Sony feeling the strain - Bach

By Games Industry.biz Published 27 November, 2006

MS man says focus too broad.

Robbie Bach, the president of Microsoft's entertainment and devices division, has said that he believes Sony is focusing on too many different areas - and is feeling the strain as a result.

Speaking to the San Jose Mercury News, Bach defended Microsoft's decision to introduce new music player Zune to market, rather than a new gaming handheld.

At present, he said, the company's priority is to make sure that, "The second holiday for Xbox 360 is set up right, that we've got the quantities we need, that we've got the games we need, and anything I do to distract those guys is probably a bad thing.

"I think Sony, frankly, suffers a little bit from this problem, which is they're spread really thin across all these areas. And trying to do PSP, competing with Nintendo, PSP to DS; competing with us, 360 to PS3, I think it does strain - it would naturally strain any organisation," he added.

When it comes to competing with the PlayStation 3, "Right now we are thinking about how to cost reduce the Xbox 360. That seems to be the first order of business," Bach said.

"You have to ask the question, over the life cycle, who has the cost advantage? Who can price most effectively? Who can reach the price points quicker? That has a huge impact on what gets driven.

"Most publishers are doing their initial development work on the Xbox 360. That plays to our benefit. Because we are out there first, we have a bigger installed base of consoles. We can drive down the manufacturing curve sooner and faster. And because we designed a box that was fundamentally easier to manage on costs, we’re going to have that advantage," he concluded.

According to Bach, Xbox 360 will be "a great logical choice" for gamers who want to buy a new console this Christmas season, particularly as PS3 shortages continue - adding, "Our value proposition is just better."

He said that Microsoft's decision not to introduce a 2006 holiday price cut for Xbox 360 "was not that hard", explaining, "When your competitor is supply constrained, it’s not clear what price buys you.

"Sony is going to sell as many units as they can ship in the US. I don’t know that a lower price would make a difference in the outcome. As you go out into later years, cost and price are both important issues."

When asked how long it will be before Microsoft starts making money on Xbox, Bach replied, "To be clear, we have said that in fiscal 08, entertainment and devices makes money. That’s not exactly Xbox. We don’t break profit down by business. And there are parts of entertainment and devices that make money. Xbox doesn’t. Xbox has to make significant progress to enable E&D to get there."

However, Bach added, "We feel we are on track."

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  • JediMasterMalik #1 5 years ago

    MS speaking about Sony again? Oh no...

  • Wobble #2 5 years ago

    viva las-sony?

    /gets scared by title bar.

  • Darren #3 5 years ago

    I quote "Right now we are thinking about how to cost reduce the Xbox 360. That seems to be the first order of business," Bach said.

    How about thinking about how to make a reliable Xbox 360 first that doesn't keep breaking down, eh? /wink

  • Chtulie #4 5 years ago

    Well, Zune is quite really a total shit (bad shit, not good shit) piece of kit.
    SO lucky for Microsoft it wasn't quite THAT important to them apparently.

  • dadrester #5 5 years ago

    sony competing with nintendo and microsoft
    microsoft competing with sony and apple

    tomatoes, tomatoes

  • chupachups #6 5 years ago

    Comments like this:

    "I think Sony, frankly, suffers a little bit from this problem, which is they're spread really thin across all these areas. And trying to do PSP, competing with Nintendo, PSP to DS; competing with us, 360 to PS3, I think it does strain - it would naturally strain any organisation,"

    are just pure sniping, and seem even more insincere because he tries to sound all rational about it by saying anyone would have problems. He's also trying to make up for the fact that MS is the only console platform with no handheld console counterpart.

    Couldn't they just shut up about their rivals and concentrate on what they themselves have to offer?

  • dadrester #7 5 years ago

    agreed. they're like fucking politicains... and the whole atmosphere seems to be spreading throughout the games playing community too with idiots filling up forums and flaming just because they don't understand that harware has little to do with the enjoyment of good games.

  • reflux #8 5 years ago

    Nice little Zune-review...

  • Scientist #9 5 years ago

    "Right now we are thinking about how to cost reduce the Xbox 360."

    Wow, yet another new verb concocted by some American exec. And there was I thinking "to reduce the costs of the Xbox 360" was perfectly acceptable English.

    Leveraging the synergies FTW! :-(

  • Talha #10 5 years ago

    Let's see:

    MS Windows vs OSX
    MS Windows vs Linux
    MS OFfice vs Open Office vs WordPerfect Office
    MS Internet Explorer vs Mozilla Firefox
    MS Windows Media Player vs Itunes vs infinity....
    MS Zune vs IPod
    MS Keyboard and Mice vs a trillion others
    MS Sidewinder vs....
    MS Money vs Quicken
    MSN vs AOL & trillion others
    MSNBC vs every other cable channel ever

    Notice the MS in all of this?? Then again, to be fair, they have a bottomless pile of cash while Sony have a bottomless pile of bust batteries. ;-)

    That said, his comments to me sound surprisingly reasonable and controlled. Maybe its just me!
    Edited by 1 at 27/11/06 @ 12:58

  • Nige #11 5 years ago

    Cost reduction - wahey. 65nm fab coming online soon, which should be more reliable too. A cooler, quieter box must be in the pipeline. I think they're entitled to gloat a bit, they've had a good first year - and Sony have played them into a stronger position than they could have hoped.

  • Gurgeh #12 5 years ago

    Some info on pricing:

    "It turns out that [Sony] are losing $307 for every 20GB PS3 and $241 for every 60GB PS3, and that's before before marketing and distribution costs. Compare this to the Xbox, where initially Microsoft was losing $153 per unit a year ago but who are now making $75.70 on each one sold. When it comes to the Wii, Nintendo is making a profit from the outset"

    Seems a bit odd the 20GB loses more than the 60GB but there you go.

    http://blogs.z dnet.com/hardware/?p=152

  • teamonkey #13 5 years ago

    Oh, so not Catherine Bach then? :(

  • barnard666 #14 5 years ago

    "Seems a bit odd the 20GB loses more than the 60GB but there you go."

    because the only thing different is that it has a bigger hard drive, the extra cost for the consumer far outweighs the cost of upping a 20GB drive to a 60GB one.

  • Inflatable #15 5 years ago

    This article makes my feeling of a upcoming pricecut only stronger.. I've predicted a Xbox 360 pricecut coming up somewhere arround March/April next year when the PS3 launches in Europe for some time now.. It will probably be arround 50 euro's orso, so a Xbox 360 premium will then cost you 349,99 euro and a core arround 249,99 (Wii territory).

    And yes, PS3 is in a bit of trouble.. Because besides having a standard Blu-ray drive and being more quiet in operation it offers nothing over the Xbox 360.. Both systems have the same graphical power, but Xbox 360 is available everywhere in stores right now, is a lot cheaper (especially after the pricedrop), and has more games available for the coming 1-2 years orso.. In the US and especially Europe the PS3 will lose a lot of sales to the Xbox 360 this holiday, it will probably run into the millions..

    As for the Wii, despite probably costing as much as a Xbox 360 core in March/April next year, I think the Wii will not really suffer because it has it's own special market with it's 1st party Nintendo games that are totally different from Xbox 360 or PS3 games.. Although it's a clear sign again why (imho) the Wii is overpriced in Europe with 249,99 euro.. It's just a little bit more powerfull then the 5 year old Gamecube, and (after the Xbox 360 pricedrop) it costs the same as a much more powerfull Xbox 360..

  • Talha #16 5 years ago

    Does anyone realize that it is VERY early days for the PS3 yet? Also, if first-wave titles on PS3 are looking just as good as their 360 counterparts (which are second-wave titles by the way), things might be looking good for how games will evolve on PS3?

    But Sony have earned themselves some of that harted, there's no denying that. The only thing that can erase the bitter launch atmosphere would be a year of good releases - maybe.

  • Steroyd #17 5 years ago

    I think the Wii will not really suffer because it has it's own special market with it's 1st party Nintendo games that are totally different from Xbox 360 or PS3 games

    yep and Sony's first party buzz, Singstar or Eye-toy will not make it's way onto the PS3?

  • Talha #18 5 years ago

    @reflux: thanks for the link - very nice review. 'Immune to success" - just chew around that phrase and laugh yourself to bits!

  • chupachups #19 5 years ago

    "Does anyone realize that it is VERY early days for the PS3 yet?"

    The problem is that it's NOT early days for the Xbox 360, it's been around for over a year now and is available in every games shop in the world. The PS3 isn't even available in Europe and is virtually impossible to get in the countries where it has "launched". And the Wii is so easy to manufacture, it too will be far more widely available than the PS3 for the next year or so.


    "yep and Sony's first party buzz, Singstar or Eye-toy will not make it's way onto the PS3?"

    Absolutely no one would buy a $600 / £450 console to play Buzz, Singstar or Eyetoy, especially when they can get exactly the same gameplay on the PS2 for $130 / £80.

    They might sell well, but they won't be the games that sell the system.
    Edited by 1 at 27/11/06 @ 13:25

  • Talha #20 5 years ago

    @chupachups: My point is, this situation has been faced by EVERY games console EVER, except for the first one (don't know what that was). There is nothing new here and it has nothing to do with a console's ultimate fate. At least Sony would hope so ;-)

  • Talha #21 5 years ago

    @disc: Exactly how many pounds I have to put on for graduating to 'heavy gamer'?;-)

    Just asking.

  • penhalion #22 5 years ago

    So the summary would be.

    1. We are loosing money on each box just not nearly as much as sony.
    2. Developers realise that they can make money selling 360 games to 7.5 million users rathere than 300,000 sony users (duh!)
    3. PSP still makes the guys at Microsoft laugh. Sony thought they could muscle into the handheld market we trhink they are dopes and they know it!.
    4. Yea we thought about handheld gaming but nintendo are just too big there so we went after apple who have saturated the market and started to make mistakes!

  • JediMasterMalik #23 5 years ago

    Why does everyone and their dog think that Sony have failed in the handheld market? Not beating Nintendo in a market which they have completely monopolized for decades does not count as failure. They have done very well for their first venture into handheld gaming.

  • Weezer #24 5 years ago

    As far as I'm concerned they've ALL fucked up.

    Microsoft should have had ten internal teams filling every genre with triple-A titles. The argument about whether to buy a PS3 or not should have been a non-issue by now. M$ - despite its billions in the bank - are tightwads and have dropped the ball.

    Nintendo make a nice (though potentially novelty) machine but we still get over-charged in Europe. For that reason alone they get bite my shiny metal ass.

    Sony... Christ what can you say about Sony that a million forum posters haven't done already. Overpriced, under-supported, and not in Europe. The latest rumour is that March won't happen for us because every unit needs to prop up sales in Japan and the US.

    And in case you thnk I'm just scaremongering look at the facts: inital shipments are woeful. If you were a game stire in the US or Japan, could you be arsed to stock the rull range of games for a measly installed base? If Sony spreads itself thin over three major territories, it could really damage its high street support.

    Think about it: on launch day most towns get a paltry handful of machines and so each store has a tiny potential user-base. I'd rather use my valuable shelf space for 360, DS or Wii titles which I know stand a much greater chance of selling.

    In war you don't fight on two fronts, let alone three. If I was making a decision based on pure business, I'd leave troublesome multilingual Europe until next November and get a proper foothold in the NTSC territories first.

  • JediMasterMalik #25 5 years ago

    Overpriced, under-supported

    It's most definitely not overpriced. And what do you mean by undersupported? It has alot of support...

  • Inflatable #26 5 years ago

    ------Does anyone realize that it is VERY early days for the PS3 yet? Also, if first-wave titles on PS3 are looking just as good as their 360 counterparts (which are second-wave titles by the way), things might be looking good for how games will evolve on PS3?-----

    Sure it's very early for PS3, but that's really their own fault.. Sony could have launched the PS3 a year ago just as the Xbox 360 if it wasn't for them trying to use the PS3 to push Blu-ray onto the market.. Sony simply gave the advantage to MS themselfs.. And yes, *if* the 1st PS3 games looked as good as 2nd gen Xbox360 games.. But they don't, and current multiplatform games like CoD3 and NFS:C etc look and run slightly better on the Xbox 360, which also says something..


    -------yep and Sony's first party buzz, Singstar or Eye-toy will not make it's way onto the PS3?------

    Sure PS3 will have it's exclusive things and games, but so will the Xbox 360, and noone will have the 1st party Nintendo games like Zelda and all the Mario's etc except the Wii..

    That's also why I said that the PS3 will probably be top again in 5-6 years time, because there's so many PS2 users outthere that want the same exclusive games again as they had on their PS2.. But for the coming years Xbox 360 will stay ahead as the PS3 is to way to expensive for most PS2 owners, and the cheaper Xbox 360 offer a good alternative.. PS3 also lost a few important exclusives like GTA for example, therefor Sony will not dominate again as they did with the PS2.. In the end it will be close to 50/50 between Xbox 360 and PS3 with a slight advantage for PS3 I think.. For MS that's already a victory..

  • AcidSnake #27 5 years ago

    Dunno, I thought he carefully chose his words here...
    Nothing really offensive or anything...

    Nice zune review indeed...I particularly sympathize with the windows 'antibodies'...

  • Steroyd #28 5 years ago

    Sure PS3 will have it's exclusive things and games, but so will the Xbox 360, and noone will have the 1st party Nintendo games like Zelda and all the Mario's etc except the Wii..

    hmmm...

    because there's so many PS2 users out there that want the same exclusive games again as they had on their PS2

    ¬_¬

  • kangarootoo #29 5 years ago

    BONGGGG

    Businessman says negative thing about direct competitor.

  • Steroyd #30 5 years ago

    I think people over estimate GTA, yes it was one of the best selling franchises, but at the same time 90% of people who bought a PS2 didn't buy GTA.

  • Weezer #31 5 years ago

    Overpriced by comparison with the competition, undersupported in that the games so far look like high-res versions of the same old franchises. (Though the same could be said for the majority of 360 titles).

    However I've played Motorstorm and it's pretty cool.

  • Psychotext #32 5 years ago

    "It's most definitely not overpriced."

    Pardon?!?!

  • Steroyd #33 5 years ago

    hmm... the overpriced is from a perspective, as a Blu-ray player it isn't as a games console it is, as a PC it's.... kinda.

  • Wobble #34 5 years ago

    "Why does everyone and their dog think that Sony have failed in the handheld market? "

    During the intermission at 'Video Games Live' on saturday I looked down at the 500 or so gamers I could see in the circle before me. There were about 50 DS's lit up. I saw one bloke huddled over by the aisle with a psp looking a bit ashamed. Mrs Wobble actually noticed this before me and said 'why does that one guy only have one screen when everyone else has two?' I lol'd.

  • Psychotext #35 5 years ago

    Steroyd: I've had this argument before and it's never really got anywhere but I'll just say that you really have to think that $800 for a blu-ray player is reasonable before you can think a $600 PS3 is cheap for a blu-ray player. Personally I think that anyone that spends $600 on a higher res dvd player is a little nuts. But meh, I have no problem with people spending their cash how they want.

    * Goes off to snort coke from hookers ass *

    =)

  • chupachups #36 5 years ago

    "My point is, this situation has been faced by EVERY games console EVER, except for the first one (don't know what that was). There is nothing new here and it has nothing to do with a console's ultimate fate. At least Sony would hope so ;-)"

    I'd agree if the PS3 was generally similar to its rivals, launch problems would be completely forgotten once manufacturing gets going properly.

    The problem is the PS3 costs twice as much as the 360 and three times as much as the Wii, and the price difference isn't going to go away because MS and Nintendo will match every price drop (they're already making a profit on the hardware so if they took the same loss as Sony they could sell their consoles for about $100 each).

    No successful console has ever had such a big price difference at launch, which makes potential PS3 customers even less likely to wait for it while the 360 and Wii look so inviting on the shop shelves. In fact the only console I can think of which was so hugely expensive compared to rivals is the 3DO, which died miserably at the hands of the much cheaper first PlayStation.

  • Psychotext #37 5 years ago

    disc: Exactly the same thing happened with the 360 launch... except the high prices went on longer (PS3 prices seem to have crashed since launch day). The 360 didn't go for quite that much on average, but then it was cheaper to start with. Academic really... Nintendo shows how it's done, yet even they still have shortages despite apparently launching with 4x what Sony managed.

  • KillahSouljah #38 5 years ago

    Microsoft you need to focus on your own shit.

    Microsoft XBOX 360 is going against Sony PLAYSTATION 3.

    Microsoft ZUNE is going against Apple iPod.

    Theres only 1 room for 1 top company in each country.

    Japans got Sony.

    Americas got Apple.

    You need to beat Apple before you can go against any company.

    I reckon the strains on you Softy.

    The most succesful gaming company out there is Sony, PS one won, PS2 won, PS3 will win, Xbox flopped, Xbox 360 doing worst, it needs to beat PS2, PSP before it can go against PS3.

  • KillahSouljah #39 5 years ago

    PS3's first gen titles are looking better than 360's second gen titles.

    And i have to say this but Halo 3's graphics looks like shit.

  • chacha #40 5 years ago

    "The most succesful gaming company out there is Sony, PS one won, PS2 won, PS3 will win, Xbox flopped, Xbox 360 doing worst, it needs to beat PS2, PSP before it can go against PS3."

    ##so by that reasoning the ps3 is also a flop as it needs to first beat the ps2

  • Psychotext #41 5 years ago

    rdexter: Yeah, I thought so. Though you missed my point. There's plenty of people on here that would flame you for buying a 360, PS3, Wii, whatever. Like I said, that's not me. But I do like a good discussion (though I wont be bothering to respond to KillahSouljah because he's proven in the past that he's way too far down fanboy road to appreciate other's opinions).

  • bivith #42 5 years ago

    "Nice little Zune-review... "

    ouch! sounds disasterous.

  • Gurgeh #43 5 years ago

    penhalion: According to this:

    [link url=http: //www.isuppli.com/news/default.asp?id=6919
    ]http://ww w.isuppli.com/news/default.asp?...[/link]

    Microsoft is now making money on each XBox 360 sold.

  • crazyhorse174 #44 5 years ago

    Hmm...strange.

    IGN really liked the Zune - gave it a respectable 8 out of 10 if I'm not mistaken. Didnt mention many problems with it.

    Strange that the guy who reviewed it in the review thats linked above seemed to hate it so much.

  • chacha #45 5 years ago

    "IGN really liked the Zune - gave it a respectable 8 out of 10 if I'm not mistaken. Didnt mention many problems with it.

    Strange that the guy who reviewed it in the review thats linked above seemed to hate it so much."

    theres many other reviews on the t'internet giving the zune a respecatble review, it might not be an apple killer ut it is still a good player non the less, it seems that review posted must have been from some apple fanboy or microsoft hater - not so different to people on forums really ;)

  • schoozzzmmii #46 5 years ago

    /picks up KillahSouljah's rattle and tucks him in.

  • schoozzzmmii #47 5 years ago

    Did anyone read Edge's coverage of 360 sales this month. They're suggesting pretty poor sales up to this point which is not the impression i've been getting but I can't say I've actually seen any figures.

  • AcidSnake #48 5 years ago

    It's only natural for 360 sales to drop down before a rival launch...
    Although I haven't heard 360 sales dropping, someone in the threads keeps saying they have actually risen...
    No sources though...

  • Steroyd #49 5 years ago

    Apparently MS's sales figures have been flat all year round, i don't think even Gears of War perked up the sales much.

    Although it's still early days and there's the rest of December left.

  • AcidSnake #50 5 years ago

    I doubt that they're going to reach that 10 million figure they were aiming for though...
    With the wii launching in force in europe...
    (Force...50000 units for Italy...Hope I can get one at launch)

  • Psychotext #51 5 years ago

    The only place I've heard much negative about 360 sales is Japan. Poor old MS =P

    I have heard of 360s selling out all over the place in America and Canada on the launch weekend of the PS3 / Wii though. Probably just due to shortages of the other consoles and an increased amount of shoppers in stores generally.
    Edited by 1 at 27/11/06 @ 15:47

  • Yaz #52 5 years ago

    "Did anyone read Edge's coverage of 360 sales this month."

    I did, and they seem way off the mark. Perhaps it's because it's in their PS3 suppliment. They say 4.7 million sold so far, but the figure I'm seeing on the net is 7.4 million. So I believe it's a typo.

  • schoozzzmmii #53 5 years ago

    Yeah, I was a bit suspicious of them giving the 360 sales a harsh time in the same edition that had a supplement and cover article extolling the PS3's virtues. I'd always hoped they were above and beyond that sort of thing but I guess nothing is sacred anymore.

    Particularly amusing was their comment about how both the Wii and the PS3 take console gaming in new directions. The Wii for obvious reasons, the PS3 seemingly because it can display photos in a novel way. Don't get me wrong, the PS3 is fine and all, but it hardly seems to represent the paradigm shift that the Wii offers.

  • Nep #54 5 years ago

    No, the 4.7 million sold figure is correct and not a typo. It is based on the numbers provided by NPD at the beginning of this month, including sales through October. If you're trusting NexGenWars.com, whose sources are not listed and whose figures are admittedly stated as being based on "estimates", over EDGE because you believe them to be biased in favour of the PS3, then your fanboy paranoia is truly getting the best of you.

    Microsoft doesn't seem to discern between "sold" and "shipped".

  • Steroyd #55 5 years ago

    I'm sorry but I find it hard to believe that there's 2.7 million Xbox 360's sitting on the shelves gathering dust.

  • Psychotext #56 5 years ago

    Nep: I'm with Steroyd. Frankly that's BS.

  • immateriaux #57 5 years ago

    Thought Edge's argument, though, that the XBox360 was the pinnacle of game console development as delivered in the 2nd generation was a good one - it is basically an XBox with nicer graphics, there's not a lot more to it that cannot be found elsewhere etc. Whereas, the PS3 still has an open potential at this point based on its relation to the PSP, its media center-ed-ness, it's capacity, it's sixaxis thing, etc.

    It is an argument, however, that will only really be settled this time next year.

    But if XBox360 has really sold less at this point in its cycle compared to the XBox, I would imagine some of the MS execs are feeling a bit of a strain too, for that matter.

  • Gurgeh #58 5 years ago

    The XBox 360 had sold 4.7 million worldwide by the end of June this year. Microsoft then said they expected to ship 10 million before "holiday 2006". Going from the first 7 months the number of XBox360s sold to date would be 6 to 7 million.

  • immateriaux #59 5 years ago

    Very good Zune review by the way - I think coming from an independent source like a generally read Newspaper makes it a lot more likely to be objective compared to a gaming site. But the stuff about using "points" rather than real money to buy tracks and how that can be used to break the standard pricing model that Apple has stuck to is very very valid. For this reason alone, I hope the Zune fails dramatically.

  • Glitch #60 5 years ago

    Darren, my xbox is fine and everyone I know who has one has had zero problems. how can you joke about not getting a console right? with a worldwide release of a brand new technology, your going to get the odd console that breaks down. My advice is to get over it and experience the excellent support service microsoft have.

  • Hughes. #61 5 years ago

    The 360 is actually barely pacing the Dreamcast in terms of units sold/time on sale, it won't suffer the same fate of course, because they'll just keep throwing mountains of money at it. They need to sell half a million a week to hit their target and match DC sales over the same period.

    What the point of this latest dumb corporate mendacity is, is beyond me, it just puts me off putting money in these gits pockets. Every one I know IRL who's held off getting a 360 is very keen on getting a Wii. MS could get a serious bitch-slapping from an unexpected quarter this festive season.

    LOL @ the Zune apologists, there's dedication to the corporate male chicken if ever I saw it. Zune points fufux-ache! Different day, same old ordure.

  • Psychotext #62 5 years ago

    Hughes: That's crap, quite frankly. The dreamcast sold 10 million over its entire lifetime... don't try making out that the 360 is selling worse or anywhere near it. Oh, and yeah I can back this up with exact figures.

    [Edit - Dreamcast lifetime: November 1998 - March 2001]
    Edited by 1 at 27/11/06 @ 20:09

  • OfficialBlue #63 5 years ago

    microsoft get over your selfs just like sony use to be, just shut up like Nintendo k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • OfficialBlue #64 5 years ago

    microsoft get over your selfs just like sony use to be, just shut up like Nintendo k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Hughes. #65 5 years ago

    Oh yeah, I forgot about 2000, I was drunk for most that year.

    As you were.

  • Vin #66 5 years ago

    Holy shit. You bunch of chimps need to join the ranks of the casuals.

    Y'know, the ones who own PC’s, Xbox’s and PS2’s and play their favorite titles, unconcerned with SALES FIGURES or memorizing all the names of Metal Gear Solid bosses.

  • Psychotext #67 5 years ago

    Vin: You do realise that it's usually the casuals that are the most rabid fanboys? The truly hardcore are the ones that own all the consoles because they want to get all the games.

  • Jamaicangmr #68 5 years ago

    @ Vin

    Those people exsist i thought they were urban myths. lol! Am joking but seriously don't belittle people because they differ from you ok buddy. Thats called discrimination. besides if they wanna have an extended interest in there hobbies more power to them you dont have to read there comments if you dont want to.

    I only have an issue when they become blinded by brand loyalty but for the most part they are intelligent and fun to talk to.

    I know what i am but what are you for being here?

  • Jamaicangmr #69 5 years ago

    @Psychotext

    Preach lol! This place is fun today lol!

  • Psychotext #70 5 years ago

    Jamaicangmr: Problem is that I'm coming off as a bit of a fanboy myself... I don't see anyone spouting BS about the PS3 or the Wii today. = /

    Oh, and wtf does Zune have to do with gaming?!?! Shall we pull apart Sony for their sub-standard car audio systems?

  • Jamaicangmr #71 5 years ago

    @ Psychotext

    We all fall under the proverbial banner of "Fanboy" sometimes but it's the smarter of us that are able to elevate and not allow any brand to blind us. I have been called a Sony fanboy and a Nintendo fanboy which i am if havin a prefference means that your a fanboy.

    Yeah really come on what does Zune have to do with this? That Microsofts Mp3 player the only real tie in it has with gamin is that it was 1st thought to be a gaming handheld. Come on guys lets not grasp at straws here. The Xbox divison of Microsoft has enough going on that we dont need to bring in other parts of that corparation into our discussions do we?

    Edited by 1 at 27/11/06 @ 22:47

  • shuffles #72 5 years ago

    Hi,

    Can anyone help me out with this:

    We just got a a new lcd tv for our new pc and im able to hook it up to an xbox 360 or a ps3 and i was wondering if these specifications of the lcd tv are any good??

    Mirai 27 inch lcd tv
    Flat Panel Type LCD Television
    LCD Response Time: 8 ms
    Screen Size: 27 inch
    Contrast Ratio: 9 00:1
    Display Resolution: 1366 x 768 pixels
    Display Capabilities Broadcast Format Displayed:
    -720p (HDTV)
    -480p (EDTV)
    -480i (SDTV)
    Broadcast Format Supported
    -1080i (HDTV)
    -720p (HDTV)
    -480p (EDTV)
    -480i (SDTV)
    -576p
    -576i
    Built-in Tuner
    -NTSC
    -PAL
    -SECAM
    Native Aspect Ratio 16:9

    Image QualityDisplay Resolution: 1366 x 768 pixels
    Brightness: 550 cd/m²
    Output Color: 16.7 million colors
    Viewing Angle: 176
    Adjustable Color TemperatureWithout Adjustable Color Temperature


    Would this lcd be good for an xbox 360 or ps3??

    This probably sounds like a stupid question but i dont know much about lcd's

    Any help would be great,
    Thanks.























  • Psychotext #73 5 years ago

    Good refresh time, respectable contrast, 720p. Should do the job fine.

  • RevanEleven #74 5 years ago


    sounds like its a perfect tv for gaming, specs are good, but have you checked the connections? component, HDMI?

  • Talha #75 5 years ago

    Hey guys, Zune officially sucks. Paul Thurott says so, and if that guy berates a MS product, it HAS to be bad.

    ;-)

  • Jamaicangmr #76 5 years ago

    @ Talha

    3 questions...

    1st What makes Mr. Thurott opinion so official that he should have the final word?

    2nd What does this have to do with this thread?

    3nd Why are you happy about this?
    Edited by 1 at 28/11/06 @ 14:15

  • shuffles #77 5 years ago

    @ Raveneleven

    I dont know if it has component or hdmi. Is it bad if i dont???