60GB PS3 drops to GBP 349

By Games Industry.biz Published 5 October, 2007

40GB PS3 introduced, no BC.

Sony has dropped the price of the 60GB PlayStation 3 to GBP 349 and introduced an "entry level" 40GB model to retail at GBP 299, GamesIndustry.biz reports.

The repositioned prices will come into effect on 10th October, with the new 60GB "value pack" including two first-party games for the GBP 349 asking price, along with a single controller.

It takes the place of the current Sony GBP 425 bundle, which included the console, two first-party games and an extra Sixaxis controller.

At the lower price point is the new 40GB model which only features two USB ports rather than four, and loses the multi-memory card slot and backwards compatibility with the PlayStation 2 catalogue.

Sony says that it has introduced the two new offerings following "feedback from thousands of existing PS3 owners as well as research into future potential PS3 owners".

"As we approach our first PlayStation Christmas, it is satisfying to be able to offer UK consumers the choice of two PlayStation 3 packages both now representing remarkable value," commented Ray Maguire, MD of SCEUK.

"We have a brand new 40GB machine that represents an excellent entry point into the world of high definition games and movies, and we have the fully featured 60GB machine being offered with two next-generation gaming experiences at a highly competitive price."

David Reeves, president of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe added: "The introduction of the new PS3 has been the result of extensive research into the entertainment needs and preferences of the next-generation PS3 owners."

A full interview with Ray Maguire, where he discusses the new price points in detail, dismisses any comparisons with Microsoft's Xbox 360 pricing, and chats about the problems of early adoption, can be read on GamesIndustry.biz on Monday.

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  • Peew971 #1 4 years ago

    First \o/

  • Razz #2 4 years ago

    WHAT IS THIS VOODOO? I HAD NO IDEA SONY WHERE DOIGN THIS!

  • Bertie Verified Senior Staff Writer, Eurogamer.net #3 4 years ago

    Oho!

  • Syrette #4 4 years ago

    OMG THAT IS SO CHEAP omg

  • smelly #5 4 years ago

    No back compat? Fook that.

  • Razz #6 4 years ago

    299GBP is a bit cheeky though. It sould be at least 100 quid less than the 60Gb bundle
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 16:33

  • david78 #7 4 years ago

    /Buys soon

  • Tiel #8 4 years ago

    This is because I bought one last weekend.
    Still, for the extra 75 quid I got an extra extra game, and a controller, so things could be worse.
    Can't see the 50 quid cheaper model as a good deal though, losing 2 games and BC!

  • drumbaby #9 4 years ago

    All you lucky people can now jump on the PS3 bandwagon...welcome :)

  • JonFE #10 4 years ago

    Anything official for the rest of Europe?

  • krudster #11 4 years ago

    They should have asked us: hands up who wants backward compatibility?

  • krudster #12 4 years ago

    Also, if backward compatibility was being done in software anyway, why take it out?

  • david78 #13 4 years ago

    I don't care. I have a PS2

  • [maven] #14 4 years ago

    .o/

  • Killerbee #15 4 years ago

    Has anyone at Sony actually confirmed that all backwards compatibility has been taken out of the 40GB version?

    It's just that I've read some reports that say the Emotion engine has gone (which is fine because it was never in Euro versions in the first place) but that the software emulation remains. In other words, the "loss" of BC announcement is only really relevant to the US and Japan.

    Anyone?

  • captainrentboy #16 4 years ago

    There's no way to spin this at all, this is a very good move by Sony, and it should see quite a huuuge increase in PS3 sales, let's face it, that £425 price point was fooking rediculous, but this far more wallet friendly. Personally I like the sound of the cheapy one, as I couldn't give two shits about Backwards Compatibility, or the extra card readers.
    Yep, I'll be getting one in the new year most definitely, can't afford at the mo as there's faaar too much coming out on the 360, and chrimbo pressies must be bought.
    Well done Sony though, Brav fucking ohh.

  • Salvia #17 4 years ago

    People will bleat about the lack of BC but quite frankly it's not that much of a big deal. For the majority of people that are desperate to play PS2 games they'll keep hold of their ps2 if they buy a ps3 .

  • SIDEARM #18 4 years ago

    @drumbaby - I am already on the PS3 bandwagon. It is boring lonely and devoid of decent games at the mo. How do I get off?

  • Peew971 #19 4 years ago

    This is actually a great move from Sony. It's the same price as the Elite but with a Blu Ray player. People who care about BC will just have to keep their PS2, 60 GB is 3 times the 360 Premium storage and 2 USB ports are more than enough.
    Even without a system-seller game, they can be confident they'll sell loads with a good price combined with the Playstation name.

  • david78 #20 4 years ago

    Me thinks i'll be buying a PS3 rather soon...

  • AcidSnake #21 4 years ago

    Just a quick point:
    Rock band will use more than 2 usb ports won't it? (Hence there being a multitap dealy on the 360 release)...
    So how will this work? Will Rock band package a multitap for the few 4OGB PS3 users?

    They've gone one SKU too many I think...

    Also, Backwards compatibility loss: Boo!
    Price cut: Big yay!

  • barnard666 #22 4 years ago

    I don't really feel as if I have had £75 worth of fun from my PS3 since launch :(

    So I guess this means the BC list will never be updated again, but there was no physical component involved, so I dont understand. Perhaps its a way of getting people to rush out and buy expensive ones why the still can!

  • Ace_McCloud #23 4 years ago

    Finally! I'd say well done, but they should've done this a year ago!

    /slaps the faces of all of those who paid £425 for one.

    "But...but... I got to play -" /SLAP! No you didn't! You were foolish!

  • krudster #24 4 years ago

    So, what if Blu-Ray players weren't compatible with DVDs. Would that be ok? Or would you simply say to people "if you're that desperate to play your old DVDs, you can use your old DVD player".

    That argument stinks. It's a pathetic decision.

  • Chim_chimma_nee! #25 4 years ago

    So we're paying less...but getting less.
    And that's a good thing?

  • Psychotext #26 4 years ago

    For those confused about the BC... The euro PS3 still had the PS2 graphics chip in it so it wasn't 100% software emulation. That chip is no longer present.

    Glad to see the price drop though it'll be next year before I pick one up because of a lack of games.

  • JonFE #27 4 years ago

    krudster, as I understand it, not all PS2 hardware bits were removed for the launch models and software BC needs the remaining bits. However, for the cheap 40Gb model, Sony removed all PS2 hardware to cut costs, so, instantly, BC is gone.

    Someone should point Sony out that they promised 100% BC, though...

  • Moz #28 4 years ago

    "Just a quick point:
    Rock band will use more than 2 usb ports won't it? (Hence there being a multitap dealy on the 360 release)... "

    Wrong the PS3 version of Rock band comes with a wireless guitar so you only need usb for mic and drums

  • rhinoxious #29 4 years ago

    The £349 bundle looks a much better deal than the £299 though!

    You get a bigger hard disk, b/c, extra ports, and the two games which you could play and then still trade in for about £40 of the £50 difference.

    Tempting, but I'm still struggling to find software to justify it. If I bought it now it would only be as a Blu-ray player.

    =FOR SPELLING=
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 16:46

  • Carlo #30 4 years ago

    Sweet spot price hit.

    Welcome, the masses.

  • dadrester #31 4 years ago

    People will bleat about the lack of BC but quite frankly it's not that much of a big deal. For the majority of people that are desperate to play PS2 games they'll keep hold of their ps2 if they buy a ps3.

    what about if you want smooth up scaling? :(
    will buy the 60giger (answers own question)

  • killyourtv #32 4 years ago

    shockwaves!

  • dylman #33 4 years ago

    I still don't want one.

  • X201 #34 4 years ago

    Amazon were bundling the PS3 games controller etc for 399
    So might be a chance of them going £25 quid lower than official price again. So might be a chance of £325

    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 16:45

  • Eighthours #35 4 years ago

    The £349 model is massively better value than the newbie one. Massively.

  • Razz #36 4 years ago

    Also, if backward compatibility was being done in software anyway, why take it out?

    Not true.

  • Ace_McCloud #37 4 years ago

    "Someone should point Sony out that they promised 100% BC, though... "

    How many things do Sony need pointing out? They've been arses this generation, big arrogant arses...

    As for BC, how many people play last gen games still out of curiosity? There's all this back catalogue chat, but I personally couldn't give a shit about my old collection. It never gets played (maybe once in a very long while, and then I realise how dated it is, and play the latest in the genre again and feel good..... Goldeneye anyone?)

  • captainrentboy #38 4 years ago

    The question is where will Microsoft go from here, as from a tech head's perspective, the Elite is fairly pricey now, baring in mind it has no HD movie playback.
    But then them doing another price drop on their machine so soon after the last one could seem a little desperate, and your average consumer could be left wondering ''Why has it dropped in price again so quickly?''
    Let's not get carried away here though, yes Sony dropping the price is nice, but the game situation is still dire, and needs sorting rapidly, I mean the only reason I want one is because it's a nice Blu-Ray player.

  • AcidSnake #39 4 years ago

    @Moz:
    Ah yes...But what if you want 11 Drum kits?...
    :)
    It was really about removing ports, but I guess you're correct in reasoning that there won't be a game that uses more than 2...

  • squeakyg #40 4 years ago

    I don't really understand the exclusion of the backwards-compatibility. Euro PS3s have only ever had software emulation... how can they take away software emulation? To do so would be an act of purposely crippling the PS3 for no factory cost advantage!

  • ParanoidZombie #41 4 years ago

    Official for France as well: -100€ on both SKUs. Damn, I thought Sony was losing money on every console they sell, like 150$ on every 600$ console. Maybe I misunderstood the whole thing, but it looks like a very bold move from a financial standpoint, doesn't it? If I was an early adopter, I'd be pretty pissed right now.

  • Cyclone #42 4 years ago

    PS3 with 2 games for €500. Excellent. How I just have to find some place that'll give me a 10% student discount as well.

  • JediMasterMalik #43 4 years ago

    There's plenty worth playing, retard.

  • rhinoxious #44 4 years ago

    If you've got a 360 there certainly isn't muchpoint in getting a PS3 for games right now.

    But if you haven't 'jumped in' yet then the multi-platform line up is getting pretty good and the PS3 is a Blu-ray player, if you like that kind of thing.

    I can see them selling a few this xmas.

  • lennon #45 4 years ago

    Im firmly with Krudster on this. No backwards compatiability is a shit decsion.

  • Moz #46 4 years ago

    "whats the point? There's still nothing worth playing..."

    For you maybe, but for other there is Motorstorm and Reistance for a start (And I personally prefer resistance online to Halo3)

    And I wouldn't be surpised if Rachet and Clank is added to the choice of bundled games.

    Also alot of people seem to ignore the multiplatform games, yes the 360 versions a marginally better in most cases but the PS3 versions are still very playable. Once Singstar and Buzz TV hit the shelves the PS3 at the new price will be very attractive to alot of people.

  • drxym #47 4 years ago

    So the choice is this - a cheaper fully functional PS3 & blu-ray player but no BC, or a slightly more expensive bundle (while stocks last) which includes BC. Seems fair enough. I'm sure it won't stop people bitching and whining about BC, but let's face it, if you want the BC you still have the option to buy a PS3 with it.

  • JavaJawaUK #48 4 years ago

    > All you lucky people can now jump on the PS3 bandwagon...welcome :)

    Poor suckers. I hope that these kids enjoy their lack of BC.

  • AcidSnake #49 4 years ago

    They should have done this last week just before the Halo 3 launch actually...Steal its thunder...

  • skillian #50 4 years ago

    Not bothered about the loss of back-cat compatibility, and the price is now pretty tempting.

    But at the risk of restating the obvious, it would still need a couple more good games to actually convince me (if I could be convinced at all).

    If I didn't already have a Media PC under my TV however, I'd probably grab one come October 10th.

  • Darren #51 4 years ago

    Wooh, £349 for the 60 GB PS3 plus two games is a damn good price and should help Sony sell a few more PS3s in the run up to Christmas but they still need to get some quality games out if they want to convince people to buy one over the Xbox 360, which has a vastly superior line up of triple A games.

    Also the sub-£300 40 GB HDD model is in theory a good idea but the price difference between it and the £349 model is somewhat diluted by the fact that you get 2 "free" games with it!!! LOL

  • Steroyd #52 4 years ago

    Sony are f***tards for taking out B/C, it'll share the same fate as the 20GB SKU.

  • SleepyMagpie #53 4 years ago

    When the PS3 was first released it was a bad choice, as the price point was exorbitant.

    Now the price is approaching what I would call reasonable for a next-gen console.

    But. Guess what. I still don't want one.

    Where are the games?!! That is still a lot of money for a machine with more stinkers and mediocre offerings than A-grades..

    Waiting. Got my 360. Happy camper.

  • JediMasterMalik #54 4 years ago

    @ashed - No, why would it? I've been playing mine for months, I'm perfectly happy with paying more for it earlier.

  • rhinoxious #55 4 years ago

    I reckon I'll pick up a second hand one maybe, prices have to fall, and the hardware is reliable enough to make it a safe bet.

  • Darren #56 4 years ago

    How much have Sony saved on each 40GB HDD PS3 by removing the Emotion Engine chip, 50p? £1? Seems odd that the cutdown model will sell for £299 but for £50 more you get the full spec PS3, a larger HDD, backwards compatibility and two free games. Why would anyone want to buy the 40 GB HDD model? :?

  • playgen #57 4 years ago

    What the hell is the point in the £300 model, no backwards compatability and no games with it, they shouldn't have bothered with it. The £350 model is the only one they should have done, would be better than having a confusing array of consoles, and you can bet people are going to buy the cheap ps3 not knowing it can't play ps2 games.

  • Artemus #58 4 years ago

    Is removing software emulation is saving them any money?

  • playgen #59 4 years ago

    "Is removing software emulation is saving them any money? "

    Its not total software emulation, while the emotion engine CPU was removed, the ps2 graphics chip is still needed. And it seems the PS3 isn't powerful enough to totally emulate the complex PS2 in software - or else they would have done that.

  • Killerbee #60 4 years ago

    Okay, so it sounds as though backwards compatibility is very much gone.

    And yes, for me, this is a deal breaker on the 40GB model. I am still playing a number of my PS2 games and will want to continue doing so for some months. The PS2 - as I'm sure Sony would readily agree - is far from being "retired" right now and it's not unreasonable for keen gamers to want to play old games on their new machine. FFS, even the casual crowd might want to dip into their old Singstar disks every once in a while.

    Nintendo made it a very easy decision for me to switch my Cube for a Wii even though I still had games to play on it. Just like when I traded my PS1 for a PS2 - it was a logical step. Not everyone wants to have several consoles littered around their living rooms.

    Sony made a big thing out of promising 100% BC around the time the Xbox 360 was launched without it, and they've reneged on that promise. At best, that leaves a sour taste in the mouth. At worst (for them) it means lost sales to gamers who will hold on to their last gen machines.

  • peteb #61 4 years ago

    i wonder will the 60GB version be phased out so Sony can have the PS3 at the 299 sweetspot?

    It really doesn't make sense having these two SKUs unless the 60GB is on the chopping block...

  • Peew971 #62 4 years ago

    I still think this is a great move and will greatly benefit PS3 sales. However, unlike many here, I'm not sure selling it on its Blu-Ray player alone is the way to go given that most people still have a SDTV, therefore couldn't give a rat's ass about Blu-Ray (not to mention HD-DVD exclusive movies).
    At the end of the day, it's all about the games.

    Edit: I kept all my Xbox games, praised BC, played them a couple of times and now they're gathering dust. New Gen FTW \o/


    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 17:02

  • Moz #63 4 years ago

    I'd put money on shops bundling 2 games with the cheaper version anyway.

  • skillian #64 4 years ago

    Sony haven't renegged on any promises, you can still get back-cat on the 60Gb version.

    And adding a second SKU isn't that confusing - the Xbox has four different models out at the moment and that seems to do alright.

  • jiveguy #65 4 years ago

    Also, if backward compatibility was being done in software anyway, why take it out?
    It's obvious, BC requires 60GB of space, 40GB just doesn't cut it these days. THESE DAYS!

    So the 60GB pack comes with 1 extra controller, 2 games and 20GB of extra storage, all for 50 hermajesty bucks? Does't that make it cheaper to us?

  • Moz #66 4 years ago

    "i wonder will the 60GB version be phased out so Sony can have the PS3 at the 299 sweetspot?

    It really doesn't make sense having these two SKUs unless the 60GB is on the chopping block..."

    More likely that the 60GB gets replaced by the 80GB they have in the states maybe dropping the bundled games at the same time some time after xmas

  • Rodney #67 4 years ago

    I just bought an elite but I have to say if this budget PS3 was available last week it would have been a very tough choice. £300 PS3/Blue Ray player really is excellent value.

    well done Sony you finally did something right.

  • Artemus #68 4 years ago

    @playgen

    Ah right. Thanks for clearing that up. Question now is, how much is the removal of the PS2 graphics chip saving them? Can't be that much, right?

  • peteb #69 4 years ago

    More likely that the 60GB gets replaced by the 80GB they have in the states maybe dropping the bundled games at the same time some time after xmas

    yea i reckon you're right there

  • richardiox #70 4 years ago

    bearing in mind how consistant MS was with their SKUs and pricing structure for the first 18-20 months of the 360 lifecycle, it reeks of a company in panic the amount of changes Sony have made to its PS3 packages since March. Globally, there has now been 20/40/60/80gig version and then within though other differneces such as back compat, usb slots etc.

    And to think Sony derided MS for having multiple SKUs for the 360.

    That said, it was a very wise move to bring it to sub £300 for Christmas but still prohibitively expensive for the causual market and MS with its strong software lineup for christmas seems to have claimed the hardcore crowd.

    Will be interesting to see what happens to Sales from next week.

  • Ace_McCloud #71 4 years ago

    OMG, trying to justify buying this wank piece of kit at £425 just reeks of fanboyism imo. I just can't see any justification for it?!? I mean really, it's only just reasonable at £300...

    What really gets me, is all those people banging on about how Halo 3 was this over hyped over rated beast that only fanboys/people who bought into the hype bought... Erm, PS3 anyone? At least Halo 3 was well recieved.
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 17:05

  • Stiggy #72 4 years ago

    with places like Shopto.net selling the vanilla 60gb for £329, I wonder what they manage with this new price. I only want it for BR and GT5 so its looking tempting now.

  • jonocarr1983 #73 4 years ago

    Finally within my price range. Will probably get one at the end of the month.

  • Moz #74 4 years ago

    "it reeks of a company in panic the amount of changes Sony have made to its PS3 packages since March. Globally, there has now been 20/40/60/80gig version and then within though other differneces such as back compat, usb slots etc. "

    As I've said in another thread you have to remember that Jo public doesn't pay as much notice as we do so will be totally obliviouse to the other SKU's in other countries

  • Killerbee #75 4 years ago

    Sony haven't renegged on any promises, you can still get back-cat on the 60Gb version.

    They did - originally the PS3 was going to be 100% backwards compatible. The US and Japan got that, but we Europeans got shafted with software emulation which was only ever about 80% of the way there.

    The issue I have is that Sony have effectively severed the link between the PS2 and the 40GB PS3 model, name aside.

    You might as well go and buy a 360 Premium instead for all the good your PS2 game collection will be to you. And therein, I feel, lies the rub.

  • Grogmonkey #76 4 years ago

    Could be crazy marketing from Sony. Offer a £300 console that makes you think "Oooh, that's not bad for a games console and a Blu-Ray player." But then you notice, for £50 extra, you get a fair amount more with the 60GB version.

    Sort of enticing people in the door with the lure of the £300 PS3, but practically forcing people to buy the £350 version because it represents better value. I bet a fair few people even here looked at the 40GB version and thought "Yeah, £300 is pretty aces," but then read the lack of BC and thought "No BC? I'll get the 60GB version instead, then."

    Or it could just be Crazy Sony with a crazy marketing coincidence.

  • kissthestick #77 4 years ago

    yesssss, well done sony, as a 360 owner you've made me very happy :D

  • optimusprym8 #78 4 years ago

    well that's the price I paid for the £425 3 games + extra controller pack anyway

  • playgen #79 4 years ago

    "Ah right. Thanks for clearing that up. Question now is, how much is the removal of the PS2 graphics chip saving them? Can't be that much, right? "

    After the millions of ps2s that have been made, I should think its graphics chip costs very little to make, but perhaps not.

    The real question is, do you get to choose the two games with the £350 pack?, are people going to end up being stung with no backwards compatability just because they don't want the games sony are bundling?

  • Ryze #80 4 years ago

    Oh, Sony, Sony, Sony.

    At least they responded, eh?

    This could save their skin - but those modifications (HDD, EE, USB & Memory card slots) did NOT save Sony £125 per unit.

    Glad they've been forced to respond anyway.

    Things will now get interesting.

  • afghan_jones #81 4 years ago

    To be honest it means fuck all to me. For £350 or for £150 theres no games on it so Im just not bothered.

    If the games were up to scratch Id happily pay £600, £700 whatever, the games are the key.

  • Moz #82 4 years ago

    "sort of enticing people in the door with the lure of the £300 PS3, but practically forcing people to buy the £350 version because it represents better value."

    But then who's going to buy a system without any games anyway?

    The only people buying the 40GB will either be stupid or looking for a BluRay player with the intention of buying the games they want when they come out

  • hokuto_no_rob #83 4 years ago

    Pathetic. Sheer desperation.

  • DonnieDarko333 #84 4 years ago

    Well done Sony, now watch the sales increase quite alot.

  • MaxiSleep #85 4 years ago

    I suppose we can only expect the tools at sony to reverse their previous shambolic promises. Morons.

  • dadrester #86 4 years ago

    can someone clarify... Europe gets the current starter pack (60Gb 2 Sixaxis and 2 games) foe 499 euro... we get new value pack (60gb 1 sixaxis and 2 games - with a bigger choice)... is that right?

  • CrumpledPaper #87 4 years ago

    Jump in :)

    About the games? Amongst these you should find some games you're interested in, or else I'd have to wonder about your interest in games versus your interest in platform fanboyism - Resistance, VF5, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, Super Startdust HD, Tekken 5 (online), Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Warhawk and very soon, Singstar, Folklore, Eye of Judgement, Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction, Uncharted, Wipeout HD, GT5 Prologue...not to mention the rest, and the rest of the big multiplatform stuff....there's plenty of choice and variety. And 2008 looks stellar for the PS3.

    As for this news, it's exactly what Sony needs. It's all well and good having a great value 'ultimate machine' with all the bells and whistles, but if people can't afford it, then you have a problem. PS2 BC is a compromise well worth making to get the price down to this level for Xmas..the number one problem with the PS3 was its price, and a lack of PS2 BC isn't anything to write home about in comparison. The core PS3 platform, with HDD, Blu-ray etc. remains intact, and makes certain other platforms look piecemeal by comparison, so there's no reason for people to be too critical of that compared to what others have done.
    Edited by 2 at 05/10/07 @ 17:21

  • playgen #88 4 years ago

    It will really sell by the time its £200, and they will have removed the pad, power and tv leads, no usb ports, only compatible with half the ps3 games, and it comes in parts you have to assemble yourself.
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 17:19

  • The-Bodybuilder #89 4 years ago

    At this rate, I'm confident that the £350 model will be £300 come MGS4 time.

  • Retroid #90 4 years ago

    Congrats Sony: a year on market (around the world, going on for nine here) and with hardware revisions and feature slashing you've JUST ABOUT MANAGED to.... well, be £20 more expensive than the 360 was when it was released two years ago.

    :/

  • deaner #91 4 years ago

    It's a better move than the game-budle one. But still not what the consumer really wants.

    That said, Come PES08 I'll no longer need backwards compatibility for anything.

    Wonder if I can manually upgrade to a 500Gb HDD...?

  • el_pollo_diablo #92 4 years ago

    What a messy start to the life of a console this year has been for them. I do hope this encourages plenty of sales because then, obviously, the games will follow. The PS3 is actually a pretty amazing piece of kit.

  • Moz #93 4 years ago

    "Wonder if I can manually upgrade to a 500Gb HDD...?"

    Not sure but I think 160GB if the maximum for 2.5" HDD

  • bonker #94 4 years ago

    Gotta admit I'm somewhat taken aback by some of the excitement at this price drop.

    Is it not the case that the only thing that has changed is that when you buy one now and it's gathering dust in a corner somewhere in a month's time, as was the case with lots of PS3 early-adopters, that it will have cost you £75-odd less than before??

    Knock another £50 off the tard-pack and even I may be interested in it as a 'cheap' HD player (assuming it's able to play/decode x/h264 files from my network, otherwise forget it) but it's a looooong way from being attractive as a gaming platform, at almost any price ...

    There'll be another £50 off in Spring 2008 and there *may* be some quality games around by then but for now I don't see that this has changed anything at all re the PS3's attractiveness or its prospects in general ...
    Edited by 2 at 05/10/07 @ 17:26

  • WickedDeeJ #95 4 years ago

    Ok, they finally realised the pricecut was necessary; good for them. Now may we have some exclusives beyond MGS4 and/or FF to convince us to purchase the system?

  • el_pollo_diablo #96 4 years ago

    Man, some people are never satisfied...

  • reddevil93 #97 4 years ago

    Afgan Jones:
    "To be honest it means fuck all to me. For £350 or for £150 theres no games on it so Im just not bothered.

    If the games were up to scratch Id happily pay £600, £700 whatever, the games are the key."

    That the stupidest thing I've read all day.
    So would you pay £700 for the 360 if thats whta MS were asking?

  • kangarootoo #98 4 years ago

    Well thank christ for that. More PS3s sold means more weight behind getting PS3 games on the market, which is better for everyone who owns one.

    If you are going to cut features, I would guess they have chosen the right ones. Wifi is still in, which is the key thing for many. 2 USB ports is still fine, and you can always use a hub if its manadatory you have more ports. And there is still USB memory sticks if needed (though that was the cut I was least sure about).

    It is my genuine belief that most PS3 owners don't care that much about BC, and of those that do, more actual PS3 games will make the whole issue even less significant.

  • Razzajazz #99 4 years ago

    It's very good that Sony have dropped the price, so that now anyone who buys can use that saving to invest in a couple of Dualshock 3's when they finally deign to arrive on our shores.....

  • el_pollo_diablo #100 4 years ago

    @Razzajazz:

    you do actually make a very good point there. The dualshock 3 is the real hidden cost of the system :)
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 17:29

  • Gurgeh #101 4 years ago

    Be careful here, the existing 60 GB starter pack is on sale only while stocks last. After that "in the UK and Ireland, the Starter Pack will be replaced by a separate in-store promotion on the 60GB PS3" - this could be the Spiderman 3 Blu-Ray bundle.

    [link url=http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Co ntent/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=4434&NewsAreaID=2
    ]http://ww w.scee.presscentre.com/Content/...[/link]

  • bonker #102 4 years ago

    ""If the games were up to scratch Id happily pay £600, £700 whatever, the games are the key." "

    "That the stupidest thing I've read all day.
    So would you pay £700 for the 360 if thats whta MS were asking? "

    Hold on mate, he's got a perfectly valid point there.

    For some people (probably me included too), the fact that the 360 is the most attractive gaming platform out there right now is 99.9% of the decision-making process and unless it cost as much as my car, I'd just be going for it and ram the cost.

    Not everyone can think, or afford to behave, like that but that's the way it is for some people!

  • Weezer #103 4 years ago

    Still too much for me.

    Cost of PS3 = shitload of top quality 360 games.

  • threefortrouble #104 4 years ago

    no backwards compatibility
    no Dualshock 3
    not enough good games
    Still, not so good

    Just wait until MSG4 come out next year... they might include 'new' controllers by that time! Sony might even have another price drop!!!

  • kangarootoo #105 4 years ago

    @ulov3

    "Whoever buys the model with 2 USB and no BC is a fool."

    Seriously, put some context on that statement. BC is a discussion of its own, but truth is a load of people simply don't care. As for only 2 USB ports instead of 4... is that really important to more than 8 people on the entire planet?

  • rhinoxious #106 4 years ago

    I agree, if MGS4 was out today, got rave reviews, and was a Sony exclusive for the forseeable future. I'd pay £500 for a PS3 if that's what they cost.

    I wouldn't say money is no object, but it's certainly not the main issue. The main issue is buying yet another box for the living room, and how much actual time I'll spend using it.

  • lefizz #107 4 years ago

    Things is even with this huge price cut why is anyone going to buy it. Blu-ray?
    I mean look at the triple AAA games on 360 then look at Lair, War Hawk, and Heavenly Sword. I bought a PS3 in a moment of madness, do worry i have a 360 to actually game one, in the 6 month or what ever it is i have owned the ps3 i have only bought Motorstorm ,Locoroco and Super Stardust HD, and there is nothing on th ehorizon for PS3 i am interested in. Compared to the 360 lineup which is positively too full on i mean lets take racers, this year we have had, Forza 2, Dirt, Sega Rally, PGR 4 plus all the EA NFS type bollox. I mean my cup it overfloweth.

    Same with FPS , i mean we get a sure candidate for game of the year in Bioshock and then the very solid Airbourne a week or so later then Halo 3 a couple of weeks after that. This si crazy but brilliant, on PS3 there is nothing on the horizon i want.

    Apart from watchign the odd blu-ray movie, viewing photos and pissing about in linux is a fucking expensive paper weight.

    Own a PS3 i see absolutely no reason anyone would want one when the 360 has so much more in terms of game releases, and the quality is so high.

  • deaner #108 4 years ago

    For the price you could get a GEN1 US console with the EE chip, a couple of the new fancy DualShock 3's with travelling rumble, an HDMI cable (look it up, 360 folks) two-or-three new games and a few bits and bobs on top.

    A PS3 is only expensive if you don't know how to shop, or your mum wont let you use eBay.

    :o)

  • lefizz #109 4 years ago

    A PS3 is only expensive it terms of the fact its a games console with no games

  • deaner #110 4 years ago

    ...and it couldn't be more clear that lefizz is talkign out of his bumble!

    The 360 hasd a couple of decent FPS titles, and will be knobbed by the PlayStation game-wise within the next six months. Motorstorm, anyone?

    Online is better. But then I'll trade it off against 1080p and a Blu-Ray player.

  • TONYgr #111 4 years ago

    fook BC.i own 2 ps-2s!now its time to make my move!

  • flapps #112 4 years ago

    Finally the trolls are creeping out of the woodwork...
    A £299 PS3 with wifi, blu-ray, 40Gig HD and some great upcoming games can't be seen as ANYTHING but a good thing.

  • BastoJ #113 4 years ago

    I might go with the £425 one from blockbusters because of the two games, two movies, controller etc...

  • Retroid #114 4 years ago

    "Now with several hundred fewer games to play on it!"

  • andromeda #115 4 years ago

    @deaner

    if lefizz speaketh from the bumble , then you my friend should stick your head up there, listen and learn XD
    The PS3 cannot give us anything the 360 hasnt already got.

  • mash the x button #116 4 years ago

    Well done Sony for realising that ps2 owners like me won't fork out your outrageous asking price for the ps3. Reduce the price, have some nice exclusive games, preferably no fps please, that stuff is welcome to the 360, and you may have a buyer.
    I don't want all the fancy peripherals, I want to play good games on a solid console. I would also like b/c.
    Too much too ask?


  • lefizz #117 4 years ago

    Bumble??? you have a bumble? get it fucking seen to mate? Really put down the controller and go see a doctor/ physicatrist

  • andromeda #118 4 years ago

    i think he meant "rumble"
    and yes lefizz has got rumble. but i'm guessing you havent.

  • Tyedyed #119 4 years ago

    let me just elbow my way through the bleating xbots...

    good move for Xmas, 350 quid for the 60gb version yes please! hopefully ratchet and uncharted make it out before xmas as they are the 2 games I want to play on PS3.

  • lefizz #120 4 years ago

    "The 360 hasd a couple of decent FPS titles, and will be knobbed by the PlayStation game-wise within the next six months. Motorstorm, anyone? "

    Ok name the title that will win back this war for Sony, which titles will stop them getting outsold 4 - 1 by ninty and 2-1 by MS? Cos owning both consoles i cannot see it.
    The price cut is a great move, though the new SKU isnt, peopel literaly cant keep up with the versions Sony are spitting out.

    It all reeks of desperation
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 17:54

  • lefizz #121 4 years ago

    Ok next couple of week for 360 Mass Effect, PGR 4 and for Sony?

  • Retroid #122 4 years ago

    Oh fuck off with comments about Xbots for anyone who sees this as anything other than a silly mistake.

    Price cut = good (even though it's still £20 more than the 360 was at launch, it's still a saner price)

    Loss of BC = Bad Idea seeing as they've bleated about this feature for years and successive generations and revisions. They will be a LOT of people buying the 40gb version who put in a PS2 game and get a nasty shock, especially casual gamers and young 'uns.

    Unless, by some miracle, they've managed what the 360 has managed and have software-only BC coming in a future update.

  • PearOfAnguish #123 4 years ago

    This is hilarious, you can almost see the desperation coming off them like wavy cartoon stink-lines.

  • SAH1977 #124 4 years ago

    LOL, Sony must be doing something right if all people can complain about is lack of BC.................who cares!

    As for AAA games, well if you buy a PS3 in October there will be a great selection of games such as PES, Ratchet, Haze, GT5, with some real big hitters in early 2008.

  • SAH1977 #125 4 years ago

    LOL, Sony must be doing something right if all people can complain about is lack of BC.................who cares!

    As for AAA games, well if you buy a PS3 in October there will be a great selection of games such as PES, Ratchet, Haze, GT5, with some real big hitters in early 2008.

  • mkreku #126 4 years ago

    Ok, hmm.. Still no games, but that is one hell of a cheap Blu-Ray player.

  • J.C #127 4 years ago

    But the 360, has better graphics and more AAA games. why would anyone want sony's overated crap?

    (And I personally prefer resistance online to Halo3) Moz is teh fecking moron lol.

    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 18:06

  • tonynibbles #128 4 years ago

    £279 on ShopTo

  • jimmyjimbob #129 4 years ago

    wow, didn't see that one coming.... LOL @ Sony's marketing department

  • lefizz #130 4 years ago

    Thing is all u.k. PS3 used mostly software based emutiation anyway, they just had the GS chip since the huge internal bandwidth of this chip cannot be emulated, latencies are just too high even on a PS3 to do this stuff .

    To drop the BC this must have been dropped and that means no emulation full stop. Considering what that chip must cost to produce these days, £2 - £5 it does seem a bit cheap. However Sony unlike MS cannot take out the hardrive and and bluray player is obviously sacred. They have limited options for price cuting and I see why they did this even if I don't agree with it.

  • PearOfAnguish #131 4 years ago

    Sah, do you really believe that? You don't need to be a Xbox fan to see that the 360 has a far superior line up. Sony dribbling out the occasional okay game doesn't compare to the current situation on 360 where we're seeing several highly rated titles each month.
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 18:06

  • Tyedyed #132 4 years ago

    @retroid

    anyone who is seriously whinging about the 75 quid reduction in the price of the 60gig SKU can fuck off too :)

  • Goffee #133 4 years ago

    The difference between an 80 and 120 Gb drive is about £4.50, call it £2.25 for a 60 but I'm amazed they can find 40Gb drives these days - SO WHY BOTHER CUTTING THAT! How incredibly petty of Sony.

    Also they claim its media friendly, yet the typical media PC now has a 250GB drive, Sony do not know their media arse from their gaming elbow!

  • drumbaby #134 4 years ago

    Seriously...no excuses left...just buy the fucking thing.

  • neuroniky #135 4 years ago

    Too little, too late.

    And still no game that I'd like to have on that... but at least is an affordable Blu Ray player now...

  • kissthestick #136 4 years ago

    people complaining about the price cut can only be fanboys of other consoles or seriously hate sony.

    im really surprised they left in wifi though..
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 18:21

  • finty13 #137 4 years ago

    Yeah it is good for us but what is it doing to sony. They must be taking a big hit in terms of profit but I suppose in the long run it will be worth it.

  • Andy247 #138 4 years ago

    Erm, Deaner....

    Haven't you heard of the Elite? When it was released even Sony stopped shouting about 1080p because it wasn't exclusive anymore. Furthermore, a 360 owner wouldn't need to look up "HDMI cable" becomes it comes in the box, unlike a PS3.

    Shopping around will get you the top priced PS3 sub £300, lower if you don't mind pre-owned, but until mid 2008 or later, there's still no console shifting game to play on it.

    The only thing that the PS3 currently has in its favour is the Blu-Ray drive, but even that migth be a dead duck since triple layer HD-DVD's now have higher capacity than a dual layer Blu-Ray disc. Blu-Ray is based on technology discovered in the late 70's/early 80's and cannot currently operate at frequencies required to do more than dual layer. There are also a few other things in HD-DVD's favour like acceptance by the "Adult" film industry (that's what won it for VHS) and the fact that you can now buy a counterfeit chinese standalone HD-DVD player for around £50-£100 because they're easier to reproduce and can therefore find their way into mass production easier than a Blu-Ray drive.

    Of course, the HD Movie war might turn into a non-event anyway as consumer uptake is so low at the moment.

    Anyway, back to the point of a games console, if you want one now, buy an Xbox 360 Elite, if you're prepared to wait on what will eventually turn out to be a fairly decent, probably comparable, gaming platform once it has some exclusive titles of a high quality, hold off for 12 months for a PS3.

  • muftak #139 4 years ago

    @lefizz

    why dont you mention 3 more games that you can get on the ps3 as well as the 360 and btw Dirt is a better on the ps3 than the 360.


    really makes me laugh you get its "too expensive" so here comes a good price cut and you still ant happy

    this gen very childish

  • NewYork #140 4 years ago

    I love that £300 is an entry point price to Sony.

  • sharpfish #141 4 years ago

    BC? why would I want to hook up a PS3 to a HDTV then play a game with graphics that look poor even for last gen?

    If I ever did feel the pull to buy/play a PS3 it would be for new EXCLUSIVE games not old shit that I didn't even want at the time of the ps2.

    Actually a good move on Sony's part because if they drop it just a bit more, add the rumble controllers in and release some good games then it will be very tempting...

    at the moment the 360 still has it beat on games, where it counts.

  • McLovin85 #142 4 years ago

    people keep talking about there being a better future line up on the 360 than the PS3 but let's be honest it all comes down to the exclusives.
    we're all waiting for GTA4, Assassin's Creed, PES2008, ResEvil5 etc and both consoles will have them so we can discount them from the 'console war'
    i personally bought a PS3 because of the exclusive games that will be coming out in the next month or two like R&C, Uncharted (looks beautiful btw), GT5 multiplayer, Haze and then stretching into early 2008 KZ2, LBP, GT5 (hopefully), Infamous (which i'm hoping will be a bit better than Crackdown which i really liked), MGS4, FF.
    the 360 exclusives consist of Mass Effect, Scene It, Too Human, Fable 2.
    all the 360's greatest games are FPS's and it's getting kind of boring so i think variety will ultimately see more people picking up a PS3, that plus an excellent blu-ray player.
    and the fact that the 360 core is still around means dev's still have to deal with programming 360 games as if they have no hard-drive = lame.

    P.S. PS3 price cut = great! so more people to torment on Home (if/when it comes out :p)

  • onyxbox #143 4 years ago

    all this bitching is getting tired now. Sony have finally dropped the price and I'm sure they'll fly of the shelves this Christmas this can only be a good thing for the industry. People who have already made their choice... just be f'ing happy and get on with playing the games.

    Fact: XBox won't die because of this
    Fact: PS3 won't die either

    if anything the Wii poses a bigger threat to both 360 and PS3 hardcore.

  • captainrentboy #144 4 years ago

    ''Seriously...no excuses left...just buy the fucking thing. ''
    Comments like this are a bit silly aint they?
    The main question, coming from a more than happy 360 owner, is why?
    Other than Blu-Ray, which I can still leave for a good six months yet, why would I want a PS3? For people who have yet to get into this new generation, this price point is quite attractive, for people who already have a 360, the wait for the PS3 to get more than two must have titles still continues.
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 18:39

  • LeD #145 4 years ago

    The Empire Strikes Back

    In direct response to Sony's price cutting, MS are about to add value to their own console bundles.

    Xbox 360 Arcade Pack
    Core System, wireless pad, 256 MB memory card, 5 Xbox Live Arcade games, a demo DVD, extra content and a 1 year Xbox Live membership, for 279€.

    Xbox 360 Premium Value Pack
    Premium System with wireless pad, Forza Motorsport 2 and Viva Piñata for 349€.

    Special Call Of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare Pack
    Xbox 360 Premium, wireless pad, the CoD game as well as the games bundled in the Value Pack for 385€.

    These bundles will all start beginning of November and all consoles feature HDMI ports.

    Source: http://ww w.jeuxvideo.fr/baisse-prix-xbox...
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 18:42

  • daku #146 4 years ago

    It's got what we want.
    It's got electrolytes!

  • Ihya #147 4 years ago

    Wow I hope play.com do a good deal like they do on the present bundles. That really is slashing the price of the 60 gig to a price I cannot refuse...

  • McLovin85 #148 4 years ago

    @Andy274

    the elite cannot output GAMES in true 1080p, movies yes but not games. at best it will upscale everything to look like 1080p but that takes power which the PS3 won't need to give up therefore letting it focus more on in game gpx/physics etc. DVD games can't store enough to have HD gaming which is why everything is upscaled.
    also, whether HD-DVD is capable of 'triple layer' is irrelevant as 360's still use DVDs for games which is what the 360 is mainly bought for and has been marketed as such.
    i have also read that TDK have created a mutli-layered blu-ray disk that can hold 200gb but they are having trouble creating a player to read it so yes it won't be able to be played on the PS3. i would assume the same thing would go for the triple HD-DVD, it's all well and good making it but a new type of player will probably need to be made to read that type of disk therefore pissing off existing HD-DVD owners.
    the porn industry has stated a while ago (6+ months) that there was a mix up and favors neither but not sure what their opinions are right now.

  • mrpsb #149 4 years ago

    There's nothing on it I want to play currently. Also I know the Dualshock 3s are out next year and will probably be part of an updated bundle then, for a similar price (rather than paying for them when they come out). The one thing I'd probably have been looking to buy it for was Final Fantasy XIII, but having played FF XII I don't think I'll even be bothered about that.

    This is what's keeping me from buying one, and dropping features to drop the price isn't making me any more likely to pick one up anytime soon. But hey, that's just why *I myself* can't see myself buying one until atleast this time next year, if ever. If you want one now, this can only be good news!

    I now have splinters in my anus.

  • Monkey-Wizard-Ken #150 4 years ago

    Finally Sony sees some sense.
    This price cut is a necessity, without it they would have got slaughtered this Christmas.
    That said, it’s still a little pricy and the games are thin on the ground.
    But it’s defiantly a step in the right direction.

  • drumm23 #151 4 years ago

    They were really in a spot. Blu-ray has taken some recent bruising from the HD-DVD camp having previously looked like a hot-favourite. Sony value the success of Blu-Ray more importantly than that of the PS3. They needed to act - everybody can see that - but I think waiting a month more after the phenomenal Halo 3 launch.
    Time will tell though.

  • NotSoSlim #152 4 years ago

    People always moan. Shops will do bundles for bothe machines so why complain?

    They sone the cut that people were moaning for. Thanks Sony just a shame GAT aint out would of sold alot more

  • drumm23 #153 4 years ago

    McLovin85 - what like Virtua Tennis on the 360 **at 1080p** ... that's just my imagination is it? I hate the ignorant, misinformed posts. If you don't know what you're talking about. Shudthahellup.

  • captain-future #154 4 years ago

    I've read in the official press release (in German so I can't post it for reference) that they phase out the 60GB model... as long as supply lasts!

    So, that means after a few months (or more depending on who really wants a PS3 *LOL*) there's only the 40GB left.

  • tonynibbles #155 4 years ago

    @andy 247

    The only thing that the PS3 currently has in its favour is the Blu-Ray drive, but even that migth be a dead duck since triple layer HD-DVD's now have higher capacity than a dual layer Blu-Ray disc. Blu-Ray is based on technology discovered in the late 70's/early 80's and cannot currently operate at frequencies required to do more than dual layer. There are also a few other things in HD-DVD's favour like acceptance by the "Adult" film industry (that's what won it for VHS) and the fact that you can now buy a counterfeit chinese standalone HD-DVD player for around £50-£100 because they're easier to reproduce and can therefore find their way into mass production easier than a Blu-Ray drive.

    Sorry but you're talking utter cock-arse.

    HD-DVD's have higher capacity? It's simple numbers. Blu Ray: 25 Gb. HD DVD 17gb. No amount of dual layer nonsense is going to change that. If HD-DVD goes dual layer, so does Blu Ray. If HD-DVD goes tripple layer, so does Blu Ray. IT WONT EVER CHANGE.
    Just last week, Hitachi announced their first quad layer prototype that will run on any regular Blu Ray player, requiring just a simple firmware update to run. That's 100Gb. And if prototypes don't satisfy, Sony alone will shortly have produced their 10 millionth 50gb Blu Ray disc. HD DVD's are still shouting about their triple layer 52Gb discs?!
    The adult argument is flawed anyway. Home video is not suddenly available for the first time, and porn is available from so many sources than it was back in the 70s/80s. Besides the fact that porn is already on Blu Ray from various studios - it's simply not a determining factor in this format wank off.
    Blu Ray sales are on top of DVD pretty much everywhere. In the UK we're a great example - 4 to 1 sales ratio of Blu Ray to HD DVD.

    Besides - ffs, Show me a £50 HD DVD player.

    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 19:21

  • zooms #156 4 years ago

    £299 eh? If Sony throw in an apology for all the hyperbolic horseshit they promised at E3 2005 I might consider buying one.

  • drumm23 #157 4 years ago

    tonynibbles -
    NEVER underestimate Sony's ability to destroy a new media format:
    Betamax.
    Minidisc.
    UMD.
    Blu-Ray..... [link url=http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/10/05/blu-ray_control s/
    ]http://ww w.reghardware.co.uk/2007/10/05/...[/link]


    The determination of the winner will be China - and which machine they decide to build for cheap-as-chips.

  • Knot #158 4 years ago

    Pretty good move, Sony.

    The remaining whiners are... well, just BackwardsWhiners they are...

    For me personally, even though it's a multiplatform game - Assassin's Creed release might be a good time to buy a PS3.

  • Arcadiian #159 4 years ago

    After Sony's arrogance, i'm still reluctant to buy the thing. That and there not being enough games just yet. But still, this is very good news. Hopefully around the time Home is released, the 60GB version will drop to £299, and that'll be the time i buy one.

  • slickster #160 4 years ago

    why do people keep saying theres no games for the ps3,there is games i've got 30 and more in the next couple of mouths like HAZE R&C GT5P .and for blu-ray that is fucking cheap
    Edited by 2 at 05/10/07 @ 20:24

  • Arcadiian #161 4 years ago

    I personally don't like the games being released on the PS3 right now. Excuse me if that offends you. o_O

  • Scimarad #162 4 years ago

    Am I the only sick of reading "but there aren't any games I'm interested in!" - There are plenty of decent games but if you aren't interested in them then don't buy the sodding thing!! Why they hell do you feel the need to keep sharing this with us?? If we wanted to buy a 360 we already would have and indeed probably already have!

    THERE ARE PLENTY OFF SODDING DECENT GAMES HERE AND ON THE WAY YOU MORONS! STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR CHOICE OF CONSOLE!!

    Do you honestly believe that those people who are happy with both machines are really just trying to justify their purchase? I really pity you if you do...

    Also, how many people bemoaning the lack of BC in the new model are the same people who claim it isn't important everytime some calls into question the 360s performance in that particular area?

  • anonim1979 #163 4 years ago

    "...the PS3 will feature backwards compatibility with PS and PS2 games from day one. I'm emphasizing this because, from what I hear, there are some platforms that haven't been able to completely do this. It's costly in terms of hardware, but we'd rather invest firmly on compatibility from the beginning, rather than to have issues later on."
    --- "Krazy" Ken Kutaragi ----

  • Arcadiian #164 4 years ago

    @ Scimarad.

    Why are you offended by people saying the games don't suit them yet ? And may I remind you this is a thread for people to comment on the above story. A story concerning a price drop for the PS3. Is it that unexpected that people will comment on whether this will make them buy one or not ? Surely that's the purpose of a thread in the first place ? Or are we only allowed to comment if we agree with you ?

    And please don't tell me not to justify my choice of consoles. They cost a lot of money, and need to be justified.

  • Scimarad #165 4 years ago

    Because most of the time it sounds very hard to believe - As someone who owns both consoles I find it kind of odd that the no PS3 games appeal to 360 owners...

  • theindustrialone #166 4 years ago

    "NEVER underestimate Sony's ability to destroy a new media format:
    Betamax.
    Minidisc.
    UMD.
    Blu-Ray....."

    And CDs. Let's not forget CDs.



    Sub £300 = good.
    No BC = bad. I want to play Frequency & Amplitude and my PS2 refuses to read the discs.

  • niteninja #167 4 years ago

    Its great news for people,you can now get a ps3 at a fair price,and there will be great games out by christmas.
    Most importantly you now have an affordable next gen console which doesnt break down every five minutes.

  • mattigan #168 4 years ago

    Sorry, but Sony are a fucking joke.

    "The introduction of the new PS3 has been the result of extensive research into the entertainment needs and preferences of the next-generation PS3 owners."

    Yeah, 100% of them when asked "what don't you like abour PS3" were quoted as saying "it's too fucking dear*"

    Well done Sony you finally worked it out, but even the new "value pack" is STILL too fucking dear*.




    * dear = expensive in London lingo
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 20:41

  • niteninja #169 4 years ago

    ^ this post above smells like fear from a xbox fanboy.

  • SteveB #170 4 years ago

    Me yesterday morning in the Italy 40g news item:

    "It also has a smaller hard drive and less USB ports which still doesn't probably add up to £150. Could mean a price cut for 60g model ?"

    I CAN SEE THE FUTURE !

    And this weeks lottery numbers are.....

  • anonim1979 #171 4 years ago

    WHY ?!

    [link url=http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/scee-ps3-60gb -nixed-for-uk-too-307651.php
    ]http://ko taku.com/gaming/ps3/scee-ps3-60...[/link]

    From Nick Sharples, Sony's Director of Corporate Communications in Europe:

    "The 60GB Starter pack will remain on sale until stocks run out (a number of months, depending on territory.) Thereafter, the 40GB model will be the only SKU in the SCEE region."

  • tonynibbles #172 4 years ago

    @drumm23 NEVER underestimate Sony's ability to destroy a new media format:

    Sony always get the hard end of the stick in this area. Betamax was technically superior to VHS, but cheapo-charlie won out. Fari enough.
    MiniDisc - still used in the music industry believe it or not, still use MiniDisc. Not a commerical success, but widely used in the music industry.
    UMD - Come on... that doesn't count. It's a one-device format! Worked in that it made it near to impossible to duplicate dodgy copies.

    Let's not mention CD or DVD, right?

  • Royal Fool #173 4 years ago

    This 40GB / 60GB thing from Sony now is as stupid as when Microsoft split the 360 up into the Premium / Core models.

  • tonynibbles #174 4 years ago

    "The 60GB Starter pack will remain on sale until stocks run out (a number of months, depending on territory.) Thereafter, the 40GB model will be the only SKU in the SCEE region."

    The press release also says the starter pack will be replaced with another promotion.

    Most likely, 60Gb with SpiderMan 3 trilogy Blu Ray.

  • VMerken #175 4 years ago

    Blehh, I'm too lazy/considerate to reiterate my posts in all the other "Sony's new SKU" threads.

    Sony woke us up in october - as promised, weirdly enough.

    Yeah, loss of BC (and to Sony, a bit of a loss of face as now they've completely given up on what was supposed to be a "key feature";) and some bells and whistles which one might perceive as more important as the other. But also a loss of €200 per unit - which puts the whole deftly into perspective.

    I would never pay €599 for a PS3 with botched hardware BC. But, €399 for a PS3 without hardware BC? That's something consider-worthy.

    Still, no sale for me until MGS4 comes out (and, incidentally, the DS3).
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 21:04

  • zozart #176 4 years ago

    Great. So for less than an Elite you get a Blu-ray player and built-in WiFi.

    Not only will this make buying a PS3 for FF13/MGS4 much nicer, it might also push MS to cut their own prices, thus boosting the number of gamers all round. Great news!

  • cawley1 #177 4 years ago

    I got a US machine a couple of weeks ago, smuggled in for £270 all in.
    The main reason I got the US machine (outside of price) was to play my NTSC PS2 catalogue as I imported the lot and my US PS2 has gone tits.
    I have played Rez ONCE in that time! Been too busy playing Resistance, Ridge Racer, Ninja Gaiden and spending lots of time with Playstation Store downloads!
    BC is a great idea and I am happy I have it because as I said my PS2 no longer works, but other than that, who really cares? How often did you play PSone games on PS2, GBA on DS etc?
    With Unchartered and Haze on the horizon, I certainly don't feel unhappy with my decision and I bought it with the future in mind as when people really get to grips with it, I think it will improve over 360.
    Edited by 1 at 05/10/07 @ 21:31

  • yagisencho #178 4 years ago

    Sony:
    Less functionality for slightly less money! It's a lose-sorta-win proposition! Why haven't you all bought one yet?

    Call me back in two years when you have the refactored hardware selling for half the price of this one.

  • WickedDeeJ #179 4 years ago

    I wonder if this model will follow for the rest of Europe.

  • Monkey-Wizard-Ken #180 4 years ago

    Mr Sony has left things a little too late in the US but I think they still have fair chance in Europe.
    Us Europeans are particularly gullible and like our shiny status symbols, even if they are a bit rubbish.

  • DrKuK #181 4 years ago

    If this price cut gets more ps3's off the shelf all gamers should be happy. Seriously do you really want there to be just one major console on the market? healthy competition keeps software and hardware prices down and encourages innovation from developers. I've got all three next gen consoles and i hope they all do well as it means more choice.

    As fro BC, well it is a problem at this stage as there really isnt much ps3 software out yet but after xmas it'll be less of an issue. In any case ps2 slim is small enough to be nicely hidden away (unlike the old xbox which was huge).

    One thing i'd like to know is if theres no ps2 BC is there still gonna be ps1 BC as there still selling ps1 games on PSN?

  • thesnowman #182 4 years ago

    Last generation I owned all three consoles, however times have changed, I am now married and have a 2 year old son. My time is now limited and I bought a 360 just after the price drop, got gears of war, bioshock and now playing Halo 3, I also have Mass Effect clearly in my sights. That is not to mention that I really still want to play oblivion at some point.

    I now live in the USA (married an american) so I get HD content on demand on cable and the xbox marketplace has loads of HD content on it so Blue Ray while nice isnt quite as essential. I was really tempted by Lair at some point, but after reading the reviews it isn't enough to tempt me into getting a ps3. The only game this side of Xmas that I think looks interesting is Uncharted, but there are so many for the xbox I would get before it. I must admit I really would love to get MGS4 so maybe some time next year.

    Over here the perception is that Sony have really fucked it up, people who have had ps1 and ps2 are now getting a 360 or wii. My wife fancies a wii (her fav game is animal crossing).

    I just remember getting a ps2 at the UK launch and being bitterly disappointed by timesplitters and SSX (which was great), but there was nothing for months. I also felt at the time sony lied to us, all this bullcrap about the emotion engine when everything looked like tarted up ps1 games, when we were promised the photo realism (remember the first getaway screenshots). It just seems that they have done the same thing again, this time I am happy that I didnt get suckered into the hype. The difference is this time is that MS have grabbed the hardcore market and the wii has got the casual market and both have got there shit together.

    I am still sure the ps3 will do well and should sell a lot more next year with GT5, MGS4 and final fantasy coming out, but I wonder if most gamers have finally had enough of the BS.

  • frombrosis #183 4 years ago

    Pfft so what about BC, just buy a PS2 Slim and play your old games perfectly... get over it ppls.

  • mattigan #184 4 years ago

    "^ this post above smells like fear from a xbox fanboy. "

    Hmm yeah I'm shitting it now.

    I can't be arse reposting stuff I've already posted in the "Sony Exec explains the price drop" news thread, but read it if you are remotely interestred in my and I think one side of the thinking mans gamer's opinion on Sony's current plight.

  • SAH1977 #185 4 years ago

    No wonder gaming isn't considered a serious medium/art if internet forums and nerdish games reviewers/experts are what the average consumer faces when researching the subject.

    200+ posts and you can count on one hand the number of inteligent, informed posts!

  • Duke_Red #186 4 years ago

    Great move, now wheres that rumble!!!

  • Xerx3s #187 4 years ago

    Also, if backward compatibility was being done in software anyway, why take it out?

    That's what I was wondering as well. Not that it matters for me because BC isn't as big as some people may want you to believe.

  • Kryon #188 4 years ago

    BC is important to me, yes, I would rarely use it but there are a few classics I know I'll wish to revisit and no I don't want to keep two ugly black boxes under my telly if at all possible! I already have 5 consoles hooked up and don't fancy another....So I'll continue playing the waiting game until the 'fully functional' system is cheaper (or a decent game or two arrive).

  • dsmx #189 4 years ago

    Sorry but I'm still not going to get one call me again when the price is below 300, rumble is in the controllers and there is backward compatibility with my ps2 collection.

  • TriggerHippie #190 4 years ago

    This is great news for people who really want a PS3. Unfortunately compared to the 360's line up this winter the PS3 doesn't look all that impressive to me, even at the lower price. Still, theres plenty out next year for it and when the games start coming I'll grab myself one. Wonder what the price will be then? :)

  • bonker #191 4 years ago

    "Also, if backward compatibility was being done in software anyway, why take it out?

    That's what I was wondering as well. Not that it matters for me because BC isn't as big as some people may want you to believe. "

    It's gone to help differentiate the SKUs from each other - it has absolutely f*ck-all to do with cost reductions passed onto consumers etc, i.e. the usual retail line of BS. They've stripped everything that they think can go without seriously damaging the attractiveness of the SKU to the market. They have to be able to justify the cost to you of the higher value model hence there needs to be a pretty decent spec difference between the two SKUs even if it's just a fairly long list of stuff that's pretty trivial, at least it sounds like a lot!

    These changes aren't just about Sony selling consoles guys, it's also about the top execs not getting their arses kicked by shareholders (again). BS "like this-removed-that-removed hence it's much cheaper for us so cheaper for you" isn't just for your consumption, it's also to try and keep credibility with the people with the real power behind Sony ...

    Think about it - removing a couple of USB ports can't possibly cut the costs of production by more than a quid or two yet this is a huge price reduction. 'Removing' the bc is likely down to flipping a bit in the firmware - i.e. no cost reduction at all.

    Likewise the 40gb HD. Yes, they don't make 40gb HDs any more, most platters are at least 120GB (maybe 80gb on 2.5" HDs) these days, they're just 'crippled' by the HD manufacturers to allow them to sell more at the lower level - i.e. just what Sony are doing with the PS3 ... I seriously doubt whether the 60gb/80gb drives are any different internally to the 40gb drives and Sony are probably paying the same for all of them ...

    If this had anything to do with cost-cutting then you can bet that the wi-fi would be history. That probably only costs them £10 (relatively expensive) but I tell you this now; if the PS3 is in anything like the shape it's in now in Spring 2008 then you can expect the built-in wi-fi to be going too and another £50 lopped of that SKU ...

  • konniehuqfan #192 4 years ago

    The £350 bundle is a good deal. Same price I paid for my PS2 with 2 games.

  • mossychops001 #193 4 years ago

    The Commodore Amiga was £499 when it came out, that would equate to over £600 now. So stop the moaning about the PS3 price.

    http://ww w.mrbads-retro-games.com/Commod...

  • bonker #194 4 years ago

    Well as plenty of others have alluded to, the price was the PS3's major issue 6-12 months ago, the honeymoon period is over now so let's see some high quality games already ...
    Edited by 1 at 06/10/07 @ 00:41

  • Hypnopedia #195 4 years ago

    Price is irrelevant (to me) - PS3 is TOO late with NO games of any worth at the moment - I bought a 360 just after launch after owning both a PS1 and PS2 and there is just "Little Big Planet" that would make me jealous at not owning this Blu-Ray Player / "Games" console.

    What makes me laugh is although the 360 had a 1 year head start at retail weren't developers working on games for BOTH the PS3 and 360 way back in mid 2005, with all the fanfare and cock waving at E3? The PS3 delay was only down to hardware reasons wasn't it - the Blue-diodes for the Blu-Ray lasers? That doesn't stop the devs working on games does it? So where are the bloody games, and surely developers have had equal time to get to grips with the respective architectures?

    The damage has been done for me - I now have a really healthy 360 games collection and apart from that damn LBP (God that looks good) I'm not swayed by the exclusives of MGS (I'll watch a Movie if I want to sit in front of my TV at endless FMV thanks very much - boring overated pile of pish) or GT5 (looks lovely, but no damage is SOOOO last-gen dahling) and everything else I'm interested in is coming out for the 360 anyhooos.

    But you know, the PS3 will win don't you? ...so I'll just shut up in my cider induced stuper.....hic. What do I know.

    :)

  • Apologie #196 4 years ago

    Hypnopedia

    Ps3 will have great games, that's for sure.

    "GT5 (looks lovely, but no damage is SOOOO last-gen dahling)"

    So you'r saying that Halo3, the so called best game ever (a game that don't even do 720p) is last gen??

  • Hypnopedia #197 4 years ago

    Apologie

    No, I said GT5 not having damage in a car driving game, is last-gen. If I drive a car into another it dents. I want to see bit's realistically fly off my car in a "Next-Gen" racer thanks very much. IMO. And I don't care if they're in 640p, believable physics are more important to me than how many pixels a machine can dish out.
    And I can't comment on Halo 3 as I don't own it, nor do I have any desire to buy it in the near future. I'm still trying to finish Bioshock at the mo.

  • dsmx #198 4 years ago

    GT5 does have damage, GT5 prologue doesn't.

  • AOFanboi #199 4 years ago

    Plenty of reasons for BC:

    1) The sheer volume of games available
    2) Not needing another box under the telly
    3) PS2 games look way better coming out of a PS3 than from a PS2. Case in point: GoW II which some reviews complained that it looked crap on PS2 but beautiful on PS3 - as if the game had been written specially for the BC functionality?)
    4) Lack of BC to the Saturn was a contributor to the demise of the Dreamcast
    5) Did I mention the sheer volume of games? Including some stand-out titles they won't be porting to the PS3 any day soon?

    The reasons to drop it:
    1) Sony are desperate to sell the remaining copies og "Genji II".
    2) They could make it a smaller form-factor by dropping the space taken by the PS2 circuitry; also the space occupied by the removed slots (USB and cards) contributes to that. Also, a different look would reduce the nuber of people who mistakenly thought they got the complete system... :)

  • Hypnopedia #200 4 years ago

    >dsmx

    Thanks for shooting me down! You learn something new everyday...

    I didn't know that, I'll be interested to see how it turns out - when's it out?

  • bloodflowers #201 4 years ago

    Article is missing an important piece of information. The better model with software assisted emulation still in place, is actually only available in the UK until stocks run out, and then they only one you can get is the gimped version.

  • Apologie #202 4 years ago

    next month... the release of Uncharted: Drake's Fortune will mark the beginning of the Ps3 turnaround ;)
    X360 is a terrible console (hardware related), with some good games... (Gears of War, Forza, Bioshok)
    Ps3 in short time gave us Heavenly Sword, Motorstrom and Resistance: FOM... by the way, after HALO 3 i don't see any great exclusive coming soon so..., i'm just glad to have Ps3 concerning the great line up of games coming (Metal Gear, Ratchet, Uncharted, Killzone2, GT5 etc...)

  • drumm23 #203 4 years ago

    Apologie, mate, listen, there are way more important things in life than loyalty to a bleeding *games console*, seriously, you could buy a 360 tomorrow and nobody would give a shit, not Microsoft, not Sony: N O B O D Y.
    Lots of people have bought both - they continue to walk the earth, no plague cast upon them. The consoles are very similar in power, there are some games exclusive to one, some to the other, at the moment that balance undoubtedly is in favour of the 360, but that may change. Nobody, but nobody, is expecting a domination of the market like the PS2 had, not even Sony. Consumers change. They gave the PS2 a shot, they bought a couple of games, they moved on to other things, like cocaine. A more balanced market is good for us, the genuine gamers, a more competitive marketplace should breed better games. But the personal loyalty is idiotic and misplaced. Even if Killzone (or whatever) is a hundred times better than Halo 3, you, yes you, are going to go to bed, have a wank, get up, have a coffee, do your work or study - whatever stage you're at in your life and - and try to move on to the next stage as well as you can. There will be a Playstation 4 and more after that, The Cell was a disappointment, big deal, the next chip might be a revelation, we'll see, either way, you have nothing to gain by blindly following a brand, the only thing that's guaranteed is that IT MEANS FUCKING NOTHING.

    Oh, and Halo 3: 10/10 and game. of. tha. yeAr. BITCHES.
    :)

  • DjFlex52 #204 4 years ago

    X360 is a terrible console (hardware related), with some good games... (Gears of War, Forza, Bioshok)
    Ps3 in short time gave us Heavenly Sword, Motorstrom and Resistance: FOM... by the way, after HALO 3 i don't see any great exclusive coming soon so..., i'm just glad to have Ps3 concerning the great line up of games coming (Metal Gear, Ratchet, Uncharted, Killzone2, GT5 etc...)

    @Apologie

    If X360 is just "a terrible console....with some good games" then you're a brainwashed hardcore Sony fanboy to the max.

    The PS3 in short time (10 months is a short time?) gave you 3 good games while the first 10 months of X360 gave me Condemned, Kameo, PGR3, COD2, Dead or Alive 4, FN3, GRAW, Burnout Revenge, Oblivion and Dead Rising....pwned!

    Upcoming games are Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden 2, Cry On, Left 4 Dead, Halo Wars, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Marvel Universe Online, GOW2 etc. Xbox360's lineup is comparable to anything Sony can put out.

  • costa_k #205 4 years ago

    Can't be arsed to pay £300 to play 2 year old 360 games.

  • Drakron #206 4 years ago

    Funny this is how apologists throw the PS3 unreleased flavor of the month as "turning point" ... does not help said flavor of the month happens to come from the meager list of titles.

    Serious, why is "Uncharted" going to be a system seller? sure Jak and Daxter sold but really ... so did # Gran Turismo, the problem with the PS3 is the AAA titles are all in 2008 or even after 2008, this changes nothing ... especially when a lot of people are waiting for DualShock3 (ever wonder the reason the 60 GB model got a cut? warehouse cleaning for the future PS3 that include the new DualShock 3 controllers), this price cut is good news but I realize the reason is to clear space and salvage the holiday season.

  • old_skool #207 4 years ago

    I lament the loss but it makes business sense. It costs too much to make and to sell, even £10 adds up if you make a few million

  • old_man #208 4 years ago

    Interesting to see if it boosts sales, though as a PS3 and 360 owner I feel a bit sorry for anyone that chooses the PS3 over a 360.

  • drumbaby #209 4 years ago

    "Sorry but I'm still not going to get one call me again when the price is below 300, rumble is in the controllers and there is backward compatibility with my ps2 collection. "

    Call you again? No one called you the first time. You're the one gagging for a PS3 and looking up the news.

  • kaosridder #210 4 years ago

    all good and well. Except that the only good games on the ps3 at moment are resistance and motorstorm and pretty much all ports inferior. But hey, you get a blu-ray player.

  • Ghettomurph #211 4 years ago

    All this will do is attract the people who see the words 'Playstation 3' and '300 quid'.

    There's still nothing worth playing on the machine this year apart from Motorstorm and Resistance both of which were released bloody months ago.

    If Sony want to recoup from the disaster that is this generation of hardware then they need some decent exclusives. Simple.

  • MrsPacMan #212 4 years ago

    Hurrah, now all they need are some decent games. I'll stick with my 360 for now

  • Turambar #213 4 years ago

    Well the munted model will probably initiate panic buying of the proper model. Expect full software BC when sony discover nobody wants the munted model. Does the munted model still support installation of linux? If so theres probably a decent software only PS1 and PS2 emulator available.

  • AOFanboi #214 4 years ago

    @Ghettomurph:

    Are you trying to say that cross-platform titles like The Darkness and Skate are "nothing worth playing"? Why this focus on exclusives? Not everyone buys all the consoles, you know.

    However, there is way more "worth playing" on a PS3 with BC to PS2...

  • SIDEARM #215 4 years ago

    My PS3 is a dust collectorr - I honestly regret buying early. I would not bother buying again however cheap it was with the current line up it simply isnt worth it. Hopefully 2008 will begin to look rosier or I may really have to look in to selling the thing.

  • Moz #216 4 years ago

    "Burn in hell Sony, this is what happens when you shaft and lie to the public.
    They have lost the battle for market share already, everyone has a 360 that I know enjoying the wealth of AAA titles available."

    So far there have 25 million next gen systems sold, there was a user base last gen of 120+ million. Add to that the new gamers the Wii has created and that would suggest that there are a good 100 million users yet to cast their vote. Once the current gen has a 60 million install base then you can start saying who has won.

    Your friends are not representative of the population as they are likely have similar views to you.

    Discussing Pro and Cons of systems is one thing, but what is the point in fanboy system bashing. Especially as the base scenerio for the consumer is an even split between the systems.

    EDIT:/ Just noticed that game are cheacky gits, they are advertising the pre-order for the 40GB system, but not mentioning the price cut for the 60GB
    Edited by 1 at 06/10/07 @ 11:23

  • ParanoidZombie #217 4 years ago

    Sorry, but since Ninja Gaiden 2 is a x360 exclusive, and VF5 x360 has online, I don't give a fuck about whatever sony is doing (unless ninja gaiden 3 is a ps3 exclusive, of course, but that won't happen). If you think the x360 is only about FPS and racing games, you are an idiot.

  • penguin_overlord #218 4 years ago

    It's really strange to still read so many anti-Sony comments on here. Personally, I think this month signals the real start of the PS3's fortunes. Both PS3 SKU's represent far greater value than the 360. Fine, I hear what people are saying about the 360 having a bigger catalogue of games but a lot of that doesn't matter to the average consumer.

    The biggest selling games this Xmas (in Europe at least) are likely to be FIFA, PES and Need for Speed. They're the franchises that people recognise. Until now, MS would have been guaranteed a dominant share of harware sales if people were interested in those games as a £250 Premium is far more tempting than a £425 PS3, no matter how many things are given free with the latter. But a mere £50 difference between the PS3 and 360 is too close to call and, just as many a parent would have bought their children 360's before for £299, so too will they do it for the PS3, especially as PlayStation is a far more recognised and respected brand. And don't discount the importance of built-in Wi-Fi. A lot of people (myself included) run their PS3 in homes with multiple wi-fi devices and having it built-in is very important.

    If this price drops applies world-wide, you will definitely see the PS3 sell more this Xmas than the 360. And going into next year, MGS will provide another boost and the downloable content for GTA4 will be meaningless if you can run the same game on the PS3 for essentially the same price.

    This is the beginning of the end for the 360!

  • Vice.Destroyer #219 4 years ago

    Ploughing through 245 comments on a lazy saturday afternoon is not a good thing. Just waiting for the Man U game, so I can head off to the pub. But I'd just like to point out, after all the arguments over the loss of BC, is the new price for the 40gb PS3 not a bargain? In anyone's world?

    I mean, if I didn't love my 360 so much and all the sites that supplement it (360voice, the live eye, mygamercard.net and the intelligent posters that frequent their respective forums, etc), I would be considering it. And it is less to do with wanting to exercise brand loyalty, but with having a console that plays the games that I want and also provides a service that I enjoy using.

    And that is the point that most posters in this thread seem to miss. Having a console shouldn't be an exercise in shooting down fellow players for choosing a console which YOU don't agree with. Seriously. Buy your console. Play it and I hope you enjoy your purchase. I'm happy with my console, even though I had to send mine off to get replaced. The arguments about screen resolution cut no ice with me, because I must be the only ignoramus in the world that can't tell the difference between 720p or 1080i. Give me PGR4, Stranglehold and a few other games and I am happy. I'll carry on reading these posts and just become more and more bemused that my hobby that I enjoy in my spare time is shared by such offensive and ill-informed zealots.

    Ever wonder why gaming is still seen as the idiots pastime? Read more forum posts on this site.

  • Kenshin001 #220 4 years ago

    Sony should just release more PS1 and PS2 games on the PSN store. Problem solved. I have a PS3 and TBH I'm not that keen on playing old games, though I have a Japanese 60GB so it doesn't bother me. In the couple of months I've had it I've played through Resistance and Motorstorm (both off/online), Ninja Gaiden Sigma and am now playing Warhawk online everynight (awesome game BTW). I recommend these games to anyone buying now to keep them going until R&C, Uncharted, Haze, Wipeout and the multiplats come out next month. I'm more interested in the future than the past as are probably the vast majority of potential PS3 buyers.

  • Moz #221 4 years ago

    @ Vice.Destroyer, glad to see there are at least a few people out there with comman sence.

  • jetsetdemo #222 4 years ago

    I have both a 360 and a PS3, both from launch day, I am so disappointed in the line up of titles for the PS3 it's untrue; I have both Resistance (a great game) and Motorstorm (another good game). At the moment the quality of 360 releases is truly fantastic. Until Forza2 came out a couple of months ago I was seriously disappointed with my 360 but since then there is nothing but good news, Forza 2 is so good that I no longer have much interest in GT5, if you only ever play Sony’s GT series games then trust me you are missing out on a genuine alternative, Bio-shock is a total gaming experience of a magnitude comparable to Half-Life and Halo3 although not as relevant as Halo1 on it’s release still remains a hundred times more diverting then any of the PS3's currant or upcoming releases. What’s coming next, Mass Effect, say no more.

    I guess the biggest indictment speaking for myself is that two weeks ago I packed my PS3 back in to its box where it now sits under the dinning room table. I have 1080p Plasma and to be honest with you I got something of "the Emperors new cloths" experience with Blue-ray, it honestly doesn’t look revolutionary next to a good DVD player. I was going to put my PS3 on eBay, last week they were going for about £340, after this announcement I think I will probable just keep it boxed up as I don’t fancy loosing that amount of cash on something I have hardly used. Maybe ill wrap it back up and give it to myself for Christmas.

  • Moz #223 4 years ago

    @jetsetdemo I would strongly recomend Warhawk for something to do with the PS3.

    Though I must admit that I'm mainly playing 360 at the moment myself. Though R&C, LBP, Time Crisis 4 and Haze are pretty high on my wish list.

    I must say that the gamer point system is also paying off for MS as I have Sega rally and skate for 360 purply because i'll get gamer points for them, same applies to my Guitar Heros order.

  • Kenshin001 #224 4 years ago

    Yeah, Warhawk is pretty awesome, especially when you get on a good team. 32 player online madness, planes, tanks, jeeps, infantry. Get it!

  • Moz #225 4 years ago

    "PS3 still sucks and will fail, do not buy."

    Now what is the point in a comment like that? You've offered zero intelligence to the discussion

  • jetsetdemo #226 4 years ago

    Moz
    Yes I agree the game point system is some what addictive, and Guitar Hero 2 is amazing, both me and my children love it although I think ill stick to my real Les Paul as my 8 year old daughter can beat me hands down on the 360

  • MilkYMoO #227 4 years ago

    Still no games worth buying. Its needs games to tempt me. I dont want another machine sitting beside my wii just gathering dust because theres nothing to play on it.

  • sonnejim #228 4 years ago

    its funny that the US and Japan both get full spec PS3's for about the same price us Euro (UK) residents get a cut down version, yet some people still think its a good deal?
    give me a full spec one for £299.99 and some GAMES to play and i might jump on board again. PS1, PS2 & PSP.....(paste PS3 here).....

  • Moz #229 4 years ago

    "its funny that the US and Japan both get full spec PS3's for about the same price us Euro (UK) residents get a cut down version, yet some people still think its a good deal?
    give me a full spec one for £299.99 and some GAMES to play and i might jump on board again. PS1, PS2 & PSP.....(paste PS3 here)....."

    That's surely a completely different argument. The last time I worked it out the Euro markup on the 360 was percentage wise the same as the PS3.

  • orakio #230 4 years ago

    I haven't got a PS2. I was a dreamcast owner back in the day, and only enjoy PC games, combined with some Wii and DS action.

    If Sony would have left BC in this model, I just might have bought myself one in a few months as I've missed countless of great PS2 games.

    However, as it stands, the X360 is definitly the more attractive console for the european market. If I get a new TV and decide to harvest a new console along with it: It will be a 360.

  • quantumsheep #231 4 years ago

    @rubbermat

    Do you live/work in the UK *and* germany?

    Is that why you've got two 360s? And is that why you're getting *another* PS3?

    Just curious! I think your post would make more sense to me if the above were true!

    Anyway, £350 with two games is about where I'm ready to make a leap of faith and get one to sit under the telly.

    Probably at the end of the month if not sooner!

    Won't get a second pad though, will borrow one from work till the DS3 is released.

    About bloody time, sony! ;)

  • tonynibbles #232 4 years ago

    The PS3 in short time (10 months is a short time?) gave you 3 good games while the first 10 months of X360 gave me Condemned, Kameo, PGR3, COD2, Dead or Alive 4, FN3, GRAW, Burnout Revenge, Oblivion and Dead Rising....pwned!

    Upcoming games are Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden 2, Cry On, Left 4 Dead, Halo Wars, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Marvel Universe Online, GOW2 etc. Xbox360's lineup is comparable to anything Sony can put out.

    Thats's a bit silly. I mean - most of those 'upcoming games' are on PC first anyway - or at least developed on PC and ported to 360.

    In the first 10 months of PS3, the console will have given: RFoM, MotorStorm, WarHawk, CoD3, Guitar Hero 3, Rock Band, Ridge Racer 7, The Orange Box, Oblivion, GRAW2, Virtua Fighter 5, Loco Roco, Home open beta, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas, GTHD, DiRT, The Darkness, Clive Barkers Jericho, Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection, Sega Rally Revo, Super StarDust HD, fl0w, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, SingStar, Eye of Judgement, Unreal Tournament III, WipeOut HD...

    I know one things for sure - the PS3 showed alot more promise *at launch* with games like MotorStorm than the 360 did when it launched with, er, King Kong demoing in every store across the country...

    I think after ten months of release the PS3 stands up well to the list of games 360 had 10 months after launch. The days of moaning about lack of games on PS3 are really outnumbered. After Christmas it just won't be a valid argument at all...

  • Daytripper1980 #233 4 years ago

    Vice.Destroyer you speak much sense sir. Now can you all get on with enjoying gaming rather than squabble about it?

  • DjFlex52 #234 4 years ago

    Upcoming games are Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden 2, Cry On, Left 4 Dead, Halo Wars, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Too Human, Marvel Universe Online, GOW2 etc. Xbox360's lineup is comparable to anything Sony can put out.

    Thats's a bit silly. I mean - most of those 'upcoming games' are on PC first anyway - or at least developed on PC and ported to 360.

    You're talking rubbish.
    None of those games are PC first games.
    Also NONE will be ported to 360 from the PC. It's the other way around.
    For instance, Bioshock which was developed to be a more console friendly FPS than a normal PC FPS game.

    BTW, it's 10 months right now for the PS3 and 90% of your game list for the PS3 isn't out yet. And I know the standard PS3 fanboy answer...."wait, they'll come out soon".

  • Twincoil #235 4 years ago

    Hang on. For only £50 more than an Elite, you get wireless, more USB ports, internet access, flash card readers, free online, two games and bluray playback and you pricks are still moaning?!

    OK, if you've already got a 360 (as about 12 million of you have) then a PS3 isn't really worth it, but if you've yet to move to a next-gen console, what's the big deal?

    There are over 100 million PS2 owners out there. That's a hell of a lot of people who still need to upgrade over the next few years.

    I wouldn't be quite so smug if I were you guys. Then again, I find all this badge loyalty bullshit a pathetic exercise anyway.
    Edited by 3 at 06/10/07 @ 19:38

  • old_skool #236 4 years ago

    Good thing i have a ninja pc to play those 360/multi-format titles. Now please stop disuading people buying a ps3, it's pathetic

  • groovybitz #237 4 years ago

    I thought that the EU PS3 already lacked the emotion chip and all the backward compatibility stuff was powered by emulation software?

    I've been keeping my PS2 out under this belief! You telling me I can use my 60gig machine without any headaches afteral!?!?!!?!?!??

  • fightman #238 4 years ago

    lol a big fuck you from sony to all you saps that have paid 425 recently

    merry christmas fuckers
    Edited by 1 at 06/10/07 @ 22:01

  • Retroid #239 4 years ago

    Of course a price cut is good.

    But £300 is *not* a good price, especially for your cheapest model. As I've already said, that's still more expensive than the 360 was at launch, let alone a year after (worldwide) release.

    BC is important to me. I still have PS1 games I play on my PS2 and the space consoles take up is important to a lot of people. Or their other halves, I should say.

    Still needs work.

    Oh, and:

    ""NEVER underestimate Sony's ability to destroy a new media format:
    Betamax.
    Minidisc.
    UMD.
    Blu-Ray....."

    And CDs. Let's not forget CDs."

    Yes, CDs: created primarily by Philips, not Sony.

  • tonynibbles #240 4 years ago

    @DjFlex52
    You're talking rubbish.
    None of those games are PC first games.
    Also NONE will be ported to 360 from the PC. It's the other way around.
    For instance, Bioshock which was developed to be a more console friendly FPS than a normal PC FPS game.

    BTW, it's 10 months right now for the PS3 and 90% of your game list for the PS3 isn't out yet. And I know the standard PS3 fanboy answer...."wait, they'll come out soon".

    Whatever. PC / XBox - Is there that much of a difference? Certainly not when it comes to development, which is why most of the games are out on PC as well as the 360. Microsoft would be dumb not to do that anyway - I mean, they stand to make money from the PC market. This is why it's so hard to come up with a list of AA 360 games that are truly exclusive only to that console.

    PS3 came was released on March 23rd 2007. I'll let you do the counting on your fingers about how many months it's been out... Or maybe I shouldn't. "90% of that list isn't out yet?" Well, I listed 31 games all due out in the first 10 months (granted, UTIII and RockBand may get delayed in Europe). 18 of those games are already out. That's 58% of the list. All the others are due out pre-Christmas which puts them in the 10 month bracket you were on about. So no, it's not 90% is it. No, it's 42%.
    Stop whinging. The PS3 has the best pre christmas line up of all the consoles. Get over it and go back to playing Halo 3. Enjoy it!

    @Retroid
    Yes, CDs: created primarily by Philips, not Sony.

    Actually, it was Sony and Phillips
    Edited by 1 at 06/10/07 @ 23:57

  • Lov3 #241 4 years ago

    I would say 350 for the console and two games is a more reasonable price. Still, I will probably go to Japan some time between now and when I can afford this baby, and they cost £200 for the basic unit over there. Yes really. It also has hardware backwards compatability, although that is useless to me because all my games are Pal.

    Fuck this B/C mess.

  • Lov3 #242 4 years ago

    Edited out this comment, because it was frivolous.
    Edited by 2 at 06/10/07 @ 23:56

  • Retroid #243 4 years ago

    The euro delay shouldn't really be counted.

    And Tonynibbles: I did say **********PRIMARILY**********

  • quantumsheep #244 4 years ago

    @rubber_matt

    No worries mate - that certainly clears things up for me!

    Personally, I'm already looking forward to getting my new piece of kit sometime this month. So much so, I'm already hunting down cheap HDMI leads on ebay ;)

  • foamy #245 4 years ago

    I don't have neither PSX nor PS2, and buying a PS3 would include buying games like MGS3, God of War and several other successful franchises of sony. I know I'm still gonna buy a PS3 someday, but knowing it won't be now makes me realize that when I do buy one, there won't be the B/C ones for sale. Which is a pitty :/ All-in-one = best

  • fightman #246 4 years ago

    enjoy the price cut you motherfuckers

  • Les #247 4 years ago

    For once it pays to be an early adopter...

    But for the rest, what a bunch of freaking idiots. People don't care for HD gaming, a cheaper and crippled PS3 will not help whatsoever.

  • Twincoil #248 4 years ago

    Why should anyone get vitriolic about an electronics consumer produt? Sounds like sour grapes to me.

  • tiddles #249 4 years ago

    They mostly come out at night. Mostly.

  • Twincoil #250 4 years ago

    "People don't care for HD gaming"

    Clearly, sir, you are fool with little to no appreciation of current market trends.

  • drumbaby #251 4 years ago

    "@drumbaby - I am already on the PS3 bandwagon. It is boring lonely and devoid of decent games at the mo. How do I get off?"

    I don't know what to say. I'm just about to finish off Heavenly Sword (which I've really enjoyed), I play Warhawk and Resistance online, love Flow to mong to, and play Tekken 5 loads. My Blu Ray films look wicked on my Sammy 42" plasma, and I'm really looking forward to Folklore in under a week. Then there's Uncharted and the Ratchet (demo next week) to look forward to. I'm pretty happy. Far happier than when I got my PS2 in the early days. Talking of which, as an early adoptor, Monster Hunter gets played nicely upscaled quite a bit too.

    Just sell it m8. Even taking a big loss on the hardware would have to outweigh your obvious agony of owning a PS3 that (imho) has many cool games just around the corner. Then you can buy a Wii or 360 (or games for them) and be in gaming/ DVD/ HD DVD heaven, right?

  • sonnejim #252 4 years ago

    did anyone notice on the PS3 web site that once the 60gb version is exhausted thats it..... One SKU only to be on sale, cutdown version for every one, Brilliant??????

    http://uk .playstation.com/ps3/news/artic...

  • drumbaby #253 4 years ago

    That's it? Really? Like there was no 40gb -- er, until it was announced?

    Oh dear...terrible. :(

  • NotSoSlim #254 4 years ago

    Sony will release a bigger hard drive model next year. Plus they can still put BC in the 40gb if wanted.

    UK will either get an 80gb or 160gb PS3 next year when digital downloads come in.

    If people really think they are gonna leave it as 40gb only they are deluded. Its an entry level PS3 that price can be managed against the 360s price.

    THINK ABOUT IT
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/07 @ 10:31

  • Moz #255 4 years ago

    "Once stocks are exhausted the new 40GB model will be the only one available in the SCEE territories."

    ... for about a month then they will release a 80GB model.

    Having said that other then BC the cut downs really aren't going to effect 99% of users. And as far BC is concered maybe they've found out from talking to PS2 owners that they have no intention of upgrading until they've finished with their PS2 games anyway.

    Though I must say thay I still don't see how removing what they have is saving them anything worth while. Some PS2 chipping and a couple of USB control chips (2 usb ports per control chip, and assuming the card read has a dedicated usb control chip)

    As for lack of memory card readers would be my guess that most people with camara's ect just connect via usb instead of taking memorycards in and out all the time.

  • DjFlex52 #256 4 years ago

    PS3 came was released on March 23rd 2007. I'll let you do the counting on your fingers about how many months it's been out... Or maybe I shouldn't. "90% of that list isn't out yet?" Well, I listed 31 games all due out in the first 10 months (granted, UTIII and RockBand may get delayed in Europe). 18 of those games are already out. That's 58% of the list. All the others are due out pre-Christmas which puts them in the 10 month bracket you were on about. So no, it's not 90% is it. No, it's 42%.
    Stop whinging. The PS3 has the best pre christmas line up of all the consoles. Get over it and go back to playing Halo 3. Enjoy it!

    @tonynibbles

    Wrong...the PS3 came out in November 2006. Just because Europe got shafted by Sony doesn't mean that 1 million gamers with PS3s during Christmas '06 don't count.
    You're the one whining since you're trying to defend your mistake of buying a PS3 with a dearth of quality games.
    BTW, I'm not playing Halo 3. I'm playing Flatout, PGR4, Stranglehold, Eternal Sonata, Madden 2008 and Bioshock...and you're still playing Motorstorm and RFOM, right? Sorry about that ;)

    Hey, the PS3 wishes they had a better Xmas lineup than the Wii. PS3's Xmas lineup is not even in 360's league yet.

  • drumbaby #257 4 years ago

    But DJ, you're happily playing all those games, and there's PS3 gamers happily playing Virtua Tennis, Oblivion, Dirt, Ridge Racer, Virtua Fighter, bla bla...

    Since when have RFOM and Motorstorm been the only games available for the PS3, except when making glib anti-PS3 lists on a forum? I own RFOM, sure....but there's other stuff I own, both on Blu-Ray and PSN...and I'm surely not the only person playing it.

    Did I just take yer bate, mait?

  • joncowcare #258 4 years ago

    Dropping by nearly £70 ?
    They must have anticipated this would happen, why could'nt they have put in a refund or games voucher for those who paid the £425 price ?!
    I feel like I've been shafted.
    Correction, I have been !!!

  • DjFlex52 #259 4 years ago

    Did I just take yer bate, mait?

    @drumbaby

    The bait was laid for "tony the nibbler" who acts like the PS3 is god's gift to the world. Every once in a while a Sony fanboy's arrogance gets to me and I lose my patience. The difference between him and I is that when I feel the PS3 has games I want to play and the price is right then I will buy one. He'll never buy a 360 and puts it down incessantly out of some perverse console loyalty.

    Nah, since you didn't reply with rrod "ace in the hole" card you're clear, drumbaby :)

  • Number1Laing #260 4 years ago

    I feel sorry for my European friends on this one, I really do. We got the software BC here just now so I can't help but think they will try this before long here. For years Sony has talked about how vital BC is and how it means buying a Sony platform gives gamers access to the entire PS brand (and how lame the 360 was for not having true BC). But now they are just throwing that out to save a few bucks (they are saying a LOT more than 50 pounds on this 40gb pack, no doubt about it). It's really, really awful. When companies start betraying their core values to save a buck, and with the way they have talked about it since 1999 or 2000, I'd say BC *is* a core part of the PlayStation experience, that's when you know things are going downhill.

    drumbaby: all those games are out on 360, too, except VF, which is coming with online play. :)
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/07 @ 18:22

  • spookyzombie #261 4 years ago

    @ DjFlex52

    How come you're playing PGR4 already then??

  • Retroid #262 4 years ago

    @NotSoSlim: "Plus they can still put BC in the 40gb if wanted."

    How?

    It relied on hardware, which I've now heard a few tech people say has little chance of being emulated on PS3 because the PS2 GPU has higher-bandwidth components than the PS3 can manage. At least in a conventional way.

  • NotSoSlim #263 4 years ago

    @Retroid

    I am just going by what i have read as are you.

    Sorry i cant be more specific.

  • Les #264 4 years ago

    "Clearly, sir, you are fool with little to no appreciation of current market trends."

    You mean the current market trend in which the Wii kicks the PS3 and 360's but?! If you're referring to the fact that HD TVs sell well currently, please remember that the only reason for that is that women prefer 'flat' TVs. Has absolutely nothing to do with the HD.

  • napalm68 #265 4 years ago

    I wish they'd start bundling with BluRay discs rather than crappy first gen games. They'd improve sales...

  • fightman #266 4 years ago

    all the cunts that have recently paid 425 for the ps3 - fuck you! lol

    that is all

    Edited by 1 at 07/10/07 @ 22:58

  • Penguinzoot #267 4 years ago

    " ... please remember that the only reason for that is that women prefer 'flat' TVs. Has absolutely nothing to do with the HD."

    glol. Wouldn't be at all surprised if it was true though ;-)
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/07 @ 22:59

  • fightman #268 4 years ago

    hate your guts slut....'kirrr'...hate your fucking guts.

    rrrrrhate u......rrrrrhate u.

    if you dont like it, call the fucking police - i'll tell them about that note you put on my fucking car. call them, let's sort this out

    now go lick out your lesbian bitch and carry on pretending to be straight you ugly whore

  • mrbandersnatch #269 4 years ago

    "I wish they'd start bundling with BluRay discs rather than crappy first gen games. They'd improve sales..."

    Disks....so last gen ;)
    Edited by 1 at 07/10/07 @ 23:37

  • Vice.Destroyer #270 4 years ago

    @ fightman.


    Words fail me. Like, totally. This thread is supposed to be about your opinion on the new PS3 SKU. At a push, you can do what everyone else has been doing and just display your brand loyalty and either slag off Microsoft or Sony. For no reason at all.

    But your post takes the biscuit for being the most offensive piece of nonsense ever on Eurogamer. Even worse than the Blue Dragon review. That is all. You can now flame me.

  • Caimbeul #271 4 years ago

    thats a raw deal with BC. Especially considering its mainly software on uk machines anyway.

  • Twincoil #272 4 years ago

    "all the cunts that have recently paid 425 for the ps3 - fuck you! lol "

    Seriously, why do you care so much what other people spend their disposable income on? Any early adopters of any piece of technology are fully aware of the fact that, in the not too distant future, their product will devalue. 6 months, a year, more, what's the difference? It's only money FFS.

    Get laid dude, really.

  • DjFlex52 #273 4 years ago

    @ DjFlex52
    How come you're playing PGR4 already then??

    @spookyzombie

    It's already out in the US :)

  • PEANUTXXI #274 4 years ago

    Got one on release and sold it 1 month later as it was simply not used. Got Motostorm and Resistance with it and wasn't overly impressed.

    Motostorm felt flat and was just a simple racing game on dirt. Six-Axis control on the game was pointless.

    Resistance just felt lifeless. I think this was the lack of rumble more than anything but it felt like you were playing a 2D shooter on a PC. Just no fun.

    Blue Ray - Well, I had HDDVD anyway so that was no big gain and I get just as good a picture on my HD TV through VGA as I do through HDMi.

    I'm not a "fanboy" of either side - I just want to play the best games out there regardless of console and that's what these consoles are about - games. Both have multimedia services and a HD format and big HD's (and I don't buy the arguement on HD size - I have a 20GB HD on my xbox and that's fine. If I start running out of space, I'll delete a demo. What's so hard about that? I have 320GB external HD that I file dump too).

    Price drop is a very good indication - but for me to get one of these again will take a lot of persuading and the only way to do that is with good games. And I can't stand Rachet & bloody Clank so please don't harp on about that.

    Just one more point - does the PS3 have a headset for online gameplay at all (serious questions)? I looked for one when I had the console but couldn't find one anywhere. Just seems mad to me that people are saying R:FoM is better online than any 360 title when you can't talk to your team?