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Capcom France: gamers have deserted Wii News

Wii Xbox 360 PlayStation 3 News by Oli Welsh

6 January, 2010

In a frank interview (in French) with Gamekult (via Spong), Antoine Seux, director general of Capcom France, has deplored the poor sales of hardcore games on Wii, saying gamers have turned their backs on the platform. Capcom's future, Seux says, is firmly on Xbox 360 and PS3.

Seux's comments were triggered by a discussion of the low sales of the recent Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles on Wii, compared to healthy sales of Resident Evil 4 and Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles in previous years.

"In absolute terms the figures aren't that bad, but we're not going to lie to ourselves, they're lower than we hoped," Seux said. "After three weeks, we're at a total of 16,000 copies sold. There's clearly a problem with this style of game on the Wii; gamers have obviously moved on to other things. And yet two years ago, Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles was a great success on Wii. You can see that customers on this console have turned to much more mass-market stuff. It's disappointing."

Hardcore game sales are collapsing on the Nintendo machine, Seux said, while it takes a huge marketing budget for even mass-market games to make a big impression. "We've noticed that so-called 'gamers' games' sell fewer and fewer copies on the Nintendo console, whether it's MadWord, Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop, The House of the Dead: Overkill... the scores weren't anything special. It's a long way from the 140,000 copies Resident Evil 4 Wii sold at the time. It's obviously a worry.

"What works massively well, and I'm relying on GfK figures here, are very, very mass-market games like Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, New Super Mario Bros. Wii and, to a lesser extent, Just Dance and the Rabbids. These titles are very strongly supported, above all, by huge advertising campaigns."

Capcom still has one big bet on Wii left - Monster Hunter Tri, which "is, moreover, a title that could easily cross over from the gaming world to the mass market" - although once again Seux said that its success would depend very much on how much could be spent on advertising. But gamers, Seux reckoned, have all but deserted the Wii for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, and the handheld market is also failing. Capcom's traditional strength in hardcore action games for home consoles leads it squarely into the arms of Sony and Microsoft, he said.

"Two years ago, there were still gamers on the Wii, Nintendo loyalists who - a priori - have turned their backs on this console in favour of the next generation," he said. "[2009 was] the year of the emergence of the so-called next-generation machines. We feel that Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 took a firm foothold in the market. This isn't necessarily reflected in the sales figures, because the Wii still represents a major portion of sales, but the growth is on those two platforms.

"The DS is in decline for various reasons like market saturation and piracy. The PSP is dying for the same reasons. The Wii is very much a family console with relatively low attach rates. So for us at Capcom, the future is on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360."

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wizlon
06/01/10 @ 10:21
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There is a Capcom France!?
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06/01/10 @ 10:23
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for once capcom i agree with (at least 85%) of your statement
bleeptest
06/01/10 @ 10:25
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I just got one for xmas though, they can't give up now!
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06/01/10 @ 10:25
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Finally a publisher who understands that most of the gamers don't care about the Wii anymore, with the exception of some titles.
ParanoidZombie
06/01/10 @ 10:27
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News of the year: PR guy speaks the truth. I'm flabbergasted.
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06/01/10 @ 10:27
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How much gungames can you play then, seems more like a problem of yet another gungame than another hardcore one.
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06/01/10 @ 10:28
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I've certainly deserted mine.
Santino
06/01/10 @ 10:30
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maybe if they had realized that the resi light gun shooter sold on the back of resi 4's success they would have made a proper entry to the series that people actually wanted. nobody wanted a sequel to umbrella chronicles they wanted resi 4 type gameplay.
Buenos_Estente
06/01/10 @ 10:30
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Any brand new resident evil games people may be willing to pay for?

Cant say Im that surprised that "gamers" are on the 360/PS3. I tend to use them to play more "hardcore" games. However still love my wii for the old Nintendo magic and have a bloody good laugh with it when my friends pop over.
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06/01/10 @ 10:30
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While I do see what this guy is getting at, all the games he cited as not selling as well as hoped are wii 'revisions' of existing franchises and titles. If this site is anything to go by, serious gamers will own a Wii as well as a more 'gamer' console. So it's no wonder people don't want to by slightly different versions of the same games.

Wii titles that offer something unique and quality sell fine to serious gamers - he as much says so when he references Resi 4. Make games that are 8/10 or better for any console and we'll buy them...
JohnnyWashnGo
06/01/10 @ 10:35
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See, I don't think of lightgun games as appealing to the 'hardcore gamer' demographic, whatever that is. Lightgun games, to me, are pick-up-and-play-for-5-minutes type of games which I would, if forced, categorise as a 'casual' game.

Games like Tatsunoko, MadWorld, Mario Bros Wii, Muramasa and House of the Dead Overkill are more conventional hardcore type games and, honestly, I don't think the majority of Wii owners are too bothered about any of them.

Its gonna be interesting to see how well Tatsunoko does over here. I imagine it will tank as there just doesn't seem to be a market for fighting games on the Wii.
Machetazo
06/01/10 @ 10:35
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There were staunch Nintendo players, that held on, but they were undercatered for. What's the point in having a console you hardly switch on. Even the joyously fabled blue light of yore failed to deliver. There was no steady supply of titles, because Nintendo had not learned from its Gamecube mistake, of undervaluing, and underutilizing third party suppport. There was a state of uncertainty, while people hoped for the tipping point, but the spread was too thin to be effective, or sustainable. Other platform holders aren't poorly placed to take advantage of Nintendo's position.
trevd72
06/01/10 @ 10:39
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the wii is for women, kids and 20 or 30 somethings that did not play games the first time round. its funny listening to none gamers talking about games they played on the wii. they want the barest interaction most of the time.

they just don't see games the same way as me and I guess you. its not like a gateway drug cos they would never progress to modern warfare of even mario galaxy and zelda, they just want to bowl and play tennis. That is why there is a low attachment rate and the rubbish sells.

overall the wii is shit and is under my TV gathering dust waiting for mario galaxy 2
darkmorgado
06/01/10 @ 10:41
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How much gungames can you play then, seems more like a problem of yet another gungame than another hardcore one.

Exactly. I'd also say that people are getting pretty bored with the whole Resident Evil brand on top of that. I mean, how many Resi games can you get on Wii now? Umbrella Chronicles, Darkside Chronicles, Resi 4, REmake, Resi Zero...

As for lightgun games, there's Ghost Squad, HOTD: Overkill, Dead Space, (arguably) Zelda: Crossbow training, the aforementioned Resi Games...

If Capcom actually did something interesting and original instead of whoring out old IPs that have lost a lot of hardcore interest in recent years and did something interesting then perhaps they might capture the interest of the hardcore again. As it is, lightgun games as a genre have a very niche appeal in the first place (and am I the only person who actually finds playing lightgun games on the wii incredibly tiring on the arms?). Why don't they give us a good old fashioned RPG or adventure game? Something like Little King's Story, or even a decent Wii fighting game. Just because you can use motion controls doesn't mean you HAVE to, as NSMB: Wii showed.
JahB
06/01/10 @ 10:43
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is the fad finally coming to an end?
FooAtari
06/01/10 @ 10:48
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While I do see what this guy is getting at, all the games he cited as not selling as well as hoped are wii 'revisions' of existing franchises and titles.

I think this is a fair point. And maybe, people are generally fed up of Resi games? How will did Resi 5 sell on 360 and PS3?

Still I'm quite surpised to read these kind of comments from a third party developer, even if I do think there is some kind of truth it it.

I sold my Wii around a year ago as it wasn't getting much use and I have not missed it in the slightest. But then I wouldn't really miss my 360 either if I sold that. If I sold my PS3 I would miss it as a BluRay player and media centre platform, not a games console. Console gaming this gen has totally bored me for the most part, the same tat again and again. I have moved to back to being almost exclusively a PC gamer again as caters more to my tastes.

Anyway, gonna end what has turned into a bit of a rant!
TravisTouchdown
06/01/10 @ 10:50
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Hold the phone:

"We've noticed that so-called 'gamers' games' sell fewer and fewer copies on the Nintendo console, whether it's MadWord, Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop, The House of the Dead: Overkill... the scores weren't anything special. It's a long way from the 140,000 copies Resident Evil 4 Wii sold at the time. It's obviously a worry."

The sales on the cited titles weren't great. But as he says himself, nor were the scores. If a great games comes along, it'll generally do better than an average one. Fair enough if he was referencing a bunch of 90+ rated wonder-games that no one bought, but he isn't - and people seem to have stopped bothering to make them on the Wii, save Nintendo themselves and a couple of notable others (roll on No More Heroes 2).

Completely agree that marketing's become the primary Wii sales factor, mind you. Nintendo titles sell not just because they're platform-perfect, but becuase they're on telly. All the time. I truly cannot understand why other publishers haven't taken note and at least tried to follow suit.
originaljohn
06/01/10 @ 10:51
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The publisher is to blame. Marketing sells. That's it, how much marketing did capcom use on this resident evil compared to the 5 million unit seller resident evil 5?
So once again Mr. PR man tells you a load of guff. And if resident evil 4 sold so well, why didn't capcom make another resident evil 4 styled game???
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06/01/10 @ 10:51
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The Wii simply can't provide 'hardcore' games to the same level as can the 360 or PS3, its just not designed for that. Games that play to the strengths of the Wii, however, consistently spank the sales of games on the other two machines.

Sony and MS execs may say the Wii isn't really in the same marketplace anymore mostly to make themselves feel better, but to be honest its mostly true.
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06/01/10 @ 10:54
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"So for us at Capcom, the future is on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360."

Don't forget PC Capcom!
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06/01/10 @ 11:13
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Don't they pay analysts thousands of pounds for this kind of information before they waste tens of millions developing games no one is going to play?
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06/01/10 @ 11:15
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Can you put Monster Hunter on the 360 and PS3 if it's not a massive success on the Wii then please?
spazmo
06/01/10 @ 11:17
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Zelda and Mario Galaxy are as good as anything i've played on the PS3 so the Wii is plenty capable. But as a huge Nintendo fan even i've lost interest in the Wii and Nintendo's general direction. Owning a Nintendo console for me was always about playing the first party games but now it's narrowed even further to SOME of the first party games.
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06/01/10 @ 11:21
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i think we'll be hearing more of this sort of thing. but really, is it so surprising - the wii is a totally different beast from the 360 and PS3. different gen, different customers, different appeal.

it's fine for the sort of jolly nonsense that most families bought one for, but for the sort of games that people on this site would be predominantly playing, it's not a contender. and that's the audience that capcom, for one, are trying to sell to.
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06/01/10 @ 11:23
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@spazmo - +1

Those are exactly my own feelings too.

I've kept my Wii solely for the odd first-party Nintendo game like the next Mario Galaxy and Zelda game but in all honestly I think of the Wii not so much as a must-have games machine these days but more something I'll dig out perhaps twice a year at most to entertain family and friends when they're around.
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06/01/10 @ 11:24
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i could of told him this a year ago,i think a lot of us could of

i have had all the Nintendo machines and the Wii is the first one i have been disappointed in,the best part of it IMO was the VC,i certainly wont be a day one buyer for the next Nintendo
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06/01/10 @ 11:28
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Hardcore gamers are more likely to steal/pirate Wii hardcore games sadly...the mass market are the ones you have to target..and to do that you need to advertise.

As far as Capcom goes..I can only assume they wanted Darkside Chronicles to fail. Compare the multi million pound tv ad campaign for RE5 for the PS3/360...to the 1 banner on Eurogamer campaign for RE Darkside chronicles. Hell.....2 of the stores I went to on launch day never even had Darkside Chronicles in...and the one shop that did only had 2 copies. I doubt 95% of wii owners even knew there was a new RE game released.

Fact is there are 40 million + Wii owners who never owned a Gamecube and are not Nintendo fanboys..if you can't get them to buy a game..then you only have yourself to blame.

If you market ..they will come.

New Super Mario Bros is a "hardcore" gamers game in the traditional sense..and that's up to 9 million sold already.

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UltimateDave_80
06/01/10 @ 11:28
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The Wii got me back into console gamning but now the 360 has taken over. My Wii only really gets used for the iplayer channel now. Zelda was great and so was Mario Galaxy but nothing since has caught me at all. Mario Kart could have been great but the lack of voice-chat killed it. Playing with friends involved (international in my case) phonecalls to arrange a game and then further calls to rub your victory in a friends face. The fact is that "Gamers" are looking for either an epic adventure or competitive online play and the wiii doesn't offer either of these things.
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06/01/10 @ 11:35
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That the new Mario game is being labelled 'mass market' and not 'a gamers game' makes me weep for the industry as a whole.
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06/01/10 @ 11:38
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Hmmm, I got back to playing the Wii (hadn't been turned on in 12 mths) this xmas as the wife and I bought the motion plus with the Wii resort.
It is still fun and I may go back and play Galaxy (didn't really put any time into it).
But with MW2 MP, Borderlands, Dead Space, Fallout 3 to finish. And Bioshock 1 and oblivion to start. Let alone GT5, MAG, GOW3 and Darksiders coming out. I suspect it'll be another year when the wii is turned back on.
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06/01/10 @ 11:48
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i can see how this is happening, as much as I like some Wii games they really are losing there touch and I am playing mostly on my PC these days.

I can also see how the Wii has sold so many, eg I own one and it came out at xmas (talking 2008). Both my parents and my other halfs parents then ended up buying one (both with wii fit too). In my dads case he played wii sports almost everyday for about 10 days and then never bothered again (never touched wii fit). At my other halfs house her mum did play wii fit for about 2 weeks and yet again hasn't been used since.

As more of a gamer myself I am not going to say my wii gets no use, but it is just the ocasional title which standard aprt and works on the Wii, Another Code R is a good example.
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06/01/10 @ 11:49
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I have to agree with other commentors that this is partly down to marketing. Nintendo adverts are everywhere, we get bombarded with PJ and Duncans smug faces pretending to play against the latest actor or Jamie Redknapp and "the family" enjoying a big Wii together. Sandwiched in between all the Wii adverts we get Microsofts Lying "Only on Xbox360" campaign that tell you everything is only on a 360 despite half the games being multiplatform (somebody call advertising standards!).

As far as my non gaming friends are concerned they are barely aware a Ps3 exists at all, and that the "best" games on the Wii are Wii sports and Mario Kart. If you dont like those then you buy a 360 like "everyone else".

Marketing is king and this gen only Nintendo HQ and Microsoft seem to have worked that out.
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The last 3rd party game I bought for the Wii was No More Heroes. I'm even gonna re-buy that for the PS3 when it comes out. I' d basically prefer to play all my 'hardcore' games on the with a normal controller and with great grahics and sound. I'll only play the Wii for a party game like Wii sports or Mario Bros with my girlfriend. The Wii is virtually dead to me and I bet alot of people feel the same way as me.
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06/01/10 @ 11:53
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Hang on a second here, Capcom are complaining about low sales for their games, and they didn't mention Bionic Commando?

Does that get a free pass because it's on PS3/360?

Oh wait... it's Capcom France... in other news, Nintendo of El Salvador say that Mario is a dead franchise...

EDIT: The irony about this comment from Capcom is that they've recently launched MH3 in Japan as a Wii exclusive, and it became one of the best selling home console games in Japan this generation, and is more of a success than any previous MH home console game.
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06/01/10 @ 12:03
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Advertising is important but hell, its doesnt influence my intention to purchase RE5 or RE4, and I m sure this is the same for most of you dedicated gamers.

Wii is limited. Simple as that, the hardware of Wii meant that the games on my 42 1080p screen looks awful most of time compared to X360 or PS3. Much so worse next to PC.

Low res are FINE only on the portable consoles and also the processing grunts are necessary, so when the gamers SEE games such as Batman, BioShock, Bayonetta being available on other consoles but not Wii. WHAT gamers would choose to ignore those and be loyal to Wii?!

There are some good games but only a darned handful. Most of us knows this and after a long while of status quo then we know nothing will change and chose our preferred platform on that basis. Wii only get to be switched on for exclusives that are wonderfully good to play. World of Goo is one, and I beileve Nintendo knows that they have lost the 'hardcore' gamers and instead being dangerously cornered onto the casual quick-but-short-attention-span players with a very low games attach rates.

Nintendo games does reasonably well on Wii but what about the reputable third parties? So far we see mostly cheap shovelware games.

We ll see the repeat of previous two gens problems but from a position of strength!
drumbaby
06/01/10 @ 12:05
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Cappers, stop being stubborn and just release Monster Hunter 3 on a grown up console.
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06/01/10 @ 12:14
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Maybe Capcom should start thinking of creating Wii games that people want to play and that are of a decent quality. Darkside Chronicles really isn't that good.
JahB
06/01/10 @ 12:15
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Cappers, stop being stubborn and just release Monster Hunter 3 on a grown up console.

this +100. i don't understand how they can't see all the $$$ they'd make from that; the only reason why MH doesn't do well in europe/US is because it's hard to find somebody to play ad-hoc with on a PSP. put that game on a home console with XBL/PSN online options, and the stocks will rise by 5%.
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The problem is that the games cited aren't necessarily all that good - or offer something new. When I look at the mature/hardcore games on the 360 for example they all offer something. Condemed, Dead Space, Dead Rising, GTA or Gears of War offered something new. The mature/hardcore titles on the Wii offer blood, with a few notable exceptions of course. I don't know why the developers/publishers think that blood is all it takes. If you take a look at the big selling games on the 360 then you'll find they do have their swearing and they do have their violence but they also have unique gameplay or at least improve quite a bit on a well established formula.
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06/01/10 @ 12:16
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My Wii is haunted :(
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06/01/10 @ 12:16
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I haven't deserted it, and somehow I still find games to buy.

Capcom have some nerve to complain when they release an ugly port (Dead Rising), a port of RE 0, 1 and 4, a port of Okami, and 2 lightgun games. I bought the first Chronicles game, but seeing as I own Hotd and Dead Space as well, I think I'm kinda shootered out. I might pick it up in a few months, but no way in hell will I do it while it is at the current price.

The only bright spot in their Wii portfolio is Zack & Wiki, which ended up being another Okami alas.
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I think this is a fair point. And maybe, people are generally fed up of Resi games? How will did Resi 5 sell on 360 and PS3?

A lot. It sold 5 milions ltd, and it was one of the best selling Capcom title ever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resident_Ev...
miiiguel
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Hardcore gamers are more likely to steal/pirate Wii hardcore games sadly
What does "hardcore gamers" mean? Because if it means ppl who like video-games I doubt they're the ones who pirating. Pirates I know play the games for half an hour then go back to steal some more and never buy games because they're not worth the money, they just toys, "lol". Is that the meaning of "hardcore gamers" ?
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I have to admit, I have little or no interest in buying games for the Wii. Mainly because I just don't like the control system. I was rubbish at Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles so I won't repeat the mistake with Darkside Chronicles, though I hate missing out on parts of the story as a result.

The only other game I had any interest in was Silent Hill - Shattered Memories, but I'll probably just grab the PlayStation 2 version.

If my GameCube hadn't been destroyed, I wouldn't have even bothered with the Wii. I would have made do with the PlayStation 2 version of Resident Evil 4.
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@miiiguel

Damn - you just beat me to it.
The sales was very well deserved too. One of the best action games in 2009. My GOTY second place actually only beaten by Batman AA.
muscleblade
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"Hardcore gamers are more likely to steal/pirate Wii hardcore games sadly "

Sounds more like Softcore criminals to me.
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06/01/10 @ 12:56
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How about you release Resident Evil REmake on the Xbox 360 then, Capcom. The best game in the series and you can only buy it on bloody Nintendo machines. :-(
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When i had the wii on its own when it first came out, I went out and purchased games for it, but when i then got the PS3 and then Xbox, I found that if i wanted to play a indepth game, i had the choice of it being with great graphics and features, or unfortunately with the wii cut down.

Ive only purchase a few games for it in the last few years and they have been games for the kids (but they play the PS3 more).

I think if your a Nintendo game fan, e.g you love stuff like Mario/Zelda, you are probably loving the wii, but for just gamers, many imho (especially those with a PS3/Xbox) would rather get the game in Hd than not. That is the problem... If I want to play a dead space game, I would rather play DS on the PS3, I dont want to get a cut down game on the Wii...

The HD Wii will certainly help, but i have to think they are going to then run into the same issues that the PS3/Xbox had in the early years of this generation, expensive development longer dev times... and with many 3rd parties not seeing good returns on a game, I cant see a HD wii helping.
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I tend to agree with most of his statement, but might the low sales of the game have something to do with the genre in which it sits. Zombie / horror shooters on Wii were something of a novelty when Umbrella Chronicles came out, now there's loads of them, even within the niche on-rails sub-genre. That and the fact that the novelty of the 'zapper' as an exciting new peripheral has worn off.

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