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Xbox 360 News by Johnny Minkley

22 May, 2006

Xbox boss Peter Moore has launched a scathing attack on Sony's decision to include motion sensing in the PlayStation 3 joypad at the expense of a rumble feature.

Speaking in an exclusive interview with Eurogamer TV (now showing), Moore compared the surprise initiative, revealed during Sony's pre-E3 press conference, to the Redmond giant's previous abortive efforts with its Sidewinder pad.

"At Microsoft we did the same controller six years ago - most people remember that,” Moore said. “The gamers' response was muted at best. We remember it being applicable to flying games in particular and some driving games but overall there was somewhat of a collective yawn from the gaming community about the motion sensing technology.”

And Moore could not resist a swipe at the controversial decision to remove the industry standard rumble feature from the PS3 pad, commenting: “The motion sensing, particularly at the sacrifice of force feedback - I'm not even sure that's a good trade off in itself.”

Microsoft's corporate VP also dismissed suggestions that motion sensing actually provided PS3 with an advantage over Xbox 360, giving developers a new opportunity to explore.

“I don't think it's a huge issue. I'm less worried that somehow people are going to ignore a 10 million unit head start because they want to do a game with motion control,” he insisted.

“But Sony's a great company and I'm sure they know what they're doing, and we'll see if the gamer reacts accordingly.”

Pricing proved the biggest talking point of E3, however, and Sony's confirmation of PlayStation 3 positioning has been met with barely-concealed delight by Microsoft executives.

“We were somewhat surprised that the price was actually announced,” Moore revealed. “When I remember the furore we got for 299 and 399 Euros, I can only imagine what's going on back home for 599 Euros for what looks to me like a platform that's on a par at best with some of the software we're showing.”

The full exclusive Peter Moore interview is now showing on Eurogamer TV. In the wide-ranging chat, Moore defends Microsoft's continued failure in Japan, discusses its HD-DVD strategy, the importance of GTA and much more. And don't forget to check out part 2, where Moore discusses the Eurogamer forum - he "loves the depth of thought" in there, apparently, even though he gets called rude names.

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abeit2
22/05/06 @ 13:45
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1st of about 250
drumbaby
22/05/06 @ 13:46
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10 million unit head start

????

How does he propose to reach almost half of Xbox 1's final total in such a short time?

Bonkers.
Blerk
22/05/06 @ 13:47
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Will it never end?
Darren
22/05/06 @ 13:50
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I'm sure I read that interview somewhere else last week because Moore's Sony-are-a-great-company remark stuck in my mind... I'm sure he said the same thing in a C&VG or OXM360 interview last week...
22/05/06 @ 13:51
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@ drumbaby
Because he knows!
Seriously though, I'm sure he does know pretty much how many units will ship, even in a worse case scenario.

/Wishes I could sleep for 6 months and then compare the three platforms on the only thing that really matters - the gaming experience. - But that would be 6 months without playing on the 360, so maybe I won't do that!
king_skins
22/05/06 @ 13:52
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Blerk, will what end?

Darren, they tend to do group interviews, so they all end up sounding the same or they just keep going over the same points as people keep asking them the same questions.
BartonFink
22/05/06 @ 13:55
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So it wasn't Nintendo they robbed for the idea it was in fact Microsoft. :)
drumbaby
22/05/06 @ 13:56
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If the DS3 really is an idea that Sony has stolen from Msoft then let's see Msoft sue. :)
TurdBreaker
22/05/06 @ 13:56
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I would hardly say it was a "seething" attack against Sony. :/
asphaltcowboy
22/05/06 @ 13:57
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Hmm, if you watch the video interview, the "rubbishing" certainly doesn't come off as "scathing" as this article suggests...
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22/05/06 @ 13:57
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The Sony patent was 6 years old as well I think.

So they stole from themselves?
Blerk
22/05/06 @ 13:57
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Blerk, will what end?

The pointless bickering and corporate sniping over things that, at the end of the day, don't matter.
groovychainsaw
22/05/06 @ 13:58
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The thing is, the PC market would be ideal for this, due to the number of flight sims on there (surely the ideal game for a tilt sensor), but flopped. Sony's only demo was... a flight sim (of sorts). Anyone name how many top flight sims have been succesful on consoles? Do you need more than the fingers on one hand?
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22/05/06 @ 13:59
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Heheh, three articles bad mouthing the PS3 pad. Where're the Sony bias accusateurs now?
Ignatius_Cheese
22/05/06 @ 14:00
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And don't forget to check out part 2, where Moore discusses the Eurogamer forum - he "loves the depth of thought" in there, apparently, even though he gets called rude names

Cockmaster... :oP
king_skins
22/05/06 @ 14:05
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The pointless bickering and corporate sniping over things that, at the end of the day, don't matter.

God no, they love it to much ;) and I gives the fanboys something to do in work/uni/school playground
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22/05/06 @ 14:05
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TurdBreaker - I said 'scathing' not 'seething'. Which his comments most certainly are by implication. He doesn't need to be red-faced and shaking with anger to make his point :-)
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22/05/06 @ 14:05
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don't forget to check out part 2, where Moore discusses the Eurogamer forum - he "loves the depth of thought" in there

Conclusive proof that he has never actually visited the EG forums. :-)
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22/05/06 @ 14:07
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"Scathing by implication"?. LOL.

Eurogamer becoming the Evening Standard of games editorial?
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22/05/06 @ 14:12
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I actualy dont care if it has rumbe or psx tilt sensor, still funy to listen to sony an ms listen arguing over poo. :)
3william56
22/05/06 @ 14:15
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Translation: Sh*te. Wish we'd thought of it.

Jeez - he was doing so well, and almost coming across as human. And then, off we go again. How many XB games had this sidewinder tilt function, exactly? Can't say I heard about it.

Sorry dude, but the DS3 may not be as funky as the wiimote (up to Ninty's usage whether it ends up as a more sensible middle ground or left in the dust), but MS has been caught napping by Sony and N. Done right, I can see this being ace for games like Warhawk, and could work for strafing in FPSs, lean in skateboard/snowboard games, peering in 3rd person stuff (and I'd love to see a handglider game). Will wait and see what Sony and Ninty do with it. But dismissing it as an irrelevance? Sorry - must try harder.

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22/05/06 @ 14:17
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"How many XB games had this sidewinder tilt function, exactly? Can't say I heard about it.

That because he was talking about PC you muppet!
UncleLou
22/05/06 @ 14:18
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Translation: Sh*te. Wish we'd thought of it.

Doesn't sound like that to me at all, not even in the slightest.
tonynibbles
22/05/06 @ 14:20
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I'm so bored of this constant supply of sniping at each other.
Is this gonna go on till all consoles are out?
22/05/06 @ 14:22
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@ 3william56

Ho ho ho. Good knowledge.
And it would be inconceivable for MS to introduce a tilting controller in the future I guess (though after Moore's comments it would be a bit of a policy U-turn).
I'd say maybe 5% of the games developed for the PS3 will utilise this feature. Certainly only one of the games at E3 even mentioned using it, wheras almost every Nintendo game had some mention of using it.
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NoCodeNed2
22/05/06 @ 14:23
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Is it me or does Peter Moore look like The Master from Dr. Who?
drumbaby
22/05/06 @ 14:24
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The Cockmaster, yes. :)
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22/05/06 @ 14:24
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There's a 10 year old video on one of the MS Dev sites that was linked in the forum some time ago showing a MS bod using something remarkably similar to the Wiimote.

The tech is hardly new. It's just silly saying someone stole this from them and blah etc.
WicKeD
22/05/06 @ 14:24
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Hey Johnny!

You don't happen to write Coronation Street scripts aswell, do you? :D
SuperGamerMatt
22/05/06 @ 14:25
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Moore please sue Sony!! Please!!!!
NoCodeNed2
22/05/06 @ 14:26
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@drumbaby - you know very well, who I meant - honestly, do you have to put your cock into everything? : )
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22/05/06 @ 14:28
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rumble feature really dosen't matter anymore on any controller. and if it dose then why? gta games didnt sell the ps2 rpg games did and anyway gta games are overrated.
22/05/06 @ 14:28
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/Peowww
Giggidy Giggidy!
glaeken
22/05/06 @ 14:30
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Poor blackdog. all that effort and everyone ignores you. lol.
22/05/06 @ 14:32
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Blackdog posted? Mwahaha

EDIT: Wonge - I take it you're refering to a MS device for future release - sorry I just don't know what part of my post you are talking about!?
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Dizzy
22/05/06 @ 14:33
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>Poor blackdog. all that effort and everyone ignores you. lol.

:) Well good to hear he is still around... I ignored him years ago ;) Ahhhh the silence....
spidermanalf
22/05/06 @ 14:36
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I am sure if MS really wanted, they could make an attachment that goes into the 360 pad that is tilt sensitive.
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22/05/06 @ 14:37
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At the end of these articles i always imagine the Eastenders episode ending dramatic thump noises. Oh noes! what will happen next?

Actually I think those rediculus Daz adverts on TV are closer the truth.
sickpuppysoftware
22/05/06 @ 15:20
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I remember the tilting sidewinder. It would have been a good idea except
a) It was only really motocross madness that really used it.
b) It may have been good for flightsims but anybody even slightly interested in flightsims usually had a flight stick far more suited to the job.
c) Getting any controller working reliably with Windows at the time was a black art.
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22/05/06 @ 15:25
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MS loves the PS3 price, they adore and aplaude Sony for it becuase now it makes thier 400 bucks look practicly reasonable, now they don't have to drop the price so soon.
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22/05/06 @ 15:25
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Scathing:severely and unkindly critical.

I didn't find it a severe or unkind critism imo.
EG certainly love to inject a bit of drama in their articles :)

Darkedge
22/05/06 @ 15:28
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well the sony fanboy children have rushed in.. great.
I do think the articlke was written to be contraversial. Shame on you EG this is just a way to get idiots shouting at each other and calling rude names.
smoothpete
22/05/06 @ 15:29
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Moore reads the fucking forum? Pissflaps, I wanted to work for Microsoft one day. Bang goes any chance of that!
Blerk
22/05/06 @ 15:42
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Do you just type random words? Or is it some kind of code?
smoothpete
22/05/06 @ 15:44
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Sounds like Japlish :)
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22/05/06 @ 15:45
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Blackdog:glaeken: Poor blackdog. all that effort and everyone ignores you. lol.

Except you that is.
Believe me, is was little effort, it was a pleasure ^_^

My god man you must lead a sad,sad life.Sitting there in your darkened room on the edge of your seat,dual shock controller lubed up and stuck up your rectum vibrating away,whilst all the while thinking of Ken Kutaragi and slowly tossing yourself off into oblivion,but still you're waiting .....Waiting,always waiting for someone to take your ''^_^''bait,so that you can then once again spring into action with a witty reply (complete with awful grammar) to defend your Sony god. I almost pity you. ^_^ Twat.
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22/05/06 @ 15:47
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Heheh, three articles bad mouthing the PS3 pad. Where're the Sony bias accusateurs now?

The first days of E3 compared to the present state of affairs has been an amazingly swift turnaround in fortunes for the quality of EG's journalism.

Rob Fahey's tepid interview of Harrison compared to his battling performance against Moore was the nadir of EG's coverage, almost on the same level as the forever infamous "real next gen" headline, but the situation was thankfully turned around by some excellent preview pieces - and the analytical articles about the respective states of the big 3 were the high point, the icing on the cake.

EG is back in business, having quickly restored their reputation following a rocky start to E3, and I'm glad to see the site back where it belongs. But don't kid yourself that there weren't problems to begin with.
BartonFink
22/05/06 @ 15:51
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So blackdog is still around spouting tireless (or tiresome) Sony crap eh?
Excellent.
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22/05/06 @ 15:55
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So blackdog is still around spouting tireless (or tiresome) Sony crap eh?
Excellent.


Give the guy a chance - at least he appears to have stopped using the world's most annoying smiley.
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The thing is, the PC market would be ideal for this, due to the number of flight sims on there (surely the ideal game for a tilt sensor), but flopped. Sony's only demo was... a flight sim (of sorts). Anyone name how many top flight sims have been succesful on consoles? Do you need more than the fingers on one hand?

Ninty are fuxked then.

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