Bionic Commando PS3 has Achievements News

Sony might as well just bite the bullet and officially create their own version of Achievements. The consumer loves 'em, third party developers are starting to include them, and even their biggest first-party title of last year had their own version.

They are, it's all integrated into Home though.

Microsoft did not invent achievements people, Games have been using them for ages, like Medal Of Honor, Battlefield 2, they all have achievements.

so a bit like cod4's rank up challenges then?

and this is groundbreaking why?

no-ones saying MS invented achievements, just the fact that they made them a requirement for every game

MEtroid PRime 3 had achievements too. No big.

@THEGREATMADMAN

"Microsoft did not invent achievements people....."

That's funny I've been gaming for 25 years and I never saw a console with a gamerscore and recorded achievement system for every game until MS invented it...............

Spyro 2 on the PS1 had achievements. In fact, I'd go so far to say that Insomniac invented the achievements system as we know it today.

@ bad09

Nothing you said contradicts what he said.

When I got the achievement of punching the heads off a hundred zombies, or Uzi'ng 150 Duckmen in Timesplitters 8 years ago, I didn't feel any to try to impress internet goons with a special badge. I suppose that sort of thing is nice if your Mum still puts good exam marks on the fridge with a magnetic banana.

Acheivements in games are definitely not new and were most definitely not invented by microsoft. The difference is that they were not permenantly recorded and put on display until xbox live. The aim even back in the PS1 era, was to show your friends what you had done. Timesplitters used them to unlock new characters, levels and weapons. People tended to trade saves as an easy way to unlock stuff.

Microsoft's solution is created for an online community, where you can't simply invite bob from Rio over to see that you have indeed unlocked the mega-death-kill acievement on mega Rambo slash. Instead he can look at your gamer card and see that you got it last thursday just as you said you did. It promotes a healthy competition and gives boasting rights to gamers as they compete on the same games together.

As I've mentioned before (and Disc just mentioned) Sony's Home service has a trophy system that is exactly the same as lives achievements and gamer score. While the trophies on the beta are all dummy ones, the aim is to invite your friends around to see your trophy collection and gamer art pictures that you got while playing game x or for unlocking achievement y in game x. It's simply a more visual system. The problem I see with this is that I'd much rather look at a friends gamer card than load Home and trudge over to his virtual pad just to see what trophy he got.

@ Hughes

Come on , he is trying to compare the achievements system to a bonus feature in a handful of games. You can't compare those achievement bonuses to the achievement system in place with 360 or the system that will be used on PS3.

"suppose that sort of thing is nice if your Mum still puts good exam marks on the fridge with a magnetic banana"

Why do some people think achievements are a way to show off or something? Personally I think (if done right) they can add a new level of enjoyment to gaming that wasn't there before and entice gamers to pay more attention to a game then they might without achievements.

Although I filled with pride when I went over 10,000 GS! ;)

Achievements, Trophies or Accomplishments, whatever it is, its just a record to show your victories and skills. Modern day version of the Great Hunter's hall of the Stuffed Bears and Deer Head Trophies on the walls. People do like to see leaderboard whether friends or global and know where they stand.

DMC4 leaderboard I was right chuffed when I saw my place in the four number figures instead of five or six figures, so pretty close to the top 1000 people at the time in the whole wide world. Anyway leaderboard or scoretable all serve the same purpose which is to struts your stuff for everyone to see. Course lots of people not bothered and just happy to play game and press 'AAA' as their initial. But imagine your surprise and pleasure when you see your name come up as No 1, when the game tell you 'You achieved the rank of the Ninja Rock Hard'. You do feel that your efforts expended had been worthwhile.

MS really nailed it in my view when they made Achievements and Gamerscore central to their system, Sony hummed and hahhed about it, now too much time had gone past for they to be able to have a system that cover the whole range of games, instead PS3 have different 'system' for different titles (Resistance, DMC4, Bionic Commando as examples). We know they will intergrate them into Home as Trophies, but what is one game victory equalivant to another game? What number of trophies for each game? Too many trophies will be messy, will some game just give you trophies for simply completing the game?

We will see how they implement it soon enough and how games will intergrate.

A few months ago, the anti-MS crew said Achievements suck, it's bad and stuff. Now that there's no point in fighting it, ppl do love it, MS didn't invent Achivements.
As someone said, I've been playing video-games since speccy, and I never had the chance to compare my "Achivements" to my friends at a distance of a push of a button.
And MS also implemented rules for Achievments, it's not just like a random number of random stuff. Every game has to have it, 1000 + 250 for expansions; 200 for XBLA + 50 for its expansions. It was the rules and the integration that made it a success.

If one thinks about Gamescore/Achievements are worthless, but so is every ludic action, isn't it ? But Marx is dead, shit...!

But fear not, Home (when?) will have something like that.

Try to say it slowly..., "the... evil... dudes... can... do... some...thing... r... i... gh... t..."

itd be nice if you got things for achievements in games.. thats something sony has done right when theyve included some kind of point system .. like in drakes and ratchet... it seems like you should get ingame content for some of the achievements you finish or even fully 1000/1000ing a game.. for instance you get the full 1000 in uncharted and you get the doughnut drake skin..id like microsoft to do more of that... that said IF i do get bionic comando..it will be the 360 one all the way cos y'ow... points

I like the achievements system but I dislike having the silly gamer-points - or numbers as we know - just to willy wave or show that he/she has no life.

Personally I like the achievement system when it has been implemented into a game with a bit of thought. Crackdown for example, if achievements are your thing, then you could have great fun trying to get all of them from that game, it would make you do silly, fun acts, that you wouldn't normally think of doing without the achievement outline there as a basic guideline, to sum it up they can definitely add longevity to a title.
But then of course at the opposite end you have utter shite like Avatar, which was basically the developers saying ''Yeah our game's dire, but it's renowned for the stupidly easy hand out of 1000GP, so a few losers will buy it just for that''
I'm not majorly competitive with them, and with a score of 10800 odd I'm certainly no where near the majority of my mates, but I still think they were overall a good idea, and are generally well implemented into most games.

on a little side note here: after watching two of the gameplay trailers i've been left with an impression that the game handles like an utter crap.

I loved achievements at first, doing well at games and ading up to a gamerscore to show what your achieved in every game, viewable by your friends so you can have rivalrys going on. I even bought games tha I could've had on other, cheaper systems just for the achievements.

It went like this for so long, then suddenly it dawned on me the downside. I had 30+ games, that I would never, ever be able to complete. I hated this, and the fact I had a permenent record of this badness. It was Devil May Cry 4 that made me realise how much pressure (gaming presure, not equal to job interviews or being at gunpoint) these achievements were putting on me. I hated the thought of having to achieve a certain level of play or the game wouldn't count as "finished", thanks to my obsesive nature.

Then I finally got lucky, and won a PS3 from this very site, and saw it as an opportunity to get out of the gamerscore lifestyle (again, gaming lifestyle) and start having proper fun with no pressure. So I traded my 360 in and never looked back.

One of the games I got was Devil May Cry 4, and I was having fun like usual, happy that I didn't have to earn anything except the right to play the next level, when up pops a mesage "Accoplishment Unlocked". Whaaa? I got a PS3 to get away from the system, only to buy the first game to feature (that I know of) Accomplishments!

Of course, this time only people on my friends list that own the game seem to be able to see my rubbish set of accomplishments, so I'll just ignore them, until I find out you get some Dante statue in Home for getting them all. Then I'll be back to the old ways...

No one will read this whole post. if you do, I salute you :) But basically I switched console because don't want achievements.

Miiiguel, you really need to start charging Microsoft for this constant defending of them that you do. Why? I just don't understand how you care so much. My Xbox 360 plays games. Nothing else. It occasionally breaks down (not mine, touch wood!), it occasionally tries to get me to buy a Gold membership (but I won't, I am happy playing for free on my PC). What is it that yours do, that makes you buy THREE of them AND spend half your day every day defending it on various gamer sites?