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  • MikeP 21 Jan 2013 14:30:10 1,674 posts
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    Fab4 wrote:
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    Fab4 wrote:
    I have Shimano BR-M422 brake arms on my bike, which supposedly take Shimano s65t pads. I've just checked the price of these pads, and I'd nearly be as well getting a new set of arms with what they are charging. Is there any cheaper alternatives I could use, in terms of the pads? Amazon has cheap V Brake pads, are they interchangeable?
    Yep, they are normally are. How much do they want for official Shimano ones?
    A couple of quid less than the arm sets. I have found a site that will do them (the official ones) for 7euros though. Which isnt too bad.
    Yeah, that's a decent price.
  • pistol 21 Jan 2013 15:22:49 13,019 posts
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    DaM wrote:
    And while he's probably right that everyone was doing it, he's spent the last 12 years or so denying it very loudly at every opportunity, and destroying people who dared to suggest it. I think the Sunday Times are looking for their money back that they lost in court to him too.
    Everyone doing it isn't the same as a level playing field though. Without even getting into the science behind how EPO works, if you have more funds than anyone else to secure the services of the best doctor (ferrari) and the power to lean on the authorities, not only to protect your own drug tests but to influence the UCI to put pressure on other riders, then what chance have the competition got?

    Other riders such as Basso, Ulrich, Contador etc never had that sort of power.
  • pistol 21 Jan 2013 15:26:58 13,019 posts
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    Was the "I wasn't cheating, I was leveling the playing field" a snidey way of implicating many others?
    Plus the "it's impossible to win the tour without doping". Sure Wiggo will have something to say about that....
    Someone posted a link to a list of TdF winners from the past 20 or 30 years. You'd be surprised how many apparently didn't dope i.e. more than just Wiggo!
    EPO was only really heavily in the peleton after about 1988 or so, but before the early 90's most doctors were only just beginning to learn about it. So before EPO riders were doping, but nothing that would completely transform an average rider into a Tour winner. The 60's, 70's and 80's were drug fuelled but stuff like amphetamines, coke, speed etc. The occasional bit of blood doping but not much.

    EPO can improve a rider by up to 20% which is massive.
  • pistol 21 Jan 2013 15:29:33 13,019 posts
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    MikeP wrote:
    I've been really impressed with Trainerroad so far.

    I'm at the end of week 4 of my first training block, and the pacing and variety of the individual sessions is good. The missus has been giving it a go too, and she's just completed the whole of the intermediate base 1 plan. The FTP tests to help you scale the programs is a simple idea, but it's done very well.

    Now that I seem to have sorted my back, core and flexibility out I'm going to get myself a new weekend bike. The Roubaix's been good, but I want something lighter and a bit more punchy. I'm about to pull the trigger on a Canyon, I have a couple of friend who own them, and they've been very pleased with them.
    Canyon's are cracking bikes, especially considering how much you get for your money. Two of my mates have them, one a Di2 model. Bit like my Cube.

    Only issues can be that you can only get them direct from Canyon so getting size right can be tricky.
  • Psychotext 21 Jan 2013 15:29:49 52,772 posts
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    pistol wrote:
    Everyone doing it isn't the same as a level playing field though. Without even getting into the science behind how EPO works, if you have more funds than anyone else to secure the services of the best doctor (ferrari) and the power to lean on the authorities, not only to protect your own drug tests but to influence the UCI to put pressure on other riders, then what chance have the competition got?

    Other riders such as Basso, Ulrich, Contador etc never had that sort of power.
    I wish there was a car analogy I could use to explain that to people. No-one seems to get it.

    Maybe something like Red Bull having Adrian Newey... it's a bit specific. :D
  • pistol 21 Jan 2013 15:36:13 13,019 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    pistol wrote:
    Everyone doing it isn't the same as a level playing field though. Without even getting into the science behind how EPO works, if you have more funds than anyone else to secure the services of the best doctor (ferrari) and the power to lean on the authorities, not only to protect your own drug tests but to influence the UCI to put pressure on other riders, then what chance have the competition got?

    Other riders such as Basso, Ulrich, Contador etc never had that sort of power.
    I wish there was a car analogy I could use to explain that to people. No-one seems to get it.

    Maybe something like Red Bull having Adrian Newey... it's a bit specific. :D
    Case in point, when tyler hamilton fell out with Armstrong and joined the Phonak team, Hamilton receives a call from the UCI to say his blood values are a bit suspect and basically making him aware that they were watching him. No calls like that when he rode with Armstrong and Landis told Hamilton that Armstrong had grassed him to the UCI.

    That is definately not a level playing field...
  • elstoof 21 Jan 2013 15:36:14 6,138 posts
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    Like entering a McLaren F1 in the BTCC.
  • Psychotext 21 Jan 2013 16:25:45 52,772 posts
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    "It's like we both enter a go-kart race... and your dad tweaks yours, I have mine done by Lotus"
  • pistol 21 Jan 2013 17:06:55 13,019 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    "It's like we both enter a go-kart race... and your dad tweaks yours, I have mine done by Lotus"
    Pretty much...

    Armstrong marketing engine did a great job over the years of making out that he had these huge physiological advantages over his competition such as a crazy low heart rate at rest and getting rid of lactate acid quicker than others. Bullshit...

    He was a good rider yes, but before 1999 and the cancer comeback he was a one day classics rider, and was shite in the mountains and on the TT bike. He returns from cancer and not only blows everyone away in the mountains and TT, but rides the fastest tour in history. Prior to cancer he'd done 4 tours and the highest place he'd got was 34th.

    I'm convinced that the most gifted rider ever was Lemond. Merckx won more of course but he wasn't clean. Not EPO but certainly speed, amphetamines etc. Lemond just didn't have the mindset to go with his huge talent. Easily the best and most giften rider in the US. V02 much higher than Armstrongs and he was always winning stuff. Even before turning pro.

    Edited by pistol at 17:10:35 21-01-2013
  • Psychotext 21 Jan 2013 17:14:09 52,772 posts
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    I wonder if there's something in the fact that he was basically able to rebuild his body into essentially the perfect cycling build.

    I mean a competitive cyclist would never allow themselves three years off, lose most of their muscle / weight and then build themselves up again... with the assistance of basically every high tech drug, piece of equipment and training technique they could get their hands on.

    So as fucking horrible as the cancer was, recovering from it actually gave him some advantages.
  • MikeP 21 Jan 2013 17:41:55 1,674 posts
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    @pistol Yeah there is that to consider. They do 30 day return policy, and you can do stem swaps for a nominal fee, I think.

    Fortunately I've had a bike fit as part of my corrective routine, so I know the geo and setup I need. Also, Canyon's bike fit came up with the same answer, which was reassuring!
  • Psychotext 21 Jan 2013 21:26:06 52,772 posts
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    I just tried that fitting thing. Marks me as small for some bikes and medium for others. I guess I must be borderline.

    Odd though, I'm 5 foot 10 and that's usually pretty much smack bang in the middle of medium.
  • MikeP 21 Jan 2013 21:58:50 1,674 posts
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    Yeah, on some of the bikes the sizing is a bit odd; some of their road bikes have 53cm as a small, 56cm as a medium, and it was sizing me as a small on the MTBs.

    I do know that the 54cm bike is the right one for me, having checked all the geometry tables. Which is a good job as I've ordered it this evening. Eeeep!
  • pistol 21 Jan 2013 22:08:08 13,019 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    pistol wrote:
    Everyone doing it isn't the same as a level playing field though. Without even getting into the science behind how EPO works, if you have more funds than anyone else to secure the services of the best doctor (ferrari) and the power to lean on the authorities, not only to protect your own drug tests but to influence the UCI to put pressure on other riders, then what chance have the competition got?

    Other riders such as Basso, Ulrich, Contador etc never had that sort of power.
    I wish there was a car analogy I could use to explain that to people. No-one seems to get it.

    Maybe something like Red Bull having Adrian Newey... it's a bit specific. :D
    Unless you follow the sport closely you're not going to get it and I'll only try and explain it to people who are genuinely interested. Most people outside of the sport just assume everyone's on the same stuff and don't understand how the drugs work. Understandably though.

    Just mention the word hematocrit and most people just go "huh"?
  • pistol 21 Jan 2013 22:14:09 13,019 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    I wonder if there's something in the fact that he was basically able to rebuild his body into essentially the perfect cycling build.

    I mean a competitive cyclist would never allow themselves three years off, lose most of their muscle / weight and then build themselves up again... with the assistance of basically every high tech drug, piece of equipment and training technique they could get their hands on.

    So as fucking horrible as the cancer was, recovering from it actually gave him some advantages.
    That stuff about him coming back lighter with difference muscle density etc after cancer was absolute bollox. All he did was completely change his doping programme and spend more time concentrating on the tour reccing the stages more than other teams. He also got more money invested into US Postal and secured the services of Ferrari over other riders.
  • pistol 21 Jan 2013 22:20:15 13,019 posts
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    @MikeP

    Good stuff.

    Lovely bikes and you won't be disappointed.
  • faux_carnation 21 Jan 2013 22:55:44 8,480 posts
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    I'm taking my bike in for a service on Wednesday. I haven't ridden it for two months and it has a puncture. I feel like I should fix the puncture before I take it in, but I really can't be arsed. Does this make me a bad person?

    (It's a big 'ole town bike with hub brakes which make repairing a puncture a bitch.)
  • Psychotext 21 Jan 2013 23:41:25 52,772 posts
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    pistol wrote:
    That stuff about him coming back lighter with difference muscle density etc after cancer was absolute bollox.
    Fair enough, I was only really going by what I had read.

    It's obvious that having a couple of years on all the tastiest drugs (without worrying about tests etc) did him wonders.
  • elstoof 21 Jan 2013 23:59:48 6,138 posts
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    What would you do, I wonder, if you just recovered from various cancers or whatever, on the brink of death basically, and you were given then option of a few years as a domestique and classics specialist - or - nigh on 10 years of legendary status built on lies before it all comes tumbling down.
  • Psychotext 22 Jan 2013 00:16:05 52,772 posts
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    Do I have to be a cunt to people?
  • pistol 22 Jan 2013 11:14:13 13,019 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    pistol wrote:
    That stuff about him coming back lighter with difference muscle density etc after cancer was absolute bollox.
    Fair enough, I was only really going by what I had read.

    It's obvious that having a couple of years on all the tastiest drugs (without worrying about tests etc) did him wonders.
    That's the thing. What you've read is pretty much all from the Armstrong marketing engine at work. Even Lemond has come out and said that if Armstrong gave Landis or Hamilton the same drugs he was on, he'd struggle to keep up with them. Landis in particular was on par with Armstrong naturally, both in the mountains and on the TT bike. That was why him and armstrong fell out so much. Battle for leadership.
  • pistol 22 Jan 2013 11:15:04 13,019 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    What would you do, I wonder, if you just recovered from various cancers or whatever, on the brink of death basically, and you were given then option of a few years as a domestique and classics specialist - or - nigh on 10 years of legendary status built on lies before it all comes tumbling down.
    Pardon my French but WTF???
  • jellyhead 22 Jan 2013 11:20:52 24,350 posts
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    Black ice claimed me this morning :(

    Front-end washout and ended up almost in the traffic with a hole through my waterproofs, jeans and a scabby knee from the ice ridges i went down on and my left thumb is sore and achy.

    I'm at work like a brave little trooper though.

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  • pistol 22 Jan 2013 11:22:35 13,019 posts
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    jellyhead wrote:
    Black ice claimed me this morning :(

    Front-end washout and ended up almost in the traffic with a hole through my waterproofs, jeans and a scabby knee from the ice ridges i went down on and my left thumb is sore and achy.

    I'm at work like a brave little trooper though.
    Ouch!

    Black ice is my pet hate on the bike. Can ride in any weather apart from that.

    Take it easy on the way home..
  • jellyhead 22 Jan 2013 11:35:46 24,350 posts
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    Cheers, i'll be fine going home as the promised snow was actually rain so i doubt there'll be much ice around later. I should have rode in the traffic lane like yesterday but i thought i'd chance the cycle lane but the ice hadn't fully gone. Obviously.

    The bloke in the van behind me pulled over but i gave him a thumbs up and waved him on so he left but it cheered me to see random commuter willing to check i was ok. Cheers unknown van driver!

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  • Psychotext 22 Jan 2013 11:53:52 52,772 posts
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    Ice studs! An excuse to spend money.

    Had my asthma test earlier, inconclusive because I couldn't actually exercise (I'd have died an icy death). Now I have to take peak flow measurements over the course of two weeks. More hassle!
  • Salaman 22 Jan 2013 11:55:01 18,237 posts
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    Van driver you say? Maybe he was going to come give you a kick whilst you were down anyway but when he saw you were still in fighting shape thought better of it? :-)

    Safe ride home tonight.
  • jellyhead 22 Jan 2013 12:06:30 24,350 posts
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    Maybe he was going to bundle my bike into the van and have it on gumtree later? Damn him! I knew it was too good to be true.

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  • Psychotext 22 Jan 2013 12:10:41 52,772 posts
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    He must have been so disappointed to see you getting up.
  • Fab4 22 Jan 2013 12:19:59 5,690 posts
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    Last time I came off in snow/ice, it was braking at junction with a little speedbump on it. I was braking for a white van that was speeding up to the junction (Many Dutch junctions dont require you to stop, merely give way to the right.). The front wheel collapsed on the speedbump incline and I went tits up. The driver of the white van opened his door while crossing the junction and laughed at me....cunt.

    I bought spiked wheels soon after.

    Edited by Fab4 at 12:20:43 22-01-2013
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