who want a blue ray drive but wat about those who want a standalone blueray player and not one built in the ps3

    stop talking trash sony and sort your shit out oh and by the way guys those who want a ps3 by november just like me why not preorder a japanese version they are region free consoles and the same region as uk on disc formats just like the psp rather then wait a tell november 2007 ooops sorry march 2007

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #763 6 years ago

    Come on guys, there's enough mileage in this story to bring these comments to a full grand, I know there is. 145 to go!

    Is this a Eurogamer record, yet?

  • John_the_Fisherman #764 6 years ago

    "Sony has pissed all over there fan base like they do every other week. And yet again you all crawl back to drink form there fountain of piss.

    When are you going to get some respect for yourselves as gamers and ditch these lying bastards?. Today they said Europeans are the least important gamers, but in March they'll expect you to pay more for PS3 than Americans and Japanese,

    Yet you still make excuses for them, so sad to see people so brainwashed by a bunch of bastards who only want there money when it suits them.

    Go buy a Wii or 360 and get some fucking respect for yourselves, it's pathetic to see you lapping up there piss every week." (PS3lol)

    And Nintendo and Microsoft aren't in it for the money? You say that like they're fucken charities! Agreed, this is a bullshit move by Sony but you're being a child. If you really want to 'respect' yourself as a gamer you'd play the games, not the consoles. Vetoing a console because the company that makes it spun some bullshit is rubbish – think of all the third-parties you're ignoring because of your supposed beef with a company who doesn't know who you are. Besides, if no-one bought consoles from lying, money-mad videogames companies, no-one would buy consoles at all. Grow up.

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #765 6 years ago

    "What's that Mr Gates? How many kb of RAM will always be enough..?"

    That'd be 640. And it totally would be if it weren't for all the graphics whores...

    Case in point: Nintendo Gameboy Advance. Still having games released for it today, and it has a princely 256k of internal ram. That's less than half what Bill (allegedly) said you'd need.

  • SeesThroughAll #766 6 years ago

    That'd be 640. And it totally would be if it weren't for all the graphics whores...

    The "graphics whores" just wanted to buy Windows95, remember?

  • thinktank #767 6 years ago

    Back after the match,

    Not much more to say on this subject so just posting for the grand

  • thinktank #768 6 years ago

    I'm reading alot of comments about:

    "competition drives the industry and we as gamers will benefit, so don't wish any company to fail"

    and

    "Don't pledge your loyalty to a console or a company its the games we should all focus on"

    I agree with all this, but your all waisting you time trying to spred the word here.

    The trolls are just to strong.............
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 02:01

  • Toonster #769 6 years ago

    I find many Sony fanboys to be huge hypocrites. When they're commenting on how underpowered the Wii is, the Nintendo fanboys say it's the games that count but the Sony fans just laugh back in their faces. Now we're all pissed at Sony for delaying their console and the Sony fanboys reply with 'It'll be the games that count'. I'll believe it when I see it, as with the Wii as well.

    But hey! At least Sony's getting some publicity, just like the Revolution-to-Wii name change. The copy-cats! >:)
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 02:26

  • BartonFink #770 6 years ago

    Hey toonie!! Good point

  • Ace_McCloud #771 6 years ago

    I want a thousand! So this is to aid that figure... btw I'm in the school that think sony are arrogant arseholes... Go buy a Wii and 360 so we can all have a piece of next gen graphics and next gen controls. All for the price of a PS3 but months earlier...

  • Zuiyo #772 6 years ago

    Posting for the grand.

    Reckoning all this will be history soon, in the same way the much anger-causing PSP delayed release in Europe is something from the prehistory now... I don't think delaying the release is a big issue for consumers. What I am more concerned about is how Sony is starting to appear as a basically unreliable and sometimes straight forward lying company in front of the people reading and commenting its corporate announcements. All companies spin and lie to sell more or to create a consumer atmosphere or momentum to help them sell more, but Sony is kind of crossing too many lines of late.

    I am against monopoly but MS seems to be way more focused now, business wise. However, when you compare them with Nintendo, they just seem like newcomers milking the cow.

    One thing is sure, there has never been so many gaming platforms and games, and some are just incredible, so at the end of the day it's gamers who are benefitting. Nowadays you can easily enjoy the side effects of previous console wars at very cheap prices (Dreamcast, etc.).

    Keep em coming! 1K FTW.

  • mike_mgoblue #773 6 years ago

    GAME OVER

    The Xbox 360 is the fastest selling system ever in 40 of the 41 countries it has been released in. The Xbox 360 completely dominated the August, 2006, European Game Convention in Leipzig, Germany. Especially with the announcement that the Xbox 360 will be the ONLY place where European gamers will be able to play a next-generation Soccer game for TWELVE MONTHS that runs in high-definition video with true 5.1 digital sound!!!

    The fact that Sony is going to miss the Christmas season in Europe is INCREDIBLE!!! Sony JUST DROPPED THE BALL; they JUST LOST!!!

    By the way, Sony knew this was going to happen, because there were Japanese analysts saying this all along. YET ANOTHER SONY LIE!!!

    Mitsubishi Securities recently announced that the Playstation 3 would only sell 3 million systems by March of 2007, due to production problems. The fact that Sony is STUPID enough to try and lie again, by saying that they will still reach their goal of 6 million by March of 2007, even though the system won't be released until then in Europe, and the distribution to North America and Japan has been reduced by 50% is just plain STUPID... How STUPID does Sony think people are???

    We also learned that High-Definition cables will NOT be included in ANY version of the Playstation 3!!! The Xbox 360 Premium comes with a set of cables that can be used as both High-Definition Cables and standard-definition cables. This means that consumers will need to spend ANOTHER $40 for a set of PS3 Component Cables or another $99 for an HDMI cable. The Playstation 3 will actually cost consumers up to $700!!! MY GOD, the Playstation 3 is TERRIBLE!!!

    TWO THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT CHEAP Ebay Cables:

    1. Ebay Cables may appear cheap at first, but if you look at the Shipping Cost, you will see that something that should cost about $3 is suddenly listed with a HUGE shipping cost of over $35. In other words, they make you think you did a good job bidding or purchasing the product, but they make ALL their money on the HUGE Shipping Costs!!!

    2. Ebay Cables that are cheap like that are VERY low quality!!!


    JAPANESE RELAUNCH FOR XBOX 360

    There was just an announcement that says that Microsoft has now decided to sell the Core system in Japan. Previously, only the Premium was available in Japan, and it sold for about $365. The Core system will now be sold in Japan for only $249, and it will include TWO FREE GAMES. The games that will be included are the awesome Project Gotham Racing 3, and the game that Japanese gamers looked forward to a lot--Ninety Nine Nights!

    At the Tokyo Game Show, I bet that Microsoft will also announce a similar deal for the Premium Xbox 360 system in Japan.

    Everybody knew all along that the Xbox 360 would be the number one selling system worldwide; it has been released in 41 countries, and it is the fastest selling system ever in 40 of them. Japan is the only country where the Xbox 360 wasn't selling well in. Worldwide the Xbox 360 has achieved all of its sales goals, and it is currently on track to achieve its sales goal of 10 million systems sold by the end of the year, as well as 15 million systems sold by June of 2007.

    According to Mitsubishi Securities, the Playstation 3 is now only going to sell 3 million systems by March of 2007. The fact that Sony will only be shipping 100,000 Playstation 3 systems in Japan this year means that BY DEFAULT the Xbox 360 will have sold more systems than the Playstation 3 in Japan by the end of 2006!

    The Tokyo Game Show will be VERY interesting! The Relaunch of the Xbox 360 in Japan is going to be VERY interesting! The Microsoft X06 Trade Show will also be something VERY special!!!

  • steoc4 #774 6 years ago

    Or buy a PS3 to have next gen graphics and next gen controls all at once!

    I don't see why people would boycott the PS3 to get 'revenge' on Sony which seems to be the vibe some people give. If it does stuff you want, get it. If it doesn't, don't. And a couple of years from now, when current-gen is really dying off, the games catalogues, prices and availability of all 3 consoles will be very different to what they are now.

    As of right now I'm not buying it. But once the likes of MGS4 and FFXIII are out I will. Not to mention other games we don't even know about yet.

    But that's me, I always buy every console that interests me sooner or later. If I really had to choose one console I think it would be the 360. But of course it would be when the other two aren't out yet. Things will be a lot more interesting this time next year.

  • JackB #775 6 years ago

    Sooooo, that's what they meant by "MASSIVE DAMAGE!". Looks like Sony takes a swipe at Europe and Japan for MASSIVE DAMAGE! :-)

    Well, now I can't wait for the comparisons of Sony's great March launch compared to Microsoft's. Sure, if you wait 18 months, you will eventually have a decent launch lineup.

    Too bad Microsoft will have 180 games in Europe by the end of this year and Sony will have ZERO. Oh, but they will have a whopping 25 games in North America.

    How much pain can patient PS3 fanboy take? Oh, but even though none of the PS3 launch titles will be in 1080p, you still have those awesome Blu-Ray drives...

    I will believe, I will believe, I will believe...
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 04:02

  • kissthestick #776 6 years ago

    alot of people here in england have already started purchasing 360's just for saints row, damn sony

  • 3william56 #777 6 years ago

    \o/ 859th!

    Feel the rage! Feel the hate!
    Watch a lot of Japanese and Americans getting very rich on Ebay!

  • Fairlane #778 6 years ago

    We gotta keep this going.

    I just want to put in my 2 cent. To those of You who are planning on buying a 360 while youre waiting : You should be carefull !. The Gamerscore will get you. I figure you will get yourself 4-6 games until PS3 is out (well it migt be longer - think PSP). You will buy 3-5 games on XBL. This amounts to something like 4000 pionts, maybe a little more maybe less. But you will want to get that score up to 5000. When you get there, it will be 10.000. Now you are hooked. If you buy the PS3 by then, the Gamerscore will still be pulling You. So 3. party games will be bought on 360 and onle 1. and 2. party games on PS3. Now you are making Sony bleed.

    The path of the Dark side is a strong one................

    NB : I heard somwhere that Sony are planning on implementing a similar score kind of thing. As everything else on the PS3 is inflated, i Figure 10.000 point pr game
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 07:04

  • RedPanda #779 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • JetSetWilly #780 6 years ago

    @mike_mgoblue

    Mr Zoran, you have already been unmasked in other threads as a Microsoft employee so thank-you for your contribution to the 1000 posts effort but please, if I want to read Microsoft press-releases I can go to their site.

  • AusFreelancer #781 6 years ago

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!! @ Redpanda

    I'll be buying into the console which looks to be having the largest user base.....well I might as well put my wallet down for a 360 now..!

    I do have a PSP...I thought sony could recover lost ground over the DS....ain't gonna make that mistake again!

    Oh and well said Jetset...MS employees beating their already purple chests, and lying straight (I do believe PS3 Premium will come with component leads capable of Hi-Def) is plain stupid, and in fact a complete turn-off, SO QUIT IT WHILE YOUR AHEAD!
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 08:13

  • gerald #782 6 years ago

    Boy, what an overblown comments thread. When exactly video-gaming became a religion? It's a little bit frightening seeing people writing long essays in an 800+ thread to evangelise nonbelievers.

  • smelly #783 6 years ago

    "The Xbox 360 is the fastest selling system ever in 40 of the 41 countries it has been released in"


    The gamecube was fastest selling console ever before it. Didnt really help much there did it?

  • EmiliasHorse #784 6 years ago

    Gamecube was only fastest selling over a the release week, not the following months.

  • cooper #785 6 years ago

    @JackB "Too bad Microsoft will have 180 games in Europe by the end of this year"

    Where do you get that number from? Do you have any list we could check?
    I couldn't find even 50, not even counting those LiveArcade "classics"....

  • smelly #786 6 years ago

    Gamecube was only fastest selling over a the release week, not the following months.

    Ah, thats me wrong then.. ho hum

  • JDub #787 6 years ago

    #868? Well, it looks like I got the last post after all. Resist that!! ;)

    Thinking about the 360 purchase, I've decided to go against it after all. Comments about the newer 65nm version next year have helped put that to rest. From the one I borrowed earlier this year, it's very nice, but a little primitive from a construction viewpoint - and noisy as hell. Maybe after the redesign.

    If anything, I'll invest in a Wii if available by Xmas, or sod it - DSLite ftw!!

  • gerald #788 6 years ago

    @dobbie
    Call me an atheist and burn me in purifing flames... I do own a ps2, psp, ds and xbox (sold that one yaers ago), but i don't worship them.

    But who am I messing with peoples beliefs.

    Follow the Gourd! The Holy Gourd of Jerusalem!

  • bauhaus #789 6 years ago

    This is my contribution to the 1K


    Thankyou

  • Noctilucent #790 6 years ago

    Merry Christmas, Microsoft! Love, Sony

    Just couldn't help it and had to say something to contribute to this 800+ thread. :-)

  • Santino #791 6 years ago

    1k contribution

  • bauhaus #792 6 years ago

    Server wont crash, I`m sure it can cope with a huge number like 1000

  • Ace_McCloud #793 6 years ago

    If this thread reaches a thousand will Eurogamer make it a news story? You know, just to reward all of our efforts. I mean everyone who's a member of this site must've contributed at some point...

    As for PS3 having next gen controls........really? Seem a little half-baked don't they? Eh, who knows maybe they'll be awesome but thus far the tilt thing doesnt seem all that impressive next to the potential of the wii and stinks of gimmick...

  • faselei #794 6 years ago

    Wow. You guys kept this going on all night o.0

    Well people really are annoyed about this, on the one hand its not really sony's 'fault' if they are having production production but on the other its clear they have a set amount and consider that they are better giving poor old europes' share to the yanks... which isn't really on.

    I doubt they will even notice, but 1k sends a clear msg... lets do it!

  • The12thMonkey #795 6 years ago

    1k a-go-go.

    Yeah, Sony are bad, m'kay?

  • moggsy #796 6 years ago

    or another $99 for an HDMI cable

    I got an HDMI cable for £5 from a British website (Ebuyer) and it does exactly the same job as a £30 cable I purchased afterwards - to my eyes anyway.

    Posting for the 1000!

  • HarryPalmer #797 6 years ago

    The part of anything is the anticipation. Fact.
    Sony are clearly marketing genius'ssss'.

    Or not.

  • Santino #798 6 years ago

    @Ace_McCloud
    Sony clearly stated they dont do gimmicks. remember it was at the e3 conference where they showed how the psp can be used as a rear view mirror in GT4...i mean GTHD? lol sorry couldnt resist.

    i dont think this is going to reach 1k i think everything has been said already

  • Xerx3s #799 6 years ago

    It's much like Sony themselves Xerx3s quantity over quality eh? ;)

    Yeh, but do they have "jump to page" buttons eh? Well? Do they? eh? eh? eh?

    immateriaux: Do you even know what you are on about? OS2? Why don't you read up on it (ecommstation). It's not that much better.

    You see all that new GPU goodness in the ps3? That wouldn't be there if MS didn't dominate the market. Yes, it's fucked that they are so powerfull. Yes, they should FO&D. But without their constant pushing in the market, we would have been off alot worse in alot of fields.

    The trolls are just to strong.............

    Thats where my new Troll bridge trap (copyright) comes in. It is a fake bridge that sends out a scent that attracts them. Once they are under it, they can't find a way out.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 15:49

  • Artemis_Matsas #800 6 years ago

    Ooops... Sony made a huge mistake by not releasing PS3 in Europe on time.

    It would be nice to have more competition in the Next Gen console market, in order to have some much needed price reductions soon.

    Damn you 360, you still haven't given me a good reason to buy you...
    To hell with all this retro crap. Give us good games dammit!!!

  • Les #801 6 years ago

    "I for one would never spend £500 on a console. If it came to that I would 100% retro or PC or both. My hobby of video games here and now would be over at that point. As would the many people who only by consoles when they drop to £100 - £200. If such a thing was to happen, thats the point at someone else could step in, much like Sony did and be successful."

    @ FooAtari

    You’re missing the point. With development costs as high as they are nowadays, entry barriers to the video game business are very high. Not only will designing and developing hardware cost a company a ridiculous amount of money, but it is near impossible to convince publishers to start developing games for your new platform. They don’t know it, don’t have experience with it’s development tools and the technology itself is unproven and not known by the public. The only recent entries into the video game market (Ngage and Gizmondo) failed miserably. And those were both handheld consoles, certainly no coincidence as development for handhelds is still relatively cheap and the risks related with it acceptable to publishers.

    I’m afraid that MS will eventually succeed in forcing Sony out of the market and it’s place will not be occupied by a new player. What you will see is Nintendo struggling, maybe becoming a niche player like Apple is in the home computer business, with some third party support due to relatively low development cost but mostly relying on first party games. Microsoft will stop manufacturing consoles. MS isn’t interested in hardware. Too high risk and low margins. They just want everything to run on windows. So consoles will turn into PC’s, maybe with a simplified version of windows, kind of what’s driving the 360. This will mean cost of consoles will go up, as manufacturers can no longer sell them at a loss and will have to pay (probably quite high) Microsoft license fees for the windows copy that accompanies their product. There will be less standardization in hardware, leading to the same compatibility problems that we experience with PCs.

    If you went for PC, Microsoft would applaud your move: it’s running on windows too and chances are high that the game for it was developed with MS’s own development tools. In the future, if you want gaming, MS is your only option. No options means high consumer prices.

  • Zuiyo #802 6 years ago

    "a fake bridge that sends out a sent"

    You probably mean a scent.

    1K FTW!

  • Zuiyo #803 6 years ago

    I'm with Les about the Microsoft monopoly.

    Posting for the 1000!

  • JetSetWilly #804 6 years ago

    @dobbie
    But Hitler dispensed with the SA in the Night of The Long Knives. He mistrusted Rohm and the large para-military he commanded. From that point on the SS became his trusted adjutants.

    Ken, bless him, just wants us to play games on his shiny machine. So I'm not sure the comparison holds. Still, it might get us to 1K.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 09:31

  • gerald #805 6 years ago

    Yeah dobbie, that should do it. Could work on eurogamer.de, too.
    Their thread on this topic has 16 posts and is dying already. All head over there, after the 1k is reached here :-)

  • #806 6 years ago

    It's all been a horrible, nasty dream.

    PS3 still on target for a november release in Europe :)

  • MrGrumpy.au #807 6 years ago

    It won't get to 1000, but here's my contribution.

    PS3 delay is a big meh! ;-)

    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 09:55

  • Penguinzoot #808 6 years ago

    @immateriaux

    You can't blame Microsoft for market forces.

    Yes there were other products out there, but market forces chose Intel based computers running both Dos and Windows for the win.

    It has been fashionable to be a Microsoft hater now for several years. However,
    Microsoft wasn't *born* as a ready-made "evil empire". A lot of people forget (or are too young to remember) that at the time Windows 3.0/3.1 launched, Microsoft *was* the plucky underdog to IBMs arrogant evil empire.

    Bill Gates was almost universally derided (and still is) as a nerd. Nobody took them seriously (least of all IBM) - why should they - Windows 2.0 was a joke. Microsoft apps were a joke. Microsoft networking was a joke.

    The industry giants at the time (IBM, Lotus, Word Perfect, Corel, Harvard Graphics etc) laughed in the face of MS and (with a few exceptions) were all completely wrong-footed by the *publics* demand for Windows.

    With regard to the pre-eminence of Dos, OEMs at that time did not force people to buy either Dos or Windows. I remember when sourcing PCs from OEMs having to choose what OS I wanted at that time. So we *chose* to buy Intel PCs with Dos and later Windows, like thousands of other businesses.

    Note: WE made a choice NOT to buy Macs, but Intel based computers running Dos (and later Windows). That decision was dictated by the business for 1 reason: they demanded they be able to run Lotus 123 (and to a lesser extent Word Perfect). So choice made. Microsoft didn't come to my office and point a gun to our heads.

    Bottom line: The apps the business wanted to run dictated the hardware and OS that we bought. Can't blame MS for that either.

    Microsoft was in absolute last postion when it came to launching Windows 3.0, but guess what? It caught on - not because of some conspiracy, because people wanted it.

    I am not saying that all was sqeaky clean in the MS garden. What I am saying is that whatever alternatives may have been around lost out because, in large part, people (consumers and corporates alike) wanted Intel-based computers running both Dos and Windows to run the apps they wanted to run. Simple as.

    It is a matter of history. Get over it.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 09:53

  • Cabelo #809 6 years ago

    Yay, I got the 900th comment :)

  • Cabelo #810 6 years ago

    Wow, here if you click last page of comments it says I can be the first to write a comment.

    Holy shizzle negroids!

  • Santino #811 6 years ago

    +1

  • Santino #812 6 years ago

    +2

  • JDub #813 6 years ago

    W0w! I'v3 |\|3v3r g07 70 4 1000 b3f0r3!!

    S0|\|y R0(k5!!

    Crap leet convertor.... ;)

  • RedPanda #814 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • #815 6 years ago

    Northern Ireland 3 Spain 2

    Healy is a SAINT :)

  • JDub #816 6 years ago

    Next gen comments!!

    PS4 Headline Feature: -
    Ability to handle 10,000x comment posts!!

    /swoons

    Edit: /swoons again.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 10:02

  • FooAtari #817 6 years ago

    @Les

    "With development costs as high as they are nowadays, entry barriers to the video game business are very high. Not only will designing and developing hardware cost a company a ridiculous amount of money"

    Tell that Nintendo, Wii - low cost hardware and apparantly cheap to develop for. I think it will be a huge success based on how the DS has penetrated the market.

    "but it is near impossible to convince publishers to start developing games for your new platform. They don’t know it, don’t have experience with it’s development tools and the technology itself is unproven and not known by the public. The only recent entries into the video game market (Ngage and Gizmondo) failed miserably."

    Tell that one to Sony, especailly when everyone else was falling flat on their face, the 3DO, the Amiga32, the Atari Jaguar. Who would have thought Sony could take on Sega and Nintendo, and not only make it a success, but have very close to a monoply for 10 years to come.

    "This will mean cost of consoles will go up, as manufacturers can no longer sell them at a loss and will have to pay (probably quite high) Microsoft license fees for the windows copy that accompanies their product. There will be less standardization in hardware, leading to the same compatibility problems that we experience with PCs."

    IMO this will not happen. Like I said, the majority of consoles sold over it's life happen after it drops below £200ish. If prices go up most people will quite simply stop buying games, simple as that. PC for the most part is failry small market compared to console games, just walk into any high street shops selling games and look at the shelf space given to PC's. There is a reason for that, costs involved in keeping your PC up to date, compatibility problems that people cant be bothered with and dont have the knowledge to fix, it just lacks the simplicity of console gaming. Another reason IMO the games industry would die/shrink if it went in that direction.

    "If you went for PC, Microsoft would applaud your move: it’s running on windows too and chances are high that the game for it was developed with MS’s own development tools. In the future, if you want gaming, MS is your only option. No options means high consumer prices."

    At the moment, how many games on the PC, apart from those developed by MS, use MS development tools? Not many as far as I am aware. But hey, if your right and it ends up an MS monoply with high prices ill find a new hobby.

    But I don't believe MS have the same oppertunities(not sure that's the best word, but anyway) that they did in the eighties to own the OS market.

    Funny though, how this only seems a problem now that there is a chance MS may take Sony's position, no one comaplains that PS2 practicially owned the market until now. Im no MS fan, I just don't think things will pan as you belive.

    But, while Sony has screwed up big time, and I think will loose market share, they will not disapear IMO. Things will be more even, maybe a 30 30 40 split, but I dont know who will get what. In five to six years there is every chance Sony could turn this around.

  • #818 6 years ago

    Google fight predicts the winner

  • BillGaitas #819 6 years ago

    OMG OMG this is going to reach 1k ... or maybe not

  • Penguinzoot #820 6 years ago

    dobbie - Thats it then, game over. The intahweb doesn't lie ..... :D

  • lotteryman82 #821 6 years ago

    900 REPLIES JUST BECAUSE WHAT?

    a piece of machinery gets delayed for ANOTHER four months and only in Europe
    don't get me wrong but im in europe and it kinda bothers me BUT 900 FREAKING REPLIES OF PEOPLE THAT NOT EVEN 10 % WOULD EVEN CONSIDER A LAUNCH BUY IF AN ACTUAL BUY TILL CHRISTMAS OR EASTER07 DUE TO THE HIGH PRICE TAG OF PS3 SO LOG IN JUST WHINE ABOUT SONY AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER ???

    its gonna be a good thing for the remaining gamers
    MS will try harder to establish dominance so more games
    sony inevitably will have to lower price a penny or two
    and Wii Wiill have its rightful chance for us to see because so many have doomed it before launch

    GET A GRIP FANBOYS




  • foxy2006 #822 6 years ago

    come on - a few more and we'll reach th moon!

  • Les #823 6 years ago

    "It has been fashionable to be a Microsoft hater now for several years. However,
    Microsoft wasn't *born* as a ready-made "evil empire". A lot of people forget (or are too young to remember) that at the time Windows 3.0/3.1 launched, Microsoft *was* the plucky underdog to IBMs arrogant evil empire."

    @ Penquinzoot

    Of course MS isn’t ‘evil’, it’s just a company wanting to make a profit. Every company is striving to achieve as high a market share as possible. Normally, they are restricted by market authorities in achieving this goal. Because law always follows developments in society and technology, there were no checks and balances in place when the personal computer hit the market at the start of the 80’s.

    Once those checks and balances were there, Microsoft had already reached this dominant position. As far as I know, at the time of windows 3.0/3.1, MS certainly wasn’t the underdog. IBM tried to make up for their arogant mistake of giving MS the OS for their system with OS/2 but the damage had already been done. Most software was already being developed for DOS and MS itself was already a major software developer. For example they used this position to get Apple to ‘agree’ to let MS use Apple IP in developing windows.

  • RedPanda #824 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • rinoaMW #825 6 years ago

    Must. Push. For. 1000.

  • RedPanda #826 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • Santino #827 6 years ago

    1000th poster should get a Wii60 combo as a prize

  • Les #828 6 years ago

    "Tell that one to Sony, especailly when everyone else was falling flat on their face, the 3DO, the Amiga32, the Atari Jaguar. Who would have thought Sony could take on Sega and Nintendo, and not only make it a success, but have very close to a monoply for 10 years to come."

    Think you missed the first line of my post: I was referring to the incredibly high development costs that are a fact nowadays. Back in the days of PSone, you could develop a game with a team of 5 people (e.g. Tomb Raider). Not possible anymore.

    As for Nintendo's Wii strategy, just proves my point. They know they can't compete with MS in the long run and try to find their own niche. Maybe this niche will turn into mainstream but I ceriously doubt that.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 10:24

  • Steroyd #829 6 years ago

    "But, while Sony has screwed up big time, and I think will loose market share, they will not disapear IMO. Things will be more even, maybe a 30 30 40 split"

    yes because a 4 month delay in one region affects the 5+ year buying period of the PS3....

    How come 100 million people aren't pissed at the Sony's PS2's absolutely craptacular launch and the dire number of games released for it in the first year?

  • #830 6 years ago

    I love the ytmnd stuff :)

  • #831 6 years ago

    Steroyd wrote:How come 100 million people aren't pissed at the Sony's PS2's absolutely craptacular launch and the dire number of games released for it in the first year?

    Answer: They were.

  • Metalfish #832 6 years ago

    Keep moving, nothing to see here....

  • RedPanda #833 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • X201 #834 6 years ago

    dobbie?
    Whatever it is you're on I'll have two please. ;-)

  • Ace_McCloud #835 6 years ago

    Steroyd: I think people were a little more forgiving of Sony back when PS2 was launched because people were still smitten with them for being the saviour of videogaming with PSone. However 5 or so years later I think people are a little tired of the torrent of bullshit that has been coming out of Sony (I'm still smarting from the awesome but false tech demo's that were shown at E3). Especially seeing as the PS2 really hasn't been anything special at all in terms of innovation (or techinical prowess). Conversely I think most people respect what both Microsoft and Nintendo have been and are trying to achieve with their new and old consoles and hence the backlash at Sony who don't seem to be able to come up with any sort of originality.

    Dobbie: Are you in the middle of writing an essay on WW2?
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 10:26

  • mash the x button #836 6 years ago

    Crikey! Approaching 1000 comments!
    Like I said 600 or more posts ago it should get interesting, and hopefully the consumer will end up the winner as MS/Sony/Nintendo lower prices to compete.

  • AcidSnake #837 6 years ago

    Back again...
    Seems the dust is settling...
    We haven't reached 1000 yet, however the topic has subtly changed...

    Is Ken being compared to Adolf Hitler?!

  • MasterThief #838 6 years ago

    @ Dobbie

    Best. Post. Ever. My favourite bit? "...Following the invasion of Poland (even though it is no longer a planet)...". LOL! Classic. Keep it up, my good man.

    /two thumbs and two big toes up

  • #839 6 years ago

    I knew those damn nazis were involved in this....... :(

  • FooAtari #840 6 years ago

    Les I did read your first point. My point was, regardless of money, did anyone seriously think anyone could take on the two gaming giants? There was more to it than money.

    Mistakes from N and Sega, Sony marketing games as "cool", and also developing a very capable peice of hardware. They had money, excellent marketing and strategy and capitalised on the mistakes made by Sega and Nintedo to tempt both developers and gamers.

    There are companies out there with enough money to enter the games industry under the right circumstances, i.e. a monolpy of one company screwing over developers and the public.

    What about EA maybe? Taking with them NFS, Madden, FIFA, Tiger Woods etc etc (average games, but huge sellers to the masses). At the moment it probably wouldn't work, but if things took a turn for the worst and went how you think it might just work out, should they choose to try it.

    As for Nintendo forming a niche market, maybe your right, maybe not. It's very hard to tell right now, it's a complete unknown.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 10:32

  • pretence #841 6 years ago

    it would be rude of me not to post....

    btw PS3 will still sell by the bucketload!

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #842 6 years ago

    "At the moment, how many games on the PC, apart from those developed by MS, use MS development tools?"

    What, like Microsoft Visual C++ ?

    Practically fucking all of them. In fact, I actually used MS Dev Studio for coding when I was working on a Playstation game a few years ago.

  • Les #843 6 years ago

    "Conversely I think most people respect what both Microsoft and Nintendo have been and are trying to achieve with their new and old consoles and hence the backlash at Sony who don't seem to be able to come up with any sort of originality."

    Yeah, MS is the king of innovation... They grabbed a console (the PS2) and PC-fied it. At least Sony had EyeToy. Which probably influenced Nintendo's R&D which led to the Wii.

  • #844 6 years ago

    As this thread nears it's 1,000 post, I just have to say that some of the posts on here are absolutely hilarious.

    EG history in the making.

  • TurboBailey #845 6 years ago

    Ive just bought an extra GIG of RAM to appease me until March 2007.

    1/2 a year and counting....

    /anyways back to F.E.A.R

  • onyxbox #846 6 years ago

    Let's face it, it was wishfull thinking that Sony were ever going to launch in Europe this year (think back to the constant stringing along for PSP launch).


    Wii60 it is then.

    Boom!

  • MadMirko #847 6 years ago

    Walked through a local gaming store yesterday, smirking at the PS3 posters saying:

    "The next generation will be available November 2006"

    I wonder what they were talking about....

  • a212 #848 6 years ago

    I just need to say that all of people here who say "I will not buy PS3 because of delay" are notorius liars.

    They will be first in the row in the March and I'll be more then happy to join them.

    Sony has just give me additional 6 months for saving the money for 1080p set and thank them a lot - now I do not need to do a bank-credit for it.

  • FooAtari #849 6 years ago

    Hmmm, you have a point there menalist. I stand corrected.

    But is there a better alternative? Why do devs use it?

    Les "Yeah, MS is the king of innovation... They grabbed a console (the PS2) and PC-fied it. At least Sony had EyeToy. Which probably influenced Nintendo's R&D which led to the Wii."

    Come on, all they did was provide a multiplayer service, and expanded upon that on the 360. I don't like how they are trying to charge for every little thing, and the arcade games are pretty expenive. But overall the 360 is a well thought out and solid system. It is easily the most complete console I have ever owened. Online multiplayer is that natural next step after the multi-tap/4 ports, and both have their place. Personally I love the fact I can download demos for free, and try the game before I buy. Im not convinced Micro-transactiosn are a good thing for gaming, but an online definitly is, and in the console market Live has been quite innovative, but that was arguably kick-started by Sega, not MS. (Sony on the other had have mostly copied inovative ideas, although all hardware manufactures are guilty of this at some point)

    Sadly I dont think either Sony or N have the experience and knowledge that MS have to compete with this directly. But N have the virtual console service. At the moment I'm not sure what Sony will have that differentiates itself.

  • JetSetWilly #850 6 years ago

    Hitler: "By this agreement I promise that Germany has no designs on Poland"
    Chamberlain: "Thank-you Herr Hitler"

    /Chamberlain leaves

    Hitler: "Oh no. I have given Neville the wrong piece of paper. He must have the photocopy of my arse".

    /Europe plunges into war.

    When Ken said Nov 17 he was waving a photocopy of his arse at all of us. dobbie was right. Ken=Hitler.

  • SergioAguero #851 6 years ago

    I would like to make a complaint: its totally ridiculous how many posts there
    are on this subject.

    I mean small children are dying around the world!

    A new Panda is born!

    Jean-Claude Van Damme!

  • #852 6 years ago

    boo!

  • EmiliasHorse #853 6 years ago

    The Japan re-launch of the 360 core +2 free games sounds great.
    Hows about a euro sweetener of PG3 & Kameo (Kids will love it) free with a core system?

  • #854 6 years ago

    Won't be long now until the site goes into meltdown.

    It will be a fitting end to a traumatic period in gaming history.

  • FooAtari #855 6 years ago

    Of all the posts I see on the forum, this type annoys me the most....

    "I just need to say that all of people here who say "I will not buy PS3 because of delay" are notorius liars.

    They will be first in the row in the March and I'll be more then happy to join them.

    Sony has just give me additional 6 months for saving the money for 1080p set and thank them a lot - now I do not need to do a bank-credit for it."

    Why? Who are to say what others will do? Can you not grasp the fact some people may have changed their minds, or quite simply at the moment just not want to buy your console of choice. I originally bought a PS2 close to launch (sold 6 months later, and bought another about a year ago) but sure as hell will not be buying a PS3 launch.

    As for your 1080p, you will be waiting a while for that one im afraid....

    [link url=http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/no-1080p-fo r-ps3-games-198852.php
    ]http://ww w.kotaku.com/gaming/sony/no-108...[/link]

    [link url=http://www.2old2play.com/modules.php?name=New s&file=article&sid=506
    ]http://ww w.2old2play.com/modules.php?nam...[/link]

    Sony has pushed 1080p in Microsoft's face since the specifications were provided to the public for the PlayStation 3. However, it seems, game developers are using 720p.

    The 1080p resolution is supposed to be the best High-Definition resolution on the market today, says Sony. The only game that Sony has that is in 1080p is their Gran Turismo HD demo they gave at E3. Developers aren't using 1080p.

    Why? Many developers are unable to achive good frame-rates at such a high resolution. Although, great for movies, games just aren't there yet.

    So, does it really matter? Sony boasted 1080p gaming at E3 probably knowning full well that it wasn't going to happen right away (or did they?). The result is simple: your PS3 games will run on 720p just like Microsoft's competing console. Over time that may change.

    A developer (remaining nameless) said, "reaching good frame rates at 1080p with next-gen graphics is almost impossible." But, recall, someone once said "you'll never need more then 640k of RAM." Nothing is impossible - just hard. And if you want to win the next-generation battle you have to take that next step and do something hard.
    Edited by 2 at 07/09/06 @ 10:59

  • T.G. #856 6 years ago

    Come on you bastards, we're not far off the magical 1000th post!!!

  • EmiliasHorse #857 6 years ago

    Thanking Sony for giving you longer to save....WOW. That is the best yet.

  • JetSetWilly #858 6 years ago

    Shall we draw lots to see who gets to post #1000?

  • thehat #859 6 years ago

    /hopes thread sticks at 999

  • EmiliasHorse #860 6 years ago

    If they delay for another year you could have saved enough to buy a Lazy boy Chair that vibrates to make up for the dual shock3.

  • #861 6 years ago

    I can understand why the devs don't want to use the highest resolutions.

    At the minute on the 360 there are a few high profile games suffering from tearing and frame rate drops which are more noticeable at the higher res (moto gp, saints row).

    1080p might just be a step too far.

    I've also noticed since buying a widescreen monitor for my pc and playing in 1440x900 my graphics card has taken a dive in performance. Bast!

  • Artemis_Matsas #862 6 years ago

    I will buy a PS3 eventually, but surely not at launch.

  • RedPanda #863 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • Santino #864 6 years ago

    well said FooAtari i hate assholes trying to put words in others mouths like that, just because that person is more than willing to bend over and take one from Sony doesn't mean the rest of us are willing to. i mean what the fuck? happy to have 6 months longer to save up for the overpriced thing??? the definition of getting the shaft just hit a new level it seems!

  • EmiliasHorse #865 6 years ago

    Is it called a dual shock now?
    Surely dual wobbly would be better.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 11:04

  • AusFreelancer #866 6 years ago

    ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1000th post is comming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (too bad the PS3 isn't) BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

    I agree 1000th poster should get a Wii60 combo, c'mon EG ;)

  • MasterThief #867 6 years ago

    I believe we will have the 1000th post by midday.

    COME ON LADS!!!

    ;)

  • Les #868 6 years ago

    @ FooAtari

    See that you agree with the point I made :)

    Btw, online console was first experimented with on a small scale by Nintendo if I'm not mistaken. Sega's method was too cumbersome and Sony initially had big online plans with PS2. As broadband didn't roll-out as fast as they'd expected and you need a big consumer base to be able to actually make money with it, they were not in the position to put significant resources into the online aspect.

    MS doesn't have the resources problem and so could invest heavily in Live. But apart from the fact that you have to pay for the service, it was hardly revolutionary for gaming: PC games sported online play way before.

  • Tominator6six6 #869 6 years ago

    I have had the PS3 on pre-order since May. When/if it finally comes out in March i have had the PS3 on pre-order for 10 months. And i have already paid 480 Euro. ;)

    At least i can buy more games for all the other consoles this winter.
    :)

  • toy_brain #870 6 years ago

    I've nothing of value to say.
    Just contributing to the path towards 1000.

    Woot!

  • FooAtari #871 6 years ago

    Hmmmm, where did I agree? :)

    I know Nintendo and Sega have both tried online services previosuly.

    But Sega was the first to make a serious attempt an online gaming service. And IMO it was far for cumbersome, it worked fairly well. I was getting less lag with the 33.3k modem the DC had than I was with my 56k modem on the PC.

    Sony had some online plans maybe, but I saw it more of a botched attempt after MS launched Live, did the PS2 have any kind of official online service before Live came along?

    I didnt say it was revolutionary for gaming, just console gaming, infact I just said it was innovative. I dont actually mind paying for Live, as it's a very good service, which is pretty easy to use and setup, as Live was on the Xbox, unlike Sony's free service. Sometimes you get what you pay for...

    I do mind micro-tranactions though for things such gamer pics and overprice game content

  • The_Foo_Fighter #872 6 years ago

    Yay for the Wii - hopefully Europe will wise up and this console will get all the recognition it deserves.

  • BillGaitas #873 6 years ago

    I predict there will be a major revelation once the 1000 post is posted

  • #874 6 years ago

    now the question for folk is if you don't own a next gen console which will it be?

    wii or 360?

    I'd bet that quite a few 360 owners will be picking up a wii (myself included).

  • RedPanda #875 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • Hughes. #876 6 years ago

    1000! We're nearly there!

    Just shows how much everyone loves Sony, with all these posts!

    (That should stir things up enough to get there now)

  • bauhaus #877 6 years ago

    C'mon, one last push.......


    Tally Ho

  • toy_brain #878 6 years ago

    I'm gonna be picking up a Wii as I already have a 360.

    Provided Nintendo Europe dosent delay the Wii untill March as well.

    Seriously, Sony might treat Europe pretty badly at times, but Nintendo can be a damn sight worse.

  • PlugMonkey #879 6 years ago

    I bought a 360 shortly after launch, and I'll definitely be getting a Wii.

    A PS3 was never really on the cards - in November or now in March - too much money and not enough games. Especially now I've got the 360. Last time round it was PS2 first and Xbox much, much later. This time looks like being the reverse.

    /come on 1000! :D

  • BillGaitas #880 6 years ago

    BRB

  • JonFE #881 6 years ago

    More than 975 comments, yet not even one of them coming from Blerk... Could it be he's waiting in the wings to strike at 1000?

  • #882 6 years ago

    What date are ninty letting us know the release info? I forget, can't be bothered looking....

  • PlugMonkey #883 6 years ago

    September 14th?

  • Santino #884 6 years ago

    yup, i forsee many Wii60 people after this xmas. lots of people who already have the 360 may see the Wii as a good partner for it. get the best of both worlds for the same price as a PS3, i mean both the 360 and ps3 will largely have the same games and the Wii exclusives will be great...unless of course u would rather take this 6 month delay as a blessing to save up longer...(rolls eyes at the fool who shall receive no pity from me)

  • JonFE #885 6 years ago

    IIRC, 15th of September in London...

  • #886 6 years ago

    I have two free ethernet ports left on my switch, one for the wii and one for (eventually) the ps3.

    I'd really like the wii to be in there before xmas, I have to say :)

  • Noctilucent #887 6 years ago

    C'mon people, work harder! Gamespot's news of the delay already has 1200 comments.

    /me wonders how long she can get away with posting nonsense

  • RedPanda #888 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • RedPanda #889 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • hypernova #890 6 years ago

    Morning.

  • JonFE #891 6 years ago

    Same here Mapster, as long as those "Wiimote manufacturing problematic" rumours are exactly that, rumours...

  • RedPanda #892 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • Cabelo #893 6 years ago

    The lack of a Nintendo press release to "put the boot in" really does make me scared we'll see no Wii until next year.

  • #894 6 years ago

    Ninty never put the boot in though.

  • patlike #895 6 years ago

    One!

    Thousand!

  • #896 6 years ago

    Is this it?

  • #897 6 years ago

    Speech

    Ladies and Gentlemen, we are gathered here today to both celebrate a great achievement, yet also mourn the passing of a videogaming giant into 'has-been' territory.

    1,000 posts in this comments thread is a great and wonderful victory for the advertising section of the Eurogamer website, we salute you.

    THQ? Better get your cheque book out.

    At this point I would like to offer my condolences to Sony on the death of the PS3 in Europe. Buried before it's even been born.

    I'd like to thank my mum for cooking my dinner every Sunday, my cat for the years of undivided disloyalty, my ex-wife for being a complete bitch over contact with my daughter and finally Eurogamer for just being so damn wonderful.

    I'll see you all in March for the second Sony delay thread.

    Chin up chaps, it's not over yet!

    I love you all!

    \o/

    Mapster.
    Edited by 2 at 07/09/06 @ 11:44

  • Fairlane #898 6 years ago

    almost there

  • RedPanda #899 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • Pob #900 6 years ago

    Blarg.

  • Steroyd #901 6 years ago

    now the question for folk is if you don't own a next gen console which will it be?

    why do you have to buy a nrext gen console?

  • hypernova #902 6 years ago

    "Same here Mapster, as long as those "Wiimote manufacturing problematic" rumours are exactly that, rumours..."

    I thought the rumour was to do with it's actual reliabilty, not manufacturing problems?

  • RedPanda #903 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • Cabelo #904 6 years ago

    Dobbie: I don't think he *directly* denied it.

  • dredd97 #905 6 years ago

    last time i looked ken hadn't had 6 million jews gassed...

    so even in jest, it was a poor joke...


  • bauhaus #906 6 years ago


    Behold the wisdom of the 1000th post....


    "Now?"


    sweet

  • Ace_McCloud #907 6 years ago

    HURRAH!

    Congratulations to Mapster whose thousandth poignant post 'now?' will live long in the memory. Well done! But this was a team effort, pats on the back all round.

    We've won two world wars, world cups in two of the worlds greatest sports, and now this...

    Greatest day in EG's history? Damn straight! Thankyou Sony!

    Now for the million, onward HOOOOOOO!
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 11:42

  • spliffhead #908 6 years ago

    Can the Sony Baiting really reach 1000 comments?

  • RedPanda #909 6 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • bauhaus #910 6 years ago

    Next stop....

    2000!

  • #911 6 years ago

    I've amended my thousandth post to properly commemorate the event!

  • bauhaus #912 6 years ago

    Thats sublime Mapster, sublime

  • JonFE #913 6 years ago

    "I thought the rumour was to do with it's actual reliabilty, not manufacturing problems?"

    The way I understood it, the factory is having some issues with the sample Nintendo gave them, which need to be resolved in order to move to mass production...

    Either way, this would prevent Nintendo to go ahead launching Wii as planned - if true.

  • Yossarian #914 6 years ago

    you guys are taking the piss now

    EG are laughing at their hits

  • #915 6 years ago

    /bows

    Thank you, thank you.

    /accepts flowers thrown from the crowd

  • bauhaus #916 6 years ago

    We actuyally need a dead 2008 posts in this thread, then it will match the PS3 launch year

  • AcidSnake #917 6 years ago

    Made it then...Nice speech Mapster...

    Will it be Sony's end then?

    Or hopefully it'll be the end of their smugness...
    I don't think anyone would really want to see Sony disappear from the picture...

  • toy_brain #918 6 years ago

    Thats odd, front page says 1022 replies but the 'jump to' counter only shows 1020..
    Ahh, nope. Its working now.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 12:00

  • thehat #919 6 years ago

    Soooo, beat Gamespot?

  • SeesThroughAll #920 6 years ago

    What's the Gamespot record on comments?

  • Bi50N Verified Head of Global Communications, THQ #921 6 years ago

    Aw, Mapster's post isn't the 1000th anymore... Someone must have deleted a post?

    Edit: /smirks
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 12:05

  • souljah #922 6 years ago

    What was the WWF:Raw record?

  • thehat #923 6 years ago

    1200 for this news article.

    gamespot

  • PS3lol #924 6 years ago

    http://thisiswaiting.com/

  • Hughes. #925 6 years ago

    2000? Things will have to get more acrimonious to make it that far.

    MS predicts 10 million 360s sold by the end of the year? With 24 million X-Box owners out there and supposedly plentiful supplies that's 14 million people yet to be convinced, and 10 million let down by the crap attempt at reverse compatibility.

    With 106 million PS2s shipped there's at least 4 times as many people with a vested interest in waiting for the console that will play all of their old games (Sony being so committed to meeting BC that it's building PS2 hardware into every PS3 until it's sure software emulation can do the job as well)

    I don't know any PS2 owner who was going to pre-order, even on these forums only 2 people piped up to say they had pre-ordered (apart from those who were hoping to sell them unopened on eBay, who don't count for anything)

    As exclusivity seems to be becoming a joke (WOOT! A next gen exclusive of a game that is available on every console except one they haven't finished making it for yet!) and Capcom not ruling out Lost Planet and Dead Rising coming to PS3 (their realibilty on exclusivity exampled buy Resi Code Veronica and Resi 4) It matters little that 360 had a year to get proper next gen games, because most of those games will be cross platform and be ready for PS3 as soon as it launches, meaning they'll have skipped the 10 months of Xbox 1.5 games that were available for much less money on consoles people already owned.

    Every PS3 Sony can make in the next 12 months will be sold, nobody can doubt that, and in all the 11 years that Playstations have existed, there have only been about 2 Christmases where they weren't stupidly hard to get hold of. Undersupply has never hurt Sony, ever.

    Unfortunately, nor has its contempt for the European market, demonstrated by huge delays in PAL conversions, the fact that the HDD never came here, and the wait for every console they've made since the first. But I don't think the 360 launch was any good either. There was outcry after outcry at the shortage of 360's in the first few months of its existence, and IMO world-wide launches are a bloody stupid idea. But at least with the 360 everyone was equally aggrieved, and, as the people who brought us Windows, Microsoft is used to everybody hating them.

    I've run out of steam now. I should have broken this up more.

    2000 posts! Let's go!

  • Les #926 6 years ago

    "Sony had some online plans maybe, but I saw it more of a botched attempt after MS launched Live, did the PS2 have any kind of official online service before Live came along? "

    @ FooAtari

    Sorry, but that's not the case. PS2's online capabilities triggered development of xbox. I don't know if the PS2 online adaptor was in stores at the time of the PS2 launch (neither where the Live kits if I'm not mistaken) but is surely was before the xbox was even launched. Making the service proprietary (or official as you call it) to me is more of a step backwards than one ahead.

  • #927 6 years ago

    Bi50n wrote: Aw, Mapster's post isn't the 1000th anymore... Someone must have deleted a post?

    That was always going to happen, but mine remains the original and best :)

  • JonFE #928 6 years ago

    Just to lighten things up:
    Fetish French PS2 ad.

  • Steroyd #929 6 years ago

    wow this is like a train wreck that isn't stopping, go go 2000.

    MS's first year all alone hasn't done much to convince people to buy a Xbox 360 it's more of a backlash of people hating Sony's shennanigans or tired of waiting than them liking the Xbox 360 as first choice (well acording to the people who "cancelled their pre-orders";)

    What have MS got to show for this christmas that only the Xbox 360 has to offer.... Gears of War and that's about it.

    Oh yeah can't forget about Dead Rising.

  • Ace_McCloud #930 6 years ago

    "1200 for this news article [on gamespot]"

    Pah! I went over there, they've got nothing on us! They didn't even seem to acknowledge the fact that they were on the way to a thousand (granted I haven't done my research very well here, but from the glance I had this seemed to be the case). And their banter was weak. The EG 1000 crew forever!

    /Hi fives all round

  • bauhaus #931 6 years ago

    Dead Rising

    Hordes of sony fanboys lurching around a shopping mall searching for ther PS3 pre-orders, with only Smelly on hand to set them right

  • thehat #932 6 years ago

    I think it's a bit strange that it's been on 1200 for ages. Comments limit?

  • JonFE #933 6 years ago

    Les wrote: "Sorry, but that's not the case. PS2's online capabilities triggered development of xbox. I don't know if the PS2 online adaptor was in stores at the time of the PS2 launch (neither where the Live kits if I'm not mistaken) but is surely was before the xbox was even launched."

    I'm afraid that's not accurate; at least not according to Wikipedia:

    "Although Sony placed little emphasis on online gaming during its first year, that changed upon the launch of the online-capable Xbox. Sony rolled a PS2 online adapter in late 2002 to compete with Microsoft, with several online first party titles released alongside it, such as SOCOM US Navy SEALS to show its active support for Internet play. Sony also advertised heavily, and its online model had the advantage of being supported by Electronic Arts. Although Sony and Nintendo both started out late and although both followed a decentralized model of online gaming where the responsibility is up to the developer to provide the servers, Sony's attempt made online gaming a major selling point of the PS2."

  • Bi50N Verified Head of Global Communications, THQ #934 6 years ago

    Mapster wrote:

    "That was always going to happen, but mine remains the original and best :)"

    You made damn sure with your multiple post salvo though ;¬)

    A true marksman would have coolly entered the thread with a succint "Thousandth" and just as mysteriously vanished once more into the ether...

  • bauhaus #935 6 years ago

    "A true marksman would have coolly entered the thread with a succint "Thousandth" and just as mysteriously vanished once more into the ether..."


    Indeed, creating a new user ID ie. "TheThousandThread" specifically for the occasion

  • PlugMonkey #936 6 years ago

    With 106 million PS2s shipped there's at least 4 times as many people with a vested interest in waiting for the console that will play all of their old games

    No there isn't. They already have a console that will play their old games. Your average joe doesn't give a crap about playing his old PS2 games. He's buying a next gen console to play next gen games. His PS2 and all of its games will most likely be sold to fund the switch.

    Normal people don't care about playing their old games. That's why publishers can bring out a new version for them every year.

  • MrGrumpy.au #937 6 years ago

    Quote myself: "It won't get to 1000, but here's my contribution.

    PS3 delay is a big meh! ;-)    "

    OMFG!

    I think I'll just shut up from here on in, maybe 1200 is possible?

    PS3 FTW!!11one!!1! (in an alternate reality)

    Edit:
    Stupid PS3 spell checker! What sort of computer is this Ken! ;-)

    Edit 2 Build 00000101:
    Why am I so itchy? ... Damn you Furbs!

    /Shakes fist at Furbs from the other side of the world (meh doesn't seem to be doing anything)
    /Goes back to scratching.
    Edited by 4 at 07/09/06 @ 13:03

  • bauhaus #938 6 years ago

    I thought "normal" people had less games yet played them more!

    Therfore playing your "old" games would carry some weight

    /Hopes that makes sense

  • Les #939 6 years ago

    @ JonFE

    I thought Final Fantasy XI was online before all that in Japan. But maybe I'm mistaken. However, even before the launch of the PS2, Sony had made public plans for digital distribution of content to the PS2. This threat triggered MS to enter the console business in the first place. Had PS2 used a MS OS, there would be no Xbox.

  • The_Foo_Fighter #940 6 years ago

    If we don't make it to 17,000 by the end of the week, I'll be mildly upset.

  • Hughes. #941 6 years ago

    @Plugmonkey

    "Your average joe doesn't give a crap about playing his old PS2 games."

    You've talked to them all have you? For every PS2 owner I know reverse compatibility was a massive plus for them. You seem to be basing your "average Joe" on all the 360 owners who claimed they didn't care about it, that was after they found out the 360 was going to be shit at it. Before then I read loads of newsgroup posts of people who were excited about playing their XBox games with next gen enhancements.

    To be fair, 360 owners did get to play XBox games with enhancements, they were called XBox 360 games and cost £50 each.

  • mash the x button #942 6 years ago

    How quick before Sony put it down to £299.99?

  • jiveguy #943 6 years ago

    This thread needs a post for every PS2 shipped to date. Get to it men.

  • TurboBailey #944 6 years ago

    Your average joe doesn't give a crap about playing his old PS2 games. He's buying a next gen console to play next gen games. His PS2 and all of its games will most likely be sold to fund the switch

    I have about 50 PS2 + PS1 games, my ps2 is on its last legs, so Backwards Compatability is very important to me

  • SeesThroughAll #945 6 years ago

    @ Hughes

    +1

  • Psi #946 6 years ago

    wow largest eurogamer thred ive ever seen and ive been posting 4 or 5 years ish, before we had logons and an edit feature even.

    seems sony have done all the PR m$ need tbh. one week till the wii news i do hope we don't get boned on that one.

    i hope m$ release news of a handheld prior to sonys launch to take the sting out of their sales too.

  • Mr_Whacker #947 6 years ago

    A man walks down the street. He fails to spot a bit of pavement sticking up in his way and trips, landing flat on his arse.

    Is he now doomed to spend his life in obscurity without friends? Surely he'll never marry after this fiasco? Has he now blown all chances of a successful career?

    Or is it just a blip - he'll get up and continue, any damage to self and pride in line with the screw up. Sounds more likely to me.

    Have you all forgotten the PS2 launch? Delayed, not enough units, Europe last, machine not as good as stated etc. If you weren't expecting this then you are daft. It didn't kill the PS2, it won't kill the PS3.

  • statix101 #948 6 years ago

    Shit..trying to wade through over 1000 posts on my k750i mobile is no fun:-(.

  • JDub #949 6 years ago

    \o/ Last!!!

  • #950 6 years ago

    Bi5ON wrote:You made damn sure with your multiple post salvo though ;¬)

    I prefer the term 'dual' as opposed to 'multiple'.

    It was a double barrelled shotgun blast to the thread, with a satisfyingly explosive outcome.

    :)

  • Les #951 6 years ago

    To me it’s ridiculous to think that we should have seen this coming. How on earth can a huge company as Sony fail so miserably? This product launch is very important for the feature of the company as a whole. Failure should not be an option. Of course the complexities of PS3 would make it hard to produce. But they knew this beforehand. You should only announce a launch date if you’re absolutely sure you’re going to make it, which means calculating in a certain slack because some things will go wrong during the process.

  • SeesThroughAll #952 6 years ago

    Just to check, is everybody still interested in the delay, or are we all just trying to pass the 1200 mark?

  • #953 6 years ago

    What delay?

  • Hughes. #954 6 years ago

    I'm not sure if we'll make 1200 :¬[

    I tried being bitchy but only got one bite.

    Still, who's going to get post number 1111[/i]

  • Fairlane #955 6 years ago

    Have you seen this ?

    [link url=http://www.angry-gamer.net/pmwiki.php/Feature/De ar_Sony_Its_Over
    ]http://ww w.angry-gamer.net/pmwiki.php/Fe...[/link]

  • #956 6 years ago

    Yeah, s'quite funny in a kiddie humour kinda way :)

    The sentiment must ring true for a lot of folk though.

    So now the initial shock is over, does anyone still care about the delay?

  • Hughes. #957 6 years ago

    Nah, with FF 12 coming I was going to wait till aroung April-June at the every earliest. Only then if there was an online discount of the sub-£400 quid mark.

  • Les #958 6 years ago

    "So now the initial shock is over, does anyone still care about the delay?"

    Yeah, I do. Nothing rational of course, I've got plenty of unfinished GBA, DS, PS2 and GC games left, but still... I want Singstar PS3 and I want it now!
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 14:11

  • zoidberg #959 6 years ago

    one more...

  • #960 6 years ago

    I might pick up DR tonight actually, I'm in the mood for some zombie fun :)

  • thehat #961 6 years ago

    does anyone still care about the delay?

    It's the principle of the thing...

  • PlugMonkey #962 6 years ago

    I thought "normal" people had less games yet played them more!

    Therfore playing your "old" games would carry some weight

    This is my understanding also, but I would say having a load of 'new' next gen games and a load of old last gen games counts as more games overall, not less.

    (I hope that also makes sense).

    @Hughes.

    To be fair, 360 owners did get to play XBox games with enhancements, they were called XBox 360 games and cost £50 each.

    AHAHAHAHA! AHAHAHA! AHA!

    Whew! Somebody took their funny pills today!

    Try and imagine a world where someone is capable of owning an electrical device without becoming a desciple to its cause. Then get back to me.

    I have about 50 PS2 + PS1 games, my ps2 is on its last legs, so Backwards Compatability is very important to me

    I would say, TurboBailey, that this disqualifies you from 'average joe' status. As does the fact that you're posting on a 1000 long thread on a specialist games website.
    I'm in the same boat as you and BOTH my PS2s are on their last legs. Backwards compatibility is pretty important to me. It means one less console under my telly. Thanks to MS I have to have an Xbox AND a 360 cluttering up my living room. But your average mainstream gamer doesn't have 50+ games. They don't collect them like you, or indeed I, do. They buy them, play them, finish them, sell them.

    Backwards compatability might be a big deal to you, me, Hughes. and everyone else on this bloated monstrosity of a thread, but the person I was replying to seems to think it's so important to 100 million odd PS2 owners that it will be a major factor in the console war. And it won't. Because 99.9% of that 100 million really couldn't give a crap.

  • Hughes. #963 6 years ago

    "Try and imagine a world where someone is capable of owning an electrical device without becoming a desciple to its cause. Then get back to me."

    You've been reading too many of that idiot Miiiguel's, holy war posts. If you want to fantasise about me being a religious devotee, try imgaining me as a Tibetan Monk, I look great in Saffron robes.

    "Because 99.9% of that 100 million really couldn't give a crap."

    When did you get time to ask all of those people? I'm impressed. Or are you just passing off your assumptions as fact? (Like I even have to ask)

  • Vin #964 6 years ago

    Holy CRAP, what a frothy thread.

  • Hughes. #965 6 years ago

    Like a cappuccino! or spit.

  • EmiliasHorse #966 6 years ago

    Just got back from lunch, are we still going strong?

    Good.

    Is Dead Rising available in Gamestation a day early or just Game?

  • Hughes. #967 6 years ago

    1072 !!!!

    When we reach 1080 I'm going to do a fakey tail-grab into method-air.

  • EmiliasHorse #968 6 years ago

    Gnarly!

  • Hughes. #969 6 years ago

    @Wonga

    That is frickin' genius.

  • Skooch #970 6 years ago

    You never know, by the time the PS3 is actually widely available in Europe inflation might mean that 425 pounds isn't so bad after all.

  • EmiliasHorse #971 6 years ago

    I wonder if the boss will let me go early to buy Dead Rising....

  • Hughes. #972 6 years ago

    Whoosh!

    /jumps

    /spins

    /grabs

    /tweaks

    /lands

    Phew!

  • EmiliasHorse #973 6 years ago

    That was phat man...errr...groovy.

  • Hughes. #974 6 years ago

    Thanks, but I think I compressed my vertebrae with that landing... must.... seek.... medical...... attention!

  • AcidSnake #975 6 years ago

    In response to the falling over analogy

    But what if you fell over and broke your nose?
    Or if you fell over onto a rusty pitchfork?

    Sega's hardware demise came as a shock as well back then...
    In theory the Dreamcast was uberpowerful and was going to sell loads...
    In practice the DC was powerful but didn't sell at all...

    I'm not saying this is the end of PS3, but it will change PS4's future...

  • EmiliasHorse #976 6 years ago

    True story.
    I was in a Curry's looking to get my nephew a 360 a few months ago when the "computer expert" advised me to wait for the PS3 as it had far better games AND boasted a whopping 25GB memory to the 360's 512MB.. I explained that I was not born yesterday, and that he may in fact have been a twat as he was quoting bandwidth not actual memory. He stood firm stating the web site agreed with him.... I left before punching him and returned with the specs list to speak to the manager. I was annoyed that an employee was using his fanboyism to influence customers away from 360.
    The same twat served me a month later when I was shopping around for an HD telly. He used the same pitch again telling me to wait for PS3 then get an HD. I pointed out that I bought a 360 at launch and he said "unlucky".

    Sorry if that was boring but it was a true story.

  • FooAtari #977 6 years ago

    @Les"Making the service proprietary (or official as you call it) to me is more of a step backwards than one ahead."

    Normally I would agree, but in this case I would much rather a consistant high quality service, than rely on each dev/publisher run their own servers. Just look at how EA servers were basically total crap compared to those run by MS that most other games used.

    I'm with PlugMonkey on the backwards compatibility, there are many many people out there who trade or sell theie old consoles and old games to help fund a new one.

    and Hughes. "To be fair, 360 owners did get to play XBox games with enhancements, they were called XBox 360 games and cost £50 each. "

    Are you seriosuly suggesting that things will be much different on the PS3??? First big game that comes to mind. GT, has that changed much since GT2? Not really. Many of the big games people want are all sequels. FF, DMC, MGS and then you have the FIFA's, the NFS's etc etc but those is the same for all formats.

    This gen, more than any other will see more sequals and generic "me too" games than ever before. due to higher and higer costs anything that sells will be milked and coppied to death.

  • PlugMonkey #978 6 years ago

    "When did you get time to ask all of those people? I'm impressed. Or are you just passing off your assumptions as fact? (Like I even have to ask)"

    I'm passing opinions off as opinion.

    Are you really telling me that I have to go out and ask every one of 100 million people before I can express an opinion on something? Can I really not just base it on observation and common sense?

    How many of those 100 million spend their time playing PS1 games do you suppose? Approximately four fifths of **** all.

    YOU are a games enthusiast. Pretty much everyone else on the planet isn't. THEY don't give a shit about playing 5 (or 4 or 3 or 2) year old games. If they did, why aren't there more 5 year old games in the charts?
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 15:29

  • bauhaus #979 6 years ago

    My new target is 1111, this thread is slowing down

    Here`s a joke to get it on its way......

    Bloke comes into the kitchen. Takes a frog out of
    his pocket, sets it down in front of his wife.
    Wife: "What's that?"
    Bloke: "It's a cock-sucking frog."
    Wife: "What do you expect me to do with that?"
    Bloke: "Teach it to cook, and fuck off."
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 15:35

  • Les #980 6 years ago

    "Normally I would agree, but in this case I would much rather a consistant high quality service, than rely on each dev/publisher run their own servers. Just look at how EA servers were basically total crap compared to those run by MS that most other games use"

    @ FooAtari (don't know HTML (and don't want to google for it), so no bold sorry... ;-) )
    I think publishers would make sure their servers would work just fine if a significant part of the gaming public makes use of it. UT2004 works just fine and there's probably lots of examples that I don't know about as I don't care for online gaming (I happen to have real friends).

    By the way, MS offers (offered?) online play for it's PC games (e.g. Age of Empires) for free via MSN Gaming Zone. So why all of a sudden charge for it when it's on a console?
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 15:37

  • Hughes. #981 6 years ago

    @Footari

    The rest of my post is on the previous page, I wasn't talking about sequels, I was talking about games that were available, cheaper on pre-existing consoles like Gun, King Kong, Need for Speed, Final Fantasy XI, Burnout Revenge, The Godfather, PGR2 (or PGR3 as some call it), Tomb raider Legend, and more sports titles than you could shake a stick at.

    You're quite right that Sony has similar plans though, GTHD is just as much a con as PGR3 was.

  • AcidSnake #982 6 years ago

    Frog?
    If you want to spark some fanboy interest to bring it to 1111 you should've made it a giant crab!

  • #983 6 years ago

    It's the beginning of the end for this thread.....

  • bauhaus #984 6 years ago

    This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

  • thehat #985 6 years ago

    "I think publishers would make sure their servers would work just fine if a significant part of the gaming public makes use of it. "

    No, if significant numbers use the service publishers see no need to upgrade their service. Won't fix what isn't broken.

  • Hughes. #986 6 years ago

    @PlugMonkey

    "I'm passing opinions off as opinion."

    Your phraseology was that of someone making a statement of fact. Speaking on behalf of 100 million people seems a little presumptuous to me. Of course that's just my opinion.

    "How many of those 100 million spend their time playing PS1 games do you suppose? Approximately four fifths of **** all."

    I'm really going to need to see more concrete figures than those. Assemble them on a pie chart and I'll run them by the Ministry of Made Up Statistics.

    "YOU are a games enthusiast. Pretty much everyone else on the planet isn't. THEY don't give a shit about playing 5 (or 4 or 3 or 2) year old games."

    Here again, opinions not declared as such, and delivered as if they are facts will tend to be called presumptuous, considering your phrasing may help avoid this confusion.

    If they did, why aren't there more 5 year old games in the charts?"

    Because they either already own them or can only buy them second hand, an invisible market which isn't charted.

  • Les #987 6 years ago

    "No, if significant numbers use the service publishers see no need to upgrade their service. Won't fix what isn't broken."

    @ thehat
    OK, OK, but if the significant number begins to complain that the service is broken, the publisher will fix it. Or suffer the consequences.

    almost 1100...

    @ Sofalover
    "Oh that's ok then extrapolate your experience with one game and then generalise with it whilst insulting everyone who happens to know about online gaming."

    Two actually, I also mentioned Age of Empires... :) At least this 'proves' that online gaming is perfectly possible without creating a proprietary service and charge users for that.
    Edited by 3 at 07/09/06 @ 16:03

  • Feanor #988 6 years ago

    1098, damn, I wanted to be 1,100.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 16:07

  • PlugMonkey #989 6 years ago

    Alright, Mr Smarty Pants. Why exactly is the burden of proof laid squarely at my door and my door alone? One poster claimed backwards compatability was a massive factor. I claimed otherwise with a counter argument, which from my personal experience I still hold to be true.

    You want to counter counter argue? Well where are all your bloody concrete numbers then? Prove to me beyond all doubt that more than a handful of people have concerns over backwards compatability.

    And allow me to point out again - you are engaged in an argument about computer games backwards compatability uptake on a 1096 post long discussion on a computer games specialist website. I don't think assuming you are some sort of computer games entusiast is taking a massive leap of faith, do you? If you are a mainstream gamer with only a passing interest in the medium, why the hell do you care?

  • Penguinzoot #990 6 years ago

    @Les,

    The Xbox Live infrastructure has to be maintained and paid for. I think most XBL users will actually tell you they are pretty impressed with the service TBH. The only major weak spots have been EAs insistence on running their own servers.

    TBH, I for one would prefer to pay for Sonys online offering if it meant I was going to get persistent, consistent and reliable online service ala Xbox Live, rather than leave it to the vaguaries of various vendors/publishers.

    And before you say I don;t know what the service is like yet - yes, thats true. But given the scenario on XBL where EA runs their own servers, I think it demonstrates my point quite well.

    EDIT: speeling.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 16:07

  • PlugMonkey #991 6 years ago

    "Here again, opinions not declared as such, "

    And do I have to write "(this is an opinion)" at the end of every sentence? You're not.

  • thehat #992 6 years ago

    "OK, OK, but if the significant number begins to complain that the service is broken, the publisher will fix it. Or suffer the consequences."

    tbh I think they'd either have the money to laugh in the face of consequences or not enough money to fix it. But I'm a cynic.

  • Hughes. #993 6 years ago

    @PlugMonkey

    Why do I care! Because we've got to keep this thread going!

    2000 posts bebby! We can do it!

    I don't have any concrete figures I'm afraid, but I do have some alabaster lion heads on my front gate-posts. They're a bit green at the moment though, maybe some bleach would clean them up?

  • #994 6 years ago

    lol

  • Jesus: Action Figure #995 6 years ago

    Did something important happen?

    What's the date? What year is this? Who's the president?

  • PlugMonkey #996 6 years ago

    @Hughes.

    lol. This thread will never die. :D

    So, what PS2 games will you be playing on your PS3? And are you going to fork out for the USB memory card adapter?

  • Hughes. #997 6 years ago

    I'll be honest, there are more PS1 games I want to play than PS2 ones, but the usual MGS and GT suspects will always get a play and Ico and Shadow of the Colossus are constantly returning to my disc tray, and I'll be glad not to have a load more cables and dusty tat around my telly than necessary (Not that I'm saying the PS2 is dusty tat (oops!)

    As for the USB adapter, possibly not, unless they're only a fiver or something. I'd like to start some of the games from scratch, you get more out of them that way, I feel.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 16:18

  • Xerx3s #998 6 years ago

    You probably mean a scent.

    Yeh, thx.

    Google fight predicts the winner

    Puts things a bit more into perspective. ;)

    \o/ Last!!!

    In your dreams. ;)

  • Hughes. #999 6 years ago

    1111

  • jiveguy #1000 6 years ago

    Hardly

  • jiveguy #1001 6 years ago

    Eleventyhundred and eleven.

    Now, thast more like it.

  • #1002 6 years ago

    I just got a feeling that is really difficult to put into words. You know, I think I was actually feeling sorry for Sony there for a minute.

    I was on you tube and the internet in general and Sony are getting absolutely caned, nailed to the wall, hung drawn and quartered and probably tarred and feathered too.

    Something's not right, I ought not to be feeling this way, after all, I truly believe they are just getting what they deserve.

    Maybe I have more decency inside me than I thought, where even I don't like to see the villain of the piece raped so publicly :(

  • thehat #1003 6 years ago

    /slaps mapster

  • #1004 6 years ago

    lol

  • FooAtari #1005 6 years ago

    Les
    The charging for use thing is a very good question. But Live provides a lot more than just a server to play on. However Live users do seem to get shafted in some areas. Oblivion content was free on PC and charged for on Live. But I belive this is the developers/publishers(more likely) choice. Not than MS are innocent in all of that, charging for gamer pics and themes is a total con.

    And I wouldnt trust a third party to run servers. EA shut down the servers for games relativley(sp?) quickly, especially when a new game in a franchise comes out, and if a game had little online users how low would developers/publishers keep them open for? I don't think MS hve closed any servers yet, even for games, like Outrun 2 for example, that never seem to have anyone online.

    Hughes.
    That's the same when ever there is a transition between generations. Many publishers will choose to release games on both PS3/360 and PS2/Xbox.

    Dunno if you have played PGR2/3 but both games are quite different, as far as racing sequals go...
    -----

    Another reason why a paid for service that is run by MS is a good thing, I read in another thread here.

    " The lack of managed online stuff is the main drawback for PS3 for me too. In Live everything just works and anything new you get, you know will work the same. Thats massively more important to mainstream takeup"

    It just works, all in the same way, from a central hub if you like. Which is hugely important for the main stream. You dont need to have an account for every game, pay (possibly) several different developers. It all works from one place. MS are in charge of how everything is run, and can ensure the service is kept to a high quality. Sony have left that in the hands of third parties, which could end up giving their online service a bad name if the developers don't run things well, and ultimately reflect badly on the PS3 and Sony.

    Consoles are not PC's (as you have said previously). No one owns the right to a PC, and people can setup networks, servers etc etc as they please, and if they are crap they only have themselves to blame. But Sony, MS, Nintendo own the rights to Xbox, PS, Wii, DS etc etc and I dont have a problem with them taking control of there online service, as Ninty already does, to ensure the quality remains high. Anyone can setup a Quake 4 server for the PC, there are choices about which to use. If EA servers are crap where else can you go?
    Edited by 3 at 07/09/06 @ 16:53

  • Les #1006 6 years ago

    At least Sony seems to finally learn from their mistakes:

    from the ps3 site:
    "PLAYSTATION©3 is currently planned to launch in Europe in March 2007."

  • #1007 6 years ago

    Sony couldn't learn how to add up 2 + 2 from a 3 year old. They aren't humbled enough yet to learn the lessons form the past.

  • jaydeluxe #1008 6 years ago

    I want a PS3 but actually I'm glad it's not out until March 07 as that gives me time to play all the great PS2 games I haven't got around to finishing and the ones I've yet to to buy. Plus there's some nice PSP games coming out. And I'd love a DS and Dead Rising on 360 looks great plus I've never played Halo. Or GoldenEye so that's an N64 I've got to pick up. Plus an old SNES to play Donkey Kong Country & SFII & Super Mario. And I've got to get around to picking up a ColecoVision from eBay like I used to own for original Donkey Kong. And wouldn't a ZX81 with 16K expansion be cool. You've got to put them in the freezer every few hours. I loved the 'machine code' games from back in the day. Killer £ signs from the top of the screen.

    And who cares about what I'm actually saying, it's one more post right?
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 17:00

  • #1009 6 years ago

    I care jay, I care. Unlike sony :)

  • Kafeen #1010 6 years ago

    "Google fight predicts the winner"

    And the winner is...

  • bauhaus #1011 6 years ago

    Shit!! Beers for lunch made me fall asleep on the sofa, who got 1111???

    next stop 1234

  • FooAtari #1012 6 years ago

    Hi Les :D

    So how exactly have they learned? Im confused. They changed the date on the site, after it was announced as delayed? Little point in leaving at Novemeber was there? :)

  • thehat #1013 6 years ago

    Less than 100 needed to top Gamespot...

  • foxy2006 #1014 6 years ago

    ridge..

  • FooAtari #1015 6 years ago

    Hmmm, things seem to be slowing down....

    I can't belive anyone here would actually considering buying the POS that is the PS3.

    Do people enjoy bending over and getting shafted by a bunch of arrogant tw@as???

  • Guff-Pipe #1016 6 years ago

    I love getting bum by aragant twats. Ive ordered 2!!! yeeehaaa!!!!

  • Cabelo #1017 6 years ago

    Owned :(
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 18:14

  • Guff-Pipe #1018 6 years ago

    Could you (in theory) strap a ps3 controoler or wii wand to your penis and move that around and play the game?

  • kangarootoo #1019 6 years ago

    Just poking my head in. Glad to see things are still cranking along at a good rate and everyone is having a good time. Keep it clean now. I'll pop in again before I go to the bingo and I'll leave some biscuits on the Radio Times.

  • PlugMonkey #1020 6 years ago

    As for the USB adapter, possibly not, unless they're only a fiver or something.

    Yeah, I probably wouldn't bother unless it was cheap, which most likely leaves me with a PS2 AND and PS3 under the telly - in much the same way as the Xbox and 360. My dusty tat increaseth. There's some games I drop in the drive because I want to start them from scratch again, but there'll be quite a few (guitar hero springs to mind) that I'll most likely want to just continue with without having to repeat the whole lot. Not being able to transfer my save games renders a lot of the backwards compatability a bit redundant.

    Gawd bless Nintendo for doing it properly!
    (Although just releasing the same console a 2nd time round could be construed as cheating...)

  • kangarootoo #1021 6 years ago

    "by all accounts"

    The greatest 3 words ever put in a line when it comes to avoiding any factual content whatsoever. I believe a guy down the pub also said it was shite, or at least "thats what they say".

  • bauhaus #1022 6 years ago

    All the haters and moaners in this thread, gonna be funny in a few months when they are all fawning over there shiny new PS3's

  • Les #1023 6 years ago

    "Sony couldn't learn how to add up 2 + 2 from a 3 year old."

    To be fair to Sony, in general 3 year olds aren't that good at teaching... (or at math)
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 17:52

  • richardiox #1024 6 years ago

    PS 3 years later

  • Les #1025 6 years ago

    "As for the USB adapter, possibly not, unless they're only a fiver or something."

    Probably will get it. It was a good decision of Sony to go for standard memory cards. As I'll still want to play PS2 and PSone games on my PS4, I think the investment is worth it. Will also allow me to store those files at a (relatively) safe place like gmail.

    I wanted a PS3 before Sony screwed up, the product didn't change, so I still want one now. And even a bit more, since it's out of reach... ;-)

  • toy_brain #1026 6 years ago

    Naturally I havent read all of this thread. I just wanna know one thing.
    Whereabouts and how often did mike_mgoblue post?

    Seriously, I need a chuckle.

  • #1027 6 years ago

    I've decided not to pick up DR tonight, might skin up with Saints Row for a bit. Also, the commentary on HL2 Ep1 is surprisingly good and making me want to sit through it.

    I shall pop in from time to time to encourage those of you currently on watch!

  • Jandurin #1028 6 years ago

    @ toy_brain: I'm pretty sure mike_mgoblue posted once, and was shot down by several fairly quickly as a Microsoft fool. Or is that tool?

    I'm pretty sure you people just kept on posting through my entire sleep. That's like 11 hours. No one I know is buying a PS3 for years, except to sell on Ebay. And my one friend owns every system. Like, literally. That's game dedication. His point: what's the point of getting a system with no games. To which I can now add: that isn't even going to be accessible without an extremely lucky pre-ordering. Perhaps if you went to all the stores in a 50 mile radius you could net one or two. For me, I await the Wii. Sad, perhaps, but there's nothing worthwhile on the 360, either.

  • CitizenGeek #1029 6 years ago

    I think the PS2 does have a much better line-up than the Xbox360. FFXII will definately outsell Gears Of War and anything else 360 comes up with. PS2 also has Okami and Kingdom Hearts 2 (which is very mass-market) to carry it through until xmas. Don't underestimate the PS2, it's outselling the 360 everywhere right now.

    And, does it really make THAT much of a difference, the 1m or so Sony fanboys who would've bought the PS3 when it launched in Europe, will still be waiting come 2007 IMO. On the other hand this really tarnishes the PlayStation brand amaog the harcore gamers, and in all honestly thats the only market that will be buying a PS3.

    I can't help but be delighted by this news, however. At last Sony are getting some backlash for relying too heavily on the PlayStation brand, pity it tok so long for PSP, but PS3 isn't out yet and it's already begun.

  • captainrentboy #1030 6 years ago

    The swapping of console preference with the general public has begun people,today in my Game store we sold fifteen 360's,with more than half of the customers giving the reason for the purchase ''I can't be arsed to wait until March for the PS3''...Sony really are fucking up with us Europeans big stylee.
    I'm expecting even more to sell tomorrow what with Dead Rising and Test Drive hitting the shelves.

  • FooAtari #1031 6 years ago

    Oh well my last post didnt work the fanboys into a posting Frenzy :(

    Anyway

    Bauhaus
    All the haters and moaners in this thread, gonna be funny in a few months when they are all fawning over there shiny new PS3's

    Where is that most I made earlier today.... Here it is

    Of all the posts I see on the forum, this type annoys me the most....

    "I just need to say that all of people here who say "I will not buy PS3 because of delay" are notorius liars.

    They will be first in the row in the March and I'll be more then happy to join them.

    Sony has just give me additional 6 months for saving the money for 1080p set and thank them a lot - now I do not need to do a bank-credit for it."

    Why? Who are to say what others will do? Can you not grasp the fact some people may have changed their minds, or quite simply, at the moment, just not want to buy your console of choice. I originally bought a PS2 close to launch (sold 6 months later, and bought another about a year ago) but sure as hell will not be buying a PS3 launch, no reason to.

  • Penguinzoot #1032 6 years ago

    So, captainrentboy, how many 360s would you normally sell then?

    /just curious.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 18:38

  • Xerx3s #1033 6 years ago

    Mapster: lol

    In contrast to the link on the same page.

  • bauhaus #1034 6 years ago

    FooAtari

    Sorry mate, did`nt mean to stray into your patch, I fell asleep a while ago after too many beers for lunch and couldnt be arsed to read the zillion posts during my slumber

    We're both right thought eh?

  • captainrentboy #1035 6 years ago

    penguinzoot I live in a crappy lil town,and our store is never overly busy.From what I've seen when working,it's not very often more than 6-10 360's are sold in one day,including Saturdays.
    Then again I'm sure the two big releases this weekend are also helping push sales of the console.Soooo many people seem interested in Dead Rising,saying that the game is plastered bloody everywhere in store.

  • thehat #1036 6 years ago

    @andyjack: Time for some Fisher lovin' instead?

  • Polymath #1037 6 years ago

    Oh my goodness, this discussion keeps going!?

    1) I'm personally unsurprised by the delay, given Sony's habits and history. But whether the console will suck will be determined in large part by the first generation of games, and what the console can do. With a well produced console and a good network of 3rd party and exclusive games, it should go alright. On the other hand, Sony no longer has the advantage of having a completely intact reputation. The enthusiast consumer does have a profound effect -- manifest through one's peers. Indeed, without the enthusiast consumer, AMD would never be able to compete with Intel. But, over 8-10 years, the word-of-mouth has worked.

    Similarly, if the majority of enthusiasts really prefer the 360, it will have its effects on the public.

    2) The Wii has a niche. For the public, it's new and innovative. Just like not everyone needs a PDAphone, many if not most, would prefer small, compact and efficient. I think there's a strong possibility that Wii will be the strongest console for this generation.

    3) I would prefer all 3 to stay in the game, with occasional changes in the level of dominance. Keeps games plastic and evolving. :)

  • JediMasterMalik #1038 6 years ago

    1150 FTW!!! :D

    Is this a record then?

    Edit -1152!! :'(
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 19:00

  • JDub #1039 6 years ago

    \o/ Last!!!

    LOL

  • thehat #1040 6 years ago

    Dunno what the record is, any staffers in the know?

  • SeesThroughAll #1041 6 years ago

    The aim was getting past 1200, methinks.

  • thehat #1042 6 years ago

    to beat gamespot yes, but now I'm wondering what the EG record is.

  • #1043 6 years ago

    Xerxes wrote: In contrast to the link on the same page.

    Cheers mate, that was some funny shit going on there :)

  • SeesThroughAll #1044 6 years ago

    I think the local record has already been beaten

  • JediMasterMalik #1045 6 years ago

    Anyone posting in this thread should read the GI article below this article. It's very good.

    BUT post your views here, just for the hell of reaching 1200. :D

    You know what let's talk about everything here:

    What did people have for lunch, I had Chinese Chicken Curry with Rice. :D

  • #1046 6 years ago

    Actually, watch the Anti Xbox 2 one on you tube, it's even funnier!

  • Les #1047 6 years ago

    My PS2's been up and running for over 4 years now. Hope it will keep working until March.

    While I'm quite angry at Sony (and so is most of the hardcore crowd and MS fanboys here), I think the mass market won't give a rats arse. Most probably didn't know about November 17th let alone yesterday's news.

    As several people already mentioned, the people posting here don't come close to the 'average' console owner. It certainly relieves some of the disappointment to bitch and moan here about Sony's misleading statements about the European launch (and some are amusing themselves gloating over it, complaining that Sony is arrogant, blablabla, which they are but not much more than MS (most have forgotten the disastrous MTV 360 presentation by now, how convenient) and Nintendo). But in the grander scheme of things, not launching in Europe in November will probably not have a major impact on the outcome of the console war, MS's lead will be a bit bigger, but nothing Sony can't overcome with some proper marketing aimed at the masses (they should have more than enough time now to design a proper PS3 site).

  • bauhaus #1048 6 years ago

    link please Mapster

  • weaselrat #1049 6 years ago

    YAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

  • SeesThroughAll #1050 6 years ago

    Anyone posting in this thread should read the GI article below this article. It's very good.

    Yes, it's a very good one. It gives a cold and realistic view of where Sony stands at the moment. The comments section there has also resisted trolling so far :D.

  • FooAtari #1051 6 years ago

    What you saying sorry for Bahaus? :D

    Just because I said it earlier I wouldnt expect anyone not to see it after!

    Your probably right. Some will still get it after going nuts about this, and some wont.

  • immateriaux #1052 6 years ago

    @Penguinzoot
    I said the "The Home PC has, in my opinion, been set back... because of the MS monoply there" - I never claimed this was the fault of MS, I was simply stating that the fact of a monoply held back progress. I also went on to partly blame Apple for this fact, due to their being basically arrogant with their product's strengths and hence complacent in the market. And I'd secondly blame IBM for being complete idiots in the way they handled their relations with MS.

    What is it with these forums and constant fanboy-isms that a person can't make a point without everyone assuming it's all black and white, one side of the fence or the other? If you were sourcing PCs back then I would have expected a bit more maturity from you now. Get over it yourself for fuck's sake, not everyone is so two-dimensional.

    @Xerx3s
    Trying reading posts in future. I said OS2 as specced, not as delivered. That was my point, MS sabotaged its delivery so that it never was a real contender as an OS. And this isn't my opinion, IBM did after all win their case against MS.

  • #1053 6 years ago

    Anti Xbox 2 linky dinky.

    Seriously, this had me chuckling like a pixie on grass :)
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 19:19

  • SeesThroughAll #1054 6 years ago

    LOL Funny flick

    But I still like Oblivion though
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 19:23

  • Les #1055 6 years ago

    LOL 2

    almost there...
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 19:24

  • #1056 6 years ago

    I think the guy who does those anti xbox vids holds the records for the number of times someone has been called an idiot in the you tube comments threads heheh

  • Les #1057 6 years ago

    "I think the guy who does those anti xbox vids holds the records for the number of times someone has been called an idiot in the you tube comments threads heheh"

    Probably all MS employees that should better spend their time getting vista ready... (from an MS perspective of course, personally I couldn't care less)
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 19:29

  • Rambaldi #1058 6 years ago

    THERE'S JOY IN REPETITION

  • kasabian72 #1059 6 years ago

    Well, it has taken me quite a few hrs, but i've actually read ALL of the posts from the beginning up to now(1164++). Thank god i have no life, or else i wouldn't have bothered to do so. But thanks to all of those that made this thread so enjoyable and interesting enough to read through(for the most part).

    And to prove i read it, here's a brief recap: it started with the anti-Sony people and their 'told you so' rants, calmer heads came in and played devil's advocate, Wii/360-bashing/lovin' posts came into play, then some intellectual discussion about pc's that lost me right away, then an impassioned plea to get the thread to 1000 posts, etc... Come to think of it, that probably doesn't prove i read everything cause most threads usually end up like that anyway.

    But i honestly did read it all and can proudly say i was there to read Mapster's eloquent, if slightly self-serving, 1000'th post on this day...Sept 7, 2006. Thurs. A truly momentous occasion. To celebrate and reward myself, i posted this and am now going to take a big-ass nap. G'nite.

  • #1060 6 years ago

    rambaldi that gives us a cheap win, and takes the fun out of it, delete those ya plonker!

  • SeesThroughAll #1061 6 years ago

    Yes Rambaldi, there's no joy in repetition ;)... Please delete them.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 19:33

  • Rambaldi #1062 6 years ago

    Aww come one dude, you make it sound like the other 1180 posts have all been original and constructive!

  • #1063 6 years ago

    It looks really bad, especially as we approach victory. Do the right thing, you know you want to ;)

  • Rambaldi #1064 6 years ago

    Aww balls to it. Every time I delete one it takes me back to first page. They stay.

  • #1065 6 years ago

    Learn to clean up after yourself, it'll hold you in good stead for the future!

  • Rambaldi #1066 6 years ago

    Sheesh...the things I do for you guys :)

  • bauhaus #1067 6 years ago

    Well done Mr. R.

  • #1068 6 years ago

    What a star!

    /applauds

    Back to the anti xbox 2 video

    /chuckles

  • Rambaldi #1069 6 years ago

    Grrr..

    THERES JOY IN....

  • Rambaldi #1070 6 years ago

    Anyway, where's Blackdog on this fine, fine day? I'm sure he'd be able to be postive about the PS3 right now, the old bugger.

  • #1071 6 years ago

    Quick compo, find a funny picture of a donkey together with a ps3. Winner gets a lot of love.

    I found this.

    Ok, I made it and I'm not very good with photoshop.

    Yes, it's also childish and not even slightly honest.

  • SeesThroughAll #1072 6 years ago

    He would probably say Sony are doing us a favor, by making sure that the PS3 is duely tested in US and Japan, and later on improved for the european market. Which might end up being the case, though not out of consideration for us.

  • GitSomE_UK #1073 6 years ago

    Wooh! biggest comments thread I've ever seen gotta get my name on this historic occaison.

    Oh and err Sony, ummm meh!

    Besides there's no games ready yet so meh two times!

  • zoidberg #1074 6 years ago

    let's stretch for 1200

  • Xerx3s #1075 6 years ago

    Anyone posting in this thread should read the GI article below this article. It's very good.

    +1

    Oh, and I bumped this thread yet again. I'm so great. No really. You can discuss how great I am in here as well while we are bumping it anyway.

    /admires himself in the mirror

    t3h real next gen. \0/

  • yagisencho #1076 6 years ago

    Mapster, I'm not sure I understood the point of the video. Two completely different games (in different genres) using different game engines don't share the same effects list and...what's the point?

    /Oblivion looks best when it's lit (versus rainy night scenes).
    //The MGS effects are very pretty.
    ///MGS 3 was produced on mature hardware and middleware.
    ////Oblivion is rendering and tracking a virtual world with untold numbers of objects.

  • FooAtari #1077 6 years ago

    But Les
    "While I'm quite angry at Sony (and so is most of the hardcore crowd and MS fanboys here), I think the mass market won't give a rats arse. Most probably didn't know about November 17th let alone yesterday's news."

    This news is mass market, the BBC News even gave it a mention at 1 o'clock.... Weather enough people give a damn or not though will not be clear for a year or two though.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 21:25

  • #1078 6 years ago

    yagisencho wrote: Mapster, I'm not sure I understood the point of the video. Two completely different games (in different genres) using different game engines don't share the same effects list and...what's the point?

    Mate, you have got the point EXACTLY. Which is why the video is so hilarious :)

  • The12thMonkey #1079 6 years ago

    Still here, are we?

    Sony? Yeah, they're still up the creak. No sight of a paddle yet.

    Gogo 1.2k
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 20:16

  • bauhaus #1080 6 years ago

    Notice the pause in posting now, as everyone has there sights on the 'Magic' (c) 1200 post

    /shit!! just nudged is closer myself

  • SeesThroughAll #1081 6 years ago

    the BBC News even gave it a mention at 1 o'clock....

    Oh boy, did the sh17 hit the fan!

  • bauhaus #1082 6 years ago

    Just picked up an Oz :D

  • #1083 6 years ago

    This thread needs more donkeys and PS3's ;)

  • SeesThroughAll #1084 6 years ago

    1200
    Done.

  • bauhaus #1085 6 years ago

    bugger

  • jiveguy #1086 6 years ago

    Super!

  • #1087 6 years ago

    /throws massive party!

    lol

    We're there!

  • #1088 6 years ago

    Rauper, I think you should come on and address your loyal troops who have sent your page views through the roof this week :)

  • JediMasterMalik #1089 6 years ago

    Hows about now?

  • SeesThroughAll #1090 6 years ago

    I think Swapgame.com are grateful

  • JediMasterMalik #1091 6 years ago

    balloons FTW!!

  • FooAtari #1092 6 years ago

    @SeesThroughAll

    "Oh boy, did the sh17 hit the fan! "

    Are you taking the piss? :) Was just saying this had made news outisde the gaming press.

    "I think Swapgame.com are grateful.

    Who actually clicked on the add and went to their site though?? I only see it at work, Adblocker extension keeps them out of site at home.

  • faselei #1093 6 years ago

    i always click the adds... never buy anything though...

    1200 odd posts... omfg. Say what you want but the ppl who come on this site and bother to post know games and buy games, its a ripple effect if we're this pissed off, it will seep out into the wider world.

  • pantherboy #1094 6 years ago

    whoa! Got to be comments record.

    Sony probably have managed to tick every thing in the check list on how to mess up a console launch.

    (I want to be a record breaker!!!!!)

  • Xerx3s #1095 6 years ago

    1200
    Done.

    Meh. That is soooooooo last gen. 2000 is t3h real next gen.

    I was just wondering, is there another EU only site that is bigger than EG?

  • Xerx3s #1096 6 years ago

    Btw, some ppl talk about fanboyism by readers on EG. How about some fanboyism from reporters? 0_o

    I mean, damn...

  • captainrentboy #1097 6 years ago

    That link is kind of amusing,in a terribly childish/immature way.But don't you think Sony deserve all the piss taking they're recieving at the moment?I mean Ken was spouting an awful lot of shit last year.And like the article says,if they weren't such bastards forcing their bloody Blu-Ray on everyone the console would have been out long ago.
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 22:39

  • mugen #1098 6 years ago

    at least this way i can tell my ps3 buying friend if Assassins Creed is any good or not ;)

  • BartonFink #1099 6 years ago

    \o/

    Let's push ahead for 2000.

  • SeesThroughAll #1100 6 years ago

    "1200
    Done.

    Meh. That is soooooooo last gen. 2000 is t3h real next gen."

    :D Xerx3s +1

    Unfortunately, the 2000th post will have to be delayed until March 2070 (no, it's not a typo).
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 22:53

  • Hughes. #1101 6 years ago

    I don't know how Sony managed to get George W Bush to own up to secret CIA foreign prisons and Tony Blair to have a huge leadership crisis to drown out the news of the delay... talk about a good day to bury bad news!!

    Crafty bastards!
    Edited by 1 at 07/09/06 @ 23:22

  • PAUL_CERULA #1102 6 years ago

    Sony couldn't launch an erection in a room filled with angelina jolie look alikes
    Edited by 1 at 08/09/06 @ 04:20

  • 3william56 #1103 6 years ago

    So much rage.
    So much anger.
    Damn that rap music.

  • Tayl #1104 6 years ago

    Rap music?

    Xglockx 360?
    HoStation 3?
    Nintendho Wii?

    I seriously suck at life, and I apologise profusely for having demonstrated that fact tonight.

  • Tayl #1105 6 years ago

    Unauthorised urine-removal FTL, aye.

    Though I'm still of the opinion that Wii's name is still a piss-take in & of itself, and that the recurrent 360 hardware failures also constitute an unfunny tinkle-ectomy; let us not be selective as to which liquid waste-thefts stimulate our collective funny bone, ya know?

  • Rambaldi #1106 6 years ago

    I HEREBY ANNOUNCE THE COMPETITION TO GET THE LAST COMMENT ON THIS THREAD!

    /thinks of school presentation assemblys and the unspoken competition of who gives the last clap ;)
    Edited by 1 at 08/09/06 @ 08:05

  • bauhaus #1107 6 years ago

    This is the end guys

    Its been a good run, lets just let this thread die with some dignity

    Thread! I Salute you, and all who sailed in you.

    /sniff

  • OllyJ #1108 6 years ago

    Surely the ultimate is getting to 1337 posts? or is that just a bit sad? but come on we're close!

    Anyway PS3 I'm personally a bit non plussed regarding it myself, it doesn't have that killer difference between other consoles (like XBLA and Wii controller/virtual console), and to be honest I was gagging for a PSP and I get more use out of the DS.

    I was never pre ordering a PS3 anyway but I can see me being happy with a wii/360 and maybe getting a PS3 way down the line when there is next gen Ratchet and Clank, Silent Hill and erm....Crash Bandicoot...but only two of those would be exclusive so the only reason i'd want one is for NG Ratchet and clank....

  • thehat #1109 6 years ago

    Congrats everyone \o/

    Up yours gamespot!

  • SlackMaster #1110 6 years ago

    Lets face it, it's not kids or parents that are going to be buy a PS3 at launch, it's adults with money to burn who have possibly brought a HDTV already.

    Things can't have changed that much in my 28yrs that parents are spending £475+ on their kids for xmas or birthdays. Sorry but in the *real* world that doesn't happen. It'll not be until after a year or two after launch that the PS3 will be accessable to kids... they'll be no upset kids this xmas as they were never gonna get one in the first place.

    I think the Wii and 360 will sell well this xmas with many opting for them as a home console, with strong sales of DS and an increade in PSP sales... I think PS2 sales are ebbing off now with more interest being in the next gen rather than the current one.

    Personally I'm not bothered about the PS3 and certainly couldn't justify spending £425 on a console alone, however I will get a Wii at launch and will sign up for one as soon as pre-orders become available.

    I have all the last gen console, all the handhelds and a 360 and I have money to send, but that doesn't mean I'd waste my money on *potential*, especially considering Sony's track record.

  • Killdare #1111 6 years ago

    Well, it's a bit late, but someone's popped up an obituary for the Euro PS3 on http://www.asadodo.com. I wonder where they'll find a big enough coffin?
    Edited by 1 at 08/09/06 @ 09:12

  • Latinleader #1112 6 years ago

    Well, since everyone's posting in this threard I thought I'd throw one in as well.

    I wonder just how many members on this site have posted comments here.

    mmm...

    Anyways, delay or no delay it makes no difference to me personally as I refuse to pay that much money for any console. I could get a decent TV for that kind of money. In fact I think I will..

    *runs over to the shop*

    Excuse me shopkeep, how much for that 23" HD TV there?

  • bauhaus #1113 6 years ago

    23"

    Call that a telly?

  • Kafeen #1114 6 years ago

    Sony must be well pleased to see how bothered everyone is about the PS3 delay. Everyone here must want one bad.

  • OllyJ #1115 6 years ago

    Or everyone just likes to stick the boot in?

  • Les #1116 6 years ago

    "Or everyone just likes to stick the boot in?"

    Doesn't matter, shows you care. The marketing guys are probably thrilled...

    I'd like to stress I'm upset with Sony because they said they'll do a global launch and then take it back. If they'd said from the beginning that Europe would follow at a later stage, I wouldn't have had any problems with it.

    The fact that Europe isn't treated the same as Japan and the US isn't a fault of Sony, it's the fault of us Europeans. We're not a single market in the same sense that the US and Japan are. So while some people make comparissons to show that Europe is almost as big (or sometimes bigger), those comparissons don't hold as Europe is not a single entity.

    If you want Sony to take Europe seriously, make sure your government takes a more pro-Europe stance.

  • mattGuima #1117 6 years ago

    I'm not sure if I will get one when it comes out now but it definitely had an impact on me the way Sony just seems to think we don't mind being treated as worthless and secondary consumers all the time.

    Before I had my mind set on buying the PS3 over Wii, but now I don't even care if I'll like the Wii or not, it just makes me feel like buying one just to make a statement.

    Sony's really making all the wrong decisions these days which is a pity after building such a good reputation with the PS2.

    I don't think there's any more room for dissapointment at the moment so they better watch out cuz they're starting to lose their fan-base quickly!

  • JDub #1118 6 years ago

    \o/ Last!! ftw

  • manic_mouse #1119 6 years ago

    "Just give the ps3 a break, its not about the company or the machine"

    You have to remember that Sony brought this huge backlash from the gaming community down on their own heads. It is entirely their own fault that they're being treated this way.

    They have, because of the success of the PSone and PS2, been treating consumers (and particularly EU consumers) like trash. They feel, and have made this abundantly clear to everyone, that Ken Kutaragi could do a dump in a cardboard box with "PS3" written on it and people would love it.

    Then there's all the lies that Sony have told about the PS3. Re-watch Sony's E3 2005 conference and tell me how many of those game "demos" are real, or how I'll be able to display two 1080p pictures with the dual HDMI, or how I should be playing my PS3 right now because it launched spring 2006.

    Not only that, but the way that Sony tash-talked MS and the 360 has seriously come back to haunt them. All the talk about how 720p isn't "real" HD, and the next-gen starts when the PS3 launches. Well, strangely, no PS3 games are in 1080p and it's launching with "real next gen games" like Fight Night 3 which will have been out on the 360 for a year. Or how Sony said that having two SKUs was a stupid idea when MS did it? And that they would "show MS how a worldwide launch is done". Or how the "twice as powerful" PS3 has games that look identical to what the 360 can do, for the most part.

    You can't spectacularly under-deliver on what you've promised while trash talking opposition and expect to get away with it. The PS3 is a fine, albeit expensive, console and will have many good games but Sony deserve to be treated this way.
    Edited by 3 at 08/09/06 @ 12:06

  • Les #1120 6 years ago

    "I think the Wii and 360 will sell well this xmas with many opting for them as a home console, with strong sales of DS and an increade in PSP sales... I think PS2 sales are ebbing off now with more interest being in the next gen rather than the current one."

    I think PS2 will have a strong xmas. It has an impressive Q3 and Q4 calendar (Kingdom Hearts II, Okami, Yakuza, PES6, Guitar Hero II, maybe Final Fantasy XII (if I was Sony I would make sure it launches before xmas as now it won't eat into potential PS3 sales)) it has the biggest installed base and the console itself is very cheap and a perfect entry for children.

    And if Wii is embraced by the public as it is by the video game media (all hardcore gamers by definition), it might well give the 360 a run for it's money during the holidays.

    @ manicmouse

    The trash talking argument is nonsense, MS is doing it the other way around just as much. The spring 2006 launch date was never promised (unlike the Nov. 17th European launch). Most of the stuff they removed from PS3 (dual HDMI and ethernet ports) are logical decisions (and as far as I'm aware, they never said those specs were the final ones). Maybe they shouldn't have shown them in the first place but hardly anyone is going to miss them (especially not the people that keep complaining Sony removed them). As for the video's, of course they weren't running on PS3 hardware, because it didn't excist back then. What they said was that they would give a good impression of the graphical capabilities of the PS3 (not limited to first generation PS3 software ofcourse). And as I myself haven't seen any real finished PS3 footage to date, I can't tell whether they lied or not. The fact is, we'll probably only know when PS4 is around the corner and developers have had the time to master PS3 (like with PS2). I wouldn't be surprised if 3rd or so generation PS3 games will be able to look as good as the Killzone demo graphically speaking (of course I don't believe all the extra cinematic additions will be possible in actual game play, not with next generation hardware).

    To me, there wasn't so much a difference in quality between Sony's E2005 and E2006 showings. It was the way how the press covered it and both times they were wrong. They overhyped Sony in 2005 and underhyped Microsoft by comparing apples and oranges (target footage with development code). In 2006 they gave Sony a way too hard time because the year before they screwed up.
    Edited by 3 at 08/09/06 @ 12:39

  • OllyJ #1121 6 years ago

    100 more posts till 1337!

  • Les #1122 6 years ago

    99

    and I realise it's not funny

  • PlugMonkey #1123 6 years ago

    Doesn't matter, shows you care. The marketing guys are probably thrilled...

    Oh, I'm sure. I bet every time someone says they can't be arsed waiting for a PS3 and buys a 360 instead, the marketing guys all do a little dance.

  • Les #1124 6 years ago

    "I bet every time someone says they can't be arsed waiting for a PS3 and buys a 360 instead, the marketing guys all do a little dance."

    Of course they won't. But I'd be surprised if the majority of potential PS3 buyers will make such a statement (and follow it up with action). Sony has probably alienated some people, but I bet it's a relatively small group (namely a small subsection of the hardcore gamers which itself is but a small subsection of the group that plays video games).

  • Xerx3s #1125 6 years ago

    What, I leave for a day and you still didn't reach 2000?! Work harder my little santa slaves! T3h uber bunny won't be happy once he sees your lack of progress. :\

  • PlugMonkey #1126 6 years ago

    "Sony has probably alienated some people, but I bet it's a relatively small group (namely a small subsection of the hardcore gamers which itself is but a small subsection of the group that plays video games)."

    It's not a case of alienating people. Very few people care about this enough to be alienated. They're just absent from the market. Now the consumer has the choice of '360 now, or PS3 in 6 months'. If they're currently looking to upgrade their console what reason do they have to wait? Unless they have some sort of Sony 'allegiance', but I bet that's a relatively small group (namely a small subsection of the hardcore gamers which itself is but a small subsection of the group that plays video games).

  • Latinleader #1127 6 years ago

    "23" Call that a telly?"

    Ok maybe I'll get the 30" telly instead

  • Les #1128 6 years ago

    @ PlugMonkey

    I agree with you , but a consumer that wants a console right now has more options than just the 360. I can't argue with you that it sure won't be a PS3 they'll buy, but there's also PS2, GC, DS, PSP, Xbox (and in a few months the Wii) that are on the market. It's not as if every potential PS3 sale this xmas will now turn into a 360 sale.

  • EmiliasHorse #1129 6 years ago

    Fantastic thread. Will Sony take note? Doubt it as they just don't care about Europe one little bit. PlugMonkey is right, 360 is here right now offering the exact games your PS3 fan is waiting for. If you wish to wait for a PS3 fine, but are you cutting off your nose to spite your face?

  • ChocNut #1130 6 years ago

    I've a 360 now.

    Sony have messed with Europe for the last time.

    Cant wait to get home and play dead rising!!!

  • PlugMonkey #1131 6 years ago

    Les: No, not all, but it's by far the most comparable. I can't imagine that many people who see the PS2 or Xbox as a substitute are really in the market for a PS3 to begin with. Which I suppose is the real point here. I doubt many "casual" gamers are going to be seriously looking at the 360 or the PS3 for a year or two anyway. The next gen war hasn't even started yet. This is just a minor border skirmish.

  • zam786 #1132 6 years ago

    actually im intrested to see if they can even stick with the jap/us launch, funny if they move that back to march 2k7 also

  • Steroyd #1133 6 years ago

    Hang on doesn't this balance out the market in a way, MS is seliing so shite in Japan that you might as well consider MS only selling in US and EU markets. and for four months Sony will be selling in 2 regions also.

  • lambtron #1134 6 years ago

    Sweet lord is this still going on ^_^

  • Steroyd #1135 6 years ago

    yeah it'sslowed down ALOT since 2 days ago lol.

    i guess we'll have to take it 100 comments at a time.

  • mazzl #1136 6 years ago

    i just hope the wii won't be delayed, otherwhise there won't be any nice
    special 360 offers comming this holliday season ;)

    but i do wonder what this will do for lifespan, by the time europe has load's of ps3 it will be fall 2007 the 360 will already be almost 2 years old by then....
    will lifespan on the 360 be as short as the original xbox or will ms actually make a shitload off money this time.

  • Les #1137 6 years ago

    "actually im intrested to see if they can even stick with the jap/us launch, funny if they move that back to march 2k7 also"

    I can't imagine such a scenario will happen, unless something terrible happens with PS3 manufacturing. But if it does, 360 might even sell some units in Japan.

    "will lifespan on the 360 be as short as the original xbox or will ms actually make a shitload off money this time."

    I wouldn't be surprised if, just to frustrate Sony, MS launches the 720 a couple of years from now, in 2010 perhaps. Cutting the Xbox life cycle short didn't really seem to hurt them (although I’ve no clue whether 360 is selling better than the original Xbox during its first year). It surprised me that there were little outcries when 360 was announced so soon and furthermore all first-party effort for the original Xbox was dropped almost instantly. As we’ve all seen this week, there’s plenty to complain about with Sony but at least they don’t forget about you when the launch of a new console draws near (and I’m also looking at you, Nintendo).
    Edited by 1 at 08/09/06 @ 18:11

  • jienn #1138 6 years ago

    now i want ps3 even more!

  • Tomo #1139 6 years ago

    Been working all week and not looked on EG for a while... so I'm just adding my name to this historic thread.

    Tards, we salute you!

    /bugles

  • FooAtari #1140 6 years ago

    Les
    The trash talking argument is nonsense, MS is doing it the other way around just as much. The spring 2006 launch date was never promised (unlike the Nov. 17th European launch). Most of the stuff they removed from PS3 (dual HDMI and ethernet ports) are logical decisions (and as far as I'm aware, they never said those specs were the final ones). Maybe they shouldn't have shown them in the first place but hardly anyone is going to miss them (especially not the people that keep complaining Sony removed them). As for the video's, of course they weren't running on PS3 hardware, because it didn't excist back then. What they said was that they would give a good impression of the graphical capabilities of the PS3 (not limited to first generation PS3 software ofcourse). And as I myself haven't seen any real finished PS3 footage to date, I can't tell whether they lied or not. The fact is, we'll probably only know when PS4 is around the corner and developers have had the time to master PS3 (like with PS2). I wouldn't be surprised if 3rd or so generation PS3 games will be able to look as good as the Killzone demo graphically speaking (of course I don't believe all the extra cinematic additions will be possible in actual game play, not with next generation hardware).

    To me, there wasn't so much a difference in quality between Sony's E2005 and E2006 showings. It was the way how the press covered it and both times they were wrong. They overhyped Sony in 2005 and underhyped Microsoft by comparing apples and oranges (target footage with development code). In 2006 they gave Sony a way too hard time because the year before they screwed up.

    That sounds a bit fanboyish. Logical or not, fact is Sony have back tracked on many of their desicions, annoucments and promises.

    To me, it's a pretty simple case of, you shouldnt be able to treat your customer that way and still expect them to buy your product. And that's why I will not buy their product. Yes I'm a gamer, but I'm also a consumer and a person who doesnt like getting shafted. And basically, it's the principle of the matter. Don't treat me like a fool and give me a product that I want, is worth the money, and better than what the competitors offer and I will buy it. If you don't, I will go to someone who will. And's that what it comes down to.

    Also, while MS have given the Xbox a short life, technically this gen as been on the go since 1999 when the DC came out. New generations seem to start every 5 or 6 years, so this generation was a bit overdue really. However if MS were to bring out a new console in under fours years, they can kiss my ass too :). As for Nintedo, well the GC was released in 2001, five years ago, which is a reasonable life-span.

    Thing is, it's all in the best interest of the company. The PS2 continues to see well so Sony were in no rush to launch the PS3, if things had been the other way around, MS/Ninty would have done what Sony did, and Sony would be keen to launch the PS3.

    At the end of the day, Sony's current situation is their own doing.
    Edited by 1 at 08/09/06 @ 17:49

  • Les #1141 6 years ago

    @ FooAtari

    I don't consider myself as a Sony fanboy (don't like MS though, more of a principle: don't want to be a pawn in expanding their OS monopoly. Long live the GPL!). I just think the way in which E32005 and E32006 were covered was very poor. It's my opinion that video game journalism in general is of low quality, when you compare it with movies, music and books for example. Maybe it's because game journalism is still in its infancy, who knows.

    Sony made plenty of mistakes in preparation to the launch that's for sure. They were forced to end PS2's cycle sooner than they would have liked and seemingly had to rush things and we all know the results.

    But if to you it's all about the product, then wait till the launch and make up your mind once you can experience the real hardware and software. Up till now the PS3 is only promises, nothing more. I like what I know about it and if the important aspects for me prove to be true, I'll buy it. I know some specs were cut back from the initial showing back in 2005, but to be honest, those were not that important to me (I currently own 0 HDTV's and I didn't plan on creating a wired home network). If they were to you, you're right to feel disappointed (even though Sony never said it were the final specs, they painted a brighter picture).

    I'm terribly disappointed about the postponement of the European launch, that was a major screw-up. And I don't like the two configuration strategy, although at least they made sure you don't have to check the game specs to see if it will work on your PS3, as they didn't compromise on game-functionality. They made some smart-ass comments, so did MS (Nintendo in general has a more mature attitude in this aspect, which I value). They said the next-generation wouldn't start till they entered the market and they were right (look at the dirth of xbox 360 software in the last year, especially from 3rd parties, vs. what will be released this fall, although not in Europe... ;) ). They announced from the start that PS3 would be very expensive, certainly more expensive than past consoles, and they were right. I won't deny 600 euros is a lot of money, but if you count in inflation (too difficult for most people to understand apparently), the price increase versus the PS2 isn't that steep (although its big compared to their competitors).

    To summarise, I'm disappointed in Sony for cutting back on various announcements about a product still in development and I'm angry at them for postponing the European launch. But apart from making me have to wait, I really don't see how they've got me 'shafted'.

  • SlackMaster #1142 6 years ago

    This has been going on so long now I'm just not bothered at all about the PS3... It's over priced and over hyped and Sony haven't delivered on anything they have said about the PS3 yet.

    I agree with the comment earlier that the PS2 still has some cracking games to offer but when it comes to the next gen it's a very boring 'me to' console with a high asking price.

    I have the current gen consoles and a 360 and I'll get myself a Wii but I can't be arse with a PS3 atm and can quite happily live without one or wait a couple of years.
    Edited by 2 at 08/09/06 @ 18:18

  • GitSomE_UK #1143 6 years ago

    C'mon EG commenteers we can make it to the 1300... yah giddy up yah!

  • Barghest #1144 6 years ago

    At least we won't be used as the beta testers for this console...

  • Les #1145 6 years ago

    "This has been going on so long now I'm just not bothered at all about the PS3... It's over priced and over hyped and Sony haven't delivered on anything they have said about the PS3 yet."

    If this surprises you, I'm amazed you're able to type this post... (hint: now-only-USA-and Japan release date...) ;)

  • Les #1146 6 years ago

    It only occurs to me now (please cut me some slack, as it's week-end) but it could be that Konami and EA knew about this before the announcement on Wednesday...

  • manic_mouse #1147 6 years ago

    Les: "The trash talking argument is nonsense, MS is doing it the other way around just as much."

    Indeed, and I didn't say there was anything wrong with them having little pops at each other (although it is a little childish) or that they weren't equally guilty of it. My point, which you seem to have missed, was that many of the things Sony had a go at MS over they themselves then turned around and did. Which is why they now have egg on their faces.

    I mean, I would love for an interviewer to play back to him what Phil said about the 360 dual SKU thing being confusing for the customer and a really bad idea. Or ask him, if 720p is so rubbish as they banged on last year, how many PS3 games are 1080p. Or whether their worldwide launch "showed MS how it was done".

    Les: "Most of the stuff they removed from PS3 (dual HDMI and ethernet ports) are logical decisions (and as far as I'm aware, they never said those specs were the final ones)."

    If it was logical not to have them, then why were they in the PS3 in the first place? Why did Sony spend 10 minutes in their E3 2005 conference banging on about how amazing dual 1080p displays would be (with examples)?

    Sony claimed the PS3 would do that, and other things. It doesn't. Why defend them? If those weren't the final specs, and the final PS3 may not have had such abilities then they shouldn't have shown them off.

    Les: "As for the video's, of course they weren't running on PS3 hardware, because it didn't excist back then. What they said was that they would give a good impression of the graphical capabilities of the PS3 (not limited to first generation PS3 software ofcourse)."

    Again, you missed the point. Sony were trying to pass those videos off as running on PS3 hardware. They didn't, anywhere, say that they were just CG. Many of them, especially Killzone and Motorstorm, were even rendered to make it look like someone was playing it. In fact SCEA's Vice President, Jack Tretton, is on record as saying that Killzone was "definitely real" and "is real gameplay". [link url=http://uk.media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748475/vids_1.html
    ]http://uk .media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/74...[/link]

    Ironically he also says in that interview that Sony's policy is to "underpromise and overdeliver".

    Sony have come out with a lot of rubbish regarding the PS3, have fluffed up repeatedly and treat their consumers with general contempt. So I don't see how anyone can say they don't deserve the treatment they're recieving from gamers and the gaming press. You reap what you sow.

    (Disclaimer: I do not think, nor have I said, that the PS3 will be a bad console. All criticism is aimed at Sony's attitude and claims about the console.)

    EDITs: Trying to get that link to work, typos and clarifications. Most edited post ever? I hope so.
    Edited by 11 at 08/09/06 @ 19:56

  • Les #1148 6 years ago

    "Also, while MS have given the Xbox a short life, technically this gen as been on the go since 1999 when the DC came out."

    Didn't notice it till now, but come on, FooAtari, you can do better than this! ;)

    seems like I'm the sole poster/idiot keeping this thread alive...

  • FooAtari #1149 6 years ago

    Couldnt have said it much better myself Manic_mouse. Seem Les over looked much of my points....

    Go back and read it again. Pick up on my points of failed promises, not final spec my ass, that was what the PS3 was going to be according to Sony. All were features of the new console.

    My main point was, a corporate company not being deserved of my money with how they treat their customers and their attitude in general. They have already failed to deliver, and they sure as hell are not getting £400+ from me, regardless of what we end up with, but I have seen the games, I have seen the controller (again!) I know what to expect.

    Again, MS launching a new console has nothing to do with Sony's cock ups, everything Manic-mouse said was sonys OWN fault.

    And the DC was next gen, failed as it did, it was still the start of a new generation of consoles. PS, N64, Saturn etc etc, PS2, GC, DC, Xbox.

    "underpromise and over deliver" what a quality quote from Phil.
    Edited by 2 at 08/09/06 @ 19:54

  • Les #1150 6 years ago

    Than god you are still there manic_mouse ;)

    Ok, lets start:

    “I mean, I would love for an interviewer to play back to him what Phil said about the 360 dual SKU thing being confusing for the customer and a really bad idea.”

    It was and still is (like I said) but at least the cut-backs on the low-spec version have no impact on gameplay, meaning there’s no difference in developing for the two versions. They will always run on both machines. Developers can’t however, count on a HD sitting in a 360, so again, while I still think it a bad idea, at least it doesn’t hurt the high-spec buyer.

    “If it was logical not to have them, then why were they in the PS3 in the first place? Why did Sony spend 10 minutes in their E3 2005 conference banging on about how amazing dual 1080p displays would be (with examples)?”

    Showing off. And you cut-off my remark of them painting too bright a picture. Please be more careful when quoting somebody.

    “Again, you missed the point. Sony were trying to pass those videos off as running on PS3 hardware.”

    No they weren’t. They said time and again, like true marketeers or lawyers, that it represented what PS3 games would look like (and in that sense was ‘real’). It’s a clever play with words, they didn’t, however, say that the footage ran on actual PS3 hardware. Would be impossible because there was no hardware at the time. You might still say this is misleading (and unfortunately common practice in any industry), but it’s not lying. You can hardly present a to-be product with a bunch of black screens.

    It might very well be the case that Sony will not achieve the graphical quality of the Killzone video and it’ll be at least a couple of years before we know. If you buy a PS3 just because of that footage, to me you are an idiot. I only believe it when I see it, but that goes two ways. However, for the fun of it take another look at the video and then at Gears of War, and all of a sudden what looked unreachable in May 2005 is quite close now. But by the time of PS4 we’ll probably having the “human head”-video discussion once again… Memories aren’t always to be trusted.

  • FooAtari #1151 6 years ago

    Lets just look at a few quotes from Ken

    “The PS3 is not a game machine" - Nope, it's a platform to sell Blu Ray

    “Microsoft shoots for the moon. Sony shoots for the sun.” Classic, almost as good as Phils Quote

    PS3 is “for consumers to think to themselves ‘I will work more hours to buy one’. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else.” - What was I saying about trating your customers with some respect. Or the arrogance thing...

    “Microsoft is trailing behind us, but they are not a threat. They are good at improving [on products], but we will be advancing to the next level with revolutionary technology.” What with Blu-Ray, or is that your online service? Cant think where I have seen that before.

    “The PS3 will instill discipline in our children and adults alike. Everyone will know discipline.” - WTF???

    Wont a whole lote more? Check them out here...
    [link url=http://www.ps3today.com/Blogs/JournalBlogView/hqs/ blr_129.aspx
    ]http://ww w.ps3today.com/Blogs/JournalBlo...[/link]

    But, one more

    “Microsoft is trailing behind us, but they are not a threat. They are good at improving [on products], but we will be advancing to the next level with revolutionary technology.”

    Lets take a quick look...

    CD drive: Philips
    Analogue: Atari, made popular by Nintendo
    HD: Dreamcast
    Camera: Dreamcast
    Online(integrated): Dreamcast, but the PS3's online is a duplicate of Xbox Live
    Wireless controllers as standard: Microsoft
    Tilt-sensing controllers: Microsoft
    Depth-sensing controllers: Nintendo
    Multi-tap: Sega
    (credit to Zomoniac)

    Yup, sure did some revolutionary stuff Sony....

    The arrogance (then making the same mistakes), the bullshit, just a couple of reasons why they don't deserve my cash.

    As for the HD on the 360, I belive the primary reason is for Live and downloading content. But, and maybe I'm wrong here, I belive the cheaper PS3 and no HDMI port? Kind of hurts the gamer. But maybe that was a rumor that was incoorec.

    A dev should never rely on the HD, becusae there may not be sufficent space on the Hard-drive, which can't be fixed as easily as buying a new Memory Card.
    Edited by 2 at 08/09/06 @ 20:12

  • Les #1152 6 years ago

    @ FooAtari

    So if Xbox had been released in 2003, the generation it was in would have ended 2005/2006, so they could have still come up with a new console in 2005, because then the next generation would start? That's just lame. Whichever way you look at it, the only console with a shorter life span in the past gen was the DC.

    You've haven't seen finished games running on PS3s because there aren't finished PS3 games yet. Controllers by the way aren't to be looked at but to be used. Devil is in the details, if they finally improve those analogue sticks... Keep my fingers crossed.

    I can't argue with you about having a problem with Sony's attitude, that's up to you. I tend to look past the marketing bullshit of the PR guys and not let that get in my way. If I did, there wouldn't be much products to buy I'm afraid (although I can't think of any industry in which mud slinging is as prolific as it is in the video game industry).

    edit: that last post of yours is pathetic. I don't have time to respond to all the bull you put in there.
    Edited by 1 at 08/09/06 @ 20:13

  • FooAtari #1153 6 years ago

    Painting to bright a picture? Thats utter crap. These were supposed the be PS3 features. They either intended them to be there, or blatantly lied to generate hype.

    I can't think of any company that operates the way Sony does with the PS3. It wasnt a concept, or proto-type or something that might be sold once day, it was unvelining of the console. They only thing which they said wasnt determined was the physical look of the console, and the controler (after much negative feedback)

    "So if Xbox had been released in 2003, the generation it was in would have ended 2005/2006,"

    I guess it ends when the first next gen console appears, although there is always an overlap of a year or so. But I wouldnt be buying the 360 if I had bought a console that wasnt launched in 2003, it would not be ok. But it wasnt like that, it had a four life span. do you really think Sony wouldnt have done the same in MS's position???

  • SeesThroughAll #1154 6 years ago

    lavalant, the PS3 is going to have good titles which are not 360 ports.

  • FooAtari #1155 6 years ago

    I'm sure it will have soom good SeesThroughAll, eventually, but for what, £60 I belive is the cost Sony have spoken about (maybe wrong?)

    The 360 has good games as well. Dead Rising, TDU, PGR 3, Call of duty 2, Saints Row to name a few. None of them ground breaking I agree, but a solid line up. But the PS3 will be just as bad, every cosnole, for the first year or so, gets mostly me too games and sequels. Although I'm not against either of these if they are still good games and worthy sequels. I want new stuff as well though, and as example TDU brings a new twsit to the driving formula.


    I think half the problem with the 360 is the price of the game. For some gamers, £50 is to much (not that I have paid that) and to your average joe, they wont be able to understand the price difference, or want to pay such a high price.

    Les, I was a bit off with PART of my reasoning on the next gen argument (although DC, was still a next gen console). But I still think that the 360 was not early to market, looking at average generation cycles, the next was due, and the Xbox had a good run, stopping just a little short of the 5 year mark.

  • miiiguel #1156 6 years ago

    I placed a few bets with a lot of people here, that were saying they would be playing a PS3 this Christmas...

    Anyways, this whole system-wars is ruined, as 360 users are playing with the machine for more than a year.

    I still sense there will be more "news" from Sony.

  • Hughes. #1157 6 years ago

    I can't believe people are still peddling this £500 horse-shit, in utter ignorance of every source of information that isn't from a mentally stunted trolling shit-wit.

    And as for Sony announcing £60 a game? maybe wrong? MAYBE? Where did you get that? That link to to the Freemans website where a ONE GAME BUNDLE with Motorstorm cost £609?

    If you believe their £60 a game prediction matches reality, then you must believe Motorstorm is an amazing game for them to ask £184 over and above the console price for it.

    Amazon and Play both have undiscounted pre-order prices (and they always show the discount if there is one, to show why it's better to buy from them than from shops) of £49.99 on PS3 games.

  • FooAtari #1158 6 years ago

    Ok, perhaps I'm off the mark with the game prices. But the fact that Play and Amazon are not showing the discounts doesnt mean a whole lot. It could mean they are not sure what the RRP will be? They will either stay at £49.99 then showing a discount, or drop to £39.99

    I did say I wasn't sure. £50 is still to much though :)

    But, they are also showing Wii games at £50, despite Iwata saying they wont cost more than current gen games. I think online retailers just dont know exactly what the price point will be, so are playing it safe for the moment. There is no way PS3 will have games with an RRP for more than £59.99 anyway.
    Play etc wont charge for games before despatch anyway, by which time they will know the price, so they are not going to loose out on anything if the RRP is £49.99 and they can then drop prices to £39.99.
    Edited by 1 at 08/09/06 @ 23:42

  • Galvanizer #1159 6 years ago

    Well my money is now going to Wii.

  • chupachups #1160 6 years ago

    "Amazon and Play both have undiscounted pre-order prices (and they always show the discount if there is one, to show why it's better to buy from them than from shops) of £49.99 on PS3 games."

    Prices at game shops mean nothing, they just guess what the prices will be whether they have any reliable information or not.

    The only way we'll know the prices of PS3 games in the UK is to wait until they get released in the UK.

  • Rambaldi #1161 6 years ago

    LAST!

  • sport #1162 6 years ago

    LASTER!

  • numptyboymatt #1163 6 years ago

    Play's order system works in such a way that if you pre-order and the price goes up, you get it at the price it was at when you pre-ordered it, so it you pre-order them now, you get them for £49.99, even if they do end up costing £60+ or whatever.

    RE: the whole European delay thing - I dont really care. I had saved money to purchase a PS3, but if they are going to fanny around like this, then frankly, I dont want one - if they treat you like this BEFORE you buy it (baring in mind that this is the period during which they are supposed to be enticing you to purchase the thing) what kind of treatment are we likely to receive AFTER it's been released and they already have our money?

    I for one, will not be buying one - I have a PS1, and a PS2 but PS3 is a no-no for me now. Just my opinion, dont care what lame-ass remark Les will make about my post either as I have him on iggy.

    Hooray!

  • 2099net #1164 6 years ago

    The trash talking argument is nonsense, MS is doing it the other way around just as much. The spring 2006 launch date was never promised (unlike the Nov. 17th European launch). Most of the stuff they removed from PS3 (dual HDMI and ethernet ports) are logical decisions (and as far as I'm aware, they never said those specs were the final ones). Maybe they shouldn't have shown them in the first place but hardly anyone is going to miss them (especially not the people that keep complaining Sony removed them). As for the video's, of course they weren't running on PS3 hardware, because it didn't excist back then. What they said was that they would give a good impression of the graphical capabilities of the PS3 (not limited to first generation PS3 software ofcourse). And as I myself haven't seen any real finished PS3 footage to date, I can't tell whether they lied or not. The fact is, we'll probably only know when PS4 is around the corner and developers have had the time to master PS3 (like with PS2). I wouldn't be surprised if 3rd or so generation PS3 games will be able to look as good as the Killzone demo graphically speaking (of course I don't believe all the extra cinematic additions will be possible in actual game play, not with next generation hardware).

    The Spring launch was promised - they said "Coming Spring 2006". That's a statement. They even said it in Spring 2006, when everyone with more than 2 braincells knew they couldn't make a Spring launch. Then, at E3 they said worldwide November. There was some doubt about the territory for the spring launch (most likely Japan only) but it was promised - until late-March(?) by Sony's PR, and was infact printed in various Sony corporate documents distributed to shareholders. You don't put deliberate falsehoods in shareholders documents - that's fraud. So I can only assume Sony did intend to launch (in Japan only?) this past Spring. But failed.

    As for the downgrading of the ports - its 100% relevant. In a classic Sony marketing move, Sony presented the PS3 as a superior alternative to the 360 with the intention of retarding 360 sales. Remember how they said you could run two Hi-Def screens from one machine? The fact that people were unlikely to do this means nothing, beacuse it gives the implicit suggestion that the PS3 (with the power of Cell®) is so 'king powerful, it can display and draw TWO screens at once. Of course, we now know developers are having problems drawing one screen in Hi-Def, let alone two. They knew the number of ports, plus what was on the face of it a simple statement about two screens would whip the gaming community into a frenzy. People didn't care about connection two screens, all they cared about was the (imaginary) power of the console.

    As for videos, well I seem to remember at the same E3, MS was constently slammed for having jerky, slowdown infested games to play, even though they were on unfinalised development kits, and the software itself was obviously unfinished. Personally, I would have thought the press would have been all over MS for giving them exclusive "actual" previews, rather than CGI movies. Also, at that time, wasn't the PS3 graphics to be powered entirely by the 'Power of Cell®'? So much for that idea, they've had to bung a graphics processor into the console, and they still can't get footage matching the "indicative video footage".

    *sigh* Looks always beat out on content. Sony knows this.
    Edited by 2 at 09/09/06 @ 11:22

  • Hench #1165 6 years ago

    lol, too much to read.

  • Santino #1166 6 years ago

    erm...last?

  • FooAtari #1167 6 years ago

    Well said 2099. That is some of the points I have been trying to make.

    numptyboymatt, if the games remian at £49.99 online, that would indicate they will be £60 in the shops. But I don't think any retailers have firm information with regards to game prices.

  • manic_mouse #1168 6 years ago

    Les: It was and still is (like I said) but at least the cut-backs on the low-spec version have no impact on gameplay, meaning there’s no difference in developing for the two versions. They will always run on both machines. Developers can’t however, count on a HD sitting in a 360, so again, while I still think it a bad idea, at least it doesn’t hurt the high-spec buyer.

    Les, why do you continually miss my points? Why do you keep comparing the PS3 to the 360 when I am comparing the actual PS3 to what Sony said the PS3 would be.

    Sony said they would not release dual SKUs. They had a go at their opposition over it. Then they turned around and did it. That is my point, and you banging on about 360 dual SKU system is entirely irrelevant. It has nothing to do with what I was trying to say, which is that Sony have shaken consumer confidence in them with all the lies, half-truths, broken promises and U-turns in the development of the PS3. This has NOTHING to do with the 360 yet you seem intent on dragging it into this and completely missing my point in favour of playing "lets compare systems".

    My original position was that someone was saying people should, in effect, give Sony a break. They deserve the lambasting their getting in the press and from gamers because they brought it down on their own heads.

    Les: "Showing off. And you cut-off my remark of them painting too bright a picture. Please be more careful when quoting somebody."

    So then why are you trying to disagree with me, when you apparently now agree that all that stuff was garbage to draw attention away from the 360 and that it should never have been shown?

    Les: "No they weren’t. They said time and again, like true marketeers or lawyers, that it represented what PS3 games would look like (and in that sense was ‘real’). It’s a clever play with words, they didn’t, however, say that the footage ran on actual PS3 hardware. Would be impossible because there was no hardware at the time. You might still say this is misleading (and unfortunately common practice in any industry), but it’s not lying."

    Stop repeating this ad nauseum. It doesn't make it true. Some of the trailers were running in real-time (the bad looking ones like GT HD and I-8) but they were interspliced with pre-rendered footage that was purposely designed to look like gameplay. It is quite clear Sony were trying to mislead people and in a lot of cases it worked. Heck, remember the EG headline "The REAL next-gen"?

    I even had a quote and invterview link in my previous post from a Sony exec saying that Killzone was real-time and actual gameplay. Yet you happily ignored that and go on to say Sony never said it was real.

    And do the final games look like they were meant to? We don't know about Killzone, but Motorstorm certainly doesn't even look remotely close to the "indicative" footage.

    Just because the final hardware wasn't ready doesn't mean you can't have playable code. In fact one game, I-8 (now known as Resistance: Fall of Man), was quite happily running in real-time on dev kits. As was GT HD and MGS4 I believe.
    Edited by 5 at 09/09/06 @ 15:48

  • captainrentboy #1169 6 years ago

    The next person to post on here likes to have sex with their own mother.....''Tee hee hee''
    God i'm bored.

  • miiiguel #1170 6 years ago

    Gosh..., you're indulging Sony for pushing games at "only" 50 quid/75 Eur.!!! Man, someday you're going to say that Sony suits, are allowed to administer your wages 'cos they're ao altruist, so friendly...!
    Edited by 1 at 09/09/06 @ 16:04

  • Ryan121 #1171 6 years ago

    Sony is just a complete joke now!

    Most people just aren't prepared to wait anymore...

  • Les #1172 6 years ago

    "Why do you keep comparing the PS3 to the 360 when I am comparing the actual PS3 to what Sony said the PS3 would be."

    What's the point in comparing the final spec PS3 with the non-final spec PS3?! That's a theoretical discussion and worthless. I 100% agree with you that what will be released come March does not have the same specs as what was presented at E3 2005. If for you the fact that Sony removed some parts is to terrible that you don't want a PS3, that's fine. It's your decision.

    But if you please tried to read what I wrote, you wouldn't have to post replies that for 99.9% agree with what I said, only you can't comprehend it. EG's coverage of E3 2005 was terrible, as I've said time and again. They also knew hardware specs weren't finalised and the trailers were for the most part target renders. Comparing non-finalised 360 stuff with the PS3 footage as they did is comparing apples and oranges and the "real next gen" headline was rubbish (like most EG headlines for that matter).

    But for your information, E3 is (was) a marketing event. Of course the companies try to outdo each other and draw all the attention to themselves. Those companies try to sell me something, so I tend to treat everything what's said there with a grain of salt. I believe a game or system to be good once I've read reviews of the finished product from various sources so that I can form my own opinion. Before that point I couldn't care less what kind of PR nonsense companies blurt out. Unfortunately we live in such a world, but it must be working otherwise they would stop spending those ridiculous amounts instantly.

  • FooAtari #1173 6 years ago

    Les

    "you wouldn't have to post replies that for 99.9% agree with what I said, only you can't comprehend it. EG's coverage of E3 2005 was terrible,"

    You assume we only use EG for E3 coverage. I, for one, use EG, Joystiq and Gamespot to follow E3 to name just three sites.

    But you seeminly continue to not acknowlege the facts pointed out to you, so I guess I'm wasting my breath...

    I don't really care what format someone chooses. But it annoys me when people post what is at the end of the day untrue, or ignore the facts.

    Sony unveild the PS3 and lied about it. They did not say the specs were not finalised. It was stated by the Killzone developers that the Killzone demo was DEFINTELY running on a PS3 development kit. When it later transpired it was not even real-time on any hardware but CGI. That's just two examples of what has been one cock up after another for Sony. This has nothing to do with EG's coverage of E3, but simply what actually happened as covered by many games sites. If E3 is for marketing, then that is false advertising.

    But hey, if that's OK with you, then that's fine.

    Sony knowingly raised gamers expectations to generate as much hype , and have slowly backed down on many of the claims made (I do not remeber any other games hardware failing to deliver on what was promised to the extent Sony have).

    It was originally due to launch in March this year, yet will not appear until Novemeber, how could they possibly get it that wrong? Simple, it's probably the earliest date they thought they could get away with that people would believe, and persude possible 360 owners to wait. I believe they knew all along that the PS3 would not be hitting the shelves then. Why do I belive that? Because of knowing of other false claims made by Sony and a number of mistakes reducing my confidance in them as a company.

    If you are happy to reward them for the race that has been PS3, well that is of course your choice. But I wont be taken for a mug by anyone. The only way to stop someone adopting a similar strategy in the future, is to not buy into it now.

  • Xerx3s #1174 6 years ago

    It only occurs to me now (please cut me some slack, as it's week-end) but it could be that Konami and EA knew about this before the announcement on Wednesday...

    One of my first thoughts. If anyone, they would be the first to be informed.

    Lastested! (;P)

  • projectmayhem #1175 6 years ago

    holy christ the fanboyism here is stinking up the internet.

    calm down lads, we all knew it would happen.

    don't want a ps3? off you go with your xbox then. want one? the wait will get you hyped up beyond belief.

    there was lots of trash talking before PSP and it's sold bucketloads in europe regardless of the 9 month delay. get over yourselves.

  • zoidberg #1176 6 years ago

    will anyone really read this whole sausage of a thread?

    big ups to Sony for having its products at the peak of fanboy culture.

  • bauhaus #1177 6 years ago

    U lot still here?

    C'mon gentlemen, time please, can I have your glasses PLEASE, havent you got homes to got too.
    Edited by 1 at 09/09/06 @ 21:09

  • FooAtari #1178 6 years ago

    projectmayhem - Nothing to do with fanboysim from me.

    I own a PS and a PS2 along with around 8 other consoles. One more time, it's about the PS3 being a farce.

    No other company has consistently promised so much and delivered so short of the mark, its disgusting that it is their actual marketting strategy.

    I just can't belive Sony can screw up in just about every area, yet people are still willing to hand their cash over...

  • Santino #1179 6 years ago

    wow reached 1300 posts! i've a feeling there is a bit more to come too lol

  • morriss #1180 6 years ago

    NOpe. It says 1300 on the front page but....

  • morriss #1181 6 years ago

    ...2 people deleted their posts so 'this' is no. 1300. :)

  • Santino #1182 6 years ago

    haha oh well, 1301!!!!

  • Azazel #1183 6 years ago

    lol, way to stress test the comments system

  • Xerx3s #1184 6 years ago

    Z0MG! Disc, you mindless raving fanboy! ;p

  • n3rdh8r #1185 6 years ago

    Arrogant bastards!

    Europe will make you pay!

  • Xerx3s #1186 6 years ago

    Ehhh, we will?

  • kissthestick #1187 6 years ago

    meh, i'll stick with buying tons of DS/PS2 games this xmas :D

  • bauhaus #1188 6 years ago



    This thread must stop on post 1337

  • BLACKSHEEP #1189 6 years ago

    Doesn't bother me! I'm skink till around March '07 ;)

    Besides when has any Playstation been worth getting at launch???

    ......wait a min, how many posts /0\
    Edited by 1 at 10/09/06 @ 17:27

  • Tayl #1190 6 years ago

    AdamOfEternia-"they get more n more shit every single time. "

    An unintentional, yet unerringly accurate description of what it's been like having to read your posts in this thread. Congrats.

  • GitSomE_UK #1191 6 years ago

    Broke 1300 and I'm last! \o/

  • AusFreelancer #1192 6 years ago

    Oh no your not!!!!!!!!
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/06 @ 04:27

  • Xerx3s #1193 6 years ago

    The PS1 was t3h real next gen?

    Obviously it was more powerfull than the 64bit systems out there with it's superior graphics. I mean, what other system could realtime misform the polygon's as you moved?

  • lotteryman82 #1194 6 years ago

    there was nothing like PS1 back then
    i don't wanna touch the phrase ps2 underpowered over DC, DC died and died bad respect to the dead
    and as unreleased console PS3 gives us squat to actually know something
    and i believe that about 1000/1300+ of you will buy it sooner or later so give it a rest

    if sony manages a free online enviroment
    and if those four months are under the pressure of competition which will lower the price and giving devs 3 additional months for games i can't see that big harm if you are a FUCKING GAMER for crying out loud and not BLOODY FANBOY

    if it really were so much affected by unfullfilled promises and lies well its called marketing and everyone does it others in aggressive manner others more on low profile stop acting as if you never seen something of this sort unless born yesterday and news flash you don't have to buy it so quit moaning about it

    and if you want to be something Sad about and curse its the fact at some point you ll be forced to see the SEGA logo on Your Nintendo console and seeing Sonic run everywhere except a sega machine thats Sad for the love of good old times....
    to survive this market you have to sell bull and some point give out flowers
    it will happen as it was with PSone and PS2.

    and no matter how much you dislike Sony i think in terms of games Sony did a good job at providing games and keeping its consoles going all i want is that to keep up and don't have to believe any bull they say+i could always buy something else its THAT EASY
    no i don't have money to spare but since i m willing to move to next gen i ll need to pay if i don't i m happy with a Wii

  • MyPointIs #1195 6 years ago

    I hadn't contributed to this thread yet, so I had to.

    This delay, like other small setbacks, will impact to some degree the future PS3 market. But we can't know how much. If Sony wants to fight this Wii/360 X-mas it can only do one thing. Get the PS2 to £49 with a pack of 10 free games :)

    Well ... maybe not that cheap. But the deal will have to be really good. And Sony won't do it. Because they don't want to damage the future PS2 market, as there's still a lot money (they think) in there too. Silly greedy bastards.
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/06 @ 08:35

  • lotteryman82 #1196 6 years ago

    no i didn't forget about saturn the thing is more likely where saturn reached
    i can't forget panzer dragoon as my first experience in polygonal form the thing is that sega as a good history of failed consoles can't really comment all of them and at the end there wasn't anything like ps1 for its generation if you prefer it that way

    RIP
    sega CD short lived
    sega 32x undersupported
    sega Nomad didn't even reach my country
    sega Saturn couldn't touch looks of Tekken 3
    sega DC couldnt reach the peak of ps2 games after 2004

    if you ask me though its games and for that NES and SNES Rocked the world
    and its a shame Nin did't keep up with it tried but not as succesfully as i hoped
    Sony got the message and went on till recently and we will see about PS3
    MS tested us with an XBOX that was underpowered for its time of release
    but sufficed coz it won a bit over the spec sheets of ps2
    people aren't as forgiving now coz thats about to happen but the other way around
    the only thing i dislike in microsoft is that she killed off XBOX within 3 years
    and thats sth you should consider in terms of money coz sony gets you pay 1000e
    within 7 years for both consoles and will keep supporting ps2 till 08+ and MS gets you 800 within 3years and kills one console instantly...worse than tenchu just to remind that MS aren't the saints in the story that think and care for our pockets

    one last thing...i m not really a fanboy but all these anti sony comments throughout this thread kinda made me sick and had to say something about it




    Edited by 2 at 11/09/06 @ 08:54

  • JDub #1197 6 years ago

    \o/ Last!!!

    ;)

  • #1198 6 years ago

    No, I'm last! \o/

  • JonFE #1199 6 years ago

    Did you enjoy it, while it lasted, Mapster???

    :{)
    Edited by 1 at 11/09/06 @ 14:18

  • HoriZon #1200 6 years ago

    My life as i knew it has ended! ;/

  • #1201 6 years ago

    There can be only one! o_O

  • PlugMonkey #1202 6 years ago

    I have something to say:

    It's better to burn out, than to fade away!

  • #1203 6 years ago

    The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

  • Carrybagma #1204 6 years ago



    Woah!

  • JDub #1205 6 years ago

    \o/ ftw!

  • #1206 5 years ago

    That's a nice surprise-o-meter you have there Carrybagma ;)

  • Carrybagma #1207 5 years ago

    Ummm. Yeah. :o]

    I should point out that I was pointing at it at the thread, rather than, umm.., the previous poster...

    :o)

    PS. Not sure what sort of licence I got for it from Reality_Cheque, but you can have a go if you like. Not sure if the forums might be too much for it..

  • 786Beast #1208 5 years ago

    You lot which think sonys going diown have got f*cking problems, my local store has 180 names already lined up just to be told when the ps3 is available for PRE-ORDER!

    I might get a xbox360 just to kill time, nothing wrong with a PS360 combo

  • bungalooBunny #1209 5 years ago

    No one in their right minds would think Sony is going down but it's hard to believe they will achieve the same success as they did with the PS2. Probably they will have to settle with %33 of the market.

    Hmmm.... 4 more posts to achieve 1337! :)

  • Hughes. #1210 5 years ago

    3

    Man! Herod got the 1337 post and didn't even mention it!

    Okay, nobody else post, or we'll have to start deleting stuff.
    Edited by 1 at 14/09/06 @ 14:14

  • PlugMonkey #1211 5 years ago

    2.

    Nobody thinks Sony are 'going down', but they've not exactly been quick out of the blocks this time either...

    In fact, can anybody think of anything they've done in the last 12 months that hasn't lost them ground on their competitors?

  • mungolikebeans #1212 5 years ago

    don't see what all the fuss is about. PS2 still has at least 6 months of life left (Okami and God of War 2...etc). The 360 is an ugly, horribly plasticky machine with no great games for it. In fact by the time march comes round i bet some of the launch titles for PS3 will be better than anything the 360 has to offer...... The wii looks great and most 360/PS3 owners will probably get one regardless of delay issues - just for novelty value.

    I'd rather wait for the PS3 than have them rush it out XBOX style just because consumers think they have a divine right to it....... it's only 6 months......it'll be here before you know it.

  • #1213 5 years ago

    Will this thread have competition in a half hour?

    I doubt it, I don't think it can ever be topped.

    mungolikebeans your comment about the 360 not having any great games doesn't seem to wash, especially as I'm currently playing Dead Rising and Test Drive Unlimited. I've been playing games for 20 years and those are examples of games that are great fun to play.

    Still, it's your opinion and I'm not going to hang you for it.

  • tingletanglebob #1214 5 years ago

    Sony are screwing over europe big time whats the point in supporting them when they dont seem to care much about europe, theres going to be two great new consoles available by christmas might aswell just get one of them or both would still be cheaper. Now 360 is moving into its second generation games they are starting to look ridicolously good its outperforming my pc at the moment visually so there pretty good options and the wii will be great fun.

  • fats #1215 5 years ago

    http://www.ps3insider.tk

  • Arminas357 #1216 5 years ago

    im from lithuania and thats in europe my relitives will freakin be pissed over this if europe cant have it nobody cant

  • Krun #1217 5 years ago

    Sony Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

  • #1218 5 years ago

    So now the mighty Nintendo have announced a similar worldwide lauch to what MS did last year with the 360. Except they are promising plenty of machines, more than enough to go around.

    So, MS did a worldwide launch (poorly if truth be told, though I did get a 360 on launch day by phoning up the day before), Ninty 'claim' they can do it, yet the all conquering and mighty Sony have bent Europe over, taken down their pants and shafted them until there is more blood than poo.

    Does that not wind up you Sony fanboys something rotten? I bet it does, I bet you can't wait to reply to this telling us all how it's a move of genius by a corporation who know exactly what they are doing. And when we see the new killzone, then us doubters will be the one's crying in our soup.

    *this post is designed to inflame and I carry no responsibility for folks reactions*

  • Lex_Luthor #1219 5 years ago

    Ooooh... poor show Mapster. That's a twat post if I ever I read one :)

    No wonder you made the top of J*C's list, am I right? ;)
    Edited by 1 at 18/09/06 @ 22:57

  • mike_mgoblue #1220 5 years ago

    Lotteryman82,

    The original Xbox is FAR more powerful than the Playstation 2. Let's just look at a game like Soul Caliber 2 to compare specifications:

    1. Xbox uses 8MB textures, but Playstation 2 only uses 4MB textures...it is like that on every game, because that is the way both systems are designed--Xbox simply has higher quality textures than the Playstation 2. This was very obvious on Sould Caliber 2.

    2. Xbox was capable of anti-aliasing, which eliminates jagged edges in video games. Playstation 2 had jagged edges so bad in its games that Tekken Tag Tournament was called Tekken Jag Tournament. Soul Caliber 2 looked much better on the Xbox than the Playstation 2.

    3. Xbox is capable of four times as many polygons as the Playstation 2. Sadly, the Playstation 2 sold more systems than the Xbox, which is why every third party game had to be developed with the PS2 in mind, rather than the Xbox. EA Sports games used a very similar number of polygons on the PS2 and the Xbox. This pushed the PS2 to its limit, but only used a fraction of the power of the Xbox. This is the reason why the polygon count was the same, but the resolution of the PS2 version would be 480p, while many of those EA Sports games would be 720p on the Xbox. Soul Caliber 2 was one of those games that ended up not being able to use all of the Xbox polygons available, thanks to the game also being developed for the Playstation 2. Thankfully, the Xbox version used a resolution of 720p rather than 480p, like the Playstation 2 version.

    4. The Xbox is capable of true 5.1 digital sound. The Playstation 2 and the Wii are NOT capable of true 5.1 digital sound. The Xbox was a POWERHOUSE in the era it was released in. I have heard developers say that they thought the Xbox was actually in a different generation than the PS2, Gamecube, and Dreamcast. The proof of this is the fact that the five-year old Xbox is STILL more powerful than the Wii, and the Wii hasn't even been released yet!!!

    5. Microsoft used all of the original Xbox engineers, and bought in MANY more to design the Xbox 360, and that is why legendary game developers like John Carmack say that the Xbox 360 is the best game development environment every created.

    6. The Xbox 360 Graphics Processing Unit uses brand new Unified Shader technology that DirectX 10 and Windows Vista use! Xbox 360 uses the same form of Unified Shader technology that has not yet been released in PC graphics cards, and it won't be released until Windows Vista is released in 2007!!! The Playstation 3 Graphics Processing Unit is STILL using outdated four-year old technology from Nvidia.

    7. The Xbox 360 uses a new form of Unified RAM that is revolutionary! The Playstation 3 uses the same old outdated RAM that is not unified. Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 both have 512MB of total RAM, but the Playstation 3 can never use more than 256MB for Video RAM, because the Playstation 3 uses non-unified RAM...that is the technical limit that has been set for the Playstation 3. The Xbox 360 can use up to 512MB of its Unified RAM for Video RAM if there was a need. The Playstation 3 will NEVER being using all 512MB of available RAM at the same time. The Xbox 360 RAM will almost always be running at a 100% level of optimization for RAM usage...all because it uses the new Unified RAM technology.

    8. Xbox 360 is capable of displaying 500,000,000 polygons per second. The Playstation 3 can only display 275,000,000 polygons per second!!! The polygon capabilities of the Xbox 360 are FAR more advanced than the Playstation 3.

    NUFF SAID...if these facts haven't convinced you, nothing will. Well, I suppose I could mention that the Xbox 360 has a MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE software lineup!!! Games matter the most, and the Xbox 360 has the best games, too.

  • #1221 5 years ago

    Lex it's not a trollish post, it's a deliberate wind up post. I doubt anyone will take the bait though, I'm just trying to keep the discussion ongoing :)

  • Zeeca #1222 5 years ago

    No ploblem!
    I import PS3 from Japan.
    The order can have been done here.
    http://ww w.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-3cg5...

  • The12thMonkey #1223 5 years ago

    At the risk of a necropost, lol at the comment above, in the light of recent import events.

  • #1224 5 years ago

    This comment thread lives!

    \o/

  • ming #1225 5 years ago

    Last!!!!!!1!

    \o/

  • rodpad #1226 5 years ago

    Minge!

  • brooza #1227 5 years ago

    1300th!