Jump to navigation

Table of contents

Page Previous 1 2 Next

Advertisement

Episodes From Liberty City Review

Xbox 360 Review by Tom Bramwell

4 November, 2009

Page 1 of 2. Page 2 ->

It's nothing if not strange to be reviewing the same thing for the second time in a fortnight, but then Rockstar has sent us down strange roads before. The Ballad of Gay Tony is the same now as it was last week, but the fact that it is also available on a disc it shares with The Lost and Damned, and which doesn't require the original Grand Theft Auto IV to play, asks different questions of a review.

It's possible, for example, that you're considering whether to buy this having never bought or played GTAIV - in which case your impressions may be mixed. The Liberty City of the current generation is a vast, colourful and varied environment, brimming with the series' trademark satirical humour and eccentricity, but whereas 18 months ago it seemed a technical marvel, 18 months on it's merely at the handsome end of competent, and drops frames more noticeably than an epileptic optometrist. And the core of GTA is very much still going to icons on the mini-map to receive a briefing and then driving somewhere to do some shooting, or similar.

Mechanics are solid but unspectacular, and lack the finesse intervening games have standardised. The cover-based third-person gunplay, for example, is sticky, and awkward in close quarters, and you never feel as comfortable as you do in comparable action games when you're moving around on foot. Sometimes, as when jumping or navigating buildings, it's as though the programmers spent so long making the world around you operate properly that they struggled to accommodate your need to touch it. The driving physics have also proven divisive. With that said, modern GTA is less frustrating than it was on PS2 and Xbox in many respects; you can even restart missions without having to go off and buy your guns again. Progress!

'Episodes From Liberty City' Screenshot 1

The Lost and Damned's motorcycles are perhaps its strongest characters. When I first lost Johnny Klebitz's Hexer in the river I was grumpy for several minutes.

One thing that hasn't changed throughout GTA's 3D history is Rockstar's approach to the framework of the game and its systems. Everything you can do is introduced as if by a serious man with thick eyebrows: the camera points at something, and a box of text appears to explain how it works. Learn. Not for Rockstar, then, the in-line tutorials that blur the lines between fiction and mechanics in other, more self-conscious action adventures. Given the sometimes-negative press the GTA games attract, perhaps someone somewhere decided very early on to make the line between reality and the game world as whopping as possible.

But let's face it, you probably have played GTAIV, so you know all this. Whatever your situation, the two discrete episodes included in this bundle complement one another very well. The Lost and Damned, first released in February, tells the story of a violent power struggle within the Alderney chapter of The Lost Motorcycle Club, and the perils of trying to live by an ageing creed - that, in the words of one character, "Life is pain, and through this life of brotherhood we can give pain the finger." The Ballad of Gay Tony, meanwhile, focuses on how wicked it is to jump out of helicopters wearing a parachute.

Advertisement

Are you excited about Grand Theft Auto IV: The Ballad of Gay Tony on Xbox 360?
View Eurogamer readers most anticipated games

Thanks!

Want to comment on this article? Log in, or register!

Comments: 1-50 of 55 in total | next 50 »

Poster
Comment Low-scoring comments hidden. Log in to see them!
HarryPalmer
04/11/09 @ 11:18
#1
+10
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Seriously annoyed this isn't on PS3 - actually feel cheated!
wayn3h^!
04/11/09 @ 11:19
#2
+1
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Why do you feel cheated?
charming_fox
04/11/09 @ 11:20
#3
+45
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Probably because he wants to play it but can't
Mercatoria
04/11/09 @ 11:21
#4
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
lol@ charming fox
Fab4
04/11/09 @ 11:22
#5
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Since when did 6 months away become close to a full year?
kingmong
04/11/09 @ 11:22
#6
+2
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
both of these are great! johnny k in TLAD was a great lead char. loved all the piss-taking between him and the others
HarryPalmer
04/11/09 @ 11:24
#7
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
@ charming_fox: Exactly!
Zomoniac
04/11/09 @ 11:24
#8
+22
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Cheated? It was widely reported public knowledge long before GTA IV originally came out last April that both bits of DLC would only ever make it to 360. You can't say you weren't warned.
insincere_dave
04/11/09 @ 11:24
#10
+3
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Just about finished TLAD... I can officially never go back to not having checkpoints in GTA now. Rockstar take heed!
bad09
04/11/09 @ 11:25
#11
+6
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
It is a shame PC and PS3 guys don't get these but I'm sure the episodes will hit the other platforms eventually, ironic Sony now gets the treatment they dished out to other platforms with the GTA games last gen :)

I'm tempted to go for the disc version as I have no space for Gay Tony and it would free up space loosing TLAD off there. Anyone know if disc TLAD works with the DLC version game save? I've not finished it yet!
Mentalist(air)
04/11/09 @ 11:31
#12
+8
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
8 for one, 8 for the other, 8 for both, eh?

who would have thought.
toa_boa
04/11/09 @ 11:36
#13
+3
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Good job Tom! You remain one of the best reviewers employed by Eurogamer!
EarlBassett
04/11/09 @ 11:36
#14
+22
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I think the backlash by EG on GTA is getting pretty old now.
GTA IV was, and still is, an astonishing creation. The game world is amazing.

Yes, after playing Uncharted 2 the cover system feels very stubborn, but at least I can actually go 2 metres off the path and not have it covered by a broken wall or locked doors.

GTA is the only game that I can switch on and just have great fun not doing anything I'm meant to do. I often play for 2 hours, then spend hours creating mayhem and pushing people down stairs.

It's great fun. Isn't that what games are meant to be about?
Edited 1 times, most recently on 04/11/09 @ 11:44
YoshiMcTaggis
04/11/09 @ 11:39
#15
+6
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
"Anyone know if disc TLAD works with the DLC version game save? I've not finished it yet!"

It does, I used my download version save with the disc.
Skurmedel
04/11/09 @ 11:43
#16
+2
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I would love to get these on the PC, but we all know one can't :(. I have it on 360 but can't play it there for the moment. I think the recording facilities on the PC makes it a wee bit more interesting as well.
cianchristopher
04/11/09 @ 11:50
#17
+20
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Imagine a GTA with the smoothness of Uncharted 2 while on foot, Forza 3 in vehicle, with a smart checkpointing system!

All at 60fps and better-than-Crysis graphics at full 1080p!

That's what I want from the next generation!
Edited 1 times, most recently on 04/11/09 @ 11:50
mkreku
04/11/09 @ 11:52
#18
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I didn't know these weren't coming to the PC! Whyyy
HarryPalmer
04/11/09 @ 11:54
#19
+9
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
@ Zomoniac + rogueJT: Hang on, I'm not looking to start an argument! I chose to get a PS3, and yes I knew the DLC would only appear on the 360, but didn't honestly think it would consist of essentially 2 extra GTA games that I really want to play. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough.
Eraysor
04/11/09 @ 12:00
#20
+4
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
One of the best things about TLAD was the number of additions to the rock radio station's playlist.
AliRay
04/11/09 @ 12:04
#21
+3
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
The cover system is fine, imo. If anything, it made the game way too easy, compared to the older GTAs.
Roland_D11
04/11/09 @ 12:04
#22
+8
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
@rogueJT

No, Mori from the Ballad is Brucie's brother, their surname ist Kibbutz, Johnny's is Klebitz.

What I don't like about this are the added radio stations in the Ballad that are only on the disc and not in the downloadable package. That means I get less because I bought TLAD at release and bought the Ballad via Xbox Live...
bad09
04/11/09 @ 12:13
#24
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Cheers for the info YoshiMcTaggis!
GamesConnoisseur
04/11/09 @ 12:24
#25
+10
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
HarryPalmer: Dont worry, you are a rare breeze of an honest PS3 owner who admits he would want the episode and is feeling cheated at how is not going to be able to play them.... Anytime soon.

Same way as X360 owners would secretly feels cheated at being left out of Rockstar's next big project The Agent.

I m just glad to be able to go multi platform.. As good games are too important to be ignored ... just cos on rival platform!
Cherub007
04/11/09 @ 12:27
#26
+3
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
@Ringot

You only come here for the comments? Admittedly this little bunch don't seem bad but most commenters on this site sound like ten-year-old speed freaks who have just learned how to masturbate.
iago71
04/11/09 @ 12:35
#27
+2
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I really wish I had passion for the GTA games. I always want to like em as much as other people seem to but just feel really luke warm when I play them. I appreciate their greatness but just dont seem to get into them. Oh well. :(
Britesparc
04/11/09 @ 12:38
#28
+3
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Nerdy question I know, but how are the achievements worked out for this? GTAIV now has 1500 points worth, including the two DLC packs. So is this release a whole new set of cheevos, meaning it'd be impossible to max out GTAIV unless you bought them twice (not that I stand any chance of doing that, natch)? Or does it just add them to the GTA list?
lavalant
04/11/09 @ 12:40
#29
+1
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Love TLAD and Gay Tony far more than the vanilla GTA4, the new parachuting abilities are just the cherry on the cake, takes me back to pilot wings, 9/10 for me. I'd give it a 10/10 if it weren't for the poor cover system and combat mechanics and those damn cops with shotguns taking me out with one shot, I find it pretty difficult to get 6 stars, easier with the tank now though.

Vice City radio is my number 1 station just now, those that have the downloaded versions, keep an eye out on torrent sites as you can download the full station and play it as a custom soundtrack.

udat
04/11/09 @ 12:41
#30
+4
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I wish I'd know TLAD would come out on a disc with the next episode back when I bought it. Especially as the disc has more content, is no more expensive, and can be re-sold. I'd have not bothered and bought it now.

I was neutral about DLC for a long time, only buying TLAD for GTA4, A couple of Fallout 3 expansions and the Crackdown thing. Now I'm starting to dislike it quite seriously.
Zebula77
04/11/09 @ 12:43
#31
-7
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Waiting for the GOTY of version of this for PS3 (like Fallout 3). It's gonna happen, yes? YES?!?
asphaltcowboy
04/11/09 @ 12:49
#32
+2
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
So if we haven't bought either of the DLC packs yet, we should get the disc version?
lavalant
04/11/09 @ 12:59
#33
+2
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
@asphaltcowboy yes, the disc version is £20 if you look around and has the exclusive Vice City radio station that doesn't come with the DLC, also has a better menu or take up over 4 gig on your HDD.
asphaltcowboy
04/11/09 @ 13:09
#34
+1
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Cheers! I had planned to wait for the disc release, so that's good to know!
Sunyavadin
04/11/09 @ 13:15
#35
+3
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
I bought the disc version so I could have both on a disc, even though I already owned TLAD DLC.

I paid 20 for the disc and it was worth that for Gay Tony alone.
One thing though - The music on the DLC version of TLAD is FAR better than on the version that comes with Gay Tony. LRR and LCHC have a better selection in the DLC version, more suited to the theme of the episode. Also, Gay Tony RUINS Electro-choc across BOTH games (The DLC TLAD uses the original GTAIV version), turning it from a selection of great, harsh electronic stuff to a mess of chart-style noise pollution...

I'm going to stick with playing the DLC version of TLAD and the disc version of Gay Tony. But as I said, I feel it was worth what I paid anyway, so no complaints there.

*edit*
Oh, and come on, Rockstar - would it KILL you to have added support for cross-version multiplayer? I had to download an update when I logged on to GTAIV for the first time in 6 months anyway, how hard would a new update that either added support for TLAD and TBOGT avatars in Free Mode and Deathmatch so owners of both games could play together, or just add a default skin for them to appear as to users of the other game? Not to mention that people with the disc version can't play with people who downloaded THE SAME GAME. This is a bit lazy, not what we expect from R*.
Edited 2 times, most recently on 04/11/09 @ 13:21
funkateer
04/11/09 @ 13:23
#36
-2
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
"Cheated? It was widely reported public knowledge long before GTA IV originally came out last April that both bits of DLC would only ever make it to 360. You can't say you weren't warned."

Not everyone follows the games media as closely as the average gaming nerd, you know...

IMHO, I think bought exclusivity like this is bad for gaming in general. MS wins a bit of exclusivity, R* gets a bit of fast cash, millions of R*'s fanbase that bought GTA4 on PS3 lose. It's not that 360 owners won (this DLC would have been there on 360 without exclusivity anyway), it's just that PS3 owners lost. That can't be good for R* on long term.

R* should have shown some guts and give MS the finger.
Ringot
04/11/09 @ 13:32
#37
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
@Cherub007 yeah I know its funny
Boomerang
04/11/09 @ 13:35
#38
+4
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
"drops frames more noticeably than an epileptic optometrist"

Very good Tom :)
donnie080208
04/11/09 @ 14:26
#39
-6
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
"Mechanics are solid but unspectacular, and lack the finesse intervening games have standardised. " What intervening(sandbox) games are these EG? , Prototype, infamous or SR2? none of the aforementioned games trump Liberty City in either visuals or mechanics. I think there is a lot of revisionism reporting going on, after most places gave it the highest review scores this gen. Msoft buying the rights to these episodes was an excellent decision and has made the 360 the true home of a series that was once closely associated with the playstation brand. anyway bought it for 24.99 and it amazing value for money with over 20 hours of SP gameplay.
Edited 2 times, most recently on 04/11/09 @ 15:39
Skurmedel
04/11/09 @ 14:53
#40
+2
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
How was it an excellent decision for anyone but Microsoft? I don't follow this reasoning. It doesn't matter one bit to you, does it, in the end? I mean if you are on a 360 you would get it anyhow, the only thing it does is lock some people out from playing stuff they want.

I'm just happy I can have all the platforms mentioned, but I would really like to see less exclusivity for multiplatform titles.
local_celebrity
04/11/09 @ 14:58
#41
+5
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
donnie080208.

I never read your posts, because they're always a long piss stream of consciousness.

Use some paragraph breaks, mate. They make the text so much more inviting.
Xerx3s
04/11/09 @ 15:42
#42
-3
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
"Seriously annoyed this isn't on PS3 - actually feel cheated! "

It was well known in advance that this would be exclusive. You don't see people moaning that something like uncharted isn't on another platform, right? Either buy the platform or buy another game to your liking.
donnie080208
04/11/09 @ 15:47
#43
-9
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
@skurmedal, I was talking from a marketing perspective,not personally. I think the DLC has been a massive sucess and made many consumers associate one of the biggest franchises of all time with the xbox. Not only this but the games themselves have sold in huge numbers and probaly made msoft the 50mil back easily. Im personally glad as the 360 is the console of choice this gen and i hope msoft continue in the hardware market for many years. oh yeah,@celebritygamer dont read my posts if you dont want to,its a free country and remember EG is not a grammer test (plus many talented men in human history could neither spell or had good grammer skills. einstein being one/and most doctors)
Xerx3s
04/11/09 @ 15:48
#44
-2
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
"IMHO, I think bought exclusivity like this is bad for gaming in general."

All exclusivity is bought, I don't know but exclusives are usually the best games.
Skurmedel
04/11/09 @ 16:13
#45
+3
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
Xerc3s: There's a flaw in your argument, Uncharted is a wholly exclusive game. GTA 4 is on the PC and the PS3. The only thing exclusive is the DLC. I think people have any right to moan about it. I can easily get the DLC for the 360, but not everybody can do that.

Frankly, I don't see a problem with some people wishing other games were available on their platform, only fanboys wish the opposite.
FladgeMangle
04/11/09 @ 16:19
#46
+4
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
@Donnie080208

Do you know why your posts are always marked down? The whole "xbots" and "PS3LOL" mentality is getting very old and most forum posters these days just want to talk about games. You have an xbox360 and you like it. WE KNOW. My god, we know.

Most of us know the differences between a 360 and the PS3, most of us have made a choice to not give a shit. Please, could you also try to give less of a shit?

(Apologies to Armstrong and Miller, original C4 series.)
jimbo118
04/11/09 @ 16:28
#47
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
3 extra radio-stations? All I know of is ViceFm.

Also can you still visit clothes stores in the episodes? Can't seem to find Perseus(I wish the map would inlcude everything you could interact with, not just internet, pay'n'spray etc)
Sunyavadin
04/11/09 @ 16:46
#48
0
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
You know what'd be REALLY nice?
Having the teams who handle platform localisation of cross-platform games spend a bit of time unifying the networking.
Cross-platform multiplayer is good for business, as it can help to keep a game going long after the population of players on both platforms would have dwindled below the threshold to make more paid DLC worth investing in developing.


Plus the XBot/3Tard crowd could resolve their arguments about which is best - with guns.
KILLA
04/11/09 @ 16:49
#49
+1
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
There's no loading screen music or pause music on TLAD, but there is on Gay Tony on my disc version.
TLAD pauses at some moments during gameplay as well, anyone else have these problems?

It's the disc versions I'm playing and it's installed to drive.
Edited 1 times, most recently on 04/11/09 @ 16:57
KILLA
04/11/09 @ 17:39
#50
+1
You buried this comment
Comment below viewing threshold
Show
-1 means "no" then I take it?

Comments: 1-50 of 55 in total | next 50 »

Want to comment on this article? Log in, or register!

X View gallery