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  • Dougs 22 Jul 2013 12:23:53 68,039 posts
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    Nice! A UK-wide version would be excellent.
  • Psychotext 22 Jul 2013 12:27:19 54,301 posts
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    You'd need to put it in the centre of England though realistically and there's fuck all in the way of decent hills there.

    Looking more through the site and noticed their "flagship" rental bikes. Some crazy bits of kit there.
  • andytheadequate 22 Jul 2013 12:27:49 8,219 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Wooh, the Bike Park Wales site is up: http://www.bikeparkwales.com/

    Holy shit at all the trails: http://www.bikeparkwales.com/trails

    Soon my precious, soon.
    That looks pretty good, just a shame it would be a bit of a trek for me. I'm considering doing a tour of the trail centres at some point, although I'd probably go to the Lake District/ North West for this.

    Anyone have any tips for what to check/ ask for when buying a used bike?

    Edited by andytheadequate at 12:29:09 22-07-2013
  • Psychotext 22 Jul 2013 12:33:38 54,301 posts
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    A couple of times a year I just book into a B&B near a trail centre for a long weekend. Makes for a great little break and means I've tried more trails than most ever will (I also travel anywhere up to a couple of hours each weekend to sample new natural trails).

    As for a used bike: http://www.cyclorama.net/viewArticle.php?id=342 / http://zenmtnbiking.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/what-to-look-for-when-buying-used-bike.html
  • andytheadequate 25 Jul 2013 17:06:06 8,219 posts
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    I know bike technology can advance fairly quickly. How good would a used (but good condition) 3k full suspension bike from 2008 be compared to a new 1k fs bike today? I know it will depend on the exact bikes, but would just like a rough guideline...
  • elstoof 25 Jul 2013 17:42:28 7,504 posts
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    I'd probably prefer the used one, it was 3 grand good back then, things don't change that much so it'll still be good now. If anything it'll be worth more in today's money. I bought a full Tiagra bike 4 years ago for 700 quid, the equivalent now would be 900.
  • andytheadequate 25 Jul 2013 19:53:02 8,219 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    I'd probably prefer the used one, it was 3 grand good back then, things don't change that much so it'll still be good now. If anything it'll be worth more in today's money. I bought a full Tiagra bike 4 years ago for 700 quid, the equivalent now would be 900.
    Is that the same for full suspension mountain bikes? I'm worried the rear suspension will need some maintenance...
  • Trafford 25 Jul 2013 20:21:42 5,807 posts
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    You've just got to factor that cost in. If you want full suss its never cheap.

    Edited by Trafford at 20:39:12 25-07-2013
  • elstoof 25 Jul 2013 21:10:59 7,504 posts
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    I figure that any bike I spend upwards on 3 grand on is one I intend to ride for more than four years.

    Get a few quotes for suspension service charges and see how it goes. It's in good nick though?
  • andytheadequate 25 Jul 2013 21:47:18 8,219 posts
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    It seems to be on excellent condition, but haven't seen it myself it. It's fairly close to me so can go see it. So it will still be a better bike than a new 1k one?
  • localnotail 25 Jul 2013 22:01:13 23,093 posts
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    I got to ride my bike again today after over a year's absence from the saddle. It was only for a short while, 15-20 mins either way, but it was wonderful, such freedom. Cycling is so much better than walking, and I made better time than I would've in the car as it was rush hour. Bikes rule.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • Psychotext 25 Jul 2013 23:21:17 54,301 posts
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    I'd go a different way on the used bike. In my experience 1.5k (I appreciate that's slightly higher) FS bikes are easily as good as 3k FS bikes from 5 years ago. It's not that tech has moved on significantly (it has, in many areas), it's more that competition has made prices very, very keen in that segment of the market.

    What is it? Maybe it's one of the class leaders from back then. If so, and if you know that it was hardly ridden and kept in good condition it's probably worth it, but I'd be paying close attention to any flex or movement where there shouldn't be any. You don't really want to be replacing headsets and bottom brackets if you can avoid it.

    With regard to new models, if I absolutely couldn't go above a grand I'd go out and buy a Boardman Team FS.

    Edit - Or maybe not, as it doesn't seem to be for sale any more. Odd.

    Edited by Psychotext at 23:30:27 25-07-2013
  • Bremenacht 26 Jul 2013 00:20:00 18,458 posts
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    Another wee factor is that if you buy a new, expensive bike, you'll be shit scared of having it nicked, and you'll fuss over scratches and stuff. 2nd hand and cheaper, you'll be less bothered.

    Factoring in a few hundred quid for repairs and replacements is sensible.

    I spent months watching eBay as stuff came and went, learning what was good and what was not etc and asking bikers what to look for, before actually buying something.

    @andytheadequate see if you can get a little test ride. If you like it and it feels right.. well, it helps!

    Edited by Bremenacht at 00:20:58 26-07-2013
  • andytheadequate 26 Jul 2013 00:25:07 8,219 posts
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    My local halfords has a team fs, and it is on my short list. There's also a Saracen Ariel 141 on sale at Evans for 1250 that looks decent
  • Trafford 26 Jul 2013 08:19:13 5,807 posts
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    Just to give a shout out for my ex wife who auction sniped two 16" Trek rigid mountain bikes for my lads for under 100 for the pair.
    Just in time for the summer holidays.

    There's a new MTB skills park that's opened up near the velodrome as well.
  • andytheadequate 26 Jul 2013 09:02:30 8,219 posts
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    Trafford wrote:
    Just to give a shout out for my ex wife who auction sniped two 16" Trek rigid mountain bikes for my lads for under 100 for the pair.
    Just in time for the summer holidays.

    There's a new MTB skills park that's opened up near the velodrome as well.
    Is that in Manchester? Might have a google of it...

    @Brem- cheers for the advice. I'm in no rush so can be patient. It's not the money as such, as the second hand one isn't much less than the new ones I was looking at. And mountain bikes look better with a few scratches, don't want to be seen as having all the gear but no idea...:)

    @psychotext- it's a Scott genius 30 2008 model (carbon fibre frame). Could probably get it for around 900 I reckon

    Edited by andytheadequate at 09:18:57 26-07-2013

    Edited by andytheadequate at 09:20:07 26-07-2013
  • Trafford 26 Jul 2013 09:28:56 5,807 posts
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    @Andy. Yeah it's just off the Mancunian way, near middle Eastlands. Not sure if it's worth crossing the Pennines for.

    What is good though is Lee Quarry near Rossendale. Quite different from the usual trail centre.
  • Trafford 26 Jul 2013 09:33:12 5,807 posts
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    I wouldn't trust a carbon framed mtb.

    Edited by Trafford at 09:39:45 26-07-2013
  • elstoof 26 Jul 2013 09:40:09 7,504 posts
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    http://pinkbike.com/news/santa-cruz-bicycles-test-lab.html
  • Psychotext 26 Jul 2013 10:06:30 54,301 posts
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    Carbon framed MTBs are just fine, but I would have a pro check the frame over because it's very, very easy for there to be a problem that you can't easily detect.
  • Trafford 26 Jul 2013 10:40:11 5,807 posts
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    New Surly monster cross bike out for 2014.
    The Straggler.
    http://www.dirtragmag.com/userfiles/surly2014-11.jpg

    Want!
  • Psychotext 26 Jul 2013 11:05:06 54,301 posts
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    I like the "dirty as fuck" press shot.
  • andytheadequate 26 Jul 2013 12:02:56 8,219 posts
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    So carbon frames are fine (as long as you buy a decent one), but be careful of unseen damage to them? Has carbon frame technology advanced much in the last 5 years?
  • Psychotext 26 Jul 2013 12:11:10 54,301 posts
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    The processes are much the same, but advances have mostly been about using less weight to achieve the same strength.

    That video is interesting for a particular reason too. Carbon is extremely strong in certain directions, but very, very weak in others. Put a torsional force through certain parts of the frame and it'll shear with a fraction of the force they had going directly through the frame in the video.
  • andytheadequate 26 Jul 2013 14:06:04 8,219 posts
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    Thanks for the thoughts, chaps, will have a think about it in a bit more detail.

    Anyone have any thoughts on the following?

    Boardman Team FS - 1k new. I imagine a new model will be coming out soon.
    Giant Trance X3 2013 - 1200 new
    Saracen Ariel 141 2013 - 1250 at Evans, but is half price at the moment. Can't find many reviews for it but the ones there have been have liked it.

    I'm also tempted to wait a few months and see if there are any decent end of year sales on.
  • Trafford 26 Jul 2013 14:30:10 5,807 posts
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    My mate had a crash on a carbon road bike, the frame was deemed a write off.

    Don't see how that sort of material would suit the rough and tumble of amateur mtb.
    Think its there more for XC racing types.

    Maybe it's just me who's always falling off :)
  • andytheadequate 26 Jul 2013 14:35:25 8,219 posts
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    Trafford wrote:
    My mate had a crash on a carbon road bike, the frame was deemed a write off.

    Don't see how that sort of material would suit the rough and tumble of amateur mtb.
    Think its there more for XC racing types.

    Maybe it's just me who's always falling off :)
    I don't fall off too much, but if you never fall off then you're not riding hard enough! I think I'm favouring the new Ariel 141 at the moment over the second hand Scott Genius 30.

    Cheers for the recommendation on Lee Quarry btw, think I will take a look at it. Any other decent areas in Lancashire/ the Pennines?? I've been to Gisburn before but that's it.
  • Trafford 26 Jul 2013 14:53:47 5,807 posts
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    You could check out sections of the Pennine Bridleway. Now running as far north as Kirby Stephen.
    There's a couple of optional loops on it, The Mary Towneley loop is a 47 mile epic, serious all day challenge but well worth training up for, you could get on it at Hebden Bridge.
    The other goes from Settle and takes in Malham Cove, about 25 miles.
    The whole thing is well signposted.
  • Trafford 26 Jul 2013 14:59:02 5,807 posts
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    Nice blog post about the MTL

    http://www.idonohoe.com/mountian_bike9.htm
  • Psychotext 26 Jul 2013 15:05:32 54,301 posts
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    andytheadequate wrote:
    Anyone have any thoughts on the following?
    Have a look on Bikeradar, MBR and MBTR for reviews. I know BikeRadar really rate the Boardman (it's still listed as their number one choice for entry level trail full suss in the mag).

    Could also ask in the appropriate category at one of these:
    http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/index.php?c=3
    http://www.mbr.co.uk/forums/
    http://forums.mtbr.com/forum.php


    Trafford wrote:
    Nice blog post about the MTL

    http://www.idonohoe.com/mountian_bike9.htm
    Might try that one day. Looks like an epic day out.

    Edited by Psychotext at 15:08:45 26-07-2013
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