Global crisis plays to PS3 strengths - Sony

By Robert Purchese Published 20 March, 2009

Will be "centrepiece" for next decade.

Sony America marketeer Peter Dille believes the credit crunch "plays right into" the strengths of the PS3, because, economically, the console represents "great value" and will be the "centrepiece of your entertainment for the next 10 years".

"I think when people start doing the apples-to-apples comparison, and see what PS3 can do, and see the value of Blu-ray, and what free online and free Wi-Fi with a hard drive in every box really means, it resonates," Dille told GameDaily. "I think people are gravitating to it and we've got a lot of momentum with the launch of Killzone 2 - we're seeing a nice upsurge in our business.

"We also have to work hard to gain our consumers' trust and make them comfortable that when they buy a PS3, it's going to stand the test of time. The fact of the matter is we're the only console manufacturer that's ever launched a product that's had a 10-year life-cycle. And we've done that now not once, but twice.

Dille explained that Sony had always pursued a "a profit goal" with PlayStation 3, whereas the competition had "a market share goal" based around a "very aggressive pricing strategy" that cost "a lot of money".

That profit goal resulted in PS3 selling 276,000 units in February across the US, compared with 391,000 Xbox 360 sales. Meanwhile, the market-leading Wii managed a whopping 753,000 sales.

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  • AphoticCosmos #1 3 years ago

    Yeah.

    Right.

  • UncleLou #2 3 years ago

    I see Sony are trying hard to repeat 2007's PR success.

  • Kami #3 3 years ago

    The problem they don't get is it may be good value for that length of time, but the simple truth is right here right now people are not spending that much - and if they do, they will likely go for something with more market clout of is cheaper. The PS3 is neither of these things and therefore misses the point, it's no good telling people your machine will be good for 10 years - not one person will believe you until you prove it.

    Sony need to wake up and smell the coffee on this one, this is not helping - it's fingers in ears, lalala-I-can't-hear-you behaviour and it's going to be their achilles heel at this rate...

  • BOFH_UK #4 3 years ago

    Haven't we heard this tune for some time now? The fact is, while yes the PS3 is the best 'value' console around it is only an appropriate comparison if you were already going to buy all those bits.

    The free on-line is rubbish - people will happily pay for Xbox live if all their mates are there, end of.
    Wi-fi is a nice to have but hardly vital.
    Blu-ray does indeed bump up the value of the console... but in this "global crisis" is anyone going to be in a huge rush to move to a media format costing £20 or more per disc?

    And this all assumes that the competition stands still. What happens when, for example, Microsoft launches the next Xbox and blows away the PS3 in terms of graphical grunt?

  • Thunderbolt #5 3 years ago

    Crisis, what crisis?

  • menage #6 3 years ago

    SPIN IT, I said SPIN IT dammit.

    Who the hell are the trying to convince, shareholders probably.
    Edited by menage at 20/03/09 @ 16:41

  • MaxiSleep #7 3 years ago

    What a complete utter moronic idiot.

  • Dizzy #8 3 years ago

    I am lost for words... no really.

    >I think people are gravitating to it

    Errr.. all your sales indicators are down FFS!

    Hey! I found some words. ;)
    Edited by Dizzy at 20/03/09 @ 16:43

  • miiiguel #9 3 years ago

    Give him a break, he has to say something, it's his job.
    I'm much more confortable with this tune, rather then with "next-gen starts when we say so"; "rumble is so last-gen... no wait, here is the dual-shock!"; "PS3 does 4D gaming!"...
    Edited by miiiguel at 20/03/09 @ 16:44

  • ronuds #10 3 years ago

    These guys will just never stfu. Nobody's buying it, you jackasses! It's as if the less they sell, the more confident in their product they claim to be. "We only sold 100k in December? It's clearly because we have the best value. YES!" How much more dilusional can they be at this point?

    8 years from now, nobody's going to fucking care how much the PS3 cost in 2009! They're not going to look back and say, "boy am I glad to have bought a PS3 way back when." Because by then it's likely nobody will be using their PS3's as blu-ray players anyway, as players will likely be dirt cheap at that point.

  • Bealsy #11 3 years ago

    Because everyone will buy the more expensive console in these "economically stressful" times.....

    Also, if I'm still playing PS3 in 10 years I'll be fucking pissed! Can you imagine still playing Playstation 1?

  • Gnort #12 3 years ago

    Oh dear.

  • Ignatius_Cheese #13 3 years ago

    Bwwwahahahahahaaaaaaa! :D

  • DFawkes #14 3 years ago

    Can someone please expalin the credit crunch to this guy, point him at rival formats console sales figures, and kick him right up the arse? Much obliged.

    I quite like the fact the say 'the competition had "a market share goal" based around a "very aggressive pricing strategy" that cost "a lot of money"'. A market share goal, as in selling more at a lower price. As in winning.

  • Monkey_Puncher #15 3 years ago

    I don't know why Sony keep doing this to themselves, it's embarassing to be honest.

  • Vistrix #16 3 years ago

    Once Sony announce a £100 price cut, they'll be taking 2nd place in no time.

    Not sure why people are so negative towards the PS3, its consistenly sold more than the 360 worldwide if you align their launch dates up (2-4 million more units roughly to date?). Its going to catch up with the 360 this year unless they make another ridiculous move.

  • Vistrix #17 3 years ago

    Gaming has nothing to do with the credit crunch anyway, its one of the only markets thats totally ignored it (according to huge sales figures).

  • elvenscroll #18 3 years ago

    How is it that these fucktards are still employed? Also, they probably make more money than most of us for spouting this bullshit.

    I like my PS3 but come on Sony, stop talking shit and start making games!

  • Goodfella #19 3 years ago

    @Vistrix

    Because certain 360 fanboys conveniently ignore the facts.
    Edited by Goodfella at 20/03/09 @ 16:59

  • metalnut #20 3 years ago

    "Give him a break, he has to say something, it's his job. "

    My Mum told me if you don't have anything worthwhile to say, you shouldn't say anything at all. Filling the silence with rubbish just makes you look like an idiot.

    That said, it's obvious this stuff is aimed at shareholders and other investors who have absolutely no idea what the real state of affairs is and will take Sony's word for it. They just need them to hang in there a little longer, keep believing until they can finally cut the price and start making up ground again. It must be humiliating to be in the position they are now compared to the PS2 and they need the PR bullshit to try to make people believe they're a champion in the waiting, when in fact they've already lost - they're just another runner-up this gen (alongside/slightly behind the 360), even though they blew far more money than anyone else.

    I notice that Sony's 10-year estimate seems to be re-basing by the year. So it's 10 years from 2009 now? 10 years is a pipe dream from the release date (no other console has lasted anywhere near that long - even the ultra-dominant PS2 didn't make it that long) never mind from 2 years after release.

    Sucks to be made to eat humble pie, but by God Sony needed it. Their egos were orbiting the planet after the PS2 so being brought down to earth is a good thing.

  • El-Dev #21 3 years ago

    Clearly this guy and Greenberg are on some Jobcentre "Get back into work after a long lay off" scheme.

  • swede #22 3 years ago

    Hmmm, bluray movies need to come down in price before what he is saying even approaches anything like the truth.

    Facts:
    A lot of people are strapped for cash.
    Virtually everyone now has a DVD player.
    The difference in quality between DVD and BR is nowhere near the same as VHS/DVD.
    BluRay movies cost between 50% up to 300% more than their DVD counterparts.

    Result:
    BluRay sales are not taking off - therefore price of players stays high, price of discs stays high.

    It wouldn't surprise me if they never overtake DVD sales.

  • themorganator #23 3 years ago

    @Coin-Op

    "paying to play with racists (40 quid a year). "

    That's quite simply the most glaringly stupid post I've read on here in some time. Yeah, everyone who plays PNS must be a saint.. I'm sure nobody uses naughty words on PS3 because all the bad people are on LIVE.

    Blatant trolling moron

  • metalnut #24 3 years ago

    "Not sure why people are so negative towards the PS3, its consistenly sold more than the 360 worldwide if you align their launch dates up (2-4 million more units roughly to date?). Its going to catch up with the 360 this year unless they make another ridiculous move."

    I don't want to burst your bubble here, I know some people love to talk about 'Hardware from Launch' stats, but the fact is that the 3-4m advantage 'from launch' was built up during 2007 / early 2008, when the PS3 was doing a lot better (ie before the 360 price cut). Since then, the PS3 and 360 have been either neck and neck sales wise, or the 360 has been ahead. Sony hasn't been catching up at all in the last 12 months, they've been at best holding steady, ie at ~8m behind. Hardware from launch stats mean nothing if you lose all the momentum you had.

    Sony need a price cut, they are not going to catch up without it. They need to sell 8m more consoles than 360 to just level the playing field, never mind pull ahead. It's doable, but they need to do more than just keep side stepping the issue.
    Edited by metalnut at 20/03/09 @ 17:13

  • smelly #25 3 years ago


    one of th reasons the wii is succesful, is it plays right out of the box.. you dont even need to buy a game for it - you get a free one included... no need to buy wifi, etc etc..

    So i can see his point.. but ONLY if the price was $200 less...

    Still.. In England - a country still populated by chav scum - people like bling still - so more expensive = more betterer.. so they'll always buy the more expensive versions of anything...

  • Goodfella #26 3 years ago

    Jesus, they'll reduce the price when they're ready, not when you say so. They need to work on making it cheaper to manufacture first. I like how SOny have to do this and SOny have to do that, people conveniently forgetting they're a year behind what MS were able to do (price cuts etc). It takes time to do all this.

    @ Swede, no Blu rays do not cost from 50% to 300% more than their DVD counterparts. For example...

    [link url=http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/7954876/Wall-E/Product.html
    ]http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/7954876/W...[/link]

    [link url=http://www.play.com/DVD/Blu-ray/4-/6035121/Wall-E/Product.html
    ]http://www.play.com/DVD/Blu-ray/4-/60351...[/link]

    I wish people would stop spreading bollocks around the internet.



  • smelly #27 3 years ago

    "I've had one RROD experience in three years of being a 360 owner and it was sorted very quickly. "


    You're lucky.. i've had 7, each one took about 3 weeks to replace in total.

    Problem was they kept sending me back "reconditioned" models... i.e. ones which were already fucked

  • MistaLarge #28 3 years ago

    @coin-op Why not edit your original post instead of repeating yourself? Because no-one was listening perhaps? RROD might be an inconvenience, but since MS repair it for free, it's not that big a deal. And if you really must insist that it is a big deal, then that what does that say about the PS3, being outsold by "unreliable hardware"?

    Personally, I'm looking forward to continue playing my 360 games on the next Xbox, since at least MS can get backwards compatibility to work with their "unreliable hardware".

  • smelly #29 3 years ago

    >Jesus, they'll reduce the price when they're ready, not when you say so.

    Yes did i say different?

    I said - he has a point.. if the console was cheaper then i can see it appealing to a lot of consumers for the reasons he gave. I didnt say "he HAS to lower the price NOW .. or ELSE" did I?

    sheesh.

  • Goodfella #30 3 years ago

    Sorry, I didn't mean you. I meant all the people in general who demand it.

  • smelly #31 3 years ago

    >RROD might be an inconvenience, but since MS repair it for free, it's not that big a deal.

    I went almost 6 months without a 360 last year.. missed playing a lot of games when they first came out (thus missing online play).. And i was left with the wii as my only form of entertainment - which didnt have any decent new releases at the time.

    So i was without games.. and that made me sad.

    Sometimes i wonder if people just cry and get upset on forums because they're not enjoying the games they're playing on the sytem they seem to love so much.. My advice.. play less brown shooters - they get tired and repetitive very quickly...

  • Der_tolle_Emil #32 3 years ago

    Goodfella: If I could be bothered I could come up with a few links to Blu Ray movies that cost AT LEAST 50% more than their DVD counter parts. It's the only reason why I haven't switched to Blu Ray yet. I want BR, I do have the TV and the audio equipment for it; I just can't see myself spending that much on the movies at the moment. In the end saying that BR costs 50% more than DVD is not something that is made up, it is what you see every time you go into a store shopping for movies.

  • smelly #33 3 years ago

    Also.. sony seem to be making a heck of a lot of innovative games recently.

    We still play little big planet at work.. and noby noby boy looks ace, etc etc.

    I see games like that.. then look at whats on my 360.. and i wish i could justify to myself buying yet another games machine.. After all the shit the 360 has given me.. I wish i'd stuck with what i knew, and stuck with sony.. i certainly wont be buying the next xbox.. im going back to sony next gen

  • GamesConnoisseur #34 3 years ago

    People can clearly see through Coin-up (up with PS3 and down with X360)!

    Sure people should be annoyed with shoddy or faulty product, PS3 is not exactly free of the problems but at least Sony did well to give a better record.

    I m happy to be on record to say X360 is the best console I had to date, even with 1 RROD over the 3 long years, PS3 was the most used in term of movies until I got dedicated blu-ray player but saved by recent good exclusives.

    Either consoles is worth having, we all know PS3 will sell a lot damn more should Sony bring the price below the barrier of £200. Value for money means FUCK ALL to the consumers who are much more careful with their hard earned money. Sony is damned for not bringing down the price but also damned if they do too soon and hurt their precarious financial position.

    Once Sony can afford it, then all is possible. Until then the situation wont changes very much except for strong 'AAA' software ie FFXIII in Japan. No matter how much Sony try to blag, wont change the tides!

  • ParanoidZombie #35 3 years ago

    Ok, so according to him "global crisis" and "credit crunch" => millions of people thinking "oh man i have to choose my next gen console carefully". Abysmal.

  • smelly #36 3 years ago

    "aying that BR costs 50% more than DVD is not something that is made up, it is what you see every time you go into a store shopping for movies."


    Agree..

    Nowadays i buy dvd films.. and if i want to watch them in hi-def, my computer is wired to my 1080p tv - so i download the hidef versions (i've alrady own the dvd versions so i dont feel like i'm doing anything tooo bad by doing this).

    But personally i think hidef movies make little real difference. Hi def is GREAt for games because of the way games are drawn. For movies - the difference really is negliable unless you're watching the 2 side by side.

    The next big thing which will TRUELY alter tv's and truely need a new format for movies is when they release tv's which can do 3d without the need of glasses.. the tech is out there - but is still expensive.. when that tech is down to consumer affordable levels.. THEN we'll see a MAJOR upgrade for both gaming and movies.

    (it's no accident every other movie seems to be in 3d nowadays)

  • MistaLarge #37 3 years ago

    @smelly Unless I'm mistaken you must be an extremely special case to have your Xbox in RROD 50% of the time. I don't know of anyone personally (or read about on the net) that has suffered quite so much.

  • Darren #38 3 years ago

    @Der_tolle_Emil - If you have any sense you don't buy stuff from shops, you buy online where you typically save 10-20%. That applies to games, DVDs and BDs by the way.

  • metalnut #39 3 years ago

    "Jesus, they'll reduce the price when they're ready, not when you say so. They need to work on making it cheaper to manufacture first."

    Of course, and in the meantime consumerse will continue to buy less of them. People aren't demanding a price cut because they're petulant, it's because they're regular consumers with a budget, and the current price doesn't make them want to buy one, particularly when they're in danger of losing their jobs. Sony have their reasons for not dropping the price yet, but that's entirely a rod they made for their own back, and is absolutely not the consumers problem. It's not the job of the consumer to accommodate the supplier, quite the opposite - so complaining about price is absolutely a potential customers right, and you shouldn't get upset if they do it - after all ultimately it's the supplier that loses out. Sony's problem is that they believed they could control the market and that people would pay what they told them to pay, because years of dominance made them soft in the head. I don't have a vendetta against Sony, but I'm glad they're being taught a lesson, because no supplier should treat consumers with such disrespect as Sony have (with the whole 'Second Job' quotes and other such bollocks).

  • SEVQA #40 3 years ago

    Well RROD fanboys, the man's right!

  • kinky_mong #41 3 years ago

    The only console to have a ten year life span? I think the NES will have something to say about that.


    play less brown shooters - they get tired and repetitive very quickly...

    So do your posts mentioning "brown shooters" smelly.

  • smelly #42 3 years ago

    "Sure people should be annoyed with shoddy or faulty product, PS3 is not exactly free of the problems but at least Sony did well to give a better record."

    For the record.. i've had 7 xbox 360s die on me
    And I went through 4 ps2's (drive kept screwing up on me)
    still on the same gamecube/wii...


    .. I toyed with the idea of not writing that last line as im scared now everyone will call me a fanboy.. but i think in the case of the wii - it's still going because it gets the least use..

    So sony/microsoft both have a pretty shit record for hardware reliability.. and with bluray being new tech - i dont really trust the ps3 either long term... Mind you - with 90% (number made up) of ps3 games needing to be installed.. i dont think the blluray drive gets much use - so maybe itll be fine?

  • solidSnake04 #43 3 years ago

    its their business why do you care ?
    Aren't you happy with a PS3 ? Buy a 360, a Wii or a Gizmondo if that makes you feel better, no one is stopping you. Obviously Sony has some sort of business strategy and even if not, they still gotta say something. Were you expecting them to say go buy a 360 because we made a big mistake in spending millions to develop cell, rsx etc, and it didnt pay off ?
    come on, its expected they will always try to present a positive image about their product no matter what. OK they have been arrogant twats ,so dont buy their products if it makes you happier.

    I have both the PS3 and the Xbox360 and have found enough value on either.

  • smelly #44 3 years ago

    "@smelly Unless I'm mistaken you must be an extremely special case to have your Xbox in RROD 50% of the time. I don't know of anyone personally (or read about on the net) that has suffered quite so much."


    They kept sending me back faulty "reconditioned" models.. as opposed to new ones.

    But i think that's more the fault of the customer services than the console itself..

    Stilll i can remember the first time i took my console into the courier office.. the woman looked at it and said "ahh, another xbox - we get a lot of these"... True story.

  • MistaLarge #45 3 years ago

    @kinky_mong
    "So do your posts mentioning "brown shooters" smelly."
    LOL

  • coolbritannia #46 3 years ago

    Coin-op - ahahahaha!! you really are a moron

  • solidSnake04 #47 3 years ago

    coin-op = lol

  • smelly #48 3 years ago

    >I have both the PS3 and the Xbox360 and have found enough value on either.

    Personally i cant justify to myself buying both.. as when a game arrives i want - it tends to be on both platforms anyhows.. Fairly rare for an exclusive to come out on just one of the platforms i REALLY want.

    (with exception of mgs4 and LBP.. but 2 games arent enough to make me want to pay half a months rent on a system)

  • smelly #49 3 years ago

    If i played a lot of online games - id buy a ps3.. it'd work out cheaper in the long run

  • MasterNameless #50 3 years ago

    The same people with the same old boring, repetitive arguments, in every single console oriented thread. For god sake, are you guys this dull when you're not being keyboard warriors? And yes, I imagine you all wearing rambo headbands, typing so furiously that steam rises from your fingertips.

  • Goodfella #51 3 years ago

    @metalnut

    How is it a consumers right to demand a price reduction just because they can't afford a luxury item? Simple, don't buy it until it's cheaper. Hey let's all demand Aston Martin reduce the cost of their latest model because it's too expensive.

    Lol, priceless.

  • SEVQA #52 3 years ago

    Let's not forget children Microsoft shelled out 1 billion dollars to fix their little problem! whereas Sony haven't had to because the failure rate is what would be expected (rare) and not an ( regular and continued) annoyance.

  • MistaLarge #53 3 years ago

    Believe me, I'm not advocating RROD! I just think that the success of the 360 despite it says a lot for the console. I don't think the original Xbox would have survived such a problem, simply because it wasn't all that .I have no doubt however, that if the next Xbox suffers a similar problem, MS will have big trouble on their hands.

  • TRUTH #54 3 years ago

    Killzone 2 is sooooooo overrated in gameplay, graphics ?...It shows me nothing that's beyomd Cod 4, GoW, Bioshock etc etc...It's extremely liner, mostly static and full of corridors & box shaped rooms - all the good scenes of action is set pieces!...As for blu-ray - I just buy standard dvd's for far less and let my Pioneer blu player upgrade the them to 1080p - you won't even bother paying the extra price for BR disc. PS3 is just a sub standard BR player too!

  • MasterNameless #55 3 years ago

    "How is it a consumers right to demand a price reduction just because they can't afford a luxury item? Simple, don't buy it until it's cheaper. Hey let's all demand Aston Martin reduce the cost of their latest model because it's too expensive. "

    Funnily enough... if no-one bought an Aston Martin, guess what? They'd have to reduce the price. There are enough Aston fanboys out there for it to sell at a profit though, regardless whether it's the best car at that price range. Seeing a similarity yet?

    Not taking sides though, I enjoy games on both consoles, I just like picking holes in silly arguments. Plus, I have nothing better do in the last ten minutes of work. :)
    Edited by MasterNameless at 20/03/09 @ 17:57

  • ronuds #56 3 years ago

    Whenever Sony says something stupid, the debate always turns into one about RRoD. How is that? Why not talk about the PS3, which actually relates to the topic of the article? lol

  • ronuds #57 3 years ago

    @Goodfella
    "I wish people would stop spreading bollocks around the internet."

    Irony overload!!!!

  • SEVQA #58 3 years ago

    @MistaLarge The original Xbox build was far more superior to the 360's bar maybe certain DVD drive skew's and the fact that the 360 is more popular says nothing for console other than very good marketing, exclusives and a loyal fan base who are willing to accept a products failing on them more than once!

    If the 360 was an aeroplane they’d be one crashed down the end of every street.

  • Goodfella #59 3 years ago

    @Masternameless

    Yeah but people will buy the PS3 at it's current price, it's not selling too badly at all considering. Then, when the price is reduced even more people will buy it. Like Sony siad, 10 year plan and all that. ;)

  • ParanoidZombie #60 3 years ago

    @goodfella: yes, but aston martin doesn't want/need to sell 150M of their most expensive car. If you want to go mass market, you need to sell your product at a price people are willing to pay.

    LOL, priceless.

  • MistaLarge #61 3 years ago

    @ronuds Just thinking the same thing myself. The reason I read this article was because of Sony rep's ludicrous comments. I'm surprised Ferrari haven't made a similar press release telling people that they have the ideal credit crunch product since they hold their value more than other makes!

  • solidSnake04 #62 3 years ago

    @smelly
    the point isn't on being able or not to afford either or a justification to buy either. The point is that both consoles DO have value. Anyone can live with either.
    As a matter of fact I got the PS3 first would always buy it regardless of how good the 360 is. Why ? Because I bought it with Metal Gear and a couple of other games in mind. Thats all. Today we have great titles and some more to come.

    And good point you mentioned. These days most games go multiplatform. Both set of fans win.
    To be honest I didnt buy a 360 for any exclusive. Just bought it to play COD4 with my mates.

  • Goodfella #63 3 years ago

    @ronuds

    Pray tell what untruths have I been spreading in this thread, I'd love to hear it?

  • MistaLarge #64 3 years ago

    @SEVQA

    "the fact that the 360 is more popular says nothing for console other than very good marketing, exclusives and a loyal fan base who are willing to accept a products failing on them more than once!"

    Yes silly me. 360 has good marketing, good games and lots of customers. Perhaps you should be a Sony exec since you are so good at arguing against logic?

  • solidSnake04 #65 3 years ago

    @TRUTH
    Killzone 2 is in a different league regarding graphics. As a matter of fact I just bought it and I am playing right now.
    I also own Gears 1&2, COD4, Bioshock and other awesome games.
    Still, Killzone 2 if anything else, its a piece of technical brilliance. From graphics, to AI, to audio. I still think COD4 is the greatest FPS ever created(single player and online), except its single player campaign is short but thats MY opinion.
    Edited by solidSnake04 at 20/03/09 @ 18:01

  • Goodfella #66 3 years ago

    @ParanoidZombie

    Like I said, Sony eventually will reduce the price so it's a more attractive purchase. Why do they have to do it right now?

    Lol, priceless.

  • bad09 #67 3 years ago

    "Also, if I'm still playing PS3 in 10 years I'll be fucking pissed! Can you imagine still playing Playstation 1? "

    Eh? game wise PS1 is what I mostly play on the PS3 at the mo :)

    / buys SH1

  • Xerx3s #68 3 years ago

    ...

    o_o


    ...

  • MasterNameless #69 3 years ago

    Plus, that 10 year plan seems quite harmful to their customers when put that way... I was hoping it would be more of a support thing, not just so Sony could justify ripping people off for a few years first!

    I bought one though, but it does irk me a little I admit. It really hasn't seen anywhere near as much play time as my 360 and is a lot more expensive!

    Anyway, not getting dragged into this bloody archaic argument. I'm off to the pub!
    Edited by MasterNameless at 20/03/09 @ 18:03

  • ronuds #70 3 years ago

    @goodfella

    Well, half of what you've said here first of all. Then remember, I believe it was yesterday, when you said "if you do your research you'll find that the PS3 has more high-rated exclusives than the 360". I'd call that spreading bollocks.

    But why can't we talk about the PS3 and the PR nightmare that is Sony? I don't understand? The only people who go for this stuff are PS3 fanboys - everybody else with half a brain knows they're completely full of shit.

    The most notable comment that's full of shit is about how they're trying to be profitable while the others are only trying to sell consoles at any cost. Ummm, jackass, Sony is the only gaming division losing money hand over fist.

  • MasterNameless #71 3 years ago

    @Xerx3s

    Damn... that's a much better way of expressing disbelief without getting dragged in. Curse the few beers I had at lunch! /o\

    edit: drunken typos :/
    Edited by MasterNameless at 20/03/09 @ 18:04

  • solidSnake04 #72 3 years ago

    @bad09

    Are you mad ? To this day SH1 is the game that scared me the most. I played it for only a couple of hours and gave up. Bought SH2 and SH3 but never managed to play the bastards. They're scary games

  • ronuds #73 3 years ago

    @Goodfella

    Ohhh, I see what you did there. I just re-read your comment.

    "Pray tell what untruths have I been spreading in this thread, I'd love to hear it?"

    IN THIS THREAD, you say. Good show! :p

  • drumbaby #74 3 years ago

    "not one person will believe you until you prove it. "

    Well they did...twice before. Or maybe you mean you can't prove the PS3's 10 year cycle...until its 10th year? :)

  • bad09 #75 3 years ago

    "Are you mad? To this day SH1 is the game that scared me the most. I played it for only a couple of hours and gave up. Bought SH2 and SH3 but never managed to play the bastards. They're scary games"

    I love it! Mrs bad09 tells me I'm sick because I like scary/gory horror games. I doubt SH1 will be very scary these days, but played SH2 just before I got Homecoming, still creepy as hell!

  • IneptPercy #76 3 years ago

    I love the whole "at this point the 360 had sold less" argument...

    How does that work, the market it based on current market share, to which the 360 is ahead, its doesn't matter who released what and when, just how many they have got out there now.

    Game developers aren't going to switch to the PS3 because it has a smaller base but its bigger than the 360 2 years ago...

    As for the whole value argument, well as far as games consoles go:

    360
    £130
    loads of games
    good exclusives
    better multi platform

    PS3
    £300
    loads of games
    good exclusives
    worse multi platform

    Fair enough if you start adding none gaming parts into it and you want those parts then the PS3 does look to be good value, but if you just want to play games there is no competition.

  • canIdoyabombsforya #77 3 years ago

    Goodfella LOL

    He Picks the most expensive DVD for comparisons. truth is a lot of us are still *adding* to our DVD collecton for £2.99-£4.99. Ive rented a few Blu-rays and still waiting for decent prices at retail, even then no point in replacing the DVDs before the next scam.

    Blu-ray failed big time in 2008, these bullshitters wanted 50% of the market and got between 4-6% depending on whose stats you read. Us PS3 owners are expected to pay for the 500million Sony paid studios to be single format, then they hae the cheek to say they give consumers what they want.

  • butler` #78 3 years ago

    Blueray....... value......... lol

  • Psychotext #79 3 years ago

    I love this 10 year lifecycle bollocks. They hadn't even thought of it before the PS3 was announced (a jaffa cake for anyone that finds a reference to it prior to the PS3 announcement) and as for being the first company to do it...

    The NES was on sale for 12 years, the SNES was on sale for 13 years.

  • ShinMegami08 #80 3 years ago

    Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo should bring out a console together. No more fanboy-wars!!! That would be really nice.

    Everybody please remember: Only through the competition of both do we get really good stuff. A monopoly of one enterprise would be the worst scenario.

  • Xerx3s #81 3 years ago

    "Damn... that's a much better way of expressing disbelief without getting dragged in. Curse the few beers I had at lunch! /o\ "

    Yeah, even I have my standards. Better not lower yourself to some of the comments going around this. Not to mention the cause.

  • des #82 3 years ago

    Sony has totally lost it.

    At least he didn't say that Sony is the leader from the back.
    And Hypezone 2 turned out to be a dud.

    Time to hype something else...

  • ShinMegami08 #83 3 years ago

    The "10 year life cycle" is not so hypothetical.

    PS1: 1994-2006 (discontinued)
    PS2: 2000-2010? (still selling)
    PSP: 2005-2011? (still selling)
    PS3: 2006-2016? (still selling)

    So the PS1 has been produced for twelve years, the PS2 will soon have a 10 year birthday and the PSP is in its fourth year. What makes you think the PS3 will not be supported till 2016?

  • Kengro #84 3 years ago

    Hmm. The guy is full of shit, my Ps3 has been worse than my 360. My 360 has only died once but my Ps3 have been away with a faulty blu-ray drive 2 times, so i'm not happy with Sony, not at all

  • ronuds #85 3 years ago

    "So the PS1 has been produced for twelve years, the PS2 will soon have a 10 year birthday and the PSP is in its fourth year. What makes you think the PS3 will not be supported till 2016?"

    Although those consoles enjoyed much better success, I don't doubt Sony will be making PS3's in 2016. It's the rest of the stuff he said that is complete bullshit.

    And who's to say the Wii or 360 won't have 10-year lifecycles too? Then what's Sony's big claim to fame going to be? I could easily see the 360 going for 10 years in a similar scenario to the PS2 last gen.

  • secombe #86 3 years ago

    Sony have to keep batting this "value" thing into our faces, as they can't reduce the price of the console much without bankrupting themselves. Realistically they've already taken at least the hit of a large price drop already with the way the Yen is, even taking into account the reduced manufacturing costs I very much doubt that the increase in relative costs is anywhere near covering that.

    If anything they are probably absolutely desperate to raise the price.

  • bad09 #87 3 years ago

    @CountFapula

    I liked Homecoming, it was a real struggle to get interested at first but I stuck with and it proved quite enjoyable. Not a classic but solid.

  • Royal Fool #88 3 years ago

    Holy hell, these guys never know when to keep their damn mouths shut.

  • ronuds #89 3 years ago

    "Unless you're retarded too. Think about it.... getting retards to market to retards... Genius!"

    Judging by how most Sony fanboys act...that sounds about right. :p

    They take every topic and turn it into an RRoD war. Doesn't matter what it's about - RRoD is going to be mentioned.

  • maximusfarticus #90 3 years ago

    @ronuds

    Thats because we find it hysterically funny that anyone would buy something as unreliable as a 360 and then brag about their own stupidity.

    By the way, I've got a broken old TV up in my loft if you want to buy it. It's a lot cheaper than one that works. Let me know if you're interested.
    Edited by maximusfarticus at 20/03/09 @ 20:20

  • Goodfella #91 3 years ago

    @ronuds

    Right, and you're completely on the fence. Funny how you're there in every thread, ala Farticus, slagging off the PS3 at every opportunity. Look in 360 related threads, you won't find me there slating it because that would be very childish. Go on, check my post history.
    Edited by Goodfella at 20/03/09 @ 20:26

  • Ryze #92 3 years ago

    no it doesn't. keep that up and i'll spend my ps3 money on 360 games and accessories out of spite.

    I don't yet have:

    - 360 wheel
    - wireless headset

    plus a load of games. keep pissing off gamers, sony.

  • ronuds #93 3 years ago

    Awww, sour grapes. Your only option is to attack rather than come up with a good defence. Which doesn't say much for the product(s) you love so much.

    I only slate the PS3 when it deserves slating - and I do the same to MS and the 360 when they deserve it.
    Edited by ronuds at 20/03/09 @ 20:40

  • Goodfella #94 3 years ago

    Attack, I think not, just stating the obvious. Defend what? why would I defend an inanimate object? You're always there, desperately trying to make the PS3/Sony look shit. It's pretty juvenile.

    I'm happy to play my PS3, 360, DS and PSP (not so much the Wii),as they all offer great games and features and I don't feel the need to constantly deride either one or the company who makes them.
    Edited by Goodfella at 20/03/09 @ 20:46

  • smernicki #95 3 years ago

    i'm sorry but what the fuck?

    a bunch of fucking marketing PR shite

    fuck right off sony you aids cunts

  • TRUTH #96 3 years ago

    Seriously! I thought Killzone 2 will be the game that will put other fps to shame - but the graphics simply do not surpass games already out there...Where exactly in the game does KZ surpass anything ?...I may only be on the 10th level, but, all I've seen is corridors & square rooms with approx at maximum of 10 characters (if that!) that inc your dumb re-spawning ai along your side!...The tank level is just a joke, the robot droid is just a silly-follow the narrow liner path and simply shoot at the tiny targets from A to B. The best explosions are set pieces that happen in realtime but don't involve you as you can't go that area eg: the lift section when the Hellgiest break in on section 7 or 8 of the game.

    The ai is nowhere as good as Halo or F.E.A.R 2 (which i'm playing now too on Ps3)...as in Halo they do so much more then just hide & run around/cover/peak over usually boxes/pillers and shoot...In KZ 2 - Do they get into vehicles ? Do they run vehicles into you or jump on to drag you off - as you can ? Do they command and co-ordinate attacks differently if the commander/leader is killed ? Do they change weapons or take to gun turrents when needed (not scriped as in KZ)? can they run scared ? ..etc etc...The answer for KZ 2 is 'NO'...The may have good ai, but nothing that hasn't been seen before. F.E.A.R 2 actually is more convincing and more flexible to fit in to use the environment.

    This so-far has just been a fairly liner fps, with the main highlights being the set pieces. The enemy ai game characters have only seen 4 different types: The flying robots (just aim and shoot,not much of a threat), the fat minigun hellgiest (shoot at head then back - not difficult to kill, the controls feel to light clumsy making it actually more luck then skill on occasions to aim right!), the 2 main Helligest the gunner and knife fella - generally they the only ones to put any ai in battles.

    For PS3 a 4yrs development (remember it was 1st shown in early 2005 as showcase for the potential of the cell), all this game is a very liner fps it does not surpass anything. It may be very polished, but not like many PS3 fanboys are claiming. Oh! haven't played online yet ? but I'm sure that will be better then the single player.
    Edited by TRUTH at 20/03/09 @ 21:16

  • Goodfella #97 3 years ago

    Impressive, TRUTH must have spent the entire day typing that out and still can't spell linear. Bless.
    Edited by Goodfella at 20/03/09 @ 20:58

  • ronuds #98 3 years ago

    "You're always there, desperately trying to make the PS3/Sony look shit. It's pretty juvenile.

    I'm happy to play my PS3, 360, DS and PSP (not so much the Wii),as they all offer great games and features and I don't feel the need to constantly deride either one or the company who makes them."

    I don't have to try that hard to make Sony and the PS3 look shit, tbh. They do that pretty well on their own. I'm glad to lend a helping hand where I can, though.

    RE: 2nd comment - I'm glad for you.

  • Goodfella #99 3 years ago

    I don't have to try that hard to make Sony and the PS3 look shit, tbh.

    If you say so, frankly your opinion is meaningless on the grand scale of things. I'm sure Sony really aren't bothered by your comment because you only speak for a small minority of strangely deluded console fanboys.

  • smelly #100 3 years ago

    @IneptPercy:

    > 360 - £130

    Come on.. it's not like you can actually DO anything with the 130 quid system is it.. Come on, compare apples to apples here at least and put the price of the one with hdisk.


    >PS3 - worse multi platform

    Normally has a few pixels slightly different - which you wouldnt notice unless you compared side by side..

    Again.. Come on.

    They're both as good as each other.. If i didnt already have a 360 - i'd be more tempted by the ps3 because it has more exclusives i personally want to play.. But not enoguh to buy a 3rd machine..

  • wayneh #101 3 years ago

    @TRUTH

    Pretty much agree with your comments there I thought KZ2 was very 'meh' and nothing special at all, compared to the AI on Halo and after what was promised it's very disappointing.

    I have been very disappointed with my PS3 so far and get fed up with Sony spouting constant bollocks about how it will get better. I want it better now so I can play all the PS3 exclusives that were promised because at the moment all I play is the 360. As for Blu-ray if and when the discs come down to the same price as a DVD I'll start buying them because my eyes can barely tell the difference.

  • Goodfella #102 3 years ago

    I have all three consoles, the 360 still gets the majority of my gaming time, PS3 for media, and wii for a fun blast every now and then.

    Good for you, nice that you enjoy it. Thing is, that doesn't actually mean diddly squat as that comment can easily be reversed by any number of people who prefer the PS3. So your point is pretty much meaningless.

  • Ryze #103 3 years ago

    SDF Goodfella's out in force, earning his SonyStripes tonight.


    Oh shit Smelly - you can't do anything with the 130 quid console, except - play any fucking retail 360 game you like on it.

    What the fuck is wrong with some of these people's DNA? Did your mum give birth standing up or something? Squashed brain?

    Christ's sake.

    /removes hdd and loads RE5
    Edited by Ryze at 20/03/09 @ 21:15

  • ronuds #104 3 years ago

    "If you say so, frankly your opinion is meaningless on the grand scale of things. I'm sure Sony really aren't bothered by your comment because you only speak for a small minority of strangely deluded console fanboys."

    Shit, seriously? I thought everyone at Sony was awaiting each and every one of my comments with baited breath. All this time and energy I've waisted for nothing!!! Fuuuuuuuuuuuck!



  • Goodfella #105 3 years ago

    Not at all Ryze, as said just trying to get some balance here from the usual 360 fanatics. When you see me slagging off the 360 feel free to accuse me of being some sort of sad act Sony fanboy.

  • ronuds #106 3 years ago

    Goodfella, you're what they call a "stealth" fanboy. You come off all high and mighty like you're trying to protect the integrity of gaming, and it's funny how you claim to play and love all 3 consoles equally - but when do you say anything good about MS or the 360? Many comments from you are some defence of the PS3 vs. 360 in which you try to show the former to be superior.

    Like your "if you did any research, you'd find there are more high-rated PS3 exclusives than 360". Those are very see-through comments. Being it's fairly far from being actual truth, why would someone say such a thing unless they had a certain love or affilliation to one "inanimate object" over another? And why is it "xbot" this or "xbox fanboy" that - when there are clearly just as many PS3 fanboys commenting and saying dumb things? Why not call them out as well?

    Stealth...that's why.

  • Goodfella #107 3 years ago

    Why does it bother you so much what my activities are on here?

    I see a daily onslaught of moronic attacks on the PS3 here and I just wonder why, seriously why?

    I don't claim to play and love all 3 consoles (whatever your definition of 3 consoles is), I said I like the PS3, 360, DS and PSP (PC too as it happens). No a claim, just a simple fact. Not too hard to comprehend really is it?
    Edited by Goodfella at 20/03/09 @ 21:26

  • polar #108 3 years ago

    Worst PR crap I've heard in a long time.

  • ronuds #109 3 years ago

    lol - I'm "bothered" by your activities here? I know 1 thing you said because I happened to be commenting at the time. I have no idea what you've done or said otherwise, and frankly couldn't care less either.

    Saying "I like the competitor's console" is a way of trying to cover up your fanboy-ish-ness. It's ok, you're not the first.

    From now on, though, you should try saying good things about MS and the 360. I think you'll find there are as many PS3 fanboys trying to put it down as there are 360 fanboys doing the opposite.

    I'll say something nice about Sony to start it off: I like the name, Sony. I have 2 Trinitrons and a Sony DVD player.

  • Goodfella #110 3 years ago

    I like Windows 7 beta, happy?

  • DjFlex52 #111 3 years ago

    Goodfella, you just got pwned by ronuds :)
    Goodfella couldn't contest your assessment of his usual biased comments, ronuds, so he asks you why does it bother you instead.

    Goodfella?? You should have just said that you, instead of Metacritic or GameRanking reviews, rated PS3 games higher than 360 games and you wouldn't have sounded like a fanboy because everyone knows that the 360 has more high rated games ;-)

  • ronuds #112 3 years ago

    "I like Windows 7 beta, happy?"

    I suppose that'll do....

    for now!

  • ronuds #113 3 years ago

    There are far worse comments than what Goodfella has to say, but I see the forest for the trees.

  • Goodfella #114 3 years ago

    What kind of HDTV do you have that doesn't have an HDMI port?

    That's the kind of bollocks I'm on about, people will use anything to discredit the PS3, it's laughable.

  • ronuds #115 3 years ago

    I don't think he has an HDTV at all, right?

    But older HDTV's didn't have HDMI. "Older" being only a few years ago.

  • Goodfella #116 3 years ago

    Point is, why slag off Sony for that? I bet it still has a scart socket so he can still use the PS3 (and it still looks good as I had a CRT TV when I got the PS3)

  • JonFE #117 3 years ago

    Assuming he actually has a HDMI-less HDTV (which may be true or not, but humour me for a while), the point is, my dear Goodfella, that SCART does not support HD resolutions, whereas a VGA lead does. By not offering a choice on leads for the PS3 (as MS does for the x360), Sony is denying him HD gaming (you know, the kind that does not start until Sony says so :). Stating that much is not actually slagging off Sony, it's just stating facts. What's wrong with that?
    Edited by JonFE at 20/03/09 @ 22:24

  • curtlikesmeat #118 3 years ago

    Does sound a little desperate - I own a 360 and am tempted to buy a PS3 for Little Big Planet and the upcoming Final Fantasy game, but most of what he says doesn't concern me. If I didn't own a console and was going to buy one I'd still buy a 360 first, it has a superior catalogue of games at the moment. Saying the PS3 will be about for the next 10 years is kind of pointless - Microsoft could have released two consoles in that time which would surely blow the PS3 away in technical terms.

    Also, about Blue Ray - as someone else mentioned, I buy DVDs six months after they've been released for 3-5 UK pounds, I'm in no hurry to switch to a format where they're four or five times that price (which is also, as I see it, a very marginal increase in quality, it's certainly not on the same scale as VHS to DVD was).

    Someone said they have gone through 7 360s - I guess I was just lucky, I got mine straight after release in the UK and it's still going strong touch wood. That does worry me though as every now and then I like to get out an old console and have a go on it - I can just see myself wanting to play a 360 game ten years down the line and it breaking after support has been discontinued.

    (Incidently I'll probably end up buying a new PC instead of a PS3).

  • SEVQA #119 3 years ago

    @MistaLarge and all you other RRoD fanboys

    The 360 equates to damaged goods the day you buy it! Microsoft admitted it when they shelled out to get their goods fixed.

    What’s illogical about not wanting a piece of shXt box360.

  • wayneh #120 3 years ago

    @SEVQA Thankyou for contributing with your highly informed, totally non-biased and overall witty posts. Keep up the good work fella, we all bow to your superior knowledge and wit.

  • Spekingur #121 3 years ago

    Even if my X360 would RROD (hasn't so far, knock on wood) at least it looks nice while doing so. It looks evil. Like HAL.

    Also, with these recent interview comments from Sony Execs and PR people one almost just assumes that they live in some special fantasy manga world - since the world is almost always effed up in some weird way in them manga worlds.

    Obviously them Sony folks are gods in eyes of some. One must not speak a bad word about these gods or their creation lest you be banished to HELLS! Or something. Here are some equations. Sony is Japanese. Japanese people have weird TV Shows. PS3 must thus be weird! Right?

    This console war will be awesome when EA makes their debut on it.

    I hope you have enjoyed this random combination of sentences made by the really nice alien that really doesn't want to take over the world that is currently controlling my body, thought and possibly other bits.
    Edited by Spekingur at 20/03/09 @ 23:56

  • maximusfarticus #122 3 years ago

    @Goodfella

    Don't give in mate! Get a Mac or a PC running Linux. Everyone knows that anything Microsoft touches is a huge pile of rancid, virus ridden shit and that includes Windows 7!

  • maximusfarticus #123 3 years ago

    You need to get a decent TV mate.

  • KreyAtiv #124 3 years ago

    I think they are deluding themselves. Blu-Ray is quite expensive. I mean if you see two films on sale, one on the run of the mill DVD, the other on Blu-Ray and you are on a budget you are going to go for the much cheaper DVD, or perhaps it is just me.
    Unless they are doing a deal such as buy two Blu-Ray movies get one free, or two for what would be the price of one Blu-Ray disc.

  • maximusfarticus #125 3 years ago

    @KreyAtiv

    Fuck me, I nearly fell asleep reading that! Did you have a point or do you just enjoy waffling on about nothing?

  • Spekingur #126 3 years ago

    Get back under your bridge, maximusfarticus.

  • zzyzx #127 3 years ago

    "Sony have to keep batting this "value" thing into our faces, as they can't reduce the price of the console much without bankrupting themselves. Realistically they've already taken at least the hit of a large price drop already with the way the Yen is, even taking into account the reduced manufacturing costs I very much doubt that the increase in relative costs is anywhere near covering that.

    If anything they are probably absolutely desperate to raise the price. "

    Good point. Exchange rates being what they are, Sony would probably kill to be able to follow in Ninty's footsteps (increasing price to retailers). The fact that they haven't is probably all the price cut we're going to get. Maybe when (if?) the yen stops beating the dollar and pound into submission Sony actually will drop prices.

  • El-Dev #128 3 years ago

    "My TV is a Hitachi 32PD3200 plasma. It supports up to 480p through component and 720p through VGA. So no chance of hi-def gaming from the PS3 on that set, whereas the 360 looks lovely in VGA at 720p (ish) thank you very much."

    Yep, worst TV ever.

    I have a 19" LG plasma, don't know the code number, which displays 1080p. My PS3 games look delightful on it through a HDMI cable. Including the Eurogamer.net game of the year for 2008. And also, all my 3 blu-rays!

  • SniperZoz #129 3 years ago

    Delusional!

  • Xerx3s #130 3 years ago

    "What’s illogical about not wanting a piece of shXt box360. "

    Wow, that's....sad. It's not even a remotely logical choice. I mean, you must have a peanut brain to come up with that. Seriously people, get a grip. Read your comments out loud and go stand in the corner and have some shame.

  • peterfll #131 3 years ago

    The power of the Cell processor will save the world from recession.

  • AusFreelancer #132 3 years ago

    peterfll - "The power of the Cell processor will save the world from recession. "

    Not before the power of the 360 deafens and over-heats the world to oblivion. Sorry.

  • Collymilad #133 3 years ago

    Oh my god.

    Sony really have lost it. It's hilarious.

    "Our overly expensive piece of shit is going to be the centerpiece for this financially ruined decade"

    GRIP GET.

    I'd like to know how PS3 is the best value too? It makes me laugh every time, because Sony and their fanboys all assume that everyone on earth wants a blu-ray player. How do they work this out? Hate to break it to you all, but some people don't give a shit about blu-ray right now and many wont in the near future either. At the end of the day this is a GAMING website, so if we're talking about value let's focus on game-related value, you know, since they are both primarly games consoles. Still the best value? Didn't think so. Considering the price of stand-alone players has dropped a lot too, they are pretty much screwed.

    I wish Sony would just can it, I'm gonna die from laughing soon.


    "I have a 19" LG plasma, don't know the code number, which displays 1080p. My PS3 games look delightful on it through a HDMI cable. Including the Eurogamer.net game of the year for 2008. And also, all my 3 blu-rays!"

    Yep, most pointless 1080p support on a TV ever, LAWL.
    Edited by Collymilad at 21/03/09 @ 10:27

  • canIdoyabombsforya #134 3 years ago

    "Why does it bother you so much what my activities are on here?

    I see a daily onslaught of moronic attacks on the PS3 here and I just wonder why, seriously why? "

    Because sony fucking lied about what they were going to sell us, isn't that good enough? Or you honestly think they are selling us what we want, like their marketing and roach baiting, fake websites tell us ? Sony have just proved they shouldn't be in the video gaming business. But hey, if there are enough of us retards prepared to pay £465 for a PS3 and Motorstorm for the next great experience.....I just can't see them getting away with another proprietary format and another overhyped jump in graphical power next tme around. The best thing about this generation turned out to be cheap large screen progressive scan TVs. As proved by switching REZ between HD and SD mode on XBLA.

  • bluem4gic #135 3 years ago

    Wii is constantly off, madworld may get purchased. But not sure if I want to give my former employer any money

    360 no longer played. I am not renewing my subscription for the fourth time. Got alot of friends on 360 but they are not worth the effort. If all they play is gaylo

    PS3 gets played on and used as a media center more now as its free to play online and works really well with recent releases like SFIV and Resident Evil 5 but its not no XBLIVE but i dont mind that

    But the machine that gets used the most for gaming is my PC, because hey in this current recession. It by far the cheapest platform to buy games for

  • Kojima100 #136 3 years ago

    sony should've realised by now that spreading bs like this don't make people buy their console. (anymore)
    Edited by Kojima100 at 21/03/09 @ 11:01

  • #137 3 years ago

    The comment section is funny. Some 'guy' posts some rubbish and look at all the kids scrambling to their keyboards to shoot their venom.

    Seriously get a fucking life. Who cares what he or some cunt from MS says?

    @canIdoyabombsforya

    Sony lied to us! Seriously who the fuck are you?
    Edited by at 21/03/09 @ 11:08

  • Rash' #138 3 years ago

    The real stupidity in this thread is people think he actually believes what he's saying. There's the public line and private line in business yet fanboys' stupidity allows them to believe the two are one and the same.

    Of course EG knows this...
    Edited by Rash' at 21/03/09 @ 11:46

  • metalnut #139 3 years ago

    @Goodfella "How is it a consumers right to demand a price reduction just because they can't afford a luxury item? Simple, don't buy it until it's cheaper. Hey let's all demand Aston Martin reduce the cost of their latest model because it's too expensive."

    You're seriously comparing a PS3 to an Aston Martin? :) An Aston Martin is a luxury status symbol, massively overpriced because they're custom built for a small slice of the market that values elitism and doesn't care how it has to pay for it. Oh wait... ;)

    It's not a 'demand' that Sony reduce the price of the PS3, it's just a statement of fact that they're not going to catch up until they do. I don't give a toss if they do or don't personally, but the fact remains they will remain in last place until they cut. You can deny that all you want, and say that Sony are free to do it when they want - and that's entirely true. But, I guarantee they will remain in last place in the current economic climate with that approach. They will start to make a profit finally, which is good for them, but their market share will be a pale shadow of its former self. The execs (and fanboys) can pretend they don't care about that, that they're marketing the PS3 as an exclusive luxury product now, but everyone knows they learned a hard lesson this generation.

    Edit: oh, and I'm one of the hold-outs for a price cut as it happens. I bought a 360 when the games balance was still very much in that console's favour - now it's far more balanced of course but I just can't justify the price Sony are asking for a 2nd console, since I haven't exactly run out of games to play yet (but would still like LBP and a couple of others). For now, I play on a friends PS3 and would only consider picking one up for myself if the price was lower. That's not a 'demand', it's just a fact - I'm not that bothered if I have to wait another 12-18 months to catch up with the PS3 if that's what it takes, I was late to the 360 anyway and it's nice to have lots of games to choose from. The only one losing out here is Sony, since by the time I pick it up I'll probably have lots of games to borrow from friends & buy cheap on eBay rather than buying them new, where they make the most money.
    Edited by metalnut at 21/03/09 @ 12:02

  • Rodchenko #140 3 years ago

    The power of the Cell processor will save the world from recession.

    and the power of the [^EG*]PS3Thread-AssaultSquad will certainly save people from buying PS3s.
    Speaking of: where is Sergeant farticusmaximus?

  • Ferral #141 3 years ago

    One of the reasons I got a PS3 was because it has Wi Fi and Blu Ray built in straight from the box. Also having the exclusives gives a wider scope when it comes to games. Then on top of that, managing to setup the media server wirelessley is great. I really wish Microsoft would do the same with future generations of the 360. Currently to get online I have to move my router to the front room to update games and update the dash, also they REALLY should include larger hard drives as standard now that you can install games on it.

    I love both of the systems, currently playing through PGR4, GoW 2 and Fallout 3 on my 360 and on the PS3 it is Resistance, Killzone 2 and Dead Space. Like I said though, I personally think that Wi Fi and a bigger hard drive is needed out of the 360's box.

    Finally not forgetting, online play on the PS3 is free. I'm not an online gamer but its nice to be able to do it casually now and again without having to pay for it.
    Edited by Ferral at 21/03/09 @ 12:25

  • shotgun44 #142 3 years ago

    I like both my consoles! I like PS3 exclusives better but I think the Xbox exclusives are also excellent. I think micrcsoft is going to have problems next gen with wary consumers cautious that their XBox 720 isn't going to blow up 6 months in. Maybe next time they'll test the thing before launch...

    I don't see why anyone cares who owns what. If you're that insecure, stay off the internet, someone is going to disagree with your choices. I'm just annoyed I don't have a DS, I want GTA:CW bad!

  • Moxyz1 #143 3 years ago

    Not when you get told you have to pay to have yor PS3 fixed .Many people will go without or with cheaper consoles 360/Wi . In this Global Crisis this will more than likely be the reali ty for Sony...I have both 360 as well fyi.

  • sopaman #144 3 years ago

    i have a ps3 but are they in denial or what? if they stopped saying bullshit and starting acting maybe things would actually be different. All I can say is Microsoft deserves all the success it's getting (as for Nintendo...)

  • IneptPercy #145 3 years ago

    I do stand by the 360 playing games for £130 as it still does, personally I have an old premium (20gb) model as I wouldn't touch the core/arcade, but if somebody just wants to play games on the cheap £130 it is. Its about choice.

    360 from £130, if you want it to do more then spend more.

    PS3 from £300, it does more if you want it to or not.

    Yes the difference in multi platform games is small, but it is still a valid argument in favour of the 360. Personally I am more of a PC gamer these days due to that same argument as they run better on my PC so even my 360 doesn't see much action these days.

    My point is if you only want to play games the PS3 isn't the best value.

  • makeamazing #146 3 years ago

    @Countmuppet.. you could also write

    evilfoxhound, so even if someone finds the games Xbox has boring, generic or just not interesting to them, they should buy it regardless because, hey it's Microsoft?

    That's retarded, and you know it.


    Stop being a fanboy... wheres your brother Farty today...?

  • Vin #147 3 years ago

    I totally believe 2008 will be the year of the SONY PLAYSTATION.

  • FladgeMangle #148 3 years ago

    The free web access on PS3 is worth mentioning too. For £299 I got a instant-boot Google, Gamefaqs, BBC iPlayer, Eurogamer platform AND a next gen games machine which is pretty good value if you ask me.

    I recently paid an extra £60 and put a 300gb HDD in it, which makes it a brilliant media hub. All my photos, music and vids in one un-hobbled-by-a-broken-OS place. Dandy!

  • FenderMaster #149 3 years ago

    Once Sony announce a £100 price cut, they'll be taking 2nd place in no time.

    Not sure why people are so negative towards the PS3, its consistenly sold more than the 360 worldwide if you align their launch dates up (2-4 million more units roughly to date?). Its going to catch up with the 360 this year unless they make another ridiculous move.


    This

    I think people are taking the media's anti PS3 propaganda (no it's not paranoia, yes it does exist, last gen it was anti "Bill Gates Box";) too seriously.

    People really need to take into account the 360's yearlong headstart too...

    Maybe I'm crazy, but I actually think that the PS3 might have a 10 year life cycle (of course the last 2-3 years will be nothing but Fifa and kids movie licences!!) It's had as good a start as the 360, but looks to have longer legs, 360's lineup this year is looking ery barren compared to PS3's...

  • Kryon #150 3 years ago

    There's really nothing I can add here, it used to be a real pleasure baiting the poor retarded SDF kiddies but it's just dull now, like kicking some kind of spasticated dog when it's been dead for the last two years, pointless...Anyway, I guess you gormless sheep will keep making excuses for the PS3, "but teh CELL", "RRoD lulz lulz lulz", "PSFREE iz teh cheep B-coz ov blooray and teh wifi init blud", "KZ2 iz so teh r3al next g3n", blah blah blah, etc...Carry on, the only people you're fooling is yourselves..

    Oh, one more thing, to those of you who blunder on telling us that the 360 has no exclusives because you've played them all on PC, good, carry on, fund MS even more, it benefits 360 owners after all.

  • makeamazing #151 3 years ago

    Seriously the only people who are going "The CELL" crap are Xbox fanboys...Most of use just like the machine/playing games... all this ongoing rubbish is just generated by the same people coming posting tripe... I'm sure it wont be long before someone mentions the PS3 has no games.

  • TRUTH #152 3 years ago

    Got a Pioneer KRP 50A (50";) plasma, and a Sony Bravia Z 46" LCD - I find the plasma so much better then the LCD in color. Also it movies/games seem to look better too.

  • patchbox360 #153 3 years ago

    just had my second rings of death - fuck microsoft

  • des #154 3 years ago

    PS3 has games??
    I thought that people use it only to watch movies and stalk girls in Home :p
    Edited by des at 21/03/09 @ 19:03

  • Rash' #155 3 years ago

    "My point is if you only want to play games the PS3 isn't the best value."

    Agreed. And the market reflects that. However the competition can't continue to drop price and Sony can. When they do regardless of what you want it for it'll offer more value for your buck.

  • Rash' #156 3 years ago

    CountFapula, if you find all PS3 games generic then you my friend are talking BS.

  • Kryon #157 3 years ago

    I'm really not surprised Sony have such poor PR guys, I mean the company is so low on cash, it's really no wonder they can't afford intelligent employees. Kaz Hirai's so poor, the only time he's smelt hot food is when Bill Gates farted on him.

  • FenderMaster #158 3 years ago

    Kryon = 360 fanboy + troll + dumbass

  • BonzoBanana #159 3 years ago

    The thing I like about the 360 is its hugely subsidised by Microsoft. It actually costs them a lot more than the ps3 because their warranty costs have been absolutely staggering but luckily they use their operating system profits to subsidise their 360 division. Not only that but its definitely the most capable of the three consoles. I've seen enough ps3 games now to know while the ps3 isn't much weaker than the 360 it is weaker and games are generally more likely to have higher frame rates and better graphics on the 360. Its a no brainer for me the most capable console at a massively subsidised price. I also own a ps3 and love it to bits. I don't own a wii yet as I don't find the software particularly good but will get one eventually. I think theres valid reasons for buying all three consoles although I personally only own two of them.

    However that said these sony pr comments are weak to say the least. It sounds like a pr spokesman who is trying to occupy media time to promote the ps3 but has nothing really positive to say to make use of such time. Sales are low, they've had to reduce the specification, a slightly upgraded gamecube with a new controller dominates the industry and the most unreliable consumer electronics item ever still sells more than them. If the ps3 doesn't have a great christmas this year its all over basically it will gradually fade away. Which is some justice considering how they hyped up the ps2 only for us to realise years later we should have stuck with the dreamcast which was miles better.

  • TheNinkyNonk #160 3 years ago

    If you love games enough to comment in a gaming thread, you should own all three consoles.

    If you don't and you're merely here 'fighting for a cause' you're a sad cock-knocker that's overdue another wank

    That is all

  • FenderMaster #161 3 years ago

    @BonzoBanana

    he most unreliable consumer electronics item ever still sells more than them.

    *sigh* the 360 isn't selling more, it just had a yearlong headstart, if you look at it on a month by month basis, or average each year that both have been out, you'll realise that they are actually selling almost exactly the same

    don't confuse sold with selling, because the 360 is most certainly not selling more.

  • Ryze #162 3 years ago

    ^bollocks

    The P$£ was delayed from an early 2006 worldwide (PR lie) launch date. The first pre-orders were placed for this date, then for November, then for the actual launch date in 2007.
    Edited by Ryze at 21/03/09 @ 22:16

  • floppylobster #163 3 years ago

    "I think when people start doing the apples-to-apples comparison, and see what PS3 can do, and see the value of Blu-ray, and what free online and free Wi-Fi with a hard drive in every box really means, it resonates,"

    “Then they look again and realise they don’t need a Blu-ray player, and they'd have to buy a new TV to get the most out if anyway. They think 'DVD quality is okay for me' and Blu-Ray discs are too expensive anyway. DVD are getting even cheaper, and I don’t want to buy movies I already own again, that's not saving money. Then they realise they also still have to pay a service provider for their internet account and need to set up Wi-Fi in their home if they want to use it. Then suddenly the PS3 is looks overpriced again and they think, 'what the fuck, if it's supposed to be here for another 10 years, I'll just wait and see'.”
    Edited by floppylobster at 21/03/09 @ 23:07

  • Mr_Bison #164 3 years ago

    10 year life... i know noone where it has lived over 2 years without breaking down

  • makeamazing #165 3 years ago

    Well i guess the people who buy Blu ray movies do... :D

    I have lots of great movies on BR, and I can tell you the quality is alot different to DVD... of course i dont buy all the films ive already got, but the films I really like i have purchased. When you see something like Zulu on DVD which is really poor and you see it on BR, seriously its massive.

  • VandelayIndustries #166 3 years ago

    DVD looks great if you're viewing it on SD TV, but when playing them through the up-scaler on 360 or PS3 on HDTV the format's flaws become very apparent. Why spend all that money on the new TV to enjoy HD gaming but put up with SD movies?

  • gareth886 #167 3 years ago

    Sony marketing stumbles from one marketing blunder to another but it's a real shame that EG has to go to such lengths to find a quote from some random "marketeer" in order to attract site traffic.

  • Graftonator #168 3 years ago

    @Mr_Bison "10 year life... i know noone where it has lived over 2 years without breaking down"

    I agree, I also don't know anyone who's had their PS3 over 2 years. Probably because the PS3 has only been out in the UK for almost exactly 2 years? (23/03/07) I'm on my 3rd xbox in this time period.

    @mrwhite "1) more expensive by 100% than the Xbox 360

    2) nobody gives a shit about BluRay Sony. Get over it. "

    1) 3rd xbox. many years of xbox live subscription. Wireless receiver. Battery packs and chargers for pads. HD-DVD add on. You do the maths! I'm not saying it wasn't worth it(except maybe hd-dvd) I'm just saying it is not cheaper!

    2) People with eyes should give a shit about bluray. I (almost) refuse to watch anything on DVD anymore!


    Having said all that, the Sony men should stop saying stupid things. They're not the market leader anymore. Although, I think the PS3 exclusives are much better than the xbox exclusives, the cross platform games all perform better on xbox. People don't care about value, they care about price.

  • Ryze #169 3 years ago

    ^ re Blu-ray - the masses aren't geeks, and many of them don't have a 37"+ screen. YET.

    When this 10 year lifespan gets to year 5, people expect it to be much cheaper (as will 50" LCDs), so they're shooting themselves in the foot expecting the masses to buy now for rip-off prices (console and blu-ray), just because Sony are going to encourage EA to release FIFA 15 on it.

    I'm more bothered by the quality of FIFA 09 vs the 360. Everyone will want the next gen consoles by the time FIFA 15 is here - but only if there is a decent pricepoint vs the experience offered. As it stands, the PS3 is a PS2 with better graphics and a network port, but wont play PS2 games.

    For PS2 owners, the 360 offers a whole new world of Xbox live play that they were without during the PS2 era, thnaks to Sony. They only have themselves to thank for anyone who jumps ship, because they fucked it on the network side AGAIN (PS2, PSP, PS3 playing serious catchup, never to match due to lack of knowhow and resources).

    Then there's the xbox compatibility - ex PS2 owners can try out the games that they missed since 2002 by getting an Xbox 360.

    The uber price conscious can either stick with their PS2s, or grab a dirt cheap xbox and get preowned games from the highstreet or from eBay. They're all there - I've got a lovely little xbox library built up since 2007.

    I was a PS2 only owner, with no reason to buy an xbox between 2002-7, who bought a PSP and got burned by Sony incompetence. The tables have now turned, as they always can in the games industry. This is what keeps things so fresh and at the bleeding edge. Everything starts again every 5 years.

    I usually plan console purchases WAAAY in advance. I knew I was getting a PSP as soon as the first real shots were released. I was disappointed at the delays to europe, while Japan were already playing the thing, and as the release date approched, I needed certain games to be announced or released for the purchase to be worthwhile. GTA did the trick, and as with my PS2 and 360, the actual purchase on the day I bought it was an impulse buy, having the4 money sat in the bank waiting to be spent.

    I should have been in the same position with the PS3, but I continually have a large and growing list of reasons not to buy it:

    - Sony shit talk and lies about the capability of the PS3
    - released specs showed a lack of memory and overly expensive components
    - no redesigned pad
    - no rumble
    - loss of exclusives
    - price
    - shit online service
    - no PS2 compatibility
    - substandard games due to console architecture and spec
    - waiting...........for...............games.............

    etc...

    That impulse purchase had not been considered at all up to WipEout HD's release, and is non-urgent until God of War III is released and reviewed. At this point, only Sony's continued buffoonery and stupidity stops me from getting the console, as it is stopping me from buying one between now and GoW.

    Sony lose out on the games sales, plain and simple.
    Edited by Ryze at 22/03/09 @ 09:33

  • Rash' #170 3 years ago

    "People don't care about value, they care about price."

    Absolutely, I think there are people that want a PS3, but not at it's current price.
    Edited by Rash' at 22/03/09 @ 11:23

  • bad09 #171 3 years ago

    Oh those of you saying "no one cares about Blu", just thought I'd say BD live players are finally now here and CHEAP, £129 I saw one for in Dixons.

    Didn't Dark Knight give it a boost to?

    Also the all important supermarkets are not only starting to stock 'em they are starting to knock 'em out CHEAP. I was looking at my local Morrisons new Blu, Saw 5 for £13 and Saw 3 for £6 yesterday, at those prices blu will take off, now we just need HMV to wake up £25-30 yeah right...

    It may be a good year for blu yet...

  • bad09 #172 3 years ago

    Oh those of you saying "no one cares about Blu", just thought I'd say BD live players are finally now here and CHEAP, £129 I saw one for in Dixons.

    Didn't Dark Knight give it a boost to?

    Also the all important supermarkets are not only starting to stock 'em they are starting to knock 'em out CHEAP. I was looking at my local Morrisons new Blu, Saw 5 for £13 and Saw 3 for £6 yesterday, at those prices blu will take off, now we just need HMV to wake up £25-30 yeah right...

    It may be a good year for blu yet...

    Edit - Besides a certain successful science fiction universe is heading to blu not only in April but at the end of the year too, a good year indeed, the BDA are rubbing their hands in eagerness.
    Edited by bad09 at 22/03/09 @ 11:26

  • Rash' #173 3 years ago

    Re: Multiplat games

    It's increasingly becoming the case that the differences in cross platform games are marginal. The anoraks and sticklers will pick holes (and yes 360 still tends to have the superior version) but ultimately to most the differences are inconsequential.

  • Ryze #174 3 years ago

    Refer to my list above for reasons not to buy a PS3. Now refer to my list of reasons not to buy a 360:

    - reliability worries

    Now, the masses don't know much about these worries, but once they learn of them, they'll also learn of the 3 year warranty.

    The other issue is, that the PS2 was just as unlreliable - the DVD drive would break and/or scratch discs, rendering the console completely useless.

    For this reason, the PS3 doesn't benefit where it comes to upgrading PS2 owners. Especiallty while the PS3 doesn't play the exisitng library of games.

    The Wii is winning due to excellent marketing, and it providing a completely new and different experience than anything that has come before it.

    PS3's only reasons to buy are a handful of exclusives, and Blu-ray films.

    Great. Then I'll wait for a price cut. And God of War III / ICO 3.

  • makeamazing #175 3 years ago

    I wouldnt say half the items on your list are good reasons why not to buy a PS3 to be honest..maybe when it first came out... but still every one has differing opinions. The reliability issue for me is understated, I hate things breaking and the hassle of sending them back or getting a 2nd hand replacement etc. I still got an Xbox, but I certainly dont use it much to worry about the reliabilty issues at the moment.

    You say the only reason not to buy an Xbox is the reliability, well there is also the asthetics, it does look poor in a living room setting, the external power block (so 80's Amiga), and I prefer the PS3 controller over the Xbox (but they both hurt my hands too easily :(

    I had about 20 PS2 games, so not a massive amount, but I wasnt that fussed about them to be honest... i think alot of people have moved on and dont really care about that as an issue now... it doesnt help that PS2 games generally do look rubbish...

    Online, well i have no issues with the online aspect of the PS3... works fine here, and I dont have gold on the Xbox, theres no way i would pay to get online, I already pay for broadband, dont agree with paying any more (it sets a very bad future precedence imho).

    I think the PS4 will have to be backward compatible and allow downloads that you have purchased to be available on the new platform though, this would be a major problem if not.

  • Kryon #176 3 years ago

    FenderMaster

    "Kryon = 360 fanboy + troll + dumbass "

    Fender, you never gave the answer to your equation, here, let me help you son:

    Kryon = 360 fanboy + troll + dumbass = FenderMaster has sex with his retarded mother twice a day while wanking over KZ2.

    CORRECT!

  • markesp #177 3 years ago

    The PS3 *is* great value! Right kids? (I'm not evil)

  • Kojima100 #178 3 years ago

    Kryon you just said that you are fendermaster and that you have sex whith youre retarted mother twice a day

  • Rash' #179 3 years ago

    CountFapula, I couldn't give a crap about what you like or dislike. Labelling PS3 games as generic is complete and utter BS. That's my issue. We've established now that that's merely your misguided opinion. Everyone is entitled to their views, however misguided they may be.

  • Ryze #180 3 years ago

    Looks like the impartial gamers and the masses are generally misguided in not being too bothered about the PS3 yet.

    /waits

  • SAH1977 #181 3 years ago

    It's embarrassing to call myself a gamer sometimes, many gamers are more interested in 'their' console 'winning' month to month, than the quality of games, profitability, and differing market strategies.

  • TRUTH #182 3 years ago

    There are rumors that PS3 will not last it's full life as Sony wanted. PS4 has quiet a few times now! been talked about. As for blu-ray, well 3d tv + higher resolutions will be with us within 3-5 yrs. Many predict that bluray is actually as stop gap before the real high def starts (as seen on pc's).

  • Goodfella #183 3 years ago

    CountFapula is the new farticus it seems. Your comments are so hilariously ridiculous it beggars belief. You can't even get the name of one of the games you're so called interested in. Heavenly Rain? lol, How about Heavy Rain?

    So basically, you think the PS3 is crap because you don't like Tomb Raider, you don't like racing games, you don't like platformers. What the fuck do you like and what the fuck is so original on the 360?

    I'm still laughing at the people who still think there are only a handful of exclsuive games on the PS3 too. How about...

    Gran Turismo
    White Knight Chronicles
    Valkyrie Profile
    Motorstorm
    Uncharted
    Killzone
    Ratchet and Clank
    Metal Gear Solid
    Heavy Rain
    inFamous
    MAG
    God of War
    Wipeout
    LBP
    Resistance
    Singstar
    Siren
    Team ICO game (whatever it may be)

    As for preferring more Wii games, if a shit version of Dead Rising, Deadly Creatures and Don King Boxing (59% average on Gamerankings) float your boat then you're more mentally challenged than I first thought, lol.
    Edited by Goodfella at 22/03/09 @ 18:13

  • TRUTH #184 3 years ago

    Seriously! I thought Killzone 2 will be the game that will put other fps to shame - but the graphics simply do not surpass games already out there...Where exactly in the game does KZ surpass anything ?...I may only be on the 10th level, but, all I've seen is corridors & square rooms with approx at maximum of 10 characters (if that!) that inc your dumb re-spawning ai along your side!...The tank level is just a joke, the robot droid is just a silly-follow the narrow liner path and simply shoot at the tiny targets from A to B. The best explosions are set pieces that happen in realtime but don't involve you as you can't go that area eg: the lift section when the Hellgiest break in on section 7 or 8 of the game.

    The ai is nowhere as good as Halo or F.E.A.R 2 (which i'm playing now too on Ps3)...as in Halo they do so much more then just hide & run around/cover/peak over usually boxes/pillers and shoot...In KZ 2 - Do they get into vehicles ? Do they run vehicles into you or jump on to drag you off - as you can ? Do they command and co-ordinate attacks differently if the commander/leader is killed ? Do they change weapons or take to gun turrents when needed (not scriped as in KZ)? can they run scared ? ..etc etc...The answer for KZ 2 is 'NO'...The may have good ai, but nothing that hasn't been seen before. F.E.A.R 2 actually is more convincing and more flexible to fit in to use the environment.

    This so-far has just been a fairly liner fps, with the main highlights being the set pieces. The enemy ai game characters have only seen 4 different types: The flying robots (just aim and shoot,not much of a threat), the fat minigun hellgiest (shoot at head then back - not difficult to kill, the controls feel to light clumsy making it actually more luck then skill on occasions to aim right!), the 2 main Helligest the gunner and knife fella - generally they the only ones to put any ai in battles.

    For PS3 a 4yrs development (remember it was 1st shown in early 2005 as showcase for the potential of the cell), all this game is a very liner fps it does not surpass anything. It may be very polished, but not like many PS3 fanboys are claiming. Oh! haven't played online yet ? but I'm sure that will be better then the single player.

    Resistance is naff, as for Siren which ain't bad but no master piece, White Knoght Chronicles hasn't received rave reviews in Japan, plus most of the other games you have listed are not even released as yet !

    Edited by TRUTH at 22/03/09 @ 18:14

  • Goodfella #185 3 years ago

    Fucking hell, deja vu, are you too lazy and dumb to come up with all new bullshit so you copy and pasted one of your previous posts?

  • TRUTH #186 3 years ago

    Yhea I am to lazy to re-write the whole thing to explain the same thing!...Why not ?

  • Goodfella #187 3 years ago

    Because nobody wants to read the same wall of text bollocks again that's why.

  • Goodfella #188 3 years ago

    Resistance is naff, as for Siren which ain't bad but no master piece, White Knoght Chronicles hasn't received rave reviews in Japan, plus most of the other games you have listed are not even released as yet

    Reviews (and gamers) would go against your opinion of Resistance, both games scoring rather highly. Also, I was just listing exclusives, so what if they're not out yet, they still exist and will still be released. Where's Alan Wake?

  • Lamb #189 3 years ago

    Its almost as if Microsoft writes Sonys press releases.
    Edited by Lamb at 22/03/09 @ 18:31

  • Widge #190 3 years ago

    \o/

    a TRUTH rant!

  • Rash' #191 3 years ago

    CountFapula and TRUTH (ahem), why don't you do me a favour and tell me what you're looking forward to this year. go on I'm fascinated to hear what your eccentric tastes are.

  • Goodfella #192 3 years ago

    It's got to be a racer or a shooter because lets face it there's not much else, and not liking racers leaves a very limited choice for Fapula. ;)

  • makeamazing #193 3 years ago

    CountMuppet will be speaking to his brother Farty soon so he can bring more shame onto us PS3 users who have gone against their apparent better judgement.

    I have said this a few times before, I really disliked Resistance 2, but really love uncharted, wipeout, LBP, Flower... dont tell me Countmuppet loved all MS exclusives that have appeared. His arguments are so full of fanboy crap its unbelievable.

    As for the Price, just because you cannot afford it or do not think its worth its value, well thats your problem, not anyone elses. The cost wasnt high for me, and I considered it good value at £299. Just remember your opinion is yours and your brothers... but that doesnt mean we give two hoots or actually care about the rubbish you sprout.

  • Goodfella #194 3 years ago

    Indeed, I bet some of these people don't moan about DVD Hard Drive Recorders costing £250+. With the PS3 you get a lot more than a DVD recorder.

    But then, they just talk bollocks because they don't know any other language.

  • des #195 3 years ago

    go go go 300

    As for price is PS3 main issue,look at the charts,Wii fit,Wii play are month after month pulling 2-3 x PS3 numbers
    It means that new owners are buying those games.

    Wii+Wii fit+Wii play=400$ and that is the PS3 price(in US)

    So how come that people are willing to give 400$ for a "Wii" and not for the PS3 despite the whole "value" crap?
    Answer is simple,they want Wii and don't give a shit for PS3 and its "value".

    Oh and Killzone 2 is an average shooter that nobody cares about.

  • Goodfella #196 3 years ago

    What you fail to realise is that a huge amount of people who buy the Wii are not interested in the 360 either and just buy shit party or brain training games, cocknob.

    You know, infants, women, parents, grandparents, etc?

    Wii fit sales should give you a fucking clue. Actual proper games are not what the Wii is about, not for fans of the PS3 or 360 anyway.

  • des #197 3 years ago

    Infants, women, parents, grandparents...those groups were driving force behind PS2 sales,some bought it for playing some for gifts...
    That is the real console market,not you or me...
    Do you really think that console market is sustained by people that infinitely argue what game console is better,argue about pixels,textures,etc...?
    Also "actual proper games",all i can say to that is lol

    And if you have looked at the charts more closely you would have seen that Wii owners are buying lots of different games.

    There is nothing that MS or Sony can do to stop someone to buy a Wii,they can only watch and cry...

  • Goodfella #198 3 years ago

    Lol at Fapula. It's like the lawyer for the defence conveniently ignoring all the facts.

    I mean for fucks sake, RE5 is on the PS3 anyway, and who the fuck would want Dead Rising these days. Yeah, devastated that particular broken gem isn't on the PS3 since playing it on the 360 and realising it was shite.

  • Goodfella #199 3 years ago

    And if you have looked at the charts more closely you would have seen that Wii owners are buying lots of different games.

    Yeah right, lets just take a glimpse at those top selling quality games ont he Wii. Truly awesome list here...

    http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore/plat...

  • Goodfella #200 3 years ago

    Infants, women, parents, grandparents...those groups were driving force behind PS2 sales,some bought it for playing some for gifts...

    Total bollocks. The PS3 had 'games' that appealed to different generations, Grandparents etc didn't buy it just because they wanted a go on Singstar. The Wii console itself has been marketed to appeal to women, grandparents etc, the people Sony MS really don't appeal to despite you claim. They don't even want one but they get a Wii, and when they get one they never fucking use it.

  • Goodfella #201 3 years ago

    Yeah, you were sucked in too by the comparison eh, mug.

    I've played the 360 version up to chapter 3-1, I've played the PS3 version, completed it, not a hint of framerate issues, aliasing - sure there is a little, screen tear fuck all.

    360 version, basically the same, different contrast, some screen tearing, slightly better anti aliasing.

    Conclusion, no difference, but you only having a 360 just love to believe, for whatever sad reason, that the 360 version is somehow way better, it isn't, it really isn't, at all.
    Edited by Goodfella at 22/03/09 @ 20:52

  • Goodfella #202 3 years ago

    Not a fanboy, just someone who wants balance but it's a lost cause when you're debating with people who can't possibly give a balanced argument.

    You're a twat with just a 360 and a Wii, whereas I own all 3, sadly. What a waste of money the Wii was.

  • Goodfella #203 3 years ago

    Lol, of course, nighty night.

  • El-Dev #204 3 years ago

    Holy shit the xbox owners are pissed off. I suppose i would be if my console of choice had no new titles comin out for an entire year, DLC and an expansion pack isn't alot to look forward to.

    As for cuntflapula, he is quite the angry little man who really dislikes the PS3. Jealousy is a terrible thing.

  • makeamazing #205 3 years ago

    Perhaps Countmuppet you could tell your teachers that you need more help with spelling? Also putting LOLOLO alot just shows your age.

    Not that it matters but I'm married with kids, which I am pretty certain your not... (I suspect your a 15 year old angry kid with a single parent and you certainly are single... am i right :D

    Really, you can keep going on and on about how one system is superior to another, they all have their advantages and disadvantages... take off those rose tinted specs and you might get somewhere... but lets be honest your a fanboy muppet.
    Edited by makeamazing at 22/03/09 @ 21:20

  • TRUTH #206 3 years ago

    Goodfella

    Stop getting so worked up about PS3 failure to live up to Sony's own hype with lies!...RASH: If you must know what I'm looking forward to are: Mass Effect 2, Fight Night 4, King Of Fighters, God Of War III, Crackdown 2, UFC, Alan Wake, Dirt 2.

  • sorry #207 3 years ago

    Goodfella, you have a 360? How about showing us by tying your gamertag to your account here, let's all see what 360 games you like to play...

  • Kojima100 #208 3 years ago

    so, whens god of war 3 coming out for the 360 Truth?

  • Xerx3s #209 3 years ago

    "Dead Rising was far from shite, unless you are one of those ''omgz one save, broken save system'' retards that just SUCK
    at games."

    If I was actually bothered about the sad little discussion going on around here I might actually crush that statement with a professional viewpoint. I'm not however so I'm just going to throw rocks at you from the fence.

  • Retroid #210 3 years ago

    Motorstorm 2 is great, tried my best to like the original but I just couldn't.

    Little Big Planet is utterly charming and great to play with, although not as mass-market as Sony seemed to think it would be.

    /Shrugs

  • quantumsheep #211 3 years ago

    Jesus fucking christ at you lot. Kill yourselves, please.

    Seriously. KILL YOURSELVES.

  • canIdoyabombsforya #212 3 years ago

    DaemonB "The comment section is funny. Some 'guy' posts some rubbish and look at all the kids scrambling to their keyboards to shoot their venom.
    Seriously get a fucking life. Who cares what he or some cunt from MS says?
    @canIdoyabombsforya
    Sony lied to us! Seriously who the fuck are you? "


    Ok mr Shit for brains. If you'd finished reading my reply to Goodfella instead of getting your knickers in a twist and becoming a whining little prick, you'd have seen that I described who I was and why I'm entitled to be a pissed off.
    My reply to Goodfella's fair question is quite common. If you don't like the increasing bashing sony gets, for their disservice to the industry by pissing on other companies parties and using spoiler tactics, just keep out of the comments section.
    If you think that sony's well documented lies, aimed at spoiling the take up of sega and microsofts offerings has been good for the industry, then please lets hear it.

  • bad09 #213 3 years ago

    Is it me or are these regular console "battle" threads getting more and more aggressive and more full of insults and venom on here? Good reading tho!

    Come guys play nice :)

  • Goodfella #214 3 years ago

    Goodfella, you have a 360? How about showing us by tying your gamertag to your account here, let's all see what 360 games you like to play...

    Why should I have to prove anything to you? But to satisfy your doubting mind...

    Goodfella mk1

  • HuggyAtHome #215 3 years ago

    I must say I got drawn in by the hype and bought KZ2 a few weeks ago - not a fanboy of any sort, (bought the PS3 for Uncharted and R&C) and enjoy the PSN titles like Flower and Riff, BUT....

    KZ2 is just ok. It looks ok apart from the horrible freezes when it loads mid level and a few of the levels are interesting but it just doesn't have any wow factor. All the same colour (just like Gears) but with an anticlimatic ending and the online setup is poor. Did enjoy but will be trading in this week.

    The point is that if this is the best that Sony has to offer then I do fear for the PS3 - the game's ok but I would rather see something that really puts the PS3 apart from the others if I hadn't yet bought the console to make me 'convert' etc to the big black box.

  • Xerx3s #216 3 years ago

    CountFapula: Your simple-mindedness amuses me. Carry on.

  • BartonFink #217 3 years ago

    Yup strong brand but still too expensive. I wonder how many people are saying fuck it and picking up 360s despite their old brand loyalty?

    As to the article, how deluded are Sony?

  • BartonFink #218 3 years ago

    @Xerx3s - yea the Count and a few others are kinda amusing alright.

  • bad09 #219 3 years ago

    "KZ2 is just ok. It looks ok apart from the horrible freezes when it loads mid level and a few of the levels are interesting but it just doesn't have any wow factor. All the same colour (just like Gears)"

    That's how I've found it TBH, it's just OK, very accomplished and polished and fun online. Just has no "wow" factor like you say. It got pushed aside in my collection so quickly with so much left unplayed, it's a bit unfair i know but SF4 and Gears of Evil are more interesting IMO. Still I won't trade it until I finish with it properly as it is fun.

    I know what you mean about the loads, annoying as hell but not a big issue.

  • Bill Gates is Evil #220 3 years ago

    When Sony says they have a "ten year plan" with the PS3, what they're really saying is that they're not going to be able to afford releasing PS4 when Microsoft releases Xbox 720. Sony thinks that PS3 will be able to go on with business as usual when Microsoft begins the next generation: and that's incredibly fucking ignorant. The Wii can get away with having lackluster technology because it's targeted towards a more casual-gamer who don't really care all that much about tech and graphics. The PS3 fanbase is composed mostly of people who truly do want to be at the forefront of gaming technology, and when they see Sony sitting on their asses trying to squeeze them for "profit" with an old outdated system, there will be an even larger migration of Sony fans to Microsoft's next console than there were with this one.

    Another thing people totally forget when comparing sales numbers is that Sony just came off it's second console that sold 130+ Million and Microsoft just came off it's first console that sold 25 million. The fact that Microsoft is outselling Sony worldwide just slightly is actually a pretty huge deal: Microsoft has nearly completely deflated all of Sony's momentum from their previous two generations.

    The reality for Sony (which they're completely unwilling to accept) is that they released a costly and technologically inferior system, a year after their competitor. You don't release something of lower quality with a higher price than your competitor and expect to retain your lead. Nintendo made the same mistake with the N64, refusing to use the CD format and thus disabling themselves for an entire generation while newcomer Sony stole their thunder. The PS3 is Sony's N64.

    What Sony needs to do is not try to extend the lifespan of a console that is so difficult to develope for that it's competitor's system consistently outperforms it (despite being older), it needs to get it's ass in gear making the PS4. Because nobody is going to care about the PS3 once Microsoft releases it's new console.

    The real reason Sony is going on about it's 10-year plan with the PS3 isn't because they've thought up some brilliant business plan, it's because they have no choice: they're struggling to even make a profit as a company, they can't invest the billiions required for the PS4 because they don't have them.

    And when you can't afford to invest the money for a new console, then you have to do the next best thing: sell the public on this "10-year plan", which nobody is buying. If Sony isn't ready for Microsoft's next console, you can permanently say goodbye to Sony ever having a leadership position in this industry again.

  • Bill Gates is Evil #221 3 years ago

    Goodfella, judging by your games list on Xbox.com, it appears (aside from the two rock bands and...crash bandicoot) that if you play games, it's for about 5 minutes.

    6 achievements for Gears of War 2?
    5 achievements for Fable 2?
    3 achievements for Fallout 3?
    1 achievement for GTA IV?
    1 achievement for The Orange Box?
    1 achievement for Halo 3?
    4 achievements for Bioshock?
    2 achievements for Crackdown?

    I could go on. My point is you don't seem to have really even played some of 360's best games for longer than 5 minutes.



  • #222 3 years ago

    Seems CountFapula is really sore about owing a 360.


    Farti....
    ""The public dont like Sony. The public don't care for the PS3. The public dont like being lied to. The public dont like being told to work harder and pay more money for products that perform poorly compared to the cheaper, more competant product with a far superior games catalog. The public have voted with their wallet. Sony's dominance is over and the gaming marketplace is better off for it. ""

    Yet they like having no support literally overnight for the xbox and being told for 2 years there was no problem with RROD, it didnt exist with the average user now on his 2-3rd abox?

    Talk about brand loyalty, if the 360 was a car, a tv or anything it would have drowned in its shit so please spare everyone teh " the brainless Sony worshipping dolts trolling around here".




  • bluem4gic #223 3 years ago

    All fan boys and girls please die!

    Find something better to do than stalk people's achievements on XBLIVE

    Some people have to work for a living and not survive on Mummy and Daddy's paycheck

    Seriously people get a life

    Do you really think Microsoft or Sony give a fuck about your rants

    It business and you guys are lining their pockets full of cash!

    Each to their own that what I say end of discussion

  • rotmm #224 3 years ago

    @Bill Gates is Evil,

    Some people just prefer buying games than playing them, and fart with around 140 titles clearly falls into that camp ;)

    That said, I've still got games that I've barely played and sit on my continual "to be completed" list, but then something else comes out and it gets forgotten.

  • jmg123 #225 3 years ago

    (numbers made for illustration only) Surely sony need to look at selling 500k consoles a year at £300 vs 1500k consoles a year at £200? economies of scale and increased revenue from games and PSN downloads should minimise that loss shouldn't it? And at the same time increase user base to which you can sell future titles and content.

    I think they (or m$ or nintendo for that matter) should look into getting a movie rental/purchase service going in europe. It wouldn't be a dealbreaker, but things like lovefilm and blockbuster rental are very popular. Whilst it probably wouldn't bring in hoardes of extra console buys for whoever implements it, It would still be another way of eaaking out some money. I would even go as far as to have the option of a buisness model that lets you have 3 or 5 rentals on your system at a time, and lets you watch them as many times as you like, but when your 5 download slots are full, you'll need to delete one to be able to get another (same as the we'll let you have x amount of dvd's at once, keep them as long as you like , return them to get a new one).

  • #226 3 years ago

    Well i think the xbox should still be supported given its lifespan about half of the ps2s so that argument is null.

    Costing owners nothing? Costs time and they pay for their live service while lack of console. No it comes down to whether you perceive the ps3 to have no good games when in fact it has plenty. That argument is also null, its been done to death, 2 years old, and laid to rest. Its the same with it cant do AA and all other petty things we talk about...

    The bottom line is theres hair splitting over games catalogs, if the ps3 was so bad, it wouldn't be sitting on 20+million sales, and before you comeback with how many of those are bluray players, let me ask you how many of MS 28million is refurbs?

    like I said nothing in it, and hair splitting.

  • Bill Gates is Evil #227 3 years ago

    "The bottom line is theres hair splitting over games catalogs, if the ps3 was so bad, it wouldn't be sitting on 20+million sales"

    I wouldn't say the software on PS3 is completely bad, but just because it's sold 20 million doesn't necessarily mean it necessarily isn't. A lot of that is momentum from the PS2. It would have sold millions if it released without any software at all, just by the sheer tide of momentum from their previous console.

  • JonFE #228 3 years ago

    CountFapula if you say Xerx3s has got owned -especially by you- then, I'm sure, it must be true :-s

  • El-Dev #229 3 years ago

    countflapula owns a 360 and a wii. I would be really pissed off if that's what I owned, almost feel conned.

    My sister bought a Wii last christmas, I can honestly say it's been turned on at most 20 times since then. I even bought Resi Evil 4 for it and just didn't give a shit about playin it after an hour.

    As for the PS3 exclusives bein mediocre, you've quoted metacritic once asshole, go look up some of those mediocre games on that.

  • #230 3 years ago

    Facepalm nothing. Many users have had multiple rrod and while the turn around maybe one week now it sure fucking wasnt near the start, mine was 4 weeks which I was still paying for.

    And you honestly believe the Wii is where it is because it has a good catalog? Granted 20million sales is majorly down from where they wanted to be, but this is a different generation, Sony didn't bank on Nintendo capturing nearly the entire causal market in one go, or MS leaping ahead and releasing theirs early, nevertheless, its not a far cry from where MS is and price cut is going to close that. You cant discount 20million consoles with regards to the fact its the most expensive console out there. I think it says more about MS business model than Sonys when they have had how many price cuts and are only 6-8 mill consoles in front.

    Id like proof that none are refurbs. I personally don't believe it.

  • Ryze #231 3 years ago

    Jesus - I leave you all for a day and look what you've done!

    What the hell?!?!

  • influenceuk #232 3 years ago

    Aren't we 2 years into that 10 year life cycle thus leaving us with 8 years left? And a further 3 year til they announce a new batch of consoles?

  • Dizzy #233 3 years ago

    "Aren't we 2 years into that 10 year life cycle thus leaving us with 8 years left? And a further 3 year til they announce a new batch of consoles? "

    We are 3 years in... usually new consoles are announced 1 year in advance. So that means will will probably get some info on new stuff in 2010 (E3 probably) with a release in 2011/12. That also means that some devs will get very early SDKs/specs end of this year and will start work on games.

    TBH in the case of Wii and 360 it will probably be same SDK with just increased memory and specs (and DX10+).
    Edited by Dizzy at 23/03/09 @ 13:00

  • makeamazing #234 3 years ago

    CountMuppet and Farty do make me laugh... todays kids... I fear for them when they actually are old enough to leave school and get a job (which lets be honest they are going to struggle).

    They complain that people defend the PS3, and then do the same with the Xbox. Funny guys...

  • EvilBob_leeds #235 3 years ago

    The proof of the subject is in the attach rate. Software sales on the PS3 are proportionally lower than the 360.

    Actually that's completely, demonstrably false, in Europe anyway where the X360 has shifted more units, but sells fewer games;

    VGChartz

  • snafu65 #236 3 years ago

    The words 'burying head in sand' spring to mind. Face it Sony this generation you're screwed!

  • ronuds #237 3 years ago

    Don't use VGChartz as evidence, please. Have some dignity.

  • EvilBob_leeds #238 3 years ago

    Don't use VGChartz as evidence, please

    Why would that be? Because they publish figures that prove your opinions wrong?

    Have some dignity.

    I'm pretty sure I gave that up when I started posting on this thread ;D

  • ronuds #239 3 years ago

    "Why would that be? Because they publish figures that prove your opinions wrong?"

    What's my opinion here? I didn't even say anything regarding whatever the subject was! I simply saw a claim being made and then VGC being used as a reference point, at which time I cringed.

    Just trying to do you a favor, man. VGC's #'s are guesstimates at best. For instance, they're US guesstimates for the month of February were over a combined 500k off from the real #'s. I can only imagine how far off their Europe figures are.

    You may as well make up numbers in your head and put them here - because that's the equivalent of what VGC does.

  • Goodfella #240 3 years ago

    Goodfella, judging by your games list on Xbox.com, it appears (aside from the two rock bands and...crash bandicoot) that if you play games, it's for about 5 minutes.

    That's because a lot of the games I had borrowed and either tested them to see performance (I completed Bioshock on PC) didn't have time or mostly weren't interested in the games, apart from the awesome Rock Band. Did you miss the excellent Oblivion from my list? (completed), Heck, I even completed Gears 1, did you not see that either?

  • EvilBob_leeds #241 3 years ago

    Even if they're a million off the mark in Europe, my point still stands. The attach rate of the X360 is worse than the attach rate of the PS3 across Europe. I'm thinking farticus's idea that the 360 sports a good attach rate probably comes from here;

    <a href=http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-360-sales-double-in-europe> Eurogamer April 2008 </a>

    While this attach rate business might have been true back then, it ain't now.

  • ronuds #242 3 years ago

    "While this attach rate business might have been true back then, it ain't now."

    Depends on the game, really - you can't make a blanket statement one way or the other. Like, COD sales on the 360 beat sales for the PS3 version very handily, while not so much for games like SFIV and RE5. I'd imagine the same will be true of FF13.

  • EvilBob_leeds #243 3 years ago

    Actually the CoD figures kind of don't. Apologies if I get patronising here.

    11,575,208 (X360 units in Europe))/ 10,066,383 (PS3 units in Europe) means that, if the attach rate is the same, the x360 must sell 1.15 times the number of games.

    PS3 sales of CoD are 1,403,946. So for the x360 to have a better attach rate for the CoD the 360 needs to sell more than 1,614,538 copies. It has infact sold 1,519,297. So the PS3 has a better attach rate on CoD. And everything else in the top 50 by the looks of things.

  • ronuds #244 3 years ago

    Oh, only by Europe's numbers maybe - but not the entire world. Your VGC says it's almost 2-1 worldwide. But in Europe only that's absolutely no surprise, as Sony claims to have the overall lead anyway.

    Yours and Farticus' points are very different. You're comparing a territory which is very close in console sales, when everyone else it talking about WW. Well, that's what it seems like they're talking about anyway. But, yeah, I'm sure if I took one sampling I can come up with any type of scenario I want.
    Edited by ronuds at 23/03/09 @ 18:06

  • ronuds #245 3 years ago

    Also, being I wasn't in this conversation originally, I didn't really know what point you were trying to make.

    Attach rate per game isn't really any measure of how good sales are for a given console. As more consoles are sold, that ratio goes way down per title. For example, GTA: SA for PS2 sold millions upon millions upon millions of copies, but do the "attach rate" per console for only that game and it's like .20 or something ridiculous like that. It's pathetic.

    So, yeah, that stat is nearly meaningless because no matter the console, that stat per title is going to shrink over time. Overall attach rate is what you want to look at.

  • ronuds #246 3 years ago

    @EvilBob

    The more I review yours and Farticus' comments, the more I realize that you're talking about 2 different things.

    Overall attach rate and attach rate of titles sold in Europe only are VERY different! Overall attach rate = # of ALL games sold per console. Per game attach rate = how many purchases were made per console for 1 game in particular.

  • EvilBob_leeds #247 3 years ago

    ???? And there was me thinking that this being the Eurogamer website that it would be pertinent to talk about European sales!

    But in terms of the overall attach rate for Europe the 360 comes behind the PS3.
    Edited by EvilBob_leeds at 23/03/09 @ 19:26

  • makeamazing #248 3 years ago

    If the best you can do is make 'schoolboy' jokes then I'd just not bother posting at all. Bring some relevance or shut up.
    @farty

    Whys that, too close to the truth. :D Many of us have tried to get you to take a pinch of humility when posting, but you continue to sprout your fanboy tripe. Seriously though all you and your pal muppet do is post crap on these forums, so I thought I would give it a try too.

  • ronuds #249 3 years ago

    "???? And there was me thinking that this being the Eurogamer website that it would be pertinent to talk about European sales!"

    Well, there's nothing wrong with that, but you're the only person to have swung the conversation in that direction. Anyway, you were talking about something different than Farticus so the point you were trying to make wasn't necessarily the right point.

  • #250 3 years ago

    Who says i feel bad? I dont. I have a ps3 and a 360.

  • EvilBob_leeds #251 3 years ago

    To be honest as well, I don't see anything that explicitly states that Farticus is taking the world view on this either. It's just the only point of view you can take whereby he's not completely wrong. In fact, only if you take the US into account is the x360 not worse, on a game by game or overall attach rate basis than the PS3.

    You could also point out that other recent multiplatform extravaganzas doing well in the charts like RE5, HAWX and SFIV the 360 has a poorer worldwide attach rate. It does inch CoD, but since it's not availiable in Japan, not by as much as you'd think. Finally you could point out that this month PS3 owners bought more games worldwide per head than X360 owners.

    My point being that what he says is only true if you take a very specific and blinkered view on the data availiable.

  • ronuds #252 3 years ago

    "My point being that what he says is only true if you take a very specific and blinkered view on the data availiable."

    I'm not sure how overall WW attach rate is either very specific or blinkered, but I have a feeling you'll argue with me until the day of your death. In fact, you seem to be the only one trying to drill down to specifics until you find a scenario where the PS3 is better. Do you think publishers care when their checks arrive in the mail whether or not the money's coming from Europe, Japan or the US? I seriously doubt it.

    But for the sake of you feeling good...you're right. PS3 rulez and all its games sell better than on 360...in one specific territory...in the eyes of the blinkered.
    Edited by ronuds at 23/03/09 @ 20:48

  • Bill Gates is Evil #253 3 years ago

    "Costing owners nothing? Costs time and they pay for their live service while lack of console."

    Well actually they get a 12-month extension of their gold service, at least that's how it works here in the U.S.

  • EvilBob_leeds #254 3 years ago

    You don't see how talking about the global attach rate is disengenuous on a site called Eurogamer, when the readily available European figures show something entirely different? When the 360 has been on the market for a year longer and has more budget games available?

    I have been talking about worldwide figures by the way, as there is absolutely no point in taking a single region in isolation.

    There would be no point, presumably, because talking about any other region that the US entirely invalidates your point, not because of some empirical statute to the contrary.

    Give it up, this guy obviously knows better than every IT sales analyst on the planet, ALL of whom have stated, and continue to state, that the 360 has by a decent margin the highest software attach rate of the current gen consoles.

    Realllllly.... except they only do in the US. They have a lower attach rate everywhere else. And that lead is slipping. This year the total global attach rates for games are worse on the 360 than on the PS3.

    And seriously, what a lot of shit - every IT sales analyst on the planet - got statements from them have you? Or talking out of your arse?

    Do you think publishers care when their checks arrive in the mail whether or not the money's coming from Europe, Japan or the US? I seriously doubt it.

    Bearing in mind games sell for different amounts in different territories, I think they probably do, yeah. But this year it doesn't make too much difference which territory you consider. The 360 sports a worse attach rate whereever you are.

    But for the sake of you feeling good...you're right.360 rulez and all its games sell better than on PS3...only in the US and not even that right now...in the eyes of the blinkered.

    There, fixed that for you.

    In all honesty I own both, and think that both are good for what I use them for. Whatever. Peace.

  • EvilBob_leeds #255 3 years ago

    It's a fact that everyone in the world seems to know except you.

    What in gods name are you on about? I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people in the world don't know and couldn't give a flying fuck.

    And as a parting shot do you know what you get if you take the 360s extra year (3.39) on the market out of the equation to worldwide attach rates? It seems that the only way you can give the 360 a higher attach rate is to give it a year start. Bear in mind also that the PS3 didn't hit Europe until March, so, in the interests of fairness, you should probably take add an extra month and a half to that year.
    Edited by EvilBob_leeds at 24/03/09 @ 12:43

  • EvilBob_leeds #256 3 years ago

    lol. Yeah. Why form your own opinions based on the readily available data when you can just regurgitate a pundits opinions, eh? Bra - vo.

    Besides I'm kind of intruiged who these "industry experts" are, when they said what you're alluding to and where they said it. Post some links, why not. Recent ones from websites without xbox or 360 in the title. Or don't, it's fairly obvious that you're talking out of your arse anyway.

  • IneptPercy #257 3 years ago

    "in the interests of fairness, you should probably take add an extra month and a half to that year."

    In fairness its sony's fault that the PS3 was so late and no figures should be adjusted for its late market entry, regardless of which was out first etc its all about current market share, how they got there doesn't matter.

  • Goodfella #258 3 years ago

    Industry experts, lol.