Gears 2 top UK chart, LBP in fourth

By Tom Bramwell Published 11 November, 2008

Also slow start for MotorStorm, EndWar.

Gears of War 2 has blasted its way to the top of the UK chart while LittleBigPlanet managed fourth behind FIFA 09 and Fallout 3.

Elsewhere in the top ten, WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2009 clotheslined its way to fifth, followed by Professor Layton and the Curious Village at sixth.

However, 7th November was a big Friday for new releases so there were inevitably going to be losers, and an eye cast further down the chart reveals MotorStorm: Pacific Rift and Tom Clancy's EndWar languishing in 29th and 30th respectively.

Data compiler Chart-Track reports that Gears 2's first-week sales were the third-highest ever on Xbox 360 behind GTA IV and Halo 3, and the eighth-highest for any game ever.

Meanwhile, sales for FIFA 09 dipped by one per cent, while Fallout 3's drop-off was 42 per cent, enough to remove it from first to third. Sony won't be happy that even with that kind of decline ahead of it, LittleBigPlanet managed only fourth.

Finally, Guitar Hero World Tour pops up for its first week at 17th, although it's worth remembering that it was only the guitar-and-game and solus disc versions that launched last week, with the big instruments bundles set to go on 14th November. Will it emulate Guitar Hero III's sterling sales? We shall see.

Check out the full All-Formats Top 40 to see where all the others arranged themselves.

  1. Gears of War 2 (Xbox 360)
  2. FIFA 09 (PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, PSP, Wii, DS)
  3. Fallout 3 (PC, Xbox 360, PS3)
  4. LittleBigPlanet (PS3)
  5. WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2009 (Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, PSP, DS, PS2)
  6. Professor Layton and the Curious Village (DS)
  7. Mario Kart Wii (Wii)
  8. Quantum of Solace (PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, Wii, DS)
  9. Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (PC, Xbox 360, PS3)
  10. Wii Fit (Wii)
  11. Wii Play (Wii)
  12. Dr Kawashima's Brain Training (DS)
  13. LEGO Batman (PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, PSP, Wii, DS)
  14. Far Cry 2 (PC, Xbox 360, PS3)
  15. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Wii, DS)
  16. Fable II (Xbox 360)
  17. Guitar Hero: World Tour (Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, Wii)
  18. Midnight Club: Los Angeles (Xbox 360, PS3)
  19. Carnival: Funfair Games (Wii)
  20. High School Musical 3: Senior Year (DS)
  21. Saints Row 2 (Xbox 360, PS3)
  22. MySims Kingdom (Wii, DS)
  23. More Touchmaster (DS)
  24. Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 (PC)
  25. Nintendogs: Lab & Friends (DS
  26. More Brain Training from Dr Kawashima (DS)
  27. Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (Wii)
  28. Ben 10: Protector of Earth (Wii, DS, PS2, PSP)
  29. MotorStorm: Pacific Rift (PS3)
  30. Tom Clancy's EndWar (PS3, Xbox 360)
  31. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, PSP, Wii, DS)
  32. Dead Space (PC, Xbox 360, PS3)
  33. Tiger Woods PGA Tour '09 (Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, PSP, Wii)
  34. Mario Kart DS (DS)
  35. WALL-E (PC, Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, PSP, Wii, DS)
  36. SEGA Superstar Tennis (Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, DS, PS2)
  37. Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (PS3)
  38. Family Trainer (Wii)
  39. Big Beach Sports (Wii)
  40. Family Ski (Wii)

Leisure software charts compiled by Chart Track, ©2008 ELSPA (UK) Ltd.

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  • Zomoniac #1 3 years ago

    Oh dear. Sony will be a bit worried now. The one product that was going to sell millions of consoles has flopped. And it had an extra 2 days on sale compared to the other new releases.

  • Dizzy #2 3 years ago

    As expected.

  • bad09 #3 3 years ago

    Dead Space seems to be sinking fast at 32. Shame that as it's a cracking game.

  • dpb135 #4 3 years ago

    LBP hasn't exactly done that well, I've seen loads of advertising for that but none for GOW2.

    Would be interesting to see console sales though

  • Xerx3s #5 3 years ago

    Nothing unexpected or surprising here then. A pity about lbp though.

  • Gnort #6 3 years ago

    I feel a little bad for Endwar, I think it would have sold fairly well had it been released in a quieter time of the year. I plan to pick up a copy, but I've already got way too much to play at the moment, so it will probably only be in the new year.

  • SlackMaster #7 3 years ago

    There are just too many good games comming out so it's understandable that some might not sell as well as others. I think once all the excitement around Gears etc dies down other games will start to sell a little better.

    LBP I think did well to get in at the 4th spot considering the smaller install base of the PS3 and the strength of some of the games out on rival console atm.

    As for dead space and Endwar, I think like me some may have held off buying them because of the amount of games coming out. There just isn't enough time and money for them all.
    Edited by 2 at 11/11/08 @ 08:51

  • Killdare #8 3 years ago

    Well, looks like the decision to delay LBP by a week may have cost Sony dear. Launching such an interesting new IP into such a crowded schedule was always going to be hard but with all the reviews and previews having been geared towards a launch a week earlier, it's hardly surprising that the buzz about the game had begun to tail off by the time it actually arrived. It's a huge pity: it's an astonishingly good game.

  • bad09 #9 3 years ago

    I think LBP came out with a whimper after all the barking. On launch day many shops didn't even have copies (in my area anyway). One local store owner said the release was a bit rushed and erratic and he didn't know when he was getting some, maybe that affected it?

    Plus Sony shot itself in the foot with hype. It's been overkilled on exposure, I'm sure many are just waiting or not fussed. I only picked it up launch day as my girlfriend wanted to play.

    But seriously all PS owners give it go, I'm converted and I didn't think that would happen :)

  • the_dudefather #10 3 years ago

    4th place is still pretty good, especially for a non-violent ps3 exclusive game at such a busy time of the year

  • Madafunkola #11 3 years ago

    I think LBP will be a slow burner (like most Wii/Mario games). It may not be number one, but it will be in the top 5 between now and new year.

  • Vanmunt #12 3 years ago

    I was in my local game shop on Sunday and somebody asked me what Bond was like on the PS3, I told him its suposed to be pants and to get LBP as it is amazing... his reply was 'I'm not getting that it's a kids game!!'

  • moggsy #13 3 years ago

    Shame about LBP - back to the drawing board then Sony. I'm sure they'll have something else lined up in the wings though won't they?

    I'm surprised it didn't do better on the strength of the reviews alone. Suppose that never helped the likes of Okami though.

  • Xerx3s #14 3 years ago

    "There are just too many good games comming out so it's understandable that some might not sell as well as others. I think once all the excitement around Gears etc dies down other games will start to sell a little better."

    I don't think that gow2 will go away anytime soon. gow1 sold very well for months and still populates the weekly top5 most played 360 games.

  • Vanmunt #15 3 years ago

    oh, and gears is fricken amazing... LBP and Gears best games of the year.

  • b00n #16 3 years ago

    Seems like a false start for LBP. It does feel like a game that can be on shelf and sell a bit longer than most other games can. There will be a lot of coverage and word-of-mouth, so Sony should feel bad about how they managed the launch (although they couldn't foresee the problem with the song) and that they lost against GoW2, but shouldn't be too worried yet. Really curious how the numbers will be the coming few weeks.

  • mfnick #17 3 years ago

    Gears 2 is absolutely brilliant. Well deserved. LBP will get its sales in time, like someone else said, it will be a slow burner. Consistently selling over many, many months due to word of mouth. The rest will drop from the charts before that.

  • menage #18 3 years ago

    @Vanmunt

    Some people just buy crap, let them be, if you're really going for a low scoring 4 hour movie game in this time period you don't have a gamer soul.

    I don't think LBP did that bad. For an exclusive with a kiddy exterior.

    Mototstorm and Endwar, well, what were they expecting in November.

  • porkman #19 3 years ago

    Yes gears might be amazining but when you have completed it after 8 hours what then!!!
    Edited by 2 at 11/11/08 @ 09:18

  • Psiloc #20 3 years ago

    TBF to LBP, this is just the UK chart and we have god awful buying habits. Here's hoping it's doing better elsewhere.

  • peterfll #21 3 years ago

    Stupid publishers all holding their quality works until the end of the year and releasing them all within panting distance of each other.

    A quaility business strategy that we can rely on every single year.

  • Yakkity #22 3 years ago

    Ummm LBP was only released on Wednesday so it's not even had a full week's sales. Still, would like to have seen some actual marketing from Sony for this gem.

  • menage #23 3 years ago

    @porkman

    are you stupid, how about multiplayer

  • Arwin #24 3 years ago

    Lol, people expected LBP to do better than Gears? Gears, that which a) is a sequel to b) a 6 million+ selling exclusive title, where LBP is a new title, and c) has to sell to a demographic of currently mostly 18-34 year old boys? :0

    LBP will expand the PS3 market but it won't happen overnight. It will help sales come Holidays, and it will spread like a virus ... :p At least I hope so - I'm making it my goal to have all my coleagues buy the game at least.

    By the way, play Jaeyden's Jade Palace level.

  • Vanmunt #25 3 years ago

    @porkman

    umm try a harder setting, play co-op or even go online.... just to name a few.

  • Gnort #26 3 years ago

    @porkman
    Well, judging from Gears 1, they will then start playing multiplayer, and will continue to do so for two years or more. Gears 1 has been in the top 5 games played on Live every week since its release.

    Troll harder.

  • anomagnus #27 3 years ago

    @porkman

    you play it again, and you play it online, and you do what i have down, enjoy the game

    but keep hating on Gears. As a franchise, it really doesnt give a shit what whiners think

  • Petulant_Radish #28 3 years ago

    Also Porkman, I doubt you completed it in eight hours on insane, did you? Plus Horde and the conventional multiplayer will keep Gears going for a long, long time!

  • Brianstorm #29 3 years ago

    LBP was sold out on luanch in many stores, severals friends couldn't get a copy. Just wanted to say what a wonderful piece of software LBP is, congrats to MM and Sony for progressing the concept...

  • BOBBYLUPO #30 3 years ago

    Little Big Planet is definitely an awesome game, but would have done far better if it had stuck to its original release date. That being said, it could well have had a fatwa on it, so i guess it got the lesser of two evils with its chart position.


  • dan13l #31 3 years ago

    I haven't seen a single advert for LBP yet. Fallout was everywhere, which is I think why it's sold so well.

    Given that LBP was supposed to be Sony's flagship, I expected to be unindated with Sackboy. Not happened. Fail.

  • moggsy #32 3 years ago

    @ Yakkity

    Gears came out on Friday - 2 less days.

  • gav_and_the_gavster #33 3 years ago

    I'd jsut like to say congrats to Prof Layton!

    He may even have got higher if the wait hadn't been so long and many of us (inc myself) hadn't already imported. I hope it continues to sell well as i'd love the sequels to get translated and released here too.

  • mfnick #34 3 years ago

    Am I the only one slightly disappointed by LBP? TBF Ive only had a small go really but I found a fw problems that got on my nerves.

    On one of the levels I played, the realistic physics made some objects block the only route I could take, meaning I had to restart. The jumping seems really spongy & floaty. Its just not accurate & responsive enough for some of the more demanding areas - pretty big problem in a platformer IMO - Meaning some unfair deaths & frustrating restarts. & lastly you can go into the background & which can cause soe initial confusion as well as some areas where you cant even see your character because the scenery is in the way, got on my nerves a bit that did. I really want to like it, I really do. Even if it was just because of the sackboys - they're great, I love 'em. But im not sure if the charm is enough to make me overlook the problems.

    I have only had a small go though & hoping more time with it will make these problems seem less of a pain. Cant say im that interested in user content or creating levels myself either. I prefer a professional to do them.


  • Rash' #35 3 years ago

    LBP definitely deserves better. Sony's marketing hasn't delivered. word of mouth should help, but it'll be a disappointing year for me if it doesn't get the mass recognition it deserves.

  • coomber #36 3 years ago

    I'm gutted to see Dead Space doing so badly, but reassured by the "failure" of LBP only making it to fourth. Good to see not everyone has been taken in by the hype surrounding that turd.

  • Les #37 3 years ago

    @ Arwin

    +1

    People that expected LBP to outperform Gears in the first week are a bit silly IMO. Gears is a real hardcore franchise, aimed at people that wouldn't sleep well if they didn't get the game in the week of its release. LBP is aimed at a more casual demographic and if it succeeds in appealing to it (not sure it will, e.g. my girlfriend loves the asthetics and likes it in small bursts in multiplayer but she'll never go through story mode on her own), it'll very likely be a slow burner. Like Mario & Sonic at the Olympic games that was in the charts for months IIRC.

  • lennon #38 3 years ago

    @mfnick - No your not. Its a good concept undeniably but I am still struggling to find a purpose to play. I played a load of user generated content the other night and found myself asking the question why am I bothering?

    Surprisingly (to me) the most enjoyable bit I have found so far is the level creation tools. Not that I ever suspect I will build a entire level but it is quite good fun to build a rocket powered skateboard and then put various obstacles in the way to see what happens.

  • Santino #39 3 years ago

    lbp is second in the single format charts, which i tend to find more interesting, i think that is a pretty good result for the game. layton in 3rd is also a great result, and what gems both games are.

  • Rash' #40 3 years ago

    dan13l, Sony's marketing has been atrocious. Got to commend MS on their planning. Clearly they have got their marketing spot on this year. I can understand the risk of budgeting too high for products not well placed for mass market consummation, but what about to your existing consumer base, Sony?
    Edited by 2 at 11/11/08 @ 10:03

  • JHuxley #41 3 years ago

    /searches for Valkyria Chronicles...

    Oh dear. Not even in the top 40? For shame :(

  • krudd #42 3 years ago

    The LBP release was really bad in my opinion! I knew all about it before the release dates changed and then I didn't know when it was out until I went in to preorder it again (I moved since) and I was told it was out, didn't get it though because PS3 is not here yet! But yes, I follow loads on release dates (I used to work in GAME) and this just totally passed me!

  • Tomo #43 3 years ago

    Hmm. Agreed about LBP coming out on a bit of a whimper. Shame that.

    What the hell does Layton think it's doing though?! I thought that was released ages ago, perhaps just in America... But a 6th spot for that is very impressive, especially at this time of year. I thought about 2 people would buy it.

  • tobsen #44 3 years ago

    So dumb game sells better than smart game, no surprise here.

  • Lebowski #45 3 years ago

    I'm just pleased that Fallout 3 is doing well - what a game.

  • Scrumhalf #46 3 years ago

    I actually went and bought a PS3 just for LBP, with a little help from the excellent deal in Argos over the weekend. I didn't buy GoW2 and don't intend to in the near future.

  • old_man #47 3 years ago

    I’m possibly one of the few that does not enjoy playing little big planet. It looks good, but glitches in the game result in many deaths (falling through solid objects). It’s too frustrating for me to enjoy.
    I’ll be trading my copy in for something else.

  • Zomoniac #48 3 years ago

    Lol, people expected LBP to do better than Gears? Gears, that which a) is a sequel to b) a 6 million+ selling exclusive title, where LBP is a new title, and c) has to sell to a demographic of currently mostly 18-34 year old boys? :0

    No, I don't think anyone expected it to get close to Gears. But I did expect it to come second. I certainly didn't think it would be losing out to a six-week-old game.

  • Zomoniac #49 3 years ago

    Also, nice to see FIFA still riding high whilst PES keeps slipping. Maybe people have developed some sense after all.

  • captainrentboy #50 3 years ago

    Gears being top of the charts was a bit of a no brainer, but when I bare in mind how terribly LBP sold in my store over the last few days, I'm quite surprised that the game even got into the top 5.
    Obviously I'm aware that sales of a title in my little old shop doesn't reflect the whole of the UK, but as a general rule of thumb what we sell the most of each week is usually reflected accurately in the following week's chart.
    And before the PS3 owners go wild, no I'm not dissing LBP, just saying it hasn't really smashed through into the casual gaming market (yet) as some expected, and general interest in the game seems to be severely lacking.
    I think it'll feature in the top 20 for the next couple of weeks but then keep movin' on down.

    At the end of the day console gamers love shooters/racers/sports games, any other genre always has a hard time.
    Unless it features on the Wii and can make fatties lose weight of course :)

  • rotmm #51 3 years ago

    I'm actually surprised by the results for Gears, as I can't recall seeing a single TV advert for it (as opposed to games such as fallout and lbp). Sure, one would expect a no. 1 or 2 placement, but 8th fastest selling title of all time?

  • FooAtari #52 3 years ago

    4th in the charts for a single format game is a flop??

    I didn't like it much myself, but the game is far from flopping. Sure it's not meeting the hype perhaps but has obviously shifted plenty of copies. But Sony should have released it several months ago, or into the new year instead of going up against sequels to extremely popular games such as GoW. One of these days the publishers will learn...

    Always wonder where people see all these adverts on TV. Maybe it cause I don't watch much TV and when I do it's usually on Sky+ so I skip the ads, but I see very very few game ads on TV.
    Edited by 1 at 11/11/08 @ 10:56

  • ryohazuki1983 #53 3 years ago

    Very few game ads? bloody harry redknapp and co are always on!

    True 4th is a good spot for a single format title, BUT, you'd expect a #1 for any of the big threes biggest titles, however LBP hasn't got the following that a halo/mario game has.

    No doubt sony won't be happy as it hasn't sold as much as they expected (surely) here or overseas.

  • moggsy #54 3 years ago

    @ simakperrce

    Nope, that was in reply to someone who said LBP had been out less than a week - just pointing out that Gears has had even less time to sell. Cool your jets man - I own LBP but I won't be buying Gears 2 for a long time.

  • JHuxley #55 3 years ago

    "Very few game ads? bloody harry redknapp and co are always on!"

    Yes. And those annoying 360 head rotation ads.

  • moggsy #56 3 years ago

    @ mfnick

    You seem to be worrying about triviality rather enjoying the LBP experience for what it is - the first of a brand new genre.

  • ryohazuki1983 #57 3 years ago

    @djronz - Thats the point though, as you say, it's done "alright". A lot of people were speaking about LBP saying that it would be a major system seller. As Sony's biggest title to date, it hasn't YET lived up to expectations.

    BTW i'm not anti any console, I hope LBP does sell well as its a creative and unique title. Speaking of unique titles, GAME have just started to process my Mirrors Edge pre-order :)

  • mfnick #58 3 years ago

    You seem to be worrying about triviality rather enjoying the LBP experience for what it is - the first of a brand new genre.

    No, its a 2D platformer with extensive creation tools & im basing my experience on that. Just because it looks nice & has creation tools does not make it a new genre.
    Edited by 1 at 11/11/08 @ 11:27

  • moggsy #59 3 years ago

    @ mfnick

    Yeah - that's what I mean. You're not getting it.

  • mfnick #60 3 years ago

    Care to explain what it is about then please?

  • moggsy #61 3 years ago

    I'll give you the essence.

    I was having a chat on the forum with someone about one of their levels, about the difficulties I had with it but that I still had fun. They thanked me for my feedback and replied that they were working on a new version. I'm looking forward to playing that new version once its finished.

    Getting it yet?

  • rotmm #62 3 years ago

    @moggsy,

    So chatting with an amature map-maker on a forum about one of their maps is something different and exciting?

    Sorry, I've been doing that since Unreal, and others have been doing it far longer with earlier titles.

  • mfnick #63 3 years ago

    As rotmm says, nothing new. Also I'd rather play the game than do things like that. Maybe I just dont get it, but it has disappointed me. I was expecting a damn good 2D platformer with a nice little level creator for people who are into that type of thing.

    Looks like it just isnt my type of game.

  • JHuxley #64 3 years ago

    @rotmm

    It's not a new genre, but it certainly is very different to anything that's gone before.

    And no, you can't compare it to Unreal or Quake. They required complicated tools and scripting to make anything half decent. And in order to play a level you had to find it on a website, download it to your PC, unzip it, install it and eventually you're ready to play.

    LBP automates the entire process. It makes levels easy to make and even easier to play (although MM should really improve the search functions). There hasn't been a game that offers this level of customisation and user generated content before. Certainly not on a console, and not on PC either AFAIK (though Trackmania comes close, but doesn't quite have the same scope).

  • moggsy #65 3 years ago

    LBP isn't perfect, but very few genre creators are.

    What it is is breathtakingly ground breaking.

    A wall has been removed in the blink of an eye, and most gamers haven't even noticed - yet.

  • GamesConnoisseur #66 3 years ago

    Both both LBP and GoW2 (among other titles as well!), GoW2 taking all my attention and its rocking good game, liked LBP and giving it a try but its also annoying in parts. Getting stuck in scenery or misjumping and losting lives. I know its part and parcel of platforming genre and the whole 'create your own level/game' is a really USP thing but its perhaps more of 'put more time and love in this game, then you ll get more out of it' type of commitment required.

    Would want to see more inventive game like LBP take off but yet felt GoW2 also deserves all the attention/praises, just unfortunate timing and hope LBP will do well.

  • makeamazing #67 3 years ago

    To me the main problem was not sticking to the original release date for reasons we all know....

    Some stores didnt even get the stock in on the Wednesday morning of the rerelease date, one store i know didnt get them in till 5pm on the night. So I can see it passing people by on the release (losing a few sales), but i also expect this to sell a few more in the next few weeks in the run up to xmas. Ive not got my copy yet for my kids... so theres 1 extra copy...lol

  • captainrentboy #68 3 years ago

    ''What it is is breathtakingly ground breaking.
    A wall has been removed in the blink of an eye, and most gamers haven't even noticed - yet.''

    Holy shit, will you two get a room already? Jesus...

  • bad09 #69 3 years ago

    "LBP isn't perfect, but very few genre creators are"

    Hold on I'm missing something here. Now don't get me wrong I'm really liking LBP right now but what genre has it actually created?

    Sure the physics make it seem different and it's presentation is excellent....but it is still just a 2D platformer at the end of the day.....

  • lennon #70 3 years ago

    @JHuxley - LOL. I must have got a dodgy copy! Shockingly bad levels are indeed easy to make (perhaps I should publish mine) but something worth playing (of which I have found less than 10) are not.

    Seriously guys this may be a different approach to console games but the holy grail it is not.

  • rotmm #71 3 years ago

    @JHuxley,

    You're right of course. However, I was more referring to the excitement of a certain member here about being able to visit a forum to discuss a level with the creator ;)

    That said, world builders such as UnrealEd do automate much of the process if you stay within the rules of the various gametypes. Of course, you could use scripting if you wanted to completely change the game, making a racer or a top down shooter or a pinball clone or a flight sim, etc. LBP is very much rooted in platforming, and I haven't yet seen anything that will significantly change that. Can you build a verses map? Or something akin to Worms? Not yet, but upgrades to the editor may make such things possible. But that is what real user customisation is.

    As for walls being removed (as moggsy mentioned), Halo 3 had Forge a year ago. On the fly map building and customisation. Sure, it's limited. But no more limited than what LBP currently offers. Or how about Far Cry 2? To me that seems like a far more powerful, and even easier to use (and get great results) that anything yet seen on consoles.

    It just seems to me that the importance of LBP's creation tool is being overstated. Maybe the months and years ahead will prove me wrong.

  • JHuxley #72 3 years ago

    @lennon

    Uhh...I just said it was easy to make levels. Of course it's not easy to make good levels....that entirely depends on your talent. And it also takes time and effort to make a great level, so expect more to appear as time goes by.

  • moggsy #73 3 years ago

    @ rotmm

    Did Bungie use Forge to create Halo 3? I own Halo 3 and have completed the single player but never even used Forge - it isn't melded into the experience in the way that the LBP 'create' tools are.

    I just think that LBP is the start of greater things to come. It's game building for the masses. Sure a lot of them will be crap (although give it chance, it's not been out a week yet) but the good will rise to the top of the pile. It's also about sharing your levels with friends using 'in' jokes etc. It's another medium along with photos and video (ala YouTube). It's the YouTube of games!

    Yes I'm excited by it and the opportunities it creates. I also know full well lots will want to piss on my chips but have a heart and leave me in my LBP bliss!

    /gets a fricking room. Does things to sack boy he maybe shouldn't...
    Edited by 3 at 11/11/08 @ 14:28

  • rotmm #74 3 years ago

    @moggsy,

    I'm not pissing on your chips (great phrase btw) and I fully appreciate your comment about forge vs lbp, but personally I just don't see this game as the 2nd coming of Jesus.

    There's some cool stuff been done already, like the calculator by Quaz51 of Beyond3D. But for actually extending the game beyond that of a simple platformer, I don't think the level editor does anything. Too many elements are rooted in the core game design and especially the physics. It would be fantastic if you had the ability to completely alter how the sackboys handle, for example. At present they are just too floaty and imprecise to create a traditional hardcore platforming-type level.

    Or maybe the problem for me is that I just cannot afford to put the time and effort in to creating a level that is anything other than shite ;) And I just don't think the core gameplay is enough to hold my attention for more than a couple of weeks.

    You, on the other hand, see the game as something very special. And that's great. That's what makes having gaming as a hobby so fantastic. All of our tastes are catered to.

  • captainrentboy #75 3 years ago

    I think the big problem with LBP is that unless you are the creative sort, there really isn't much to it in terms of lasting appeal. I for one have zero artistic vision, so the game probably wouldn't be of much use to me once I was done with what MM actually put in there themselves.
    I appreciate there are some talented people out there, people that will design awesome levels, but for every one of those must have gems, there will be 1000 levels designed to look like a jizzing penis.
    I honestly don't think this genre will be the ''next big thing'', gamers in general are too lazy a bunch, and surely unless the salesturn out to be astronomical then other developers aren't really going to take notice, and will instead focus on Legendary 2.

    Anyway back to GOW2, just got out of the gigantic worm thing, fooking hell that chapter for one was quite different to anything from the first game. I was actually shitting myself come the last section, thinking I was going to drown:)

  • rotmm #76 3 years ago

    I did drown.

  • Les #77 3 years ago

    "A wall has been removed in the blink of an eye, and most gamers haven't even noticed - yet."

    Probably because it isn't part of a hardcore gamer franchise like Halo... ;)


    "I just think that LBP is the start of greater things to come. It's game building for the masses."

    + 0.5

    I agree LBP is the start of 'greater things' to come. But I don't think it's game building for the masses, more likely to bring game building to the reasonably hardcore console gamer. LBP will lead to 'greater things' because it can 'educate' gamers in game design, like Mario and Zelda 'educated' many of the veteran gamers into video game mechanics.

    Just how big the gap is between gamers and non-gamers was pointed out to me while playing LBP with my girlfriend. The limited complexities of LBP turn her off while most gamers wouldn't even notice they were there. I suspect that there are many people that just don't have the patience to learn the arbitrary mechanics of games and that partly explains the broad appeal of simpler (or better thought out?) casual games like on the Wii.

  • ronuds #78 3 years ago

    I'm a little confused by everyone's surprise with LBP. It's a game that on the cover looks to be kiddy, but inside is actually rather complex and difficult - and is on the most expensive console. There's probably confusion about what it is and who it should be marketed towards.

    Not to mention, but I don't know how many PS3 owners buy a PS3 to play a platformer, or how many non-PS3 owners will buy a PS3 to play a platformer.

  • moggsy #79 3 years ago

    @ ronuds

    I didn't buy a PS3 to play a platformer. I bought it to experience LBP. I haven't been disappointed so far as you can probably tell from my previous comments :-)

    The game will appeal to all sorts of people, with families being a sizeable proportion of the users. Imagine creating simple levels for your kids to play, or even better them doing the same for you. Far better than sticking them in front of cartoons on TV.

    So no, it's not going to replace the Gears 2 experience and I wouldn't want it to. But it does stand up in it's own right as something a bit special, and hopefully a marker for things to come.

  • IronGiant #80 3 years ago

    Sony only have themselves to blame, personally i've seen zero advertising for LBP and loads for Gears2. Just wander into game or gamestation and you'll see big Gears2 displays and next to nothing for LBP. The classic though came when i went to see Quantum of Solace on release day.. the first advert to come on screen to a full cinema was for Gears Of War2!! Someone at Sony should be shot for allowing that to happen :)

  • bonker #81 3 years ago

    "just saying it hasn't really smashed through into the casual gaming market (yet) as some expected"

    Well whoever was expecting LBP to appeal to the casual gaming market needs to be fired (if that was their job of course).

    LBP is the complete antithesis of casual gaming with its content creation tool - that's going to have lasting appeal to not 1% but 0.1% of the gamers out there. Who the fuck wants to 'work' to create their own game FFS?! Most casual gamers (the Wii generation shall we say?) can barely string a sentence together, never mind actually 'do' something creative as is required with the user created content aspect of LBP.

    This whole Web 2.0 stuff really is utter bollocks - a few million chav kids uploading happy slapping video clips to YouTube does not interesting content make and the almost inevitable disappearance of LBP from most people's radars is proof that entertaining content can only be created by talented people and that most certainly does not apply to 99.999% of the general public.

    That said, I wish Sony well with LBP, at least they had a go at something different to the 360's FPS-fest although I expect 'Home' to suffer a similar fate to LBP, if we ever get to see it ...

  • Les #82 3 years ago

    "LBP is the complete antithesis of casual gaming with its content creation tool - that's going to have lasting appeal to not 1% but 0.1% of the gamers out there."

    You kind of miss the point there. The total package is meant to offer something likeable to 'the' casual gamer. The fact that a lot of people will not like content creation, especially in the casual segment, doesn't necessarily lead to those people not finding enough likeable elements in the complete package to warrant a purchase. Just like some people might only like the content creation and don't care about the actual gameplay.

    "and the almost inevitable disappearance of LBP from most people's radars is proof that entertaining content can only be created by talented people and that most certainly does not apply to 99.999% of the general public."

    What disappearance?! And the 'obvious' truth you allude to can be negated by the power of numbers. Not the most sophisticated or smart mechanism in the world but it can lead to amazing things now and then. Kind of like evolution.

    LBP could definitely use a marketing push, it doesn't have enough presence as it is I agree (maybe Sony is recognizing that at the current price point the masses are out of reach anyway and is biding its time for a price drop and the inevitable LBP 2 (which will be a SingStar-like mission pack I expect)). But this is a title with staying power that unlike basically every other game will only get better over time (and with that I don't mean bug-fixing patches... ;) ).

  • moggsy #83 3 years ago

    @ bonker

    LBP is the complete antithesis of casual gaming with its content creation tool - that's going to have lasting appeal to not 1% but 0.1% of the gamers out there. Who the fuck wants to 'work' to create their own game FFS?!

    Plenty of wives, girlfriends and children playing LBP as mentioned over in the LBP thread. Plenty of people will get enjoyment out of tinkering with the tools, more will get enjoyment out of playing other people's levels. I've played some very nice levels and it's not been out a week yet.

    Try it FFS before writing it off.

  • Marshall2008 #84 3 years ago

    4th is pretty good for little big planet. LBP is a nice program but it is pretty slim on gameplay. Weak controls on your characters and lots of bugs will just piss people off who want to 'play' it as a platformer. I hope that they fix the game controls otherwise its heading for the trade in bucket. At the moment it is sitting dormant and will do until they fix the frustrating controls. There are too many better games out right now to devote any time to creating levels that just piss you off when you play them.

    LBP, the game that could have been..
    Edited by 1 at 11/11/08 @ 20:53

  • TRUTH #85 3 years ago

    Bought GOW2 + LBP...Loving GOW2, but LBP doesn't seem to appeal to me!!!...It nice - but that's what probably looses it appeal for me. Also re-played Mario on my N64 - just did not appeal to me no more...Tastes change I suppose!!!

  • TRUTH #86 3 years ago

    There's so much more types of games to 360 then you seem to think!..
    Crackdown, Virtua Tennis, Fight Night, WWE Smackdown Vs Raw, Oblivion, Fallout, Eternal Sonata, Gta IV, Portal, Kameo, Forza Racing, Burnout, Ghost Recon, Viva Patna, Fable II, Buzz, Burnout, Dead Or Alive 4, Ninja Gaiden II, Splinter Cell, Banjioo & Kazooie, Mirrors Edge, Virtua Fighter 5, Pure, Blue Oddysee, GOW, command & conquer..etc etc, the list goes onnnnn. Let's not also forget games like Rez HD, Ikugara, Metal Slug, Mutant Storm, Braid, Castlevaina - on Xbox live

    Everything from: fps - sport - adventure - action - family - rts - online gaming, not just fps for the 360...That's more then the PS3 & way more then Wii's silly mini games obsession!...Also to play previous xbox game on 360 inc Streetfighter IV!
    Edited by 1 at 12/11/08 @ 18:33

  • Les #87 3 years ago

    Can't say I've had much troubles with the controls myself and I've played through most of story mode (didn't encounter any bugs either). They're not perfect in the sense that the z-axis controls don't always (but defnitely in the majority of cases) do what you want them to do. But this hasn't really interfered much with gameplay (except for the odd mildly annoying fiddling that no game to my knowledge is competely immune to): Not once did I die in the game due to control issues.

    Haven't downloaded any of the patches yet though (as I've not finished story mode yet there's little reason to go online and I prefer the infamous song with lyrics). Maybe they actually got worse by addressing them in the patches?

  • MonkeyMagik #88 3 years ago

    LBP is for kids - pure and simple and I feel sorry for you PS3 owners that get so excited by a side scrolling platform game, no matter how pretty it looks. There is also the fact that you need to do a lot of the work. It's not the kind of thing i have time to do in the evening. But hey, each to their own !

  • Darren #89 3 years ago

    Just because a game is in 4th place doesn't mean it's a flop. For example, the top selling game might have shifted, say, 500,000 units, 2nd place might be 490,000, 3rd 485,000 and 4th 475,000. A difference of 25,000 hardly makes the 4th placer a flop, does it? We don't have actual sales figures, it is those that tell how well or not the game has sold not its position in the chart. All we know for certain is that Gears of War 2 sold more copies in that week than LittleBigPlanet and in a shorter period of time since the latter went on sale two days earlier.

  • Darren #90 3 years ago

    Oh and I should probably add that I bought and am enjoying Gears of War 2, LittleBigPlanet and MotorStorm: Pacific Rift all for different reasons. The first is epic and spectacular, the second is cute and appealing and the third is fast and thrilling. Ah it's great to be a multiplatform gamer (well maybe not so much owning the Wii really...).

  • db3 #91 3 years ago

    LBP is way more impressive than I imagined.

    I'm surprised Sony haven't shown it off fully on TV so people understand just how good the single player story is.
    Yes, many may think it's either a kids game or focused on the creation element.

  • glewra #92 3 years ago

    So LBP Gets beaten by a game that already has a huge fan base and a couple of multi platfrom titles - No real suprises there then. The new IP only available on PS3 comes 4th. I'd say that was pretty good.